Why I regret buying a Ford Lightning! (EV Electric Truck)
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2023
- After waiting almost 2 years for my Electric truck it's finally here. I have put together a few things you need to know if you are considering buying a new Ford Lightning.
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Price tag was enough for millions of people to just say no...
Priced a Ford F250 lately?
@@tornadotj2059 NO KIDDING😮
@@golf_tango_delta I just did a search, and there's one at a dealership not too far from me with a price of $109,000. Now they did have some in the $80k+ range, but holy cow.
@@tornadotj2059 exactly
@@tornadotj2059 Who's buying these vehicles at the proper $400k per year salary our parents (% wise) purchased vehicles at (25% max of yearly gross income)? My dad passed just 2 years ago, he bought nothing but new cars since 1975. He paid CASH for every used and new car he ever purchased in his life. BY DESIGN. Dad was just a guy running a machine on a factory floor.
I get annoyed having to charge my phone all the time.
I can't imagine having to worry about charging my truck.
Agreed, that’s why I got a gas powered phone
@TheGreatestShowman69 😂😂😂
And don’t the experts warn you not to leave your phone on charge overnight because of the fire risk! 🤔
@@TheGreatestShowman69Priceless comment. Few comments have me laughing out loud. Good job.
Your are on your phone too much!
Love filling my truck up to full in less than 2 minutes and being able to go 400 miles and i dont have to have an app to do it. Cold or hot dont matter. And I love being able to go to any gas station basically and fill up and not have to worry about whether or not it's going to work.
to be honest one of the facets of range anxiety is that "if you run out of gas (power) you can't call your buddy and have them bring you 5 gallons of gas!! or a pinch hitting battery? That's my word picture!!!
@@highpointsights AAA members get 5 gallons delivered free wherever they are. EV owners? AAA doesn't deliver 5 KWs.
@@derekheuring2984 Just commenting because you are wrong. You can get power delivered for road side assistance. Any f150 that has propower on board with a 220 Outlet can charge an EV very quickly.
Gas stations go out of service when power goes down also. Basically.
@@mikedar8484 thats why most gas stations have generators now. ;).
It's the tail wagging the dog. The exciting (and stressful) vacation where your focus is on your transportation making it there and back home. What fun!!
Dude, you’re a saint! At $100k price point, Ford should include a butler with every EV truck they sell so they can charge the vehicle for you w/o you asking. Lol
The fact this video was made is enough for most of us to run the other way.
If the truck didn't drive so well, I would. Hoping they fix the issues.
Ice ice baby!!!
exactly
I looked at a Lightning at my local dealer. Ordered a diesel.
And you get to pay the +$50,000 dealer market adjustment for extra pleasure.
I thank the Lord every day for guys like you because now I’m in and out of the gas station a little bit quicker because of the slightly less lines.
Haha love it. Thanks for the comment.
Smart, needing to go to the gas station every day and thanking the Lord for it.
@dvader3263 he is thanking for the shorter lines at the station, not for refueling.
Read it again.
@@gfarnden56 shh...you'll disrupt the cognitive dissonance that is shared between EV owners, feminists and the leftists.
@@zarroth lol.. well said
Thanks for the video, I was going to look at one of these. I was on the fence anyway but thanks to you I'm not even going to waste my time. How a company stands by their product is very important to me.
I would highly recommend, looking at the fiasco in chicago, at the cold and the EV's. no person that had a functioning mind would purchase one of these. The cold makes the charging station non functional.
There's something about being able to jump in your truck and drive anywhere without worrying about where you're going to charge.
That's called FREEDOM
That’s called normal life!
Ford Fix Or Repair Daily...found on road dead 😂😂😂 💀
yeah its called convenience. ill pay whatever gas costs.. and be done with it . not all of us have hours everyday working on getting your car to work. wierd why anyone does this.
Take time to ask your Tesla car, it will tell you where and how to get there.
"Never take NO from someone who can't give you a YES." This is my new favorite quote.
I guess that derives from “never take no for an answer “. I have had my dealings with pushy dealers and when I said no, one of them followed me all the way out to the parking lot “what’s the problem? What can we do to get you to buy?” I said “the problem is $20/30 thousand dollars doesn’t just burn a hole in my pocket. I have to talk to my better half about it”. He gave me the hand flip and said “you’re not ready to buy” and walked away. I said nice and loud “not ready to buy from YOU”. We went to a different dealer-same manufacturer. Totally different experience and bought the same car. We drove it to the first dealership, saw the guy and said “NOW we’re ready to buy “. That dealership went out of business a short time later. Gee, I wonder why
Clever line! I like the principle: Don't deal with a person who has no authority to resolve the matter in your favor!
I guess that’s what a rapist believes also. 🤷♂️
I think that doesn't apply to this situation in any way or manner.
Not receiving the charger was a clear sign to return it and run far away. Universe just trying to help you out 😂
It's kind of mind blowing that you had the issue you did when you first got the truck, and it seemed as if no one could fix it. That lack of ability to take care of the customer is a huge red flag. I have many reasons why I wouldn't want an EV, but the biggest one is the charging. Listening to you talk about having difficulty getting it charged and then how you lost mileage overnight, all I could think was, what if there was an emergency situation where you needed to leave, but your vehicle didn't have enough charge to get you to safety. :( Thank you for making this video, I've never had the chance to see one of these trucks up close.
In my hectic & complex life, I work hard to REDUCE as many stresses as possible, buying an EV would do the exact opposite of that. Thank you for the great video.
Very well put.
You'd want to buy a Tesla. Then your life would be simplified by not having to visit a gas station but "fillup" at home, without the hassle stated here
Just like cars, one electric car is not the same as the other. Tesla is just acing every metric there is and are building the most practical, safe and econimal cars, and because of the Tesla charging network, none of these problems apply. Just think about that when you gas car has broken down again, or you need to bring it in for service.
