My Subaru is a 2015 Forester, and I love it. It is my only vehicle. I drive it around town, in big cities, and I feel perfectly comfortable driving it to my campsites in National Forests. I hope it doesn’t make it seem less “badass” that I am a 74 year old woman.
I had a young fella in a car park point to my car (lifted ob on at's with roof basket and awning etc)and say "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a 4wd" I looked at his lowered family sedan on expensive rims and tyres with an exhaust and replied "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a sports car" You could see his brain trying to process it for a minute before he grunted and unlocked his car. Not sure if he got my point or not. Point is, we all pick our cars for whatever reason. I modified my outback coz we already owned it and it still works great. Drive what you like, let others do the same.
Part of the fun is doing something different and making a vehicle do exactly what you want it to do. I had a lowered Jeep, now that gets some weird looks. Of course there is a point where you are essentially redoing so much of a vehicle that you would definitely be money ahead to buy something closer to what you want from the factory.
@@piotrbarnowski2443 hey mate, nah it's AWD. Technically all 4 wheels are being driven all the time, but the way power and torque are delivered are different than that of a 4wd system. Basically awd is for traction, stability and safety, 4wd is for offroading. If you need a technical explanation, there are some good videos on yt about it.
You're missing out on all the maintenance costs of owning a Jeep, so you clearly wouldn't understand real overlanding.. No death wobble? No 8mpg? What are you, some kind of supremacist?? Keep at it man. I'm pounding dirt as soon as I pick up a Baja. I'll enjoy the outdoors and a nice quiet ride thank you very much :) Love the videos!
I do all of this in my crosstrek as well. If I wanted to do serious rock crawling or deep mud I might consider a jeep but for what I like to do my crosstrek works just fine.
I drive a stock '15 crosstrek, my fil drives a stock '97 landcruiser. We took my car out on a fishing trip through some pretty gnarly terrains, he was pretty impressed by what my little car can do. The flat and higher undercarriage was also very beneficial.
Yeah they can handle quite a bit I had to climb a 4ft embankment in mine due to the trail being washed out and she did great. I have an '18 crosstrek with a 2"lift and bfg k02s.
No stock jeep will do serious mud or rocks without modifications. The jeep guys say jeep stands for just empty every pocket (of cash) because once you start modding and offroading things are going to break a lot. There is also a reason that most of the PNW guys run toyota rigs - reliability and excellent 4wd. You just don't want to be in back country driving anything that is going to break and leave you stranded until someone finds you.
@@danielboughton3624 I've run a gmc offroad rig and now my crosstrek and outside of rock crawling I prefer my crosstrek for reliability, last outing I did near hoodoo I had to rescue 2 jeeps and a raptor from snow banks
As the owner of several four wheel drive vehicles including two jeeps I throughly enjoy watching your videos. Everything has its purpose. I'm not exactly sure why some people think it's their duty to tell everyone what to do. You are living the dream man, keep doing what you love.
What still makes subaru the most amazing off road on road vehicle is what you don't have to do to it. Compare the cost to outfit a jeep with suspension, bla bla bla. A forester only needs 2 inches and tires to go play vrs thousands of dollars to go get stuck. Lpl
I have nothing against Jeeps, not in the least. On the contrary, give me the keys to a Jeep and a year's supply of gasoline and that Subaru's gonna sit and do nothing for a year, LOL. I own a Subaru but I follow a number of Jeep and other 4x4 channels. :-) My only issue is with people casting judgment on what anyone else chooses to drive. It just somehow seems to revolve around Jeep in my comments sections, heh. Thanks for watching!
Lol same here... I have a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon unlimited and I LOVED this vid! Dude legit Subaru footage... I have zero issue with anything that's gets you to the fun! A lot of Jeep people are douche bags anyway!
The biggest reason I follow this channel is because of the Subaru. I think it's pretty cool to do what you do with it. If it works for what you want it to do why get something different?
When I am on the trails and see a “non-traditional” vehicle I’m always impressed....And excited! We even seem to talk about the sighting as a trip highlight after the fact! “Remember that Subaru we saw that time out in the middle of nowhere?! Yeah!, that was awesome!” I’ll see you out there bro!
Yeah I hear you but they're out there getting damaged when they do that over and over LOL I look at it this way if they really want to go off-roading without the risk of scraping and messing things up why not just have a real 4 x 4? I mean there's never been a time where you're thinking darn I wish I wasn't in this Jeep because the Subaru would have been better at this or that LOL I mean unless you're on the street but in that case then an economy car or luxury car would be even better. The point is if we were all born yesterday and we saw 4 x 4 vehicles and then we saw a Subaru like a bunch of innocent children we would say what's wrong with that one why is it so low and have such little weak components underneath? We probably wouldn't gravitate toward it because there wouldn't be a fanboy affection for them and we would just see it for what it is something less capable and low to the ground. Now I agree with you seeing something out when your Wheeling is cool but I like to do that in a different way. I drive a 2000 Land Rover Discovery 2, front and rear solid axles traction control 2 inch lift on 33s and you never see that in America hardly. Yeah all over the UK there like Jeep Cherokees around here. But seriously if I'm just being honest and not even trying to sound like a bully I just don't get why someone would take something less capable and more likely to get damaged down rough dirt roads that slowly turn into random high-clearance trails and try to do it or have to turn around when they could have just drove something there that can haul more cargo and do more
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I get what you are saying, but at the same time why bring more vehicle to a trail than you need? Its much more gratifying to push a vehicle to the limit making it down the trail then just walking over all the obstacles in a big, lifted truck on 35s. I own a softroader myself (92 toyota carib) and even in its stock form on some bigger mud tires I can make it down 90% of the trails where I live. And lets be honest, to get to these offroading spots in the first place you normally need to drive on pavement for several hours, often on some quite nice twisty roads. Thats much more fun in a car based softroader than any 'real' 4x4. And when you get there, you can still make it to the end of the trail (if with some difficulty!) and the trail itself is more enjoyable because of the challenge. Not to mention the conversation starter it is when a bewildered 4wheeler spots you out in the middle of the whoop whoops in your Frankenstein 4x4 car With regards to damaging your vehicle, its nothing a lift, a set of skidplates and some common sense cant deal with. No more risky then pushing a proper 4x4 on a tougher track, and the parts are way cheaper if you do break something
Oh and I should add that softroaders are as good if not better than real 4x4s on the beach. With a low cog and only 1100 kg to drag along, once youve aired down you skip over the sand no problem, and recovery when you do get stuck is far easier since you arent trying to push/dig/winch/tow a 2200kg disco, or whatever it is out
You: *Out in the wild, off-roading where most jeep owners never take their fluffed up mall crawlers* Habitual Armchair Wankers: *”YoU ShOuLd Bi a jYEp! OnLi jEps cAn Do ThAt!”*
Let me see... 2020 Subaru Forester MSRP approximately $24,500 up to $32,000 for a Limited 2020 Jeep Wrangler Sport 2 door MSRP approximately $28,300 up to $42,300 for a Rubicon Even with the addition of the lift, wheels and tires, and any additional skid plating, you're still likely coming out ahead. For the average person that extra money gets you a vehicle that isn't as comfortable and gets worse fuel mileage, among other things. So, you spend more initially, then spend more along the way to get a vehicle that doesn't suit your daily needs as well, and is overbuilt for what you actually do when exploring/overlanding. I've had three Jeeps and right now drive a Tundra (we've had several Subies in the family, and my next vehicle will likely be a Subaru). I think I can safely say that if you're off-roading warrants a Jeep, or if you just want one, buy one. We should be promoting and encouraging everyone who wants to get safely and appropriately into the backcountry, regardless of the vehicle they drive, so long as they understand its limitations. If you feel threatened by someone in a Subaru or other crossover, maybe it's your problem, not theirs.
Exactly! I don't bemoan anyone their Jeep if that's what they want to drive, heck, even if it never touches dirt. I don't go around criticizing mall-crawler 4x4s for staying on pavement. I'd just like the same courtesy when I choose to take my humble passenger car off pavement. :-) Thanks for watching!
@@softroadingthewest I enjoy watching enough to subscribe and look for you posts. The first Subaru we had was my wife's '90s Outback. She had a midlife crisis and now has a WRX as her third Subaru. My youngest daughter has a Forester, and my oldest just mentioned that she wants to go here in the next week or two and start looking at Subarus. It's only a matter of time for me. In the meanwhile, I live vicariously through you and bruceyyyyy
A Wrangler for 24.500$? A Rubicon for 42.300$? Here in the EU the standard Wrangler begins at 50k$ the Rubicon at 60k$ - that's why nearly no one is driving a Wrangler offroad here
@@UniqueStance Yep, they are way too overpriced here. And if you'll buy either one of it, you won't have food on your plate because gas prices are just insane.
The best vehicle for driving off road like this is the one that'll get you where you want to go. If you get there, and better yet, if you have fun getting there, then that's all that matters!
I’m thinking of doing some soft overlanding. I own a Subaru Outback. From looking at videos on RUclips what I have learned is 1. Know the capability of your vehicle (you clearly defined that through this video) 2. Overlanding is about the destination and the art of enjoying the outdoors as you do it. 3. The current crossover / SUV that you have is sufficient to get started. As if your requirements don’t exceed the capability of the vehicle, why do you need something else. I enjoy your videos thoroughly. We need more content on Subaru overlanding. Thanks for doing what you do!
