Towing with my Ford Lightning EV Pickup was a TOTAL DISASTER!
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I'm sure everyone (except Ford) appreciates you demonstrating Lightning's towing capacity.
Towing capacity is huge, problem is range.
You mean INCAPACITY?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
EVs suck at Towing ... only an idiot would do it.
Even ford has said its not the best thing out there for towing so I'm sure they don't mind
Just buy a model X
Getting 25% of total range while towing has been par for the course with every test I’ve seen of the Lightning.
With IC engines, the efficiency is so poor that you don't even really notice too great a difference since so little of it actually makes it to the wheels. With these electric vehicles its betting the entire farm it will be able to use things like good electrical efficiency and regenerative braking in stop and go traffic to help it save face. Out on the highway with a big box dragging along behind it? Nope. It'll suck juice faster than someone's AC out in the middle of the desert.
@@mysock351C LoL
True
Wonder what would have happened if Hoovie had limited his speed to 55mph? Makes me think there's going to be 70s-style national 'double-nickel' speed limits coming soon.
@mysock351C Hurtful, because it empowers scum trolls, but still true(unlike the OP).
Check out Transport Evolved's video on it. They went from Oregon to Colorado and back while towing.
The guy in this video glossed right over how he was getting better than 30mpge while towing in the rain going over 70mph.
Empty, like how he said most people will be driving it most of the time, he was getting 70mpge or better.
Try finding a charging station that you can pull into with a trailer.
This is very interesting, and also obvious with hindsight. You could have 4 passengers in the cab and some tools in the back and that's 1500 lbs easily.
The problem is not the weight, it's the air resistent.
Installing solar panels on top of the truck cabin should do the trick😄
Called this as being an issue when people were saying they would replace whole fleet of construction, labor, and other work trucks that require heavy loads or towing. So many people said “electric trucks would handle towing easier because all the torque the electric engines have”
Maybe if the entire truck bed is filled with lithium batteries lol. The only downside is that each contractor will need to pay $300,000 to afford a truck with sufficient lithium battery, so now your plumber will need to charge $500/hr.
@@AutisticMorty There are also weight restrictions even for non commercial trucks. Adding more battery reduces payload and adds more weight making it less efficient than a small light weight EV.
70 miles is still actually enough for most fleet vehicle usage. 70 miles is a worst case scenario under worst loads.
On-site construction vehicles, parts delivery trucks for auto-parts shops/stores, etc. Thats what people are talking about. The vast majority of fleet vehicles in service today are not towing multi-thousand pound loads all day.
@@CarlWiles that's 70 miles roundtrip, so only 35 miles in each direction. That's one trip through a metro area end to end. If you have multiple stops that day, you already need to recharge.
not on this truck and this generation of battery + motor for now. It will improve over time until it gets to a range of 500mile, then it will be usable for most buyers. Remember first generation Nissan Leaf with 80 miles range? I didn't even look until those EVs that can go around 300miles range. The torque is still good on EV vs gas. Range not yet. Don't mix things up.
Why did you do this on the small battery pack? One would assume anyone who is actually gonna tow with one of these would insist on the larger battery pack for obvious reasons. It looks like you used about 65% of the 98kWh battery (~64kWh) total for this trip, which would be around 48% w/ the larger battery. If you got the right battery and then also elected to just go ahead and slow down to 60-65mph while towing you would probably be able to have towed both trips (obviously also need a wider trailer tho). Anyways, this is definitely the downside to EV trucks, towing range is abysmal, however it is better if you buy the right battery and drive a little slower...
Good to know. I’ll keep my 7.3, until they pry it from my dead corpse.
Could not care less about the lightning, but super jelly about the nice looking model A 😀
Just tow the EV with the Model A.
You should do this in winter using the heater. Watch the range get even worse
Or in summer with the air on.
@@alpacker2741 AC isn't as much of an issue as the heat. EV owner here.
There was a guy on tv he got the 50k mustang says it starts but car can’t heat at -15c so the windows stays frozen
@@bobmorane2082 What kind of desolate frozen hellscape is -15c?
@@tehScribbles a normal Québec morning
I like how you cant reliably predict your distance, and its subject to change with the weather and minimal weight introduced. We all know how good people are at planning, cant foresee any issues with this.
The interior is really quiet, especially when you are parked at a charging station.
hahaha
roflll
Nice.
GOOD ONE !!
Until it explodes.
Probably would a been a better test of using the model a to tow the lighting
That's the test I want to see. It may be slower but I bet the range is better. And you don't have to wait for it to charge, just dump fuel in it.
Can you purchase a dictionary and then start writing comments?
@@MikoOhneHose you have to know how to spell the word to look it up....is this poor grammar?
Um, it might pull it... but would it have the braking power to stop it in less than a mile?
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Imagine if you were in cold weather.
It shouldn't affect it too much. The heater is heat pump not restrictive so it uses no more power than the heat pump does while operating in cooling mode.
Or driving on long grades
The batteries will shut down if they go below 32F, so in the winter they will always have to be heated.
Not really. The batteries generate heat just from having power pulled out of them. Heating the battery is mostly a thing that's necessary to do right before (fast) charging, to speed up that process.
Exactly, folks who failed any science class they ever took making decisions on electrical engineering for the entire country
Could see this coming before these things hit the road. A lot of hype behind most of these EVs.
THe Li-ion batter technology is terrible. There has to be something better in the works!
@@amramjose Elon and others are working on a better battery all the time because they can see the downside of these Li-Ions, but it might be a while before a better one is invented. One that is safer for the environment and will charge more quickly as not to overwhelm power companies as much as these Li-Ions. Plus some big auto companies like Toyota are still investigating other cleaner forms of energy like hydrogen.
@@amramjoseyeah it’s called hydrogen
@@ginginthing Sodium ion (salt) according to Elon yesterday.