@@RikHeijmen I am almost 40 and have never had a gas vehicle break down on me...
I've been driving since I was 15 years old - in two months I'll be 80. I have never had a car break down on me and I have run out of gas only once...
Definitely falls into the category of " A fool and his money are soon parted" and " There's a sucker born every minute " LOL! 😂
Thanks for putting this video together and talking about your experience.
The worst thing of all, is to wake up and go out to your vehicle, only to find you forgot to plug it in last night!
Spending your entire trip around charging/stressing sounds so much better than having to stop once at a gas station. Lol
Yep. All of these people tell you how great it is to not go to gas stations but then they spend hours sitting at “gas stations” (and apparently not even charging) along with endless range anxiety. What a fuckin joke.
I'll keep my (Gasoline) 2017 F-150 Lariat 3.5 V6 turbo ecoboost 550 mile range with full tank.
@@FlyingAceAV8B l
I don't need a cell phone application to put gas in my car. This all sounds like it is not ready for prime time. I gather that the electric pickups don't tow worth a hoot--certainly nothing like a diesel.
I really like my F350 6.7. To hell with little toys
I hope folks watch THIS before buying any EV. Thanks for taking the time & effort to explain this is in painful detail.
When new it is fine, after 5 years spend what you saved, disposable vehicles, when I see a video of an electric vehicle that reaches at least 300,000 miles without problems, maybe I will buy one...
This gives new meaning to the old joke that FORD stands for "Found On Road Dead."
Ford really dropped the ball on the F-150 Lightning. I bought a brand new one a few months ago and actually made the dealer take it back a week later and unwind the deal. It was cold outside and I could barely get 150 miles of range out of it, with no load.
Wow, that's insane. What part of the country are you in? Do me a favor and subscribe to my channel. I'll keep you updated.
That's bad my mother's ford focus gets 400 miles
Thank you for priceless information. I recklessly thought of using my use my first social security check next fall on payments for a truck with a punishing price tag.
Had to sell my
Ford focus after 2 months of owning it because of the common transmission issues. They told me it would be 6-8 months before they could get a transmission in and it was under warranty. Sold that POS and won’t ever buy a ford again
Did you buy truck for work ? Have you tried towing a loaded trailer 3or4 ton ?
Doctors say, if you want to live longer and be happier your entire life, with out stress , never ever buy a EV.
😂😂😂
If you like killing the environment, keep buying a gas guzzling truck. RepubliKKKans, ‘nuff said.
They cost twice as much per mile to operate.
@@jetscreamer1 EV has about half the parts count of a gas car, but yet these EVs cost 2 to 5 times as much.?? It has its own type of pollution ( gases from Lithium or Ultium batteries, including other specialized automotive grade batteries) and are known to expel highly toxic gases both when charging and discharging now this will added to our already polluted air. On top of that, the total operating cost of these EV's is extremely high in the long run. Run the the numbers, they don't add-up ... No thanks, I'll pass ... I don't want to add to the problem by adding even more toxins to the environment.
Elements pillaged from the Earth for EV batteries are NOT renewable. Eventually all ground water, oceans, and our biological ecosystem will no longer support life due to over-mining critical elements, and changing the character of Earth's crust
appreciate the content and heads up about all the issues.
This is called the EV learning curve! I drive a bolt EV it is the best car i have ever had! I did a roadtrip from San Antonio To Missouri to Tennesee and back. We had a great time and the chargers are fine once you get past the learning curve. I wish you the best luck with your ev!
These are the kinds of issues that I would never want to deal with , and I won’t ! Good luck moving forward!!
These are the type of reviews I wanna see. Any reasonable person knows that things can go wrong with a new product but it’s really about how a company goes about fixing things or recovering that shows a company’s true colors.
Ford actually reached out to me after watching this video. I'm going to be dropping another video about that interaction tomorrow. Subscribe and let me know your thoughts
@@JettersGarage they must’ve called cause of my comment! 😂 JK. I subscribed cause of this video tho. Keep bringing great content.
Or say test your product, just a little ?
Despite what the manufacturers will tell you, EVs are still experimental. Somewhere between space vehicles and chat bots.
The only way EV pickups will ever work is with a new battery technology that cuts weight and improves range to the 400-600 mile range and can be recharged in 10 minutes.
Thanks for the review. Good stuff.
I had a 1976 Jeep CJ-5 RENEGADE. The dang thing was so squirrely on ice, in four wheel drive. It would go end for end in a blink!
I also had 1984 AMC Eagle. It went good in the snow, and ice, but it fell apart faster than I could fix it.
I've been telling everyone for years that one of Tesla's biggest advantages, (they have many) is their supercharging network. Making the vehicle is one thing, getting it to function in a normal person's life without requiring them to make a bunch of concessions just to own it is another.
I agree. They make it very simple to become and adopter of their vehicle and network.
Very well said, I like the ideal, but it’s still a little bit to much trouble for me to consider seriously, my son had a Tesla 3, great car, but traded it in on a Chevy Volt and said he’s much happier with the hybrid, the Tesla was awesome, fast and so techy.
@@poppyneese1811 trading a Tesla for a Bolt is ridiculous UNLESS you cant afford the Tesla, The bolt is a lackluster attempt at a compliance car thats still only made in very low volume which makes it worse in general. Its certainly better than a gas car in many ways EXCEPT that its made by GM a terrible company that lies constantly in their marketing fluff.
