Hey Joe, just wanted to share... I was right there alongside (way behind) you both last year in Nice and earlier this year in Texas. Both races were dreadful for me, with the latter being my first DNF in 20 years of racing. But to give it perspective, this was after the best race of my life - a 30+ minute PR in IM TX 2023, and after some of the best training/numbers of my life. So it's bears repeating - I think that's just life and racing. You're an amazing talent, you mustn't forget that. I hope, as the stoics say, the obstacle becomes the way forward for you. Best wishes.
Having the right coach could help you become a world champion. Chrissie Wellington, Gustav & Kristian, Lucy CB, Jan Frodeno, Roger Federer, all of these champions have a coach. Look how far you’ve come on your own, Massive victories and course records. With a coach you can become The best. Onward ✊
You've made the right decision Joe. Need to look after yourself first and foremost and also your family need you at 100% too! Looking forward to the comeback next year! 💪
Solid Joe, appreciate the authenticity. I recently had a mishap whilst out training on my bike, ACL,PLC & MCL. An opportunity to pivot going forward i guess, adversity and challenges bring positive change and strength..💪
Joe - You have tremendous talent and this is, to your point, a rough patch. Stress is stress no matter if it is as a result of training or what life throws at you outside of training. It strikes me that it did just accumulate and contributed to how you are feeling. Therefore, you should be proud of your decision to take a break and rebuild. If you did engage a coach I think it should be one that provides the objectivity you might need to hold you back so you do not end up training too hard so close to race day. We are proud of you. It takes courage to post this type of video.
Echo Mabon’s comment on little one’s arrival. Huge adjustment and added stress levels….easy to think it doesn’t impact you but you no longer have a singular focus in life, which is key for a pro. Realising that and re building now the little one is more manageable might help sort you out! Becoming a parent is the most rewarding but also challenging event in anyone’s life…
Joe, take the time out that you need! You need to reset and refocus! You’re a machine and you’ll bounce back stronger than before! Keep your head high mate!
Take a break and rediscover the love for this amazing sport. And if not then that is ok too. We would deeply miss you though;-) you add and give so much to the sport, you are one of the funniest and most honest athletes - making us agegroupers love and enjoy the sport. Cheers mate
Hey Joe I'm here watching your videos for years, you're a great guy, honest, smart, assertive you can only get better ! Sometimes life put some obstacles to overcome so you can become even better in every area of your life. About the swimming coach I would advise you something a bit weird at first : -Try getting a synchronized swimming coach (they are mostly females) : Why ? 1) She will definetely not have the triathlon mentality so she will not interfer in your performance side, only your technique from the purest point of view 2) Not a competitive mindset can be helpful from a coach when you are already a high pressure guy, being surrounded of high pressure coaches can break your mindset 3) Synchronised swimmers are not the fastest swimmers but they are definitely the MOST effective swimmers, watch all the females swimming a 1:15 / 100m crawl without any muscle (they are not the muscular type) and any difficulty. They really swim like dolphins it's insane. In fact some of them are long distance swimmers (8k+ per session) without being Leon Marchand I got an epiphany when I met my last synchronised swimming coach 2 years ago I miss her a lot. I went from 1:45 /100m on my half IM to 1:25 / 100m on the full IM lanzarote in 2022. Funny thing is : I actually swam 130km / year and had ONLY 3k / week with my coach. Other sessions were alone or with triathlons guys. Within one session I was getting so much sensations in the water, weird exercises, weird templates I really felt different in the water. Having even one session like this in the week and having some other traditional triathlon sessions during the week was really a good combination. Enjoy your journey and keep sharing it with us :) Cheers
Fair play Joe. Had a similar year to yourself and I haven't raced at all. Taking time out til 2025. Regroup and get back on it. Wishing you the best. Nice Blakely jumper by the way! On The Ball City! 😊
Joe, I'd love to see you get back on top form. Have you considered that the downturn in performance roughly correlates with the arrival of the little one? It's a massive adjustment and maybe you're just not quite there with that yet... Something to consider! Also I would urge you to seriously consider getting a coach. There is a reason it is a profession and people are successful at it. Someone like Dan Plews I think would suit you as he is very data & analytically driven, but it's also about how the personalities merge. I think with coaches the real benefit is they can have an OBJECTIVE opinion on your situation, as a self coached athlete its impossible to do this and I can hear from what you're saying you are trying to figure things out and second guessing some decisions, trying to go back and repeat what worked in the past. I really think the right coach, after a bit of proper rest, could really be the difference to get you back on Kona winning form!! Take your time to pick the right one, and give it a go for 6 months. What do you have to lose?