I'd like to see this test in the hills and mountains.
l'm sure you would be looking at 1/4th of what he got here on flat ground. 50 feet or 15 minutes, which ever comes first. Don't get me wrong, l love Fords but not this POS!
Better be a small hill and mountain. You’ll never make it back.
I was thinking the same thing! That was on the highway and it did that bad, I couldn't imagine it going up a mountain.
As long as there are several charging stations along the way, and you have a few days to kill... 😆
would need to be sure to have a towing service lined up to come get both the EV pickup and its trailer
Maybe if the windshield wipers were turned off, the truck might get a few more miles 😂
And no radio
@@amarreder6241 "Does it have bluetooth?" "Yeah, but don't use it unless you are planning to not drive anywhere."
😆 winner
Not driving 70+ mph (unless posted otherwise) as well
@@RuralTowner That is the legal speed limit in a lot of areas. If the mileage is going to be so incredibly bad just because of that, Ford needs to redesign the Lightning.
Now imagine the temperature is 15 degrees out, your range just went down another half
In a perfect world we all have 100 solar panels, a battery system to store energy and electric vehicles that go 1000 miles on a charge. Common sense tells us only the rich can afford it but they're busy flying around in their private jets. It's a scam.
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Toss In a Colorado 10,000ft mountain pass and she’s toast
@@JohnDoe-lz5un and when your stuck somewhere, you'll need a portable generator powered by, you guessed it, gasoline, to charge the battery
Better yet, what about no range at all, stuck somewhere to freeze to death with no cell service.
TFL trucks did a comparison with the lighting with extended battery and a gas motor. Both towing a 7200lbs trailer. The lighting needed to be recharged at 70 miles.
Yeah saw that too! 70 miles. Lol
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@@LasVegas68 And then there's the issue of finding a charging station that you can get the truck and trailer into! LOL
Must have been those windshield wipers that used up the energy. Lol
Cops in UK got rid of their EV patrol cars because the lights and sirens ate the batteries up.
Accessories don't use the drive battery. EVs have the same 12V battery ICE cars have that power accessories. It's a tiny amount of power.
8k screen uses 60% of battery, and gives you covid...
It’s going to take us a while to learn EV’s, we have had combustion cars for over a century.
He had a jacket on, was he running the heater inside the car, that reduces range.
In the cold the battery packs need to be warmed to work properly that also reduces range.
I don’t know if any of this contributed to result but the computer should have been able calculate the range.
Along with the tires spinning!
Note to self: "Don't buy an EV truck to do truck things."
Thanks Tyler!
My platinum will do everything that my 2014 F150 could do and much much cheaper without requiring any maintenance.
Don’t buy THAT truck. The rest of the EV market has nothing to do with THAT trucks super poor performance in this test.
@@NorthernChev no all electric vehicles are pretty bad at towing
@@pstoneking3418 ~ No maintenance? Are you joking or just don't know anything about vehicles?
@@NorthernChev watch TFL test towing with a Tesla. Same sort of results.
Add an 10 ft tall x 8 ft wide travel trailer behind it and all this falls apart even faster.
This even applies to other Ford products (and towing performance in general), for example the Ranger supposedly tows up to 7500lbs, but the fine print on the Ford website says max frontal sq ft of a trailer for the Ranger is 55 sq ft. So 7500lbs of lumber on a low trailer is OK, but only pop up and teardrop campers apparently. As you pointed out, even a small travel trailer of
pffff...
TFL truck did a test on the Ike gauntlet.... It was ugly!
@@JohnDoe-qz1ql Seriously, that is what Ford lists as max frontal area on the current Ranger, probably so they can turn down warranty work. I am sure the Ranger is capable of exceeding that value, but nonetheless, Ford says 55sq ft is the max. Here is a capture I just made from Ford's own towing guide to the Ranger: ruclips.net/video/m3PHxcg_y8c/видео.html
@@jg8263 What the hell are you on about? I never denied anything.
This is hilarious! I suppose it's time to add some fine print to the truck's ads: "Your towing mileage will be absolutely abysmal, so plan on using a friend's truck with a regular internal combustion engine."
The first problem of buying an electric pickup to tow heavy loads is the fact you bought an EV to tow heavy loads.
EDIT: Oh, God, what have I done?
But Greta Thornburg said it would all work just fine. She’s an electrical engineer, right? She fully understands electric generation, transmission, and distribution, right? Electric vehicles are for golf courses. Fossil fuels are organic and wonderful.
But why did they make an EV pickup then? People with small PP could compensate or..?
Great Norm style joke.
@@CitarNosis317 It is the ultimate parking lot princess without all the insane fuel costs, sadly, that is a larger market than you might believe. It can do light towing relatively fine, if you just wanna tow a jet ski or dirt bike to somewhere local you're still OK but yea....road trip towing...fuck no.
@@ozarkliving7263 The ironic thing is that EV's use electricity generated by fossil fuels.
I would have laughed my ass off if you had hooked the trailer up to the Raptor and towed the Lightning back.
@Pierson, it would've been the best if he towed the EV back with the Model A... 🤣
Put the model T in the back of the lightning load them on the trailer and use the Raptor to pull it all back.
@@zenithperigee7442 with the smaller battery the lightning weighs somewhere around three tons I believe is what I read somewhere. I don't know if the model T would pull it but that would be cool if it could.
That’s funny. Although that’s more than the raptor is rated to tow.
Perfect idea 💡 Einstein!
TFL truck tested the larger battery F150 and they made it
At least with a 7-gallon fuel tank you could fill it up in less than a minute. 🤣
My 96 F250 4wd w/7.5 gas and 5 speed got 12 mpg in 2wd and 8mpg 4wd it didn't matter if I was towing or not, those numbers were constant. Weirdest thing ever! Even towing 10,000 lbs which I only did once it got 12 but I could tell I had a load on the back. It had 2 tanks for a total of 34 gallons I believe.
Less than 100 miles towing is insane!
They were towing 6500lbs
@@ryane6719 Which isn't crazy. It's a boat, tractor, firewood, ect.
