Young Americans Very Open to Chinese Cars; Kia Sees Solid Sales with EV3 - Autoline Daily 3818
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0:00 Young Americans Very Open to Chinese Cars
1:15 EU Divided Over Chinese EV Tariffs
2:24 Ferrari Says EU Should Be More Pushy, Less Complacent
3:38 Kia Sees Solid Sales with EV3
5:28 Insurance Companies Total More Vehicles
6:39 VW Delays ID.7 in North America
7:39 AMG Mythos is Stunning Roadster
8:52 Jeep Wagoneer S Out Drags Tesla Model Y
9:43 Tesla Opens Battery Factory in Shanghai
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Young Americans Very Open to Chinese Cars: www.autopacific.com/autopacif...
EU Divided Over Chinese EV Tariffs: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
Ferrari Says EU Should Be More Pushy, Less Complacent: www.bloomberg.com/news/videos...
Kia EV3:
www.kianewscenter.com/news/al...
www.autonews.com/cars-concept...
Insurance Companies Total More Vehicles: www.bloomberg.com/opinion/art...
VW Delays ID.7 in North America: media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1800
VW Battery Production Capacity: www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...
AMG Mythos is Stunning Roadster: media.mercedes-benz.com/artic...
Jeep Wagoneer S Out Drags Tesla Model Y: media.stellantisnorthamerica....
Tesla Opens Battery Factory in Shanghai: autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energ...
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Politicians never care about any opinions of young Americans, not just the Chinese EV issue.
They care about voters
@@rp9674 Right, and most of the young don't vote for the world they want to live in.
Everyone seems to have time for social media, maybe voting should be there (the end of the world as we know it)
After the introduction of Chinese vehicles in Australia, the prices of both EV and ICE vehicle have dropped, and consumers are the beneficiaries of competition (including those people who have not bought Chinese vehicles).
@@rp9674they care about donors - they lie. to voters.
They scaling back while Chinese car makers are scaling up
Make them form joint ventures with GM/Ford/Stellantis.
Yes ask your self why😮😂
@@taylorc2542 Why would the Chinese do something like that? Ask yourself why GM/Ford/VW/Toyota etc were willing to form JVs AND sign tech transfer agreements to sell cars in China. Why would any company accept such terms? The answer is the Chinese market in the 80s and 90s was UNTAPPED, which means those JVs are guaranteed to print money for 20, 30 years at least. They are still printing money for VW, GM, and Toyota/Honda to this day.
Would BYD be guaranteed similar amounts of profit for several decades should they invest in a joint venture to sell cars in the US? Just look at what the US did to Huawei and you get your answer. Since there isn't going to be tens of billions of dollars of guaranteed profit, the Chinese carmakers will never seek to do JVs in the US. They can spend the next 15 years slowly squeezing western/japanese automakers out of the massive Chinese market one at a time (Chrylser/Renault/Mitsubishi already gone bust, Mazda/Subaru/Ford/Hyundai/Kia/Citroen on the brink, Honda/Nissan/GM/VW hanging on for dear life, and BMW/Merc/JLR/Porsche praying the Chinese won't retaliate too hard against any EU tariffs), take over EVERY non-US, non-western Europe market one by one (think Australia, SE Asia, Israel, Latin America, Central Asia, and eventually eastern Europe). That's plenty of stuff for them to do and come 2040, GM, Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, and Honda etc will all have shrunk down into regional automakers mostly sitting behind tariff walls in their own home markets.
@@davidford3073 Because USA carmakers have been dragging their feet for years while the Chinese have been working on EVs a long time.
Actually opposite. USA seeing billions in new factories being built while Chinas manufacturing economy is slowing.
KIA’s EV 3 looks pretty nice.
But can u afford one?? Or even if u can afford it.. can you get one?
@@Ahda108 They'll probably build in USA, get the tax credit, and beat the hell out of Volvo EX30 and Chevy Bolt.
@@jamesvandamme7786 unless Kia able to get their battery packs affordable for this model. Source straight from China or building it in states will likely determine the final prices for this car...if Brandon intend to keep it on par with pickup trucks then u know we are screwed
Of course, younger buyers are open to buying Chinese cars. They’re overwhelmed with inflation and high housing costs. They are perhaps the most price sensitive generation ever. Equally it makes perfect sense that over 60 does not want to buy Chinese cars because they understand the impact, it has to the overall economy and supply chain. Nobody needed an expensive survey to tell us that.
All their gadgets are Chinese.
I wonder how many of the over 60's surveyed own, or have owned, Japanese cars and if they harboured the same feelings when they were entering the US market?
@@turbokadett My wife's first car was a '72 Datsun and I bought a '74 Dodge Colt (Mitsubishi). Both were piles of crap with numerous mechanical problems and rusted to shit quickly. 47 years later, we bought another Japanese car, Mazda CX-5. Seems to have been some progress made in design, reliability, and performance.
