I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know of a trick to get back into an Instagram account..? I somehow lost the account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me.
@Aries Justice I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@black heart - I've got a screenshot of every test dude. You can't pull these numbers before nda there would never be enough data fella. I think you have me confused with someone else x
@@OC3D thx for the infos man. do you think a msi x470 pro carbon would get same results? i mean the asus hero is a highend board but i dont need highend and really cant afford it.
Yes, I have never seen your videos but you are the first I have found answering the real questions! Subscribed! hey, anyone know of any DAW benchmarks done? DPC latency specifically!
Love your videos. Thanks for all the hard work. I can't imagine the time it took for all the testing. I've got a 3900x ordered! Won't be here until the 22nd, hopeful that it actually arrives by then. Almost impossible to find right now!
"turn things around"? lets see 1. zen architecture has developed without her presence iirc 2. intel stuck at 14nm-irrelevant to her 3. meltdown&spectre-same now what she did 1.gpu division fiasco 2.broken promises everywhere, amd presence in laptops and servers-as tiny as during bulldozer times. and this is with the totally competitive zen arch. 3. she still sells you 28nm cpus&gpus in laptops. highly overpriced most of the time. mobile 14 nm gpu-non existent, cancelled. 4. ryzen mobile presentation, 20x25,-full of lies. no 25+w mobile models for 1,5 years. yes, it is easy-set the frequencies higher on the same chip. 5. small things like: no "intel.arc" type of stuff after all these years. recent double announcement-its just dumb. 6. full of empty words we proud we prod we proud all the time .. shes the worst ceo possible and all of that with the eternal mona lisa smile. shes literally the only one person in industry who looks so weird. its a real shame that she, and not papermaster, hallock or norrod or whoever with a normal face is the face of amd.
@@williamblake7386 they shifted to a more aggressive stance against intel and nvidia, and are now competitive with both, in terms of gaming and workstations. Firing public shots across the bough, and reviving the brand image, that's what CEOS are for and she's done it brilliantly.
Loved, loved, loved your video. You have no idea how much you helped me out on weather to upgrade my X470 motherboard (that just happens to be the one you have there). I am now a new subscriber to your channel. Thank you for clearing so much up for me.
PLEASE follow up with a X370 (Crosshair VI) comparison too. Or x370 TaiChi. Both boards have solid vrm's and new bios updates. I'm curious to see pci-e gen4 drives performance. Possibly some B350 too? 😁🤘👍
I'll be swapping out my 1600X for a 3700X in my CHVI next weekend. If the 3700X will do 4.3 all cores on it I'll be satisfied. Hopefully I can squeeze a bit more out of my Trident Z B-Die as well.
They should test the Pci-E Gen 4 drives actual performence with true drive benchmark software first like crystal disk benchmark, ATTO or somthing similar so that we can see an accurate measure of performence, ie 4K, Sequential, QD32 etc... Also testing more than one Pci-E Gen 4 drive would be nice, to see if the results, (if proven), are the same across the board. Their tests were in no way accurate or conclusive.
I have the crosshair vii and you answered the 5 questions that I had about the board. Glad I found you. The UKs version of GamersNexus. Puzzled by only 212k subscribers. Love the positive vibe of the channel with genuine concern for our budgets. One thing I would change is the graphs, very hard to read.
only 212 k.....that's what you get when you say things clearly....because "the tiniest" is a "neither nor fanboy"....and that is what I love about this channel!
This is exactly the video I was looking for. I was a bit disappointed that the other "bigger" channels didn't make this comparison. Now I know I'll get a X470 with decent features for a decent price and without a ridiculous fan.
Awesome video. Exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks for going in depth on the x470/x570 platform differences without covering the same information as other reviews do over and over.
Great video here, thank you.... Im looking to upgrade my build due to some issues with ASUS Ai Suite, I am informed that windows version 1909 has broken AI Suite but have noticed that ASUS seem to be dragging their heels rather than fixing it, I can only describe the ASUS support and website user experience as Krypton Factor meets Crystal maze, I get the impression that Ai Suite is on its way out and Armoury Crate is the new kid on the block, however, neither softwares are able to keep my build running without issue. By the by, you saved me the cost of a new board today :) I will continue to run my HERO VII. Cheers !!