I kind of understand your point, but coaches literally can't have an objective opinion. Objectivity is based on facts. Opinions are personal views or judgements. So that doesn't make any sense at all.
I’m not going to lie, I’ve never been a Ryan treadway fan. It’s my opinion that he has always talked too much bull shit but I’m no English teacher so who knows. You don’t need a coach Joe you already know sports science and physiology isn’t some dark art with a secret recipe. It’s so personalised and half the time the break down is trying to convey how your feeling physically and mentally to a coach where if your setting the training your self then you know how you’re feeling so you can just adapt it as you go. Stress is stress your body doesn’t discriminate . Training volume, intensity,frequency, life , sleep, travel.etc Look forward to you back in the mix after a rest and refresh. #skipper2.0
yes mate, just listening to you talk it sounds like just having a coach to bounce all your thoughts and feelings would help tremendously. Remember a coach does more than just program workouts. They are there to get the best out of you all the time and will make more rational decisions rather than bouncing from race to race, or training style to training style. wish you the best :)
Maybe a silly question but have you had any blood analysis done? Big fan and just want to see you smash it mate. Hopefully you’ll get there and maybe a coach might help, even if it’s just to bounce ideas if one another.
This man is really going to die on this hill. Keep doing what you’ve always done, and get what you’ve always gotten. Anyways, I’m a fan - would love to see you find success again, self-coached or coached. Also, side note - Ferrari guy seems like a knob
Hi Jo It's Mark from LRR I'm 61 now and still do Triathlons Best advice I can give you Best to under train and feel fresh at the start then to over train and feel nacked at the start. Leeds as you know have a great Tri training and swimming coaches to.All the best Mark
Hi Joe, definitely a good decision this time off. When you ran past me (spectating) Swansea I thought you were rapid and wondered how anyone could have the stamina for a full after that. Do you think it was too much? Not enough taper? Love the idea of a coach but can you find one that is getting other pro’s results? Can Max get you in? As for the swimming. You get great times in the pool. I think if you did what Ari Klau or Lionel has done with a massive season block then I think you will smash it. I’m sure you will come back from this.
An external view can help, but it has to be someone you trust. I’d suggest through the new league style format for long course tri that you are simply racing too much to be expecting podiums and it’s grinding you down.
I drive a Bugette 🥖. Have you tried training 45 hours a week? Might be the missing link to your training. I think you should do a 10km time trial each week too.
I haven't watched the video yet, but all you need to do is start swimming more and do threshold swim workouts. I watch you do all these really long bike workouts and crush them, but I never see you do any threshold swim videos. You can't be down over 6 minutes in an ironman swim bro. Come on Joe, you got this. Let's g000!
Hi Joe, that health scare was a real worry, I remember the video. You’ve got a lovely little family so why don’t you really take some time off. Try something else for a year and come back to it. Maybe become mr park run, take part in club TT’s. Nothing with any pressure, just bragging rights. Stop existing to compete and live the great life you’ve built up. Come back with real hunger 👊🏻
Roth with 2:41 run then only 4 weeks later win at LP IM. The physiologic hole that you dug could easily take months to a year before you would fully recover. The emotional stress of the wrong turn at IM Texas was equivalent to the physiological stress had you completed the race, so no wonder the ITU race went poorly.
I am. going through exactly the same right now. totally depressed after a few races where I pulled out. don't know what to do. any advice also appreciated
I hope you recover soon. Imagine you're a cyclist pedalling along the road and half a dozen sports cars come hammering past at speed. Not cycle friendly .