The Koreans quickly overcame their (deserved) reputation for making crappy cars. Their EVs are better than Tesla in some respects.
There's plenty of Chinese crap, but there's also a lot of good Chinese products.
Those under 40 ought to understand the impact of outsourcing as well. Is easy to hate this country when your tenured professor tells you their version of "history". Once you get out, you realize wage is low, food is costly and housing is out of reach.
You then see those in China loves their country because they know the world is competitive. They suffered in the past, so they are racing to take our business so their future generation can enjoy the good life. They are competing for their future, not ours.
Then perhaps, shouting for our own demise is not such a hot idea.
LOL Ferrari said China will never be more than 10% of its market… Until it is. Does anyone recall Ferrari saying they will never make an SUV… Until they did
They lieing money always wins the day…..let Asain country start marketing and making Ferrari like cars…..hmmmm but less the price 😮😊
What an irresponsible comment the man from Ferrari made.
@@davidford3073 Well an Asian country did start making a Ferrari like car for a third of the price, which would be the legendary Honda NSX, who even recruited Ayrton Senna for some tuning help. Ferrari actually had to really up their game after the NSX showed up.
@@tren133 Yep pretty much all the exotics did!
I want a BYD seagull
That Zeeker looks great
The Wagoneer S is vaporware at the moment. So, let’s see a race between two actual cars
I imagine the Jeep Wagoneer S will have a short-lived 0-60 bragging rights when the refreshed Tesla Model Y Performance comes out! I am also guessing the Jeep will cost significantly more than the Model Y because OEM's cannot seem to build EV's at reasonable costs profitably!
This exactly!!! And I'd think the wagoneer would be more aligned with the model X anyway
I'm seeing an $80,000 price for the Jeep.The Model Y Performance is less than $60,000. Not counting a $7500 tax credit.
The 0-60 time are the shiny beads of the motoring world.
I'm 64, driving a Kia Stinger now. I would definately look closely at that swoopy BYD sedan if it was in the US.
I play Korean/Chinese/Indonesian Guitars and they compare to US Guitars very well. Big increase in quality in the past 5 years.
Apple is widely belived to make the highest quality consumer electronics, yet all their products are manufactured in China buy a Chinese company. So many Americans have cognitive dissonance when it comes to Chinese automobiles.
The Kia team for stinger was recruited from BMW.
Very similar if seen side by side.
Kia wins on looks imo.
The guitars should compare well as a lot of imported wood is used in the making of US guitars.
If you like swoopy BYDs, you should check out their brand new Denza Z9 wagon, whose top trim is packing 3 motors making over 900 hp!
The electric motor sounds should be for the driver, not the neighbors. Keep it inside the car.
Love the show!
I'm loving the EV3! If it'll be here later this year or early next year, hopefully it comes with a NACS port. That could be my first EV.
That ferrari CEO is delusional. No one will buy a fully electric Ferrari because it exudes emotion...get out of here.
Great show❤
6:52 - "NO ID7 FOR YOU...!!!" (best Wolfsburg accent) gotta admit, finally seeing it on the floor next to the ID4 at NYAS back in April (along with the ID Buzz) had me thinking it was about to arrive at dealers. alas, what a difference a "day" and the firing of 10%-15% of an EV workforce makes.
Cheap BYD BEV @ $12,000 will find many USA garages, but taxes would up that to double, the homeless might even buy them for apartments, beats sleeping over subway grates and on the streets.😅
😂
Especially when they self immolate.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 in the time it took to watch this short video? 3 ice cars burned DOWN just in the U.S. 😀
Team Adrian jealous of Chinese innovation!
Americans dont buy small compact cars in large numbers regardless of who makes them or the price. Americans would rather buy a $12k used Camry with 100k miles. The Chinese will dominate with $25k EV CUVs.
1. No Chinese car, any car, is certified to drive on American roads, so this 100% tariff is 0 x 100% = 0
2. Since no Chinese EV, hence no Chinese battery, hence nothing to tariff
3. Solar panel 50% tariff effective in “2026”, so it’s actually a stimuli to increase import now to stock up, lol.
Volvo, Polestar and Lotus are Chinese companies who export to the US market
@@bubuneowoo6161 No they are not.They are two Swedish companies and an English company that have a Chinese parent company. There are no Chinese brands, no home-grown Chinese brands that sell in the USA.
The tariff is for EV made in china, not Chinese brand EV
Congrats on the mini milestone of 120K subs!
I think the delays in EVs is to sandbag until the J3400 versions are ready to build. Even automakers don't want to be stuck with CCS ones. And if customers lease they will be stuck with them.