Hell no we don’t need a “ true 4x4” for exploring the majority of the back country roads. Me and my ‘12 Forester do just fine. Have fun with your subie on the trail.
you Bet'Cha from N.E. MINNESOTA where the land runs out the World's Largest Lake begins ! 99 Legacy Brighton 116K orig miles. 2.2L 4spd auto. snowtires. nothing else needed.
Great video, thanks for posting, I am a big Jeep fan and have done some fairly serious off roading in my day, but you are 100% correct, for what you need to do and where you need to go your Subaru is perfectly suited, and the fact that those roads actually pose some challenge makes it all the more fun! Keep doing what you are doing!
I just bought my first “new” car and it’s a 2011 Subaru Forester. It’s my daily but its gonna be my adventure vehicle too. This channel is a big reason on why I bought it and is gonna be the inspiration for my build
Brilliant video. It's all about proper tires, properly deflated, sufficient ground clearance, the correct line, and most of all (in my opinion) proper throttle control.
I had a 1981 Subaru hatchback ... factory equipped with white wagon wheels, manually adjustable height suspension and a dual range 4x4 system wth a proper lever between the seats. Made skid plates and rear diff protector in my HS shop... gave all the Jeep and pickup crowd fits when the little bastard out climbed them on hills. Loved that thing..
We took our '23 Forester Wilderness 4 wheeling a couple days ago. Scraped the skid plates, got it covered in mud and sand, my wife pinstriped both sides. It was great fun, and all the jeepers and SxS drivers had their jaw hanging open lol. It's only got 6k miles on it!
You’ve accumulated knowledge through experience that not everyone has. Keep doing what you’re doing and share it for those of us that are starting late.
I"m honestly inspired by how you use a subie off-road, sometimes makes me ponder selling my jeep for a subie. I think its more suited to I offroad and explore. Thanks for this great episode!
Amazing video! I keep my eye on multiple overlanding channels, some with big badass Jeeps, some with incredible, dream like Tacomas and this one with an amazing forester that is not scared of anything and has more fun than lots of the big guys. And to be honest your channel is my favorite of them all. Thank you!
As a Jeep driver I honestly have so much respect for a forester, an amazing daily driver and 9 times outta 10 can still do the crap jeeps do... only limited by ground clearance, I’d strongly suggest taking the forester route before buying your first Jeep, don’t get me wrong I love my Jeep and wouldn’t trade it for anything but if it’s meant to be a daily as well Subaru all the way
To be fair, your respectful attitude is by far the most common I've encountered from Jeep owners. We all have more or less the same interests and goals and the majority of people can see that we're more alike than different. It's just the small vocal handful of naysayers. I thank them for setting me up to make this video. :-)
Keep your Subaru if it’s what you want then, who cares what anyone else has to say. I’ve seen Jeeps get stuck in places where Subaru’s just plow though. As sergeant slaughter pointed out Subaru’s have the best have the best all wheel drive system’s in the world. They are very reliable get more then decent gas mileage considering it’s all wheel drive , not to mention it’s your daily driver while Jeeps are great. I personally wouldn’t want one as a daily driver. Keep the video’s coming!,
well said my subaru looks really pretty and goes like stink = 7200 rpm sees my catch and pass many v8 and top class european cars audi is a favorite for me to challange - mercedes - porsche - fun to watch their faces as i blast past bmw renault vw some times i get beaten but it is always close ! forester gt turbo gold with gold mag`s . thank you.
I 'consider' my Subie a inexpensive Audi Quattro..... why spend $90K or MORE for a Quattro when you get the same wonderful traction with a $20+ Subie ??!! Love Subies!
Loved these clips. We got into Subarus in the early 1980s going to Fraser Island for the same reasons, cheaper to buy & run, more comfortable, a lot more capable then people think. We delighted in proving the skeptics wrong about where we could go in these little Subies. Still love my Subarus and where they take me 40 years later.
Wow, maybe I've watched too many videos from 4WD Action but even I would have hesitated to take my Subaru to Fraser Island. Of course those 80s Subarus were a different breed. Still, I'd loooove to put my Forester on a boat and come poke around down there! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. Your Subie tackles more off road than most jeeps ever do, and JonDZ has been diligent in making the practicality point in favor of the CUV for a while now as well. 🍻
Reach Victoria thanks! Crossovers just keep getting better and more capable and I think a lot of that has to do with the success of Subaru. Many people want offroad capable daily commuters! There’s no doubt in my mind, the AWD capability in my Honda Passport is there partly because of Subaru.
I live in Vancouver, BC so also out exploring the PNW and so far, the biggest obstacle that has stopped me have been the ditches on decommissioned FSRs when the culverts are removed. There simply isn't a lot of room to work with. I'm considering an outback (which compared to forester has longer wheelbase and probably worse approach/departure angles) but any thoughts on getting through "ditches" vs a more off-road oriented vehicle? I am definitely pavement driving 95% of the time, but also regularly explore forestry roads for camping or remote trail access, and ideally I don't want to be stopped in my tracks!
Oh man. I have my own version half filmed but might drop it because this illustrated the point just as well. Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road.
Exactly. And I think you should finish what you started. I would hate to think that something I did deprived the world of a bruceyyyyy video. We need you out here, man!
@@softroadingthewest I was getting frustrated because I wanted to try this new uhhh special effect? But it's really hard to pull off actually and takes a lot of patience.
bruceyyyyy I would say SUVs with a unibody structure are safer than those with a trucklike body-on-frame design. ... The body attaches to the frame and, while it does provide structural support, the body is not as significant to the structure as it is in a unibody vehicle. Beside Jeep Cherokee XJs and etc has unibody just like Subarus .
This is the best SUBARU Off-road compilation vid ever! And…drive what YOU want buddy! Bought a Crosstrek (In Germany "XV“) 4 Weeks ago with steel engine and diff protection 🤗 At my country Subies are totally underdogs and have a rather small community but I don‘t care and drive this one and my 2019Mustang GT! 😋
I have already been there with a jeep and I wont ever go back. I have a lifted 2019 crosstrek and I love getting double the fuel mileage my jeep did, rides way smoother, and is known for far better reliability.
Wow. Great editing. I'm blown away that after all you [don't hesitate to] put it through, the rockers and mufflers are no worse for wear. Well done sir.
As an avid Subaru guy that follows y.t. channels that have “off road” content -there’s almost always a Jeep or 4 runner person in the comment section. With their arms folded, sternly looking down: “you SHOULD NOT being going off-road with that vehicle!” I get there is a line or grey area of off-road difficulty...when a crossover starts going to far into the world off a true off-roader.. As a Subaru driver, you just have to know your limits..
I think it's all about compromise. I recently bought an Outback. I'm not going to go rock climbing in it. It's not built for that. Going off into the woods on old forest roads that my old Civic might not have been able to do is a nice advantage. Actually - That's probably the key bit for me: Going off into the woods on ill-kept roads that I otherwise wouldn't be able to drive on is nice. I get to go exploring. For me, I'm really not interested in rock climbing, having a spotter, and all that. I just want a little more than a highway car but, at the same time, I want a nice highway car. That's where the Outback comes in. Just to make sure I don't ruffle any feathers: I completely get why some want to take their Jeeps/other vehicles out and do rock climbing with spotters. I enjoy those videos. If I were into it (and maybe one day I may be) then I'd go the Jeep or similar route, too.
Well said...it’s amazing what a Subaru can do when you add some A.T. Tires and a lift. It’s best of both worlds: really good off-road and...good handling/ gas mileage as an everyday driver!
@@cworegon3164 Basically, this is what it should sum up to. The vehicle is a tool to make your life comfortable when traveling, and a tool to actually get you to/through those travels in one piece. Drive whatever you want, so long as it accomplishes those two goals. If you're traveling to offroad, then you prioritize offroading. If you offroad sometimes because you want to travel, then you prioritize whatever makes that possible.
Liked before I even finished watching it! we all know these videos are always good :) flexing is overrated and 3wheel subaru drive is the future! lol I absolutely agree that you can still explore the backcountry without having to buy a jeep. 90% of the time you arn't rock crawling or doing extreme trails just to get the nicest view or to reach an area to be able to enjoy the outdoors. Most offroad scenic trails are light to moderately difficult. The subaru's stock come with enough ground clearance for most light duty trails. And if you meet something more challenging you can always give the subaru a bit of lift and some good all terrains and youll be doing 90% of the trails :) I also agree with Bruceyyyy "Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road." FAVORITE QUOTE OF ALL TIME!!!!!! "Yea if I had a jeep I could go drive all of that stuff you just saw with no problem, wouldn't even have to think twice about it. The part of what makes this especially enjoyable is the challenge of doing it in a vehicle that is not necessarily what it is designed to do"
Exactly! I was surprised by what I could get to during my first year with the car completely stock, and continue to be surprised where it will go now. I could totally see owning a 4x4 someday but for now this gets me out there in a way I can afford.
I drove a 2WD pickup as my daily for most of my life prior to the Forester and I do miss having a truck bed. That is probably what would eventually swing me over to driving a real 4x4, having the added utility of a pickup. Thanks for watching!
This might as well be an advertisement for Subaru haha. Love the footage! Just got my 2 inch lift ordered for my Crosstrek. Excited to get out on the trail!
Jeep.. more capable off road and for towing, less capable for everything else. The more I watch your channel the more I try to convince my wife to buy a Forester. haha Also, were trying to move out to Oregon or Seattle middle of next year!