@@ryane6719 if you're towing anything really worth your time. It will be atleast 6500 but I'd expect a brand new truck to do twice that and maybe loose 30% of available range
The EV market is just way out of its league
Well, when the battery dies you can tow it home with the Model A
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too funny!
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@@ivanmilensky9408 Not at same speed though.. ;0)
hahaha probably more reliably too
You should have towed the lightning with the model A. You'd have a better milage.
Tow the lightning with the raptor
That's just soooo funny. You nailed it!
😂😂
you'd go further, possibly, but you most definitely are FAR more efficient with the lightning. Before towing far distance with batteries is possible it's going to take some new battery tech to come along. They're great for going short distances and tow better than ICE vehicles, but can't go far.
The Model A is better looking
Given a choice, I will take the ‘30 A pickup without a second thought.
Same! I would sell it then buy a Model S Plaid or another electric car!
I thought the pickup he left behind would end up towing the EV and the model A at the same time to save the day.
Absolutely!!!!
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 🤮
For the Tesla.
Also, I can’t imagine that model a is worth more than $60k in perfect condition.
That's good because you won't be able to but a new gas car very soon.
Once we are all forced into EVs, there will be no leaving home for any meaningful distance. What a great control method !
I’m sure the issue will be fixed by then. Chargers are getting faster too.
I keep reading EV's are going to be an ecological disaster!
The EPA and Democratic Party can try all they want. There’s just not a high enough demand for EVs
Especially when you realize they can shut down your ability to charge your vehicle remotely. Say something bad (but true) about Joe? "We're sorry, your ESG score has dropped to a level that negates your ability to use a simple function as the electrical grid. Have a nice day." Don't think it will happen? Some people think the book, 1984 is just a fiction. The Dims think it's a manual for the future.
Just like us semi truck drivers were forced into semi's that run on DEF for cleaner diesel Emissions. That caused us to deal with higher operating costs because those system are high maintenance.
Basically, the Lightning is good for towing something off your driveway and into the road before it runs out of power
Unless you live on a hill, might make it 1/2 way up the next hill.
The range is crappy towing on all but he used a high trim low range truck.. Also he didn't put it in tow mode.. so the dte calc was way off. Basically the definition of doing it wrong.
@@GhostlyGhille Including my comments, drove too fast, especially in the rain, (dangerously so) and did not set correct conditions period. Ultra poor example.
lmao to true lol
@@GhostlyGhille Not to mention how much power is being eaten up by wipers, heater, lights during a day like that. Most people forget that your Electric Vehicle comes with AC, but when it is on you eat up the battery to stay cool.
Should’ve towed both at the same time with the raptor 😂
Lightening weighs too much for the Raptor to tow
You can, just not very far
That will be the next video lol
@@BCJDM nope...if it weighs around 6200 lbs + trailer 1500 lbs that's under the max towing capacity of 8200 lbs.
@@BCJDM lower gear go slow.
a six pack of craft beer is heaviest thing towed by most people that will buy that truck
Bite me!!!! my IPA's are heavy AF!!!! and theres plenty of room for 1 thicc chic
Or maybe some bricks for the next BLM riot.
1000s of ballots at 3am 😉
@@drowssapma Qanon WWG1WGA.
@@ottisticotters9073 not next time.
I had to transport an item of 70 pounds in a tesla, with me and a co-passenger. it directly decreased the range with 50% (double the mile/kwh then without it). I actually testes also the trip towards it, and then the trip back! More or less if you drive with 4 persons on board you get half the mileage from your chargeload!
Next episode: Welcome to Hoovie's garage where today I'll be doing the unthinkable - towing a Ford Lighting with a Model A!
Thats the next video ahahaha
Criminally underrated comment
Probably would have had better luck using the model a as a tow vehicle
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Was thinking the same thing.
Can't wait to see winter and snow performance numbers on these.
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Lolz
@@TheRealRenn but the cold weather affects battery performance along with snow requiring more energy to drive through. I would hope the battery and motors are sealed units so salt and slush doesn't degrade connections and performance.
yeh, after 25 years of michigan winters like a normal f150. bet they both turn to rust powder just as fast except the gas one will be worth scrap, and not cost extra to dispose of safely.
fuck ford.
@@Steven-yl4lg I'm sure, my post was a bit of sarcasm.
I half expected you to switch out and use the Model A as the tow vehicle!
And that 100 yr old truck WILL go anywhere. And start after another 100 years. something is wrong here.
Genius comment. That deserves a reeeeee
I would be ecstatic to have an EV that checks all the boxes for both work and play, but they are clearly not there yet, and at the prices they are demanding for these trucks its simply not a practical choice for most people who actually use a truck like a truck.
It will never be there. The laws of thermodynamics are set in stone. You can't beat them.
Good thing that the EV pickups only weakness is what made pickups popular,able to work with. :]
That's not what made pick ups popular. 90% of truck owners don't use them for work.
@@kiddhitta I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe.
@@gregorymattison6007 I mean in reality, you don't see many pickup trucks hauling stuff. It's not like we all doing hard work everyday unless your job actually involves hard work. Just look at the dumb squatted trucks in the south
we have to accept that to protect our planet
@@takh6806 how do these EVs protect the planet?
Imagine getting stuck in traffic in the snow for 3 hours
And not able to turn on the heat. 😝
Imagine being off road with it and the battery is discharged. Good luck with that.
@@craigirwin4771 I'm Sorry Dave, I'm Afraid I Can't Do That... lmao. Or if you live in Alaska or out in country.
Just get out the old diesel generator and charge that puppy up.
Stuck in traffic, is where EV’s shine. You only need, a tiny bit of power.
Hoovie, can you do other truck things? Like move a pallet of bricks of a load of dirt to see how payload effects range.
that would interest me too, as you loose a lot of the regenerative braking with a braked trailer plus drag
Just go watch TFL Truck, they've tested it very extensively.