Surely Elon throwing a hissy fit when a woman dares to talk back at him, resulting in him rage firing the entire supercharger team at Tesla, would not at all affect whether all these carmakers will actually move over to NACS in the coming years...
@@tren133 It’s a done deal J3400 no longer belongs to Tesla, it’s the standard going forward with or without Tesla.
I say let the chines in ppl are tired of paying 70 80 100k for cars and trucks the OEMs dont deserve to be protected bc they cant compeate
Tavares - DONT PUT TARIFFS on Chinese cars and parts! I have already got a deal to sell them!!! Conflict of interest, eh Mr Tavares?
😂😂He will use leafmotor technology to produce locally in Europe.He can export to Asia and Latin America through the capacity of leafmotor in China.He can make a lot of profits!😂😂
It is hilarious because the German brands (VAG, Merc, BMW) were always treading a fine line on China tariffs since they are worried about retaliation. It is the French brands, Stellantis and Renault, who are essentially already squeezed out of the Chinese market, have nothing to lose, (and also are French), and therefore shouted the loudest for tariffs. And between the heads of Stellantis and Renault, it was always Tavares who has been outspoken against the "Chinese EV threat" for YEARS. And then literally within weeks of the EU finally doing their investigation on Chinese EV makers, Tavares was suddenly backtracking like mad. A few days later we learned why, when Stellantis announced their JV deal with Leapmotor.
Stellantis is already tooling a plant in Poland to build there 2 LeapMotors models. Though being built in Poland, LeapMotors' superior technology makes them more competitive than pure European cars
“We don’t sell technology, we sell emotion”. That thing you say when you don’t have technology.
People who buy their cars are not after a certain experience not the most advanced technology
@@kmav23 Yep most folks can careless about the actual tech or getting that extra bit of economy. They just want a car they look good in and feel good about buying, it's seldom a rational decision or else we would all be essentially driving a Prius or a station wagon.
GM and Ford should relaunch Saturn and Mercury respectively as EV only starter car brands to fight foreign affordable vehicles flooding in from Asia, Mexico and soon to be North Africa once Moroccan car plant expansions are finished...
You forgot the 1995-1999 Renault Sport Spider
5:16 why is the US last for these cars??
Because it will take time for KIA to properly line up suppliers (involved logistics) so that U.S. consumers can take full advantage of the $7,500 tax credit.
Short answer: Because oil company investors have basically owned the US for a hundred years, and everything that happens in the US has to contend with their wishes.
Lol Chinese evs would decimate the us car market.
Only because of price, and price is based on massive government subsidies in China. That is an unfair trade practice and to balance that the US and EU either need to similarly subsidize their auto companies, or implement tariffs on the Chinese autos to balance the field.
The world EV market now belongs to China. When Tesla spent billions to make their cars for less the Chinese lowered their prices. Again and again. This is spite of the fact that China was losing money at the start. China is literally buying market share. There is no point in serious EV investment until something changes.
That's the beauty of free market. consumers get the best offer
@@who2u333what are the stats on the US vs China subsidies? Both countries heavily subsidizes these industries, but what are the actual numbers?
@@ThatJPGamer Search "Keil Institute green subsidies BYD"
I'd consider one. I'm 75 . I do have some concerns about the early quality of some brands.
I have concerns about the quality of even long established brands, one that's 120 years old.
Legends don't last forever.
After having been financially shafted by prior generations, young buyers would be happy to afford any car at all, Chinese or otherwise. Future Chinese pre-fabricated housing will be a hit with them too.
The Wagoneer S does seem to be faster than the Model Y but it's not comparable because it cost almost twice as much.
That thing will have its hand full with the ev9, BMW ix&kneu klasse suvs, the merc eqs, Volvo ex90&ex60s.
Polestar 3 assuming they can survive? Tesla model X, rivian r1s and don't forget the about to drop early next year lucid gravity! 👍🏻😀
@@4literv6 The good news is if you want the Wagoneer S just wait 9 months and get a used one for half price.
@@4literv6 Polestar is an offshoot of Volvo. At worse, it gets rolled back into Volvo. But Polestar is in a good position right now. They just need to get their new products out to customers.
The current Chinese hybrid and EV vehicles are unbeatable on price with the features and build quality getting very good very quickly.
The Chinese nearly put all their eggs in one basket with the assumption the EV would be the future. But GWM have headed down the hybrid path and are reaping the benefits at the current time because of the surge in hybrid vehicle sales worldwide.
The amount of indigenous Chinese Automobile manufacturers is mind boggling with Chinese vehicle exports a concern for the US and Europe obviously. Australia is starting to reap the benefits as an import only vehicle market.
It's nice to have Sean taking centre stage over his father with a younger perspective always welcome.
