Thanks for letting me use your footage! It was an epic adventure! I'm amazed that you partied so hard in Vegas and STILL made it out! Also, having you as our guide was so nice! Thanks Big Time!
I don't even have a Subaru, I got a Toyota 4x4 but man this is one of the best filmed videos of Imogene I've ever seen. Such a great group of people and vehicles. Very positive environment and the video quality is top notch. Best I've seen.
Yeah! It would have been SO cool if Donald could have joined us! His style is my favorite. Bruceyyyyy got to meet him at an expo a couple days later, I’m still jealous! Cheers!
Your sway bar delete video got me here and I am so glad I saw this. Thanks for making this fun edit and inspiring us SK owners! Just curious, have you ever done Yankee Boy Basin all the way to the top in your SK?
So sorry we missed you guys. Mineral Creek Trail took a while to get through - and then we all kept hitting dead zones and getting messages to/from your group hours later. Apparently, we pretty much passed right by each other near Ouray. Ah well, next time.
@@MatthewHeiskell mine too. Bruceyy and I had been trying to catch each other at events for around five years. And Imogene was top of my list. Wonderfully, we finally managed a four day trip to Silver Lake Sand Dunes and SRD and had a lot of fun.
Oh warmed my heart to see you all together with Jon!!!! Awesome views. Phenomenal! Thank you for sharing😊 Wish I could've been able to join. Maybe one day in my lifetime. LOL ( '22 Forester Wilderness) but again maybe not as I have no modifications whatsoever. I'd be having to hike down pieces of her. 😂
Glad that you enjoyed it too! 😄 Actually, if you added a couple skidplates and disconnected or removed your swaybars, then you would have outperformed all of us! Your Forester Wilderness has 26% lower gearing than my white Forester! Way better!
Nice! As crazy college freshmen, we took a stock Civic up to the top of Imogene, any mud would have shut us down, but we made it, much to the surprise of the lift-kit jeep folks at the summit
Absolutely epic video! Looks like the SK dominated the other cars! Did I read correctly that you have ordered a Forester Wilderness? Which color did you go for and what are you plans for it?
Thanks Steve! 😄 Yeah, the SK is pretty dang good! Yes, I just preferred a white FW because the crawl ratio is 26% better. I think getting to the top of Imogene demonstrates that the normal SK is easily good enough, but I want to push the envelope of what a Subaru can do. My plans are pretty normal. Same suspension, another aluminum bumper, etc.
@@MatthewHeiskell can't wait to see it! When does it arrive? Are you keeping your current car to or is it being sold? It would be awesome to see a comparison video between your car now and a stock Forester Wilderness on some tracks and obstacles before you start modding! Black bumper and black wheels on the stormtrooper FW or going silver?
It should be here in November. I do plan on making some comparison videos. My current forester should be better in every way except crawl ratio. A stormtrooper build would be awesome, but I’m selling the current forester after swapping the wheels, tires, and suspension. This time when I build the new aluminum bumper, I’m going to raise/tilt the radiator and make a new lower radiator support to reallly improve the approach angle. So same silver wheels, and a new silver bumper, really bare aluminum. Maybe I could paint the wheels and new bumper white?
@@MatthewHeiskell Sounds like an awesome project, looking forward to seeing all the videos of it in action! Hmm personal choice I guess! But for me the Wilderness looks so tough and "off-road" because of the black panels/bumpers/wheels. I think white wheels/front bumper won't match the rest of the car very well. The drone shots in this video were mind-blowing, the ONLY thing I didn't like about it was that we didn't really see to much of your car in action!
That's exactly what I've been thinking too! It turns out that they did! The Forester Wilderness has lower diff gears AND a lower first gear! The combined effect is a crawl ratio that is 26% lower. I'm going to make a video about this topic. I also placed an order for one a couple days ago. It should be here in November. I can't wait to do the testing!
Love my '23 Forester Wilderness. Got primitive racing skid plates and 2 inch suspension lift installed. Still trying to work out bumpers, sliders, and winch in my head. It's a great Lil mountain goat!