Whistlin Diesel needs to properly torture test one of these
He's not a truck channel. Go watch TFLtruck or TFLev
TFL has done that, and done it well.
I'd like to see the effect of hauling a load of firewood (for example) in the bed as opposed to towing. Can this thing do any truck things at all?
Yes.. you can impress your neighbors driving an ICE truck by showing off how pretty it is.
He’s probably missing the 7.3 Excursion lol!
If you haven't yet look up a video of someone flooring one and recording the fuel gauge.
@@ianmacdonald4163 still longer range than the EV
@@ianmacdonald4163 fuel guages fluctuate all the time as the fuel sloshes around that's not actual fuel consumption
@@bubba99009 yep especially in old fords
@@theowl2044 and a lot faster to “refuel/recharge”.
Wizard's little smirk when first told Hoovie was towing with an EV says it all.
I told wizard that EVs are junk ...he argued with me .. proof is in these facts
@@nickmalone3143 They aren't junk just not any good for towing or anything else that requires a lot of energy. They're really nice for commuter cars and running errands. The auto companies are trying to foist electric pickups on people and they'll work fine for the guys in lifted half tons with low gear ratios who want a brodozer, but not for people who tow or do energy intensive things with them.
EV taxpayer towing
@@nickmalone3143 Nah, it's just the EV crowd isn't done smelling their own farts by putting 4 electric motors on their vehicle with scant other parts and are too proud to go back to a drive train or build 4 transmissions.
After reserving on day 2, I just got the email to order my Lightning. Instead of the 40k Pro I had decided to order, now, the CHEAPEST option is $74,474. The Pro and XLT are marked as 'unavailable'. This was a bait and switch scam by Ford. I'll be sticking with RAM in the future.
You think dodge will be any better???
Imagine the range after you've owned the truck for a couple years then how much for a new battery down the road
The new battery that all EV manufacturers warranty for at least 8 years or more?
If the claimed battery life is proportional to the claimed battery range, you might get 4 years out of a battery. Thank goodness for warranties.
or in the cold winter months.
Regardless of the warranty, the battery degrades over time. Just like in our “smart” phones.
@@maya_coqsalonga so after 8 years the truck goes to the junk yard. My 2006 chevy is still worth 7 grand in condition it is in now. You can't pay me enough money to buy a 10 year old electric truck. The used market will have zero value adding to our waste when we chuck cars and trucks away after 8 years due to 20000 battery replacements
Diesel Generator option will be available soon. It will sit in the frunk 😲
Where did you get that info from? I can’t find anything on that.
@@ic1815 I'm quite certain that was a joke.
@@ic1815 Think he is joking. There will be a power generator option, but in the shape of a truck bed tool box.
@@ic1815 The wonderful source of boundless knowledge... Known as 'common sense'.
Diesel Electric might make a lot of sense. Winning combo for trains.
EVs are toys. The real reason we are being forced this way is to concentrate us into city areas of mass. No need for transportation cars. Just mass transport to limited areas. Takes our right to freely travel away for most.
Apparently EV's are not worth a toot for towing. Thanks for clearing that up.
No vehicle ever gets better mileage while towing. Fu*k all those battery turds. The gm one didn't get far from the dealer before it had to be towed back.
Hoovie - I hope this video doesn’t get demonetized so you can finally afford a second screw for the Hummer’s license plate.
Just imagine if you're having to run air-conditioning or the heater!
Or going against a 30 mph headwind...or a temperature of -20 degrees .
He must of had the heater on. I have a blueitti battery generator it was 1000$ so a nice one. it can power a small window ac unit for 6 hours a full fridge for 30 but it will not power a hair blow dryer. once the heat turns on it "pops the fuse per say" and shuts off.
When something like Ian strikes, you DONT want to be in a EV. Unless you are suicidal, of course.
No one realized the name... Mark Twain?
Especially in traffic.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for saving me from a bad decision.
before this you thought a ev was a good idea?
@@Amer1can1nfidel not all EVs are a bad idea. I agree for this scenario they are.
Liberals so stupid they don't understand air is made of 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, and 1% Hydrogen with 0.05% CO2. To top that off, 99.999999999% of 0.05% of CO2 comes from microorganisms. Every square inch of Earth is microorganisms. Why do you put food inside freezers? Cold temperatures prevent bacterial growth. Same thing with Earth. Temperatures go down, bacterial growth goes down than CO2 goes down and vice versa. Look at any global temperature graph of Earth in billions of years. Temperature always had cyclical change. Always!!. Liberals soo stupid they don't understand what the sun is, which is a fusion reaction of two different isotopes of hydrogen tritium and deuterium overcoming nuclear bonds with gravity, which is extremely inefficient and causes temperature to change.
@@dannyo-dizzle6579 maybe not a bad idea for in-town or short-range driving, but definitely a bad idea for any kind of long distance driving
Just imagine what the range would be if you were towing an average 18 or 22 foot long camper trailer! You should go rent a camper trailer and test that out!
@mizzouxc Just think "what-if" he purchased an Electric Class -A ??? What really gets me....to me at least...It appears to be self-evident that an e-vehicle of whatever construction will have a shocking towing load exponetially crushing the MPG.
there's a video out there just on that topic. They used a gas and EV version to tow two identical 20 ft RVs (borrowed from a dealer) and compared the results.
TFL did that. Lasted 80 miles. Uphill it lasted 12 miles. EV is stupid.
How about towing during a California blackout?
@@ramotinmahazol240 wait what? It did 12 miles from full charge to empty ?!?!
Should have used the Model A to tow the Lightning. Everything would have worked out better.
ROFL best comment
😂😂😂😂😂lmao 👍
Maybe a closer to fair comparison, the f150 is first in a way also, right? Not one of a million cranked out a year like the 100 year old Ford gas vehicle, right?!
Looks real promising for EV semi haulers moving TONS over long distances….
Edison motors has a good solution for semi tractors.