😎🇦🇺
They make PHEVs as well. They're called new energy vehicles and they could be BEV or PHEVs. There are way too many auto brands in China.
I’m confused on the write off costs causing the increase in insurance rates. It is the insurance companies that push for the improved safety to lower the cost of human injury. Maybe the technology has gone too far, and instead we should look at better driver training courses, or creating cars that won’t work without a valid driver license and insurance.
Let me know if this does not fly. I have not verified it.
Think about medical insurance. It places so much overhead on medical care that cash prices can be less than co pays. The same is happening in the auto insurance world. Your car is totaled if its value is less than repair cost plus insurance company overhead. It costs less to total a car than to repair it. And they raise your rates because they would not repair the car.
They call ADAS to driver annoying devices, that destroy driving fun
@@danharold3087yours would be a reasonable explanation but only if insurance companies published data on how much they paid for medical treatments and for vehicle repairs in auto accidents.
But they keep that information secret and for a reason.
The insurance companies do push for any safety improvements to reduce injuries because historically that is where most payouts go. This is why younger drivers pay more even if they drive a $1000 $#!tbox - if they get into bad accident, medical bills over a few years could grow to hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions.
So we pay more for safer cars so the insurance companies can pay less for medical bills…
But they don’t want to pay for costly repairs either so they write the damaged cars off and use that as an excuse to increase the rates.
The reduction in medical bills should cause the rates to come down but that is not what we get. The savings from lower medical bills go into profits.
Consider this - the annual cost of claim processing (just paperwork, not claim payout) in 2001 was 3x the total paid out in all claims for 9/11.
The insurance industry profits for the years following 9/11 did not even register those payouts. But that did not stop the insurance companies from raising rates under the pretenses that they were impacted by 9/11 claims.
The same is happening with auto insurance- any excuse is good for justifying higher rates.
Improvements in safety never resulted in lower rates.
many illegals also don't have insurance and is not enforced passing the cost to everyone else
Autonomous cars will make ownership a thing of the dinosaur age, for most people.
When?
@@gritnltw , growth is happening at a ferocious pace. One hundred years of technology advancement now happens in two years.
Robotaxis will be introduced to the public on August 8, 2024.
The savings will be mind boggling. Imagine not having to buy and service a vehicle, unless you want to as a hobby. The numbers will be in the tens of thousands per person.
own nothing and be happy
Manny will want to own their own autonomous vehicle
France had Autolib'. The cars were abused, and the interiors were disgusting. A taxi has a driver to make sure people don't do stupid things. I believe in autonomous driving, but I'm not sure about the sharing.
Question: Does the 100% tariff apply to Chinese PHEV?
Could the Shark come in and gobble up the non-jumbo pickup sales?
Buying and owning probably, maybe not if I lived in a walkable area
Kia is hilarous claiming the ev3 will somehow drop on in cold turkey and roll to 70 or 80k in annual U.S. sales.
When that entire compact b class vehicle segment in the us without considering evs is just 800,00-1,200,000 for total annual sales! 😅
Kia has cultivated a reputation for innovation in the EV segment.
Everyone is saying that EV demand is contingent on price.
If they have a compelling model at an affordable price, what's the rub?
All they have to do is beat the Model 3 at its own game, or at least offer a viable alternative. Too much to ask?
3:39 - Hyundai Corp is going from strength to strength. just got back from ACT Expo Las Vegas seeing Hyundai's impressive Hydrogen Fuel Cell Semi not only on static display (but also on demo) and it boggles the mind to recognize not only do they make this but also Compact EV's, 3-Row EV's, Oil Platforms, Container Ships, Trailers, etc. they are truly the SK equivalent of Japan's Kawasaki Heavy Industries. right, so coming soon to a Power Sports Dealer near you: Hyundai Quads, Waterskis, and MOTORCYCLES. 😉
come on EV3 show me the NACS port
Just because a Chinese vehicle would or could be made here doesn't make it any less risky to purchase one
Anything smaller that the monster crap the big three are building
Bring it to the USA, Bring it!
New vehicles are #Unsustainable
Yes people are always looking for cheap alternatives. I remember people buying a lot of Eastern European cars when first imported until they saw how bad they were. Chinese cars would have to prove their reliability for a while before I purchased one. I waited until 1981 until I bought my first Japanese car. I will wait for at least a decade after they start importing them, until I consider them. So as old as I am I probably will never be in the market for a Chinese car.
start importing the byd dolphin car that cost 10k and millions of american s will be buying them.
They will never cost 10k after they meet our safety standards! Build them here, then sell them here! Keep the slave labor built ones in China! If you want one, move to China!
GM may yet sell a significant portion of the domestic EVs. Now with Ford, Nissan, and VW actually delaying plans, GM’s Ultium products are coming into production flow …… Whoda thunk …..
