Is AMD Ryzen 3000 series worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
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It has begun. The world has shifted by 0.00001% on its axis from all the vibrations of mobile phone notifications on the new AMD cpu's.
Hahahaha :D Seismograph verification incoming on that claim hahahaha ;) :D
I think that's the same percentage of market share AMD gained 🤣🤣🤣
Yrah and the 7.1 earthquakr in california is proof
It's the choice of steins;gate
Lol that’s awesome bruh - u win
AMD and Intel Fanbases aside, everybody can only win from good competition!
The 9900k is still the fastest gaming CPU in the world.
@@basshead. not Even in your rat kids game csgo lol!
@@basshead. If all you do is mindless and mundane gaming then yeah pick that overpriced shit. But for us who actually do productive stuff, no.
@@basshead. didnt you watch the video? it was slower than the 3900x in several games. and you know that the 3950x from amd comes in a few months as well?
Too bad capitalism eventually leads to the death of competition and monopoly, a system where only corporate profits win and everybody else loses.
Brand loyalty is for suckers, good on AMD for finally releasing something that I may actually buy!
Yeah but now I'm having to tamp down on my own AMD brand loyalty
Yup. Going from my choked ass meltdown spectre 6700k to a 3700X. Love this competition!
@@FelipeFerrazMO In what way?
@@CJBMAGGOT94 In the way that you know it will cost more, and your motherboard might be useless for any new cpu xD
@@CJBMAGGOT94 I think he just wanted to chime in (Like Myself).
"Did they deliver?" -Jay nods
Buys Ryzen 3000 series Cpu right away.
same. I upgraded to a 3600 from my old i5 6600k lol
@@sabrevanson4412 I have a i7 920, I was gonna upgrade because I'm more familiar with Intel after seeing how good the ryzen cpus are I definitely want to see what I can get out of them. It also makes me reconsider my familiarity with the nividia graphics cards as a reason to stick with them.
@@JohnDoe-jl3em the Ryzen 3000 series is a phenominal CPU. the Intel 99XX (dont remember the full model) is also crazy good. But, it will only give marginal to ok results above the AMD at a much higher price. I am a guy who goes bang for buck. For CPUs, Ryzens this gen are stellar. They sold 96% of the CPU market in 2019....thats HUGE. The GPUs on the other hand are still behind team Green. well, not WAY behind. like the AMD 5700XT is on par with a 2070 super. its slightly cheaper and you will get very very similar results. the 2080s are still kings of top notch tho.
@@sabrevanson4412 never had an AMD gpu can they do ray tracing? im looking to upgrade from a GTX980ti but i dont really know where to start with AMD gpus
@@chrisbomber101 Nope its a Nvidia tech only; also AMD gpu drivers are pretty trash but do your research i had to return my 5700xt and bought a 2060s. Again not trying to push you one way; do your own research. I also just upgraded from an i5 7500 to an r5 3600.
AMD invested in the future while Intel was comfortable with what it had.
Totally. I'm not a fanboy of one brand or the other, but Intel definitely became complacent being on top. I look forward to seeing how the push back.
AMD stock looking good now
@@bonorbitz My fear is that the market shifts, Intel doesn't push back right away, and AMD ends up being complacent. I really hope I'm wrong because the continued competition is going to be the best thing for the industry, but Intel should have started to push back after 1st gen Ryzen. I mean it has only been 2 years since 1st gen, but you would think they would have tried to push it into overdrive and keep them down.
We don't know that. We don't know what their mindset is (or was). Intel could very well be fully into the development of a new architecture. It's not that they were arrogant or lazy, or whatever else the internet know-nothings want to claim from their creaking, stressed out chairs. When there is no competition, an individual or a company can only fight with themselves. Intel spent the better part of eight years basically playing with their food because AMD offered nothing. Two years now of excellent product placement by AMD threatens Intel, and I can guarantee you the latter has been working on something that entire time. After all, Intel's market share among gamers in particular has actually gone up since Ryzen first hit the shelves two years ago, and it's only now that they are starting to spring a few leaks in their otherwise air-tight market hold. AMD has caught up to them in performance, and is blowing them away in value. This will force Intel to respond, and I'm sure they have already started.
Keep in mind, whenever there is a two-horse race in a big industry, competition breeds excellence. But eventually, one of them will consume the other. The best example most nerds can probably relate to is the Monday Night Wars of the professional wrestling golden era in the late 90's. Eventually WWF/E became so good and grew so big that it simply gobbled up all the competition. Now it's garbage because there hasn't been competition for 18 years. Intel's response to AMD could be great, or it could spell their doom. Either way, I expect one of these two companies to eventually consume the other and we are back to over-priced complacency.
@@Masterown35 They should know by now that resting on their laurels brings bad publicity, followed by terrible sales numbers
20:40 "i don't think i'm going to be doing crazy custom cooling"
Are you feeling alright? hahaha
apparently theres a 4.3ghz all core wall so crazy custom cooling won't help at all.
@@shanepotter4635 It was mostly a joke, but I haven't seen hardware stop jay from crazy water cooling builds before.
Ryzens never overclocked that well anyway. Its just a waste.
@@shanepotter4635 not exactly it depends if the custom loop gets the temps like at 40°C then 4.4 might be possible, it's not just better cooling to not make it overheat, remember that the lower temps you go with silicon the higher the resistance is, meaning higher clocks, that's why LN2 works, it doesn't just keeps it from overheating, it increases resistance by dropping the temps to way under negative degrees C
Yeah, what the heck's the matter with you, Jay? We want to see what these babies can really do! Come on.... COME ONNN!!!! :-P
AMD : How Many Cores do you Want ?
Consumers : YES
@Warm Soft Kitty hmmmmm Intel fan boy I guess.