Meh…. Tesla SC is good, but it’s not ideal to use it all the time. Once your charger is at home it’s the same for every EV
@@lrod8692 I would agree with that if your daily commute is under 50 miles, and you never use your vehicle for a road trip. We charge at home off of residential solar every night and 90+ percent of the time never have a second thought, but especially during the winter when you have the potential to lose 30 to 40% of your battery range and you’ve got to make a little bit of a trip, charging on the road is a must for sanity and practicality. If you don’t have the SC Network, and are relying on the myriad of private party networks that generally cost more money, have serious intermittent reliability issues, and often times do not charge nearly as fast., it puts a real hindrance in the driving experience. Doesn’t matter how fast your car goes from 0 to 60 if you can’t get it out of the parking lot.
This product brought to you by the same engineers that designed the self ejecting spark plugs in previous F-150's !
Ford is incapable of building a quality vehicle
Don't forget the crappy cam phasers and failing tranny's wade.
You were born without knowledge, doesn't mean you have to die that way.
Never believe the hype . . .
☆
Thank you for the information.
Another issue you may find (as happened in the U.K) , thieves went in and removed all the cables from the chargers for the scrap value of the copper cables!
Every cable was removed, plus they had also hit the chargers in the BMW depot next door to it!
As you noted none of the chargers were listed as out of order on the app!
Thieves in the U K wow didn't see that coming . (from Chicago)
First I’ve heard of this happening and I’m in Uk with an EV. I’ve seen the screenshot going round on FB about waiting for smackheads to find out there’s copper in the ev Chargers but never ever anywhere have I heard it happen. 🤷♀️
I could see this being a wide spread issue in the future
And you know exactly who is responsible but traveler sites are police no go areas.
@@byteme9718 even though I'm in Texas I understand this comment.
Big business thinks of people as sheep, it's easy to steer people in the direction you want, with just a few persuasive claims. Do anything, say anything to make a sale.
People have no brains cause they are faced to the computers
Really? Sounds like you're describing a dealership. Which isn't exactly big business
@@03poppa sounds like your making up something that he didn’t say and then responding to that.
@@OrangeTree253 who are you annoyed with more, your local dealers or Ford? Because I doubt you're actually in contact with Ford when you have your vehicle worked on or decide to buy another one.
You need the Yellow extension cord those are the Industrial strength ones plus they're weather proof.
Thanks for the great video.
7 years having a model S, gives you credibility. I love the comment Ford makes vehicles, Tesla makes a great interface. My lightning test drives made me like the truck. The stuff you cover in this video is stuff that you don't know until you own and use it. Very helpful. Good luck with the channel.
Thanks Brad!
@Jetters Garage any day now, I am expecting my ordered F-150 lightning to make it to the dealership. I have been up front with them about my concerns and made it clear I most likely would not follow through with purchasing it. I haven't had time to look into any current information to determine if it would be a good investment to purchase it while I wait for my cybertruck. Do you have any advice on it?
Funny, my test drive informed me to buy the Cybertruck instead.
@@JackofalladventuresWait
What battery range was that with. The estimated 300 mile range you only got 150 miles?
Just watching this and not experiencing it STILL gave me anxiety. No way in hell would I ever go EV.
How about Autopilot, having the anxiety of supervising this flawed tech when you could simply drive yourself and be much safer.
@@davidsoom1551 Autopilot Teslas are >< 6 times safer than a straight ICE car on average according to the oversight agency.
That's absolutely WRONG! What oversight agency? Yeah, so safe Tesla had to recall every last car they made in America because of the dangers of the auto pilot. But hey, Tesla fanboys are in love.@@mikedar8484
You are out of your mind. Tesla just had to recall each and every car they ever sold in North America because of the dangers of their Autopilot to the public .How old are you?@@mikedar8484
Biden will force you to buy one and if its from China the better for him
In concept seems like a good idea for a truck. You got your typical truck cargo area for stuff you could only carry in the back and in the engine space you got your average storage trunk space for a more secure compartment.
Bought a bolt euv and love it.
You folks are dinosaurs .
You purchased an expensive paperweight that took over a month to provide it's intended purpose. Thank you for sharing your experience.
That wasn't the takeaway from his video.
@@Mogul20478 The vast majority of the charging issues were on him though.
The only thing dumber than buying an electric car, is buying an electric truck.
@@KHugg1776 eh I think buying electric cars is ok for city use but a truck is sketchy at best unless you just like truck looks because it's not going to be a good truck truck
Luckily for the rest of us there are people like you who really like having the latest greatest stuff and are willing to deal with the growing pains. Ford and other companies should be giving you guys awesome incentives to be the Guinea pigs and deal with all these initial headaches.
RIght... Like maybe a free Ford Lightning hat. lol If you like the content do me a favor and subscribe. Thanks for the comment.
But why electric at all ? What is the real reason and wait for the missing gas taxes to kick in … ouch electric fuel tax
fuel tax is like 75% why you worried about something that cant even happen lol how you gonna tax differant electrical use do people even have brains or is it all bots on here.
@@rockyboulders1885 just wait for politicians to screw with it
@@blondestrainger We already have one in our electric bill. Read your bill closely.
We are on our 2nd ev. The juice box charger at Costco is great. And if you get the plug in instead of the hard wired model it’s a portable charger! Works great! Always works! Went from a Chevy Bolt to a Model Y. And yes. Tesla super charging is best away from home.
As an EV owner, and without regard to your charger not being shipped on time, i can say that 99% of the time i leave the house with 90% full battery and zero stress. All of those weeks that i dont visit a gas station make up for the extra time charging on a long trip. Some of these issues are Ford specific, some are generic EV challenges that would have required research on your part in advance (winter range issues, hill issues vs regeneration, etc). Great video and you make some good points though.
I had reserved my Lightening for almost a year and then I gave up and bought a 3.5L Eco Boost...so glad I did. With the 32 gallon or whatever exact size tank it has and on 89 octane ethanol free gas I averaged 21.7 mpg on a 1,000 mile trip. After one fuel stop my range said 777 miles!!!
I had the power boost and was averaging about 20 miles per gallon. It was a great truck. Since I produced my own electricity I just got tired of buying gas. Do me a solid and subscribe to my channel.