If they every decide to take a chance and scale production instead of slow walking.
@@danharold3087 It's been a battery supply problem. The good news is the Tennessee Ultium battery plant seems to be ramping up much quicker than the Ohio plant did.
They won't sell profitably.
Yes, they are positioned nicely to fill the void
@@danharold3087You haven't been paying attention. Get up to speed on current events before posting please
Legacy auto makers say people don't want sedans in this market. I say there is not enough profit to build them. They keep saying that people don't want small cars. Everyone I talk with would want a small car if available at a reasonable price.
The internet has brought the world closer, the politicians are just full of Bologna, as usual.
If you look at actual study 50 % younger Americans still said they wouldn’t consider and they also overwhelmingly said they would only consider Chinese brand if made in USA. Need to read survey.
Do they know the prices of chinese cars were to be produced in USA? If the respondants say that, they are pretty stupid.
@@linphilip6389 actually most American consumers pretty smart. That’s why China being replaced by Vietnam, Mexico and India for their imported goods and more and more goods produced in USA at low cost with highly automated factories. Labor costs of cars is less than 15% these days.
@@Gman99823 Dude, it is very easy to say but in reality impossible to do. China has the entire supply chain under its control from raw materials to factories and logistics including efficient infrastructure already built there. You really need to understand the practicality of moving everything from China to Vietnam or Indonesia or India like most westerners with limited understanding of how every process works. Elon Musk would have proclduced 99% of Tesla's cars elsewhere already if so easy to do.
@@Gman99823 Besides USA has such hostility towards pollution and AI that others find it very difficult to build factories let alone getting the costs as competitive as possible with high level of inflation. You need to get the facts sort of better before you repeat the stupid statements made by your brainless politicians who care less how the real world runs.
@@linphilip6389 that’s really not the case any more. Manufacturing has changed significantly over past several years to more regional approach. There is a reason why Mexico has surpassed China this past year as number 1 exporter to USA passing China like they are standing still. Vietnam has passed southern China in terms of technology exports to USA. Over $14 billion in iPhones made in India last year and ramping. Global supply chains responded very quickly to Covid lockdowns in China by putting manufacturing outside of China. China no longer has a lock on supply chains like they did a decade ago. I consult with many big manufacturing companies and see how they have pulled not only their own manufacturing out of China but many of their suppliers as well. It’s a brave new world and China is no longer at the center for western manufacturing companies. USA has a fast growing domestic auto manufacturing infrastructure. Kia just built huge EV factory in Georgia USA. Many of their suppliers in USA as well. Also remember only US made EVs get EV incentives from both federal and state programs amounting to as much as $10k usd off price tag.-
If Ford and GM want to divest from EV’s let us buy Chinese EV’s.
GM is full speed ahead!
Except US is not giving you a choice. Not democratic is it?
3:00 Porsche's Q1 sales in China drop 30% year-on-year, so I guess Ferrari soon won't need to worry about China sales anymore
Meh, that’s what I say to that vw7. Looks boring and awkwardly styled. Smells expensive too with whatever vw has cobbled together for in vehicle ux. I like wagons for my cars, and this doesn’t speak to me.
Too many 4 door sedans than 2 door cars for Single people... I would not buy one! You paying for 2 doors you are not using and a larger vehicle too..
Check out MG cyberster.
someone said a car for 10k?
Damn finally cheap evs? Of course I would consider buying one lord
Chinese cars are like Japanese cars & Korean cars before them. It’s good to have them put pressure on the US, European, Japanese & Korean legacies to get better.
Sharing is caring and USA doesn't share or care much
Kia rims are so well designed
Pretty idiotic for any company/corporation to ever even consider being in the Chinese market
What about Chinese made GM and FORD models duty?
As long as they aren't electric, the normal tariff only applies.
Make them form joint ventures and build BYD/Nio in GM/Ford factories and serviced at those dealers.
I will only buy a Chinese brand car if it is built in The USA.
People who pay for YT premium should not have to see the embedded ads. Total bs.
They're embedded.
What do you suggest?
The embedded ads are from the content maker, not RUclips. Im sure Autoline Network would gladly release their videos with out ads on patreon if enough people request it.
@@conchobar why don't they do it proactively? And set up patron first.
I suggest either the channel not accept a sponsor or YT needs to develop an algorithm that filters it from premium subscribers.
Doesn’t matter. Either Autoline should stop or YT should develop a filter for premium subscribers. Total bs
A civilized Kia Soul, that is the EV3.
The politicians are very old people go sit down and let new young people do there thing it will happen just watch
Mega pack in China means cheaters battery storage cheaper overall price for the mega pack .
lol data privacy, Tesla collects information for their AI self driving, among other things...haven't Snowden showed that any collected information is possible. Unless you're that concern about your gossip conversation, farting, road rage ranting, or making out. I dont' think most of us really have that much of anything important for any corporation to collect and sold to highest bidder.