My take away from this is that the fella in the Castrol shirt must be really brave to appear in the video wearing such a clash and poor taste in clothing 😂
You are an exceptional athlete Joe but your performances might be dampered due to travelling mainly flying through time zones etc. Those circadian rhythms, routines and stress from travelling is no joke
You've had a lot going on and most of these results are explicable - mechanical, wrong turn, health issues, etc. You don't need a day-to-day coach, but it sounds from what you said you could benefit from an adviser who is looking over the big picture. This might have helped you identify the errors that you said you made in training. Anyway, you're the expert and who am I? Best of luck with getting back into things.
@@stevewilson1544 no as my best performances would still podium and win a lot of ironman races. I just haven’t performed like i can and like my training has shown. It’s just doing on race day and executing what i have seen in training.
Joe u cant see what others can see from outside Try a coach or at least a consultant so u can have another look to your Volume,intensity ,and recovery Your body cant take all this trainnig for so long
It's weird to hear you talking about "tough times" and "mental struggles" and "don't be afraid to talk about it, reach out etc." when often when somebody else talks about mental struggles you laugh and joke about it. I remember even when I posted about my mental health issues about 1.5-2 years ago, your buddy took it and made it a laughing stock at your podcast. You were both making fun of poor ol' struggling age-group triathletes and "oh such a hard life etc." Wish you all the best, but it's weird when things come around...
I have lost respect for you. I think you are a great racer and I like your approach to triathlon. However your love for speeding around country roads is typical of someone who has no regard for other road users safety!! 😢
Im not a skipper fan. Never have been. Not goid to see you struggle but ive akways thought you over trained way to much. Im no coach though so who knows but all kf this makes me think i was on to something
Kudos Joe, this could not have been easy to record. I sincerely hope the time out is the answer and you bounce back strong. Hang in there 🐶
Hey Joe, just wanted to share... I was right there alongside (way behind) you both last year in Nice and earlier this year in Texas. Both races were dreadful for me, with the latter being my first DNF in 20 years of racing. But to give it perspective, this was after the best race of my life - a 30+ minute PR in IM TX 2023, and after some of the best training/numbers of my life. So it's bears repeating - I think that's just life and racing. You're an amazing talent, you mustn't forget that. I hope, as the stoics say, the obstacle becomes the way forward for you. Best wishes.
Having the right coach could help you become a world champion. Chrissie Wellington, Gustav & Kristian, Lucy CB, Jan Frodeno, Roger Federer, all of these champions have a coach. Look how far you’ve come on your own, Massive victories and course records. With a coach you can become
The best. Onward ✊
"Why do we fall Bruce ?" 😬 Keep at it Joe 👊🏼🙏
You've made the right decision Joe. Need to look after yourself first and foremost and also your family need you at 100% too! Looking forward to the comeback next year! 💪
We have a different circle of friends. If I had a car meet it would be full of transits and vw passatts 😂😂😂
Solid Joe, appreciate the authenticity. I recently had a mishap whilst out training on my bike, ACL,PLC & MCL. An opportunity to pivot going forward i guess, adversity and challenges bring positive change and strength..💪
I look at bikes like Joe looks at cars…. Dreaming “maybe one day” 😂
Keep chin up mate! Good extended break will spark some form back
Joe - You have tremendous talent and this is, to your point, a rough patch. Stress is stress no matter if it is as a result of training or what life throws at you outside of training. It strikes me that it did just accumulate and contributed to how you are feeling. Therefore, you should be proud of your decision to take a break and rebuild. If you did engage a coach I think it should be one that provides the objectivity you might need to hold you back so you do not end up training too hard so close to race day. We are proud of you. It takes courage to post this type of video.
Brilliant words at the end of the video Joe - it’s about resetting and remembering your why 🙏
Have you tried eating more eggs?
More bananas, 50 a day 💪
Of course not he’s got integrity
😂😂😂😂
Echo Mabon’s comment on little one’s arrival.
Huge adjustment and added stress levels….easy to think it doesn’t impact you but you no longer have a singular focus in life, which is key for a pro.
Realising that and re building now the little one is more manageable might help sort you out! Becoming a parent is the most rewarding but also challenging event in anyone’s life…
Joe, take the time out that you need! You need to reset and refocus! You’re a machine and you’ll bounce back stronger than before! Keep your head high mate!