My F-150 Ecoboost got 17 mpg max and 8 mpg towing a light boat and trailer. I sold it within 3 months and took a bath. Never deal with Ford again.
@@dennisfahlstrom2515 I'm pretty sure last year Ford had the most recalls of any automaker...
@@dennisfahlstrom2515 - That must have been the Gen-1 Ecoboost. My 2018 F150 with the Gen-2 3.5L consistently gets 23-plus highway and 11 mpg pulling a 27', 7500 pound camper.
That's why i am buying a Chevrolet Silverado ev
I'm starting to see more and more EV on Used car lots
Most people sell their EVs because their batteries are failing from abuse...Battery degradation and Phantom drain ---- if you continue using the fast charge method you will increase speed at which your batteries degrade . You will start losing range at even a faster rate than normal resulting in more frequent charges and even more time lost and finally ... battery replacement and believe me, you don't want that $$$$$. The best way to explain Phantom Drain, ... it is like having a small hole in your gas tank. EVs lose juice by just sitting for a period of time ( in the garage, driveways, street, etc)
All rechargeable batteries do.
We have noticed all the Used Electric Cars sitting on car lots.? I drive alot up and down the CA. State, I've noticed a lot of EV showing up in these lots . That says it all, .. evidently not too many people like their EV . Looks like more are going back to Gas.
@@billsElitetrucking349I saw some numbers on this a couple years back. At that time the claim was that 20% of EV buyers returned to ICE within the first two years . At this time now the dealers in my area won't touch a EV for trade in. Elon completely screwed all the customs who paid premium prices before they started dropping prices.
I’m k this is totally on you for falling for the evbs! If you had bought the truck with a 5.0 lt gas engine, that trim for trim is about $40k less, that’s the first at least 10,000 gallons @$4.000/gal! That would get you at least 150,000-200,000 miles of usage out of your new truck without any range anxiety, especially when towing! Then if you figure in the $$$ SAVED at half that 150-200k, that you would have to spend on a NEW BATTERY, the issues become clearer! 😅
Trucks are used for towing and hauling, if you think you have range anxiety with an electric car, try towing a trailer equal to the weight of your truck, and see how far you get
Then try to get into a slot at the charging station with that trailer attached!
A little thinking before signing the paperwork might have been in order.
I was on the waiting list and got the notice to plop down $500 to start my build before February 9th. The only models available were the Lariat and up. So, easily $65k and up for the bigger battery and other goodie’s that would be getting kinda close to my 2017 Platinum with only 39k The Platinum Lightning would be over $90k. I chose to let my reservation roll over and I’ll keep what I have for now. With zero range anxiety using it as a truck.
Sounds like you have a great truck already. Appreciate the insight.
Getting an EV will be the worst decision you've ever made....get your head checked man - you're nuts. Lol....EVs are the biggest pain in the butt EVER - why add to the stress of everyday life with one more thing? GL
And Ford has recently raised the prices of the Lightning models to even higher insane levels. Easy pass.
Well they stopped building them so you're good.
I hear you. My 2020 Lariat has all the bells and whistles and I love it. I can't justify almost doubling what I paid for it used to go electric and get the same creature comforts that I gotta admit I LIKE. My high standard of "living" lol with this current truck is why I can't consider a lightning...
Thanks for sacrificing your time and energy to show us all what a pain it really is.
So if I understand the man, you can not simply plug the truck in and charge it without using going through a cell phone app? So if no cell service, no charging the vehicle?
Not only the fact that he sacrificed a load of cash on a vehicle that is dropping in value by the minute!
Sounds like a waste of money
If you frequently take long trips and can't put a level 2 charger at home, you shouldn't be getting any electric vehicle. But if that's not the case, electric vehicles are awesome.
It’s an electric vehicle 😂he shouldn’t have to show you what a pain it is you should already know it would be a pain
Thanks for the details regarding the various EV charging components. I find it more convenient to have these items (pump. hose, nozzle and trigger) already preinstalled at the gas station. The gas station provides these as part of their infrastructure where one size fits all.
So what are your thoughts now about a year in now that prices have been slashed 10 K on the lightening to improve sagging sales, horrible battery length if towing trailers, and all the other negative aspects related to Lightenings? We are looking at Teslas but have yet to take the plunge.
Thanks for relating your experience. I already made up my mind not to go electric until I have my other two vehicles towed to the boneyard, but now that is written in stone.
Just needs more time to work out the bugs. Do me a solid if you like the content and follow. Thanks man!
I can't imagine the charging chaos in California in another 10 years. There will be long lines at charging stations with abandoned dead vehicles in the streets.
That's not going to happen. Imagine being wishful of a negative scenario in the hope that it will prove you right. Sad.
@@Adrian_Nelit's actually very likely to happen. Gas and hydrogen will win this government mandated scheme.
@@Adrian_Nel we already have power outages and advise not to charge during day time LOL. OP is spot on.
@@Adrian_Nel I didn't read that comment as wishful, just possible based on reality.
As if in 10 years the charger built out hasn't gone ahead in leaps and bounds.
I bet the same arguments were there at the birth of the petrol car.
My adult son put in a reservation for the Ford Lightening and it came in about 8 months later. He bought it and did the electrical work to connect the charger to the electric box in his home basement out to the garage where the charger box and cord is located. He has had it for 10 months, the Wisconsin Summer, Fall and now the Winter. He has done a 300 mile road trip which required him to scout for fast chargers on route. Those are not plentiful in the upper Mid-West. Now it's Winter, he has found range is short and charging takes a long time as the battery does not like cold temps. He will keep the truck and mostly uses it for 40 mile round trips to his work-place.
I think this is what it's best use is. Short trips under 100 miles. Thanks for your comment.