Of course people would buy Chinese cars, just like they do every other Chinese product. The issue is we've seen how this plays out over and over again as the local industrial base dies because it can't compete with Chinese workers paid a tenth of what a local worker is paid. A normal country, as it becomes economically successful and technologically advanced pays its workers more. Chinese leadership has very intentionally avoided doing that to maintain this cost advantage. Ergo everyone with industries to protect will tarif them.
China government does not control private companies wages. Automation has kept wages low.
@@bubuneowoo6161 Yes it does. It's literally illegal to try and form a union or collectivize, the punishments are actually very harsh. It's illegal to go on strike. It's also illegal to move without approval, so there is no worker mobility. You can't quit and move to another province for work without your standard of living being badly hurt. That means that workers have far fewer options when picking a job and companies aren't forced to compete for them. Overtime laws are also rarely enforced, so workers are often forced to work extra hours without compensation, as is currently happening at BYD.
The entire system is designed to suppress worker pay and organization.
How is the Wagoner a competitor for the Tesla Model Y when the Model Y is half the price?
Have you looked at the price of American cars lately? I'll buy whoever built better and is more affordable and currently that's the Chinese
Of course you will
Typical short sighted, clueless consumerism. You should pay attention to where your $$s go and what they support. In this case, the Chinese Communist Party and the people THEY support.. IE North Korea's murderous regime.. Russia's murderous regime.. not to mention, their own murderous regime against many of their own citizens. Yeah.. every dollar you spend going to Chinese companies.. supports these murdering, oppressive, tyrannical regimes. But hey! You saved a couple grand! woooo.. right? right?? I mean.. are you intentionally ignorant of the horrors perpetrated in this world by China? Ambivalent? Or just stupid? Looking forward to sending your kid to go fight them when the time comes? And don't kid yourself.. every moment we let Russia get away with the crap they're pulling now.. emboldens China to start their war with Taiwan.. and yeah.. we're going to be there defending them. Count on it. OUR sons and daughters are going to be dying on the end of weapons that part of every dollar we spend on Chinese products, will be producing. Where you spend your money, has serious consequences. Ignore them at your own peril.
@@brotherdaveseattle2791 Capitalism rewards performance, not mediocrity
@@Peizxcv they are very competitive on slave labor
@@JD-yx7be Maybe it’s time to take your incel comment to another website that’s not RUclips
There's no way to have fair trade with China without tariffs, we can't reconcile the low wages
We need to fix that on the American side because we can't afford our own cars. Housing, college costs, extreme profit health care (if you have it at all), etc. We can't blame China.
When will people realize if you keep sending money overseas, not only will the jobs go away, inflation will only get worse.
It's about a level playing field
The US tax payer has a choice: Subsidize the US auto industry like the Chinese do it with theirs
That's costly
Apply tariffs
That actually brings in money
But where would those Chinese cars be serviced when they break, and they will break? It would take decades for one of those makes to create a service center or dealership network across the country. It seems like the younger generations doesn't think enough before they buy.
They can put most resources on building service centers if they decide to enter the market? Seems to me that you are the one who didn’t think it through
Younger generations will just treat it like another cheaply priced disposable product, junk it when it bricks and get another
Did you hear about the Fisker Ocean needing to be scrapped because of the door hingepart unavailable? Or Hyundai/Kia battery replacement costing more than the car?,and American cars and trucks being scrapped as noted in this channel just now?
Americans and Canadians laughed when Kia and Hyundai first came stateside, I think Hyundai & Kia are #3 or #4 in world production today ?
I own a LDV in Nz. Jas
What’s funny is most Chinese don’t realize USA and western manufacturers have been investing billions in ramping up manufacturing in USA. Even Chinese companies are building plants in USA now! Every major manufacturer has been expanding in USA. Heck Hyundai has invested $5.5 billion in new U.S. factories. We haven’t seen manufacturing expansion like this ever in USA. Factories popping up everywhere in USA. Reminds me of China back in early 2000’s. Cranes and construction everywhere in USA.
Seeing similar manufacturing boom in Mexico as well! Mexico has surpassed China as number one exporter to USA this past year. Vietnam has grown as a huge importer to USA as well. Vietnam surpassed $100 billion in exports to USA this past year.
Chinas Communist party BS anti west politics backfiring big time. Feel sorry for people in China.
I was waiting to get a VW ID7. The delay is just infuriating. VE please bring back sedans and wagons in North America please. SUVs are total shit!
Why settle for a VW? Just get a vastly superior Tesla.