Sounds like you've got a killer machine! You're right about the OW likely limiting power to protect the CVT. The OW makes a psyco amount of torque at like 2,000 RPM. The FW has a better first gear ratio than the OW. I actually just placed an order for a 2024 FW because I did the research and basic math and it has a 26% better crawl ratio than my 2019 Forester! I'm going to make a video about this topic soon. Crawl ratio is the first gear multiplied by the axle final drive ratio, higher numerically is better. The Crosstrek Wilderness has the same drivetrain as the Forester Wilderness, I would have ordered one of those, but I can't comfortably sleep inside it, haha.
From what I've seen - the previous gen Outbacks are the most disappointing off-road (think TFL) and that was clearly the case here to, probably not the best choice out of the Subaru range.
Matt H. - that was impressive and inspiring! Your Forester SK doesn’t have a locker? Any mods to help you get up those hills, other than a cold air intake and a tranny cooler? FYI, your videos, as well as John DZ’s and Bruceyyy’s have helped me immensely in my own research/study. I’m hoping to eventually take my ‘23 Forester Sport to places unknown thanks to you guys.
Thanks! 😄 yeah, no locker for me. X-mode does really well. The only advantage to having a locker that I can see is for high speed use, like rally racing. My tires are 1.9” taller than stock, that was hurting me on the climbs, but the wheels are tires are light weight. I have an intake, but Subarus are famous for requiring a professional dyno and re-tune to benefit from performance mods. The transmission cooler is a MUST. I played around with a few configurations and I found the best one. I’ll make a video about it soon. The main thing is keeping everything light. Don’t bring everything, just take what you need. Cheers! 😄
@@MatthewHeiskell good stuff! I’m impressed that your Fozzy was able to handle pretty much everything Imogene Pass threw at it with no real engine mods. And, being at altitude too. Yep, keeping things light seems like a no-brainer (I’ve seen your video with the lighter rims and tires). I believe you’re running 245/65/r17… I’m running tires that are about 1/2” less diameter (235/65/r17). I didn’t feel like doing any cutting, haha. Also, your video review of the Nitto Nomad Grapplers definitely helped me decide to purchase them. I actually had a ‘22 Forester Wilderness that I sold a couple of months ago (it’s a long story, haha). Anyway, next week, I’ll be installing an Iron Man 2” ats lift (non Spec-C) and skid plates on my ‘23 Sport. It should be a good start. I’m looking forward to checking out your tranny cooler video. Thanks again for sharing your real-world knowledge and experience with the rest of us!
I'm glad to hear that you got the Nomad Grapplers! I love mine! Your slightly smaller tires will help your overall gearing on those high altitude, steep climbs. Good choice on the suspension! The medium springs are more comfortable and they articulate better. Delete both swaybars while you're doing the suspension. None of the 4 Subarus in this video have swaybars. You get more comfort, traction, and articulation without them. Also, don't bother installing the rear subframe spacers that came with your Ironman kit. I went back and removed mine about a year ago. It is annoying to install them, and you don't need them. Omitting them will keep your diff 2" higher, one of the key advantages of fully independent suspension. Omitting them will also keep your track width the same front-to-rear. Finally, omitting them will improve the rear camber. From the factory, there is quite a bit of negative camber in the back. This is normally not adjustable, BUT doing the suspension lift without a rear subframe drop will cause the multi-link rear to straighten the tires up nicely, improving traction and tire life.