everyone gotta know that you CAN NOT update your bios for X470 by yourself without CPU that the motherboard supports already. So don't buy Ryzen 3000 with X470 because you cannot get it working in the most cases. please correct if i'm wrong
there are x470 boards that support usb bios flashback, a feature where you plug a usb stick with the firmware update in to a certain usb slot and boot the motherboard with no CPU/GPU/RAM and it updates - www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvfo57/list_of_b350_b450_x370_and_x470_motherboards_with/
Gigabyte makes their boards have Q-flash+ which is a function thats able to update the bios through a usb flash drive without a CPU, GPU, or RAM installed
I ended up getting a Hero 7 since they went on sale. Right now you can find some crazy deals on X470s since most stores are already trying to dump their inventory. I ended up buying the motherboard at Best Buy of all places since they marked it down to 220. Never thought I would ever buy a board there with how high their prices are normally, lol.
as a crosshair 7 hero owner this has made me very happy. Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown. Now my only decision left is how much longer to wait before I replace my 2700x with a 3700x:P
Thanks for sharing on what you have discovered using various combinations between the X470 and X570. Really appreciate the effort and time that you did in creating this video. A great pat on the back is well deserved to you.
Magnificent review Tom so glad I came here first, as I alwayyys dooooo! And when all this goes live I'm asleep and then have a busy day afterwards :( so get to see it late.
Thank you for this. I originally bought a X570 Taichi, but the fan noise (chipset) is to much for me to bare :( I just bought the X470 ASUS Hero and glad this will pair well (or the same) with my 3900x. Cheers!
As Crosshair VII owner, this is what I was waiting for! I also bought the first one thanks to your x470 review. I think that I've watched it at least 5 times and I've concluded that it will be an investment for the future. I was right, so thanks a lot for your reviews! :) Now, I just need to swap out 2700x with 3700x or 3900x :D
Actually the cutoff is 3600 on the ram per AMD as once it goes over that there is some sort of process that takes twice as long (9nm) longer was the number they through out. So use 3200 to 3600.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing. I personally got a X570 board because I won’t be upgrading for another 6-7 years so it has to last a long while, otherwise I would have snatched up an x450B and saved like $150.
Good luck crossing your fingers that your 570 fan doesn't break and fry your rig 3 or 4 years down the line without you realizing until it's too late =P.
Thanks for all the effort put into this video. That was definitely one of my main questions about the new products. How they perform between x470 & x570
I’m definitely ready to jump ship from Intel I’m on x99 rn been waiting for a good point to upgrade and I think nows the time. I can’t wait for 3900x to come back in stock! Super stoked to be able to join team red! Great video TTL!
Great video from u as usual. Really looking forward to your testing the 3700x and 3900x on x370. Really hoping there's no performance penalty with x370.
This 48-min vid has almost no b-rolls at all but managed to keep me watching all the way through..without pausing! Love your content and delivery man! 👌
Tom - why you can get the PCIe-Gen4 drive on your X470 board is because the chipset isn't even involved. The M.2 slot is direct to the CPU. Where you will have problems is if you try to run RAID. Because there is only 1x M.2 direct to CPU. The other(s) are from the chipset. If you want RAID at Gen4 speeds, or for some reason only want to plug the drive into the slot from the chipset, you need X570
Hey Logan i bought asus crosshair 8 seems like excellent motherboard but im really cautious with that little fan, is it loud? do you think it can cause troubles in the future of its lifespan?
@@aoucelloutus3573 He already said it's virtually the same range on both X470 and X570. Even more it's also known that till 3777 you get IF multiplier 1:1 vs RAM so there is no actual point of getting higher at least regarding latency, which was the culprit of previous gen Ryzen. So I have very good feeling B450 is gonna be just fine in that regard.
@@rohanyadav9378 Hi, I'm really not too sure at the moment. I won't be purchasing my components until about September. I'm going to let the dust settle until then. Check out as many reviews as you can and no doubt, there will be lost of upcoming tests done with motherboard comparisons in the coming weeks/months.
@@Yellowswift3 but I am also hearing some news that Bitcoin prices are going up , buy your pc ASAP , else the prices of components will go up. Is it somewhat true?
I suspect subsequent bios updates on X470 are going to disable PCIe 4 whether its to justify the existence of X570, or whether there are genuine technical reasons why running PCIe 4 on older boards isn't safe, i think may be conflated
Only went from a 990FXA-UD3 and FX-8320, to a ASUS Prime X470 Pro and a R7 2700X last August. So I'm in no rush to upgrade at the moment. I need to see how the 3900X works with the Prime X470 Pro--and even then, I probably won't upgrade for another year.
