Love filling my truck up to full in less than 2 minutes and being able to go 400 miles and i dont have to have an app to do it. Cold or hot dont matter. And I love being able to go to any gas station basically and fill up and not have to worry about whether or not it's going to work.
to be honest one of the facets of range anxiety is that "if you run out of gas (power) you can't call your buddy and have them bring you 5 gallons of gas!! or a pinch hitting battery? That's my word picture!!!
@@derekheuring2984 Just commenting because you are wrong. You can get power delivered for road side assistance. Any f150 that has propower on board with a 220 Outlet can charge an EV very quickly.
@@golf_tango_delta I just did a search, and there's one at a dealership not too far from me with a price of $109,000. Now they did have some in the $80k+ range, but holy cow.
@@tornadotj2059 Who's buying these vehicles at the proper $400k per year salary our parents (% wise) purchased vehicles at (25% max of yearly gross income)? My dad passed just 2 years ago, he bought nothing but new cars since 1975. He paid CASH for every used and new car he ever purchased in his life. BY DESIGN. Dad was just a guy running a machine on a factory floor.
It's the tail wagging the dog. The exciting (and stressful) vacation where your focus is on your transportation making it there and back home. What fun!!
Ford really dropped the ball on the F-150 Lightning. I bought a brand new one a few months ago and actually made the dealer take it back a week later and unwind the deal. It was cold outside and I could barely get 150 miles of range out of it, with no load.
Thank you for priceless information. I recklessly thought of using my use my first social security check next fall on payments for a truck with a punishing price tag.
Had to sell my Ford focus after 2 months of owning it because of the common transmission issues. They told me it would be 6-8 months before they could get a transmission in and it was under warranty. Sold that POS and won’t ever buy a ford again
In my hectic & complex life, I work hard to REDUCE as many stresses as possible, buying an EV would do the exact opposite of that. Thank you for the great video.
You'd want to buy a Tesla. Then your life would be simplified by not having to visit a gas station but "fillup" at home, without the hassle stated here
Just like cars, one electric car is not the same as the other. Tesla is just acing every metric there is and are building the most practical, safe and econimal cars, and because of the Tesla charging network, none of these problems apply. Just think about that when you gas car has broken down again, or you need to bring it in for service.
So…the lesson here is, if you’re taking a long road trip with an EV, bring a charger and an extension cord that you know will work, and understand where your charging options are along the path in case your battery runs out due to unexpected weather/load. If you only daily drive your EV within the limits of your home city…this is probably not a concern.
yeah its called convenience. ill pay whatever gas costs.. and be done with it . not all of us have hours everyday working on getting your car to work. wierd why anyone does this.
I guess that derives from “never take no for an answer “. I have had my dealings with pushy dealers and when I said no, one of them followed me all the way out to the parking lot “what’s the problem? What can we do to get you to buy?” I said “the problem is $20/30 thousand dollars doesn’t just burn a hole in my pocket. I have to talk to my better half about it”. He gave me the hand flip and said “you’re not ready to buy” and walked away. I said nice and loud “not ready to buy from YOU”. We went to a different dealer-same manufacturer. Totally different experience and bought the same car. We drove it to the first dealership, saw the guy and said “NOW we’re ready to buy “. That dealership went out of business a short time later. Gee, I wonder why
Dude, you’re a saint! At $100k price point, Ford should include a butler with every EV truck they sell so they can charge the vehicle for you w/o you asking. Lol
This is called the EV learning curve! I drive a bolt EV it is the best car i have ever had! I did a roadtrip from San Antonio To Missouri to Tennesee and back. We had a great time and the chargers are fine once you get past the learning curve. I wish you the best luck with your ev!
I agree. I recently bought a Rivian and it’s by far the best car I’ve ever had. I just got back from my first road trip, about 5 hours away, and I found charging along the way to be incredibly easy and convenient. The charging stations were clean, available, and fast. In a quick 20-minute stop, I could use the bathroom, grab a quick snack and drink, stretch my legs, add 170 miles worth of charge, and be back on the road. I’m so glad to never have to use a gas station ever again.
Ford straight up lied about the range they said I would get. They said 250 miles. The sales staff said 200 to 220 is more realistic and 250 under perfect conditions. I get 120 miles per charge. And the local charging networks are ALWAYS down. You can't count on them AT ALL.
These are the type of reviews I wanna see. Any reasonable person knows that things can go wrong with a new product but it’s really about how a company goes about fixing things or recovering that shows a company’s true colors.
Ford actually reached out to me after watching this video. I'm going to be dropping another video about that interaction tomorrow. Subscribe and let me know your thoughts
The only way EV pickups will ever work is with a new battery technology that cuts weight and improves range to the 400-600 mile range and can be recharged in 10 minutes.
I've been telling everyone for years that one of Tesla's biggest advantages, (they have many) is their supercharging network. Making the vehicle is one thing, getting it to function in a normal person's life without requiring them to make a bunch of concessions just to own it is another.
Very well said, I like the ideal, but it’s still a little bit to much trouble for me to consider seriously, my son had a Tesla 3, great car, but traded it in on a Chevy Volt and said he’s much happier with the hybrid, the Tesla was awesome, fast and so techy.
@@poppyneese1811 trading a Tesla for a Bolt is ridiculous UNLESS you cant afford the Tesla, The bolt is a lackluster attempt at a compliance car thats still only made in very low volume which makes it worse in general. Its certainly better than a gas car in many ways EXCEPT that its made by GM a terrible company that lies constantly in their marketing fluff.
@@lrod8692 I would agree with that if your daily commute is under 50 miles, and you never use your vehicle for a road trip. We charge at home off of residential solar every night and 90+ percent of the time never have a second thought, but especially during the winter when you have the potential to lose 30 to 40% of your battery range and you’ve got to make a little bit of a trip, charging on the road is a must for sanity and practicality. If you don’t have the SC Network, and are relying on the myriad of private party networks that generally cost more money, have serious intermittent reliability issues, and often times do not charge nearly as fast., it puts a real hindrance in the driving experience. Doesn’t matter how fast your car goes from 0 to 60 if you can’t get it out of the parking lot.
My adult son put in a reservation for the Ford Lightening and it came in about 8 months later. He bought it and did the electrical work to connect the charger to the electric box in his home basement out to the garage where the charger box and cord is located. He has had it for 10 months, the Wisconsin Summer, Fall and now the Winter. He has done a 300 mile road trip which required him to scout for fast chargers on route. Those are not plentiful in the upper Mid-West. Now it's Winter, he has found range is short and charging takes a long time as the battery does not like cold temps. He will keep the truck and mostly uses it for 40 mile round trips to his work-place.
7 years having a model S, gives you credibility. I love the comment Ford makes vehicles, Tesla makes a great interface. My lightning test drives made me like the truck. The stuff you cover in this video is stuff that you don't know until you own and use it. Very helpful. Good luck with the channel.
@Jetters Garage any day now, I am expecting my ordered F-150 lightning to make it to the dealership. I have been up front with them about my concerns and made it clear I most likely would not follow through with purchasing it. I haven't had time to look into any current information to determine if it would be a good investment to purchase it while I wait for my cybertruck. Do you have any advice on it?
@@KHugg1776 eh I think buying electric cars is ok for city use but a truck is sketchy at best unless you just like truck looks because it's not going to be a good truck truck
Thanks for the video, I was going to look at one of these. I was on the fence anyway but thanks to you I'm not even going to waste my time. How a company stands by their product is very important to me.
I would highly recommend, looking at the fiasco in chicago, at the cold and the EV's. no person that had a functioning mind would purchase one of these. The cold makes the charging station non functional.
Get a Rivian. 90% of this guy’s complaints are Ford problems, not EV problems. The Rivian app is perfect, and would solve all of this guy’s issues. Plus, this guy is kind of a girly man; I mean he didn’t think to check to see if his truck was charging after he plugged it in the first night? Then, after the second night, it finally occurred to him to use a decent extension cord? He didn’t know it only charges at 2 mph on 110 volts? He complains that some charging stations are in bad areas, implying that all gas stations are in great areas? He should have a Prius, not a F-150. My Rivian and is by far the best car I’ve ever had.
@@markroberts8975 EV's are not ready for primetime. Nobody wants them for many important reasons like costs of repairs. There was a story on CNBC about how a large portion of EV's end up totaled because of an otherwise relatively simply component failure. Nobody knows how to fix these things so you end up selling your house or your car.
@@lgsprings5623 I've seen that too; that's one of the reasons I waited years to go electric. A few months ago, I decided to contact my insurance agent for a quote to insure a 2024 Rivian, and the price was almost identical to my 2019 Subaru Outback. I reserved my Rivian the next morning. If the insurance company isn't concerned about totaling the truck, why should I be? I wonder if it's just an overblown "problem" with EV's that we're all being sold, kind of like how inconvenient it supposedly is to charge. I plug mine in when I get home; it takes 5 seconds to plug it in, and I have a full charge every morning. Admittedly, EV's aren't for everyone; they're not ideal for people who tow a lot, can't charge at home for various reasons, drive several hundred miles for work every day, and/or can't afford to pay extra for a premium car. For just about everyone else, they're far superior to gas cars.
Interesting experience. Most of the truck is pretty good, but the basics of getting to a destination without stress, finding a working charging station and using the truck as anything more than a family vehicle seems to be massive obstacles.
@@k.m.9801 something portable will give you six miles an hour. The better option would be AAA to have mobile units with DC fast charging capability (+50KW) for when you get stranded.
I pre-ordered the Lightning and canceled when I saw my local dealer wanted to charge me $125,000 for the one I ordered. I bought a Tesla instead and had a great buying experience. The $7,500 tax rebate helped, too. I recently saw the same dealer selling an F-150 Lightning with 4,000 miles on it for $78,000.. Goes to show that Ford dropped the ball not only with the truck itself, but with their dealers by not setting expectations on markup pricing. Good luck with it!
I was able to get mine without any markup but I wouldn't have bought mine if they had marked it up. I hate seeing that. Subscribe to my channel and I'll keep you posted on updates. Thanks for commenting.
How did Ford drop the ball on the Lightning. They are impossible to find because of their popularity and I don't remember anyone pointing a gun at me forcing me to pay a markup while shopping for a new Ford vehicle. I simply leave whether shopping at a Ford dealership or any other brand. Looking at some of the Stellantis Final Edition Dodge's. They included their markup in their MSRP. A Black Ghost edition Challenger with a basic plastic RT interior for $99,000.
Luckily for the rest of us there are people like you who really like having the latest greatest stuff and are willing to deal with the growing pains. Ford and other companies should be giving you guys awesome incentives to be the Guinea pigs and deal with all these initial headaches.
fuel tax is like 75% why you worried about something that cant even happen lol how you gonna tax differant electrical use do people even have brains or is it all bots on here.
Trucks are used for towing and hauling, if you think you have range anxiety with an electric car, try towing a trailer equal to the weight of your truck, and see how far you get Then try to get into a slot at the charging station with that trailer attached! A little thinking before signing the paperwork might have been in order.
Yep. All of these people tell you how great it is to not go to gas stations but then they spend hours sitting at “gas stations” (and apparently not even charging) along with endless range anxiety. What a fuckin joke.
I don't need a cell phone application to put gas in my car. This all sounds like it is not ready for prime time. I gather that the electric pickups don't tow worth a hoot--certainly nothing like a diesel.
Another issue you may find (as happened in the U.K) , thieves went in and removed all the cables from the chargers for the scrap value of the copper cables! Every cable was removed, plus they had also hit the chargers in the BMW depot next door to it! As you noted none of the chargers were listed as out of order on the app!
First I’ve heard of this happening and I’m in Uk with an EV. I’ve seen the screenshot going round on FB about waiting for smackheads to find out there’s copper in the ev Chargers but never ever anywhere have I heard it happen. 🤷♀️
Insider info: The "button clicker" works at the dealership you bought the truck from. So close but so far away. They likely held the report of sale to make it look like they had more vehicles in stock.
I don't work I'm the auto sales industry. I don't claim to understand all the tricks they use. But to me; I would think it would be better for them to put the sales on the website, claiming you can't keep them in the lot. That they're flying out of the dealerships to their new owners. As stated, I don't understand the inside of the operation. I don't see how it's good practice to claim having more cars on site than is a dually there. It reminds me of a Kurt Russell film decades ago called, Used Cars. It's shady practice, with the limited information I have of the inside workings.