This is great info! Really gives me pause to purchase a lightning ‼️
Since it’s a pickup, it would have room in the bed to carry a “GAS” generator to be able to charge it.
😂🤣😂
Hmmm.... And yet I get some people do that! Just in case!
Might as well have a gas truck. EVs aren’t good for the good ole green new deal if you’re using gas to pollute and charge it right?
@@Adam-vs2in This would be for emergencies such as going on a trip and you run into trouble, not all the time.
To your point though, seems like electric trucks are very challenged in so many ways compared to smaller cars.
Also, my 70 + year old Father got a hybrid Ford Truck. It's a beautiful truck but from what I can tell, it gets maybe 10% more mileage than a small EcoBoost V6. Not worth it at all
@@travisjazzbo3490 yeah I would never get a truck that wasn’t 4x4 or couldn’t tow a trailer. IMO having an EV truck is like buying a smoker that you can only cook hot dogs on.
The weight of the batteries requires that much of their energy capacity is required just to move the batteries. One gallon of gas weights approx 8 lbs. Lots of energy in 8 lbs.
#truth
Tip for anyone interested in an EV. If you are planning on only keeping the vehicle for a short amount of time an EV is not for you. They depreciate even more than internal combustion vehicles. As long as you’re not planning trips over 120 miles away it’s not that bad. The electrical infrastructure needs a lot of work but it’s improving. City driving is the best when it comes to EV’s. I drive to work a round trip of 120 miles and my Chevy blazer ev is perfect it’s already saved me money.
Love my 23 Superduty 7.3, it is an awesome pickup.❤
Insider info: The "button clicker" works at the dealership you bought the truck from. So close but so far away. They likely held the report of sale to make it look like they had more vehicles in stock.
Agreed - I would be all over Ken Grody Ford about that charger ...
I don't work I'm the auto sales industry. I don't claim to understand all the tricks they use. But to me; I would think it would be better for them to put the sales on the website, claiming you can't keep them in the lot. That they're flying out of the dealerships to their new owners. As stated, I don't understand the inside of the operation. I don't see how it's good practice to claim having more cars on site than is a dually there. It reminds me of a Kurt Russell film decades ago called, Used Cars. It's shady practice, with the limited information I have of the inside workings.
Once again, the pain and suffering associated with a massive paradigm shift is passed on to the customer. Meanwhile, manufacturers and dealers rake in the dough.
The user experience needs more time and attention for sure.
Manufacturer doesn't care about details, pass that to customer, Shame on Ford but not surprised as Corps try force consumers to do stupid things that corps do as they are lazy and don't do proper testing.
Lmao its not a paradigm shift, its a pipe dream brought to you by fascist authoritarian politicians dead set on controlling the pleabs in gen pop. Research how much raw materials, energy, and infrastructure would be needed.
Ford's losing massive amounts of money on all the recall and warranty claims they have to pay out. They can't pass anything on to the customer while the vehicle is still under warranty. The dealers make money on all this, but not Ford.
Thanks for making us a little smarter.
Bottom line you still need the outlet, EXCELLENT
I have zero desire for a pointless EV and this just helps solidify that decision.
Unless you can afford $100, 000 to wipe your ass, then please don’t do it.
Interesting experience. Most of the truck is pretty good, but the basics of getting to a destination without stress, finding a working charging station and using the truck as anything more than a family vehicle seems to be massive obstacles.
The long distances and off grid areas are the most concerning at this point.
@@JettersGarage Ford may need to throw in a gas powered Honda generator into their "electric" trucks. But I guess that would defeat their purpose.
You know how many people have suggested that? Do me a favor and subscribe to my channel I may do a video on this.
@@k.m.9801 something portable will give you six miles an hour. The better option would be AAA to have mobile units with DC fast charging capability (+50KW) for when you get stranded.
So it's really cool for media influencers to make videos of but not that much more then that. Seems like its well worth that $100K+ price tag lol
Rented Mustang Mach EV4X (extended range). I get about 300 miles out of a 100% charge. How is the F-150 range with running AC (south Florida)?
What is the average price per mile and how long does it take to charge. No offense I just wish I could get a straight answer.
That question is best answered when you consider the overall price once you need new batteries. Also EV's are worth only 50% after 5 years.
In the UK. EVs are only worth 50% after 1 year.
Thanks for your honesty. That is a MAJOR problem that most of us would not be willing to overlook, no matter how much we like the style or utility of the vehicle. But, hopefully it all works out for you in the future.
Appreciate the comment. Do me a favor and subscribe. Can't overlook the charging Network that you need to use on a regular basis if you're traveling.
I pre-ordered the Lightning and canceled when I saw my local dealer wanted to charge me $125,000 for the one I ordered. I bought a Tesla instead and had a great buying experience. The $7,500 tax rebate helped, too. I recently saw the same dealer selling an F-150 Lightning with 4,000 miles on it for $78,000.. Goes to show that Ford dropped the ball not only with the truck itself, but with their dealers by not setting expectations on markup pricing. Good luck with it!
I was able to get mine without any markup but I wouldn't have bought mine if they had marked it up. I hate seeing that. Subscribe to my channel and I'll keep you posted on updates. Thanks for commenting.
How did Ford drop the ball on the Lightning. They are impossible to find because of their popularity and I don't remember anyone pointing a gun at me forcing me to pay a markup while shopping for a new Ford vehicle. I simply leave whether shopping at a Ford dealership or any other brand. Looking at some of the Stellantis Final Edition Dodge's. They included their markup in their MSRP. A Black Ghost edition Challenger with a basic plastic RT interior for $99,000.
@@DWH300 they dropped the ball. Any one willing to pay over MSRP for anything is a fool. So good job.
@@andrewpetersen3854 Tesla is my wife’s car. I drive a Sierra AT4, so transporting plywood, kids, ATVs, etc. is never an issue.