@@MatthewHeiskell yeah, I was running Falken Wildpeak AT trails on my wilderness…they were a great all-around tire, but in certain muddy conditions, they did not perform all that well. Either way, I decided to give the Nomad Grapplers a shot. I’m hesitant to do a full swaybar delete; most of my driving is street/highway. Maybe I’ll play around with removing it under certain off-road conditions. I’m probably 75/25 street vs. off road at the moment. Now you’ve got me thinking about possibly not installing the rear subframe spacers. Full disclosure: I’m having a reputable shop install everything for me. I know the rear subframe kit includes centering so that if I ever decided to go with a bigger tire, the wheels should stay centered, correct? Also, I’m worried that if I don’t install the rear subframe spacers, I might put the driveline at a weird angle and I may get a shudder/wobble (?). I’m being a bit proactive too in that during the lift install, I will have a carrier bearing spacer installed as well - just in case there’s a little wobble. Did you experience any driveline wobble or vibration after you removed your sub frame spacers? Thank you so much for all of your help and detailed responses so far!
@@MatthewHeiskellhey great video. What do you think about the new Subaru wilderness modeles. They come stock with a transmission cooler. I’m considering Subaru but am just learning about the brand.
Last weekend I took our 2023 Subaru Ascent up a 17 degree (about 30% grade) incline over loose rock and moguls and it had no trouble going up. For your attempts at around 2:00 in the video above, do they not have enough power? I'm curious if you tried turning off any traction control (via VDC) or tried forcing them into 1st (assuming they have CVT's). I noticed when I turned off VDC in our Ascent it had no problems going up. Almost like VDC is preventing power from reaching the wheels.
Bruceyyyyy is very experienced, I’m sure he tried everything. Do you really mean VDC? Traction control is a button, but disabling VDC usually requires pulling the brake fuse. Bruceyyyyy actually made a great video about this.
@@MatthewHeiskell My bad, I didn't mean to insinuate anything. In the Ascent VDC turns off everything, I don't think I can turn off just traction control.
It looks like a couple of those are fairly stock, and a couple are lifted and have a lot of armor. Everybody did great and it looked fun. I was wondering how my unlifted Wilderness would do up there. I've got 29 1/2" tires, so my clearance is a bit over 10 inches unlifted. I think power wise I would be ok, since the turbo should help in the altitude, but I always worry about how much 10" really is. Of course our pumkins on independant suspension are well tucked in so our clearance goes further in a way, if we pick our lines well. And I was encouraged by some of the more stock looking clearances just crawling up like a billy goat. I think even that one that only tried twice on that first obstacle could have made it up that if he approached it slowly and then nailed it right before his lip hit the rock. The acceleration lifts up your front end, and if you only need an inch or so for a foot or so, that gets you past those, WITH momentum, which would have carried you straight up that. But I am the same way, when I start banging on things, I usually err towards caution as well. Things look and sound different in the drivers seat, and he likely didn't realize how close he was to being able to completely clear all knocks with the right throttle control and timing. I think all the Sub's had a great showing. I wish I lived closer, that is a beautiful area. I live in Southern California. We have lots of nice trails too, but Colorado is amazing.
Thanks! All the Subarus were lifted actually, haha. My white forester is lifted the least, only 1.5”, but I have the same size tires as you. You mentioned a turbo, so you must have an outback wilderness. If you disconnect or delete your swaybars, have skidplates, and pick the right line, then you’d out perform all of us! None of the Subarus in this video have sway bars, haha. You’ve got a killer machine, do those things and get out there and get into it! Cheers! 😄
The bigger problem with the obstacle you mention is the Subaru is programmed to cut engine power to protect the CVT. Even if they had turbos, the engine would likely have not been able to produce enough power because of that. In your Wilderness you would have an advantage that these didn't... gearing. Wilderness models have lower axle and lower CVT gearing.
@@ThinkFreely2012partially true but although the wilderness model may have a more aggressive final drive ratio it also has a much less aggressive first gear. When we do the math, the wilderness has less low end power. (It does have a much more powerful engine than the base model of course, but gearing wise, it's less agressive.)
@mandingo9471 every bit of literature I've found on the Wilderness from Subaru states that the wilderness has a different model CVT with different ratios than the other trims. I'll admit I can't recall 100% if this is true for the Outback, but it is for the Forester.