@@thomasdavidson3152 I put 200k miles on my "Chrysler crap" Jeep without ever a major repair. Replaced radiator and catalytic converter. Can't think of much else I ever did to it. Regret that I sold it.
I have a 2010 Forester and I have also owned a 1989 Jeep Wrangler. The only thing I miss about the Wrangler is having the top and doors off. I have taken the Forester everywhere I have taken the Jeep and more. The Subaru is a very capable vehicle .
While I don’t currently own a Subaru, I have owned two in the past and can attest to their durability, four wheel drive prowess and fun quotient. You have proven time and time again that your Subbie can and does tackle, with limited modifications, some very challenging terrain. I guess haters gotta hate🤷🏻♂️ Keep those amazing videos coming and know that you have ignited a fire in my belly to take my trusty Hyundai out into woods and explore. Adventure on!👍👏🏻🚙🍻🏕⛰
Subarus are awesome in terms of all wheel drive system and way more practical than a Jeep, so definitely one of the best choices you can make is select a Subaru :)
Love the quality of your videos man, recently went on a camping trip, encountered rocks, mud and def some climbs, was pleasantly surprised my Impreza hatch (2019) could handle all of that, considering it’s rlly a commuting car instead of a “off road” vehicle. Subscribed to your channel, can’t wait for more videos!
Thanks Donald! This one was awesome! Every time I see one of your videos I’m ready to add a Subie to our family. It’s doing everything you need it to do and It’s still a great daily driver. You’re an inspiration! Oh and great job on this one! Really sweet clips, great music, and wonderful editing as always! Thanks for sharing!
I own a 2014 forester and live in Canada where 4-5 months are about snow and ice. I had a Jeep for 5 years and the total experience package goes to the Subaru. Great video and commentary.
People to worried about what your driving and how much you spend on something its about getting out there and having great experiences, on that note i take my lifted 97 subaru Impreza outback sport and take it everywhere even more places then a really big 4x4 because of the compact size
subaru set up is a monster crusher = i have a forester gt 2001 = 150 mph does everything and more wet slippery grass slopes = subaru can do it easy = thank you i love my subaru !
That is a key point about how tall a vehicle is, clearances, wind resistance, ride comfort, ease of ingress/egress, ability to carry passengers, rooftop access, cargo access !!! All conciderations about " usefulness " !
Great video 👍 I have a ton of respect for people who wheel Subarus. I recently bought one for my wife to drive (same gen Forester as yours) and I will say I like it very much. It won't replace my Jeep but I definitely understand why people choose them for the purposes you illustrated here. They are great on dirt roads and rough trails but the lack of flex seems to be their achilles heel. If you are traversing a lot of uneven terrain (gullies, rocks or deep washouts ECT) then the solid axles rule but for cruising dirt trails and forest roads, the great AWD system, independent suspension and good ground clearance of the Subaru make it a great choice.
Indeed, there's frustratingly little flex to these cars and it's really only thanks to the traction control system braking the lifted spinning wheels that I am able to surmount some of these rutted spots. The advantages of solid axles is clear. Fortunately, those seriously rutted segments are few and far between in all the exploring I've done around Oregon, so I get by. If someone was dealing with terrain like that a higher percentage of the time, it would get old fast and investing in a 4x4 would start to make more sense for sure. With a Jeep and a Forester in the family, you guys are well set up for whatever the need may be. Thanks for watching!
Nice video! I just found your channel through Primal Outdoors. Totally agree with you. My current rig is a 1993 Ford E-150 conversion van that has been converted into a camper van - everything in an RV except a shower. My previous rig was a 2003 Chrysler Town & Country minivan. The minivan had aggressive-tread street tires while the E-150 has a light off-road tire and 2" lift in the rear. Since I travel full-time in my van I need to balance a lot of things, including off-road capability to explore and camp in the wilderness - but off-road access is only one component, and I am not interested in rock climbing or mudding. My minivan took me nearly everywhere I wanted to go - including up 4x4 trails like Hurrah Pass in Moab. My E-150 is a complete beast with the off-road tires and, as I frequently tell people, will happily take me down roads/trails that I don't even want to be on! LOL The right vehicle is the one that best meets your overall needs. Thanks for sharing :)
All I can say is, looks like you're having just as much fun out here as anyone else. I came here to get introduced to this kind of community and lifestyle. Just bought a '21 Trailblazer and wanting to do stuff like this.
I love your Subaru! I just got a Toyota Tacoma and I love watching your videos because what you do is what a lot of people want to do. Drive around and enjoy this beautiful country we live in. Thank you for making great content in a badass vehicle.
Subaru has definitely enjoyed it's own special niche of offroad capable crossover. Mitsubishi's S-AWC in the Evolution is incredible system but it's in a vehicle that has always been 40 grand. The latest offerings from Toyota and Kia have vastly improved but still not quite as good as a Subaru. Haldex version 5 has at least matched Subaru. GKN and Honda twin clutch rear differential AWD systems are very advanced. GKN equipped vehicles are expensive tho! While iVTM4 is available starting at $33k.
Comparing Subaru AWD to a 4x4 system is stretching it. Apples to Oranges! But comparing to other AWD systems - it’s a slam dunk, Subaru really is the best. I burn through company cars every 6 months/ 70k miles. I’ve tried them all, but my current vehicle is a 2019 Subaru Outback limited 2.5 with Blizzack studless winter tires. I was driving up to Sun Valley, ID at 4:30 AM this morning on Hwy 22 in blizzard conditions: 15-20 ft. visibility, 40 mph side wind, and 5-6 inches of standing snow. Going at a safe speed, I was completely safe and in control. Man, I love my Subaru. I think I’m gonna buy out the company lease when it’s time to turn it in.
Chris Ross an older Subaru with a 4EAT like the one Donald drives is a great little vehicle. Please note that the capability ceiling is reached much sooner with the newer ones.
JonDZ Adventuring ....great! NOW I have to subscribe to your channel to get it straight hah😄😄! I appreciate all the work and insight you guys put into your channels. Looking forward to seeing your content as well. Thanks Jon.
First I want to say that I really like the videos you make. I am a Subaru lover, I have one (Impreza 1997) and my next project is to acquire a Forester and install a 2 "lift kit (actually manufacture, because here in Brazil it is impossible to import the Kit). I am inspired by your Subaru, including I will ask for some tips when I go to assemble My idea is to take a walk with my daughter and wife, explore alternative places, take her to get to know nature up close. I don't think you should ride a jeep, because for half the price you enjoy the same joys. Congratulations and I keep following you (here on youtube and Instagram)
Love your videos and after watching so many I gotten myself a forester about a month ago, Subaru are great cars that does very good off roads plus very comfortable and great gas mileage. People I know who owns jeeps hates the ride of their Jeep not comfortable back breaking and gas sucks! The amount of actually off road very little on their Jeep and most of the time it’s on a trailer till destination. Subaru is perfect for everyday driving and off road, keep doing what you do that’s why I watch your videos and not crazy rock crawling Jeep videos.
Drive what ever you want as long as you are a good steward of the land and leave on trace plus your Subaru will still be running a lot longer than any Jeep, keep up the great videos 👍
Driving a Subaru offroad isnt just your regular offroad. Its passion, its the community, its the challgene of why should I restrict myself to the roads. Subaru has never been just some crossovers, you either hate the brand or love it to death.
I never knew what "love - it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru" meant, until I owned one. I can see why the saying fits, for the same reasons you described. The offroad Subaru community is one of the best I know for anything; being a part of photography, artist, metalworking, woodworking, communities as well...
@@BlPlN everyone can offroad a Jeep or a Toyota. But offroading a Subie is something more. The feeling you get after your crossover goes through something you never expected it to go through. Its awesome. Yeah the CVT isnt the best but if you get used to it and maintain it, you will be fine!
@@BlPlNi live in finland, subaru’s aren’t here very popular car’s except for the outdoor people, we test drived 4 different suvs until we test drived forester and drived a subaru for the first time, we just had to buy it, just, something in it felt like this is our car. Its a perfect daily car for people who do outdoors. It really has a strong community, didnt know it until bought one, some days after we bought the forester i saw this older man with modded older outback on the road, first time someone waved at me because we both were driving same car brand, made me feel good, after that, driver’s and the subaru’s ive seen here, there is always the mutual respect and passion for what your doing and how your doing it. ”Love, its what makes a subaru, a subaru”, if you know, you really know. ✌️- Dtdforester from instagram
You get the last smirk .... you've saved a huge amount of fuel, and still had tons of fun! BTW, how many 'go-pro type cameras do you use for these videos?
I own a 2019 Jeep JLU Rubicon... love your channel! What ever you can get out there with is perfect 👌🏽 when I was a kid I had a 53 ford truck; put that thing in granny and it would take you anywhere... keep up the great adventures... that’s what it’s about right? Adventure, not some false status
Exactly! It's about getting out there, having some adventure, and enjoying the wilderness, whether it's in a Subaru, a Jeep, or a Toyota Camry. Fortunately, *most* people get that. :-) Thanks for watching!
Took my Outback on many black diamond Jeep trails, and it killed every one of them. I've had a beefed up Wrangler AND a beefed up Outback, and I would take the Outback every single time over the Wrangler.