@@andrewpetersen3854 you can rent a truck for $20 on the rare occasion you need to haul drywall
Clearly, the most important accessory for any EV is a long extension cord.
EVs are for frequent, short range outings that begin and end at your personal garage with a charger in it. For that that are truly excellent. If your usage relies on a public charger you are going to get frustrated.
And ripped off
@@CosmicSeeker69 Well, you are paying for the cost of the station. But the power does cost more. For example I can charge at work for 34 cents per kwh, but at my house its 14.
This reminds of when i was a little kid, patiently waiting for something special at Christmas. And then Christmas morning comes, I finally unwrap it, and on the box it says "Batteries not included"! 🙂
LOL love the story. Batteries were included but only half charged. If you like the content do me a favor and subscribe. Thanks for the comment.
..That brings up another point...where are we going to get all that Lithium for all these millions of batteries for all these electric vehicles, especially if/when we go all-EV?..isn't the supply of lithium much, much smaller than the supply of petroleum, even after we have been burning it for 125 years?....
the big innovation mod is to have solar pannels on the vehicle.
the top of the hood and cab roof should have them built in, and there should be an option to get a bed canopy with more. and to help with this not overcharging the batteries, it needs A/C and automatic window openers.
i know that the tesla network will soon be available, but to really get rid of range anxiety it needs to be able to limp.
Thanks for sharing !
Now we know 👍
Actually you didn’t learn anything other than you should do your research on EV charging BEFORE you buy an EV! Guy obviously knows nothing! You DON’T need a Ford branded charger! And you don’t use an extension cord!
Thank you for this video. You just convinced me to NOT buy an EV at least not NOW. Thanks for being the guinea pig for EV's. I'll wait until this gets better or it goes "way of the beta" Pun for those who were around during the VHS tape days.
Love the reference.
Hopefully you heard by now that Tesla is opening up its Super Charger network. Adapters at stations for non Tesla vehicles. This should help everyone out. I charge my Tesla at home & when traveling have no issues with their superchargers except some stations being too small. Tesla is constantly adding new stations & expanding present stations where high demand is present. Having the modified non Tesla car app should help elevate these present issues plus have better charging rates. I heard that some stations charge per minute! I have had my Tesla for 4.5 years & now many peers have bought one. The money spent by VW appears to be a joke & someone greased their pockets with these funds
Do me a solid and subscribe to my channel so I can keep you updated. I'm going to do a video on the charging Network and how I charge at home.
I'll wait until we start using Di-lithium Crystals
@@edornelas8275 Can I ask where you live?
I've had four friends with Teslas that now drive ICE (Two S's, a 3 and a Y), and a cousin with a 3 and S that they're looking to dump. They've had ongoing QC issues with both cars, and realized it was crazy that they had $170k worth of automobiles in the garage, but felt like they needed to rent something to drive back home to visit family for Christmas (They got a Chrysler Pacifica for the trip from Memphis to NY.)
I'm in NY. They're not good four season cars; using the battery to power a resistive heater really draws down range... It's brutal when you P90/D can't make 120 mi roundtrip with the defroster/cabin heater on, without stopping at a supercharger to top off (I was along for that ride.)
You've confirmed every fear I literally have about an EV. That said - I think Ford lost close to $3B USD last year pursuing EV's.
@@OrwellNailedIt "Over ten years I'll save a few hundred hours not going to gas stations and service appointments."
First of all you still need to regularly servrce your vehicle, if only for things like tyres and brakes. Secondly, I notice you say ten years as the time you will be keeping your Tesla. That is presumably how long your battery warranty lasts,. You probably bought a brand new Tesla. Whoever buys your Tesla after you trade it in will likely have to deal with the cost of new battery somewhere down the line, which is over $16,000.
I also mention that because if you ever damage your Tesla (say in a collison), one of the likely costs to you even if just for a small amount of external damage will be a new battery if that battery was itself impacted by the collision.
Ford didn’t lose a dime, the feds subsidized the EV rollout for the big 3 with taxpayer money.
And they are recovering those losses by charging ridiculous amounts of money for their ICE engine trucks. So, whether or not you are buying an EV truck, you are paying for and EV truck.
Buy a Tesla Cybertruck, you will be blown away! I own a Model Y and let me tell you, Tesla is decades ahead in every important metric, SOFTWARE, charging, efficiency, use of space, and costs!
@@Stephen-gi1rx Had an M3 for three and a half years, and it's never had any service at all, nor does it need any. From reports, I'm anticipating the lead acid battery will need changing in the next year or two, but I'm confident I can do that myself. New Teslas don't have a lead acid battery. Tyres are still fine, brakes you practically never use - emergency stops only. Current data shows that a reasonably treated 2170 pack is good for something over 300,000 miles, so when I swap the vehicle out (probably at around five years) the new owner will have over half of that. The pack - even at 70% capacity - has considerable (four figure) residual value for off grid energy storage. My pack has 16 modules which can be swapped out individually, and third party battery refurbishers are springing up who offer much better value than the OEM - in the unlikely event I were ever to need this. Your final paragraph has no basis in reality - sorry!
The upside of having a large pickup EV is that you can have the diesel generator in the back to charge it with.
Thank you for your review. I will be buying a gas ford truck that looks like the ford lightning because I love the style.
I bought a gas powered 22 Ranger last fall and I love it. I don't have to worry about range because there are gas stations everywhere and I don't have to use the app either. The best part is gas doesn't disappear from the tank when it's cold outside.
Masculine energy
"I don't have to go to a gas station ... just plug it in and in 30 minutes or so it's charged ... I had to go to 3 different charging stations to find one that had an open charger." That's just totally turbo awesome. Most people with a gas powered vehicle can go to any gas station, on any corner, fill up and be out within 5 minutes, but hey, the Lightening 'has utility'.