I actually came to this review last, I considered all the ones I watched first to be homework so I could understand what would be said in this video a lot easier, as this is far more comprehensive and just better then the others as you have covered all angles and platforms.
AMD didn't give any 3800X's to any reviewers. As far as I can tell no one has one. I wanted to buy one but they are out of stock everywhere. I ended up buying a 3700X, but those are out of stock now.
Thank you for doing this, it makes Very interesting viewing! I am in the process of doing a new build for the first time in Years, man did I pick the right time!
the only thing i want to know is, how do i update the BIOS of an X470 board so it recognizes the new CPUs without having an old CPU. i heard stories about that being possible via USB, but i've never seen it done. Somebody do some YT tutorials maybe?
It's either two ways you request a CPU from AMD to help you update your bios or either you get it from USB however this way only works on certain motherboards so your going have to see if your motherboard can possibly do that
So this may be a stupid question, but what if you have an x470 setup and your motherboard dies? You aren't quite ready to do the full upgrade to an X570 upgrade, so you decide to buy just the motherboard at the moment. Will an older processor work in these newer boards? If so, would they run any better? My apologies if this has been asked already.
Thanks a lot for the detailed review, just a few wishes: 1. Please keep the graphs on the screen for a bit longer, with such amount of entries it's hard to find all interesting data in such a short amount of time. 2. Could you please check the PCI-E 4.0 SSD on Intel b360, z370, z390 motherboards and with Ryzen 1xxx, 2xxx CPUs?
thank you very much. Your work is appreciated. I wonder if new bioses will be produced for the x470 mobos in order to make 3000 series better IN THE FUTURE or make them available only for x570
Wow, information overload. Going to have to read the article to sort it all out. Curios about the NVME drive. There was talk about PCIE 4 being supported on some previous generation MB's at least for the first graphics slot and presumably the close M2 slot., but AMD nixed the whole idea because not all vendors boards could handle it. So will you see these NVME speeds on all x470/b450 boards or will it be hit and miss?
Asus B450 and X470 boards received brand new bios updates yesterday, my B450 E Gaming got bios 2406 dated June 21st. Check your motherboard support page to see if your board got an update!
Great review, and, things may change shortly regarding PCIe 4 compatibility with the x470 boards. This is from Paul Lilly at PC Gamer (June 3rd, 2019): "When final BIOSes are released for 3rd Gen Ryzen (AGESA 1000+), Gen 4 will not be an option anymore. We wish we could've enabled this backwards, but the risk is too great," Hallock added. Previously, AMD left the decision in the hands of motherboard makers, and some chose to validate certain models for the faster spec. Gigabyte, for example, enabled PCIe 4.0 support on its X470 Aorus Gaming Wi-Fi 7 motherboard. Based on what Hallock posted, support will be reversed in a later BIOS update. AMD provided a slightly expanded statement to our friends at TomsHardware. "Users today may find a PCIe 4.0 option available in their pre-X570 motherboards. However, users should expect this option to be disabled when final retail BIOSes are released to implement full performance and stability for new 3rd Gen Ryzen processors," AMD said.
I bought the x470, had some issues with bios and posting that i eventually worked through. Issues I'm having are my temp sensors are causing hwmonitor to fail and aida64 says there are none. Also noticing some sluggishness during operation. Is that possibly the board or the bios.
Since you'll be a guy that would get this, I'm wondering if for PBO overclocks especially the TR4 waterblocks will perform much better than AM4 on these chips? Due to the chiplet/io die design I'd think that especially the original AM4 contact plates may actually be too small now. Would love to see you test that.
@OC3D TV, @TTL great reviews and testing as always -- do you know if, *IF* Asus will be bringing out: X570 | (X470 Micro-ATX) and Mini-ITX versions? Their YT & website Motherboard line up doesn't appear to include these as of yet: 30/072019 (Today), any insider info you could shed? thanks in advance :-) only X470-I GAMING is listed currently :-(
The single core Cinebench graph is strange, focusing on Ryzen 3700X with X570, how does it only have 1 point between overclocked and stock? Additionally, wasn't clear to me, so the Overclock frequency are with the 200 Mhz offset only?
The cinebench results were all over the place because half of the results, (according to the graph they used), were from Cinebench R15 and half were from R20, and he didn't even seem to realise.... how incompetent!!