@@JonR_1138 or you could admit that EV's don't work as well as the Lefties want them to
Can you just imagine what that monster battery costs in the semi? I'm guessing at least 100k!
@@JonR_1138 I bet it’s nowhere near good enough though
@@kanehorath7222 here's a link to their RUclips page. They're still testing but it looks promising. Basically the truck is battery powered but it carries its own electric generator to recharge. ruclips.net/channel/UCUEzfzqf2fx3C1vs0MlgShA
How bad would it be with the headlights heater and windshield wipers?
I read an article about someone moving from Detroit to California, and they used their Rivian to tow their Mustang on a trailer. They needed 28 charging stops to go 2700 miles.
Interesting. With a mid size truck too.
@Simon Hsa 😂😂😂 exactly
@Simon Hsa at least California isn't a frozen wasteland
I would have ditched the Rivian on the way and just drove the Mustang.
@@BigWheel. But we have heat, water, and electricity, unlike the People's Republik of Kalifornia..
I can just imagine the Ford executive team watching this video, having heart palpitations...and the amount of work their PR team is going to have on its hands.
They truly don't care. Ev vehicles have been decided on by powers greater than them. It has nothing to do with anything other than controlling where and what people will be able to do in the future.
The latest is having to blow into a breathalyzer to get permission to drive your car even if you're not an alcoholic.
@@starguy9 BINGO!
@@starguy9 100% correct
LOL. it's funny you think this is their worry. they will sell every one of these they make. 90% of the F150 market is for folks who never tow. it's an American status symbol; doubly so as an electric.
I don't know what happened to your camera stabilization at the Wizards but, holy crap I nearly yarfed with all the image jiggle
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The stabilisation on the GoPro is fantastic....until the light drops just a little - ie indoors even in Wizard's garage - then it goes to crap. I'd recommend Hoovie upgrades to a couple of DJI Pocket 2s. Unfortunately you need at least two as they don't have interchangeable batteries so if you want to do a serious session of filming you need at least 2.
Noticed that too, had to skip ahead because I was getting dizzy.
@@mediapark101 The Pockets are great little cameras when paired with an inexpensive battery grip. It nearly triples session length
I can't believe what people complain about...
What a pain. Having to worry about range ahead of time, then losing it unpredictability while towing. I prefer less stress and more headroom in case anything goes wrong. Of course we're in Alaska, but regardless, buy a diesel, full sized spare, top off the tank and carry appropriate emergency gear and you have almost no worries.
Same here in the Philippines. Roads here suck on a good day, during typhoon season I can't tell you how awful it would be driving through farm mud and seeing your battery die
Yeah that's why I'll be keeping my diesel truck, EV is just retarded now.
Meanwhile libs want to force EV on us. Been saying it for some time, it won’t be practical for decades, especially on a massive school.
How do batteries do in the freezing weather ? Or the 120 plus in Arizona ? I don't think their worth it . My friend just replaced batteries in her car it was $29, 000 Installed.
@@--_-_-_-74.. IMO, EV is going to be the new gasoline and Hydrogen is going to be the new diesel. Hydrogen for work, EV for A-B transport.
It's so quiet you can hear the tow truck coming to pick it up from a mile away.
Probably would have got better range if you pulled the ev with the old truck. Maybe slow and less comfortable but you would probably get there lol.
If he runs out of battery he can switch then around.
Now, if the battery gets low enough, you can tow the lightening with the Model A. 😂😂
Literally had an argument with a dealership in regards to our needs and how inefficient these would be for us especially in the winter.
Why would you “argue” with a dealer about that? That’s just stupid. They don’t care which vehicle you buy from them as long as you buy a vehicle from them.
@@thisishowiedewitt76 Lol, you really have no clue do you?
@@thisishowiedewitt76 How is it that no matter what you say on the internet someone finds something wrong with it 😆
Fact is, was a dealer displaying a truck on a video feed. Point was the truck in ev form couldn’t handle or haul for the reasons displayed in this video nor would it be capable of handling a 3k lb skid of ours or a 10k lb trailer when the ratings and ranges were brought up and commercial use mentioned.
Hope this helps understanding the context I didn’t feel was necessary.
Imagine that. That stupid sales person is inexperienced and pure poop
@@thisishowiedewitt76 They have incentive to pitch EVs.
Cold weather test and towing a set of sleds would be a nice test!
Nice test…😂😂😂 laughable here in Michigan ! What a freekin joke !!
This is/was a cold weather test. The moment you take one of these EVs out of the perfect sweet spot for temp you instantly lose range. It only gets worst the further you move away from that sweet spot. A fabulous Canadian Winter day you would see 1/3 of the range gone just because it happens to be -10c outside. The dirty side of EVs no one wants to really talk about. BTW extreme heat like in AZ and Texas where you see days above 100c also destroy the range.
I think you'd see an even more dramatic loss, probably leading to you being towed home.
Or nuclear winter, cuz that's a thing now. The radiation might even help.
You’d be screwed in Wyoming, there’s places you can easily go 80 miles before you see another town.
Being an Electrical Engineer, this is just heart breaking. But not unexpected. Battery technology just isn't there yet.
No knock to you miss. I’m sure your a great electrical engineer. The issue at hand is Ford telling the public this truck gets X amount of range, and in the real world the range is nowhere near the claim. Our government in the United States is pushing EVs and high gas prices and no one is happy. Hoovie surprises me because he bought this truck like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and all I heard on alternative media is the truth about EVs, their real costs, and limited range. 🤷🏻♂️
I guess what I’m saying is maybe you would be a better electrical engineer for Ford than the ones they got. Consider applying there because you seem to have more sense about the reality of EVs than them. 🤔
Have a good one. 🇺🇸
Well, Hoovie did buy the small battery.
Battery tech is further along than this video suggests. The guy chose the F150 lightning with the smallest battery pack.
There shouldn't even be a small battery pack, it's going to spread alot of bad P.R. for Ford if they sell a toy version of their flagship truck.