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT DON'T NEED MORE THAN THAT FOR GAMING.
@Warm Soft Kitty if everyone would have your mindset we would still be on dual cores. Thank god publishers like ubisoft put a lot of effort in their engines to get more multithreaded. And no you are wrong otherwise the 7700k would be as fast as a 9900k which is nowhere true
@Warm Soft Kitty Said nobody, ever.
@Warm Soft Kitty If they could go faster with the same shrink they would have. Programmers need to step up their game or AI will obsolete half of them.
You should be happy if you like low core. If they did not go heavy cores, the 4-core prices would be much higher...and you would get basically the same thing. But Instead of $200 you would be paying $999.
@Warm Soft Kitty say that to my 8/16 core ivy bridge xeon which is suddenly as fast or faster than a ryzen 5 1600 and a i5 6600/7600 in games.
"Did they deliver?" -Jay nods
*Welp, that was a great video!*
lol- true, most people stop watching there, because they don’t want the facts.
@@MichaelW1980randoms Ya, who clicks through on a tech review for "facts"? That's what we watch GamersNexus for.
@@thomastmc and lmg
@@coows nah, GN is way better than LMG. Except Anthony. GN doesn't have an Anthony so they lose points there.
@@johnyang799 because he smort boi
long overdue apology for Bulldozer, I'd say. Great job, AMD!
I mean you did get a free heater with your pc buy. Now that's what I call value.
sharkexpert12 cooler but yes
It's bullshit. My FX8350 never really was that hot.
Bulldozer was a perfect CPU but the time was not. Back in the day single core / double core was enough for any software. AMD think ahead of time
at least bulldozer overclocked...
Anyone else get like 9 notifications all at the same time?
King Christo Tech yup
Yep
#mda
Yep, De8uers was the best, Ryzen 3000 delidded
Lol not just me
AMD was hungry, Intel was complacent. This is the result!
cant wait for the new 7nm GPUs from AMD that will probably come soon.
getting a Ryzen 7 3700x for my new System.
remember: Companies are not your friends, Brand loyalty is a trap, buy whats best for you regardless of producer.
The 7nm gpu's are out. 5700 and 5700xt..
Since Radeon VII
Im actually very happy that AMD has Delivered and now I will upgrade from 1700X on my X370 Bravo AMD
Lmao I’ll probably upgrade my FX 8350 now
Yeah I went from a 7870k to a 2700, thinking I probably should have just waited for ryzen 3000 lol
@@mehftv same! the fx performed so well for me i never had a real reason to upgrade. but now the 3600 or 3700 look really good
Ima upgrade from prebuilt Alienware i5, acpi mobo. Newegg is preparing my shipment 3700x and gigabyte x570 master.
@@aidanbotham442 same tbh i have no regret (mine was an i5 something )
Got spammed with new Ryzen stuff. Jayz, Bitwit and Hardware Canucks uploaded within one second!😂
It's all well and good looking at the high end stuff I want to hear about Ryzen 5.
Lmaoo
best kind of spam
Linus too
That's because of Amd embargo lifted 15 min ago
One of AMD's highlights for zen 2 was the seperation of the infinity fabric clock and memory clocks.
Does that mean that the "ideal" memory clock for RAMs now is invalid? will we no longuer get no throttle by clocking it higher?
@@platy5682 I'm not sure exactly but it does mean the memory clock is separated. We've seen some people get 5200MHz on their memory with the new setup
@@platy5682 It means that the inter-core bandwidth won't be gimped using slower ram. I.e. cpu performance no longer greatly dependant on ram speed, and team compatibility is much greater.
Ram speed will matter more when the new APU's hit the market.
@@gungan5822 AMD themselves recommends higher RAM speeds for best performance though. 3600Mhz/cl16 to be exact. Nothing more than that will benefit. Another reviewer (Gamer Meld) noticed a huge bump in fps with higher RAM speeds.
ryzen 1 and 2 prices are IINSANELY low now. building a ryzen pc right now is really great
At Micro Center this summer you can get a 1700x for around $130-$150, paired with a motherboard you save around $30 or so too. You can even get a 2700x paired with an X470 motherboard for between $350-$450, maybe even cheaper with B450. Nows the best time.
@@awayracketeer6918 why would you waste your money when the 9600k is better
@@dennisfinan7977 why would you waste money to that shit
My old i7 2600K has served me well the last 8 years but it's time to upgrade, welcome home R7 3700X.
Preach, I'm still running my 2500k. Looking forward to more good r7 news so I can justify a new rig with all the shiny new tech that's being / been released :)))
3770k checking in, also thinking this is the time for an upgrade.
2500K checking in.
2600k here as well. I was thinking of an 8700k but I waited long enough to see the AMD line up. Might switch to that side.
2500k checking in, 3700x on the way
I'd love to see how a 3700X performs on X370, X470 and X570.
From the videos I saw about this topic it does not make a noticable difference. except for PCI 4.0 which does not affect overall performance yet.
main different is RAM OC capability. X570 don't need to OC RAM. Default support 3200MHz !!! and up to about 4200MHz !!! X470 or X370 can not OC RAM well !! like 2133 or 2933MHz only !!
RAM speed is like CPU's arms. If RAM speed is not fast enough, gaming or rendering will slow down.
@@KelvinKMS thats a lot of !!!
Isn't the big difference between X370 vs X470 the ability to do precision boost?