Maybe you can buy a generator and haul it in the back to charge your truck😂
I laugh at the charger station situatio. Made my prediction early on this would be an issue and people said I was crazy. I laugh now and they struggle to find charging.
If you buy an electric vehicle than I would recommend having the room, finances, and infrastructure to install an at home charging station. We won’t talk about the rolling brownouts that too many of these charging can cause lol
@@StrikerV3 I have NO intention of ever getting one.
$100,000 plastic junk appliance.
Is the app required to charge? What happens if your phone gets lost or for whatever reason you can't run the app? I don't want a car that needs software in an external device and an Internet connection just to fill it up. All of this sounds really stupid.
It's because it's insanely stupid and people like him are falling into the trap every day..."a fool and his money are soon parted"
Reinforced my already intense love of my old school simple bad-ass feeling 2021 RAM Warlock ICE.
I know of two people that bought one! Both traded them in after one month! Hoovie has a couple of great videos on his purchase!
Okay, I'll look for it.
Love your honesty. Thanks. I talked with a Ford Service Tech, they said "wait until this truck has been out longer, too many software bugs." I believe him.
#truth I'm hoping in the next 18 months they can work out a bunch of the bugs. I may be to optimistic.
Greetings from Finland, I bought Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost 100 hp at 2018, it is a wonderful car with a decent music player. Drives smoothly and quietly, fun to drive straight or curvy roads. The motor gives fun power at lower rpm and fuel consumption is very decent. They stopped to make it, I thought it sold quite well in Europe. Ford can make very good little cars too.
Im enjoying my 21 Raptor 37 and in Alaska and running remote, no anxiety at sll😂
Waiting 2 years for any Ford product was your first mistake, especially for their first attempt at an all electric vehicle. Ford is certainly number 1 --- when it comes to the run around. They are also very good at throwing their vendors under the bus, Firestone and Navistar to mention the more notable relationships that went south. I used to own a fleet of Fords but they left me hanging one too many times (6.0-6.4) and I was tired of being their test subject at my expense. Good luck, you're are going to need all you can get.
Exactly, ford is EVIL !
Yep, I just canceled my Bronco order after receiving an email stating that it would be late Summer (after 1 year and a half) of waiting already.
@@cameraman655 I'd say you made the right move. Lots of quality issues.
@@tomjohnson3976 I wouldn't go that far but I will be very cold day in hell before I give them another penny for one of their trucks.
I worked for FORD, at the dealership level, for 25 years. I was a certified Diesel technician. The 6.0 6.4 were and still are the worst engines ever built. You ARE the test dummy. I WOULD NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FORD! I own a 2015 Tacoma and just bought my wife a 23 CR-V.
how long will that battery last (typically) and how much to replace it???
Early electric cars are still going just fine with many well beyond 10 years and tons of miles. Batteries rarely totally fail, instead individual cells die. The good news is that an emerging business is EV battery repair. Instead of a $25000 battery pack you can pay $2000 for a repair. Electric motors rarely fail too. And by the way no fluid changes along the way either. Big savings over 10 years.
Can,t even imagine how frustrating this must be , worried all the time about your vehicle !
Something about having a gas vehicle. Gas stations are literally everywhere they are always open and they always always work. None of what you said would ever convince me to go electric. But bravo to you for risking and risking is the key word here as taking it up to the mountains calculating your distance needed to get you back, on top of all the drama with charging stations is quiet the expedition in its self. With electric vehicles you can be really limited to going exploring when you get to a set destination unless you have the available power sources. The anxiety level would make me sick.
#truth
You could always bring a gas generator with you camping to charge your EV truck. 😃
@@markderoller7645 Why not just strap the generator on the roof and let it charge the vehicle while you're driving! 😏
The EV's have only really been available since 2017, when the Tesla Model 3 appeared in mass. Up until then it was challenging to go on far trips. That's 6 years. 6 years from now they will def have the bugs worked out, and Tesla chargers will roughly quadruple. That will make it much easier. The issue with Ford, GM, VW is they went with the CCS standard. They should have gone Tesla from the get go. No issues.
I can't wait for the vids of people getting physically violent at the charging stations. You never see people fighting for gas pumps 🤣😂🤣😂
One more reason I’m sticking with my 13 year old Volvo S60 Diesel - nearly 1000 mile (yes, mile!) range - but even driving higher speeds etc. still get a 600 mile range. OK it’s got an 18 gallon tank - but as I’ve said for 15 years - recharging an EV with an internal battery is a nightmare. Have standard sized (small, medium & large) batteries that are easily removed and replaced with a fresh battery at a service station. If in a few years there are no gasoline or diesel cars sold then I’d first look at a hybrid; but full EV really only for a second, city car. Soon I’ll likely buy another gasoline only car (like a manual 6-speed!!) give me another 13+ years without the hassle! Steve on 15 Nov 2023
Audi Q5 TDi, 600mi on 19 gal tank. Zero range anxiety, very efficient MPG.
Skoda 2l turbo diesel. always 1000k range on fill - 55litres. 14 years old no problems. Have got as low as 3.5 litres per 100k and that's accurate but very special conditions - no wind, flat, 70kph, smooth road surface. Still can get that at 14 years old but only covered 135,000k. Never used a drop of oil. That's why, although I love EVs, I would never buy one. Get A$5,000 for my Skoda if I'm lucky. What would I have to pay for a EV? and I'd always be worried about where am I going to recharge and will I make it???
It's better when you do your research before you buy rather than after.
Looking to pull the trigger on a 23 lightning lariat ER by the end of the year. Have you noticed any improvements to the interface or app?
Please don't
@@Recogneyez why?
@@Salanan
Save your money
Dude stop. Take all the money for that car and spend it traveling Europe with me. 10 months of the hottest girls, best scenery and awesome restaurants or a dodgy grocery pickup? I expect to see you on Schiphol airport soon! Cheers from the Netherlands.