California says it's good enough, they're making gas engines illegal.
Very nice video with hard data. That said, over 75% of truck owners NEVER have towed a thing with their Truck. Also, Millennials overtake Boomers and Gen X as biggest buyers of pickup trucks in U.S. for first time. Millennials want EV vehicles not because they need to tow, but simply because they "think they are cool". Source: CNBC Michael Wayland editorial.
Ah those pesky laws of physics. Hard to get around them ;)
Wow
Harder when your truck is an EV
Californian politician or bureaucrat: _"To hell with physics, can't they just invent fantasy?"_
Make a video where you just put 2,000 pounds of cargo in the truck like they say you can and see how that affects the mileage.
I want to see this too. I regularly go skiing with 1,400lbs of cargo and passengers and I want to know how that affects range.
@@moderngentlemanschool Yup, I never tow anything, but I would sure like to know how it does up in the mountains with a load of stuff packed in. My Sierra hardly even notices that it's carrying extra weight as far as MPG goes.
I doubt it would affect it much. Pretty much all EVs efficiency loss is due to drag. This explains a lot
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Bump! Great idea
Here's a max payload efficiency test: ruclips.net/video/6oKRfOpZi-Y/видео.html
I keep saying it, but it's all about the aero. On inclines in to the mountains you'll use more energy going up, but you'll regen it going back down, friction losses stay about the same.
I find it funny that the switch to EV's is supposed to be about efficiency and saving the environment and the first thing auto manufacturers do with an EV is make them do sub 3 second in some cases 0-60 times and cost 80-100k when they could be built with more moderate performance in mind and higher mileage to charge while costing less for the general population.
Performance is exactly the reason I bought the Model 3 Performance edition. The environment will take care of itself, but 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, wicked handling, and cool software are what makes an EV worth every dime.
That old ford pickup is absolutely beautiful
Great real world test. Another test would be to put a load (e.g 1000lb) in the rear tub and see what impact that has on range. Most reviewers (not you) test EV range with only the driver on board. I am yet to see a range test with an EV carrying passengers and their luggage. I want to see this for sure👍
A reviewer did the payload test with the Lightning and the R1T. I believe the channel was out of spec reviews
I believe that the range is impacted as much by the aerodynamic drag and road friction as it is by the increased mass. I am not against the whole EV concept. They have a role to play in the mix of choices. But, the notion of a half ton truck EV is ludicrous given the cost and limited useability.
The Ford Lightning is proof that, just like the idea of a 600 lb fashion model, just because you CAN do it doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it. I feel bad for Ford, it feels like they are hurtling down the wrong path.
I've got a Mitsubishi PHEV and range drops by about 10% when loaded with four people, so it's not horrendous. The real killer is cold weather - when we get near freezing I don't bother charging it as the range drops to about 7 miles (from 30) and it's just as expensive as using the engine in hybrid mode.
The fast lane truck channel did it with loaded trailers as well the results were just as bad
@@scottbrown7415 Look at the CEO, (Mary Barra) of GM saying all electric by 2035. Unless she knows something about battery development we don't I suspect GM won't be in the truck game. Of course we were told we'd be the Jetsons by the year 2000 back when as well. Dating myself here.
I didn't see if it had a hitch, but maybe he could have used the Raptor to tow the Lightning. It was probably narrow enough to fit on the trailer, and the Raptor likely had plenty of towing power. A sight we will likely see more of in the future. 😀
From the crunching noise it made when he squeezed it, I think the Raptor would have broken in half if he had tried that.
It does have a hitch receiver.
@@oldbloke135 Yeah, no. That 6.2 is bulletproof. That was simply the cab corners...common on the F-150s.
If you went with the towing capability, well, there you would have an argument. Raptors need some suspension goodies to really tow since the travel on those shocks approach almost 1ft.
So, I see every EV pickup will need to tow an auxiliary pickup on a trailer to make sure they can get home after work.
EVs are being rushed to market before there's enough infrastructure to support them.
.. or before batteries have got anywhere near the energy density of fuels.
Or... it's just ford
@@Remix2366 All the companies are trying to get an early slice of the pie. None of them want to be late after all.
@@surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531 Advances in development will take care of that. In all fairness it already has in order to reach the point we're at.
@@joewoodchuck3824 Repeat after me: energy density. A gallon of gasoline has roughly 32 KWh electricity energy equivalent. That much lithium battery energy capacity costs around 1000x what the gasoline costs, and is a lot larger and heavier.
Would you purchase an expensive car with a tiny gas tank that had to be replaced after every 800 fill-ups, and where the cost of the gas tank is a large fraction of the cost of the whole vehicle>
I'll take that 1930 model A pickup over that EV anyday of the week
That makes two of us!
No question about it. Model A all day.
Most EVs are just appliances like your washing machine. You need it but do not care about it.
Use the Lightning's cargo space for placing a pedal bike connected to a generator and have a friend, or two, pedal as hard as they can while you drive...and you may get a whole extra 20miles from it 🤣
Might as well hookup the pedal power directly to the driveshaft, add 20 more bicycle seats, get rid of the heavy electric motors and lithium batteries, and hire a town of Amish to peddle for a few hours. You'll probably get better results. Or just drive the Model T to the destination rofl
Yeah I'd carry a 50amp generator to keep it charged. So much for "no emissions" oh and the electricity is from coal or natural gas anyhow.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good thing you still had a real back up truck to get home with.
Got to love "Hoovies Towing Reviews".
Been subscribed, for years.
I just can't wait to see what you tow next.
No you don’t actually. This guy is a gigantic tool.
For the dense out there, this is SARCASM.
@@josephhouk6703 or “fake news” for the Infowars crowd 😂
TFL truck be like
"We dodged a bullet"
hahahahahahaha Love it
I would like to see that test done again in winter with the heater on, I bet you will lose at least 30% range without the trailer and with a trailer might have to charge to make it back. My ev loses anywhere from 30% to 60% range depending on how cold it is. There were times I could barely made 60 miles with a 120 mile range. When temps drop below freezing EVs range just plain out suck.