*looks at my old 2007 Dell Pre Built Pc with Windows 7*
*turns to look at old mac mid 2011*
“Well buddy, it’s been fun. Time to build myself a pc” 😭
I am currently upgrading my ancient 775 system, Q6600, 4 Gb Kingston HyperX, ASUS GeForce GTX 960 Strix 2 GB DDR5, SATA3 Seagate Barracuda (future replacement ADATA SU800 SSD) and it's moving pretty darn good, can't wait for the other sticks of RAM, the SSD and maybe a slight overclock on the CPU (the Strix is going on itself up 1380 Mhz core clock and 3008 Mhz on the memory), gaming benchmark: Attila: Total War on 1440p 46,8 FPS, so there is still some fight left in these old rigs, don't despair, my friend! Best wishes from Romania.
Is that 2007 a studio xps? I'm looking to finally trash mine too. The thing has been on its last leg for probably two to three years now.
You won't regret it
*Looks at my Windows XP Pentium 4 build*
:'( Im broke
2007 Dell PC? That cant be true! xD
I dont know any Dell PC that lived over 4 or 5 years my old one included :/
This is why you are literally the best at this. You go over this entire test as if you are doing a literal scientific paper. Good job.
Im so early, intel still using 4c/8t on their cpu
Did you mean 4t because Zombieload/Spectre/Meltdown? :3 (NB: my desktop is Intel based. Kinda wishing it wasn't right now.)
i am little late
had to disable hyperthreading to defend against exploiters so they dont rig my pc
They're not though. Intel's current lineup is 6c/8c/8c16t.
@@samiraperi467 Honestly has ZombieLoad/Spectre/Meltodown affected you in any way?? Probably not.
@@MatthewBrown14827 Well, the patches to defend against it will even if you never are affected by the exploit it self. Kinda glad I'm on an i5 now, cant really gimp it that much more lol
I'd hate to see a patch reduce my CPU performance by 20 - 30% or more...
It's a great time to be a pc builder. Last time we had this level of competition was back at Phenom 2
Did we? Even the late top of the line Phenom II X4s and X6s got stomped by the i5 2400 in reviews back then, and then there was the i7 2600K out in those days. Before that I remember the i7 920 beating the 2009 era top Phenom IIs. They weren't bad, but they weren't competing directly against top Intel CPUs, like they are now.
@@jubuttib It was a blip of success because Phenom II had quad core for the cheaper price. Remember, this was back when devs didn't know if clock speed or core count were the future. That was until Intel came out with better quad core chips.
loved my Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition - kept it to same level of OC as it's better brother 965 for 4+ years straight
@@garagatza My TV rig still rocks my 1055t :)
Oh yes. My NAS is still running on Phenom II X4.
Having just bought a 3700X, I feel confident and glad
i was still too much of a coward and went intel lol. ill just wait for the 4000 series and chill with the intel for now
3700 X with stock Wraith prism cooler 68 full load...Amazing CPU, coming from a R5 2600
@@andrewpersaud4144 4000?
@@marloh2906 he didn’t know it would be 5000 that comment was 2 months ago
@@kingnugget9329 he should’ve. 4000 series are mobile cpus
"... synthetic benchmarks, like ... ... Blender..." I really wouldn't call Blender a synthetic benchmark in the least, it is an actual tool used by many people to do work on.
Yup, that one made my eyebrow raise.
And Cinebench too is actually benching Cinema4D performance. YES that's a real application Jay!
It gives me synthetic money, then, lol.... It's gotta be synthetic, now that I think about it... I don't believe the Blender Foundation has managed to grow a tree in their garden that gives natural bred 100 $ bills. But with that folk, u never know, look at Blender 2.8.
Also, he adds that the real scenarios (the blender test is as real, or more, I know...is an actual usual and super frequent operation in Blender, lol) are more the Premiere export and Premiere Warp stabilize. But... 3900X again beats there the 9900 k ! In BOTH. No small merit, as Premiere, like most Adobe apps (full of legacy old code) favor GREATLY single core over many cores (Photoshop is a very strong case of it).... So... wow. Even there the 3900 beats the 9900k. Yeah, am not an AMD fanboy (neither intel's), but u can very safely say now that of "The King is dead, long live the king". At those prices in AMD, no more intel's advantage, the cpu security issues, no advance towards 7nm, Intel do need to lower its prices.... drastically. Or there's no game.... (and that's worse for all of us).
Probably "synthetic" in the sense that it used fixed preset values and a specific scene shared among all benchmarks.
Take that as you will considering Blender is actually used in the real world, but I suppose it's only fair to mention that it's "synthetic" since those fixed values are likely altered in actual usage and may or may not benefit certain CPUs over others in some way, shape, or form.
I use Intel at the moment (8700k) and i think it should be absolutely fine for at least 3 more years for my needs so i'm not really in the market for a new cpu, but i'm very very happy there is true competition again.
Paul Goodwill same boat, running a 8086k oc’d to 5.1ghz. I’m good until the 3950x then i’ll think about it...
I have a r3 1200 so I'm definetly in the mood for a new cpu and gpu.
I'm in the same place you are
I use a Core 2 Quad, QX6700 and I'm absolutely fine for at least 3 more years.. ;-)
@@curtisbme wow, I though mine wa getting long in the tooth. I am using a cobled together system when the most I spend was £50, and its faster than that ( i7-4790/24Gb Ram/64Gb eSATA/4Gb storage/GTX760 2Gb). I am alergic to spending money, so I use old bits when I upgarde mates PC's for them. I have a tough choice between getting a new high end phone (Note9/10... yea my note 3 is getting old) or new gaming machine. I confess i have been leaning towards new phone, but AMD are making it hard.
Finally feels like I can build my first PC without getting completely screwed by lack of competition. Good job AMD
First PC? That's Noob. Welcome to the PC Master Race.
well what about your GPU, Nvidia is still screwing you, unless you don't need one
Right! So excited to start my project this month.
Nice, good luck! Wich cpu and gpu are you planning to buy?