That's absolutely WRONG! What oversight agency? Yeah, so safe Tesla had to recall every last car they made in America because of the dangers of the auto pilot. But hey, Tesla fanboys are in love.@@mikedar8484
You are out of your mind. Tesla just had to recall each and every car they ever sold in North America because of the dangers of their Autopilot to the public .How old are you?@@mikedar8484
I was on the waiting list and got the notice to plop down $500 to start my build before February 9th. The only models available were the Lariat and up. So, easily $65k and up for the bigger battery and other goodie’s that would be getting kinda close to my 2017 Platinum with only 39k The Platinum Lightning would be over $90k. I chose to let my reservation roll over and I’ll keep what I have for now. With zero range anxiety using it as a truck.
Getting an EV will be the worst decision you've ever made....get your head checked man - you're nuts. Lol....EVs are the biggest pain in the butt EVER - why add to the stress of everyday life with one more thing? GL
I hear you. My 2020 Lariat has all the bells and whistles and I love it. I can't justify almost doubling what I paid for it used to go electric and get the same creature comforts that I gotta admit I LIKE. My high standard of "living" lol with this current truck is why I can't consider a lightning...
The weight of the batteries requires that much of their energy capacity is required just to move the batteries. One gallon of gas weights approx 8 lbs. Lots of energy in 8 lbs.
I've had mine a couple months now and I experienced nothing that you mentioned in this video. App works great, all my charging experiences were as expected. 110 is very slow, but 220 is easy enough to find. Maybe a lot has changed in a year, not sure but it's not nearly as difficult as you portray
Sounds like they may have started to work out the bugs. When I made the video everything that I experienced was very real for most everyone. Thank you for the feedback and the comment.
I had reserved my Lightening for almost a year and then I gave up and bought a 3.5L Eco Boost...so glad I did. With the 32 gallon or whatever exact size tank it has and on 89 octane ethanol free gas I averaged 21.7 mpg on a 1,000 mile trip. After one fuel stop my range said 777 miles!!!
I had the power boost and was averaging about 20 miles per gallon. It was a great truck. Since I produced my own electricity I just got tired of buying gas. Do me a solid and subscribe to my channel.
@@dennisfahlstrom2515 - That must have been the Gen-1 Ecoboost. My 2018 F150 with the Gen-2 3.5L consistently gets 23-plus highway and 11 mpg pulling a 27', 7500 pound camper.
So if I understand the man, you can not simply plug the truck in and charge it without using going through a cell phone app? So if no cell service, no charging the vehicle?
If you frequently take long trips and can't put a level 2 charger at home, you shouldn't be getting any electric vehicle. But if that's not the case, electric vehicles are awesome.
@@OrwellNailedIt "Over ten years I'll save a few hundred hours not going to gas stations and service appointments." First of all you still need to regularly servrce your vehicle, if only for things like tyres and brakes. Secondly, I notice you say ten years as the time you will be keeping your Tesla. That is presumably how long your battery warranty lasts,. You probably bought a brand new Tesla. Whoever buys your Tesla after you trade it in will likely have to deal with the cost of new battery somewhere down the line, which is over $16,000. I also mention that because if you ever damage your Tesla (say in a collison), one of the likely costs to you even if just for a small amount of external damage will be a new battery if that battery was itself impacted by the collision.
And they are recovering those losses by charging ridiculous amounts of money for their ICE engine trucks. So, whether or not you are buying an EV truck, you are paying for and EV truck.
Buy a Tesla Cybertruck, you will be blown away! I own a Model Y and let me tell you, Tesla is decades ahead in every important metric, SOFTWARE, charging, efficiency, use of space, and costs!
@@Stephen-gi1rx Had an M3 for three and a half years, and it's never had any service at all, nor does it need any. From reports, I'm anticipating the lead acid battery will need changing in the next year or two, but I'm confident I can do that myself. New Teslas don't have a lead acid battery. Tyres are still fine, brakes you practically never use - emergency stops only. Current data shows that a reasonably treated 2170 pack is good for something over 300,000 miles, so when I swap the vehicle out (probably at around five years) the new owner will have over half of that. The pack - even at 70% capacity - has considerable (four figure) residual value for off grid energy storage. My pack has 16 modules which can be swapped out individually, and third party battery refurbishers are springing up who offer much better value than the OEM - in the unlikely event I were ever to need this. Your final paragraph has no basis in reality - sorry!
Waiting 2 years for any Ford product was your first mistake, especially for their first attempt at an all electric vehicle. Ford is certainly number 1 --- when it comes to the run around. They are also very good at throwing their vendors under the bus, Firestone and Navistar to mention the more notable relationships that went south. I used to own a fleet of Fords but they left me hanging one too many times (6.0-6.4) and I was tired of being their test subject at my expense. Good luck, you're are going to need all you can get.
I worked for FORD, at the dealership level, for 25 years. I was a certified Diesel technician. The 6.0 6.4 were and still are the worst engines ever built. You ARE the test dummy. I WOULD NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FORD! I own a 2015 Tacoma and just bought my wife a 23 CR-V.
Thank you for this video. You just convinced me to NOT buy an EV at least not NOW. Thanks for being the guinea pig for EV's. I'll wait until this gets better or it goes "way of the beta" Pun for those who were around during the VHS tape days.
Hopefully you heard by now that Tesla is opening up its Super Charger network. Adapters at stations for non Tesla vehicles. This should help everyone out. I charge my Tesla at home & when traveling have no issues with their superchargers except some stations being too small. Tesla is constantly adding new stations & expanding present stations where high demand is present. Having the modified non Tesla car app should help elevate these present issues plus have better charging rates. I heard that some stations charge per minute! I have had my Tesla for 4.5 years & now many peers have bought one. The money spent by VW appears to be a joke & someone greased their pockets with these funds
@@edornelas8275 Can I ask where you live? I've had four friends with Teslas that now drive ICE (Two S's, a 3 and a Y), and a cousin with a 3 and S that they're looking to dump. They've had ongoing QC issues with both cars, and realized it was crazy that they had $170k worth of automobiles in the garage, but felt like they needed to rent something to drive back home to visit family for Christmas (They got a Chrysler Pacifica for the trip from Memphis to NY.) I'm in NY. They're not good four season cars; using the battery to power a resistive heater really draws down range... It's brutal when you P90/D can't make 120 mi roundtrip with the defroster/cabin heater on, without stopping at a supercharger to top off (I was along for that ride.)
When new it is fine, after 5 years spend what you saved, disposable vehicles, when I see a video of an electric vehicle that reaches at least 300,000 miles without problems, maybe I will buy one...
Thanks for relating your experience. I already made up my mind not to go electric until I have my other two vehicles towed to the boneyard, but now that is written in stone.
Thanks for your honesty. That is a MAJOR problem that most of us would not be willing to overlook, no matter how much we like the style or utility of the vehicle. But, hopefully it all works out for you in the future.
Something about having a gas vehicle. Gas stations are literally everywhere they are always open and they always always work. None of what you said would ever convince me to go electric. But bravo to you for risking and risking is the key word here as taking it up to the mountains calculating your distance needed to get you back, on top of all the drama with charging stations is quiet the expedition in its self. With electric vehicles you can be really limited to going exploring when you get to a set destination unless you have the available power sources. The anxiety level would make me sick.
The EV's have only really been available since 2017, when the Tesla Model 3 appeared in mass. Up until then it was challenging to go on far trips. That's 6 years. 6 years from now they will def have the bugs worked out, and Tesla chargers will roughly quadruple. That will make it much easier. The issue with Ford, GM, VW is they went with the CCS standard. They should have gone Tesla from the get go. No issues.
I had a 1976 Jeep CJ-5 RENEGADE. The dang thing was so squirrely on ice, in four wheel drive. It would go end for end in a blink! I also had 1984 AMC Eagle. It went good in the snow, and ice, but it fell apart faster than I could fix it.
Once again, the pain and suffering associated with a massive paradigm shift is passed on to the customer. Meanwhile, manufacturers and dealers rake in the dough.
Manufacturer doesn't care about details, pass that to customer, Shame on Ford but not surprised as Corps try force consumers to do stupid things that corps do as they are lazy and don't do proper testing.
Lmao its not a paradigm shift, its a pipe dream brought to you by fascist authoritarian politicians dead set on controlling the pleabs in gen pop. Research how much raw materials, energy, and infrastructure would be needed.
Ford's losing massive amounts of money on all the recall and warranty claims they have to pay out. They can't pass anything on to the customer while the vehicle is still under warranty. The dealers make money on all this, but not Ford.
It's kind of mind blowing that you had the issue you did when you first got the truck, and it seemed as if no one could fix it. That lack of ability to take care of the customer is a huge red flag. I have many reasons why I wouldn't want an EV, but the biggest one is the charging. Listening to you talk about having difficulty getting it charged and then how you lost mileage overnight, all I could think was, what if there was an emergency situation where you needed to leave, but your vehicle didn't have enough charge to get you to safety. :( Thank you for making this video, I've never had the chance to see one of these trucks up close.
I think that across the board there is no quality control anymore. I bought a 2022 F150 power Boost. I want to love the truck but all the intermittent random issues worry me. 10k miles and have experienced brakes locking up, transmission slipping, keypad fell off, and infotainment/interface freezing up. Also showed up with a dent in the fender, a screw crammed under the tailgate liner, and the plastic steering column cover wasn’t clipped on and the fasteners were broken. Also I’ve never had a vehicle with such a swing in mpg. Summer I was getting 22-23 mpg and now winter it’s 16. Every tank is different and my driving has not changed. If you spend over $70k on a truck you should get better
Is the app required to charge? What happens if your phone gets lost or for whatever reason you can't run the app? I don't want a car that needs software in an external device and an Internet connection just to fill it up. All of this sounds really stupid.
"I don't have to go to a gas station ... just plug it in and in 30 minutes or so it's charged ... I had to go to 3 different charging stations to find one that had an open charger." That's just totally turbo awesome. Most people with a gas powered vehicle can go to any gas station, on any corner, fill up and be out within 5 minutes, but hey, the Lightening 'has utility'.
I laugh at the charger station situatio. Made my prediction early on this would be an issue and people said I was crazy. I laugh now and they struggle to find charging.
If you buy an electric vehicle than I would recommend having the room, finances, and infrastructure to install an at home charging station. We won’t talk about the rolling brownouts that too many of these charging can cause lol
Spoiler alert, he doesn't actually regret the purchase and would buy it again. The title was clickbait. My wife bought an EV, she loves it because she blows by gas stations laughing, it is a fraction of the cost for 'fuel' and it is greener cradle to grave. I like it as I will never do an oil change or a smog check and with regen, the brakes last longer. My trucks and heavy equipment are gas and diesel. I will start replacing them with electric depending on use.
This reminds of when i was a little kid, patiently waiting for something special at Christmas. And then Christmas morning comes, I finally unwrap it, and on the box it says "Batteries not included"! 🙂
..That brings up another point...where are we going to get all that Lithium for all these millions of batteries for all these electric vehicles, especially if/when we go all-EV?..isn't the supply of lithium much, much smaller than the supply of petroleum, even after we have been burning it for 125 years?....
Love your honesty. Thanks. I talked with a Ford Service Tech, they said "wait until this truck has been out longer, too many software bugs." I believe him.
EVs are for frequent, short range outings that begin and end at your personal garage with a charger in it. For that that are truly excellent. If your usage relies on a public charger you are going to get frustrated.
@@CosmicSeeker69 Well, you are paying for the cost of the station. But the power does cost more. For example I can charge at work for 34 cents per kwh, but at my house its 14.
In concept seems like a good idea for a truck. You got your typical truck cargo area for stuff you could only carry in the back and in the engine space you got your average storage trunk space for a more secure compartment.
I think that your drama would best be told in a made for tv movie. You could assist in writing the screen play. Be sure to include every phone call, what you said, what they said, the callbacks etc. because it’s clear that you love going over every detail. Oh my god the drama !! Then the real “thriller” as you hunt for a fast charging station. Compelling, informative. Audiences will laugh, they’ll cry, they’ll cheer you. Get your story told.
One more reason I’m sticking with my 13 year old Volvo S60 Diesel - nearly 1000 mile (yes, mile!) range - but even driving higher speeds etc. still get a 600 mile range. OK it’s got an 18 gallon tank - but as I’ve said for 15 years - recharging an EV with an internal battery is a nightmare. Have standard sized (small, medium & large) batteries that are easily removed and replaced with a fresh battery at a service station. If in a few years there are no gasoline or diesel cars sold then I’d first look at a hybrid; but full EV really only for a second, city car. Soon I’ll likely buy another gasoline only car (like a manual 6-speed!!) give me another 13+ years without the hassle! Steve on 15 Nov 2023
Skoda 2l turbo diesel. always 1000k range on fill - 55litres. 14 years old no problems. Have got as low as 3.5 litres per 100k and that's accurate but very special conditions - no wind, flat, 70kph, smooth road surface. Still can get that at 14 years old but only covered 135,000k. Never used a drop of oil. That's why, although I love EVs, I would never buy one. Get A$5,000 for my Skoda if I'm lucky. What would I have to pay for a EV? and I'd always be worried about where am I going to recharge and will I make it???
