I still believe many Americans do not understand how far Chinese build quality and sophistication has come. These same people would be shocked how much made in China parts are inside GM and Ford vehicles sold here.
That's true for everything Chinese. They still have a backwards image of the nation despite it being leap years ahead of anywhere else in the world when it comes to EV's, High Speed Rail, Humanoid Robots, Digital banking, etc.
Americans seem to forget that virtually 100% of the electronic products sold in the USA these days have been made in China, such as cell phones, laptop computers, PCs, televisions, and radios.
Made in China using American designs and technology. While American companies chase cheap labor and limited regulation. Apple products are made in China. Does anyone think they were invented or designed there?
Hi from México, I've just bought a BYD Song plus Hybrid PHEV SUV. And it is very impressive. Excellent build quality and materials. 60 miles on electric power, 600 miles combined. Top quality product for $38,000 usd. Former BMW, MERCEDES ,AUDI owner
A recent study by US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ found that hybrid cars had the worst fire record, while EVs were the least likely type of car to catch fire. Hybrid cars had 3474.5 fires per 100,000 sale; petrol cars had 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales and EVs had just 25.1 fires per 100,000
In Thailand. I use a BYD Dolphin, the car costs 17,000 dollars, good quality, full technology. I drive about 100 kilometers a day, and use about 40 dollars for electricity per month. Compared to a Toyota Camry, I have to pay 470 dollars per month for gas. It's a big difference.
I saw a video about an Australian official talking about EV, he says its good for EU and the US to use some tariff to protect there own industry, but we Australian dont have a auto industry, so why we just enjoy cheaper cars.
After I drove Chinese EVs, I don’t have desire to drive any other EVs anymore. They are just that good. And finally consumers will not be cheated and fooled by the superficially high price tags on American and European cars. As. Consumer I feel my right of buying a more affordable and more advanced EVs made in China has taken away by our government. This is a violation of human right and principle of free market economy which should be driven by consumers not by government control.
Zeekr owner here, the zeekr in the video, the frunk need a forceful smacking to close the lid properly. It is not a panel gap thing, they are produced from the same production line as Volvo and polestar, because they are based on the same SEA platform. It is a negative side effect to make the front lid extra light and soft for pedestrian protections. Believe me, the first time I try to close the lid, I thought there is something wrong with the front locking mechanism.
You just have to close it as every Tesla owner closes theirs. Soft and with much tlc for your car. At the very last press down left and right of the middle of the hood with your left and right hand palm without any oil on it - better use soft gloves or microfibre cloth - until you hear the soft "click" that signals the successful operation of closing a soft aluminum bonnet. Smack it down at your own peril.
You know what is scary ? These are not even the top ones or best selling one. These 3 are considered “not so good sales” relatively. BYD song , Zeekr 007, Huawei Aito m7/m9, Xiaomi Su 7, BYD Yang Wang U8, NIO cars with their battery swap technology and some other cars which I can’t remember right now . . .
BYD's "Fang Cheng Bao 方程豹" (translation: Formula Leopard) series SUVs is very hot in China right now. Their Bao-5 is selling very good probably better than the Zeekr Tanks right now. Also a Bao-3 is coming out. And they have a concept Bao-9 supercar showing in the Greater Bay Area Auto Show in Shenzhen right now.
Had Atto3 over a year, not a single issue, saved me $4000 on fuel, very comfortable and smart. Got a seal performance, man, this car just amazing, better then any BMW and Mercedes I ever drove with a fraction of their price, 570HP 670Nm the 4 wheels control kicks in 10-20ms and never let you loose any grip of the road. The HUD is the only one I can see with polarise sunglass during bright day, no wind noise on high speed, seat heated and ventilated in 2 levels, steering wheel and mirror all heated. Seat auto slide, two wireless charger and fast wire charger, and more.
im german 50 and living in a major city at brazil. my whole life i've only driven german autos. after driving and buying a chinese EV car... i will only drive and buy chinese autos for the rest of my life - honest!
Thank you for your honesty. Nowadays German auto makers should work more closely with Chinese counterparts as they are already embracing partnership strategies.
@@chl4655you know that's not gonna happen. But know this, safety is number two in China branded cars. Plenty of videos online of people trapped and burned alive in their cars in China
While Americans are still fighting culture wars and demonizing each other, the Chinese have lead and innovated in EVs and battery technology. It’s only a matter of time.
Ive been driving a Xpeng P5 for almost 3 years now. It's a no nonsense, not a lot of fancy tech, gets the job done EV. 210hp, camry sized sedan, ample leg room, and drives very well. Legacy auto has a lot of catching up to do.
Many people still think that electric vehicles and fuel vehicles are just the difference between gasoline and electricity, and do not realize that this is a shift from four wheels to artificial intelligence.
Not profit, but making it cheaper for consumers. But also, Tesla invented the central screen with no buttons because they wanted to have OTA updates that would push new features. You can't do that if buttons are connected to a feature - what if you want to redesign or remove the features? It's like old cars that still have CD players.
@@juliahello6673 Nope. Elon wanted a tablet because he didn’t want to invest in buttons that would require esd testing. When in doubt, assume that Elon does things for cost. Never for customer sat.
@@bobbbobb4663 My guess is that you assume a lot instead of trying to find real answers. And your assumptions are based on simple emotion-based beliefs like "billionaires are baaaaaaaad".
These are all coming here to Brazil ,less Tesla unfortunately. Keep in mind, that China is a much larger trade partner with Brazil than US. BYD & GWM have Brazilian factories that are coming online. In response, the legacy automakers (with some exceptions like Honda) have begun dropping prices & improving option packages. Plug-in hybrids are quite popular due to lack of charging infrastructure. But it is just a matter of time. The thing that is holding back the entire takeover is that lack of fast charging infrastructure. When that gets resolved in Brazil, it’s lights out for legacy auto.
Question for you, What GASOLINE or formulation does Brazil use there , as to my knowledge Brazil has Ethanol mix or is it pure Ethanol , I ask because M85 has been known to damage gaskets corrossion and such, Chinese Hybrids would have different adaptations of ICE?
Brazil is like Canada highly urbanized so the need for large inter-city charging is MUCH MUCH less than the USA or Europe... We are both linear nations that basically exist as long rail/road corridors... Here in Canada both Tesla and Petro-Canada built nation-wide rapid charging networks by openly opening about 2 dozen stations nation wide and it covers about 95% where people in the nation actually live. For those random routes off grid into the wild, hybrid's are wildly popular here for this very reason and why I think PHEV's will do well for a while unless governments dole out the cash to subsidize more "unprofitable" but much needed remote locations...
@@stickynorththe byd hybrid with 2000 km range on a 65 litre gas tank will really put to bed range anxiety issues. Also with a 100 km battery range If I charged every day my gas would go bad.
And he didn't even include the BYD Song L or the Nio ES6 which are even more luxurious on the inside. Legacy would be screwed if these cars were built in Mexico and shipped to the US!
China made? Tesla is an American company that developed its own designs, technology and manufacturing methods. China supplied the labor. Not exactly China made. Look at the American F-35 fighter jet and compare it to the Chinese version. Just a coincidence that they look so much alike? Not to mention this Autoline review appears very superficial with no mention of long term dependability. I have to laugh every time I hear a reviewer talk about acceleration from a standing start. Do most people really care about that issue when buying a car?
@@gregohare2406Tesla owner here, owned model Y Shanghai made and Texas made, the China made version if better in building quality and battery life. As for F-35 and J-35(JF-31), J-35 has twin engines.
I just can't wait for these cars coming to the U.S. Despite of heavy tariff they will face, it will still shock American market for sure. Proud of Made in China Products! Change your old view and accept good and new ideas from other world, people!
And 83% in the ADAS section. Not bad. All my company cars must surpass at least 90% in ADAS, have the best safety in its class, the best efficiency in its class, less than 100km to the next major service station, more than 350 km range in high winter with snow on the roads, fully remote controllable and unstealable. When and if Zeekr meets those criteria i will for sure look again.
@@davidmenasco5743 I think Mercedes ADAS is L3 but limited to Hiway speeds of 40 Mph or around 62 Kph, not sure if the German Autobahn has such LOW speed limits unless it is bad traffic and is foggy.
@@davidmenasco5743 Funny that you ask. Tesla Model Y, Model S, 3 and X have never been tested but use the same Hard- and Software, Nio ET7, GWM Ora Cat, Nissan Ariya barely in winter), Wey Coffee, BMW X1 Lexus NX (barely), Subaru and Toyota EVs do not have the range. And frankly the others are just plain too slow or have buttons in the interior. Yikes. Just below the minimums are Smart #3, Mercedes EQE, Kia EV9, Nio ET5 The GWM, Nio and Wey are not available in Austria.
The Chinese recently safely landed on the dark side of the moon, the probe did not fall over and its rover functioned perfectly keep this in mind when you are contemplating western technical superiority 🤔
@@hcwcars1China kept investing jet and fighter engines for 30 years, they got nothing on the first 25 years. Now the new WS-15 engine just equipped J-20 stealth fighter and it has more thrust than the F-119 engine on F-22
@@hcwcars1 Oh, don’t cry when China makes a jet engine for plane by themselves. Western jet engines will lose all market share once China has their best jets engines on the market. China not making jet engines doesn’t mean that China cannot make jet engines. China just wants to be nice and give some rooms for western jet engines companies to make a living.
@hcwcars1, China does not make a jet engine for a plane...YET! Nonetheless, that does not negate the fact that they have just completed a lunar landing in the past days. Also, China are on par to overtake Boeing and Airbus in the not so distant future...Their ship building industry is biggest and much bigger than the US. Europe tried to block China's progress by not selling them parts, yet China's home built cruise ship just completed a maiden voyage. China cannot be contained!