@@gianlukk The super models coming up don't seem like bad GPUs even for the price.
Intel right now
"I'm in Danger"
Intel isn't in danger. Nor should you want them to be. They are in danger in the desktop market, AMD just punched them in the face there. And they need to respond. You should want them to respond. We all win when both companies are fighting for your money.
intel failed the mobile market now they are in danger of desktop market and maybe the enterprise servers thinking about getting amd chips for the huge "Price to Performance" difference.
Restarino Pepparino...
@@marcleblanc3225 you really haven't thought this out. The 3rd generation Ryzen are a prelude to what is going to shake up the server market not the desktop market. Intel is really hurting in their biggest money making division, Servers.
@@davidmiller9485 AMD is gonna take the enterprise and HEDT markets, too. At least until intel adopts 7nm lithography for their desktop
Switching out my i7 2600k after almost 8 years of service with a 3700x!
Same haha
my i7 2600 can stay a little longer until the 3700X discounts to about 6x of what I paid for it (or them, as I have 2 :)
Lmao I thought I was the only still running one
@@luisxx187 It was the best CPU in comparison with its direct predecessor, better than all that followed ... until Zen2 came out
The same to my 2500k...
0:21 "Well? Did they deliver?" *Jay smiles and nods*
YES!
Well, clearly they have delivered to Jay ... real product availability in EU - not so much
@@spikev5842 From the shops I've seen. 5 day delivery. Not great. but not a paper launch.
@@Exile1a The shops i buy from online in france do a 7 day delivery, they don't have stock
I saw that nod and got all giddy inside
Whole video summarized in a nod
I just had to pick the 21mins review didn’t I...
**Sees a 32mins review by Gamers Nexus next door**
No... no more, please!
Don't forget HardwareUnboxed is also 30+ minutes
my local reviewer do 45+ mins
there just a lot of stuff to talk about
Watch RUclips videos in double speed. It will change your life.
If you're bothered by long, detailed, in depth reviews, just make sure you avoid OC3D TV then ;)
There's still a lack of competition in the market considering there are only 2 companies. Imagine if you had only 2 options for everything else in life you buy..
I've been using Intel for years. Now I switched from I7 4770 to my new Ryzen 5 3600X and I'm happy with it. Planning to switch to 3900x in a few months.
Sell me the 3600x when you're done with it
I think there's gonna be a lot of 2700x for sale cheap soon, mine included. Waiting for the 3950x....
I said the same exact thing, but mine will go into my wife's rig
You'll want a new Mobo for the 16c to get the fullest out of it.
I'm considering just picking up someone's used 2700x and saving a bunch. I have an i7 3930 so it should be a good upgrade.
I'll probably bundle order the 3900x with the Asus X570 Pro to keep my Asus fanboy status valid lol
I bought my 1700x in 2017..... I am hyped but I will wait, as I have no need right now to upgrade l, running at 4.0 easy
Consumer market: "Hey new hardware, but does it run the new games?".
Jay: "Hold my digress".
Funny you ask >>> I just read that Destin2 does not work with the Ryzen 3000 series so that one example. Its just one game so who knows.
@@dkat1108 there's nothing new there. New hardware is always like that. Up until the last driver update I was having texture issues on a r9 390 in destiny 2. It happens but (as Jay would say) "I digress". Drivers and software are always a grab bag.
@@MrArgonaut2501 Ya no rush for me. I can wait and save up more $ and get a better CPU.
*digression intensifies*
@@dkat1108 Oh yes, one of the many reasons why I dig Mr Twocents, puts perspective on whether or not something is even worth making the change to begin with.
I love that AMD uses the same socket for new CPUs. I really hate how intel requires a new mobo every 6 months...
My pentium E2200 has served me well, i went for a ryzen 2600 because it was cheaper and i wanted the upgrade faster.
Either 2000 or 3000 series, AMD you saved my ass cause the 9600k costs 280$ where i live.
Autronic big oof. 9600k is currently cheaper than the 2600x, which is more expensive than the 2600. Shouldve waited a little longer
Cheng Min You Not true at all, at least in America. The 2600x is around $50-60 cheaper than the 9600k.
I also upgraded my e6500 to r5 2600, amd saved my life, cuzz 9400f still cost more than 2600 here
@@Nobaris9961 2600x is more expensive than 3600 where I live (Germany)
@@suisegs69420 plus it comes with a good cooler as far as I know
I like Jay's appearance in this video, gray T-shirt, gray hair, gray eyes and gray beard. It matches and blend nicely with the Ryzen CPU box ( it has mostly gray color with orange) lol....
2:32 The rtx cards in the background be like,"Damn,those ryzen sure looks powerful".
hahahaha
they look like owls imo
Except Intel is still fastest for gaming.
@@icy1007 Damage control: On.
I'm pretty sure thats a Vega 7 on the top
AMD fanboy much?
Yea, me too. Thank you for the review.
Jay isn't a fanboy, and neither is Linus. So hearing them give kudos is pretty sweet.
@@djlobb Chief, I need to speak with your optometrist. Dale was clearly joking.
@@dylan62902 So was djlobb.😂😂😂
Frank how?
@@frankyvee1 you have less likes therefore you are wrong
I am cheap. First built was AMD FX 4 core on an eMachine case. Then last year looked around, and built on x58 HP800 Workstation. But this is making me itching to build cheap 1700x for my kids.
You're cheap, can I buy you?
If you live near a Microcenter, you should check out their cpu prices. They have ryzen 5 1600 for $79.99, and if you buy a compatible motherboard, you save an additional $30.
C O At Micro Center you can get a 1700x for around $130-$150 this summer, paired with a motherboard you can save around $30 or something around those lines. I’d highly advise it for this summer especially with all of the new stuff coming out and price drops everywhere.