Big business thinks of people as sheep, it's easy to steer people in the direction you want, with just a few persuasive claims. Do anything, say anything to make a sale.
having worked in customer service for 34 years, i am confident of 3 things. first, you are a fun and sensible guy. second, you are well informed and proactive. and third, i am confident there is zero exaggeration in your purchase experience of your truck. i want to encourage people to "lean" on the people at customer service when calling about issues like this. i worked in a position that mimics that of the people at sun run. i had the power to make things happen....and sometimes not happen. my boss gave me authority to pretty much do anything to satisfy the customer. with that came the understanding that if asked, i explain my actions if it was deemed extreme (which yours was not not...i'd compare your example to receiving a vehicle w/o a spare tire). i realize this has nothing to do with the lighting itself, but i think we live more in the world of customer (non) service. happy motoring.
@@gahvno😂 so true that’s my opinion about all ev’s the vehicle look nice inside and out. I just don’t like the mode of it not being gas you’re in big trouble on any long trip will take you forever.
I believe EV's have their place. For local urban commuting, they are somewhat suitable (but only if you are charging from your own solar grid at home). If a person is living in a rural location or needs to travel extended distances, ICE is the only viable solution (for now). There will be many technological advancements in the next 10 years. For now, I will leave the EV's in their best possible location... the dealer's sales lot.
You don't need solar at home to make EVs a viable choice. Where my son lives grid power is about 10 cents (US) per kWh, and at that price charging an EV is dirt cheap. I travel extended distances all the time with my Tesla. Their charging network is extensive and reliable. I can go pretty much anywhere without the hassles shown in this video, and the places that are hard to get to get fewer every day, as Tesla continued opening and expanding charging sites at a rapid clip. And if I want to expand my charging options, I can get a $200 adapter for my Tesla that lets me charge at every non-Tesla DC fast charger. For example, there is currently (Feb 2023) a gap in the Supercharger coverage that makes going to Carlsbad caverns in New Mexico difficult in a Tesla EV. But the town of Carlsbad has two non-Tesla DC fast chargers, and assuming they are working, the adapter would let me charge there, and that gets me in and out of an area that is otherwise unreachable.
Still when my relative with a Tesla stops by for a visit and spends the night, I don't have to wonder why my electric bill is $40. more than the bill before! It's like driving a gas car to a friends and giving them a bill for the fuel it took to get me to get there.
Their place is the 15 minute cities the Globalists want us living in. And with the recent chemical spills everywhere, they are well on their way to success. Part of the 2030 Agenda agreement is that the government can seize any and all land they deem to be toxic,. Mark my words, they will be seizing land under the guise of "keeping people safe". Look up how many trains with chemicals have derailed recently, after all, railroads were how America began, it's fitting that railways would be used to end the freedoms we've had...
@@richs7362 Unless you live in some weird state with ridiculously high electricity rates, there are exactly zero Tesla's even made that can use $40 worth of electricity. The average electricity rate in the USA is $0.13 per kWh, and even the largest Tesla battery is 100kWh. So, charging it from 0% to 100% would worst case scenario cost around $13 or so....
@@Adam-vs2in This would be for emergencies such as going on a trip and you run into trouble, not all the time. To your point though, seems like electric trucks are very challenged in so many ways compared to smaller cars. Also, my 70 + year old Father got a hybrid Ford Truck. It's a beautiful truck but from what I can tell, it gets maybe 10% more mileage than a small EcoBoost V6. Not worth it at all
@@travisjazzbo3490 yeah I would never get a truck that wasn’t 4x4 or couldn’t tow a trailer. IMO having an EV truck is like buying a smoker that you can only cook hot dogs on.
Just as I was finalizing my reservation for the Lightning, I did the research about charging and learned all the woes. As a Tesla owner I know how it's "supposed" to work - easy app, ease of route planning so NO range anxiety, etc. So I 'pulled the plug' on purchasing a Lightning for now. This video confirms that decision. Its worth noting that all EV's DON'T suck. Tesla fought hard and against all entrenched interests to create a system that is truly revolutionary...and works! Rent one and see all the massive advantages. As a diehard Ford owner as well, I'll keep my gas F150 until my Tesla truck arrives!
Until power generation is revolutionary, it doesn't matter how revolutionary Tesla's stuff is. Until rare earths are no longer integral in the manufacturing, it doesn't matter.
@smorgdonkey Yup. Until battery tech moves beyond lithium, and all grids are nuclear fusion, it's not what we need. HOWEVER maybe it's a chicken and egg scenario and having the momentum of the vehicle industry behind them will accelerate development of those techs
@@alphaclean3364 I think that if CO2 is the problem, they should be working on CO2 solutions. Technology can solve the problem. Replacing an entire infrastructure with another infrastructure is really only helping the ultra wealthy get wealthier.
I live in Southern California and just about everybody has a Tesla. As long as your average commute is less than 100 miles a day, you can justify the limited range. A few guys at work have Teslas and we do a quite a bit more driving than most people and I’m always waiting on those guys. Somebody’s always stuck at a charging station or looking for one. If you live out in the country where you have to commute quite a bit, and there are few chargers…. Stick with gas.
After previously owning multiple Ford's, I've stopped buying them. One thing that's been a real issue, is availability of parts. I've had a petrol, two litre Ford Transit in my driveway for 5 years now, because I can't buy a power steering pump new. Research has indicated that even refurbished second hand have been having problems with seals, after as little as 2000 kms. Only reason I still have it is due to the $3500 worth of solar system that's been installed. I also work for an automotive parts supplier and there's often supply issues with Ford. Audi, VW, PASSAT, Mitsubishi,, Hyundai, Isuzu, Kia, and others don't seem to experience the same issues. I know this because I'm directly involved in stock control, and putaway.
After listening your experience with that EV truck, I’m loving more my gasoline car. It seems like you’re asking permission to move your own car to the manufacturer. Unbelievable!!! 😮 Thanks for the video 👍🏽
Same exact experience with mine…Sunrun was a joke to deal with. The electricians that came out were great but the rest was rough. I’ve had the same experience with the app. The most frustrating is the 30 charging errors that pop up every night on Ford Pass Messages….My Lightning is awesome, but everything around the charger and process with Sunrun has been a bad experience.
I'll stick with my ice. It only depletes energy when it's running. Filling up is everywhere. My mileage changes very little with normal use/conditions. Because I take very good care of my truck (servicing and overall upkeep), I have the potential to get 200,000 miles out of it with pretty much the same engine and drive train spending far less than the battery you'll be replacing. By the time you need to replace the battery in your ev, your vehicle will be worth far less than the battery you're putting in. Good video, good luck. Maybe I'll come on board in the future when things get better.
I've watched so many videos from EV owners and I have yet to find a video that made me actually want to own one. It seems like such a pain in the a$$ to charge these things. I spend 3 minutes at a gas station and I'm good for 400+ miles without a second thought. For some reason EV owners seem totally fine with wasting hour after hour charging their car. You guys can keep your electric vehicles. I'm sticking with what actually works.
Agreed. So many of these EV fans brag about "never have to see a gas station". Simultaneously, they'll waste hours charging, so what is there to brag about? It makes zero sense.
Bro I have a bmw m3 convertible. And a Tesla model y performance and another Ioniq EV. I hate the stupid ev crowd who push for gas to be banned. Hate them actually. But EVs are pretty damn cool and my Tesla is fast and works awesome as well. I do 90+% charging at home since I rarely drive long distances . But even if I do the Tesla network is awesome. Before that the normal EV network is annoying full of free loaders or broken chargers so if you can’t charge at home I would NOT. Get an ev except Tesla as charging sucks. But getting home at 5% ..plugging in and going to bed and then waking up with a full Tank is awesome. EVs are not for everyone but they can coexist just fine with gas.
That is a big mistake on Fords part. In order for this to be a success it has to work right from the begining. If not they risk not selling them. I have owned hybrids for 6 years and then tried a I3 and had issues. It was a comfortable car but the cold has a significant effect on range and here in Ohio it get cold in the winter. Please keep up the good reporting was great to read a well balanced article.
Hello Jed, that was a painful story to listen to. You are much more calm than I could be in those situations. I am pretty sure I will never own an electric vehicle. I could not deal with the challenges you have experienced. I have several awesome gas powered vehicles. I sleep like a baby knowing that there are gas stations everywhere. Good luck to you. I hope the charging stations are built and work.
Really appreciate the comment. If you're doing long distances gas is the way to go for now. Tesla has the most amazing charging networks. I think you'll like my next video. Do me a solid and subscribe would love your comment.
As mentioned earlier, EVs make sense in urban and more densely developed areas, but more rural areas will be challenged with the range issues for some time to come until a new generation of batteries is developed. For now, I think I'll look at a hybrid for my next vehicle, some of the advantages of an EV with an ICE for range reliability. Also, with regard to another comment about gas taxes paying for road maintenance, states won't let the EVs off the hook. Something like a mileage surcharge on vehicle registrations will be put in place to capture the taxes for EV use of the roads. And let's not forget the fabulous electric grid in our country. Last summer, Californians were asked not to charge their EVs because of the heat waves stress on the electric grid. With summers getting hotter and grids under stress, charging EVs could become an issue for electric companies trying to avoid rationing power when people are using a high amount of power for their AC units.
"I am pretty sure I will never own an electric vehicle. ". You must be pretty old then. After about 2035, you will be hard pressed to find a new non-electric car. All the major manufacturers are committing to only selling electric cars after that, except maybe the Japanese, which are quickly coming on board as they see the train is leaving the station. You'll be able to buy a used car for much longer, but gas stations will be dwindling as well as repair businesses.
@@billweberx I appreciate the feedback.. I would say look at the history of the electric vehicle.. They are not new by any means.. Some of the first vehicles were electric and they did not make it.. Before you count fossil fuels out of the equation look at the history. I think the hype on electric will run its course.. The USA does not have the grid to sustain electric. Fantasy in my opinion. We were supposed to have flying cars by now. What happened there?
the big innovation mod is to have solar pannels on the vehicle. the top of the hood and cab roof should have them built in, and there should be an option to get a bed canopy with more. and to help with this not overcharging the batteries, it needs A/C and automatic window openers. i know that the tesla network will soon be available, but to really get rid of range anxiety it needs to be able to limp.
Range…and TEMPERATURE ANXIETY ! You’re such a modern man. It was a pleasure learning so much about why I won’t be buying an electric car very soon. Great Spending in 27 minutes with you ! 👏👏👏🙏👍😎
Great testimonial and honest assessment of what appears to be an obvious launch problem--came out too early (suspect the CEO and Marketing execs forced the dev and build teams to hit the market way too early) and are using early buyers as beta testers. Moreover, it appears there was very poor, uncoordinated testing and alignment with third-parties (charging vendor, IT software, no adequate testing by the Ford business owners.) Standard rule in the auto business these days is NOT to buy the first release--first adopters always suffer. Reminds me of Windows products.
I really appreciate this video! I was literally moving my retirement around to purchase a Ford Lightning last year (or rather, get on the waiting list) and I’m extremely glad I decided to wait. Everyone I talked to after months of taking delivery of their’s has regretted it. Ford has tried to cut corners on the Lightning in all the wrong ways, especially for such a new technology and the usual comforts of this day and age.
Subscribe to my channel and I'll keep you posted. They are supposed to be doing an upgrade to the UI this next week. Waiting to see if it changes much.
You can no longer say Everyone, Alex. We are thrilled with our two and got last years to sidestep the price hikes and get below MSRP. My biggest gripe is the turn signal control not being as slick as our 2014 SVTs.
Cummins is selling a tow behind diesel generator that includes the appropriate extension cord so you can charge while driving. Since you have a pickup truck, you can take the power unit off of the tow behind trailer and just put it in your pickup truck bed. Then you only have to recharge (fill up) at Sunoco.
If you've been driving it that long it's probably reliable. Subscribe to my channel and I'll let you know when it's safe to buy. Thanks for the comment..
Greetings from Finland, I bought Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost 100 hp at 2018, it is a wonderful car with a decent music player. Drives smoothly and quietly, fun to drive straight or curvy roads. The motor gives fun power at lower rpm and fuel consumption is very decent. They stopped to make it, I thought it sold quite well in Europe. Ford can make very good little cars too.