I had driven quite a few cars on "back country" roads before I bought my 2013 Crosstrek. These days I still use it (stock), because it is featured the best for my need. Should it be rain, snow, dust, mud, it takes me where I need to. Our woodland tracks are narrow, so the size is perfect (the only reason why not a Forester). On our rocky roads its high ground clearance is a must. With decent tires its AWD gets out from quite incredible swamps. On the other hand it does the job on many-hundred mile snowy motorways - and it does it swiftly. And it still looks like new without much ado. A well built machine with modesty. I appreciate performance cars, and the obsession to upgrade them (I am not free of it myself) but I could not imagine a better car for my lifestyle. Thanks for the video. Done a great job. I think you've just hit the nail by the head.
Bro, you do you. Don't sweat what others think or say. Chances are, they are just sitting at home on the couch wishing they were doing what you're doing. I'm a new subscriber to your channel. Keep doing you, and we'll keep watching. I loved the video by the way.
I have a "true" 4x4 with low range and a rear locker. Know how many times ive used the locker? 0!! My truck isn't all that comfortable and really its the mpgs the keep me from getting out and exploring. So, i think the crossovers do good enough and jdz has me looking really closely at the passport. Love the videos!
Your Subie is doing absolutely fine for the places you are exploring. The AWD system on a Subie is in fact quite capable really. If you are rolling a Jeep, your channel will not be called "Soft" roading the west anymore! It'll be just another Jeep offroading channel. I drive a Mitsu RVR, I SoftRoad with it and I love your videos. Keep it up!!
Subis are an excellent choice and a great combo of capability and reliability that Jeeps don't give, "cool factor" and rock crawling aside. For the roads you described at the end, that are very manageable, you don't need a Jeep. Plus, your Subi got some of the badass flair with the tires and all :) great jog!
“It’s a Jeep thing, you wouldn’t understand...” Oh you mean that shitty, condescending attitude towards absolutely every other 4x4 and SUV on Earth? Yeah, you’re right.... we most certainly do not understand 🙄
I used to own a TJ many years ago and the community back then was really cool. From what I can tell now, most new Jeep owners have this attitude. I'm willing to bet there is even a divide between the TJ/YJ vs. JK owners.
LOL...wouldn't hardroading be pavement? Actually that WOULD be a funny channel...build a kick@$$ lifted Jeep with all the expensive mods, and then make videos going from mall to mall, LOL.
The ride " EVERYWHERE " is what's important !! Subaru is comfortable, quiet, reliable, economical.. My 2014 Forester has done a fair amount of off highway / forest roads in the NW . Good A/T tires , skid plates, rock sliders , and basic recovery gear is all that's needed really .
A family friend bought a new vehicle and the dealership offered him $100 tradein for his 07 Forester (to no one's surprise, it needs a new head gasket). So, he gave it to me. Got the title switched over today and now I'm sittin here watching your videos getting all kinds of Ideas. Keep it up!!
Great video. Subarus are pretty badass. All wheel drive and with the right tires, you can do alright. I have felt that true "4 wheeling" is more of a skill set--the machine is only the beginning. You have to know your machine, observe your surroundings, plan your path and execute with just the right combination of finesse and momentum. Well done sir! I look forward to seeing more of your videos!
I've been wrestling between getting a used Forester (had a 2015, traded it up for the Ascent which is now our family vehicle) or a Wrangler. Watching your videos and reading comments from this post have sold me on getting another Forester. Just subscribed and will be enjoying more of your content. Keep up the great work brother. Cheers from Southwest Virginia.
I enjoyed watching you go to the extreme in your Subaru Forester. You are not the first or the only RUclipsr to use a Subaru for remote off grid camping. The more I see the more I appreciate the durability of this little car/SUV/4X4. Because of the compatible going in price, durability factor, decent load capacity, the nice towing capacity, good gas mileage, small foot print and projected lifespan. I am seriously considering making a Subaru Forester my next vehicle. I have to say that I agree with you about the largest percentage of the roads are mostly semi improved gravel/ crushed stone.
I have a 2020 forester, my wife a 2016 outback and I wouldn’t trade either for any Jeep. As a native Oregonian who lives 3000 miles away I love these videos they bring back great memories.
The biggest thing that forester could benefit from is lockers. I'm a jeep guy (tj's) but always wanted a forester for long fly fishing road trips (more comfort and room). I'm not real big on the new body style but I will most likely be looking at getting an older Forester. I'm really digging the channel and I can't wait to see more content.
Torq Masters recently introduced a rear locker for Subaru diffs. I don't have one installed, but I've seen it in action. It makes a little noise in low speed tight turns but is quite effective on the trail. I've been surviving diagonal wheel spin situations thanks to the traction control system, but for older Subarus the locker makes a huge difference. And I'd still consider it for mine as well, you can see how much my car has to hesitate and think about it before getting the power distributed properly. In most cases I'm able to move on past the obstacle but in some situations, that hesitation is enough to keep me from going any further.
You don't need to apologize to nobody. I perfectly understand your passion. I drive a 2004 Volvo XC70. I call it the swiss knife of cars. Very versatile. It takes me to work daily. It carries my tools (I am a painter). I empty the tools, it takes me to church on Sunday. Road trips, back roads driving, soft off-roading, you've guessed: I take my Volvo. Because it's for life... Keep doing what you are doing.
Loved overlanding in my Subaru in Japan. Even camped in it with a friend on a mountain during a typhoon. It was bone stock and the challenge of putting it through it’s paces was part of the fun.
Impressive off-roading skills! Your Forester is awesome! Haters are gonna hate...sadly. I love all your videos. Perfect music, video editing, camera work, down to earth adventures.
WELL...All I can say is "if that's not the greatest advert for Subaru's forester then I don't know what is" Take no notice of the nay sayers who have probably never done the softroad scene and just sit on their laptops criticising you guys. I had an 04 plate L322 Range rover which would do more and go further off the beaten track but what you accomplish in your rig is amazing. Keep doing what you're doing brother for many years to come. :-)
You have spoken not just for Subaru Crossover drivers, but for crossover drivers who actually take their vehicles off road. I am immeasurably grateful that you've made this video, and I liked it so much I'm going to pin it on my Twitter account. Now I want someone out there to make a video for my uses, I take my Subaru XV Crosstrek crossover both off road and intend to take it to autocross and road course track days. I don't know if you can imagine the amount of hatred I get from both off-road communities and track day drivers alike.
My Subaru is a 2015 Forester, and I love it. It is my only vehicle. I drive it around town, in big cities, and I feel perfectly comfortable driving it to my campsites in National Forests. I hope it doesn’t make it seem less “badass” that I am a 74 year old woman.
You go girl
You go Lady!! I'm just a young 66
I'm happy to hear you're getting out there with it, that's awesome! Thanks for watching!
@@softroadingthewest
You need to show the TFLnow guys your video's. Roman and Tommy are Subaru haters. Those dudes don't know how to drive off-road.
That's awesome!!!
I had a young fella in a car park point to my car (lifted ob on at's with roof basket and awning etc)and say "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a 4wd"
I looked at his lowered family sedan on expensive rims and tyres with an exhaust and replied "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a sports car"
You could see his brain trying to process it for a minute before he grunted and unlocked his car. Not sure if he got my point or not.
Point is, we all pick our cars for whatever reason. I modified my outback coz we already owned it and it still works great. Drive what you like, let others do the same.
Part of the fun is doing something different and making a vehicle do exactly what you want it to do. I had a lowered Jeep, now that gets some weird looks. Of course there is a point where you are essentially redoing so much of a vehicle that you would definitely be money ahead to buy something closer to what you want from the factory.
Nice reply and you are absolutely right
but... an outback is 4wd, isn't it?
@@piotrbarnowski2443 hey mate, nah it's AWD. Technically all 4 wheels are being driven all the time, but the way power and torque are delivered are different than that of a 4wd system. Basically awd is for traction, stability and safety, 4wd is for offroading.
If you need a technical explanation, there are some good videos on yt about it.
@@joelg4849 interesting, i've got to look into it, thanks for dropping knowledge!
You're missing out on all the maintenance costs of owning a Jeep, so you clearly wouldn't understand real overlanding.. No death wobble? No 8mpg? What are you, some kind of supremacist?? Keep at it man. I'm pounding dirt as soon as I pick up a Baja. I'll enjoy the outdoors and a nice quiet ride thank you very much :) Love the videos!
What type of Jeep do you have that gets 8mpg? My TJ Rubicon gets 18mpg.
My TJ averaged 12-13 with 4.10 gears and 33" tires.
I mean, Subaru maintenance costs are pretty expensive too, especially if you have a CVT on top of the boxer engine.
Subaru is what Jeep use to be, daimlerchrysler just screwed up the Jeep
@@johngreen9864 4 or 6 cylinder?
I do all of this in my crosstrek as well. If I wanted to do serious rock crawling or deep mud I might consider a jeep but for what I like to do my crosstrek works just fine.
Exactly.
I drive a stock '15 crosstrek, my fil drives a stock '97 landcruiser. We took my car out on a fishing trip through some pretty gnarly terrains, he was pretty impressed by what my little car can do. The flat and higher undercarriage was also very beneficial.
Yeah they can handle quite a bit I had to climb a 4ft embankment in mine due to the trail being washed out and she did great. I have an '18 crosstrek with a 2"lift and bfg k02s.
No stock jeep will do serious mud or rocks without modifications. The jeep guys say jeep stands for just empty every pocket (of cash) because once you start modding and offroading things are going to break a lot. There is also a reason that most of the PNW guys run toyota rigs - reliability and excellent 4wd. You just don't want to be in back country driving anything that is going to break and leave you stranded until someone finds you.