Never knew I’d be saying “time to upgrade to ryzen” lol
I was in the middle of watching how to make a cookie in 2 minutes so this better be good.
😯 man I want a cookie now
@@prozoomy3588 i always do
If it's not good you can angrily make the cookie
I was watching the same video! LOL
@@prozoomy3588 I just made some you can have one
AMD is pretty much there. Imagine running a 3900x with 3600mhz of DDR4
Thats the plan chief
Or 3200 mhz with better timing
Also you get the PCIE4 M.2 speeds on the x470 boards
@@organicwest not on x470 boards isn't just on the x570?
@@hadenas1 That's right. Gen 4 pcie is only on x570.
About the marketing:
I had my own business once, and there i realised just how stupid and blind the average customer is:
Several other stores and I had trouble selling some Bates combat boots, we contacted Bates and asked them if that was a general problem, they said yes and gave us the following solution:
Take them off the shelf for a month, put them back in in stock but double the price, dont change anything in the description or website.
It worked, suddenly we ran out of stock, and the only thing we changed was doubling the price, thats it.
The average customer back then (2007) and now is stupid and blind, only fixating on the namesticker and price, choosing to ignore the product itself.
I got a Ulefone S10 Pro after my Samsung S8 broke, so many have laughed at me when i say i have a Ulefone, but the funny thing is, is that my Ulefone does the exact same thing as a 1500USD Samsung or iPhone, they cant do anything i cant, and im doing it for literally 1/10 of their price.
@mrFluorocarb I admit that many of our customers did not research the products, its pricehistory, and was completely blind to a high price tag, not even looking at the product itself, but only at the pricetag.
Every product i sold you could get a pricehistory from, dating back 12 or 24 months.
So if you did a 10 sec Google on a product i sold, you could the pricehistory and the jumped price right there.
What other companys did/did not do, is not on me.
Im sorry to say it, but many of the overpriced product today, only have the customer themselfes to blame.
Take mobilephonesas an example; why are the customer utter stupid enough to pay 1000-2000 USD for a freaking mobile when you can get one that does the same job for 200 usd?
Becasue they are stupid and blind, thats it, only looking at the brand name and wich version/model it is and because the electronic companys know that the stupidity is endless and they can keep raising the price model after model, and the customer would gladly pay it.
42%?
How did you get those numbers?
Back in 2007 ill bet you that more than 85-90% of Denmark was online.
And take a look at all those "WOW ones-in-a-lifetime-super-duper-sales", the majority of all companys slowly raise there prices during the year, only to "lower" them to normal during Black Friday, christmas, new year and such sales.
So im not embarassed to say it, on the contrary, im saying it to help the ordinary customer to open their eyes and stop looking at a brand sticker or a pricetag; It very often does not reflect the quality of the product itself, only a inflated pricetag.
That Ryzen 7 chip has my name all over it. For about $150 less than the 9900K, I'd say AMD definitely delivered.
Huh? The AMD is $20 MORE. Are you comparing the low Ryzen to the top intel?
Feed full of amd reviews, watching your review first tho.
Im with you on that bro.
Same here I was waiting for all the videos
Same
Same!
They kept their promises. Then added some whipped cream and a cherry for good measure! Damn, I am impressed with the overall *cost to performance* just with the CPU. Wow. Love seeing competition it makes others work more!
Itll be even more lower if there was a 3rd competitor.
The 3900x slays
I can't wait to see new threadripper in action
Now I'm anxious to see if Intel answers with pricing or we just hear crickets because their year old part still wins in gaming at the same price. Just like in graphics with Nvidia's money grab RTX, AMD is raising it's prices once it can compete to fatten profit margins. Neither the 9900k or 3900x are worth $500.
@@zodwraith5745 inb4 in the next 10 years amd beats out intel, amd starts a monopoly on CPUs (like what intel did after the release of the Core series and before Ryzen), intel starts making low cost CPUs (being the underdog like what AMD was before Ryzen) and history repeats itself
that fact that my 289$ 3700x is running in my x370 board is such a bang for buck esp when i sold my old 1700x AMD is crushing it.
"Fights Back"
Shit the Ryzen 5 series is still the best value for performance
That CPU cooler is so well placed you can see Jay's hand right through the heatsink :D
lefthand
Anyone else get like 9 notifications all at the same time?
kind regards from a Japanese Y0:utuber!
I do!
Greetings from the USA.
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Only 4 :(
Not an uwutuber?
Really glad to see these performance numbers. I think it is time to finally retire my 4790k and upgrade. Will be interested to see how using a x470 vs x570 works out. Personally I won't be needing PCIe 4.0 for storage speeds. Could save some money by going x470 over x570.
Should be almost identical cpu wise
9900K does not cost 450$ its 450 + 100 aio.
Buy Old cheap Mobo B450 $100 + $250 R5 - Gaming king combination.
Games will run slightly faster on intel not because of intel processors superiority but shady software monkey business called intel compiler, which compiles programs so they run slower when cpu is not intel.
Thats what i did i paid less than 400$ for a brand new b450 aorus gaming mbd and a r5 3600
Intel did this back in the early 2000's when AMD passed them with 64 bit and the faster RAM controller. Intel was sitting on their hands.
This time however it seems like AMD is managed well. Back in the day AMD squandered its opportunities. Yes Intel pulled some shady shit to get ahead but the management at AMD was terrible and almost sunk the company. Thankfully it seems like now Lisa Su at least has a plan for the future. Competition is always a great thing and hopefully its here to stay.
at that time Intel was on a better process, now the situation is reversed
The music Jay plays during the comparisons is always great.