Grateful for this video. We were seriously considering this truck. Instead, we are getting gas F150. Thank you for the time to make this video. EV simply isn’t an option for us yet, as we only use 1 truck…
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , all the time I lost and over all expense.. done! I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
My name Bill Thompson I own a 1992 Chevy Silverado extended cab pick up truck an a 2010 Chevy Impala I wouldn't trade them for any electric or Ev vehicle I think most people that are buying them is now wishing they didn't buy them they isn't as good as gas power vehicle they unsafe you go as far as you can with gas power vehicle plus they don't have a good resell value if try to sell it it's hard to sell it to an if you think you are saving the environment with buying a electric or Ev vehicle you very wrong so before you buy one think very hard before because you have a very big yard art to look 😮ps this man is one of those people it him long to find out that electric or Ev is the way to save the environment 😮
I love the bleeding edge/cutting edge early adopters. I sympathize with them, but I get endless entertainment and information from them and I don't have to pay for it! Thank you!
It sounds like a great truck... As long as you don't go anywhere too far, too cold, or too deep into the countryside. Though I guess buying a generator to live in the bed would also do the job... which might destroy the whole point of getting an electric truck.
Electric Motor vs Internal Combusion Engine in vehicles was a war that was finished over 120 years ago. Most people don't know this, but the first cars were actually EVs. It's been over 120 years and they still have the exact same problems they always have.
It's actually a very interesting story. I think everyone should be up on that. Maybe I'll do a video on that. Subscribe to my channel would love your feedback when I do.
As an EV owner, and without regard to your charger not being shipped on time, i can say that 99% of the time i leave the house with 90% full battery and zero stress. All of those weeks that i dont visit a gas station make up for the extra time charging on a long trip. Some of these issues are Ford specific, some are generic EV challenges that would have required research on your part in advance (winter range issues, hill issues vs regeneration, etc). Great video and you make some good points though.
I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would ever consider buying any electric vehicle. Driving across country until it is time for a refill, only stopping 10 minutes for gas and a double latte, then getting back in your car/truck and continuing until the next gas station 300 miles later. Simple, enjoyable, without any fear about driving further than 200 miles, especially over high mountain passes in Winter. My trips from CO to CA during Winter in my Toyota Land Cruiser was always an awesome adventure, no matter how cold the outside temperature, or how much snow required to drive through. I completely understand the title of this video, and I hope you can learn a powerful lesson from this purchase.
Forgive me, but where is there any advantage in an electric truck? Or an electric vehicle in general? Fossil fuels provide most of the energy that electric vehicles run off of. EV charging stations will never be able to match the speed of refueling, and range that fossil fuels provide. Not to mention the aggravation, and stress bordering on panic using such an inconvenient and unreliable vehicle . EVs are false economy and not an answer to fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are still the answer until we have nuclear powered vehicles. NVs, as I call them.
I appreciate the honest review and do see this as an early adopter issue. Like you said, I think software updates will address the Ford side of it. The charging however, is largely why I can’t leave my old truck behind. I never stress about range or lose 20 miles of range just by parking my truck. I still love the idea of an electric truck, but I won’t be an early adopter. Thanks again for the review!
the whole load thing just doesnt make sense. even if you dont pull a trailer, you may carry heavy loads in the bed. that reduces range i would guess. and you buy a truck to pull you boat or atv's or whatever. how does that make sense if an ev cant pull that. defeats the purchase of a pickup truck.
@@subaruamazon the price, and the inability to tow or have any useable payload and still be able to drive anywhere is what killed this truck for me. I have seen tests that folks have done towing with a lightning and immediately loose 75% or more of their range. That makes the ford lightning a truck shaped car, nothing more. Other people have different uses or desires for the lightning, but for me, it will probably never be a viable option. And the issues he just presented in this video probably knock any ford ev out for me as well.
@@opiegonebad58 And also...they say electric vehicles are green, right? How do they charge?...Electricity. What runs the electricity plants?...Coal/oil....hmmmmm. Yeah, that's not "green". If anybody figures out a way to recycle batteries cheaply...they'll be a millionaire. I agree 100% with everything you said. And besides, who doesn't love the sound of a V8?
Check your Owners Manual on using extension cords, you are likely only to connect directly, no extension cord!🤔 Have you used that extension cord yet???? If not, I would recommend you don't! It could cause a fire, I believe? You may have to ONLY connect your mobile charger directly, no extension cord!!!! I did that for my FIAT 500e and the extension cord pretty much melted after several uses and did damage the portable charger connector.
I like some of the features of the Lightning but it's not ready for prime time yet, and most people are not will to put up with all of the negatives you mentioned. Great job with the video, you are much more forging than I would be with Ford's shortcomings.
That extension cord doesn't look like it's the correct gauge - fire hazard. It's hard to tell, but it looks like a standard extension cord. You need an industrial gauge extension cord made for outdoor contractors rated at 25A or 30A. I'd also get two cords - one for 240V and one for 120V. Edit: I guess he realized that later in the video.
I had a 110 extension cord with it. Would need a bigger one for the 220. I just did another video on charging. I think you would be interested. subscribe to my channel and enjoy.
Similar happened with me with sunrun. When I called sunrun about my pro charger. They looked up my vin number and they said that my vehicle was still in production. I said no, the truck is not in production, it's in my garage. I had to contact my dealer about what Ford was apparently telling sunrun. And like you, I finally got Mt charger about a month later after many phone calls.
Thanks for the details regarding the various EV charging components. I find it more convenient to have these items (pump. hose, nozzle and trigger) already preinstalled at the gas station. The gas station provides these as part of their infrastructure where one size fits all.
At the present time I would consider a hybrid vehicle but not an EV. Here in Canada the charging infrastructure is non-existent and lithium ion batteries have challenges in cold weather. It would be surprising if a battery breakthrough doesn't happen within the next few years. Once it does, vehicles that rely on current battery technology will be worth very little. I really like what China is doing. For example, a Neo can do a battery swap in a matter of minutes, which is really nice. Thank you for the video.
Agreed I’m from Canada as well and got a PHEV, it seemed more practical and reliable than a pure EV at this time. Chile has decided to nationalize its lithium industry to it will be interesting to see how that effects the EV market.
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have also experienced similar anxiety...long road trip, planned/calculated stop...arrive and upon witnessing the situation, the anxiety starts...busy holiday weekend, super cold outside...only took a couple minutes to top off my gas powered V8 truck, but the beer cave inside had been cleaned outta Bud Light.
Love filling my truck up to full in less than 2 minutes and being able to go 400 miles and i dont have to have an app to do it. Cold or hot dont matter. And I love being able to go to any gas station basically and fill up and not have to worry about whether or not it's going to work.
to be honest one of the facets of range anxiety is that "if you run out of gas (power) you can't call your buddy and have them bring you 5 gallons of gas!! or a pinch hitting battery? That's my word picture!!!
@@highpointsights AAA members get 5 gallons delivered free wherever they are. EV owners? AAA doesn't deliver 5 KWs.
@@derekheuring2984 Just commenting because you are wrong. You can get power delivered for road side assistance. Any f150 that has propower on board with a 220 Outlet can charge an EV very quickly.
Gas stations go out of service when power goes down also. Basically.
@@mikedar8484 thats why most gas stations have generators now. ;).
I thank the Lord every day for guys like you because now I’m in and out of the gas station a little bit quicker because of the slightly less lines.
Haha love it. Thanks for the comment.
Smart, needing to go to the gas station every day and thanking the Lord for it.
@dvader3263 he is thanking for the shorter lines at the station, not for refueling.
Read it again.
@@gfarnden56 shh...you'll disrupt the cognitive dissonance that is shared between EV owners, feminists and the leftists.
@@zarroth lol.. well said
Price tag was enough for millions of people to just say no...
Priced a Ford F250 lately?
@@tornadotj2059 NO KIDDING😮
@@golf_tango_delta I just did a search, and there's one at a dealership not too far from me with a price of $109,000. Now they did have some in the $80k+ range, but holy cow.
@@tornadotj2059 exactly
@@tornadotj2059 Who's buying these vehicles at the proper $400k per year salary our parents (% wise) purchased vehicles at (25% max of yearly gross income)? My dad passed just 2 years ago, he bought nothing but new cars since 1975. He paid CASH for every used and new car he ever purchased in his life. BY DESIGN. Dad was just a guy running a machine on a factory floor.
It's the tail wagging the dog. The exciting (and stressful) vacation where your focus is on your transportation making it there and back home. What fun!!
Ford really dropped the ball on the F-150 Lightning. I bought a brand new one a few months ago and actually made the dealer take it back a week later and unwind the deal. It was cold outside and I could barely get 150 miles of range out of it, with no load.
Wow, that's insane. What part of the country are you in? Do me a favor and subscribe to my channel. I'll keep you updated.
That's bad my mother's ford focus gets 400 miles
Thank you for priceless information. I recklessly thought of using my use my first social security check next fall on payments for a truck with a punishing price tag.
Had to sell my
Ford focus after 2 months of owning it because of the common transmission issues. They told me it would be 6-8 months before they could get a transmission in and it was under warranty. Sold that POS and won’t ever buy a ford again
Did you buy truck for work ? Have you tried towing a loaded trailer 3or4 ton ?
In my hectic & complex life, I work hard to REDUCE as many stresses as possible, buying an EV would do the exact opposite of that. Thank you for the great video.
Very well put.
You'd want to buy a Tesla. Then your life would be simplified by not having to visit a gas station but "fillup" at home, without the hassle stated here
Just like cars, one electric car is not the same as the other. Tesla is just acing every metric there is and are building the most practical, safe and econimal cars, and because of the Tesla charging network, none of these problems apply. Just think about that when you gas car has broken down again, or you need to bring it in for service.
@@RikHeijmen I am almost 40 and have never had a gas vehicle break down on me...
I've been driving since I was 15 years old - in two months I'll be 80. I have never had a car break down on me and I have run out of gas only once...
The fact this video was made is enough for most of us to run the other way.
If the truck didn't drive so well, I would. Hoping they fix the issues.
Ice ice baby!!!
exactly
I looked at a Lightning at my local dealer. Ordered a diesel.
And you get to pay the +$50,000 dealer market adjustment for extra pleasure.
So…the lesson here is, if you’re taking a long road trip with an EV, bring a charger and an extension cord that you know will work, and understand where your charging options are along the path in case your battery runs out due to unexpected weather/load. If you only daily drive your EV within the limits of your home city…this is probably not a concern.
There's something about being able to jump in your truck and drive anywhere without worrying about where you're going to charge.
That's called FREEDOM
That’s called normal life!
Ford Fix Or Repair Daily...found on road dead 😂😂😂 💀
yeah its called convenience. ill pay whatever gas costs.. and be done with it . not all of us have hours everyday working on getting your car to work. wierd why anyone does this.
Take time to ask your Tesla car, it will tell you where and how to get there.
"Never take NO from someone who can't give you a YES." This is my new favorite quote.
I guess that derives from “never take no for an answer “. I have had my dealings with pushy dealers and when I said no, one of them followed me all the way out to the parking lot “what’s the problem? What can we do to get you to buy?” I said “the problem is $20/30 thousand dollars doesn’t just burn a hole in my pocket. I have to talk to my better half about it”. He gave me the hand flip and said “you’re not ready to buy” and walked away. I said nice and loud “not ready to buy from YOU”. We went to a different dealer-same manufacturer. Totally different experience and bought the same car. We drove it to the first dealership, saw the guy and said “NOW we’re ready to buy “. That dealership went out of business a short time later. Gee, I wonder why
Clever line! I like the principle: Don't deal with a person who has no authority to resolve the matter in your favor!
I guess that’s what a rapist believes also. 🤷♂️
I think that doesn't apply to this situation in any way or manner.
Dude, you’re a saint! At $100k price point, Ford should include a butler with every EV truck they sell so they can charge the vehicle for you w/o you asking. Lol
This is called the EV learning curve! I drive a bolt EV it is the best car i have ever had! I did a roadtrip from San Antonio To Missouri to Tennesee and back. We had a great time and the chargers are fine once you get past the learning curve. I wish you the best luck with your ev!
I agree. I recently bought a Rivian and it’s by far the best car I’ve ever had. I just got back from my first road trip, about 5 hours away, and I found charging along the way to be incredibly easy and convenient. The charging stations were clean, available, and fast. In a quick 20-minute stop, I could use the bathroom, grab a quick snack and drink, stretch my legs, add 170 miles worth of charge, and be back on the road. I’m so glad to never have to use a gas station ever again.
Ford straight up lied about the range they said I would get. They said 250 miles. The sales staff said 200 to 220 is more realistic and 250 under perfect conditions. I get 120 miles per charge. And the local charging networks are ALWAYS down. You can't count on them AT ALL.
These are the type of reviews I wanna see. Any reasonable person knows that things can go wrong with a new product but it’s really about how a company goes about fixing things or recovering that shows a company’s true colors.