@@hcwcars1 You are never more incorrect and wrong. Go ang google "Yangtse CJ1000 and CJ2000 high by-pass jet engine" - being developed for long range, fuel efficient flight in commercial passenger planes. These are not the same engines as the WS15 engines with vectoring and cruise after burners that have been developed for military jets. All of these are indigenously designed and produced in China for their own internal use.
Absolutely correct. US still using stage coach with armed guard to transport passengers, and use the Phoney Express to transmit news from one state to another. The cowboy era of Billy the Kid and Django are seen everywhere exported abroad. Those who block path are blasted and rendered ineffective boom. 19the century Monroe Doctrine is still much alive of US policy and political leaders. US still diesel locomotive stage while China and the world advance electric and solar powered.
The root of the problem is that auto workers and their families are a big voting base in the election, and no one dares to offend them. Therefore, Americans will not be able to drive high-quality and low-cost Chinese cars in the next few decades.
The real differentiator for the XPeng G6 is the charging speed, range, energy efficiency, rear room, the material quality, the voice assistant and the ADAS. Those are what really make the price difference all the more glaring.
The price of BMW i3 in China starts from less than $30,000, while the actual price of Mercedes-Benz EQE and EQE suv in China starts from $45,000, which is equivalent to a 60% discount, and the sales volume is still very poor.
@serriajohn The M9 is not a vehicle. It is the Mi9 which is a cellphone. So what are you talking about? The SU7 is an EV, the Mi9(M9 as you call it) is a smart phone. Please do your research and then tell me why the Xiaomi SU 7 is for young girls. I hope you are not an internet troll but rather someone who made an honest mistake in seeing and reading this stuff on RUclips.
The Avatar car is known for its smart features, which is also why they are with a higher price. Unfortunately, the smart features were not tested in this video.
Stop saying Chinese EVs copied from Tesla. That is completely false statement. Chinese EVs are more affordable and much more advanced than any other EVs in the market. Chinese companies are not profit driven but consumer oriented that to ensure the affordability is the objective for all Chinese EVs. That should be a good thing for all consumers around the world. These American testers are speechless by the high quality, affordability and advancement of Chinese Evs. But they cannot help but still talk with sour grape tones and trying to pick bones out of eggs. Basically they feel the time for American companies cheating and fooling consumers with artificially high price tag will be threatened by more affordable and more advanced EVs made in China.
You must be joking, right? Look at the body of their “direct competitor”. It’s almost a copy of TESLA. China didn’t even have the technology that Tesla invented. look at their inside design,. Large center position screen look familiar to you? And what about profits, $3000 less expensive, and made in China, how is that’s not profit driven? You must be from China 🤦🏻
Well they absolutely milked Tesla for everything they could. That is so obvious. Musk made it easy when he marveled at how quickly he could build Gigafactories in China. China is doing what they have done to all of the leading Western companies that have been induced to establish factories there. They are just much more highly motivated. Tesla blazed a trail and BYD and others are overtaking Tesla. Ford and Chevrolet sat on their hands. Tariffs will not really be a help unless we have some sort of industrial policies which democracies are not well-equipped to execute on.
They didn't think of gigacasting, minimalist interior with big screen, structural battery by themselves. I have nothing against copying, and the Detroit automakers can't even do that, but nobody can say that the Chinese aren't copying from Tesla. I predict that the Chinese will be innovating within the next ten years and Tesla and everyone else will be copying from them too. The best path to better EVs is to have everyone innovating and everyone copying.
@@peterwilliams7335 Communist authoritarian countries don’t have to worry about profits and cheap labor. Their businesses are heavily subsidized by the government and seeded by industrial espionage.
As a XPeng G9 owner in China. The video showed me that Americans are behind in cars not in technology but in thinking. They don't comment on the smart cockpit design of the car, only the driving experience. It's like holding a smartphone and only evaluating the signal strength and call volume. BTW, if I'm thinking correctly, the XPeng G6 and Avatrr 12 should be in comfort mode not sport mode.
So rather than compete on quality, performance, and features, the US auto industry will hide behind a 100% tariff paywall. In the meantime, the US EV customers will have to suffer sub-standard vehicles, and US automakers won't innovate or improve the vehicles, because they don't have too due to a protected market. The only winners here are the US automakers.
They've been doing that for decades with the 25 year import rule that stops people grey-importing cars that aren't sold in the USA unless they're more than 25 years old . In the UK I can import almost any vehicle I want as long as I can convert the speedo to mph.
European and Chinese safety regulations are harmonized and include pedestrian impact testing. US regulations require minimum damage to the bumper in low-speed impacts, but do not test for pedestrians. Chinese vehicles will likely need minor modifications to the bumpers, as do many current European cars. There are also some features like adaptive headlights, camera-based mirrors, etc. that are not yet allowed in the US.
John hit the jackpot when he partnered with Caresoft. These vids lately are more interesting than Munroe. I feel like it's the Monday Night wars all over again!
Not sure how Caresoft makes their money as one off buying & importation / shipping of these cars isn't cheap, not sure if Caresoft will do mechanical dissection of these cars and who will buy, FYI there are 300+ Chinese auto Companies , some are struggling,maybe they do buy some reports of the competition🤔.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8giautomakers and parts suppliers probably do contract with them for whatever they find from these Chinese EV'S, where as Munro is becoming as marketing gimmick as JD Powers.
I own a BYD EV (resident of Brazil). Well built and sophisticated car, far ahead of any ICE car in its price range. I am charging at home, zero problems with range. It all depends of course on your day to day routine.
China can subsidize their industries a lot to make the cars cheaper and labor costs are low. What the tarriffs are doing are protecting our own manufacturing industry and passing more bills to help enourage more industry and manufacturing to come back to America, especially in light of the supply chain problems we had with Covid.
US auto manufacturers used government subsidies to buy back shares to benefit the executives & shareholders instead of using them to improve efficiency & innovations.
GM did a huge buyback of its stock so CEO Barra can make money on the stories she’s spun and walk away with a crippled GM all set up to beg for Fed handouts to maintain Union jobs.
fun story: my (american) boyfriend insisted on renting a chevy car in mexico (vs. kia et al korean makers' car) cuz he is american and he wants to drive an "american" car. A few months later i read a book about china auto industry supply chain and found out that a decent amount of chevy in mexico are manufactured by wuling, which is a JV co-owned by wuling, Saic and GM. Some of the models are just label change from wuling's car in China. The one we rented was among those label change models that was manufactured in guangxi, china. That car is basically Chinese IMO🤣
I think next time you guys should test out the tech packages like voice commands, self-driving functions of the cars, then tell me what you think, etc.
Didn't you get the memo? We're all supposed to be tribal now. Pick a side: a) Crazed gun nut, YOLO anti-EV Hellcat owner. b) Alarmist, Greta-hugging climate delusionist
I like that, "they are told". If most Americans actually put their butts in the seat of an EV and drive it, they would be interested. Too many Americans just listen to the talking heads of their tribe.
~80% of Americans have never ridden in an EV, let alone driven one. Many still think "golf cart". A well integrated EV powertrain can make even a mundane grocery getter feel like a Mercedes, thanks to the combination of instant torque and quiet operation. The oil & gas industry, combined with legacy auto makers who don't want to change too quickly help spread negative information on siloed media outlets (and truthfully, there are still downsides - like the grid isn't necessarily ready for mass adoption and next gen battery chemistry still needs to be adopted to make people feel safe - albeit much of the risk is way overblown) .
@@johnbannister9212 Each country has its own national standard, ANSI in the United States, BS in the United Kingdom, GB in China, and any manufacturer needs to follow the local national standard
Was traveling China for a few weeks earlier this year, aside from the extreme high EV adoptions the adoption of other in car technology also extraordinary. When they build cars, they do not hold back on fit, finish, materials and features like the European and Japanese do. I am currently driving a Merc, I am pretty sure that my next car will be higher end BYD, Zeekr, Polstar or equivalent, the features, safety, technology and value is unbeatable by a long mile.
I don't get how Musk and Tavares say they'd rather have no tariffs and Musk would rather have no EV tax credit. Ford, Stellantis, GM, and Tesla would be in deep trouble without all the protectionist policies that are in place. The Toyota BZ4X is $10,000 more than the G6 and has half the range and half the horsepower and a worse interior. I think these Chinese brands would dominate the market if they came here with $30k EV's with 400 hp and 400 miles of range.
Cause both Elon Musk n Carlos tavares are hypocrites. Classic fork tongue people. They were literally begging for tariffs to be imposed. Once imposed n they feel safe, they turn around, play innocent and claim they didn't ask for it. Reasons? Cause they know they have stepped on the toes of the Chinese, their most important market. For sure, there will be blowbacks n retaliations...
BYD Qin L can drive 1400 miles with one tank of gas for $14,000. Imagining how much money this car can save average Americans every year if BYD is not banned.
Toyota is selling Rav4 in China starting about 15k USD, while US price is 30k+. If there's no profit, Toyota can just quit from China, but they choose to stay. That means they are able to earn money even the price is only half comparing to US. Do you really believe a Rav4 worth 30k USD? Tariffs is not protecting those companies, actually it is killing them slowly. Without tariffs, they will start to make better products in the competition.
Ordered the base model Seal in Dec23. Built Mar24. Collected May24😁. So smooth - look and feel. And also got solar panels to home and also got 40 TSLA (hedging?) OR i could've got a Tesla Model 3. Time will tell.