Agree, Jay knows it's the best for comparing hardware, I mean who would get excited while listen to classical music or any other slow music lol
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Love it. Reminds me of Sevendust.
The only reason why Intel started more than 4 cores was release of 1st Ryzen back in 2017. I will never forget this greed and i am thankful to AMD. And thats also one the reasons why i will switch to AMD. Peace
It's not really greed it's the way business goes.. capitalism, ya know, survival of the fittest... I love it and I hate it... right now I love it... back then I hate it.
So I picked up both a Ryzen 5 3600X and a Ryzen 3600 and it seems there is no difference in gaming benchmarks in my tests with The Division 2. In both cases running benchmarks on Ultra settings at 1080p resulted in exactly 104 FPS on two different systems with also different RX 5700 XT. I purchased the 3600 @ $199 while the 3600X was at $249 at launch. I think AMD realized there is no benefit to the 3600X and has started discounting it by $20 now selling at my local Micro Center for $229. System 1 is 100% water cooled, 3600X EKWB AM4 CPU block, Sapphire reference RX 5700 XT again EKWB GPU block cooled with120mm+240mm radiators, running on a Gigabyte B450M 3SDH, 24GB DDR4-3200 CL16 in a Thermaltake Core V21 (mATX). System 2 is 100% air cooled, 3600 with Wraith Prism (hand me down from a 2700x), ASRock Challenger RX 5700 XT (custom cooler/pcb) running on an ASUS ROG Strix B450i Gaming with 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16 in a Thermaltake Core V1 (ITX). Its pretty amazing how two different systems benchmark getting identical FPS numbers. You would think the 100% water cooled 5700XT/3600X would get better results than a 100% air cooled AIB 5700XT/3600. As far as fan noise, its very close the EKWB vardar are audible but only slightly less so than the ASRock GPU fans. Long story short, save your money and get the 3600 and air cool it.
I have to point out that most of the reviews on the internet are usually just for gamers or people who do video editing.
but what most forget is that there are people in both Professional and Amatuer that create music.
Currently when I create music, there is one major problem that I have, as well as many others in the music industry that has the same problem.
That is when we use a patch in the Virtual Instrument a.k.a VSTi that uses PADs and Strings. But its usually PADs most of the time that takes the CPU and cripples it,
to the point that it forces the entire system to come to a crawling halt.
I am currently using the AMD FX-8350 and going to upgrade to the Ryzen 7 (3700X) because of that reason...... But the other major reason I am using that specific CPU is,
Its TDP of 65-Watts. which will cut my electricity usage by 50%. as the current FX-8350 TDP is 125-Watts, compairing that to the 65-Watts TDP of the 3700X,
My electric bill cost will drop dramatically.
Anyways, I have yet to see ANY youtuber actually create videos in regards for people that use these CPUs for creating music content.
And test them against CPU hungry patches from VSTi (virtual Instruments). Having 1 PAD will make the CPU crawl, so imagine having 6 or 12 PADS,
I believe at that time, the CPU will just kill itself, since it wont be able to do anything.
These patches was created by reputable companies and its been part of certain VSTi synths for a long time. so its not like someone fiddled with it at all. its how they come.
I plan on paring the 3700X with the Asus ROG Crossfire VIII Hero or the Formula Extreme Edition. (still deciding)
Why that motherboard, if I may ask? I'm sure you have your reasons -> Just a thought - why not use a MSI b450 Tomahawk, if you don't need all the new features? Save a lot of money (check Hardware unboxed. They did a test, if you like to see) Unless you have plans on upgrading to a 16 core later. Have a good day, regards.
It's a very good point i guess most of the techtubers don't do music creation but obs that is talked of for video creation can use multiple audio and video tracks so it's going to be close to the kind off stuff you do
Oh boy, I'm hyped! Finally we got a competition! And remember, the more of us buy AMD CPUs, the more Intel's gonna start losing market share and push prices lower or invest more in innovation. Don't be afraid to choose AMD! It's better for all of us and it's the better choice already!
Will Jay got team Red? I predict a 3950x in his future for all of his content creation.
Jay won't go team anything. And you shouldn't, either. Brand loyalty is a bit absurd in my opinion. I built a couple of machines last year that, for their intended task, Intel chips made more sense. If I were doing it this year, it would likely have been AMD chips. Getting stuck behind one brand is pointless. You will either 1) End up overpaying for sub par products or 2) End up trying to justify how it's better in specific scenarios x, y, z, regardless of what you're actually doing with it.
Nah, he'll go with Zen 2 Threadripper later in the year simply because of quad channel memory etc
Jay is biased (nvidia helps keep his lights on, if Jay was negative toward nvidia he wouldn't be getting $1300 gpu's for free), but that is a discussion for another day. I am a value shopper and AMD, most of the time has been in the more value for your dollar business. That's why I favor AMD. If the roles were reversed I would support intel. Intel is expensive and makes you have to purchase a new motherboard with the next upgrade path. Partly due to lack of competion on the higher end. Maybe Intel will learn from AMD, competition between the two benefits the end consumer.
@@turbowrx777 Or maybe AMD just isn't competitive with higher end cards. Like at all. They're less competitive there than they were four years ago with CPUs.
Hell, they don't even release cards in the 2080ti/titan bracket anymore.
I love how far AMD has came. I remember the FX nightmare and I was laughing so hard at AMD while I was comfortably using Intel (forgot what CPU I had at the time). I love both companies because it gives competition and competitive pricing.
Haha it's true! Funny thing is the FX was still a great card for gaming, just hardcore fanboys and propaganda sent people directly to Intel. Now you see the proof it's worked at amd didn't just get good this year they were always good. They just weren't the best! Funnily enough they still aren't but people are smarter then yesterday and value Price/performance and cheap is a gold thing and doesn't mean cheap product 👍
Your room is full of Red lights even with RTX cards behind you......