Great video. Was looking for any x450 tests, got decent answers from with the vrm infro on this video. Hero got vrm 2x2 ir3555 with 5 ir3599 can handle the ryzen 9 and som oc. "Fixed idea of a matx build (need 1-2 pci) and save some on mb perhaps buy a ryzen 9." B450M Mortar (well any decent matx) RT8894A (4+2) X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi/ac) ASP1405I (5+2) Seems like a risky vrm play will wait for some more tests. Looks possible not gona oc anyway. and hero could handle that. Learning about vrms now, first build in 8 years ;O
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You're right, I watched Gamer's Nexus first. But I sincerely appreciate that you are comparing x470 to x570. You're the only one I've seen do that
I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know of a trick to get back into an Instagram account..?
I somehow lost the account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me.
@Kasen Ahmir instablaster =)
@Aries Justice I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Aries Justice It worked and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thank you so much, you saved my ass !
@Kasen Ahmir happy to help :)
Thanks for testing on x470 and x570
i came here to say this^
ok I have my coke lets go
@black heart - I've got a screenshot of every test dude. You can't pull these numbers before nda there would never be enough data fella. I think you have me confused with someone else x
yeah, finally someone did.
@@OC3D thx for the infos man. do you think a msi x470 pro carbon would get same results? i mean the asus hero is a highend board but i dont need highend and really cant afford it.
Great title Mr. Tiny that was what I wanted to know 1st X470 vs X570. Good job thank you.
Edit: that's why I watched it 1st, brilliant.
Decent info, but too much rambling (almost 10 minutes) before getting to the point, and then much digressing while talking about the specs.
@@brianbatie6650 indeed as he likes to talk...a lot 😁
@@3dPropheta It's all part of the journey 😁
Yes, I have never seen your videos but you are the first I have found answering the real questions! Subscribed! hey, anyone know of any DAW benchmarks done? DPC latency specifically!
@@MaxUgly oooo DAW benchmarks would be cool. What do you use?
Hey Mr Logan not watched it yet but thank you for all hard work Sir, very much appreciated👍
Absolutely brilliant video. I just built a new system using the x470 Crosshair VII and was hoping to see a vid like this. Thank you SO MUCH!
Seriously though I bought a decent X470 motherboard a few days ago and I'm going to get a 3700X. It will be my first AMD CPU with over 12 years.
what board? Because i'm going to the same thing but i need a good board
@@DailySulekInc I bought an MSI C470 Gaming Plus
Steve 30x whats the difference between the plus and pro?
@@ricco123tube the VTMs aren't as good and the VRM cooler isn't as good in the plus.
@@Steve30x actuallyhardcoreoverclocking says the vrm cooler on the plus is better actually..
Love your videos. Thanks for all the hard work. I can't imagine the time it took for all the testing. I've got a 3900x ordered! Won't be here until the 22nd, hopeful that it actually arrives by then. Almost impossible to find right now!
U post thorough and qualitative videos as always. Class act. My favourite pc youtuber since many years ago.
All credit goes to the Ceo of AMD. She turns things around. All the best to her team in the future
naeem bassa Honestly, she is a prime example of a strong female in an important position. I'm not starting any fights or anything, just being honest
"turn things around"?
lets see
1. zen architecture has developed without her presence iirc
2. intel stuck at 14nm-irrelevant to her
3. meltdown&spectre-same
now what she did
1.gpu division fiasco
2.broken promises everywhere, amd presence in laptops and servers-as tiny as during bulldozer times. and this is with the totally competitive zen arch.
3. she still sells you 28nm cpus&gpus in laptops. highly overpriced most of the time. mobile 14 nm gpu-non existent, cancelled.
4. ryzen mobile presentation, 20x25,-full of lies. no 25+w mobile models for 1,5 years. yes, it is easy-set the frequencies higher on the same chip.
5. small things like: no "intel.arc" type of stuff after all these years. recent double announcement-its just dumb.
6. full of empty words we proud we prod we proud all the time
..
shes the worst ceo possible
and all of that with the eternal mona lisa smile. shes literally the only one person in industry who looks so weird.
its a real shame that she, and not papermaster, hallock or norrod or whoever with a normal face is the face of amd.
@@williamblake7386 they shifted to a more aggressive stance against intel and nvidia, and are now competitive with both, in terms of gaming and workstations. Firing public shots across the bough, and reviving the brand image, that's what CEOS are for and she's done it brilliantly.
Or you know...the engineers who build the processors
She has single handily reined in the excessive price gouging and the built in obsolescence of nvidia and intel.
The MOST informative review so far on x470 vs x570. well done and thank you!
Loved, loved, loved your video. You have no idea how much you helped me out on weather to upgrade my X470 motherboard (that just happens to be the one you have there). I am now a new subscriber to your channel. Thank you for clearing so much up for me.