@@Rob-kf3gx - NOPE, Tesla in FACT the SAFEST vehicles ever TESTED by Agency. TESLA is ONLY car you can walk away from after Accident. LOWEST incidence of INJURY. see - Tesla IMPACT report 2023.
This is great! Thanks again to both AL & CareSoft for the first look. Very interesting to see what the Chinese are doing and what their vehicle quality looks like at different price points. Legacy auto should be very concerned.
It will not matter much. Charing facilities are far under constructed for EV to boom. Americans lose the ability to build consumer products from a long time ago. Chinese EVs should look at EU market. They claim that they care about climate change and gas price is a rip off. Making better sense in EU than US. BTW, I have no hope with US car manufacturers.
My brother in law's BYD Seal 3.8s is better than our Tesla 3 Dual Motor and Tesla S P100D in every way. We are looking to buy an Ora or MG4 now and there is no going backwards.
Don't buy an Ora they are not that good. Rel. high consumption, low charging speeds and high price. There have also been overheating problems, if your in a hotter climate. I would recommend waiting, because in my view in the next 2 years there will be a big improvement of chinese evs. Better consumption, autonomous driving capabilities and fast charging will also be part of lower price segments. For example Xpeng's MONA model coming in Q3 2024 will introduce advanced autonomous driving capabilities to the 20.000$ price segment. The ZEEKR 001 facelift can charge at 550kw and do 10-80 in 11 minutes. These cars will be international eventually, so that's why I'd recommend waiting !
Chinese car makers have different ideas and perspectives of building cars. They not only see car as a traffic tool but also think the car should be a digital space where passengers can have fun and enjoy the cutting edge technologies.
@@fredfeng7353 😂 yeah only Chinese manufacturers have this concept. Why are so many Wumaos poorly educated to topics they post on? CCP must not be paying well any more. Hiring lo iQ
Can't believe I'm alive to witness Chinese product being studied in the US. It felt like just yesterday China was a crawling baby. In a blink they have grown and getting well into their prime years.
This has got to be the dumbest comment I’ve seen on here. Ch/na is the oldest civilization on earth, considering the long history of advancements and contributions that ch/na has made to humanity, you’re arrogant and naive to think like that. If you know anything about history you’d know that ch/na was late to the game due to having to fight wars for centuries and then picking itself back up after all that destruction and plunder. What contributions have you people made? Are you competing with ch/na in tech? I guess not
American cars are not popular outside of America but German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean cars are popular outside their countries. It's an American car problem, not anything else.
Oh look, arm chair “reviewers” making snide comments and even bad mouthing John, who was actually touching and driving the cars. Now we all know Americans are shaking in their boots because they know they can’t compete.
Nobody can compete. China doesn't have to worry about human labor driving up the price of cars the way USA, Germany, Korea and Japan do. A lot of automation / robotics is used in making their cars now also hence the decent build quality. There are factories there where humans are pretty much only used for unloading materials and the final QC checks.
I don't think it's so much that they can't compete. It's that they can't compete while keeping their longstanding business model of soaking the consumer as much as possible. They REALLY don't want to give up that model.
The world's largest ev maker is American genius=TESLA who sells more world class pure evs than ANYONE! Per capita we also have as many evs otr as China does or as of 2023 we did. This year we are slipping some sadly due to to many out of touch clueless aging boomers&their kid's. Per capita we also have more nuclear and renewable energy capacity than China does. We also recycle 10-12,000,000+ vehicle's a year vs China who can't even manage 2,000,000 with 4.5x our population! 👍🏻 China has made great strides in the past 10 or 15 years(my x wife is half Chinese and my oldest brother is married to someone whose full Chinese but also a U.S. citizen. He visits their in laws every few years and has interesting things to say about China. He's also a c level who does a fair amount of business with Chinese interests&backers. Doesn't have much flattering to say about them or their country. I'm reminded of admiral yamamoto sneaking away from pearl harbor "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve" when the U.S. industrial might cranks up? The whole world trembles! 😎
We need to remember that If we want Chinese to buy our Boeing airplanes, we're going to have to buy their cars without any tariff. Do you see how this works? a tariff cuts into the business that dock workers are doing, cuts into the business of the truck drivers and the railroad workers and cuts into every consumer in this country trying to balance his budget. Sure. United Auto workers are also consumers and it cuts into their budgets even though it protects their jobs and you have to think about that . 😊
Boeing is not likely to be on many companies short list in China. No bolts etc in doors does not inspire confidence where as the Chinese cars are generally well made
Sure let's protect the UAW and gain votes for 2024 elections but screw the 15+ million US citizens that bought new cars in 2023 and into the future. Make sense to me, honestly AI and robots can't come soon enough.
...betting your life vs LiDAR detection. How about PAY ATTENTION behind the wheel. Accidents happen in the best of circumstances. We're all human. Is that silly display intended to give some of that responsibility to the person crossing in front of the driver? Never. Tell that to the judge and watch him laugh out loud.
@@fmphotooffice5513 Why you're so overreacting to a display? What's wrong with telling the pedestrian that the driver is waiting for you to cross first?
@@fevaoctwh The driver and the pedestrian will make eye contact. The driver might be extra cautious and might even slide the transmission to neutral or park so the car won't creep, especially if there are little kids involved in the situation or on a hilly street might even put on the parking brake. The pedestrian will decide whether the driver is paying attention and choose whether to walk in front of that car or not depending on how distracted, or young, or disinterested the driver appears to be. The little animation on the hood of the car is totally useless. It might even be a distraction. (!) My point is in an extreme situation IF there is an incident or not, the thing on the hood would be totally pointless -and ridiculous if the driver brings it up in court. It's another pointless POC to one day stop working like the car opening and closing with motors or all the other electronic crap they are pushing on the public. IMO.
@@fmphotooffice5513, again, why are you overreacting? This is a computer-controlled display that will automatically display the "you go first" in the situation of a pedestrian wanna cross in front of the car. What's the difference between stopping the car and waving your hand or silently moving your mouth, saying, "Go!"?
@@fevaoctwh This guy (link below) runs a shop in the US that specifically works on imports and some exotics. His opinion fits this discussion. This thread is interesting but not something I'm THAT interested in. I stumbled on to 2 middle aged guys testing these high end Chinese offerings not yet in the US configuration, neat. Let's see... I'll close with the mechanic's perspective... Thanks for the exchange... ruclips.net/video/L6wZT7pvroY/видео.htmlsi=-hYc2zyPjrOWdYSP
As someone who can read Mandarin, I watched some real world range tests on these cars from China. 2022 Tesla Model Y long range, 219.34 miles (353km), tested by the same media who also did the G6 and X below, source: ruclips.net/video/Shgppdv-doE/видео.html, 7:41 Xpeng G6, 271.85 miles (437.5km), source: ruclips.net/video/QcTLhHb9M4k/видео.html, 9:34 Zeekr X, 216.11 miles (347.8km), source: ruclips.net/video/dbDeQXsw9lU/видео.html, 7:21 Avatr 12, 311.31 miles (501km), source: ruclips.net/video/GuV1O-_hkhU/видео.html, 2:43 I have to say the first two range tests' standard linked above was a bit tough(5 people on board, most highways, and AC on), but just for reference.
Just want to flag that the Zeekr X in the linked test has a smaller battery size(66kwh trim: You, yes the trim is called "you") than the one in this video.
@@bangforbuck8608the Chinese OEMs are subsidized by the government. Tesla had more scale and fewer models than anyone else so there’s no way others could naturally beat them on cost.
In Croatia, a regular Golf 2.0 tdi costs 55,000 dollars and I can't wait for the Chinese to appear because this is not normal, not to mention reliability. The price does not justify the product
Yeah I found it’s crazy how cars became so over priced in Europe in recent years. Four years ago you can get an BMW 4 series with the same price in France/Germany but now there are like 50% increase
lol... you must never have been to China anywhere outside of the tourist spots in the big cities. Drive a couple hours into the countryside and say that, lololol
Thanks Terry and John for showing us the future. The green color and interior of the Zeekr X was beautiful and relaxing. I'm not a big color guy, but I'd pick that combo in a minute. The self opening and closing doors are a great feature. The auto business is a tough business to be in. I do have a question for both of you. How much power does an electric car draw if you just park it in your garage after the battery is fully charged? I don't drive a lot and I don't want to pay for the equivalent of a 200 watt light bulb burning 24/7. I figure it must take some amount of energy to keep an EV computer working, but I don't know how much.
The parasitic draw varies a lot by manufacturer and according to how you adjust the settings. A lot of gas cars will drain the 12V battery after a few weeks of sitting. Some EVs can be set to draw less and last much longer.
Tesla with it sentry mode does consume some watts( think of it as Car CCTV) , but can catch some VANDALS as shown in RUclips and helps with witness information in times of ACCIDENTS as shown in "WHAM BAM Tesla cam"
Yes. However, they're not designed by the same teams that do Volvo or Polestar while Polestar and Volvo do share a lot, design materials and goals and Polestar designers are ex Volvo designers.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Doesn't matter. Still infinitely more stylish than anything Detroit or Austin is pumping out these days... The only car Mr M. was visibly excited to drive of the three...
The internal competition in the Chinese market is much more intense than that in the American market. This full competition makes the products of every car manufacturer and supplier evolve rapidly and iteratively, not only in terms of progressiveness technology, but also in terms of aesthetics, economy, reliability and charging convenience. If anyone believes that China is excessively subsidizing, it is ignoring that the second most subsidized car company in China is Tesla China, which is wholly owned by the United States.
That was the small price that they had to pay to get Tesla manufacturing in China, so that they could learn and benefit from its technology. Without that, it would have taken a few more years to accelerate to this point.