All we want Joe is for you to be racing and loving it! That’s all!
Take a break and rediscover the love for this amazing sport. And if not then that is ok too. We would deeply miss you though;-) you add and give so much to the sport, you are one of the funniest and most honest athletes - making us agegroupers love and enjoy the sport. Cheers mate
A hard decision but the right decision. All of the age group triathletes look up to you as a strong and fantastic bloke and athlete!
Top man Joe. Can’t wait to see you back racing. Training day be great and show you coming back to full fitness 😊
Form is temporary class is forever your a true professional and inspire me. Like a dream come true watching you at swansea
Hey Joe I'm here watching your videos for years, you're a great guy, honest, smart, assertive you can only get better ! Sometimes life put some obstacles to overcome so you can become even better in every area of your life.
About the swimming coach I would advise you something a bit weird at first :
-Try getting a synchronized swimming coach (they are mostly females) : Why ?
1) She will definetely not have the triathlon mentality so she will not interfer in your performance side, only your technique from the purest point of view
2) Not a competitive mindset can be helpful from a coach when you are already a high pressure guy, being surrounded of high pressure coaches can break your mindset
3) Synchronised swimmers are not the fastest swimmers but they are definitely the MOST effective swimmers, watch all the females swimming a 1:15 / 100m crawl without any muscle (they are not the muscular type) and any difficulty. They really swim like dolphins it's insane. In fact some of them are long distance swimmers (8k+ per session) without being Leon Marchand
I got an epiphany when I met my last synchronised swimming coach 2 years ago I miss her a lot. I went from 1:45 /100m on my half IM to 1:25 / 100m on the full IM lanzarote in 2022.
Funny thing is : I actually swam 130km / year and had ONLY 3k / week with my coach. Other sessions were alone or with triathlons guys. Within one session I was getting so much sensations in the water, weird exercises, weird templates I really felt different in the water. Having even one session like this in the week and having some other traditional triathlon sessions during the week was really a good combination.
Enjoy your journey and keep sharing it with us :)
Cheers
We love you Joe❤
Fair play Joe. Had a similar year to yourself and I haven't raced at all. Taking time out til 2025. Regroup and get back on it. Wishing you the best. Nice Blakely jumper by the way! On The Ball City! 😊
Well said Joe at the end, keep going 💪👍
Joe, I'd love to see you get back on top form. Have you considered that the downturn in performance roughly correlates with the arrival of the little one? It's a massive adjustment and maybe you're just not quite there with that yet... Something to consider! Also I would urge you to seriously consider getting a coach. There is a reason it is a profession and people are successful at it. Someone like Dan Plews I think would suit you as he is very data & analytically driven, but it's also about how the personalities merge. I think with coaches the real benefit is they can have an OBJECTIVE opinion on your situation, as a self coached athlete its impossible to do this and I can hear from what you're saying you are trying to figure things out and second guessing some decisions, trying to go back and repeat what worked in the past. I really think the right coach, after a bit of proper rest, could really be the difference to get you back on Kona winning form!! Take your time to pick the right one, and give it a go for 6 months. What do you have to lose?
I kind of understand your point, but coaches literally can't have an objective opinion. Objectivity is based on facts. Opinions are personal views or judgements. So that doesn't make any sense at all.
@@thomasyoung4388 ok Shakespeare, rephrase it to an objective position or an external opinion. It’s not hard to understand what I mean 😂
Hit up Tim Floyd with Magnolia Masters/Swim Easy Speed. He's legit with tons of street cred.
Get a coach boi….nothing to loose
Band camp will treat you right mate 🏕️
I’m not going to lie, I’ve never been a Ryan treadway fan. It’s my opinion that he has always talked too much bull shit but I’m no English teacher so who knows.
You don’t need a coach Joe you already know sports science and physiology isn’t some dark art with a secret recipe. It’s so personalised and half the time the break down is trying to convey how your feeling physically and mentally to a coach where if your setting the training your self then you know how you’re feeling so you can just adapt it as you go.