Good question! I don’t think a manual transmission would help, you’d have to slip the clutch A LOT. The torque converter in an automatic transmission, CVT included, let’s the engine rev up to 2,000 RPM even at very slow speeds. This is assuming that the auto and manual transmissions have the same gearing. If the manual has a lower first gear, it will be a close competition.
This comment had my wife and I periodically laughing for a few days! We used to live in Ohio, nothing to do there except fly RC. Now we live in New Mexico, lots of adventures to be had out here. Sorry to disappoint you.
@@MatthewHeiskell Bruh... You are just gonna drop the bombshell of a damn almost 11hr AUTONOMOUS rc flight.... and just dip out.... Thats legit nerd-blue-balls bruh not cool! D'=
Thanks! We were expecting the green Outback with the 3.6L engine to outperform the other three that have 2.5L engines, but it seems that Crawl Ratio is pretty dang important!
First!!! It was an honor Matty!! Such a great time, and seeing what your non-locker subaru tackle this trail with no issues was amazing!!
Thanks for letting me use your footage! It was an epic adventure! I'm amazed that you partied so hard in Vegas and STILL made it out! Also, having you as our guide was so nice! Thanks Big Time!
I don't even have a Subaru, I got a Toyota 4x4 but man this is one of the best filmed videos of Imogene I've ever seen. Such a great group of people and vehicles. Very positive environment and the video quality is top notch. Best I've seen.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😄 Many thanks!
So glad we finally got to meet up and have such an awesome adventure!
Thanks for the invite! I wouldn't have gotten to be a part of this awesome adventure if it wasn't for you!
Some of my favorite channels all together, this is pretty awesome!
Thanks! It was fun meeting them in-person. The Subaru community is so good!
That was fun! Haven’t been entertained as much by an all-wheel drive vid in a while. Matt h., Brucey, JohnDz -don’t get any better than that!
Many thanks! 😄 I couldn't pass on the opportunity to meet those guys!
Awesome watching the fun y'all had. Beautiful scenery
Awesome montage, Matt! Kudos to everyone making it up! Well done!
Thanks Joe! 😄 Subarus sure are awesome!
This is an All-Star mashup of all my favorite overlanding channels! The only one missing is Softroading the West... Awesome drone footage btw!
Yeah! It would have been SO cool if Donald could have joined us! His style is my favorite. Bruceyyyyy got to meet him at an expo a couple days later, I’m still jealous! Cheers!
Your sway bar delete video got me here and I am so glad I saw this. Thanks for making this fun edit and inspiring us SK owners! Just curious, have you ever done Yankee Boy Basin all the way to the top in your SK?
Great video man! Some sweet footage
Thanks! 😄 I really appreciate hearing that!
The views!! Awesome collection of Subies + Honda!
Japanese AWDs haha
So sorry we missed you guys. Mineral Creek Trail took a while to get through - and then we all kept hitting dead zones and getting messages to/from your group hours later. Apparently, we pretty much passed right by each other near Ouray. Ah well, next time.
Next time for sure! But you should message Bruceyyyyy, it broke his heart.
@@MatthewHeiskell mine too. Bruceyy and I had been trying to catch each other at events for around five years. And Imogene was top of my list.
Wonderfully, we finally managed a four day trip to Silver Lake Sand Dunes and SRD and had a lot of fun.
Oh warmed my heart to see you all together with Jon!!!! Awesome views. Phenomenal! Thank you for sharing😊 Wish I could've been able to join. Maybe one day in my lifetime. LOL ( '22 Forester Wilderness) but again maybe not as I have no modifications whatsoever. I'd be having to hike down pieces of her. 😂
Glad that you enjoyed it too! 😄 Actually, if you added a couple skidplates and disconnected or removed your swaybars, then you would have outperformed all of us! Your Forester Wilderness has 26% lower gearing than my white Forester! Way better!
@@MatthewHeiskell oh I loved it. 🙌🏼
@@MatthewHeiskell I was cheering you on with that big one you pulled. LMAO My dogs thought I done fell of a rocker
Oh and the drone work is sick!