It's not the legacies that are worried it's the Americans that are going to get destroyed our freedom will be gone the jobs will be gone and we will become a third world country.
As a part maker.. not really, kiddo. Byd and others rely on welfare, and i also make tesla parts... majority is robot made now.. tesla, and honda parts especially... Many from there rely on welfare to artificially make the prices lower than elon... triple what elon gets
Oh. Just realize they got fully specs XPengG6, it comes with usable full FSD back in China and keep evolving. I just booked one test drive tomorrow to find out how it performed.
Poor American reivewers, throwing their opinions randomly, while in the comments section, tons of real users of Chinese cars are already so satisfied with their cars owned a long time.
When our government restrict on a products from another country; however, that products are sold worldwide...which are the threat the government interest but not to the peoples.
China is a such competitive market in terms of EV car brands. Those brands have been selected by the market no matter in quality, price, functions and maintainess service r way way better than anyother brand u could possibly imagine.
The thing I most enjoy about my 2024 Model Y dual motor is when I step on the Go pedal it goes, right now, no hesitation just GO. It is hard to watch a video and see what these cars are doing when John hits the pedal, but I didn't see any of them appear to respond similar to the Y. The $56,000 car was the least impressive, the $32,000 car clearly the best value, but with the Tesla and the $7500 tax break bringing it in at ~$37,000, still my first choice. Double the other prices with a 100% tariff and they become totally irrelevant; even 25% tariff was overkill for these prices.
By the way,The sales of these three cars are very poor in its market segmentin in China，Not bad, but very bad. Xpeng's actual price in China starts at $25,000.
I live in Canada and I hope we don’t put huge Tariffs on Chinese made vehicles. I have a Tesla but in order to transition from fossil fuel to electric cheaper options would help. Thanks good video!
Chinese cars and trucks and SUVs and Vans are already sold in the Philippines . I think I saw a Korean Hyundai IONIC 5 EV being tested and sold there, price @3.068- Million Pesos ( 2wd)was way more than it would be in Canada or the USA
@@JD-yx7be Toyotas and Honda's are Made and assemble in Ontario Canada, but I'm sure we are a net IMPORTER of vehicles, from Mexico, USA , Japan and S Korea and the EU, and USA probably biggest beneficiary of them all , oh Honda and Canadian Federal and Ontario Govts just signed a deal for Allston factory expansion for BEV and battery production
It doesn't matter what Canada does or wants. If the US shuts out Chinese cars, Canada must follow. Most of the world's car markets safety standards are harmonized under various NCAPs: EuroNCAP, ChineseNCAP, Latin America NCAP, Korean NCAP, Australian NCAP etc. So a Chinese designed car will not require much modification to be sold in Europe, or Australia, or Mexico for that matter (since you can buy BYDs and other Chinese cars right now in Mexico). Canadian safety regulations however are harmonized with the American FMVSS standards, which would require more modification in order to be compliant. What this means is that a car would only be sold in Canada if the carmaker already took the time and money to make it US compliant. Nobody is going to do all that just the sell a car in the much smaller Canadian market. But since the US put on these tariffs to block the Chinese carmakers to enter the US market, then that also means they won't be selling in Canada either. The only exception would be Volvo, since they do sell in the US, which means they can then also sell those US compliant cars in Canada.
I don't know why we can't yet, my Honda Accord has a camera on the right side mirror. When signal right, it shows the view and blind spot on the monitor.
As a Chinese, I think the car that these two guys test drive is not a top class Chinese car at all. Here are my top Chinese cars: 1. AITO M9, a brand jointly developed by Huawei and Seres, is renowned for its autonomous driving technology, intelligent cockpit, and comfortable driving experience. It features an extended range hybrid powertrain, a comprehensive range of 1400km, a price of $70000, and monthly sales of 16000 vehicles. 2. Yangwang U8, BYD's high-end brand, is known for its powerful body quality and hybrid technology. It can achieve stationary U-turns, emergency floating, and high-speed tire blowouts without rollover. It has 1200 horsepower, a price of $150000, and sells 1000 vehicles per month.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi We have the Zeekr 001 here in Scandinavia, it's absolutely fantastic. Test driven once, love it. Would get that instead of a Polestar.
@@JonasDavidsson Prior to Covid an American blogger toured the new Zeekr factory and got a test drive, that factory was said to be capable of 200,000 +units/ yr production, I'd like to know what Geely has in store for the Proton brand, Lotus I believe will be the sports and upscale SUV line, the Black London Cab looks nice too.
Great video thanks for sharing with us. Will be very interesting what happens by 2030 and the future beyond. What a time to be alive for this car revolution
This is why china cant import. years a head of any western auto. byd dolphin would be huge here. also, these are first gen! they have the ability to change up design and tooling fast now. gm ford are in the stone age.
Years ahead of Western auto on what tech? There is nothing in those cars that any other maker could not produce. It is those things at the cost that is the interesting part. However, since the Chinese government is supplementing the build costs of these cars the (Avatar 12 is actually a government car) and Western governments don't/won't subsidize manufacturers, the fact that these cars have X amount of tech for such lower costs is in no way a valid comparison metric.
@@who2u333 "Western governments don't/won't subsidize manufacturers" Well, what the hell the Inflation Reduction Act is then? And a report said U S was #1 in subsidies in the world in 2023.
Thanks for the comparison! Any details on the conversions used? For example, are all four cars using the China EPA range numbers or is it a mix of US/China (which are quite different)? Are prices China prices or a mix of US/China with some conversions?
Probably Chinese prices and WLTP mileage which is optimistic , add 10 to 15% for US type EPA. The next generations coming from Geely and BYD who both claim the best in efficiency will be fun to watch.
Is the Cadillac LYRIQ selling in the US now? As I know, the platform that the GM called Ultium used on that car is very similar to the Xingyun platform designed by the SAIC.
I still believe many Americans do not understand how far Chinese build quality and sophistication has come. These same people would be shocked how much made in China parts are inside GM and Ford vehicles sold here.
even parts for my 95 f150 are made in china
…because we aren’t allowed. Where would US cars be if the Japanese were kept out. US cars would only last 50,000 miles.
That's true for everything Chinese. They still have a backwards image of the nation despite it being leap years ahead of anywhere else in the world when it comes to EV's, High Speed Rail, Humanoid Robots, Digital banking, etc.
Americans seem to forget that virtually 100% of the electronic products sold in the USA these days have been made in China, such as cell phones, laptop computers, PCs, televisions, and radios.
Made in China using American designs and technology. While American companies chase cheap labor and limited regulation. Apple products are made in China. Does anyone think they were invented or designed there?
Hi from México, I've just bought a BYD Song plus Hybrid PHEV SUV. And it is very impressive. Excellent build quality and materials. 60 miles on electric power, 600 miles combined. Top quality product for $38,000 usd. Former BMW, MERCEDES ,AUDI owner
Wow
I have seen the interior quality of Geely and I admit it is 1000X better than tesla.
BYD最近推出了第五代混动车型，2000km综合续航，亏电状态每百公里油耗2.8L，中国售价约合14000USD起。
A recent study by US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ found that hybrid cars had the worst fire record, while EVs were the least likely type of car to catch fire. Hybrid cars had 3474.5 fires per 100,000 sale; petrol cars had 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales and EVs had just 25.1 fires per 100,000
@ELECTROFELO1 can you confirm what Plug BYD offers in Mexico? Is it China GB/T or J1772 (or CCS for BEV)?
In Thailand. I use a BYD Dolphin, the car costs 17,000 dollars, good quality, full technology. I drive about 100 kilometers a day, and use about 40 dollars for electricity per month. Compared to a Toyota Camry, I have to pay 470 dollars per month for gas. It's a big difference.
17kusd? That's really cheap.. enjoy
Enjoy. I was thinking of buying an EV but it's $ 35K-40K here in the US. I'm stuck in my gas car.
@@nukestrom5719 I m in canada.. we pay even more
@@MADDENCN it is 12kUSD in China
Damn, how expensive is gas in Thailand?
Hi from Australia, have been driving the byd seal for 8000km, such premium build and drives so smoothly, absolutely love it
Yes I have it too it's amazing ❤❤
I saw a video about an Australian official talking about EV, he says its good for EU and the US to use some tariff to protect there own industry, but we Australian dont have a auto industry, so why we just enjoy cheaper cars.
And the exterior is stunning compared to Teslas. Even Xpengs are better than Tesla.
So it hasnt caught fire yet wheels havent fallen off as some of the comments would have us believe
@@zevlove612ICE cars are more likely to catch fire.
After I drove Chinese EVs, I don’t have desire to drive any other EVs anymore. They are just that good. And finally consumers will not be cheated and fooled by the superficially high price tags on American and European cars. As. Consumer I feel my right of buying a more affordable and more advanced EVs made in China has taken away by our government. This is a violation of human right and principle of free market economy which should be driven by consumers not by government control.
because we can't compete with china, instead of trying to compete they just put a tax on chinese EV's
@@thefly373 偷盗你没有的知识？自动生产线 环境恶劣 ？奴隶机器人？
@@thefly373 black live matter? ;)
@@thefly373 damn. That's much, but I read you, lol.
@@onosnow6500 Falun Gong, Uyghurs, Hong Kong political prisoners, COVID...
Zeekr owner here, the zeekr in the video, the frunk need a forceful smacking to close the lid properly. It is not a panel gap thing, they are produced from the same production line as Volvo and polestar, because they are based on the same SEA platform. It is a negative side effect to make the front lid extra light and soft for pedestrian protections. Believe me, the first time I try to close the lid, I thought there is something wrong with the front locking mechanism.
If your body is going to be deforming the metal of a hood, you aren’t making it cheaper or lighter for pedestrian safety.