Ford actually reached out to me after watching this video. I'm going to be dropping another video about that interaction tomorrow. Subscribe and let me know your thoughts
@@JettersGarage they must’ve called cause of my comment! 😂 JK. I subscribed cause of this video tho. Keep bringing great content.
Or say test your product, just a little ?
Despite what the manufacturers will tell you, EVs are still experimental. Somewhere between space vehicles and chat bots.
The only way EV pickups will ever work is with a new battery technology that cuts weight and improves range to the 400-600 mile range and can be recharged in 10 minutes.
I get annoyed having to charge my phone all the time.
I can't imagine having to worry about charging my truck.
Agreed, that’s why I got a gas powered phone
@TheGreatestShowman69 😂😂😂
And don’t the experts warn you not to leave your phone on charge overnight because of the fire risk! 🤔
@@TheGreatestShowman69Priceless comment. Few comments have me laughing out loud. Good job.
Your are on your phone too much!
I've been telling everyone for years that one of Tesla's biggest advantages, (they have many) is their supercharging network. Making the vehicle is one thing, getting it to function in a normal person's life without requiring them to make a bunch of concessions just to own it is another.
I agree. They make it very simple to become and adopter of their vehicle and network.
Very well said, I like the ideal, but it’s still a little bit to much trouble for me to consider seriously, my son had a Tesla 3, great car, but traded it in on a Chevy Volt and said he’s much happier with the hybrid, the Tesla was awesome, fast and so techy.
@@poppyneese1811 trading a Tesla for a Bolt is ridiculous UNLESS you cant afford the Tesla, The bolt is a lackluster attempt at a compliance car thats still only made in very low volume which makes it worse in general. Its certainly better than a gas car in many ways EXCEPT that its made by GM a terrible company that lies constantly in their marketing fluff.
Meh…. Tesla SC is good, but it’s not ideal to use it all the time. Once your charger is at home it’s the same for every EV
@@lrod8692 I would agree with that if your daily commute is under 50 miles, and you never use your vehicle for a road trip. We charge at home off of residential solar every night and 90+ percent of the time never have a second thought, but especially during the winter when you have the potential to lose 30 to 40% of your battery range and you’ve got to make a little bit of a trip, charging on the road is a must for sanity and practicality. If you don’t have the SC Network, and are relying on the myriad of private party networks that generally cost more money, have serious intermittent reliability issues, and often times do not charge nearly as fast., it puts a real hindrance in the driving experience. Doesn’t matter how fast your car goes from 0 to 60 if you can’t get it out of the parking lot.
My adult son put in a reservation for the Ford Lightening and it came in about 8 months later. He bought it and did the electrical work to connect the charger to the electric box in his home basement out to the garage where the charger box and cord is located. He has had it for 10 months, the Wisconsin Summer, Fall and now the Winter. He has done a 300 mile road trip which required him to scout for fast chargers on route. Those are not plentiful in the upper Mid-West. Now it's Winter, he has found range is short and charging takes a long time as the battery does not like cold temps. He will keep the truck and mostly uses it for 40 mile round trips to his work-place.
I think this is what it's best use is. Short trips under 100 miles. Thanks for your comment.
These are the kinds of issues that I would never want to deal with , and I won’t ! Good luck moving forward!!
7 years having a model S, gives you credibility. I love the comment Ford makes vehicles, Tesla makes a great interface. My lightning test drives made me like the truck. The stuff you cover in this video is stuff that you don't know until you own and use it. Very helpful. Good luck with the channel.
Thanks Brad!
@Jetters Garage any day now, I am expecting my ordered F-150 lightning to make it to the dealership. I have been up front with them about my concerns and made it clear I most likely would not follow through with purchasing it. I haven't had time to look into any current information to determine if it would be a good investment to purchase it while I wait for my cybertruck. Do you have any advice on it?
Funny, my test drive informed me to buy the Cybertruck instead.
@@JackofalladventuresWait
What battery range was that with. The estimated 300 mile range you only got 150 miles?
You purchased an expensive paperweight that took over a month to provide it's intended purpose. Thank you for sharing your experience.
That wasn't the takeaway from his video.
@@Mogul20478 The vast majority of the charging issues were on him though.
The only thing dumber than buying an electric car, is buying an electric truck.
@@KHugg1776 eh I think buying electric cars is ok for city use but a truck is sketchy at best unless you just like truck looks because it's not going to be a good truck truck
Thanks for the video, I was going to look at one of these. I was on the fence anyway but thanks to you I'm not even going to waste my time. How a company stands by their product is very important to me.
I would highly recommend, looking at the fiasco in chicago, at the cold and the EV's. no person that had a functioning mind would purchase one of these. The cold makes the charging station non functional.
Get a Rivian. 90% of this guy’s complaints are Ford problems, not EV problems. The Rivian app is perfect, and would solve all of this guy’s issues. Plus, this guy is kind of a girly man; I mean he didn’t think to check to see if his truck was charging after he plugged it in the first night? Then, after the second night, it finally occurred to him to use a decent extension cord? He didn’t know it only charges at 2 mph on 110 volts? He complains that some charging stations are in bad areas, implying that all gas stations are in great areas? He should have a Prius, not a F-150. My Rivian and is by far the best car I’ve ever had.
@@markroberts8975 EV's are not ready for primetime. Nobody wants them for many important reasons like costs of repairs. There was a story on CNBC about how a large portion of EV's end up totaled because of an otherwise relatively simply component failure. Nobody knows how to fix these things so you end up selling your house or your car.
@@lgsprings5623 I've seen that too; that's one of the reasons I waited years to go electric. A few months ago, I decided to contact my insurance agent for a quote to insure a 2024 Rivian, and the price was almost identical to my 2019 Subaru Outback. I reserved my Rivian the next morning. If the insurance company isn't concerned about totaling the truck, why should I be? I wonder if it's just an overblown "problem" with EV's that we're all being sold, kind of like how inconvenient it supposedly is to charge. I plug mine in when I get home; it takes 5 seconds to plug it in, and I have a full charge every morning. Admittedly, EV's aren't for everyone; they're not ideal for people who tow a lot, can't charge at home for various reasons, drive several hundred miles for work every day, and/or can't afford to pay extra for a premium car. For just about everyone else, they're far superior to gas cars.
Interesting experience. Most of the truck is pretty good, but the basics of getting to a destination without stress, finding a working charging station and using the truck as anything more than a family vehicle seems to be massive obstacles.
The long distances and off grid areas are the most concerning at this point.
@@JettersGarage Ford may need to throw in a gas powered Honda generator into their "electric" trucks. But I guess that would defeat their purpose.
You know how many people have suggested that? Do me a favor and subscribe to my channel I may do a video on this.
@@k.m.9801 something portable will give you six miles an hour. The better option would be AAA to have mobile units with DC fast charging capability (+50KW) for when you get stranded.
So it's really cool for media influencers to make videos of but not that much more then that. Seems like its well worth that $100K+ price tag lol
I pre-ordered the Lightning and canceled when I saw my local dealer wanted to charge me $125,000 for the one I ordered. I bought a Tesla instead and had a great buying experience. The $7,500 tax rebate helped, too. I recently saw the same dealer selling an F-150 Lightning with 4,000 miles on it for $78,000.. Goes to show that Ford dropped the ball not only with the truck itself, but with their dealers by not setting expectations on markup pricing. Good luck with it!
I was able to get mine without any markup but I wouldn't have bought mine if they had marked it up. I hate seeing that. Subscribe to my channel and I'll keep you posted on updates. Thanks for commenting.
How did Ford drop the ball on the Lightning. They are impossible to find because of their popularity and I don't remember anyone pointing a gun at me forcing me to pay a markup while shopping for a new Ford vehicle. I simply leave whether shopping at a Ford dealership or any other brand. Looking at some of the Stellantis Final Edition Dodge's. They included their markup in their MSRP. A Black Ghost edition Challenger with a basic plastic RT interior for $99,000.
@@DWH300 they dropped the ball. Any one willing to pay over MSRP for anything is a fool. So good job.
@Andrew Petersen Tesla is my wife’s car. I drive a Sierra AT4, so transporting plywood, kids, ATVs, etc. is never an issue.
@Andrew Petersen you can rent a truck for $20 on the rare occasion you need to haul drywall
Luckily for the rest of us there are people like you who really like having the latest greatest stuff and are willing to deal with the growing pains. Ford and other companies should be giving you guys awesome incentives to be the Guinea pigs and deal with all these initial headaches.
RIght... Like maybe a free Ford Lightning hat. lol If you like the content do me a favor and subscribe. Thanks for the comment.
But why electric at all ? What is the real reason and wait for the missing gas taxes to kick in … ouch electric fuel tax
fuel tax is like 75% why you worried about something that cant even happen lol how you gonna tax differant electrical use do people even have brains or is it all bots on here.
@@rockyboulders1885 just wait for politicians to screw with it
@@blondestrainger We already have one in our electric bill. Read your bill closely.
Trucks are used for towing and hauling, if you think you have range anxiety with an electric car, try towing a trailer equal to the weight of your truck, and see how far you get
Then try to get into a slot at the charging station with that trailer attached!
A little thinking before signing the paperwork might have been in order.
Spending your entire trip around charging/stressing sounds so much better than having to stop once at a gas station. Lol
Yep. All of these people tell you how great it is to not go to gas stations but then they spend hours sitting at “gas stations” (and apparently not even charging) along with endless range anxiety. What a fuckin joke.
I'll keep my (Gasoline) 2017 F-150 Lariat 3.5 V6 turbo ecoboost 550 mile range with full tank.
@@FlyingAceAV8B l
I don't need a cell phone application to put gas in my car. This all sounds like it is not ready for prime time. I gather that the electric pickups don't tow worth a hoot--certainly nothing like a diesel.
I really like my F350 6.7. To hell with little toys
Another issue you may find (as happened in the U.K) , thieves went in and removed all the cables from the chargers for the scrap value of the copper cables!
Every cable was removed, plus they had also hit the chargers in the BMW depot next door to it!
As you noted none of the chargers were listed as out of order on the app!
Thieves in the U K wow didn't see that coming . (from Chicago)
First I’ve heard of this happening and I’m in Uk with an EV. I’ve seen the screenshot going round on FB about waiting for smackheads to find out there’s copper in the ev Chargers but never ever anywhere have I heard it happen. 🤷♀️
I could see this being a wide spread issue in the future
And you know exactly who is responsible but traveler sites are police no go areas.
@@byteme9718 even though I'm in Texas I understand this comment.
Insider info: The "button clicker" works at the dealership you bought the truck from. So close but so far away. They likely held the report of sale to make it look like they had more vehicles in stock.
Agreed - I would be all over Ken Grody Ford about that charger ...
I don't work I'm the auto sales industry. I don't claim to understand all the tricks they use. But to me; I would think it would be better for them to put the sales on the website, claiming you can't keep them in the lot. That they're flying out of the dealerships to their new owners. As stated, I don't understand the inside of the operation. I don't see how it's good practice to claim having more cars on site than is a dually there. It reminds me of a Kurt Russell film decades ago called, Used Cars. It's shady practice, with the limited information I have of the inside workings.
This isnt a Truck problem... This is an infrastructure problem. It was the same with gas cars initially! Look at history.
Except the electric infrastructure is far less sustainable and far more expensive and literally LESS green at scale.
Just watching this and not experiencing it STILL gave me anxiety. No way in hell would I ever go EV.
How about Autopilot, having the anxiety of supervising this flawed tech when you could simply drive yourself and be much safer.
@@davidsoom1551 Autopilot Teslas are >< 6 times safer than a straight ICE car on average according to the oversight agency.
That's absolutely WRONG! What oversight agency? Yeah, so safe Tesla had to recall every last car they made in America because of the dangers of the auto pilot. But hey, Tesla fanboys are in love.@@mikedar8484
You are out of your mind. Tesla just had to recall each and every car they ever sold in North America because of the dangers of their Autopilot to the public .How old are you?@@mikedar8484
Biden will force you to buy one and if its from China the better for him
I was on the waiting list and got the notice to plop down $500 to start my build before February 9th. The only models available were the Lariat and up. So, easily $65k and up for the bigger battery and other goodie’s that would be getting kinda close to my 2017 Platinum with only 39k The Platinum Lightning would be over $90k. I chose to let my reservation roll over and I’ll keep what I have for now. With zero range anxiety using it as a truck.
Sounds like you have a great truck already. Appreciate the insight.
Getting an EV will be the worst decision you've ever made....get your head checked man - you're nuts. Lol....EVs are the biggest pain in the butt EVER - why add to the stress of everyday life with one more thing? GL
And Ford has recently raised the prices of the Lightning models to even higher insane levels. Easy pass.
Well they stopped building them so you're good.