Is this a hidden message where AMD is foreshadowing Nvidia??
I think the GPU on the top is a Raedon 7
Totally green screen effects.
I'm actually suprised how much it looks like he is sitting in front of a greenscreen.
I'm not sure what you meant by "foreshadowing", but you definitely used it incorrectly.
No.
Saved your vid for last......😎👍🏻
Also love how can watch multiple techtuber channels & EVERY review is DIFFERENT 😁✌🏼
Guy from slightly in the future:
Hey 2019 dudes, hold onto your 1000-series and 2000-series for now, and get onto the 5000-series in 2021.
I think I'm going to wait till next year, I'm happy with my 6700k for now, only thing I need to upgrade is my gpu from 1080 to 2080s, to run my ultra wide 1440p monitor.
would be better to replace the cpu now and get ampere 7nm next year. it will be a huge performance leap. 2000 series were disappointing.
definitely plan on picking up a 3900x for my workstation LOL what a beast
Fucking out of stock everywhere. I didn't think I'd be like that.
Bruh, wait for Threadripper.
Thread ripper? lol so many PCI4 lanes 0.0
@@Jaker788 I mean the hype monster took over then it delivered a very very good product at the end of that. I would imagine every AMD user at the very least thought about it and from the looks of it most of them pulled that trigger.
@@lakshyasingh8931 total 40 PCIE 4.0 lines = 80 PCIE 3.0 lines !! so Ryzen 3000 is much premium than Threadripper.
Unrelated. But the new background lighting and the way it contrasts with the foreground has an almost 3D effect. You really pop out of my screen.
I just ordered my r5 3600 and a asus tuf x570 mobo. I currently running a i5 6600k and evga z170 ftw mobo. My VERY FIRST AMD build. I'm tired of over paying for intel and I hope they wake up and we the consumer get a true competitive cpu market.
Hope you have some high speed RAM, 3200+, to really get blown away by performance
Just installed my 3700x into my msi x370 gaming pro with no problems. This processor does runs a lot better then my 1700x did. Very happy!!
If you overclock it'd be interesting to see how the x370 can handle the power draw
I believe the motherboard handles the new chip well. I ran Cinebench R15 and my cpu vcore min/max = 1.152v / 1.464v using Precision Boost. I'm not sure what the max is supposed to hit while underload with the 3700x. My min/max clock speeds were 3479mhz / 4408mhz. Cpu didn't go above 38°c. on air cooling. I haven't tried to manually overclock it because this is a gaming rig. Precision Boost on gets you the best performance in games.
@@turbowrx777 1.46V+ is insane ... Jay had a good rant about this in the Gen 3 overclock video. Then again, these might just be spikes and the board seemingly running stable despite it is good news. Still this isn't the critical scenario I hinted at; when running 12 beefy cores around or even over 1.4V permanently, power draw / VRM temps pretty surely will become an issue. Not for you personally but I'm still concerned about my plan to get a x370 mb with a cheap used 1700X now and upgrade to the 3700X later when they drop.
Those IPC tests at 4GHz are interesting. I'd like to see those in the gaming comparison video as well!
Remember you still have the intercore latancy which is vastly improved in Zen2 is still not as good as the 9900k (40's vs 50's (zen1 is about 80ns)).
The most game right now favours to Intel and they love high clock frequency, unfortunately, AMD didn't have it right now. It's a little bit challenging for AMD, game dev should optimize their game for AMD Zen. Zen IPC is above Intel now but the game didn't take advantage of it. AMD latency is another issue that AMD should fix.
yes hi sorry what does he mean by "IPC?" what is an ipc test testing?
thanks :)
@@aryhafidz6122 if AMD didn't focus on multi-thread and productivity then they could have made a cpu with high clock and beat intel. Ryzen 2 is a productivity cpu that can do well in games. the vast majority of gamers don't give a fuck about productivity. AMD must stop making cpu for productivity and sell it to gamers for Christ shake.
Well, regarding memory speeds, according to JEDEC memory standards, 3200 is another base speed of DDR4 as well as 2133, not considered overclock at all.
Aliaksandr Kukrash I'm still on 1333
@@lukalakobrija2771 weird reverse flex but ok
:3900x exists
*intel has left the chat*
3900x barely exists (insanely low availability) and 9900k wins in tons of tasks especially gaming and emulation, so meh. if you need cores and threads you might as well wait for 3950x and hope for availablity before 2020 begins.
@Digitalbumpin bruh, relax its a joke
Thank you Jay nobody else has been every clear on the Ryzen 9 compatibility with A x370 board but you.
Wich timestamp
Tough times for intel.
I hope AMD wont do the same mistake as market leader
Getting market leadership would take another half a decade of Intel doing nothing tho.
Which is entirely possible given the utter retards they got sitting in the big chairs.
History repeats itself.
Give any company enough time at the top, they will all make the same mistake as Intel. When they does happen, the market will demand a company like AMD and they will get the lions share. Then after a number of years at the top. The cycle repeats.
@@killtyrant I dont now. Their CEO seems a bit more earth bound. Maybe, just maybe we get the company we dreamed of.
Look like amd and good stuff but but don’t think intel are doing nothing they got 10 gen coming and desktop 10 gem will come along and ddr5 everyone has forgotten this ddr5 memory has got its pats now and x570 has a lot to prove in chipset design intel are strong in that area .. amd must keep going hope they can I believe they can then future is great for us consumers
It’s finally happening. AMD isn’t just kinda there, good enough, budget option... AMD is finally trading blow for blow with intel, and gaining an edge!. This is huge!