Thanks so much! I think it helps show the terrain better.
Wow, pretty jealous of that trip... The biggest thing I have to cross is a sand dune lol
Thanks! 😄 Sand dunes are fun though! My favorite thing is that the clean up is quick and easy, no mud, haha.
Nice! As crazy college freshmen, we took a stock Civic up to the top of Imogene, any mud would have shut us down, but we made it, much to the surprise of the lift-kit jeep folks at the summit
Wow! That’s awesome!!
Absolutely epic video! Looks like the SK dominated the other cars! Did I read correctly that you have ordered a Forester Wilderness? Which color did you go for and what are you plans for it?
Thanks Steve! 😄 Yeah, the SK is pretty dang good! Yes, I just preferred a white FW because the crawl ratio is 26% better. I think getting to the top of Imogene demonstrates that the normal SK is easily good enough, but I want to push the envelope of what a Subaru can do. My plans are pretty normal. Same suspension, another aluminum bumper, etc.
@@MatthewHeiskell can't wait to see it! When does it arrive? Are you keeping your current car to or is it being sold? It would be awesome to see a comparison video between your car now and a stock Forester Wilderness on some tracks and obstacles before you start modding! Black bumper and black wheels on the stormtrooper FW or going silver?
It should be here in November. I do plan on making some comparison videos. My current forester should be better in every way except crawl ratio. A stormtrooper build would be awesome, but I’m selling the current forester after swapping the wheels, tires, and suspension. This time when I build the new aluminum bumper, I’m going to raise/tilt the radiator and make a new lower radiator support to reallly improve the approach angle. So same silver wheels, and a new silver bumper, really bare aluminum. Maybe I could paint the wheels and new bumper white?
@@MatthewHeiskell Sounds like an awesome project, looking forward to seeing all the videos of it in action! Hmm personal choice I guess! But for me the Wilderness looks so tough and "off-road" because of the black panels/bumpers/wheels. I think white wheels/front bumper won't match the rest of the car very well. The drone shots in this video were mind-blowing, the ONLY thing I didn't like about it was that we didn't really see to much of your car in action!
Love these videos, but for the love would Subaru just give us some decent gearing?
That's exactly what I've been thinking too! It turns out that they did! The Forester Wilderness has lower diff gears AND a lower first gear! The combined effect is a crawl ratio that is 26% lower. I'm going to make a video about this topic. I also placed an order for one a couple days ago. It should be here in November. I can't wait to do the testing!
Love my '23 Forester Wilderness. Got primitive racing skid plates and 2 inch suspension lift installed. Still trying to work out bumpers, sliders, and winch in my head. It's a great Lil mountain goat!
Sounds like you've got a killer machine! You're right about the OW likely limiting power to protect the CVT. The OW makes a psyco amount of torque at like 2,000 RPM. The FW has a better first gear ratio than the OW. I actually just placed an order for a 2024 FW because I did the research and basic math and it has a 26% better crawl ratio than my 2019 Forester! I'm going to make a video about this topic soon. Crawl ratio is the first gear multiplied by the axle final drive ratio, higher numerically is better. The Crosstrek Wilderness has the same drivetrain as the Forester Wilderness, I would have ordered one of those, but I can't comfortably sleep inside it, haha.
@MatthewHeiskell and I sensing Forester tug of war video in the future? 🤣 2 cars enter, 1 car leaves! 😂
From what I've seen - the previous gen Outbacks are the most disappointing off-road (think TFL) and that was clearly the case here to, probably not the best choice out of the Subaru range.
Yeah, I hate to say that, but yeah, the Outbacks are not having a good showing.
Matt H. - that was impressive and inspiring! Your Forester SK doesn’t have a locker? Any mods to help you get up those hills, other than a cold air intake and a tranny cooler?
FYI, your videos, as well as John DZ’s and Bruceyyy’s have helped me immensely in my own research/study. I’m hoping to eventually take my ‘23 Forester Sport to places unknown thanks to you guys.