@@danielboughton3624 I've run a gmc offroad rig and now my crosstrek and outside of rock crawling I prefer my crosstrek for reliability, last outing I did near hoodoo I had to rescue 2 jeeps and a raptor from snow banks
As the owner of several four wheel drive vehicles including two jeeps I throughly enjoy watching your videos. Everything has its purpose. I'm not exactly sure why some people think it's their duty to tell everyone what to do. You are living the dream man, keep doing what you love.
I'm a Ram man, I joined for the adventure not to see jeeps everywhere. Refreshing to see something different "get it".
You remind me of a ram ranch type of guy lol
What still makes subaru the most amazing off road on road vehicle is what you don't have to do to it. Compare the cost to outfit a jeep with suspension, bla bla bla. A forester only needs 2 inches and tires to go play vrs thousands of dollars to go get stuck. Lpl
Nicely done video, you could sell that to Subaru for a promotional of its Offroad capability. I do own a Rubicon JKU and still like your videos LOL.
I have nothing against Jeeps, not in the least. On the contrary, give me the keys to a Jeep and a year's supply of gasoline and that Subaru's gonna sit and do nothing for a year, LOL. I own a Subaru but I follow a number of Jeep and other 4x4 channels. :-) My only issue is with people casting judgment on what anyone else chooses to drive. It just somehow seems to revolve around Jeep in my comments sections, heh. Thanks for watching!
Lol same here... I have a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon unlimited and I LOVED this vid! Dude legit Subaru footage... I have zero issue with anything that's gets you to the fun! A lot of Jeep people are douche bags anyway!
The biggest reason I follow this channel is because of the Subaru. I think it's pretty cool to do what you do with it. If it works for what you want it to do why get something different?
When I am on the trails and see a “non-traditional” vehicle I’m always impressed....And excited! We even seem to talk about the sighting as a trip highlight after the fact! “Remember that Subaru we saw that time out in the middle of nowhere?! Yeah!, that was awesome!” I’ll see you out there bro!
Yeah I hear you but they're out there getting damaged when they do that over and over LOL I look at it this way if they really want to go off-roading without the risk of scraping and messing things up why not just have a real 4 x 4? I mean there's never been a time where you're thinking darn I wish I wasn't in this Jeep because the Subaru would have been better at this or that LOL I mean unless you're on the street but in that case then an economy car or luxury car would be even better. The point is if we were all born yesterday and we saw 4 x 4 vehicles and then we saw a Subaru like a bunch of innocent children we would say what's wrong with that one why is it so low and have such little weak components underneath? We probably wouldn't gravitate toward it because there wouldn't be a fanboy affection for them and we would just see it for what it is something less capable and low to the ground. Now I agree with you seeing something out when your Wheeling is cool but I like to do that in a different way. I drive a 2000 Land Rover Discovery 2, front and rear solid axles traction control 2 inch lift on 33s and you never see that in America hardly. Yeah all over the UK there like Jeep Cherokees around here. But seriously if I'm just being honest and not even trying to sound like a bully I just don't get why someone would take something less capable and more likely to get damaged down rough dirt roads that slowly turn into random high-clearance trails and try to do it or have to turn around when they could have just drove something there that can haul more cargo and do more
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I get what you are saying, but at the same time why bring more vehicle to a trail than you need? Its much more gratifying to push a vehicle to the limit making it down the trail then just walking over all the obstacles in a big, lifted truck on 35s. I own a softroader myself (92 toyota carib) and even in its stock form on some bigger mud tires I can make it down 90% of the trails where I live. And lets be honest, to get to these offroading spots in the first place you normally need to drive on pavement for several hours, often on some quite nice twisty roads. Thats much more fun in a car based softroader than any 'real' 4x4. And when you get there, you can still make it to the end of the trail (if with some difficulty!) and the trail itself is more enjoyable because of the challenge. Not to mention the conversation starter it is when a bewildered 4wheeler spots you out in the middle of the whoop whoops in your Frankenstein 4x4 car
With regards to damaging your vehicle, its nothing a lift, a set of skidplates and some common sense cant deal with. No more risky then pushing a proper 4x4 on a tougher track, and the parts are way cheaper if you do break something
Oh and I should add that softroaders are as good if not better than real 4x4s on the beach. With a low cog and only 1100 kg to drag along, once youve aired down you skip over the sand no problem, and recovery when you do get stuck is far easier since you arent trying to push/dig/winch/tow a 2200kg disco, or whatever it is out
You: *Out in the wild, off-roading where most jeep owners never take their fluffed up mall crawlers*
Habitual Armchair Wankers: *”YoU ShOuLd Bi a jYEp! OnLi jEps cAn Do ThAt!”*
*bUt JyEP!*
So true 😂
I saw a video of a guy driving all over Lions Back in Utah in a Ford Crown Vic. At first the Jeep guys were laughing at him before he schooled them.
Let me see...
2020 Subaru Forester MSRP approximately $24,500 up to $32,000 for a Limited
2020 Jeep Wrangler Sport 2 door MSRP approximately $28,300 up to $42,300 for a Rubicon
Even with the addition of the lift, wheels and tires, and any additional skid plating, you're still likely coming out ahead.
For the average person that extra money gets you a vehicle that isn't as comfortable and gets worse fuel mileage, among other things. So, you spend more initially, then spend more along the way to get a vehicle that doesn't suit your daily needs as well, and is overbuilt for what you actually do when exploring/overlanding.
I've had three Jeeps and right now drive a Tundra (we've had several Subies in the family, and my next vehicle will likely be a Subaru). I think I can safely say that if you're off-roading warrants a Jeep, or if you just want one, buy one. We should be promoting and encouraging everyone who wants to get safely and appropriately into the backcountry, regardless of the vehicle they drive, so long as they understand its limitations. If you feel threatened by someone in a Subaru or other crossover, maybe it's your problem, not theirs.
Well said!
Exactly! I don't bemoan anyone their Jeep if that's what they want to drive, heck, even if it never touches dirt. I don't go around criticizing mall-crawler 4x4s for staying on pavement. I'd just like the same courtesy when I choose to take my humble passenger car off pavement. :-) Thanks for watching!
@@softroadingthewest I enjoy watching enough to subscribe and look for you posts. The first Subaru we had was my wife's '90s Outback. She had a midlife crisis and now has a WRX as her third Subaru. My youngest daughter has a Forester, and my oldest just mentioned that she wants to go here in the next week or two and start looking at Subarus. It's only a matter of time for me. In the meanwhile, I live vicariously through you and bruceyyyyy
A Wrangler for 24.500$? A Rubicon for 42.300$?
Here in the EU the standard Wrangler begins at 50k$ the Rubicon at 60k$ - that's why nearly no one is driving a Wrangler offroad here
@@UniqueStance Yep, they are way too overpriced here. And if you'll buy either one of it, you won't have food on your plate because gas prices are just insane.
The best vehicle for driving off road like this is the one that'll get you where you want to go. If you get there, and better yet, if you have fun getting there, then that's all that matters!
I’m thinking of doing some soft overlanding. I own a Subaru Outback. From looking at videos on RUclips what I have learned is
1. Know the capability of your vehicle (you clearly defined that through this video)
2. Overlanding is about the destination and the art of enjoying the outdoors as you do it.
3. The current crossover / SUV that you have is sufficient to get started. As if your requirements don’t exceed the capability of the vehicle, why do you need something else.
I enjoy your videos thoroughly. We need more content on Subaru overlanding. Thanks for doing what you do!
Hell no we don’t need a “ true 4x4” for exploring the majority of the back country roads. Me and my ‘12 Forester do just fine. Have fun with your subie on the trail.
If I wanted to be annoying, I would brag about forester not being a subie (SUBaru ImprEza), but who cares :D
you Bet'Cha from N.E. MINNESOTA where the land runs out the World's Largest Lake begins ! 99 Legacy Brighton 116K orig miles. 2.2L 4spd auto. snowtires. nothing else needed.
Great video, thanks for posting, I am a big Jeep fan and have done some fairly serious off roading in my day, but you are 100% correct, for what you need to do and where you need to go your Subaru is perfectly suited, and the fact that those roads actually pose some challenge makes it all the more fun! Keep doing what you are doing!
I just bought my first “new” car and it’s a 2011 Subaru Forester. It’s my daily but its gonna be my adventure vehicle too. This channel is a big reason on why I bought it and is gonna be the inspiration for my build
Brilliant video. It's all about proper tires, properly deflated, sufficient ground clearance, the correct line, and most of all (in my opinion) proper throttle control.
You nailed it.
SMOOTH IS THE WORD !!
I had a 1981 Subaru hatchback ... factory equipped with white wagon wheels, manually adjustable height suspension and a dual range 4x4 system wth a proper lever between the seats. Made skid plates and rear diff protector in my HS shop... gave all the Jeep and pickup crowd fits when the little bastard out climbed them on hills. Loved that thing..
I was just thinking how neat it would be if you were to put together a compilation of conquering challenges like this! Cosmic - and awesome video!