You just have to close it as every Tesla owner closes theirs.
Soft and with much tlc for your car. At the very last press down left and right of the middle of the hood with your left and right hand palm without any oil on it - better use soft gloves or microfibre cloth - until you hear the soft "click" that signals the successful operation of closing a soft aluminum bonnet.
Smack it down at your own peril.
Well, Smart #1 owner here. I got the same issue here with my smart 😂
@@ZeroNap they really don't want you to use the frunk😅😅
@@robertide5182 did you even finish high school physics? What does the A in F = MA stand for?
You know what is scary ? These are not even the top ones or best selling one. These 3 are considered “not so good sales” relatively.
BYD song , Zeekr 007, Huawei Aito m7/m9, Xiaomi Su 7, BYD Yang Wang U8, NIO cars with their battery swap technology and some other cars which I can’t remember right now . . .
BYD's "Fang Cheng Bao 方程豹" (translation: Formula Leopard) series SUVs is very hot in China right now. Their Bao-5 is selling very good probably better than the Zeekr Tanks right now. Also a Bao-3 is coming out. And they have a concept Bao-9 supercar showing in the Greater Bay Area Auto Show in Shenzhen right now.
Don’t forget Li Auto L7 8 9
NIO is a complete failure. Buy their stock for $5 USD if you want to lose $5 USD per.
@@robertkubrick3738You're funny. Is Falun Gong sending you checks or are they doing direct debit nowadays?
So it's your suggestion that this company should buy these cars to test? Haha
Had Atto3 over a year, not a single issue, saved me $4000 on fuel, very comfortable and smart. Got a seal performance, man, this car just amazing, better then any BMW and Mercedes I ever drove with a fraction of their price, 570HP 670Nm the 4 wheels control kicks in 10-20ms and never let you loose any grip of the road. The HUD is the only one I can see with polarise sunglass during bright day, no wind noise on high speed, seat heated and ventilated in 2 levels, steering wheel and mirror all heated. Seat auto slide, two wireless charger and fast wire charger, and more.
Atto m9 is coming,it's more amazing,covering your wallet😂😂😂
Just came back from China for a 10 days vacation and fell in love with NIO ES6.
Try ET7
why ? did you rent one ?
NIO selling point is battery swap, you need infrastructures for that.
im german 50 and living in a major city at brazil. my whole life i've only driven german autos. after driving and buying a chinese EV car... i will only drive and buy chinese autos for the rest of my life - honest!
Yep, driving is believing.
Thank you for your honesty. Nowadays German auto makers should work more closely with Chinese counterparts as they are already embracing partnership strategies.
you would be shocked how many European engineers are working in Chinese EV industry, especially German ones.
Wait until you try something Japanese, with an ICE!😂
@@hallowwin2721And if they're with Volkswagen, learning absolutely nothing!🤦🤨
I think US is making mistake blocking Chinese EV through Tarrif, US auto industry need to be brave, bring it on !
We have UAW overhead. How can we compete?
Biden knows what will happen if he doesn't impose 100% tariff. Anything less will not be sufficient protection.
Or American will be like Cuban drive vintage cars.
Bravery is not gonna save the UAW. American auto industry is so far behind that no amount of bravery can save it.
@@chl4655you know that's not gonna happen. But know this, safety is number two in China branded cars. Plenty of videos online of people trapped and burned alive in their cars in China
While Americans are still fighting culture wars and demonizing each other, the Chinese have lead and innovated in EVs and battery technology. It’s only a matter of time.
..before your BYD burns your drive.
@@bigglyguy8429 BYD is Be Your Daddy 😂😂😂😂
@@directxxxx71 They have literally burned down 10 of their own show-rooms. Why do that to your house - or your family?
And the Chines have exterminated a fair number of people?
@@bigglyguy8429 Let him, improves the gene pool.
Ive been driving a Xpeng P5 for almost 3 years now. It's a no nonsense, not a lot of fancy tech, gets the job done EV. 210hp, camry sized sedan, ample leg room, and drives very well. Legacy auto has a lot of catching up to do.
So? We already on the moon over 50yrs ago and all the tech we developed has brought the world out of poverty especially china..
And the P5 was the worst EV that Xpeng had made.
P5 is really not good, at least P7 is better. By the way where are you from
@@nk5942 。
@@nk5942 same as you bro
Many people still think that electric vehicles and fuel vehicles are just the difference between gasoline and electricity, and do not realize that this is a shift from four wheels to artificial intelligence.
nokia vs iphone
Lol.
@@龙忠伟 you must not have any new ICE powered cars. Almost all modern ice cars have similar self driving and features that EVs have.
Tesla's so-called minimalist style is just for profit.
Go look at the OpMargins. GM is higher because Adrian’s economics degree is a lie.
I dont like it, stylistic its not beautiful. At least a small LCD at front of driver or a setting LCD would be fine.
Not profit, but making it cheaper for consumers. But also, Tesla invented the central screen with no buttons because they wanted to have OTA updates that would push new features. You can't do that if buttons are connected to a feature - what if you want to redesign or remove the features? It's like old cars that still have CD players.
@@juliahello6673 Nope. Elon wanted a tablet because he didn’t want to invest in buttons that would require esd testing. When in doubt, assume that Elon does things for cost. Never for customer sat.
@@bobbbobb4663 My guess is that you assume a lot instead of trying to find real answers. And your assumptions are based on simple emotion-based beliefs like "billionaires are baaaaaaaad".
These are all coming here to Brazil ,less Tesla unfortunately. Keep in mind, that China is a much larger trade partner with Brazil than US. BYD & GWM have Brazilian factories that are coming online. In response, the legacy automakers (with some exceptions like Honda) have begun dropping prices & improving option packages. Plug-in hybrids are quite popular due to lack of charging infrastructure. But it is just a matter of time. The thing that is holding back the entire takeover is that lack of fast charging infrastructure. When that gets resolved in Brazil, it’s lights out for legacy auto.
Question for you, What GASOLINE or formulation does Brazil use there , as to my knowledge Brazil has Ethanol mix or is it pure Ethanol , I ask because M85 has been known to damage gaskets corrossion and such, Chinese Hybrids would have different adaptations of ICE?
Brazil is like Canada highly urbanized so the need for large inter-city charging is MUCH MUCH less than the USA or Europe... We are both linear nations that basically exist as long rail/road corridors... Here in Canada both Tesla and Petro-Canada built nation-wide rapid charging networks by openly opening about 2 dozen stations nation wide and it covers about 95% where people in the nation actually live. For those random routes off grid into the wild, hybrid's are wildly popular here for this very reason and why I think PHEV's will do well for a while unless governments dole out the cash to subsidize more "unprofitable" but much needed remote locations...
Brazil will be manufacturing BYD cars. Not just parts assembly but everything from power chips to batteries. Totaly vertically integrated.
@@stickynorththe byd hybrid with 2000 km range on a 65 litre gas tank will really put to bed range anxiety issues. Also with a 100 km battery range If I charged every day my gas would go bad.
Brazil has no infrastructure to support a massive EV market. Best zero emission platform in Brazil is still ethanol - cheap and available everywhere.
And he didn't even include the BYD Song L or the Nio ES6 which are even more luxurious on the inside. Legacy would be screwed if these cars were built in Mexico and shipped to the US!
The BYD seal is also missing.
Nio is coming soon!
A 4-year owner of the ES6, buying a NIO is incredibly cost-effective; Mercedes-Benz has been left behind in my memory.
HIGH TECH is the Ultimate LUXURY - Elon.
Avatr car is actually priced higher than the BYD models. With higher level of technology packed inside
I have a China made Tesla Model Y here in the UK and the build quality is excellent.
Me 2. M3LR MIC - made in china. Not one single issue.
Many Tesla HATERS here and other websites would say otherwise.They have no clue.
China made? Tesla is an American company that developed its own designs, technology and manufacturing methods. China supplied the labor. Not exactly China made. Look at the American F-35 fighter jet and compare it to the Chinese version. Just a coincidence that they look so much alike? Not to mention this Autoline review appears very superficial with no mention of long term dependability. I have to laugh every time I hear a reviewer talk about acceleration from a standing start. Do most people really care about that issue when buying a car?
@@gregohare2406 We Chinese workers don't skip bolts and the doors and wheels don't fall off, not like you Americans working in Boeing airplanes.
@@gregohare2406Tesla owner here, owned model Y Shanghai made and Texas made, the China made version if better in building quality and battery life. As for F-35 and J-35(JF-31), J-35 has twin engines.
I just can't wait for these cars coming to the U.S. Despite of heavy tariff they will face, it will still shock American market for sure. Proud of Made in China Products! Change your old view and accept good and new ideas from other world, people!
BYD将在墨西哥建造工厂，会出BYD鲨鱼，是很实惠的电动皮卡车，这些车将进入美国，前提是美国政治家不制裁。您可以去看看这款车
European car leaders asked European union Not to put extra tarifs on import. We have to compete!
Very smart !
but still, 30% new tariff.
@@jianyang6281 a fair deal
Haha, but will the buraucrats in Brussels listen to those who still make something in Europe? I'd be surprised.
But politicians would never listen to smart people.
Do Chinese ever compete ?
Yes I thought so
ZEEKR X got 5 stars in EURO NCAP
And 83% in the ADAS section. Not bad.
All my company cars must surpass at least 90% in ADAS, have the best safety in its class, the best efficiency in its class, less than 100km to the next major service station, more than 350 km range in high winter with snow on the roads, fully remote controllable and unstealable.
When and if Zeekr meets those criteria i will for sure look again.
@@wolfgangpreier9160I wonder, how many models meet the criteria?