@@richardfolden3860 LOL if I wanted a car with the build quality of a 1991 Hyundai I'd buy a Tesla. I'll pass.
@@marcou1750 lol, tell me you deep throat main stream media without telling me you deep throat main stream media. 👍🏾
That’s great Jeep. But you do know the new Model Y is just around the corner, right?
Also, unlike the Jeep, the Model Y exists.
Why would anyone buy the KIA EV3 versus the Tesla model Y Long Range (AWD dual motor) which has more range, more HP, and more interior space? Oh and qualifies for the $7,500 off bringing it way below the EV3 trim level that is anywhere near comparable to that model Y?
Come on KIA! You can do better.
it's over $10k cheaper
@@JD-yx7be It's only cheaper if you don't go with the large battery and trim level that gets you the features closest to what the model Y has as standard. According to Car and Driver the EV3 will go up to about $42,000 in price and that is the level where the features are as close to the model Y as possible.
The model Y AWD long range (with the U.S. $7500 discount) is under $41,000. So comparing apples to apples the price for similar features is about the same.... however I grant you that you can get the small battery and low trim level on the KIA and get it around $10K cheaper.
The KIA is smaller but yet gets about the same EPA mileage (estimated at 310 miles given EPA is about 20% less than WLTP) as the model Y even with the largest 84 KWhr battery KIA offers. However the charging speed on the EV3 is around 175KW/hr where the model Y is up to 250KW/hr. So it will probably take several minutes longer to charge to a similar level.
The KIA also has a 7.5 sec 0 to 60 mph time (even at the highest rim level) while the Tesla is much faster 4.8 sec. The Tesla also has much more cargo space and can tow more.
Oh and if you are in the U.S., and qualify credit wise, the model Y has special 0.99% financing until the end of this month. Almost free money!
@@JD-yx7benot with the IRA and dealer mark-up.
Labor unions will destroy legacy automakers
Im open to Chinese EVs because frankly, all legacy brands make cheap unreliable throwaway appliances that dont last long but cost an arm and leg.
I bet a Chinese car will do the same but at a far lower price. Dont have the time to use my money to grand stand on poltical ideologies.
The automakers we do have are jokes and need to be taken down a notch.
If all cars are throwaway appliances why bother getting the more expensive model?
There is a big difference between Chinese made and Chinese. Make the distinction please. You seem to use them interchangeably. A Ford Nautilus is Chinese made. A Volvo S90 is Chinese made. However, Ford designed and engineered the Nautilus mostly in the USA and Volvo designed and engineered the S90 almost entirely in Sweden. A Chinese car is a Chinese company that does that work in China, or at least the engineering as some of their cars are designed in other countries (like NIO is designed in Germany). Then there are cars like Smarts which have some Geely engineering but are designed by Mercedes, and Zeekr which are being called Chinese but are actually designed in Sweden with a good amount of Swedish engineers on the project as well.
A true Chinese car is a BYD, Great Wall, or something like that. And I don't know if the average American even knows much about them.
American consumers are interested in cheap BYD Seagull, leafmotor and xiaomi su7. By the way, smart, Volvo and polestar are European brands, but zeekr is a Chinese brand with the participation of Swedish engineers.
It seems you have not been to China. BTW, all global manufacturers have huge tech centers in China, to build top quality products, but develop them in 1/2 of the time due to more AI in these centers and Chinese engineers working double hours compared to western peers
I see you have a chip on your shoulder. If China signs the checks, approves the designs, it's a Chinese company. Apple employs an army of Chinese engineers. Does that make it a Chinese company? No! Stop being pathetic! Did Chinese fire you at Volvo? Let it go!
@@hi4806 Zeekr is now Swedish based. The former CEVT, located in Sweden, is now Zeekr Technology. I would say Zeekr is a joint venture between China and Sweden but more designed for the Chinese market where Volvo and Polestar are designed for the European/international markets.
@@FrancescMuro Youre right. But I don't think Ford is not utilizing this. Volvo for sure is not getting their products out as fast as say BYD or even Geely brand products. Volvo's EX90 is delayed over 2 years due to Volvo writing their own software and using their own specifications and that applies to the Polestar 3 which uses a lot of the same software and components as the Volvo.
I'm just asking Autoline to distinguish Chinese made from Chinese as a lot of Western products are made in China. And a few cars, for now, are as well. Tesla builds a lot of cars in China but most of the Chinese made ones are not sold in the USA.
No Entry! Return to Sender!!!
Stop lying in these videos there is no EV demand slow down EV sales are on all time highs you have to stop listening to these major OEM’s who are saying this it’s not true they are just lying to their share holders so their stock value doesn’t plunge
Slow down in the INCRESE of EV demand - get it right
Stellantis CEO = so naïve. So dumb!