Ahh, was that you? The voices in my head tell me what to do but they rarely identify themselves like this. Thanks, it was a great idea! :-)
Nice to see someone who's not afraid of scratching a vehicle and pushing it's limits
And use an SUV for it's intended purpose
Jeep stands for just empty every pocket
We took our '23 Forester Wilderness 4 wheeling a couple days ago. Scraped the skid plates, got it covered in mud and sand, my wife pinstriped both sides. It was great fun, and all the jeepers and SxS drivers had their jaw hanging open lol. It's only got 6k miles on it!
You’ve accumulated knowledge through experience that not everyone has. Keep doing what you’re doing and share it for those of us that are starting late.
I"m honestly inspired by how you use a subie off-road, sometimes makes me ponder selling my jeep for a subie. I think its more suited to I offroad and explore. Thanks for this great episode!
*"It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru"*
Lol
YES! YES! YES!
If you know, you know
Amazing video! I keep my eye on multiple overlanding channels, some with big badass Jeeps, some with incredible, dream like Tacomas and this one with an amazing forester that is not scared of anything and has more fun than lots of the big guys. And to be honest your channel is my favorite of them all. Thank you!
My stock Forester has always gotten me to every campsite I've wanted to go to and that's all I could really want from it.
As a Jeep driver I honestly have so much respect for a forester, an amazing daily driver and 9 times outta 10 can still do the crap jeeps do... only limited by ground clearance, I’d strongly suggest taking the forester route before buying your first Jeep, don’t get me wrong I love my Jeep and wouldn’t trade it for anything but if it’s meant to be a daily as well Subaru all the way
To be fair, your respectful attitude is by far the most common I've encountered from Jeep owners. We all have more or less the same interests and goals and the majority of people can see that we're more alike than different. It's just the small vocal handful of naysayers. I thank them for setting me up to make this video. :-)
Keep your Subaru if it’s what you want then, who cares what anyone else has to say. I’ve seen Jeeps get stuck in places where Subaru’s just plow though. As sergeant slaughter pointed out Subaru’s have the best have the best all wheel drive system’s in the world. They are very reliable get more then decent gas mileage considering it’s all wheel drive , not to mention it’s your daily driver while Jeeps are great. I personally wouldn’t want one as a daily driver.
Keep the video’s coming!,
well said my subaru looks really pretty and goes like stink = 7200 rpm sees my catch and pass many v8 and top class european cars audi is a favorite for me to challange - mercedes - porsche - fun to watch their faces as i blast past bmw renault vw some times i get beaten but it is always close ! forester gt turbo gold with gold mag`s . thank you.
Jeeps can be comfy daily drivers, but it will cost you
I 'consider' my Subie a inexpensive Audi Quattro..... why spend $90K or MORE for a Quattro when you get the same wonderful traction with a $20+ Subie ??!! Love Subies!
@@richardmiller1256 Yeep parts...... I mean cheap parts. Sorry.... (not)
@@brassslowhand3680 a Quattro isnt something that I would take off roading. Just dut to the fact that it's not all wheel drive all the time.
Loved these clips. We got into Subarus in the early 1980s going to Fraser Island for the same reasons, cheaper to buy & run, more comfortable, a lot more capable then people think. We delighted in proving the skeptics wrong about where we could go in these little Subies. Still love my Subarus and where they take me 40 years later.
Wow, maybe I've watched too many videos from 4WD Action but even I would have hesitated to take my Subaru to Fraser Island. Of course those 80s Subarus were a different breed. Still, I'd loooove to put my Forester on a boat and come poke around down there! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. Your Subie tackles more off road than most jeeps ever do, and JonDZ has been diligent in making the practicality point in favor of the CUV for a while now as well.
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Reach Victoria thanks! Crossovers just keep getting better and more capable and I think a lot of that has to do with the success of Subaru. Many people want offroad capable daily commuters! There’s no doubt in my mind, the AWD capability in my Honda Passport is there partly because of Subaru.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Now I'm just hoping our Nissan Rogue will be able to do what we ask of it! =D
I live in Vancouver, BC so also out exploring the PNW and so far, the biggest obstacle that has stopped me have been the ditches on decommissioned FSRs when the culverts are removed. There simply isn't a lot of room to work with. I'm considering an outback (which compared to forester has longer wheelbase and probably worse approach/departure angles) but any thoughts on getting through "ditches" vs a more off-road oriented vehicle?
I am definitely pavement driving 95% of the time, but also regularly explore forestry roads for camping or remote trail access, and ideally I don't want to be stopped in my tracks!
I wish I could give this video TWO thumbs up!
I got my mall crawler 4runner, but proud of this distant cousin forester killin’ it ♥️🤙🏽
Oh man. I have my own version half filmed but might drop it because this illustrated the point just as well.
Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road.
Exactly. And I think you should finish what you started. I would hate to think that something I did deprived the world of a bruceyyyyy video. We need you out here, man!
@@softroadingthewest I was getting frustrated because I wanted to try this new uhhh special effect? But it's really hard to pull off actually and takes a lot of patience.
Frame ? What does it have to with frame more capable ?
@@BlackSpade72 Durability, strength flexibility, etc.
bruceyyyyy I would say SUVs with a unibody structure are safer than those with a trucklike body-on-frame design. ... The body attaches to the frame and, while it does provide structural support, the body is not as significant to the structure as it is in a unibody vehicle. Beside Jeep Cherokee XJs and etc has unibody just like Subarus .
This is the best SUBARU Off-road compilation vid ever! And…drive what YOU want buddy!
Bought a Crosstrek (In Germany "XV“) 4 Weeks ago with steel engine and diff protection 🤗
At my country Subies are totally underdogs and have a rather small community but I don‘t care
and drive this one and my 2019Mustang GT! 😋
I have already been there with a jeep and I wont ever go back. I have a lifted 2019 crosstrek and I love getting double the fuel mileage my jeep did, rides way smoother, and is known for far better reliability.
Thanks. Helps with decision on selling off my Jeep. I wanted more modern, better MPG
Wow. Great editing. I'm blown away that after all you [don't hesitate to] put it through, the rockers and mufflers are no worse for wear. Well done sir.
As an avid Subaru guy that follows y.t. channels that have “off road” content -there’s almost always a Jeep or 4 runner person in the comment section. With their arms folded, sternly looking down: “you SHOULD NOT being going off-road with that vehicle!” I get there is a line or grey area of off-road difficulty...when a crossover starts going to far into the world off a true off-roader.. As a Subaru driver, you just have to know your limits..
I think it's all about compromise. I recently bought an Outback. I'm not going to go rock climbing in it. It's not built for that. Going off into the woods on old forest roads that my old Civic might not have been able to do is a nice advantage.
Actually - That's probably the key bit for me: Going off into the woods on ill-kept roads that I otherwise wouldn't be able to drive on is nice. I get to go exploring. For me, I'm really not interested in rock climbing, having a spotter, and all that. I just want a little more than a highway car but, at the same time, I want a nice highway car. That's where the Outback comes in.
Just to make sure I don't ruffle any feathers: I completely get why some want to take their Jeeps/other vehicles out and do rock climbing with spotters. I enjoy those videos. If I were into it (and maybe one day I may be) then I'd go the Jeep or similar route, too.
Well said...it’s amazing what a Subaru can do when you add some A.T. Tires and a lift. It’s best of both worlds: really good off-road and...good handling/ gas mileage as an everyday driver!
As a Jeep owner, I say it’s about Discovery and Adventure, the vehicle that gets you there is secondary.
@@cworegon3164 Basically, this is what it should sum up to. The vehicle is a tool to make your life comfortable when traveling, and a tool to actually get you to/through those travels in one piece. Drive whatever you want, so long as it accomplishes those two goals.
If you're traveling to offroad, then you prioritize offroading. If you offroad sometimes because you want to travel, then you prioritize whatever makes that possible.
@@BradleyBishop 👌👌 Nailed it.
I'm just impressed your paint job looks as good as it does still! 😊
Liked before I even finished watching it! we all know these videos are always good :) flexing is overrated and 3wheel subaru drive is the future! lol
I absolutely agree that you can still explore the backcountry without having to buy a jeep. 90% of the time you arn't rock crawling or doing extreme trails just to get the nicest view or to reach an area to be able to enjoy the outdoors. Most offroad scenic trails are light to moderately difficult. The subaru's stock come with enough ground clearance for most light duty trails. And if you meet something more challenging you can always give the subaru a bit of lift and some good all terrains and youll be doing 90% of the trails :)
I also agree with Bruceyyyy "Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road."
FAVORITE QUOTE OF ALL TIME!!!!!!
"Yea if I had a jeep I could go drive all of that stuff you just saw with no problem, wouldn't even have to think twice about it. The part of what makes this especially enjoyable is the challenge of doing it in a vehicle that is not necessarily what it is designed to do"
Exactly! I was surprised by what I could get to during my first year with the car completely stock, and continue to be surprised where it will go now. I could totally see owning a 4x4 someday but for now this gets me out there in a way I can afford.
Great shots of watching the AWD system do it's thing and proving why it's good
I prefer a pickup but from what I’ve seen your Subaru does a great job, probably better than my truck will
I drove a 2WD pickup as my daily for most of my life prior to the Forester and I do miss having a truck bed. That is probably what would eventually swing me over to driving a real 4x4, having the added utility of a pickup. Thanks for watching!
softroadingthewest or a lifted Baja turbo 😬
This might as well be an advertisement for Subaru haha. Love the footage! Just got my 2 inch lift ordered for my Crosstrek. Excited to get out on the trail!
Jeep.. more capable off road and for towing, less capable for everything else.