Stress is stress your body doesn’t discriminate . Training volume, intensity,frequency, life , sleep, travel.etc
Look forward to you back in the mix after a rest and refresh. #skipper2.0
I didn’t understand this comment at all under about 5 mins later 🤣
yes mate, just listening to you talk it sounds like just having a coach to bounce all your thoughts and feelings would help tremendously. Remember a coach does more than just program workouts. They are there to get the best out of you all the time and will make more rational decisions rather than bouncing from race to race, or training style to training style.
wish you the best :)
Maybe a silly question but have you had any blood analysis done? Big fan and just want to see you smash it mate. Hopefully you’ll get there and maybe a coach might help, even if it’s just to bounce ideas if one another.
Rooting for ya Joe.
Get after it Joe!!
Hi Joe, George Taplin, may be a good shout for the swim technique support.
Rest is so important Joe. Awesome cars mate! Hope to see you at Cairns 2025.
Maybe our need a sport physiologist- don’t underestimate the changes when you start a family
This man is really going to die on this hill. Keep doing what you’ve always done, and get what you’ve always gotten. Anyways, I’m a fan - would love to see you find success again, self-coached or coached.
Also, side note - Ferrari guy seems like a knob
@@Gws525 if Ferrari guy is a knob what the hell is Castrol GTX T shirt man?
He was actually super nice. I thought he would be at first but he was very humble and passionate about cars
@@EpicNovA97 I guess you should never judge a book by it’s cover. Just jealous I guess that I couldn’t even afford the deposit for a Ferrari!
Hi Jo
It's Mark from LRR I'm 61 now and still do Triathlons Best advice I can give you Best to under train and feel fresh at the start then to over train and feel nacked at the start.
Leeds as you know have a great Tri training and swimming coaches to.All the best Mark
Brave Joe. Well done you.
100% taking a step back to is the way to steps forward.
Nice Video Joe. Its the journey not the destination 😊
Get a training video up always inspiring and be good to see your new journey
Hi Joe, definitely a good decision this time off. When you ran past me (spectating) Swansea I thought you were rapid and wondered how anyone could have the stamina for a full after that. Do you think it was too much? Not enough taper?
Love the idea of a coach but can you find one that is getting other pro’s results? Can Max get you in?
As for the swimming. You get great times in the pool. I think if you did what Ari Klau or Lionel has done with a massive season block then I think you will smash it. I’m sure you will come back from this.
An external view can help, but it has to be someone you trust. I’d suggest through the new league style format for long course tri that you are simply racing too much to be expecting podiums and it’s grinding you down.
After listening to your account of the mistakes you’ve made I am more convinced than ever that a coach could help you.
Just sent you a Strava message Joe. Not sure if you receive mine as you've blanked me before!!🤣🤣🤣
Joe, reach out to Jodie Swallow. She's in Bath. She does swim clinics and has really really helped my swim speed and form!
Great video, at this stage I would search for sports psychologist to work with. Sure it is worth trying. It is normal that you’re going through. ❤
Over training, bit more balance you'll be right 😎
I drive a Bugette 🥖. Have you tried training 45 hours a week? Might be the missing link to your training. I think you should do a 10km time trial each week too.
I haven't watched the video yet, but all you need to do is start swimming more and do threshold swim workouts. I watch you do all these really long bike workouts and crush them, but I never see you do any threshold swim videos. You can't be down over 6 minutes in an ironman swim bro. Come on Joe, you got this. Let's g000!
Youve got this!
Hi Joe, that health scare was a real worry, I remember the video. You’ve got a lovely little family so why don’t you really take some time off. Try something else for a year and come back to it. Maybe become mr park run, take part in club TT’s. Nothing with any pressure, just bragging rights. Stop existing to compete and live the great life you’ve built up. Come back with real hunger 👊🏻
go Joe!!
Roth with 2:41 run then only 4 weeks later win at LP IM. The physiologic hole that you dug could easily take months to a year before you would fully recover. The emotional stress of the wrong turn at IM Texas was equivalent to the physiological stress had you completed the race, so no wonder the ITU race went poorly.