I hear you. My 2020 Lariat has all the bells and whistles and I love it. I can't justify almost doubling what I paid for it used to go electric and get the same creature comforts that I gotta admit I LIKE. My high standard of "living" lol with this current truck is why I can't consider a lightning...
The weight of the batteries requires that much of their energy capacity is required just to move the batteries. One gallon of gas weights approx 8 lbs. Lots of energy in 8 lbs.
#truth
I've had mine a couple months now and I experienced nothing that you mentioned in this video. App works great, all my charging experiences were as expected. 110 is very slow, but 220 is easy enough to find. Maybe a lot has changed in a year, not sure but it's not nearly as difficult as you portray
Sounds like they may have started to work out the bugs. When I made the video everything that I experienced was very real for most everyone. Thank you for the feedback and the comment.
@@JettersGarage yeah I don't doubt your experience. Just saying it's not the case anymore. Did you sell it?
I had reserved my Lightening for almost a year and then I gave up and bought a 3.5L Eco Boost...so glad I did. With the 32 gallon or whatever exact size tank it has and on 89 octane ethanol free gas I averaged 21.7 mpg on a 1,000 mile trip. After one fuel stop my range said 777 miles!!!
I had the power boost and was averaging about 20 miles per gallon. It was a great truck. Since I produced my own electricity I just got tired of buying gas. Do me a solid and subscribe to my channel.
My F-150 Ecoboost got 17 mpg max and 8 mpg towing a light boat and trailer. I sold it within 3 months and took a bath. Never deal with Ford again.
@@dennisfahlstrom2515 I'm pretty sure last year Ford had the most recalls of any automaker...
@@dennisfahlstrom2515 - That must have been the Gen-1 Ecoboost. My 2018 F150 with the Gen-2 3.5L consistently gets 23-plus highway and 11 mpg pulling a 27', 7500 pound camper.
That's why i am buying a Chevrolet Silverado ev
I hope folks watch THIS before buying any EV. Thanks for taking the time & effort to explain this is in painful detail.
Thanks for sacrificing your time and energy to show us all what a pain it really is.
So if I understand the man, you can not simply plug the truck in and charge it without using going through a cell phone app? So if no cell service, no charging the vehicle?
Not only the fact that he sacrificed a load of cash on a vehicle that is dropping in value by the minute!
Sounds like a waste of money
If you frequently take long trips and can't put a level 2 charger at home, you shouldn't be getting any electric vehicle. But if that's not the case, electric vehicles are awesome.
It’s an electric vehicle 😂he shouldn’t have to show you what a pain it is you should already know it would be a pain
What is the average price per mile and how long does it take to charge. No offense I just wish I could get a straight answer.
That question is best answered when you consider the overall price once you need new batteries. Also EV's are worth only 50% after 5 years.
In the UK. EVs are only worth 50% after 1 year.
You've confirmed every fear I literally have about an EV. That said - I think Ford lost close to $3B USD last year pursuing EV's.
@@OrwellNailedIt "Over ten years I'll save a few hundred hours not going to gas stations and service appointments."
First of all you still need to regularly servrce your vehicle, if only for things like tyres and brakes. Secondly, I notice you say ten years as the time you will be keeping your Tesla. That is presumably how long your battery warranty lasts,. You probably bought a brand new Tesla. Whoever buys your Tesla after you trade it in will likely have to deal with the cost of new battery somewhere down the line, which is over $16,000.
I also mention that because if you ever damage your Tesla (say in a collison), one of the likely costs to you even if just for a small amount of external damage will be a new battery if that battery was itself impacted by the collision.
Ford didn’t lose a dime, the feds subsidized the EV rollout for the big 3 with taxpayer money.
And they are recovering those losses by charging ridiculous amounts of money for their ICE engine trucks. So, whether or not you are buying an EV truck, you are paying for and EV truck.
Buy a Tesla Cybertruck, you will be blown away! I own a Model Y and let me tell you, Tesla is decades ahead in every important metric, SOFTWARE, charging, efficiency, use of space, and costs!
@@Stephen-gi1rx Had an M3 for three and a half years, and it's never had any service at all, nor does it need any. From reports, I'm anticipating the lead acid battery will need changing in the next year or two, but I'm confident I can do that myself. New Teslas don't have a lead acid battery. Tyres are still fine, brakes you practically never use - emergency stops only. Current data shows that a reasonably treated 2170 pack is good for something over 300,000 miles, so when I swap the vehicle out (probably at around five years) the new owner will have over half of that. The pack - even at 70% capacity - has considerable (four figure) residual value for off grid energy storage. My pack has 16 modules which can be swapped out individually, and third party battery refurbishers are springing up who offer much better value than the OEM - in the unlikely event I were ever to need this. Your final paragraph has no basis in reality - sorry!
Waiting 2 years for any Ford product was your first mistake, especially for their first attempt at an all electric vehicle. Ford is certainly number 1 --- when it comes to the run around. They are also very good at throwing their vendors under the bus, Firestone and Navistar to mention the more notable relationships that went south. I used to own a fleet of Fords but they left me hanging one too many times (6.0-6.4) and I was tired of being their test subject at my expense. Good luck, you're are going to need all you can get.
Exactly, ford is EVIL !
Yep, I just canceled my Bronco order after receiving an email stating that it would be late Summer (after 1 year and a half) of waiting already.
@@cameraman655 I'd say you made the right move. Lots of quality issues.
@@tomjohnson3976 I wouldn't go that far but I will be very cold day in hell before I give them another penny for one of their trucks.
I worked for FORD, at the dealership level, for 25 years. I was a certified Diesel technician. The 6.0 6.4 were and still are the worst engines ever built. You ARE the test dummy. I WOULD NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FORD! I own a 2015 Tacoma and just bought my wife a 23 CR-V.
Thank you for this video. You just convinced me to NOT buy an EV at least not NOW. Thanks for being the guinea pig for EV's. I'll wait until this gets better or it goes "way of the beta" Pun for those who were around during the VHS tape days.
Love the reference.
Hopefully you heard by now that Tesla is opening up its Super Charger network. Adapters at stations for non Tesla vehicles. This should help everyone out. I charge my Tesla at home & when traveling have no issues with their superchargers except some stations being too small. Tesla is constantly adding new stations & expanding present stations where high demand is present. Having the modified non Tesla car app should help elevate these present issues plus have better charging rates. I heard that some stations charge per minute! I have had my Tesla for 4.5 years & now many peers have bought one. The money spent by VW appears to be a joke & someone greased their pockets with these funds
Do me a solid and subscribe to my channel so I can keep you updated. I'm going to do a video on the charging Network and how I charge at home.
I'll wait until we start using Di-lithium Crystals
@@edornelas8275 Can I ask where you live?
I've had four friends with Teslas that now drive ICE (Two S's, a 3 and a Y), and a cousin with a 3 and S that they're looking to dump. They've had ongoing QC issues with both cars, and realized it was crazy that they had $170k worth of automobiles in the garage, but felt like they needed to rent something to drive back home to visit family for Christmas (They got a Chrysler Pacifica for the trip from Memphis to NY.)
I'm in NY. They're not good four season cars; using the battery to power a resistive heater really draws down range... It's brutal when you P90/D can't make 120 mi roundtrip with the defroster/cabin heater on, without stopping at a supercharger to top off (I was along for that ride.)
When new it is fine, after 5 years spend what you saved, disposable vehicles, when I see a video of an electric vehicle that reaches at least 300,000 miles without problems, maybe I will buy one...
No you won't.
Thanks for relating your experience. I already made up my mind not to go electric until I have my other two vehicles towed to the boneyard, but now that is written in stone.
Just needs more time to work out the bugs. Do me a solid if you like the content and follow. Thanks man!
Thanks for your honesty. That is a MAJOR problem that most of us would not be willing to overlook, no matter how much we like the style or utility of the vehicle. But, hopefully it all works out for you in the future.
Appreciate the comment. Do me a favor and subscribe. Can't overlook the charging Network that you need to use on a regular basis if you're traveling.
Something about having a gas vehicle. Gas stations are literally everywhere they are always open and they always always work. None of what you said would ever convince me to go electric. But bravo to you for risking and risking is the key word here as taking it up to the mountains calculating your distance needed to get you back, on top of all the drama with charging stations is quiet the expedition in its self. With electric vehicles you can be really limited to going exploring when you get to a set destination unless you have the available power sources. The anxiety level would make me sick.
#truth
You could always bring a gas generator with you camping to charge your EV truck. 😃
@@markderoller7645 Why not just strap the generator on the roof and let it charge the vehicle while you're driving! 😏
The EV's have only really been available since 2017, when the Tesla Model 3 appeared in mass. Up until then it was challenging to go on far trips. That's 6 years. 6 years from now they will def have the bugs worked out, and Tesla chargers will roughly quadruple. That will make it much easier. The issue with Ford, GM, VW is they went with the CCS standard. They should have gone Tesla from the get go. No issues.
I can't wait for the vids of people getting physically violent at the charging stations. You never see people fighting for gas pumps 🤣😂🤣😂
I had a 1976 Jeep CJ-5 RENEGADE. The dang thing was so squirrely on ice, in four wheel drive. It would go end for end in a blink!
I also had 1984 AMC Eagle. It went good in the snow, and ice, but it fell apart faster than I could fix it.
Once again, the pain and suffering associated with a massive paradigm shift is passed on to the customer. Meanwhile, manufacturers and dealers rake in the dough.
The user experience needs more time and attention for sure.
Manufacturer doesn't care about details, pass that to customer, Shame on Ford but not surprised as Corps try force consumers to do stupid things that corps do as they are lazy and don't do proper testing.
Lmao its not a paradigm shift, its a pipe dream brought to you by fascist authoritarian politicians dead set on controlling the pleabs in gen pop. Research how much raw materials, energy, and infrastructure would be needed.
Ford's losing massive amounts of money on all the recall and warranty claims they have to pay out. They can't pass anything on to the customer while the vehicle is still under warranty. The dealers make money on all this, but not Ford.
It's kind of mind blowing that you had the issue you did when you first got the truck, and it seemed as if no one could fix it. That lack of ability to take care of the customer is a huge red flag. I have many reasons why I wouldn't want an EV, but the biggest one is the charging. Listening to you talk about having difficulty getting it charged and then how you lost mileage overnight, all I could think was, what if there was an emergency situation where you needed to leave, but your vehicle didn't have enough charge to get you to safety. :( Thank you for making this video, I've never had the chance to see one of these trucks up close.
I think that across the board there is no quality control anymore. I bought a 2022 F150 power Boost. I want to love the truck but all the intermittent random issues worry me. 10k miles and have experienced brakes locking up, transmission slipping, keypad fell off, and infotainment/interface freezing up. Also showed up with a dent in the fender, a screw crammed under the tailgate liner, and the plastic steering column cover wasn’t clipped on and the fasteners were broken. Also I’ve never had a vehicle with such a swing in mpg. Summer I was getting 22-23 mpg and now winter it’s 16. Every tank is different and my driving has not changed. If you spend over $70k on a truck you should get better
Bummer. I had a 21 Poweboost and it was great. Only downside was 20mpg.
Only a moron spends 70k on a not-a-truck - truck
I take that to mean that you love your power boost. Haha
Well ev don't have transmissions
@@JettersGarage I had an '85 Powerboat and was the fastest guy on the lake. Only downside was putting it away every winter......
Is the app required to charge? What happens if your phone gets lost or for whatever reason you can't run the app? I don't want a car that needs software in an external device and an Internet connection just to fill it up. All of this sounds really stupid.
It's because it's insanely stupid and people like him are falling into the trap every day..."a fool and his money are soon parted"
"I don't have to go to a gas station ... just plug it in and in 30 minutes or so it's charged ... I had to go to 3 different charging stations to find one that had an open charger." That's just totally turbo awesome. Most people with a gas powered vehicle can go to any gas station, on any corner, fill up and be out within 5 minutes, but hey, the Lightening 'has utility'.
Maybe you can buy a generator and haul it in the back to charge your truck😂
I laugh at the charger station situatio. Made my prediction early on this would be an issue and people said I was crazy. I laugh now and they struggle to find charging.
If you buy an electric vehicle than I would recommend having the room, finances, and infrastructure to install an at home charging station. We won’t talk about the rolling brownouts that too many of these charging can cause lol
@@StrikerV3 I have NO intention of ever getting one.
$100,000 plastic junk appliance.
I know of two people that bought one! Both traded them in after one month! Hoovie has a couple of great videos on his purchase!
Okay, I'll look for it.
Spoiler alert, he doesn't actually regret the purchase and would buy it again. The title was clickbait.