Just a couple of years ago I saw AMD potentially fading away completely. Exciting time.
I mean AMD was just waiting for the right time idk. xd
I know. I’m so excited to build.
Im really glad to see that on my first build I made ALL the right decisions. X470, 3900x, Vega 64 crossfire, 32G Ram,1200w psu, It's alive! I made a monster!
Just putting this here hoping people will see it! It's March 21 2020 and ryzen 3600 and 3600x just went on sale for $160 and $179 respectively on Amazon. Go buy them!
Lol year later an that's exactly when I bought mine! 😂 Although I just got my new one back from amd because the first one just died on me in under a year.
Might want to watch De8auer’s video before you get too excited about overclocking
Just came from there myself...
Shouldn't be too surprising to anyone - consistent high yields are one of the primary benefits of the chiplet approach, and somewhat inconsistent chips(...or artificially low boost clocks...) are the reason why CPUs have clock headroom.
I understand everyone wanting always higher clock speeds, but does everyone 'get' that a lot of headroom isn't a "good thing"?
Well there is just no reason to manually overwrite all the powersaving and boost mechanics by overclocking manually. The performance out of the box is great and changes in the windows scheduler will be a huge benefit to AMD.
@@RyTrapp0 true, in a perfect world the clock would already be pushed as high as stability will allow by the manufacturer so you don't leave performance on the table.
Yes, most definitely do a custom loop for the overclocking bit! It’s definitely becoming more mainstream to watercool hardware so I think it’d be worth the time.
Running amd fx overclock 8350 for 6 years now is the time!!!!
Had the FX 8320 since 2012 and just updated to a 3800x. Let me tell you its a completely different world.You wont regret it.
Same here 😂
1 year later, I'm still using the phenom II 965. Saving myself for Ryzen 4000
same. FX 8370E and the difference is like worlds apart
An additional plus for AMD that reviewers aren't making is how they are not affected by the recent CPU security vulnerabilities like RIDL, ZombieLoad, Fallout, Meltdown, etc, like INTEL CPUs are.
R5 3400G vs 2400G
or R3G etc
thats what we need
@SadEuropean Man next year, when Gen 2 kicks in for them
2400g vs 2400g OC then? waste of time
They delivered a reason to buy a $100 2600 and chill for a while.
A couple more years I'll buy an upgrade package to an RTX 2070 and a 3900x over my GTX 1060 and 2700x
Regarding overclocking.
You'll find that it's hard to OC the 3xxx series.
You can pretty much forget the all core OC unless you're *very* lucky with the chip lottery.
However there's room for quite a bit more performance with PBO overclocking it seems, although there's some differences with the 2xxx series so it's hard to say *exactly* how to get the most out of them.
With the 2xxx series you'd do a negative voltage offset, raise the thermal limit and power limit and you'd get up to a all core max boost equal to the single core max boost.
It seems like it's theoretically possible to get the all core max boost up to 200 MHz above the single core max boost with X570 if you're *really* lucky using PBO overclocking.
Who knows if anyone is able to get that done though...
According to AMDs slides their results where achieved with a core temperature at 60 °C so if you can achieve that then that might help you with your overclocking.
That said, it seems like these chips like to run hot, so reaching that temp might be difficult...
Amd delivered so well. Reminds me of the Athlon xp 3200 + days when Amd was beating it. So happy
AMD is mopping the floor with 9900k
Is this a joke...?
16T VS 24T and barely wins in only the multicore test yes '' mopping the floor'' imagine if it was 24T vs 24T ...
Nahh Intel fanboys
@@magnomliman8114 Say what price? Lol
@@magnomliman8114 lmao intel fanboy
I just love how you know what the comments are going to be before you even post the video. 😂😂😂
It shows you've really gone above and beyond to cover all your bases. Good job Jay!
It’s really kinda absurd how great AMD’s backwards compatibility compared to Intel’s who have been selling Skylakes for four generations in a row already and had the nerve to switch the socket to make upgrading more of a pain. xD
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We love your program keep up the good work
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1977allout het is wel echt geweldig ja
Ben benieuwd naar de ddw prijzen in Nederland bij alternate for instance
Achie010 megekko heeft dezelfde prijzen en is betrouwbaarder
As I was trying to figure out if he really said "2133" I noticed I was literally scratching my head.
^
EXACTLY what I'm screaming about.
I like your videos, but they would be a lot better if they were quite a bit shorter. Watching a simple CPU review takes as long as watching a TV show.
I can’t wait to see Jay actually push these to 4.8+ I thought last gen Ryzen was already clocked really high out of the box based on Steve’s reviews saying AMD didn’t overclock to 5.0 very easily.
I finally have a reason to upgrade from my 4790k. Let's get em AMD!
@@goldoryellow6882 I never said it was old. I render videos as well as game, so now I can render way faster while avoiding Intel CPU exploits.
Woohoo just picked my 3700x. Going from Ryzen 1700 !
I used to be AMD, the first rig I ever built was AMD. The only reason any of us in the Counter-Strike community switched to Intel (2005ish) was because of stability imo. You wanted to be able to run Fraps and games at the same time, this was back then though, now you just record with the GPU. I just switched because I found a good deal and then wanted to run the same socket.
Yes they are, my ryzen 3rd gen is on the way as we speak
Please customize a great water cooling system on the new ryzen. You are the BEST at water cooling🤪
I'm considering upgrading from 1800X to 3900X in a few months. We'll see how it goes.
370 Asus rog strix here so should be ok D.
You need to decorate those electrical boxes a bit, like stick some stickers on them or maybe tape random plushies that smile back at the camera... unless that'll cause a fire.
Looking forward to your next review video on gaming with these CPUs