Thanks! 😄 yeah, no locker for me. X-mode does really well. The only advantage to having a locker that I can see is for high speed use, like rally racing. My tires are 1.9” taller than stock, that was hurting me on the climbs, but the wheels are tires are light weight. I have an intake, but Subarus are famous for requiring a professional dyno and re-tune to benefit from performance mods. The transmission cooler is a MUST. I played around with a few configurations and I found the best one. I’ll make a video about it soon. The main thing is keeping everything light. Don’t bring everything, just take what you need. Cheers! 😄
@@MatthewHeiskell good stuff! I’m impressed that your Fozzy was able to handle pretty much everything Imogene Pass threw at it with no real engine mods. And, being at altitude too. Yep, keeping things light seems like a no-brainer (I’ve seen your video with the lighter rims and tires). I believe you’re running 245/65/r17… I’m running tires that are about 1/2” less diameter (235/65/r17). I didn’t feel like doing any cutting, haha. Also, your video review of the Nitto Nomad Grapplers definitely helped me decide to purchase them.
I actually had a ‘22 Forester Wilderness that I sold a couple of months ago (it’s a long story, haha). Anyway, next week, I’ll be installing an Iron Man 2” ats lift (non Spec-C) and skid plates on my ‘23 Sport. It should be a good start.
I’m looking forward to checking out your tranny cooler video. Thanks again for sharing your real-world knowledge and experience with the rest of us!
I'm glad to hear that you got the Nomad Grapplers! I love mine! Your slightly smaller tires will help your overall gearing on those high altitude, steep climbs. Good choice on the suspension! The medium springs are more comfortable and they articulate better. Delete both swaybars while you're doing the suspension. None of the 4 Subarus in this video have swaybars. You get more comfort, traction, and articulation without them. Also, don't bother installing the rear subframe spacers that came with your Ironman kit. I went back and removed mine about a year ago. It is annoying to install them, and you don't need them. Omitting them will keep your diff 2" higher, one of the key advantages of fully independent suspension. Omitting them will also keep your track width the same front-to-rear. Finally, omitting them will improve the rear camber. From the factory, there is quite a bit of negative camber in the back. This is normally not adjustable, BUT doing the suspension lift without a rear subframe drop will cause the multi-link rear to straighten the tires up nicely, improving traction and tire life.
@@MatthewHeiskell yeah, I was running Falken Wildpeak AT trails on my wilderness…they were a great all-around tire, but in certain muddy conditions, they did not perform all that well. Either way, I decided to give the Nomad Grapplers a shot.
I’m hesitant to do a full swaybar delete; most of my driving is street/highway. Maybe I’ll play around with removing it under certain off-road conditions. I’m probably 75/25 street vs. off road at the moment.
Now you’ve got me thinking about possibly not installing the rear subframe spacers. Full disclosure: I’m having a reputable shop install everything for me. I know the rear subframe kit includes centering so that if I ever decided to go with a bigger tire, the wheels should stay centered, correct? Also, I’m worried that if I don’t install the rear subframe spacers, I might put the driveline at a weird angle and I may get a shudder/wobble (?). I’m being a bit proactive too in that during the lift install, I will have a carrier bearing spacer installed as well - just in case there’s a little wobble. Did you experience any driveline wobble or vibration after you removed your sub frame spacers?
Thank you so much for all of your help and detailed responses so far!
@@MatthewHeiskellhey great video. What do you think about the new Subaru wilderness modeles. They come stock with a transmission cooler. I’m considering Subaru but am just learning about the brand.
Did bruceyyyy have spacers and the Ironman suspension? Or just the Ironman?
I asked him, he said just Ironman suspension.
Last weekend I took our 2023 Subaru Ascent up a 17 degree (about 30% grade) incline over loose rock and moguls and it had no trouble going up.
For your attempts at around 2:00 in the video above, do they not have enough power? I'm curious if you tried turning off any traction control (via VDC) or tried forcing them into 1st (assuming they have CVT's). I noticed when I turned off VDC in our Ascent it had no problems going up. Almost like VDC is preventing power from reaching the wheels.