@@davidmenasco5743 I think Mercedes ADAS is L3 but limited to Hiway speeds of 40 Mph or around 62 Kph, not sure if the German Autobahn has such LOW speed limits unless it is bad traffic and is foggy.
@@davidmenasco5743 Funny that you ask. Tesla Model Y, Model S, 3 and X have never been tested but use the same Hard- and Software, Nio ET7, GWM Ora Cat, Nissan Ariya barely in winter), Wey Coffee, BMW X1
Lexus NX (barely), Subaru and Toyota EVs do not have the range. And frankly the others are just plain too slow or have buttons in the interior. Yikes.
Just below the minimums are Smart #3, Mercedes EQE, Kia EV9, Nio ET5
The GWM, Nio and Wey are not available in Austria.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 You must be REALLY single with a laundry list like that... Enjoy the lonely life up there on that pedestal, Arnold!
John and Terry, This is the best automotive content on the internet. Thanks.
The Chinese recently safely landed on the dark side of the moon, the probe did not fall over and its rover functioned perfectly keep this in mind when you are contemplating western technical superiority 🤔
China can't even make a jet engine for airplane.
@@hcwcars1China kept investing jet and fighter engines for 30 years, they got nothing on the first 25 years. Now the new WS-15 engine just equipped J-20 stealth fighter and it has more thrust than the F-119 engine on F-22
@@hcwcars1 Oh, don’t cry when China makes a jet engine for plane by themselves. Western jet engines will lose all market share once China has their best jets engines on the market. China not making jet engines doesn’t mean that China cannot make jet engines. China just wants to be nice and give some rooms for western jet engines companies to make a living.
@hcwcars1, China does not make a jet engine for a plane...YET! Nonetheless, that does not negate the fact that they have just completed a lunar landing in the past days.
Also, China are on par to overtake Boeing and Airbus in the not so distant future...Their ship building industry is biggest and much bigger than the US. Europe tried to block China's progress by not selling them parts, yet China's home built cruise ship just completed a maiden voyage. China cannot be contained!
@@hcwcars1 You are never more incorrect and wrong. Go ang google "Yangtse CJ1000 and CJ2000 high by-pass jet engine" - being developed for long range, fuel efficient flight in commercial passenger planes. These are not the same engines as the WS15 engines with vectoring and cruise after burners that have been developed for military jets. All of these are indigenously designed and produced in China for their own internal use.
thats why we are banning Chinese EV cars. they just so much advanced.
Exactly. They would destroy the US auto industry in few years
Absolutely correct. US still using stage coach with armed guard to transport passengers, and use the Phoney Express to transmit news from one state to another. The cowboy era of Billy the Kid and Django are seen everywhere exported abroad. Those who block path are blasted and rendered ineffective boom. 19the century Monroe Doctrine is still much alive of US policy and political leaders. US still diesel locomotive stage while China and the world advance electric and solar powered.
+20 social credit points
Congratulations, you will eat today and not be sent to a reeducation camp.
Yes, not being able to have them makes us cope better 😩
The root of the problem is that auto workers and their families are a big voting base in the election, and no one dares to offend them. Therefore, Americans will not be able to drive high-quality and low-cost Chinese cars in the next few decades.
The real differentiator for the XPeng G6 is the charging speed, range, energy efficiency, rear room, the material quality, the voice assistant and the ADAS. Those are what really make the price difference all the more glaring.
I have a G6 :)
And it’s not a Tesla copy.
Tesla has better range.
@@SunDevilDave Tesla：400V，Xpeng G6: 800V ,
@@RobinCheng-s3z volt isn't a distance.
The price of BMW i3 in China starts from less than $30,000, while the actual price of Mercedes-Benz EQE and EQE suv in China starts from $45,000, which is equivalent to a 60% discount, and the sales volume is still very poor.
是的，传统所谓 BBA 三强已经渐渐失去曾经的荣耀甚至尊严，作为曾经的车主有一种很奇怪的滋味
An EQS SUV
Like the EQE SUV
Are on great discounts in china
45-50%
Which is crazy
An EQS SUV is selling for 450k RMB instead of 900k RMB
Says a lot
这两天奔驰 E 上市了，初始定价 40 万 rmb，我看了一下评论，很多人在说定的太贵了，在国产车面前根本没优势🤣
请不要买杂牌BBA电动车
There is one more car I would love to see in this comparison, It is the Xiaomi SU7.
I would also include a model from NIO, Luxeed or Li auto.
I did a test drive of the SU7，very fun car to drive and full of awesome ideas from a phone company.
There must be Li Auto L9!
@@LMCCasting for performance model, front brake needs to be upgraded.... OEM the car is under braked
@serriajohn The M9 is not a vehicle. It is the Mi9 which is a cellphone. So what are you talking about? The SU7 is an EV, the Mi9(M9 as you call it) is a smart phone. Please do your research and then tell me why the Xiaomi SU 7 is for young girls. I hope you are not an internet troll but rather someone who made an honest mistake in seeing and reading this stuff on RUclips.
The Avatar car is known for its smart features, which is also why they are with a higher price. Unfortunately, the smart features were not tested in this video.
It looks awesome
Probably needs a proper huawei phone to unlock many smart functions, sorry those are banned in the land of the free😂
@serriajohn 不是无图驾驶嘛？
@@诡雅异俗 如果没有地图和定位系统来告知车机出发点和目的地，他怎么计算路径。无图驾驶指的是不依赖高精度地图。
@@诡雅异俗 无图驾驶还是需要地图基础信息支持的，不然怎么知道目的地在哪里，哪里需要转弯呢？
Stop saying Chinese EVs copied from Tesla. That is completely false statement. Chinese EVs are more affordable and much more advanced than any other EVs in the market. Chinese companies are not profit driven but consumer oriented that to ensure the affordability is the objective for all Chinese EVs. That should be a good thing for all consumers around the world. These American testers are speechless by the high quality, affordability and advancement of Chinese Evs. But they cannot help but still talk with sour grape tones and trying to pick bones out of eggs. Basically they feel the time for American companies cheating and fooling consumers with artificially high price tag will be threatened by more affordable and more advanced EVs made in China.
You must be joking, right? Look at the body of their “direct competitor”. It’s almost a copy of TESLA. China didn’t even have the technology that Tesla invented. look at their inside design,. Large center position screen look familiar to you? And what about profits, $3000 less expensive, and made in China, how is that’s not profit driven?
You must be from China 🤦🏻
Well they absolutely milked Tesla for everything they could. That is so obvious. Musk made it easy when he marveled at how quickly he could build Gigafactories in China. China is doing what they have done to all of the leading Western companies that have been induced to establish factories there. They are just much more highly motivated. Tesla blazed a trail and BYD and others are overtaking Tesla. Ford and Chevrolet sat on their hands. Tariffs will not really be a help unless we have some sort of industrial policies which democracies are not well-equipped to execute on.
They didn't think of gigacasting, minimalist interior with big screen, structural battery by themselves. I have nothing against copying, and the Detroit automakers can't even do that, but nobody can say that the Chinese aren't copying from Tesla. I predict that the Chinese will be innovating within the next ten years and Tesla and everyone else will be copying from them too. The best path to better EVs is to have everyone innovating and everyone copying.
@@peterwilliams7335 Communist authoritarian countries don’t have to worry about profits and cheap labor. Their businesses are heavily subsidized by the government and seeded by industrial espionage.
@@juliahello6673it's like saying Microsoft copied Apple GUI design to make Windows.
As a XPeng G9 owner in China.
The video showed me that Americans are behind in cars not in technology but in thinking.
They don't comment on the smart cockpit design of the car, only the driving experience. It's like holding a smartphone and only evaluating the signal strength and call volume.
BTW, if I'm thinking correctly, the XPeng G6 and Avatrr 12 should be in comfort mode not sport mode.
A lot of people still think in analog here, so this is not too surprising.
To be fair they just did a quick drive…
@@fangzification While others think as a human.
So rather than compete on quality, performance, and features, the US auto industry will hide behind a 100% tariff paywall.
In the meantime, the US EV customers will have to suffer sub-standard vehicles, and US automakers won't innovate or improve the vehicles, because they don't have too due to a protected market.
The only winners here are the US automakers.
You get Vinfast made in vietnam. It's all political.
They've been doing that for decades with the 25 year import rule that stops people grey-importing cars that aren't sold in the USA unless they're more than 25 years old .
In the UK I can import almost any vehicle I want as long as I can convert the speedo to mph.
The US automakers will be the losers because they will get lazy. The irony is the tariff will actually accelerate the demise
Pretty sad, the west has become everything they said communism would bring
Correction. The real winners are the unions. Not union members, but the unions themselves.
These cars are already on the streets in europe. What extra safety certifications are needed?
Quite likely different bumpers for low speed impacts. Compare the old Mitsubishi i-MiEV in Europe and Japan vs. North America.
Most of the problem with them is all politics not a technical issue with these cars.
Chinese elec cars do not sell in large numbers in Europe. Tesla far out sells them. The Chinese elec cars in Europe are surprisingly very expensive
@@allangraham970*Tariff ... Oh 🤭*
European and Chinese safety regulations are harmonized and include pedestrian impact testing. US regulations require minimum damage to the bumper in low-speed impacts, but do not test for pedestrians. Chinese vehicles will likely need minor modifications to the bumpers, as do many current European cars. There are also some features like adaptive headlights, camera-based mirrors, etc. that are not yet allowed in the US.
John hit the jackpot when he partnered with Caresoft. These vids lately are more interesting than Munroe. I feel like it's the Monday Night wars all over again!
Very timely videos!