The more I watch your channel the more I try to convince my wife to buy a Forester. haha
Also, were trying to move out to Oregon or Seattle middle of next year!
Can you name a few of those things they are less capable in?
Jeeps are.less capable of needing repairs. Chrysler crap.
@@thomasdavidson3152 I put 200k miles on my "Chrysler crap" Jeep without ever a major repair. Replaced radiator and catalytic converter. Can't think of much else I ever did to it. Regret that I sold it.
I have a 2010 Forester and I have also owned a 1989 Jeep Wrangler. The only thing I miss about the Wrangler is having the top and doors off. I have taken the Forester everywhere I have taken the Jeep and more. The Subaru is a very capable vehicle .
David Patterson we could start with safety ratings and move on into gas mileage and cargo room if you’d like?
While I don’t currently own a Subaru, I have owned two in the past and can attest to their durability, four wheel drive prowess and fun quotient. You have proven time and time again that your Subbie can and does tackle, with limited modifications, some very challenging terrain. I guess haters gotta hate🤷🏻♂️ Keep those amazing videos coming and know that you have ignited a fire in my belly to take my trusty Hyundai out into woods and explore. Adventure on!👍👏🏻🚙🍻🏕⛰
You and Camping with "Steve Wallis" with his trusty Hyundai. 😁
Awesome, get out there!
Subarus are awesome in terms of all wheel drive system and way more practical than a Jeep, so definitely one of the best choices you can make is select a Subaru :)
Love the quality of your videos man, recently went on a camping trip, encountered rocks, mud and def some climbs, was pleasantly surprised my Impreza hatch (2019) could handle all of that, considering it’s rlly a commuting car instead of a “off road” vehicle. Subscribed to your channel, can’t wait for more videos!
Love the message, footage, action, and build. Wheel on.
Thanks Donald! This one was awesome! Every time I see one of your videos I’m ready to add a Subie to our family. It’s doing everything you need it to do and It’s still a great daily driver. You’re an inspiration! Oh and great job on this one! Really sweet clips, great music, and wonderful editing as always! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Dan!
Def a new level to your vids! Thx!
I own a 2014 forester and live in Canada where 4-5 months are about snow and ice. I had a Jeep for 5 years and the total experience package goes to the Subaru. Great video and commentary.
People to worried about what your driving and how much you spend on something its about getting out there and having great experiences, on that note i take my lifted 97 subaru Impreza outback sport and take it everywhere even more places then a really big 4x4 because of the compact size
subaru set up is a monster crusher = i have a forester gt 2001 = 150 mph does everything and more wet slippery grass slopes = subaru can do it easy = thank you i love my subaru !
That is a key point about how tall a vehicle is, clearances, wind resistance, ride comfort, ease of ingress/egress, ability to carry passengers, rooftop access, cargo access !!!
All conciderations about " usefulness " !
Great video 👍 I have a ton of respect for people who wheel Subarus. I recently bought one for my wife to drive (same gen Forester as yours) and I will say I like it very much. It won't replace my Jeep but I definitely understand why people choose them for the purposes you illustrated here. They are great on dirt roads and rough trails but the lack of flex seems to be their achilles heel. If you are traversing a lot of uneven terrain (gullies, rocks or deep washouts ECT) then the solid axles rule but for cruising dirt trails and forest roads, the great AWD system, independent suspension and good ground clearance of the Subaru make it a great choice.
Indeed, there's frustratingly little flex to these cars and it's really only thanks to the traction control system braking the lifted spinning wheels that I am able to surmount some of these rutted spots. The advantages of solid axles is clear. Fortunately, those seriously rutted segments are few and far between in all the exploring I've done around Oregon, so I get by. If someone was dealing with terrain like that a higher percentage of the time, it would get old fast and investing in a 4x4 would start to make more sense for sure. With a Jeep and a Forester in the family, you guys are well set up for whatever the need may be. Thanks for watching!
What a great video showing how capable Subaru’s can be when someone who knows how to drive is behind the wheel😁
Nice video! I just found your channel through Primal Outdoors. Totally agree with you. My current rig is a 1993 Ford E-150 conversion van that has been converted into a camper van - everything in an RV except a shower. My previous rig was a 2003 Chrysler Town & Country minivan. The minivan had aggressive-tread street tires while the E-150 has a light off-road tire and 2" lift in the rear. Since I travel full-time in my van I need to balance a lot of things, including off-road capability to explore and camp in the wilderness - but off-road access is only one component, and I am not interested in rock climbing or mudding. My minivan took me nearly everywhere I wanted to go - including up 4x4 trails like Hurrah Pass in Moab. My E-150 is a complete beast with the off-road tires and, as I frequently tell people, will happily take me down roads/trails that I don't even want to be on! LOL The right vehicle is the one that best meets your overall needs. Thanks for sharing :)
Love your channel.I also a Subaru owner (outback limited) love the car.
All I can say is, looks like you're having just as much fun out here as anyone else. I came here to get introduced to this kind of community and lifestyle. Just bought a '21 Trailblazer and wanting to do stuff like this.
Another Superior video! Thank you!
I love your Subaru! I just got a Toyota Tacoma and I love watching your videos because what you do is what a lot of people want to do. Drive around and enjoy this beautiful country we live in. Thank you for making great content in a badass vehicle.
SUBARUS... have the best all-wheel drive system on the planet. It's a proven fact. It's even equal to or better than some 4-wheel drive systems.
Subaru has definitely enjoyed it's own special niche of offroad capable crossover. Mitsubishi's S-AWC in the Evolution is incredible system but it's in a vehicle that has always been 40 grand. The latest offerings from Toyota and Kia have vastly improved but still not quite as good as a Subaru. Haldex version 5 has at least matched Subaru. GKN and Honda twin clutch rear differential AWD systems are very advanced. GKN equipped vehicles are expensive tho! While iVTM4 is available starting at $33k.
Comparing Subaru AWD to a 4x4 system is stretching it. Apples to Oranges! But comparing to other AWD systems - it’s a slam dunk, Subaru really is the best.
I burn through company cars every 6 months/ 70k miles. I’ve tried them all, but my current vehicle is a 2019 Subaru Outback limited 2.5 with Blizzack studless winter tires.
I was driving up to Sun Valley, ID at 4:30 AM this morning on Hwy 22 in blizzard conditions: 15-20 ft. visibility, 40 mph side wind, and 5-6 inches of standing snow. Going at a safe speed, I was completely safe and in control. Man, I love my Subaru. I think I’m gonna buy out the company lease when it’s time to turn it in.
Chris Ross an older Subaru with a 4EAT like the one Donald drives is a great little vehicle. Please note that the capability ceiling is reached much sooner with the newer ones.
JonDZ Adventuring ....great! NOW I have to subscribe to your channel to get it straight hah😄😄! I appreciate all the work and insight you guys put into your channels. Looking forward to seeing your content as well. Thanks Jon.
Agreed. I've got the same old Foz and it's way more capable than my buddy's new Jeep Renegade. 😂
Don’t let the haters tell you what you need. They probably don’t have a clue what Overlanding is about. Keep rocking you Subaru as you’ve been doing!
First I want to say that I really like the videos you make.
I am a Subaru lover, I have one (Impreza 1997) and my next project is to acquire a Forester and install a 2 "lift kit (actually manufacture, because here in Brazil it is impossible to import the Kit). I am inspired by your Subaru, including I will ask for some tips when I go to assemble
My idea is to take a walk with my daughter and wife, explore alternative places, take her to get to know nature up close.
I don't think you should ride a jeep, because for half the price you enjoy the same joys.
Congratulations and I keep following you (here on youtube and Instagram)
Love your videos and after watching so many I gotten myself a forester about a month ago, Subaru are great cars that does very good off roads plus very comfortable and great gas mileage. People I know who owns jeeps hates the ride of their Jeep not comfortable back breaking and gas sucks! The amount of actually off road very little on their Jeep and most of the time it’s on a trailer till destination. Subaru is perfect for everyday driving and off road, keep doing what you do that’s why I watch your videos and not crazy rock crawling Jeep videos.
Drive what ever you want as long as you are a good steward of the land and leave on trace plus your Subaru will still be running a lot longer than any Jeep, keep up the great videos 👍
Coz of you my friend.. im getting a forester..
Thanks for the vids..hats off👍
Driving a Subaru offroad isnt just your regular offroad. Its passion, its the community, its the challgene of why should I restrict myself to the roads. Subaru has never been just some crossovers, you either hate the brand or love it to death.
I never knew what "love - it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru" meant, until I owned one. I can see why the saying fits, for the same reasons you described. The offroad Subaru community is one of the best I know for anything; being a part of photography, artist, metalworking, woodworking, communities as well...
@@BlPlN everyone can offroad a Jeep or a Toyota. But offroading a Subie is something more. The feeling you get after your crossover goes through something you never expected it to go through. Its awesome. Yeah the CVT isnt the best but if you get used to it and maintain it, you will be fine!
Very well said!
@@BlPlNi live in finland, subaru’s aren’t here very popular car’s except for the outdoor people, we test drived 4 different suvs until we test drived forester and drived a subaru for the first time, we just had to buy it, just, something in it felt like this is our car.
Its a perfect daily car for people who do outdoors.
It really has a strong community, didnt know it until bought one, some days after we bought the forester i saw this older man with modded older outback on the road, first time someone waved at me because we both were driving same car brand, made me feel good, after that, driver’s and the subaru’s ive seen here, there is always the mutual respect and passion for what your doing and how your doing it.