PLEASE follow up with a X370 (Crosshair VI) comparison too. Or x370 TaiChi. Both boards have solid vrm's and new bios updates. I'm curious to see pci-e gen4 drives performance. Possibly some B350 too? 😁🤘👍
I'll be swapping out my 1600X for a 3700X in my CHVI next weekend. If the 3700X will do 4.3 all cores on it I'll be satisfied. Hopefully I can squeeze a bit more out of my Trident Z B-Die as well.
I was going to ask the same question and I have the Crosshair VI Extreme..:D
@@420BulletSponge make a review for us. Because i have the same card too. I consider to buy 3700x in blackfriday.
They should test the Pci-E Gen 4 drives actual performence with true drive benchmark software first like crystal disk benchmark, ATTO or somthing similar so that we can see an accurate measure of performence, ie 4K, Sequential, QD32 etc... Also testing more than one Pci-E Gen 4 drive would be nice, to see if the results, (if proven), are the same across the board. Their tests were in no way accurate or conclusive.
asus b350 f gaming plz with a 3700x need to know if i need a board or not so hopefully someone does something like this
Brilliant coverage Tom. Loved the broad touch into the little things, like memory comparisons, and PCI-E 4.0 NVME on X470.
glad I got a high end X470 board should be set for quite sometime ! Thanks for the long hours and testing.
This video helped me spec up my new PC build. Thanks so much for all your videos over the years!
I have the crosshair vii and you answered the 5 questions that I had about the board.
Glad I found you.
The UKs version of GamersNexus. Puzzled by only 212k subscribers.
Love the positive vibe of the channel with genuine concern for our budgets. One thing I would change is the graphs, very hard to read.
only 212 k.....that's what you get when you say things clearly....because "the tiniest" is a "neither nor fanboy"....and that is what I love about this channel!
This is exactly the video I was looking for. I was a bit disappointed that the other "bigger" channels didn't make this comparison. Now I know I'll get a X470 with decent features for a decent price and without a ridiculous fan.
Awesome video. Exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks for going in depth on the x470/x570 platform differences without covering the same information as other reviews do over and over.
Brilliant to do this comparison !!! Good thinking and good video, kudos.
Best regards.
First video I watched this morning. Looking forward to the remaining parade. Thanks, Tom!
I did go elsewhere first, but yours answered my questions; thank you for your time 🤘🤗
This is the most relevant review on youtube for me, as I have a Crosshair VII and a 2700x!! Thank you for this!!!!
Happy to be among the 1st 100 to watch this great review. Keep up the good work Tiny Tom.
Thank you so much answered a few questions i've had for weeks! and saved me money over the next few months. : )
This was great. You are man of details. Much appreciation for you sir. I've seen sum of your videos before but u just earned a new subscriber. Cheers!
Great video here, thank you.... Im looking to upgrade my build due to some issues with ASUS Ai Suite, I am informed that windows version 1909 has broken AI Suite but have noticed that ASUS seem to be dragging their heels rather than fixing it, I can only describe the ASUS support and website user experience as Krypton Factor meets Crystal maze, I get the impression that Ai Suite is on its way out and Armoury Crate is the new kid on the block, however, neither softwares are able to keep my build running without issue. By the by, you saved me the cost of a new board today :) I will continue to run my HERO VII. Cheers !!
42:24 - "The AMD CPUs are Epyc!" ...
Not these ones, they're Ryzen. :-p
too funny m8
😬😬😬😬😬😬
everyone gotta know that you CAN NOT update your bios for X470 by yourself without CPU that the motherboard supports already.
So don't buy Ryzen 3000 with X470 because you cannot get it working in the most cases. please correct if i'm wrong
there are x470 boards that support usb bios flashback, a feature where you plug a usb stick with the firmware update in to a certain usb slot and boot the motherboard with no CPU/GPU/RAM and it updates - www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvfo57/list_of_b350_b450_x370_and_x470_motherboards_with/
Gigabyte makes their boards have Q-flash+ which is a function thats able to update the bios through a usb flash drive without a CPU, GPU, or RAM installed
I ended up getting a Hero 7 since they went on sale. Right now you can find some crazy deals on X470s since most stores are already trying to dump their inventory. I ended up buying the motherboard at Best Buy of all places since they marked it down to 220. Never thought I would ever buy a board there with how high their prices are normally, lol.
as a crosshair 7 hero owner this has made me very happy. Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown. Now my only decision left is how much longer to wait before I replace my 2700x with a 3700x:P
Long time subscriber here. I just sat through the whole video, the whole 48 minutes. I have never feel so informed and you opinions are so honest.