A little more detail on real world range and charging speed performance would be priceless.
Not sure how Caresoft makes their money as one off buying & importation / shipping of these cars isn't cheap, not sure if Caresoft will do mechanical dissection of these cars and who will buy, FYI there are 300+ Chinese auto Companies , some are struggling,maybe they do buy some reports of the competition🤔.
munro got tesla cult infested
Munro has become lille more than a Tesla Fanboy channel these days.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8giautomakers and parts suppliers probably do contract with them for whatever they find from these Chinese EV'S, where as Munro is becoming as marketing gimmick as JD Powers.
I own a BYD EV (resident of Brazil). Well built and sophisticated car, far ahead of any ICE car in its price range. I am charging at home, zero problems with range. It all depends of course on your day to day routine.
People need to stop paying 70k for 45k cars. Come on people. These dumbass terriffs are keeping our prices way too high
Just buy it of TEMU
China can subsidize their industries a lot to make the cars cheaper and labor costs are low. What the tarriffs are doing are protecting our own manufacturing industry and passing more bills to help enourage more industry and manufacturing to come back to America, especially in light of the supply chain problems we had with Covid.
@@test-my-fpv-stuff😂😂😂
thats why americans are broke....they ripped us all off..
You got to look at the byd shark hybrid pick up truck with 840 km range on a tank of gas and a 80 km battery range.
US auto manufacturers used government subsidies to buy back shares to benefit the executives & shareholders instead of using them to improve efficiency & innovations.
GM did a huge buyback of its stock so CEO Barra can make money on the stories she’s spun and walk away with a crippled GM all set up to beg for Fed handouts to maintain Union jobs.
Please bring these models: Seal06, Qin L, Bao 5, IM L6, Zeekr 001FR, Chery T7, Huawei M7, Deepal G318, and of course Xiaomi SU7.
I'm sure Caresoft would oblige if somebody will pay for Purchase and Freight & Customs.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi in God, we trust
just go to China！
@@manimalworks7424 I don't think US believe in God these days. I see a Devil and Satan ruled the parties.
Xiaomi SU7 is the most dangerous. It beat the Porsche in Germany.
fun story: my (american) boyfriend insisted on renting a chevy car in mexico (vs. kia et al korean makers' car) cuz he is american and he wants to drive an "american" car. A few months later i read a book about china auto industry supply chain and found out that a decent amount of chevy in mexico are manufactured by wuling, which is a JV co-owned by wuling, Saic and GM. Some of the models are just label change from wuling's car in China. The one we rented was among those label change models that was manufactured in guangxi, china. That car is basically Chinese IMO🤣
Yes, Americans are not smart. Feel bad for you.
五菱宝骏510/530贴了雪佛兰的标 大聪明
In fact Ford and GM exported 126,000 ICE vehicles from China to the US in 2023, while Polestar exported 12,000 made-in-china EVs to America.
@@Leed831100I don't know why the United States doesn't prohibit Polestar, which is a Chinese brand.
The efficiency on the Xpeng is crazy, almost 5 mile/kWh rated.
mine gets 11-12kwh/100km. probly most efficient ev out there.
Yeah!!! The Chinese automakers are serious.
More of Caresoft
Excellent video
I think next time you guys should test out the tech packages like voice commands, self-driving functions of the cars, then tell me what you think, etc.
It's not road legal, so hard to try to auto-driving feature, and it's not optimized for American roads, I'm guessing they won't do good.
Americans are told that they are not that interested in EVs.
Didn't you get the memo?
We're all supposed to be tribal now.
Pick a side:
a) Crazed gun nut, YOLO anti-EV Hellcat owner.
b) Alarmist, Greta-hugging climate delusionist
No Mercian’s have told government they don’t want EVs. No thanks! China doesn’t understand Americans 😂
Yeah, because those big oil companies bankrolled those idiots in congress and whitehouse.
I like that, "they are told". If most Americans actually put their butts in the seat of an EV and drive it, they would be interested. Too many Americans just listen to the talking heads of their tribe.
~80% of Americans have never ridden in an EV, let alone driven one. Many still think "golf cart". A well integrated EV powertrain can make even a mundane grocery getter feel like a Mercedes, thanks to the combination of instant torque and quiet operation. The oil & gas industry, combined with legacy auto makers who don't want to change too quickly help spread negative information on siloed media outlets (and truthfully, there are still downsides - like the grid isn't necessarily ready for mass adoption and next gen battery chemistry still needs to be adopted to make people feel safe - albeit much of the risk is way overblown) .
China's national standard requires that there must be a speed warning tone below 20km/h to ensure pedestrian safety, otherwise no sound is dangerous
Chinese National Standards? Enforcement??? Testing and verification??? Produced for local consumption - Chinese International Standard is a joke
@@johnbannister9212 Each country has its own national standard, ANSI in the United States, BS in the United Kingdom, GB in China, and any manufacturer needs to follow the local national standard
@@johnbannister9212 🤡
@@johnbannister9212 If you mean it's not universal, yes it is, cuz if it applies to you, you won't pass the standard and live till now.
@@johnbannister9212 一个制造业空心化的国家有什么脸面嘲笑一个制造业大国的标准？靠金融还是律师？搞笑得很
Was traveling China for a few weeks earlier this year, aside from the extreme high EV adoptions the adoption of other in car technology also extraordinary. When they build cars, they do not hold back on fit, finish, materials and features like the European and Japanese do. I am currently driving a Merc, I am pretty sure that my next car will be higher end BYD, Zeekr, Polstar or equivalent, the features, safety, technology and value is unbeatable by a long mile.
I don't get how Musk and Tavares say they'd rather have no tariffs and Musk would rather have no EV tax credit. Ford, Stellantis, GM, and Tesla would be in deep trouble without all the protectionist policies that are in place. The Toyota BZ4X is $10,000 more than the G6 and has half the range and half the horsepower and a worse interior. I think these Chinese brands would dominate the market if they came here with $30k EV's with 400 hp and 400 miles of range.
BTW, toyota signed a deal will BYD to use bys's ev tech to build toyota's ev model such as Bz4x..
Cause both Elon Musk n Carlos tavares are hypocrites. Classic fork tongue people. They were literally begging for tariffs to be imposed. Once imposed n they feel safe, they turn around, play innocent and claim they didn't ask for it.
Reasons? Cause they know they have stepped on the toes of the Chinese, their most important market. For sure, there will be blowbacks n retaliations...
And ironically bz4x is essentially a byd copy. 😂
BYD Qin L can drive 1400 miles with one tank of gas for $14,000. Imagining how much money this car can save average Americans every year if BYD is not banned.
Toyota is selling Rav4 in China starting about 15k USD, while US price is 30k+. If there's no profit, Toyota can just quit from China, but they choose to stay. That means they are able to earn money even the price is only half comparing to US. Do you really believe a Rav4 worth 30k USD? Tariffs is not protecting those companies, actually it is killing them slowly. Without tariffs, they will start to make better products in the competition.
Ordered the base model Seal in Dec23. Built Mar24. Collected May24😁.
So smooth - look and feel. And also got solar panels to home and also got 40 TSLA (hedging?)
OR i could've got a
Tesla Model 3.
Time will tell.
In Australia there are a number of videos of rust in Byds for instance under the door hinge. You might want to nurse your car
@@allangraham970 I live near the sea. Went with the ceramic coating. Easier to clean too.
100% Tariffs?? Come on man… the US automakers need to be more competitive and give is choices like these.
Ummm, you Really dont want any of those DEATHTRAPS on usa roads.
Personally I’m be more afraid of Chinese makers dumping product into the market below cost to gain a foothold and then raising prices later.
They will be here sooner or later, money talks with our politicians.
@@markplott4820 You're talking about Teslas, right?
@@Rob-kf3gx - NOPE, Tesla in FACT the SAFEST vehicles ever TESTED by Agency.
TESLA is ONLY car you can walk away from after Accident.
LOWEST incidence of INJURY.
see - Tesla IMPACT report 2023.
This is great! Thanks again to both AL & CareSoft for the first look. Very interesting to see what the Chinese are doing and what their vehicle quality looks like at different price points. Legacy auto should be very concerned.
america, when u put tariff on chinese ev, u're hurting urself.
It will not matter much. Charing facilities are far under constructed for EV to boom. Americans lose the ability to build consumer products from a long time ago. Chinese EVs should look at EU market. They claim that they care about climate change and gas price is a rip off. Making better sense in EU than US. BTW, I have no hope with US car manufacturers.
@Commandos12 china when you post a comment, they're knocking at your door
Tariffs are designed to balance out the CCP subsidies and protect domestic companies… but I understand your point.
The US subsidizes each ev sold to consumers.@@axiomic
America, when u buy a chinese product you are hurting yourself. But you all are too stupid to recognize or believe that
My brother in law's BYD Seal 3.8s is better than our Tesla 3 Dual Motor and Tesla S P100D in every way. We are looking to buy an Ora or MG4 now and there is no going backwards.
Don't buy an Ora they are not that good. Rel. high consumption, low charging speeds and high price. There have also been overheating problems, if your in a hotter climate. I would recommend waiting, because in my view in the next 2 years there will be a big improvement of chinese evs. Better consumption, autonomous driving capabilities and fast charging will also be part of lower price segments. For example Xpeng's MONA model coming in Q3 2024 will introduce advanced autonomous driving capabilities to the 20.000$ price segment. The ZEEKR 001 facelift can charge at 550kw and do 10-80 in 11 minutes. These cars will be international eventually, so that's why I'd recommend waiting !