”Love, its what makes a subaru, a subaru”, if you know, you really know. ✌️- Dtdforester from instagram
Love this! So many off-road Subaru adventures. Foresters are tough little SUVs 💪🏻 great video man 😎
You get the last smirk .... you've saved a huge amount of fuel, and still had tons of fun! BTW, how many 'go-pro type cameras do you use for these videos?
I mostly film on my mirrorless Fuji X-Pro2, plus some use of a GoPro and bits and pieces captured with my iPad on my dash.
I own a 2019 Jeep JLU Rubicon... love your channel! What ever you can get out there with is perfect 👌🏽 when I was a kid I had a 53 ford truck; put that thing in granny and it would take you anywhere... keep up the great adventures... that’s what it’s about right? Adventure, not some false status
Exactly! It's about getting out there, having some adventure, and enjoying the wilderness, whether it's in a Subaru, a Jeep, or a Toyota Camry. Fortunately, *most* people get that. :-) Thanks for watching!
hmm... I think you may have too much car and need to challenge yourself more.
Let's update this to an STi hatchback. :D
Keep at it bro, have fun! I drive a Suzuki Ignis AllGrip and you should see their faces while I'm on the trail :))
Took my Outback on many black diamond Jeep trails, and it killed every one of them.
I've had a beefed up Wrangler AND a beefed up Outback, and I would take the Outback every single time over the Wrangler.
@downthepines rubicon Who's "her"?
I had driven quite a few cars on "back country" roads before I bought my 2013 Crosstrek. These days I still use it (stock), because it is featured the best for my need. Should it be rain, snow, dust, mud, it takes me where I need to. Our woodland tracks are narrow, so the size is perfect (the only reason why not a Forester). On our rocky roads its high ground clearance is a must. With decent tires its AWD gets out from quite incredible swamps. On the other hand it does the job on many-hundred mile snowy motorways - and it does it swiftly. And it still looks like new without much ado. A well built machine with modesty.
I appreciate performance cars, and the obsession to upgrade them (I am not free of it myself) but I could not imagine a better car for my lifestyle.
Thanks for the video. Done a great job. I think you've just hit the nail by the head.
My 4k foz cant rock crawl but a 50k jeep cant stay in its own lane with that loose steering.
Bro, you do you. Don't sweat what others think or say. Chances are, they are just sitting at home on the couch wishing they were doing what you're doing. I'm a new subscriber to your channel. Keep doing you, and we'll keep watching. I loved the video by the way.
I have a "true" 4x4 with low range and a rear locker. Know how many times ive used the locker? 0!! My truck isn't all that comfortable and really its the mpgs the keep me from getting out and exploring. So, i think the crossovers do good enough and jdz has me looking really closely at the passport. Love the videos!
Your Subie is doing absolutely fine for the places you are exploring. The AWD system on a Subie is in fact quite capable really. If you are rolling a Jeep, your channel will not be called "Soft" roading the west anymore! It'll be just another Jeep offroading channel. I drive a Mitsu RVR, I SoftRoad with it and I love your videos. Keep it up!!
@mattsoffroadrecovery
"I'm stuck at '34 '54 '65 N '54 '76 '31 E"
Matt- "what are you driving?"
"A baby blue Subaru van"
I just found your channel watching Primal-Outdoors channel. I can see already this is going to be a favorite channel to watch!
ooooohweee!!!! prove the haters wrong! ;)
Subis are an excellent choice and a great combo of capability and reliability that Jeeps don't give, "cool factor" and rock crawling aside. For the roads you described at the end, that are very manageable, you don't need a Jeep. Plus, your Subi got some of the badass flair with the tires and all :) great jog!
“It’s a Jeep thing, you wouldn’t understand...”
Oh you mean that shitty, condescending attitude towards absolutely every other 4x4 and SUV on Earth? Yeah, you’re right.... we most certainly do not understand 🙄
Viva Subies ! Jeeps have that ugly front grill that looks lie a pop-up toaster... ugly....
I used to own a TJ many years ago and the community back then was really cool. From what I can tell now, most new Jeep owners have this attitude. I'm willing to bet there is even a divide between the TJ/YJ vs. JK owners.
You are my Subaru hero and inspiration... Great video!
One day he will get a jeep and start another channel called... Hardroadingthewest
LOL...wouldn't hardroading be pavement? Actually that WOULD be a funny channel...build a kick@$$ lifted Jeep with all the expensive mods, and then make videos going from mall to mall, LOL.
Cinemtaic videos with shots of you going over speed bumps and pot holes, parking in the spot, splashing through puddles, and sitting in traffic.
@@TheActualCaveman Omigosh, that *would* be hilarious. I may have to do this.
The channel will be called "what was I thinking!?!"
The ride " EVERYWHERE " is what's important !! Subaru is comfortable, quiet, reliable, economical..
My 2014 Forester has done a fair amount of off highway / forest roads in the NW . Good A/T tires , skid plates, rock sliders , and basic recovery gear is all that's needed really .
Well really you should buy a Toyota... haha
Toyota is a minority partner in Subaru's parent company.
Red Planet them buy a *hilux* aha
@@vincentamerena7302 Just picked up a leftover 2019 Ridgeline. I would rather have a brand new Baja.
A family friend bought a new vehicle and the dealership offered him $100 tradein for his 07 Forester (to no one's surprise, it needs a new head gasket). So, he gave it to me. Got the title switched over today and now I'm sittin here watching your videos getting all kinds of Ideas. Keep it up!!
Great video. Subarus are pretty badass. All wheel drive and with the right tires, you can do alright. I have felt that true "4 wheeling" is more of a skill set--the machine is only the beginning. You have to know your machine, observe your surroundings, plan your path and execute with just the right combination of finesse and momentum. Well done sir! I look forward to seeing more of your videos!
I've been wrestling between getting a used Forester (had a 2015, traded it up for the Ascent which is now our family vehicle) or a Wrangler. Watching your videos and reading comments from this post have sold me on getting another Forester. Just subscribed and will be enjoying more of your content. Keep up the great work brother. Cheers from Southwest Virginia.
This would be my go-to video any time somebody ask me "why I bought a Subaru." Awesome work!
I enjoyed watching you go to the extreme in your Subaru Forester.
You are not the first or the only RUclipsr to use a Subaru for remote off grid camping.
The more I see the more I appreciate the durability of this little car/SUV/4X4.
Because of the compatible going in price, durability factor, decent load capacity, the nice towing capacity, good gas mileage, small foot print and projected lifespan. I am seriously considering making a Subaru Forester my next vehicle.
I have to say that I agree with you about the largest percentage of the roads are mostly semi improved gravel/ crushed stone.
I have a 2020 forester, my wife a 2016 outback and I wouldn’t trade either for any Jeep. As a native Oregonian who lives 3000 miles away I love these videos they bring back great memories.
That was so enjoyable, and the quality of your videography is outstanding!
The biggest thing that forester could benefit from is lockers. I'm a jeep guy (tj's) but always wanted a forester for long fly fishing road trips (more comfort and room). I'm not real big on the new body style but I will most likely be looking at getting an older Forester. I'm really digging the channel and I can't wait to see more content.
Torq Masters recently introduced a rear locker for Subaru diffs. I don't have one installed, but I've seen it in action. It makes a little noise in low speed tight turns but is quite effective on the trail. I've been surviving diagonal wheel spin situations thanks to the traction control system, but for older Subarus the locker makes a huge difference. And I'd still consider it for mine as well, you can see how much my car has to hesitate and think about it before getting the power distributed properly. In most cases I'm able to move on past the obstacle but in some situations, that hesitation is enough to keep me from going any further.
You don't need to apologize to nobody. I perfectly understand your passion. I drive a 2004 Volvo XC70. I call it the swiss knife of cars. Very versatile. It takes me to work daily. It carries my tools (I am a painter). I empty the tools, it takes me to church on Sunday. Road trips, back roads driving, soft off-roading, you've guessed: I take my Volvo. Because it's for life...
Keep doing what you are doing.
Loved overlanding in my Subaru in Japan. Even camped in it with a friend on a mountain during a typhoon. It was bone stock and the challenge of putting it through it’s paces was part of the fun.
We have a Forester XT and an 05 Baja turbo. Gets us where we want to go. Keep up the good work, man!!
Impressive off-roading skills! Your Forester is awesome! Haters are gonna hate...sadly. I love all your videos. Perfect music, video editing, camera work, down to earth adventures.
Thanks!
WELL...All I can say is "if that's not the greatest advert for Subaru's forester then I don't know what is" Take no notice of the nay sayers who have probably never done the softroad scene and just sit on their laptops criticising you guys. I had an 04 plate L322 Range rover which would do more and go further off the beaten track but what you accomplish in your rig is amazing. Keep doing what you're doing brother for many years to come. :-)
Love your subie! Would love to afforf even a great forester like yours, cheers from Mexico!! Seek adventure and keep exploring and sharing your videos
You have spoken not just for Subaru Crossover drivers, but for crossover drivers who actually take their vehicles off road. I am immeasurably grateful that you've made this video, and I liked it so much I'm going to pin it on my Twitter account.
Now I want someone out there to make a video for my uses, I take my Subaru XV Crosstrek crossover both off road and intend to take it to autocross and road course track days. I don't know if you can imagine the amount of hatred I get from both off-road communities and track day drivers alike.