Thanks for sharing on what you have discovered using various combinations between the X470 and X570. Really appreciate the effort and time that you did in creating this video. A great pat on the back is well deserved to you.
perfect video for what I was looking for! Thanks for taking the time to make this!
You were the only channel in my feed that did what I would call a comprehensive AND relevant review. Nice.
Magnificent review Tom so glad I came here first, as I alwayyys dooooo! And when all this goes live I'm asleep and then have a busy day afterwards :( so get to see it late.
Excellent video. I watched the whole thing and now I have an idea of how I want to build my computer with team red. Subscribed.
Thank you for all your hard work, and thank you SO MUCH for testing x470 from the get go. Got myself a Crosshair VII on the way now.
Fantastic review. Just bought a 3950X and ROG Crosshair hero VIII.
Thank you for this. I originally bought a X570 Taichi, but the fan noise (chipset) is to much for me to bare :( I just bought the X470 ASUS Hero and glad this will pair well (or the same) with my 3900x.
Cheers!
Is it worth it? Im confused what should i go with X470 hero or X570 taichi😓
Thanks for the video! I now feel 100% confident in my recent purchase of a Crosshair VII Hero.
As Crosshair VII owner, this is what I was waiting for! I also bought the first one thanks to your x470 review. I think that I've watched it at least 5 times and I've concluded that it will be an investment for the future. I was right, so thanks a lot for your reviews! :) Now, I just need to swap out 2700x with 3700x or 3900x :D
Actually the cutoff is 3600 on the ram per AMD as once it goes over that there is some sort of process that takes twice as long (9nm) longer was the number they through out. So use 3200 to 3600.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing. I personally got a X570 board because I won’t be upgrading for another 6-7 years so it has to last a long while, otherwise I would have snatched up an x450B and saved like $150.
Good luck crossing your fingers that your 570 fan doesn't break and fry your rig 3 or 4 years down the line without you realizing until it's too late =P.
Thanks for all the effort put into this video. That was definitely one of my main questions about the new products. How they perform between x470 & x570
I have a Strix X470-F and I'm holding tight with my 2700X at OC of 4.2 GHz. I might look into Ryzen 4000 (Zen 3) thru bios updates later this year.
why on the cinebench tests are you using a rtx 2080 ti vs a gtx 980. Apply ceterus parabus....
This was a great first and most usable review upload - the comparison using both chipset platforms.
Very very good work Tim and OC3D!
I’m definitely ready to jump ship from Intel I’m on x99 rn been waiting for a good point to upgrade and I think nows the time. I can’t wait for 3900x to come back in stock! Super stoked to be able to join team red! Great video TTL!
Ryzen only installs on Windows 10. If you need help community.amd.com/community/support-forums/processors
Great job, great video. I am going to subscribe for all your hard work, keep it up!
Great video from u as usual. Really looking forward to your testing the 3700x and 3900x on x370. Really hoping there's no performance penalty with x370.
This 48-min vid has almost no b-rolls at all but managed to keep me watching all the way through..without pausing! Love your content and delivery man! 👌
Thank you ever so much for this Tiny Logan. You have put in an incredible amount of effort and work into these.
Nice. I subscribed you because I knew that you will release video earlier than other because you are in england XD
(Nda's expire at the same time no matter where you are)
@@Saxie81 but it is just more comfortable for him to make video daytime
Tom - why you can get the PCIe-Gen4 drive on your X470 board is because the chipset isn't even involved. The M.2 slot is direct to the CPU.
Where you will have problems is if you try to run RAID. Because there is only 1x M.2 direct to CPU. The other(s) are from the chipset. If you want RAID at Gen4 speeds, or for some reason only want to plug the drive into the slot from the chipset, you need X570
First time watching on your channel. Man, pretty long video but more informative than i expected.
You are one of the few to have done this on launch day. Congrats on being awesome.
thanks for all the efforts poured into this video! love your enthusiasm, very genuine. i'm making my first AMD build and this vid helped me a lot.
Thanks for the review. I'm in America, but like your unbiased reviews there in the UK. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for pulling long nights for me to watch this in-depth review
Hey Logan i bought asus crosshair 8 seems like excellent motherboard but im really cautious with that little fan, is it loud? do you think it can cause troubles in the future of its lifespan?