Taking a rest is a good thing 👍. Oh and, hope those supercars didn't knock any cyclists off their bikes ;)
Try Effortless Swimming. Despite being Aussies they are very good.
I am. going through exactly the same right now. totally depressed after a few races where I pulled out. don't know what to do. any advice also appreciated
Haven't heard you mention anything about nutrition changes or upgrades? Either on or off the course.
The answer is Ferrari what’s the question!
What about Jodie Cunnama in UK? Defo knows her stuff! Also worth getting Iron levels checked.
A true British Lion el
Thought you had a decent result in Swansea mate! Not top 3 but solid race
Kiddos joe
my buddy has the swim paddles thing. It works well but $. They even brake down your stroke. With video conferencing.
Take on a few lower hanging fruits Joe to build your confidence back up again
Couple of local triathlons before the end of the season?
Just posted a few links to people I’ve come across who are really good- probably worth considering specialist support especially nutrition
I will coach you
Chin up, keep going.
Love the self incrimination edit! “60” 😅
Get an established coach mate , fresh start.
LS has to be your coach
GT4 is nice but don’t like the Ferrari - they’re shite handling and overpriced. Your M5 is the best daily: fast and comfortable
Would you go after a marathon pb?
swimstroke in nottinghamshire Joe
Hi mate speak to stu Haynes and Michelle Dillon for swimming etc… wishing you the best 😊
Shame about the unnecessary driving of cars. I do turbo with my breathing inside my t-shirt to promote hypoxic. I'm sure I've raised my crit
Yes. Your ego needs to be deflated. Get humble, get a coach. Win more.
What! I though you had one
I hope you recover soon.
Imagine you're a cyclist pedalling along the road and half a dozen sports cars come hammering past at speed. Not cycle friendly .
Retirement is fine
My take away from this is that the fella in the Castrol shirt must be really brave to appear in the video wearing such a clash and poor taste in clothing 😂
Wold love to know his thought process when choosing that to wear!
You are an exceptional athlete Joe but your performances might be dampered due to travelling mainly flying through time zones etc. Those circadian rhythms, routines and stress from travelling is no joke
🐶 🐶 🐶 ♥
😎
TriDot Pool School will make you faster in the water
While you’re at it, why not give the TriDot program a try. It may prevent you from overtraining based on your analytics.
You've had a lot going on and most of these results are explicable - mechanical, wrong turn, health issues, etc. You don't need a day-to-day coach, but it sounds from what you said you could benefit from an adviser who is looking over the big picture. This might have helped you identify the errors that you said you made in training. Anyway, you're the expert and who am I? Best of luck with getting back into things.
i can help with swimming im in USA
Wof wof
I think you need to get a coach, it sounds like you need someone to tell you when to recover. Sound people out and find someone you get on with.
Talk to effortless swimming (Brenton)
With the utmost respect, do you think other athletes have just excelled and edged past you?
@@stevewilson1544 no as my best performances would still podium and win a lot of ironman races. I just haven’t performed like i can and like my training has shown. It’s just doing on race day and executing what i have seen in training.
@@joeskipper91 Ok. I look forward to seeing you get back to that level - all the best!
Joe u cant see what others can see from outside
Try a coach or at least a consultant so u can have another look to your Volume,intensity ,and recovery
Your body cant take all this trainnig for so long
You need to start eating more eggs
It's weird to hear you talking about "tough times" and "mental struggles" and "don't be afraid to talk about it, reach out etc." when often when somebody else talks about mental struggles you laugh and joke about it.
I remember even when I posted about my mental health issues about 1.5-2 years ago, your buddy took it and made it a laughing stock at your podcast. You were both making fun of poor ol' struggling age-group triathletes and "oh such a hard life etc."
Wish you all the best, but it's weird when things come around...
Go carnivore Joe 🥩
I have lost respect for you. I think you are a great racer and I like your approach to triathlon. However your love for speeding around country roads is typical of someone who has no regard for other road users safety!! 😢
Im not a skipper fan. Never have been. Not goid to see you struggle but ive akways thought you over trained way to much. Im no coach though so who knows but all kf this makes me think i was on to something
Big fan of you, mate. If you need a coach, just send me an email and we try to manage it out together.