Bruceyyyyy is very experienced, I’m sure he tried everything. Do you really mean VDC? Traction control is a button, but disabling VDC usually requires pulling the brake fuse. Bruceyyyyy actually made a great video about this.
@@MatthewHeiskell My bad, I didn't mean to insinuate anything. In the Ascent VDC turns off everything, I don't think I can turn off just traction control.
It looks like a couple of those are fairly stock, and a couple are lifted and have a lot of armor. Everybody did great and it looked fun. I was wondering how my unlifted Wilderness would do up there. I've got 29 1/2" tires, so my clearance is a bit over 10 inches unlifted. I think power wise I would be ok, since the turbo should help in the altitude, but I always worry about how much 10" really is. Of course our pumkins on independant suspension are well tucked in so our clearance goes further in a way, if we pick our lines well. And I was encouraged by some of the more stock looking clearances just crawling up like a billy goat. I think even that one that only tried twice on that first obstacle could have made it up that if he approached it slowly and then nailed it right before his lip hit the rock. The acceleration lifts up your front end, and if you only need an inch or so for a foot or so, that gets you past those, WITH momentum, which would have carried you straight up that. But I am the same way, when I start banging on things, I usually err towards caution as well. Things look and sound different in the drivers seat, and he likely didn't realize how close he was to being able to completely clear all knocks with the right throttle control and timing. I think all the Sub's had a great showing. I wish I lived closer, that is a beautiful area. I live in Southern California. We have lots of nice trails too, but Colorado is amazing.
Thanks! All the Subarus were lifted actually, haha. My white forester is lifted the least, only 1.5”, but I have the same size tires as you. You mentioned a turbo, so you must have an outback wilderness. If you disconnect or delete your swaybars, have skidplates, and pick the right line, then you’d out perform all of us! None of the Subarus in this video have sway bars, haha. You’ve got a killer machine, do those things and get out there and get into it! Cheers! 😄
The bigger problem with the obstacle you mention is the Subaru is programmed to cut engine power to protect the CVT. Even if they had turbos, the engine would likely have not been able to produce enough power because of that. In your Wilderness you would have an advantage that these didn't... gearing. Wilderness models have lower axle and lower CVT gearing.
@@ThinkFreely2012partially true but although the wilderness model may have a more aggressive final drive ratio it also has a much less aggressive first gear. When we do the math, the wilderness has less low end power. (It does have a much more powerful engine than the base model of course, but gearing wise, it's less agressive.)
@mandingo9471 every bit of literature I've found on the Wilderness from Subaru states that the wilderness has a different model CVT with different ratios than the other trims.
I'll admit I can't recall 100% if this is true for the Outback, but it is for the Forester.
@@ThinkFreely2012Yes, the forester wilderness has the best crawl ratio of any current gen subaru.
would manuals be better here?
Good question! I don’t think a manual transmission would help, you’d have to slip the clutch A LOT. The torque converter in an automatic transmission, CVT included, let’s the engine rev up to 2,000 RPM even at very slow speeds. This is assuming that the auto and manual transmissions have the same gearing. If the manual has a lower first gear, it will be a close competition.
WHY U NO DO LONG FLYY NO MOOOO!!!
This comment had my wife and I periodically laughing for a few days! We used to live in Ohio, nothing to do there except fly RC. Now we live in New Mexico, lots of adventures to be had out here. Sorry to disappoint you.
@@MatthewHeiskell Bruh... You are just gonna drop the bombshell of a damn almost 11hr AUTONOMOUS rc flight.... and just dip out.... Thats legit nerd-blue-balls bruh not cool! D'=
The dude in the white Ru made it look easy.
😊🏞🇺🇸
Thanks! We were expecting the green Outback with the 3.6L engine to outperform the other three that have 2.5L engines, but it seems that Crawl Ratio is pretty dang important!