My wife bought an EV, she loves it because she blows by gas stations laughing, it is a fraction of the cost for 'fuel' and it is greener cradle to grave. I like it as I will never do an oil change or a smog check and with regen, the brakes last longer. My trucks and heavy equipment are gas and diesel. I will start replacing them with electric depending on use.
This reminds of when i was a little kid, patiently waiting for something special at Christmas. And then Christmas morning comes, I finally unwrap it, and on the box it says "Batteries not included"! 🙂
LOL love the story. Batteries were included but only half charged. If you like the content do me a favor and subscribe. Thanks for the comment.
..That brings up another point...where are we going to get all that Lithium for all these millions of batteries for all these electric vehicles, especially if/when we go all-EV?..isn't the supply of lithium much, much smaller than the supply of petroleum, even after we have been burning it for 125 years?....
exactly
Love your honesty. Thanks. I talked with a Ford Service Tech, they said "wait until this truck has been out longer, too many software bugs." I believe him.
#truth I'm hoping in the next 18 months they can work out a bunch of the bugs. I may be to optimistic.
EVs are for frequent, short range outings that begin and end at your personal garage with a charger in it. For that that are truly excellent. If your usage relies on a public charger you are going to get frustrated.
And ripped off
@@CosmicSeeker69 Well, you are paying for the cost of the station. But the power does cost more. For example I can charge at work for 34 cents per kwh, but at my house its 14.
In concept seems like a good idea for a truck. You got your typical truck cargo area for stuff you could only carry in the back and in the engine space you got your average storage trunk space for a more secure compartment.
I think that your drama would best be told in a made for tv movie. You could assist in writing the screen play. Be sure to include every phone call, what you said, what they said, the callbacks etc. because it’s clear that you love going over every detail. Oh my god the drama !!
Then the real “thriller” as you hunt for a fast charging station.
Compelling, informative. Audiences will laugh, they’ll cry, they’ll cheer you.
Get your story told.
Thanks for watching. The movie will be coming in July. Haha
And don't forget real-life interviews with thousands of people that are just as disappointed As You Are
Ice ice baby!!!
@@JettersGarage - seriously, you should film all of your phone cars and make a video.
One more reason I’m sticking with my 13 year old Volvo S60 Diesel - nearly 1000 mile (yes, mile!) range - but even driving higher speeds etc. still get a 600 mile range. OK it’s got an 18 gallon tank - but as I’ve said for 15 years - recharging an EV with an internal battery is a nightmare. Have standard sized (small, medium & large) batteries that are easily removed and replaced with a fresh battery at a service station. If in a few years there are no gasoline or diesel cars sold then I’d first look at a hybrid; but full EV really only for a second, city car. Soon I’ll likely buy another gasoline only car (like a manual 6-speed!!) give me another 13+ years without the hassle! Steve on 15 Nov 2023
Audi Q5 TDi, 600mi on 19 gal tank. Zero range anxiety, very efficient MPG.
Skoda 2l turbo diesel. always 1000k range on fill - 55litres. 14 years old no problems. Have got as low as 3.5 litres per 100k and that's accurate but very special conditions - no wind, flat, 70kph, smooth road surface. Still can get that at 14 years old but only covered 135,000k. Never used a drop of oil. That's why, although I love EVs, I would never buy one. Get A$5,000 for my Skoda if I'm lucky. What would I have to pay for a EV? and I'd always be worried about where am I going to recharge and will I make it???
Big business thinks of people as sheep, it's easy to steer people in the direction you want, with just a few persuasive claims. Do anything, say anything to make a sale.
I like the idea of it. Now if they can only execute.
It's better when you do your research before you buy rather than after.
having worked in customer service for 34 years, i am confident of 3 things. first, you are a fun and sensible guy. second, you are well informed and proactive. and third, i am confident there is zero exaggeration in your purchase experience of your truck. i want to encourage people to "lean" on the people at customer service when calling about issues like this. i worked in a position that mimics that of the people at sun run. i had the power to make things happen....and sometimes not happen. my boss gave me authority to pretty much do anything to satisfy the customer. with that came the understanding that if asked, i explain my actions if it was deemed extreme (which yours was not not...i'd compare your example to receiving a vehicle w/o a spare tire). i realize this has nothing to do with the lighting itself, but i think we live more in the world of customer (non) service. happy motoring.
Nonono. NOT well informed at all. If he had been well-informed he would never have purchased that ridiculously expensive piece of junk.
@@gahvno😂 so true that’s my opinion about all ev’s the vehicle look nice inside and out. I just don’t like the mode of it not being gas you’re in big trouble on any long trip will take you forever.
I believe EV's have their place. For local urban commuting, they are somewhat suitable (but only if you are charging from your own solar grid at home). If a person is living in a rural location or needs to travel extended distances, ICE is the only viable solution (for now). There will be many technological advancements in the next 10 years. For now, I will leave the EV's in their best possible location... the dealer's sales lot.
You don't need solar at home to make EVs a viable choice. Where my son lives grid power is about 10 cents (US) per kWh, and at that price charging an EV is dirt cheap.
I travel extended distances all the time with my Tesla. Their charging network is extensive and reliable. I can go pretty much anywhere without the hassles shown in this video, and the places that are hard to get to get fewer every day, as Tesla continued opening and expanding charging sites at a rapid clip.
And if I want to expand my charging options, I can get a $200 adapter for my Tesla that lets me charge at every non-Tesla DC fast charger.
For example, there is currently (Feb 2023) a gap in the Supercharger coverage that makes going to Carlsbad caverns in New Mexico difficult in a Tesla EV. But the town of Carlsbad has two non-Tesla DC fast chargers, and assuming they are working, the adapter would let me charge there, and that gets me in and out of an area that is otherwise unreachable.
Still when my relative with a Tesla stops by for a visit and spends the night, I don't have to wonder why my electric bill is $40. more than the bill before! It's like driving a gas car to a friends and giving them a bill for the fuel it took to get me to get there.
Their place is the 15 minute cities the Globalists want us living in. And with the recent chemical spills everywhere, they are well on their way to success. Part of the 2030 Agenda agreement is that the government can seize any and all land they deem to be toxic,. Mark my words, they will be seizing land under the guise of "keeping people safe". Look up how many trains with chemicals have derailed recently, after all, railroads were how America began, it's fitting that railways would be used to end the freedoms we've had...
@@richs7362 That's an uncomfortable conversation you'll have to make...
@@richs7362 Unless you live in some weird state with ridiculously high electricity rates, there are exactly zero Tesla's even made that can use $40 worth of electricity. The average electricity rate in the USA is $0.13 per kWh, and even the largest Tesla battery is 100kWh. So, charging it from 0% to 100% would worst case scenario cost around $13 or so....
Since it’s a pickup, it would have room in the bed to carry a “GAS” generator to be able to charge it.
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Hmmm.... And yet I get some people do that! Just in case!
Might as well have a gas truck. EVs aren’t good for the good ole green new deal if you’re using gas to pollute and charge it right?
@@Adam-vs2in This would be for emergencies such as going on a trip and you run into trouble, not all the time.
To your point though, seems like electric trucks are very challenged in so many ways compared to smaller cars.
Also, my 70 + year old Father got a hybrid Ford Truck. It's a beautiful truck but from what I can tell, it gets maybe 10% more mileage than a small EcoBoost V6. Not worth it at all
@@travisjazzbo3490 yeah I would never get a truck that wasn’t 4x4 or couldn’t tow a trailer. IMO having an EV truck is like buying a smoker that you can only cook hot dogs on.
Hate to ask what you paid for it, and what it's valued at now. Excellent video, thanks.
Just as I was finalizing my reservation for the Lightning, I did the research about charging and learned all the woes. As a Tesla owner I know how it's "supposed" to work - easy app, ease of route planning so NO range anxiety, etc. So I 'pulled the plug' on purchasing a Lightning for now. This video confirms that decision. Its worth noting that all EV's DON'T suck. Tesla fought hard and against all entrenched interests to create a system that is truly revolutionary...and works! Rent one and see all the massive advantages. As a diehard Ford owner as well, I'll keep my gas F150 until my Tesla truck arrives!
I agree. Electric doesn't suck if done right.
Until power generation is revolutionary, it doesn't matter how revolutionary Tesla's stuff is. Until rare earths are no longer integral in the manufacturing, it doesn't matter.
@smorgdonkey Yup. Until battery tech moves beyond lithium, and all grids are nuclear fusion, it's not what we need. HOWEVER maybe it's a chicken and egg scenario and having the momentum of the vehicle industry behind them will accelerate development of those techs
@@alphaclean3364 I think that if CO2 is the problem, they should be working on CO2 solutions. Technology can solve the problem. Replacing an entire infrastructure with another infrastructure is really only helping the ultra wealthy get wealthier.
@smorgdonkey Ideally technology and calculated restraint of consumption
I live in Southern California and just about everybody has a Tesla. As long as your average commute is less than 100 miles a day, you can justify the limited range. A few guys at work have Teslas and we do a quite a bit more driving than most people and I’m always waiting on those guys. Somebody’s always stuck at a charging station or looking for one. If you live out in the country where you have to commute quite a bit, and there are few chargers…. Stick with gas.
I agree.
or prius..here in Orange County prius and Tesla rule 😂
You charge at home. And basically always have a ‘full charge’. 🤦🏼♂️
@@ChrisLeiter What if you want to drive beyond your house? Road-trips out of the question?
"everybody"?
After previously owning multiple Ford's, I've stopped buying them.
One thing that's been a real issue, is availability of parts.
I've had a petrol, two litre Ford Transit in my driveway for 5 years now, because I can't buy a power steering pump new.
Research has indicated that even refurbished second hand have been having problems with seals, after as little as 2000 kms.
Only reason I still have it is due to the $3500 worth of solar system that's been installed.
I also work for an automotive parts supplier and there's often supply issues with Ford.
Audi, VW, PASSAT, Mitsubishi,, Hyundai, Isuzu, Kia, and others don't seem to experience the same issues.
I know this because I'm directly involved in stock control, and putaway.
After listening your experience with that EV truck, I’m loving more my gasoline car. It seems like you’re asking permission to move your own car to the manufacturer. Unbelievable!!! 😮
Thanks for the video 👍🏽
Same exact experience with mine…Sunrun was a joke to deal with. The electricians that came out were great but the rest was rough. I’ve had the same experience with the app. The most frustrating is the 30 charging errors that pop up every night on Ford Pass Messages….My Lightning is awesome, but everything around the charger and process with Sunrun has been a bad experience.
Just curious. Do you also have an Android phone? Wondering if they dropped the ball on Droid users.
I'll stick with my ice.
It only depletes energy when it's running. Filling up is everywhere.
My mileage changes very little with normal use/conditions.
Because I take very good care of my truck (servicing and overall upkeep), I have the potential to get 200,000 miles out of it with pretty much the same engine and drive train spending far less than the battery you'll be replacing.
By the time you need to replace the battery in your ev, your vehicle will be worth far less than the battery you're putting in.
Good video, good luck.
Maybe I'll come on board in the future when things get better.
I've watched so many videos from EV owners and I have yet to find a video that made me actually want to own one. It seems like such a pain in the a$$ to charge these things. I spend 3 minutes at a gas station and I'm good for 400+ miles without a second thought. For some reason EV owners seem totally fine with wasting hour after hour charging their car. You guys can keep your electric vehicles. I'm sticking with what actually works.
Agreed. So many of these EV fans brag about "never have to see a gas station". Simultaneously, they'll waste hours charging, so what is there to brag about? It makes zero sense.
Bro I have a bmw m3 convertible. And a Tesla model y performance and another Ioniq EV. I hate the stupid ev crowd who push for gas to be banned. Hate them actually. But EVs are pretty damn cool and my Tesla is fast and works awesome as well. I do 90+% charging at home since I rarely drive long distances . But even if I do the Tesla network is awesome. Before that the normal EV network is annoying full of free loaders or broken chargers so if you can’t charge at home I would NOT. Get an ev except Tesla as charging sucks. But getting home at 5% ..plugging in and going to bed and then waking up with a full Tank is awesome. EVs are not for everyone but they can coexist just fine with gas.
That is a big mistake on Fords part. In order for this to be a success it has to work right from the begining. If not they risk not selling them. I have owned hybrids for 6 years and then tried a I3 and had issues. It was a comfortable car but the cold has a significant effect on range and here in Ohio it get cold in the winter. Please keep up the good reporting was great to read a well balanced article.
Hello Jed, that was a painful story to listen to. You are much more calm than I could be in those situations. I am pretty sure I will never own an electric vehicle. I could not deal with the challenges you have experienced. I have several awesome gas powered vehicles. I sleep like a baby knowing that there are gas stations everywhere. Good luck to you. I hope the charging stations are built and work.