If traditional automakers are really worrying about competing with Chinese brands, they should test and learn from markets where they already compete for example in Mexico. There is already a swarm of Chinese brands flooding the market and traditional brands are struggling to compete because of the price and packages Chinese vehicles come with. Chinese brands are still seeing as low quality and the struggle for spare parts is real. They are also packed with tons of software bugs on the infotainment and powertrain.
Save the whales buy a Tesla and put Exxon out of business
I'm over 60 and would gladly buy a cheaper Chinese car. Thanks to Union Joe though, it's not going to happen, same goes
for Trump too.
Chinese quality is an oxymoron. A quick search of Chinese news shows a recent slew of EV fires. Add in the fact that they are demolishing brand new building due to unsafe construction practices, and it just raises concerns over safety. Secondly, every one of us has bought some Chinese made products that have fallen apart. Heck, I bought some LED 6 panel bulbs for the garage a few months ago and 3 out of 5 have already failed.
Iastly, we should remember China has minimal regulations, and I doubt that Chinese cars would pass crash test standards.
they pass EU crash standards which are harder in some areas than the u.s standards
China doesn't have one standard of quality. If you buy a "cheap" Chinese product you likely get a low-quality product. But Chinese quality can be as good as any quality when you spend more money.
And if you look at crash tests, the same sized vehicles from China are doing as well in crash tests as cars from Japan, Korea, Europe and the USA.
Chynese cars = mobile crematoriums
it seems to me that Tesla is very poor at developing new vehicles. Everyone including BMW, Mercedes, KIA turn around new vehicles at a remarkable pace.
Tesla saves money by not redesigning cars. Most legacy automakers use the same parts in new models.
Old school vs new school.
Old school:
- Introduce a model year, usually for an extra cup holder and such.
- Not much after-sale enhancement work, so products only get worse with time.
- Refreshes mainly serving as a vehicle to obsolete the prior vehicles.
vs
New School:
- Silently updating the product weekly or even daily (ie Agile manufacturing method).
- Keeping the products up to date through software, making them actually better products with time.
- Reserving a major model refresh for the actual big changes.
Just different philosophies that reflect corporate culture differences:
Mechanical age/dealership driven culture vs Digital age/direct sales culture.
babysmurf9000 just fired the new product team! CyberBust customers abandoning their vehicles at the forced arbitration centers!
@@AllanSustainabilityFan The problem with the new school is getting parts for a car that was only in production for a few months. My 95 f150 shares many parts with the 1980-1997 f series, bronco and several smaller parts from crown vics, mustangs, Lincolns, etc. Millions and millions of vehicles that have interchangeable parts.
@@JD-yx7be Tesla's approach to design has been pretty good with unified parts, many of them are not only interchangeable across model revisions, but even across multiple models.
An update does not necessarily mean a break in inter-operability, mostly it means an existing design got improved.
Thus when someone with an older vehicle goes in for a service, they can often also benefit from an improved part, it's not some stagnant piece with old faults or inefficiencies.
re: "Young Americans Very Open to Chinese Cars..." correct, this goes some way at explaining why society (as a general rule) DOESN'T put kids in leadership and decision making positions. ie, as you've now heard me say 1000 times, they're "baby young to the world" and unfortunately lack the necessary life experience to know what it is that they're doing. "immaturity" in youth has been a problem for centuries, so not only have we "seen this movie" but at one point we've even "starred in it".
This is just an imperialist take, kids don't care to support government's funneling of their taxpayer dollars to enrich an arms industry through promotion of antagonistic proxies, wars and conflict.
This extends toward them not having a hostile view of others as a guiding principle.
society shouldn't put geriatrics in power also. Was the 20 year wars we lost great leadership?
Okay, boomer. I guess you got yours, so screw the younger gens.
What an absurd take.
@@lukerinderknecht2982 Absolutely not. Old geezers wanting to hang on to power until their last breath. Screw younger gens trying to buy a house by supporting policies to keep prices artificially high. And now, they want to stop lower priced cars from coming in, while they were able to buy decent cars for $20,000 or less most of their lives. There is a reason boomers are so widely despised.
Those Chinese cars have way better interiors and price. And great choice and new ones popping up every year. Their gimmicks are clever. More worried about american companies spying then china
chinese cars just all look the same and most of them have a name that americans would hate to try to pronounce. “what kind of car do you drive?” “i drive an aiways.” “you drive always? you drive on airways??”
What's your experience with them. Where did you test drive them or ride in them?
@@benjaminsmith2287 i have seen them with my eyes is all the experience i need
Same xenophobic comments were made when the Japanese entered the US market. You're just another example of history repeating its self.
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, Kia sounded just as stupid when they were introduced.
@@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane that’s a good point
Young Americans PLEASE they are so uninformed.