My boss drives a Tesla and in below freezing temps her range is cut by about 40% per her report.
Your boss is a mindless follower.
So go back to gas?
no actually he is a boss
EV has no business being mainstream right now. needs way more research and development
Looks like you could have used a little more drop in your hitch to level the trailer out. Also probably should have towed the lightning home with the Raptor, so you could then go back and get the model A.
Thats actually a REALLY good point..
It's probably doesn't have registration which is why he's towing it.
I was thinking same thing. Hopefully battery tech will make some major leaps in range and recharge time soon.
@@jbranche8024 Haha especially for California
@@howardanon7433 In before rolling blackouts with the amount of EV's.. oh Newson.
The truck is garbage! Electric is a waste of time and money.
Lightning huh? Gives new meaning to Found on Road Discharged.
This video affirmed my decision to cancel my F Lightening order 6 months ago. There are a number of videos and articles that reveal very poor range while towing. I'll be keeping my coyote 5.0 V8 F150 until heck freezes over.
It should be called the E-Lightning to differentiate itself from the real deal 😂
It took 2 solid weeks towing cross country with the Rivian.
My F350 isn't going anywhere.
@@TheBandit7613 I wonder why amazon is ordering so many of these, and the us post office and others. Surely they know the truth... In G-d I trust.
It's the internet. You can say hell.
Heck, you can say shit, fuck, ass and tits as well...
@@Newoak I heavy tow off-road vehicles all over the west. I think EVS will be really good for local work. I end up in some really desolate places. Not yet.
That thing would work sweet if you had a gas generator in the back👌
Charge it off the model A…because that’s more reliable 😂
That generator in the back is to heavy, you will lose to much range. 🤣
Why not a coal burning engine?
Will be better with a diesel generator
I honestly think you'd benefit from using a pto driven generator, then you'd have "perpetual energy drive " like a mini warp drive in a Ford. That Nickola Tesla dude was a smart cookie inventing alternating current electricity
Motor Trend's truck of the year,How much did Ford pay for that?
I'm not sure how the electric truck thing is going to work out, but I'm absolutely certain that in 90 years no one is going to be putting it on a trailer and towing it with anything! Give me the Model A, back when things were simple. Thanks for doing the story. People need to see real world results!
Liberals will have us all killed by then
Electric cars are more simple than internal combustions ones though >.>
The electric motor has two parts: a stator and a rotor.
Plus no need for a complicated transmission, several pumps for oil and fuel, complicated timing to make sure the little explosions go off in the right order, a driveshaft and all that mess to take energy from one big motor to the other wheels, an exhaust system to make sure those noxious gases don't suffocate you and so the car's not deafeningly loud, complicated air intakes so the little explosions can happen... and so on.
@@Jcewazhere I totally agree with you and being a mechanic for over 35 years I can see the benefits from some situations that electric vehicles would be excellent for. However many people don't realize that electric vehicles have been around almost as long as internal combustion engines ( maybe longer) but it's been the same problem since it's inception, battery reliability and durability. They are rushing these vehicles into production with substandard batteries that if they don't get perfected are going to ruin the concept much like General Motors did with the diesel back in the late 70s and early 80s. I have friends that work at the River Rouge plant that produce these trucks and I've seen pictures of batteries catching fire in there shipping racks before they are even installed in the truck. They know there's a problem but they push on and put product out that is not acceptable. What is going to happen when this vehicle is parked in your garage charging at night? Or just going down the road? Again I think it's a great idea and will definitely be a main form of transportation at some point but the batteries are not ready yet and in my opinion down right dangerous!
Well the main reason they’re mass producing EVs now is bc of government putting the foot down on emissions more and more every year
Don't fool yourself, buying an electric car will come back and bite you in the A$$ .... as it did my family ! ... Forget Batteries ! ... an lets move on to a newer energy source that won't poison everybody on earth !!
Try your range at -20 below, with the heater on. Good luck.
Down the block and back 😂
And do it with a 5-10 min warm up while unplugged with the heater on before leaving. Lmao. Down the Driveway and back ;)
In California a couple of weeks ago in September it was so hot people were asked not to charge their electric vehicles because the grid could not handle it.
@@beezalporquait
That's the State that's going to ban gas engines. Why are there so many corrupt politicians in California ? Is it the system or the low information voter ?
Ford died in 79. Thats why im still running my 74 3/4 ton ford as a daily driver
What'd you expect it's a battery powered toy vehicle
Just imagine towing it uphill 😂
In a headwind.
@@markdavid4897 with the AC on…..
If it was a long grade the truck probably wouldn't have made it to the top. It was using four times the range just pulling on flat ground. Ford is going to lose their shirt on this BS. Big mistake on their part.
@@northdakotaham1752 It's not Ford, it's the rampant handouts they get from the "Concerned" EV buyers [taxpayer sheep]
"Promising greater efficiency, CVT systems may allow electric vehicles to increase their range-a key concern of potential EV buyers."
In the winter - he'd be lucky to get home. Batteries really don't like being cold and with heating on, range drops dramatically.
A plug-in hybrid pickup with 50 miles of all-electric range and then kicking over to a gas engine for longer trips and towing would be the best compromise. Not going to happen, but it makes the most sense.
except you have to have an engine and a motor, transmission, and everything you need for propulsion, twice. The beauty of electric vehicles is the simplicity and lack of moving parts that generic heat and require grease.
Why not going to happen? We have a plug-in hybrid SUV with 50+ miles of range (rav4) and it's fantastic. It's an EV 90% of the time and on those few occasions when we tow or go on longer trips it's a gas-burning car that gets as much as 45 miles per gallon.
@@flt528 I wish it would, but the industry - outside of Toyota - seems to be going all-in on fully electric pickups. I could be wrong - maybe there will be a backlash because of the towing issue, which a plug-in would solve. But it seems this is where the industry is headed (although I suspect they'll be offer heavy duty trucks (F250s, etc) with big diesel and gas engines for years to come for serious work).