I’m still driving the truck I bought new in 1998. Looks like I’m keeping it.
If you've been driving it that long it's probably reliable. Subscribe to my channel and I'll let you know when it's safe to buy. Thanks for the comment..
So what you’re saying it’s OK town car long as it’s not too far to work and you don’t live where it’s cold, it may be a little too big to put on the shelf with all my battery, electric drills I have several it’s just about as cheap to buy a new drill as a battery don’t think I wanna try to figure out how to put the truck on the shelf?
I hear and understand your frustrations on this purchase. All very valid concerns. I just watched a video of a Toyota hydrogen car. He spends on average an hour a day filling his car, at $36 per kilogram. At 4 kilograms, he was over $140, and it was still filling. Not cost effective. In the case of electric vehicles, your charging issues are similar. Time spent and number of times it needs filling are a very real concern. In my observation of both hydrogen and electric, a person needs to understand the dollar amount doled out just to buy a 'new' vehicle, with new technology. The purchase alone isn't within grasp of the average family. The miles driven between charges is considerably less than miles per tank of petroleum vehicles. This adds up to more money spent and more time lost compared to match the miles per tank. By a lot. The idea of clean vehicles is well intended. The problem with electric vehicles is the production of electricity is being strangled. Which puts more demand on the system, which drives the price up. Coal burning plants are being shut down. Solar farms needs to be in the tens of thousands of acres to produce what 3 coal plants put out. Which means trees cleared, less crop land, or both. So acknowledging your valid concerns, there's more to negate the interest of purchasing an electric vehicle than putting one reason alone as the reason to buy one. 1) buying the vehicle. 2) dealing with charging time. 3) Dealing with charging costs. 4) Dealing with time lost, due to charging time and frequency. 5) The burden of using electricy, expecting people to turn off fans, lights and A/C in their homes and businesses so charging is available for electric vehicles is unrealistic. The infrastructure for electric and hydrogen powered vehicles have not been planned out ahead of time, as they should have been. Imagine a neurologist performing a deep brain stimulation procedure, without any tier 4 MRIs, cognitive test or acquiring information with an entire team of professionals ahead of the procedure. Just cut a hole and start inserting blindly. That is EXACTLY what is happening and has been propagated on the country with this "Clean energy" concept. Your stance on clean energy is yours. The person next to you has theirs. I have mine. Regardless of our stances, the powers that be put the cart before the horse. And trendy people, that blindly follow, without any forethought, are now guinea pigs and shining examples of how our government that likes pushing ideas, have FAILED to plan a course of transition. And it is most definitely affecting all of us in our electric bills.
Another example. A trucking company in Illinois wanted to go all electric fleet. The city flat out said, NO. They would use more electricity charging their trucks and running their business than the ENTIRE city. I'm happy that you put this video out. It was educational, informative and well stated. The concerns you stated are valid and real. They stand as a great source for those teetering on the fence about buying an electric vehicle.
To add to this, China, India and a few other countries far surpass and continue to add, without repercussion, to the pollution in our air. Let's not get started on Chem trails.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I hope you find a middle ground for your dilemma. Peace.
wait till it stays cold a few days at a time or better... hot summer when running the ac on high.... lol
I believe EV's have their place. For local urban commuting, they are somewhat suitable (but only if you are charging from your own solar grid at home). If a person is living in a rural location or needs to travel extended distances, ICE is the only viable solution (for now). There will be many technological advancements in the next 10 years. For now, I will leave the EV's in their best possible location... the dealer's sales lot.
You don't need solar at home to make EVs a viable choice. Where my son lives grid power is about 10 cents (US) per kWh, and at that price charging an EV is dirt cheap.
I travel extended distances all the time with my Tesla. Their charging network is extensive and reliable. I can go pretty much anywhere without the hassles shown in this video, and the places that are hard to get to get fewer every day, as Tesla continued opening and expanding charging sites at a rapid clip.
And if I want to expand my charging options, I can get a $200 adapter for my Tesla that lets me charge at every non-Tesla DC fast charger.
For example, there is currently (Feb 2023) a gap in the Supercharger coverage that makes going to Carlsbad caverns in New Mexico difficult in a Tesla EV. But the town of Carlsbad has two non-Tesla DC fast chargers, and assuming they are working, the adapter would let me charge there, and that gets me in and out of an area that is otherwise unreachable.
Still when my relative with a Tesla stops by for a visit and spends the night, I don't have to wonder why my electric bill is $40. more than the bill before! It's like driving a gas car to a friends and giving them a bill for the fuel it took to get me to get there.
Their place is the 15 minute cities the Globalists want us living in. And with the recent chemical spills everywhere, they are well on their way to success. Part of the 2030 Agenda agreement is that the government can seize any and all land they deem to be toxic,. Mark my words, they will be seizing land under the guise of "keeping people safe". Look up how many trains with chemicals have derailed recently, after all, railroads were how America began, it's fitting that railways would be used to end the freedoms we've had...
@@richs7362 That's an uncomfortable conversation you'll have to make...
@@richs7362 Unless you live in some weird state with ridiculously high electricity rates, there are exactly zero Tesla's even made that can use $40 worth of electricity. The average electricity rate in the USA is $0.13 per kWh, and even the largest Tesla battery is 100kWh. So, charging it from 0% to 100% would worst case scenario cost around $13 or so....
I went to a local Ford dealer to pick up a Ford Lightning today. Something did not add up so I decided to come home without it. Then I found your video.
Thank you. I decided to not get Ford Lightning. I could have regretted 80,000 reasons.
What did not add up?
Do not base your decision on this guys video!!! You do NOT need a Ford branded Level 2 charger! I bought a Lightning yesterday and it works fine with our Juice Net charger!