If you can do b450 testing, that would so AWESOME.
chipset NEVER makes any difference in performance. Same here.
That is true however, they said you can run higher frequency ram on 570 boards. @@arpakyna
Saw a video earlier using a b350 and the 3900x and it worked perfectly
4.267ghz all core out of the box
@@aoucelloutus3573 He already said it's virtually the same range on both X470 and X570. Even more it's also known that till 3777 you get IF multiplier 1:1 vs RAM so there is no actual point of getting higher at least regarding latency, which was the culprit of previous gen Ryzen.
So I have very good feeling B450 is gonna be just fine in that regard.
Love the colour/design of the background set, Tom. Great video. Looks like I'll most likely be going for an X470 + 3700X/3900X.
@yellowswift3 which x470 board will you buy, I am also going to buy a x470 , but really confused as there are so many options.
@@rohanyadav9378 Hi, I'm really not too sure at the moment. I won't be purchasing my components until about September. I'm going to let the dust settle until then. Check out as many reviews as you can and no doubt, there will be lost of upcoming tests done with motherboard comparisons in the coming weeks/months.
@@Yellowswift3 but I am also hearing some news that Bitcoin prices are going up , buy your pc ASAP , else the prices of components will go up. Is it somewhat true?
@@rohanyadav9378 I've no idea with regard to Bitcoin, it's not something I have any experience with.
I suspect subsequent bios updates on X470 are going to disable PCIe 4
whether its to justify the existence of X570, or whether there are genuine technical reasons why running PCIe 4 on older boards isn't safe, i think may be conflated
Best and first video.Glad to be one of the first one.
This is exactly what I was looking for to help me make my purchase! Thank you!
Have you tried installing a x62 kraken on the Asus ROG X570 Crosshair VIII Hero because the AMD bracket they supplied doesn’t seem to fit?
Only went from a 990FXA-UD3 and FX-8320, to a ASUS Prime X470 Pro and a R7 2700X last August. So I'm in no rush to upgrade at the moment. I need to see how the 3900X works with the Prime X470 Pro--and even then, I probably won't upgrade for another year.
So what’s the best x470 mini itx
board for my 3800x? Thanks.
I actually came to this review last, I considered all the ones I watched first to be homework so I could understand what would be said in this video a lot easier, as this is far more comprehensive and just better then the others as you have covered all angles and platforms.
I'm going to sub, just because you told me everything I wanted to hear. Thanks!
why nobody talks about the X3800 all the tests are done with the X3700 and the X3900 in EN/FR WHY ?
AMD didn't give any 3800X's to any reviewers. As far as I can tell no one has one. I wanted to buy one but they are out of stock everywhere. I ended up buying a 3700X, but those are out of stock now.
@@freefall5x Same here. 3800x didn't even go on sale, didn't see it in stock anywhere.Also bought 3700x.
Looking good for AMD. Got the ROG Crosshair hero VII, will fit a 3900X to it.
Yes
Ditto
Same
Am i in the right company here if i say i am on an i7 7700K and want to upgrade to what you have with the 3900X ??
You might need bios update though.
Thank you for doing this, it makes Very interesting viewing!
I am in the process of doing a new build for the first time in Years, man did I pick the right time!
the only thing i want to know is, how do i update the BIOS of an X470 board so it recognizes the new CPUs without having an old CPU.
i heard stories about that being possible via USB, but i've never seen it done. Somebody do some YT tutorials maybe?
Its possible with some boards like MSI B450 Gaming Carbon AC. Most others need an older CPU.
It's either two ways you request a CPU from AMD to help you update your bios or either you get it from USB however this way only works on certain motherboards so your going have to see if your motherboard can possibly do that
Any chance you try the new CPUs (at least the 3600 and 3700x) on a X370 MOBO? Thanks in advance.
So this may be a stupid question, but what if you have an x470 setup and your motherboard dies? You aren't quite ready to do the full upgrade to an X570 upgrade, so you decide to buy just the motherboard at the moment. Will an older processor work in these newer boards? If so, would they run any better? My apologies if this has been asked already.
Excellent presentation as always Tom. I love hearing your insights, they help me decide to pull the trigger or not.
Thanks a lot for the detailed review, just a few wishes:
1. Please keep the graphs on the screen for a bit longer, with such amount of entries it's hard to find all interesting data in such a short amount of time.
2. Could you please check the PCI-E 4.0 SSD on Intel b360, z370, z390 motherboards and with Ryzen 1xxx, 2xxx CPUs?
Press pause.