Really appreciate the comment. If you're doing long distances gas is the way to go for now. Tesla has the most amazing charging networks. I think you'll like my next video. Do me a solid and subscribe would love your comment.
@@JettersGarage I subscribed and will look for future videos.
As mentioned earlier, EVs make sense in urban and more densely developed areas, but more rural areas will be challenged with the range issues for some time to come until a new generation of batteries is developed.
For now, I think I'll look at a hybrid for my next vehicle, some of the advantages of an EV with an ICE for range reliability.
Also, with regard to another comment about gas taxes paying for road maintenance, states won't let the EVs off the hook. Something like a mileage surcharge on vehicle registrations will be put in place to capture the taxes for EV use of the roads.
And let's not forget the fabulous electric grid in our country. Last summer, Californians were asked not to charge their EVs because of the heat waves stress on the electric grid. With summers getting hotter and grids under stress, charging EVs could become an issue for electric companies trying to avoid rationing power when people are using a high amount of power for their AC units.
"I am pretty sure I will never own an electric vehicle. ". You must be pretty old then. After about 2035, you will be hard pressed to find a new non-electric car. All the major manufacturers are committing to only selling electric cars after that, except maybe the Japanese, which are quickly coming on board as they see the train is leaving the station. You'll be able to buy a used car for much longer, but gas stations will be dwindling as well as repair businesses.
@@billweberx I appreciate the feedback.. I would say look at the history of the electric vehicle.. They are not new by any means.. Some of the first vehicles were electric and they did not make it.. Before you count fossil fuels out of the equation look at the history. I think the hype on electric will run its course.. The USA does not have the grid to sustain electric. Fantasy in my opinion. We were supposed to have flying cars by now. What happened there?
This product brought to you by the same engineers that designed the self ejecting spark plugs in previous F-150's !
Ford is incapable of building a quality vehicle
Don't forget the crappy cam phasers and failing tranny's wade.
Yeah, we've been off Ford ever since. Haven't regretted it. These EV's are just toys.
the big innovation mod is to have solar pannels on the vehicle.
the top of the hood and cab roof should have them built in, and there should be an option to get a bed canopy with more. and to help with this not overcharging the batteries, it needs A/C and automatic window openers.
i know that the tesla network will soon be available, but to really get rid of range anxiety it needs to be able to limp.
Range…and TEMPERATURE ANXIETY ! You’re such a modern man. It was a pleasure learning so much about why I won’t be buying an electric car very soon. Great Spending in 27 minutes with you ! 👏👏👏🙏👍😎
"You're such a modern man."
That brings fitting lyrics to mind.
The problem's plain to see
Too much technology
Thank you. Your personnel experience is greatly appreciated. I have no intentions to purchase such a vehicle.
If you subscribe to my channel I'll keep you updated. Appreciate the comment.
Great testimonial and honest assessment of what appears to be an obvious launch problem--came out too early (suspect the CEO and Marketing execs forced the dev and build teams to hit the market way too early) and are using early buyers as beta testers. Moreover, it appears there was very poor, uncoordinated testing and alignment with third-parties (charging vendor, IT software, no adequate testing by the Ford business owners.) Standard rule in the auto business these days is NOT to buy the first release--first adopters always suffer. Reminds me of Windows products.
So what if you are in a cell phone void area? There are lots of places that my cell phone doesn't work.
I really appreciate this video! I was literally moving my retirement around to purchase a Ford Lightning last year (or rather, get on the waiting list) and I’m extremely glad I decided to wait. Everyone I talked to after months of taking delivery of their’s has regretted it. Ford has tried to cut corners on the Lightning in all the wrong ways, especially for such a new technology and the usual comforts of this day and age.
Subscribe to my channel and I'll keep you posted. They are supposed to be doing an upgrade to the UI this next week. Waiting to see if it changes much.
what corners did they cut? I would be turned off by the 100 percent markups that i have been reading about.
You can no longer say Everyone, Alex. We are thrilled with our two and got last years to sidestep the price hikes and get below MSRP. My biggest gripe is the turn signal control not being as slick as our 2014 SVTs.
Ram Rev. Period
Cummins is selling a tow behind diesel generator that includes the appropriate extension cord so you can charge while driving. Since you have a pickup truck, you can take the power unit off of the tow behind trailer and just put it in your pickup truck bed. Then you only have to recharge (fill up) at Sunoco.
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Or just buy a diesel truck for half the price.
@@AB-qt4dj but you are not “saving the earth”
I’m still driving the truck I bought new in 1998. Looks like I’m keeping it.
If you've been driving it that long it's probably reliable. Subscribe to my channel and I'll let you know when it's safe to buy. Thanks for the comment..
Greetings from Finland, I bought Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost 100 hp at 2018, it is a wonderful car with a decent music player. Drives smoothly and quietly, fun to drive straight or curvy roads. The motor gives fun power at lower rpm and fuel consumption is very decent. They stopped to make it, I thought it sold quite well in Europe. Ford can make very good little cars too.
Grateful for this video.
We were seriously considering this truck. Instead, we are getting gas F150. Thank you for the time to make this video. EV simply isn’t an option for us yet, as we only use 1 truck…
You might want to rethink that. I'm pretty sure last year Ford had the most recalls of any automaker......
@@geraldg3130 Fudge. You’re right. smh
EV's would make a good second vehicle for running round town.
This is one of the best critic video I have seen yet. I'm frantically researching to see if I should fulfill my reservation and this helped a ton!
Keep your gas don't try electric
Early adapters pay the price
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , all the time I lost and over all expense.. done! I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
What on earth were you driving? We just use our EV like any other car we have had. Zero drama.
My name Bill Thompson I own a 1992 Chevy Silverado extended cab pick up truck an a 2010 Chevy Impala I wouldn't trade them for any electric or Ev vehicle I think most people that are buying them is now wishing they didn't buy them they isn't as good as gas power vehicle they unsafe you go as far as you can with gas power vehicle plus they don't have a good resell value if try to sell it it's hard to sell it to an if you think you are saving the environment with buying a electric or Ev vehicle you very wrong so before you buy one think very hard before because you have a very big yard art to look 😮ps this man is one of those people it him long to find out that electric or Ev is the way to save the environment 😮
I love the bleeding edge/cutting edge early adopters. I sympathize with them, but I get endless entertainment and information from them and I don't have to pay for it! Thank you!
Please subscribe if you like watching me cry man tears...haha
It sounds like a great truck... As long as you don't go anywhere too far, too cold, or too deep into the countryside. Though I guess buying a generator to live in the bed would also do the job... which might destroy the whole point of getting an electric truck.
Or tow anything too heavy....
Electric Motor vs Internal Combusion Engine in vehicles was a war that was finished over 120 years ago. Most people don't know this, but the first cars were actually EVs. It's been over 120 years and they still have the exact same problems they always have.
It's actually a very interesting story. I think everyone should be up on that. Maybe I'll do a video on that. Subscribe to my channel would love your feedback when I do.
Jay Leno's Garage has some great EV reviews. Like the Baker Electric from 1909 - a big hit with the ladies!
As an EV owner, and without regard to your charger not being shipped on time, i can say that 99% of the time i leave the house with 90% full battery and zero stress. All of those weeks that i dont visit a gas station make up for the extra time charging on a long trip. Some of these issues are Ford specific, some are generic EV challenges that would have required research on your part in advance (winter range issues, hill issues vs regeneration, etc). Great video and you make some good points though.
I cannot begin to imagine why anyone would ever consider buying any electric vehicle. Driving across country until it is time for a refill, only stopping 10 minutes for gas and a double latte, then getting back in your car/truck and continuing until the next gas station 300 miles later. Simple, enjoyable, without any fear about driving further than 200 miles, especially over high mountain passes in Winter. My trips from CO to CA during Winter in my Toyota Land Cruiser was always an awesome adventure, no matter how cold the outside temperature, or how much snow required to drive through. I completely understand the title of this video, and I hope you can learn a powerful lesson from this purchase.
Exactly!
Not to mention that the electricity is still most likely coming from a fossil fuel source.
Forgive me, but where is there any advantage in an electric truck? Or an electric vehicle in general? Fossil fuels provide most of the energy that electric vehicles run off of. EV charging stations will never be able to match the speed of refueling, and range that fossil fuels provide.
Not to mention the aggravation, and stress bordering on panic using such an inconvenient and unreliable vehicle .
EVs are false economy and not an answer to fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are still the answer until we have nuclear powered vehicles. NVs, as I call them.
@@flapjackson6077 exactly, there is no hope for humanity at this point.
I appreciate the honest review and do see this as an early adopter issue. Like you said, I think software updates will address the Ford side of it. The charging however, is largely why I can’t leave my old truck behind. I never stress about range or lose 20 miles of range just by parking my truck. I still love the idea of an electric truck, but I won’t be an early adopter. Thanks again for the review!
the whole load thing just doesnt make sense. even if you dont pull a trailer, you may carry heavy loads in the bed. that reduces range i would guess. and you buy a truck to pull you boat or atv's or whatever. how does that make sense if an ev cant pull that. defeats the purchase of a pickup truck.
@@subaruamazon the price, and the inability to tow or have any useable payload and still be able to drive anywhere is what killed this truck for me.
I have seen tests that folks have done towing with a lightning and immediately loose 75% or more of their range. That makes the ford lightning a truck shaped car, nothing more.
Other people have different uses or desires for the lightning, but for me, it will probably never be a viable option.
And the issues he just presented in this video probably knock any ford ev out for me as well.
@@opiegonebad58 And also...they say electric vehicles are green, right? How do they charge?...Electricity. What runs the electricity plants?...Coal/oil....hmmmmm. Yeah, that's not "green". If anybody figures out a way to recycle batteries cheaply...they'll be a millionaire. I agree 100% with everything you said. And besides, who doesn't love the sound of a V8?
I'm not a Ford man . But you just made up my mind no total EV for me. I have a hybrid now. Thxs for sharing and sparing me the headache.
It's probably best for now. If you subscribe I'll keep you updated on any progress. Thanks for commenting.
Check your Owners Manual on using extension cords, you are likely only to connect directly, no extension cord!🤔
Have you used that extension cord yet???? If not, I would recommend you don't! It could cause a fire, I believe? You may have to ONLY connect your mobile charger directly, no extension cord!!!!
I did that for my FIAT 500e and the extension cord pretty much melted after several uses and did damage the portable charger connector.
I like some of the features of the Lightning but it's not ready for prime time yet, and most people are not will to put up with all of the negatives you mentioned. Great job with the video, you are much more forging than I would be with Ford's shortcomings.
That extension cord doesn't look like it's the correct gauge - fire hazard. It's hard to tell, but it looks like a standard extension cord. You need an industrial gauge extension cord made for outdoor contractors rated at 25A or 30A. I'd also get two cords - one for 240V and one for 120V.
Edit: I guess he realized that later in the video.
I had a 110 extension cord with it. Would need a bigger one for the 220. I just did another video on charging. I think you would be interested. subscribe to my channel and enjoy.
Most houses are wired with 15A circuits on their 110V. It cheaper that way.
Similar happened with me with sunrun. When I called sunrun about my pro charger. They looked up my vin number and they said that my vehicle was still in production. I said no, the truck is not in production, it's in my garage. I had to contact my dealer about what Ford was apparently telling sunrun. And like you, I finally got Mt charger about a month later after many phone calls.
So Frustrating. Can't reason with them either.
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They must just be incapable of producing enough chargers. So you get BS excuses.
Just be sure and get the pro charger at dealership before you put the money down for the vehicle, if they cannot provide it, go somewhere else.
Thanks for the details regarding the various EV charging components. I find it more convenient to have these items (pump. hose, nozzle and trigger) already preinstalled at the gas station. The gas station provides these as part of their infrastructure where one size fits all.
At the present time I would consider a hybrid vehicle but not an EV. Here in Canada the charging infrastructure is non-existent and lithium ion batteries have challenges in cold weather. It would be surprising if a battery breakthrough doesn't happen within the next few years. Once it does, vehicles that rely on current battery technology will be worth very little. I really like what China is doing. For example, a Neo can do a battery swap in a matter of minutes, which is really nice. Thank you for the video.
Agreed I’m from Canada as well and got a PHEV, it seemed more practical and reliable than a pure EV at this time. Chile has decided to nationalize its lithium industry to it will be interesting to see how that effects the EV market.
Unfortunately, China has a problem with electric vehicle battery fires, which are impossible to put out.
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have also experienced similar anxiety...long road trip, planned/calculated stop...arrive and upon witnessing the situation, the anxiety starts...busy holiday weekend, super cold outside...only took a couple minutes to top off my gas powered V8 truck, but the beer cave inside had been cleaned outta Bud Light.