Another issue with EVs and towing is charging. Due to the space restrictions at chargers, you'd likely have to unhitch the trailer, charge, and then hitch it up again. None of this matters if you're just going to a local lake with your boat or taking the utility trailer to Home Depot. But for long-distance towing - or just contractors who are towing a trailer around all day - EV trucks just aren't going to be practical.
I own a Chrysler Pacific plug-in hybrid. I get around 30 miles per charge, enough to work and back. It covers about 90% of my driving as well. I get gas maybe once every two months - average about 35 mpg on the hybrid/gas combo. I never worry about charging and long trips are much more convenient - don't care what EV drivers say. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion.
GE owns the patent that diesel electric trains use. As far as I know that's still the standard for long range fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, they aren't licensing the technology for use in vehicles at this moment. Hopefully all commercial trucks will switch over eventually.
Plug-Hybrids for be a far more practical choice over this electric BS
I'd love to see a Diesel comparison ( real world ) IE use a diesel generator and charge the lightning from 0-100% , then use your Dodge Diesel and see what range you can get on the same amount of fuel towing the same load. It would be interesting to see .
Then time the entire test. Because it takes hours to charge and minutes to fill.
@@DownRange9703 And time is money.
That is so dumb. Dumb enought that somebody should try it on the dumbest automotive channel in all of youtube. ;)
The Diesel truck would win. You lose potential energy through heat twice with the EV and only once with the Diesel truck.
My 1970 International Travelall 4x4 1100D 345 v8 (not diesel) gets 10-11mpg with normal driving. It also gets 10-11 mpg while towing our 7200lb fully loaded race trailer.
I'd imagine a modern day diesel would hover around 90%+ of the same unloaded performance.
The range estimator adjusts for the speed you are driving. Same way if your gas range adjusts if you’re going 10mph or 75mph. I really don’t know what’s so difficult to understand about this.
knew it would be this way. thanks for demonstrating this to the people who didnt think it through. please repeat this test in the snow.
Right? A 20$ electric rc car would teach this lesson heheh
"So I've gone 5 miles down the road and have about 2% range left"
@@joeldowell5059 🤣🤣
The amount of arguing I've had to do on this point approaches incredulity. Thankfully now I can just point to this video.
@@OswaldBeef if you want to talk lessons compare the same priced brushless r/c to a gas one lol. Electric left internal combustion behind a long time ago.
If this is the future, the future sucks.
People just say it's the future because that's what they hear in the news.
We're in the bad timeline.
So does the present. The past is shaky.
I reckon you should tow the EV with the Model A.
😂🤣
Thats what a man would do
I thought the same thing. That tiny little gasoline engine would do a better job. This EV crap is just that, CRAP! I am old and drove that little 34 pickup from Dallas Texas to San Francisco. Ran like the well oiled machine it was.
@@TheGreyGhost_of43rd yes, so masculine 🙄
@@stevefarris9433 the model A would probably be slow as hell but im sure it would go a lot farther than that pos ev
I think range is going to be an extremely persistant problem with EVs. EV power density is a problem that butts directly against the laws of physics. It's very hard to get much more energy dense than we are now, batteries don't progress like semiconductors. Lipo batteries are lipo batteries, it doesn't matter how small the parts are, it'll holds the same charge per kg as any other lipo.
Better batteries are on the way. But it will take time.
No better batteries are not on the way, they don't get much better with the tech we got.
They need to just create hybrid cars with electric drivetrains until they find a way to create better batteries
@@zteaxon7787Yeah I really don’t understand why the vast majority of manufacturers haven’t gone in this direction… especially with applications like trucks.
So much for the trucking industry going electric 😂😂😂
They have speed and time constraints, the electric Semis are built around this and they get an extra two tons of capacity too. The MCS charging network will pump megawatts into them to meet the short breaks and slower chargers can be used for their overnights (team drivers would use MCS all the time)
How long would it take a trucker to go the 10 hours though? It would definitely be more than 12, and you would lose out if you’re a team.
Definitely not worth it. Hydrogen would be better, but you’d have to create nuclear power plants, but to have funding for that you would have to create a carbon tax, which Americans would never do.
@@avery4528 I have only looked deeply into the Tesla, 30 minutes to get back your 10 hours, but they're using a standard charger connectors this time around, so others should be similar if they mind their aerodynamics and battery sizes.
The only thing hydrogen offers is refueling speed but for passenger cars it costs more than gas, I want H2 to do well but I have no confidence it's going anywhere except possibly heavy shipping and aircraft, but even then you need to build out an infrastructure, while with electricity you plug into worldwide infrastructure.
Hate to bring up the name but the Tesla Semi has good range at full load. There is a demo in YT somewhere. Batteries will improve too, already are.
A set of draft horses from an Amish farm has a better towing range and has biodegradable exhaust! Lol Thanks for the honest video!
My first thought was someone buying that old pickup back in the day and saying it was ridiculous because his horse could tow just as much in a wagon and I don't have to bother with flammable gasoline. EV is still in its infancy but it's growing up quickly.
A corvette actually produces less carbon emissions that a horse.
@@gingerman5123 I have to disagree. EVs aren't in their infancy, EVs are nearly at the brink of what's physically possible, atleast in their current form. A battery can only store so much energy and electric engines have been used and develloped for nearly as long as gasoline engines and they are much simpler, so there aren't many things that can be twerked to make them more efficient.
@@gingerman5123 There's no significant battery capacity increase on the horizon. Li-Ion is about where it was 10 years ago in terms of capacity per cell. Tesla's beer can batteries are mostly about increasing packing density because energy density isn't moving. Maybe one of the lab toy cells that's been 2 years away for the last 10 years will finally come to fruition and actually make battery-electric viable for more than city cars, but I'm not holding my breath.