Did say I tested with a 2700x and it was normal PC IE3 speeds. You need a pcie4 cpu to get high drive speeds
My Hero! The comparison i was looking for...
thank you very much. Your work is appreciated. I wonder if new bioses will be produced for the x470 mobos in order to make 3000 series better IN THE FUTURE or make them available only for x570
Thanks for your hard work Tom - Great video, the first one I watched this Sunday afternoon. Cheers
Always the 1st reviewer I come to check out when new hardware drops.
Thanks TTL.
There is a lot of AWESOME info presented here! Thank you!
Wow, information overload. Going to have to read the article to sort it all out. Curios about the NVME drive. There was talk about PCIE 4 being supported on some previous generation MB's at least for the first graphics slot and presumably the close M2 slot., but AMD nixed the whole idea because not all vendors boards could handle it. So will you see these NVME speeds on all x470/b450 boards or will it be hit and miss?
Interesting times for PC users! Thanks for all the work.
Asus B450 and X470 boards received brand new bios updates yesterday, my B450 E Gaming got bios 2406 dated June 21st.
Check your motherboard support page to see if your board got an update!
Thanks for all of your hardwork tom. Nice work.
Great review, and, things may change shortly regarding PCIe 4 compatibility with the x470 boards.
This is from Paul Lilly at PC Gamer (June 3rd, 2019):
"When final BIOSes are released for 3rd Gen Ryzen (AGESA 1000+), Gen 4 will not be an option anymore. We wish we could've enabled this backwards, but the risk is too great," Hallock added.
Previously, AMD left the decision in the hands of motherboard makers, and some chose to validate certain models for the faster spec. Gigabyte, for example, enabled PCIe 4.0 support on its X470 Aorus Gaming Wi-Fi 7 motherboard. Based on what Hallock posted, support will be reversed in a later BIOS update.
AMD provided a slightly expanded statement to our friends at TomsHardware.
"Users today may find a PCIe 4.0 option available in their pre-X570 motherboards. However, users should expect this option to be disabled when final retail BIOSes are released to implement full performance and stability for new 3rd Gen Ryzen processors," AMD said.
I really like the way u compared x470 and x570! hoping you'll be doing x570 and x670 once that happens
I bought the x470, had some issues with bios and posting that i eventually worked through. Issues I'm having are my temp sensors are causing hwmonitor to fail and aida64 says there are none. Also noticing some sluggishness during operation. Is that possibly the board or the bios.
Since you'll be a guy that would get this, I'm wondering if for PBO overclocks especially the TR4 waterblocks will perform much better than AM4 on these chips? Due to the chiplet/io die design I'd think that especially the original AM4 contact plates may actually be too small now. Would love to see you test that.
at 22:35 it´s the AMD Ryzen R9 3900X and not the AMD Ryzen R7 3900X
Very useful, thanks.
Great review! I'm so glad to hear that I don't need to switch my x470 board! All I need now, Is a 3700x vs 3800x video.
Ive asked AMD about a 3800X but they dont have any for press yet
@OC3D TV, @TTL great reviews and testing as always -- do you know if, *IF* Asus will be bringing out: X570 | (X470 Micro-ATX) and Mini-ITX versions? Their YT & website Motherboard line up doesn't appear to include these as of yet: 30/072019 (Today), any insider info you could shed? thanks in advance :-) only X470-I GAMING is listed currently :-(
The single core Cinebench graph is strange, focusing on Ryzen 3700X with X570, how does it only have 1 point between overclocked and stock?
Additionally, wasn't clear to me, so the Overclock frequency are with the 200 Mhz offset only?
The cinebench results were all over the place because half of the results, (according to the graph they used), were from Cinebench R15 and half were from R20, and he didn't even seem to realise.... how incompetent!!
28:23 I'm a bit dubious about those temp scores. 3700x - x570 = 44c vs 3700x - x470 = 63c ?
There's only a 2c difference not 19
Your review is highly appreciated, great job!
Great video.
Was looking for any x450 tests, got decent answers from with the vrm infro on this video.
Hero got vrm 2x2 ir3555 with 5 ir3599 can handle the ryzen 9 and som oc.
"Fixed idea of a matx build (need 1-2 pci) and save some on mb perhaps buy a ryzen 9."
B450M Mortar (well any decent matx)
RT8894A (4+2)
X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi/ac)
ASP1405I (5+2)
Seems like a risky vrm play will wait for some more tests.
Looks possible not gona oc anyway. and hero could handle that.
Learning about vrms now, first build in 8 years ;O