They are all so great! EVs are really pushing the boundaries, too bad the US is so fearful of competition.
get the G6 I had it 7 months now, very good car... fast comfy quiet and lot smarter than others
agree to @johannfriedsam1136. I would not go for Ora if I were you.
how can P100D lose to the Seal? I find it rather odd
Chinese car makers have different ideas and perspectives of building cars. They not only see car as a traffic tool but also think the car should be a digital space where passengers can have fun and enjoy the cutting edge technologies.
@@fredfeng7353 😂 yeah only Chinese manufacturers have this concept. Why are so many Wumaos poorly educated to topics they post on? CCP must not be paying well any more. Hiring lo iQ
NIO wins JD awards again and is probably the best Chinese EV and also has battery swapping. Why did you leave them out. Please include next time.
Can't believe I'm alive to witness Chinese product being studied in the US. It felt like just yesterday China was a crawling baby. In a blink they have grown and getting well into their prime years.
This has got to be the dumbest comment I’ve seen on here. Ch/na is the oldest civilization on earth, considering the long history of advancements and contributions that ch/na has made to humanity, you’re arrogant and naive to think like that. If you know anything about history you’d know that ch/na was late to the game due to having to fight wars for centuries and then picking itself back up after all that destruction and plunder. What contributions have you people made? Are you competing with ch/na in tech? I guess not
American cars are not popular outside of America but German, Chinese, Japanese, Korean cars are popular outside their countries. It's an American car problem, not anything else.
Tesla is fine; the r
est is dead.
Tariff killed the domestic car companies, made them lazier, greedier and less competitiv.
I wish we could get these cars. No wonder they are a largest car producer in the world
these cars only a tip of the iceberg within Chinese EV market
These are not the most popular electric cars in the Chinese market
Mobile COFFIN.
@@markplott4820Keep your bias
@@韩轩-l5l - your BIAS wont save you in a CRASH.
I can get up & walk away after a TESLA crash.
Oh look, arm chair “reviewers” making snide comments and even bad mouthing John, who was actually touching and driving the cars. Now we all know Americans are shaking in their boots because they know they can’t compete.
Nobody can compete. China doesn't have to worry about human labor driving up the price of cars the way USA, Germany, Korea and Japan do. A lot of automation / robotics is used in making their cars now also hence the decent build quality. There are factories there where humans are pretty much only used for unloading materials and the final QC checks.
It's OK, south korea can compete
I don't think it's so much that they can't compete. It's that they can't compete while keeping their longstanding business model of soaking the consumer as much as possible.
They REALLY don't want to give up that model.
The world's largest ev maker is American genius=TESLA who sells more world class pure evs than ANYONE!
Per capita we also have as many evs otr as China does or as of 2023 we did. This year we are slipping some sadly due to to many out of touch clueless aging boomers&their kid's.
Per capita we also have more nuclear and renewable energy capacity than China does. We also recycle 10-12,000,000+ vehicle's a year vs China who can't even manage 2,000,000 with 4.5x our population! 👍🏻
China has made great strides in the past 10 or 15 years(my x wife is half Chinese and my oldest brother is married to someone whose full Chinese but also a U.S. citizen. He visits their in laws every few years and has interesting things to say about China. He's also a c level who does a fair amount of business with Chinese interests&backers. Doesn't have much flattering to say about them or their country.
I'm reminded of admiral yamamoto sneaking away from pearl harbor "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve" when the U.S. industrial might cranks up? The whole world trembles! 😎
Speaking as someone who owns a Chinese EV, I agree.
We need to remember that If we want Chinese to buy our Boeing airplanes, we're going to have to buy their cars without any tariff. Do you see how this works? a tariff cuts into the business that dock workers are doing, cuts into the business of the truck drivers and the railroad workers and cuts into every consumer in this country trying to balance his budget. Sure. United Auto workers are also consumers and it cuts into their budgets even though it protects their jobs and you have to think about that . 😊
I think you're comparing apples to oranges even the Chinese have high tariffs on imported American cars the Chinese don't build airplanes for export
Preach!
Boeing is not likely to be on many companies short list in China. No bolts etc in doors does not inspire confidence where as the Chinese cars are generally well made
Sure let's protect the UAW and gain votes for 2024 elections but screw the 15+ million US citizens that bought new cars in 2023 and into the future. Make sense to me, honestly AI and robots can't come soon enough.
@@allangraham970 chinese airlines are not buying boeing planes switching to airbus due to increasing national security risk
Australia has no tariff on Chinese EVs, lots of Australians are happily buying them
At 33:06, the AVATAR was displaying "You go first" to a pedestrian...
...betting your life vs LiDAR detection. How about PAY ATTENTION behind the wheel. Accidents happen in the best of circumstances. We're all human. Is that silly display intended to give some of that responsibility to the person crossing in front of the driver? Never. Tell that to the judge and watch him laugh out loud.
@@fmphotooffice5513 Why you're so overreacting to a display? What's wrong with telling the pedestrian that the driver is waiting for you to cross first?
@@fevaoctwh The driver and the pedestrian will make eye contact. The driver might be extra cautious and might even slide the transmission to neutral or park so the car won't creep, especially if there are little kids involved in the situation or on a hilly street might even put on the parking brake. The pedestrian will decide whether the driver is paying attention and choose whether to walk in front of that car or not depending on how distracted, or young, or disinterested the driver appears to be. The little animation on the hood of the car is totally useless. It might even be a distraction. (!) My point is in an extreme situation IF there is an incident or not, the thing on the hood would be totally pointless -and ridiculous if the driver brings it up in court. It's another pointless POC to one day stop working like the car opening and closing with motors or all the other electronic crap they are pushing on the public. IMO.
@@fmphotooffice5513, again, why are you overreacting? This is a computer-controlled display that will automatically display the "you go first" in the situation of a pedestrian wanna cross in front of the car. What's the difference between stopping the car and waving your hand or silently moving your mouth, saying, "Go!"?
@@fevaoctwh This guy (link below) runs a shop in the US that specifically works on imports and some exotics. His opinion fits this discussion. This thread is interesting but not something I'm THAT interested in. I stumbled on to 2 middle aged guys testing these high end Chinese offerings not yet in the US configuration, neat. Let's see... I'll close with the mechanic's perspective... Thanks for the exchange...
ruclips.net/video/L6wZT7pvroY/видео.htmlsi=-hYc2zyPjrOWdYSP
Legacy Auto is screwed.
Only if the Chinese are allowed.
Wrong!
@@brunoheggli2888 Correct. Wrong made in Nowhere Minnesota is also screwed.
You people dont understand that they dont want to destroy the competition!Its way to costly and would make to many enemies!
Has been
As someone who can read Mandarin, I watched some real world range tests on these cars from China.
2022 Tesla Model Y long range, 219.34 miles (353km), tested by the same media who also did the G6 and X below, source: ruclips.net/video/Shgppdv-doE/видео.html, 7:41
Xpeng G6, 271.85 miles (437.5km), source: ruclips.net/video/QcTLhHb9M4k/видео.html, 9:34
Zeekr X, 216.11 miles (347.8km), source: ruclips.net/video/dbDeQXsw9lU/видео.html, 7:21
Avatr 12, 311.31 miles (501km), source: ruclips.net/video/GuV1O-_hkhU/видео.html, 2:43
I have to say the first two range tests' standard linked above was a bit tough(5 people on board, most highways, and AC on), but just for reference.
Just want to flag that the Zeekr X in the linked test has a smaller battery size(66kwh trim: You, yes the trim is called "you") than the one in this video.
thank you.. actual truth 😅 also they rely on huge welfare to lower prices
@@dertythegrower I'm not sure I follow you what welfare are you talking about and how it affects price.
@@bangforbuck8608the Chinese OEMs are subsidized by the government. Tesla had more scale and fewer models than anyone else so there’s no way others could naturally beat them on cost.
Thanks for the details.
The G6,s range is shown in Kilometers in the comparison chart!
it gets 755km range
In Croatia, a regular Golf 2.0 tdi costs 55,000 dollars and I can't wait for the Chinese to appear because this is not normal, not to mention reliability.
The price does not justify the product
Yeah I found it’s crazy how cars became so over priced in Europe in recent years. Four years ago you can get an BMW 4 series with the same price in France/Germany but now there are like 50% increase
Chinese roads are well maintained. They were not designed for the neglected bombed American roads.
Not true. There are lots of Chinese roads much worse than crappy US roads, especially those outside the city centre.
British roads: hold my beer.
lol... you must never have been to China anywhere outside of the tourist spots in the big cities. Drive a couple hours into the countryside and say that, lololol
@@esphilee Which would soon be an empty glass, were it held whilst driving on a British road.
LOL! You are in correct Comrade!
Thanks Terry and John for showing us the future. The green color and interior of the Zeekr X was beautiful and relaxing. I'm not a big color guy, but I'd pick that combo in a minute. The self opening and closing doors are a great feature. The auto business is a tough business to be in. I do have a question for both of you. How much power does an electric car draw if you just park it in your garage after the battery is fully charged? I don't drive a lot and I don't want to pay for the equivalent of a 200 watt light bulb burning 24/7. I figure it must take some amount of energy to keep an EV computer working, but I don't know how much.
The parasitic draw varies a lot by manufacturer and according to how you adjust the settings.
A lot of gas cars will drain the 12V battery after a few weeks of sitting. Some EVs can be set to draw less and last much longer.
Tesla with it sentry mode does consume some watts( think of it as Car CCTV) , but can catch some VANDALS as shown in RUclips and helps with witness information in times of ACCIDENTS as shown in "WHAM BAM Tesla cam"
During a range test last winter, pure EV parked outside under -10 degree Celsius lost about 1-2 percent of power overnight.
@serriajohn All joint ventures In China are on the edge of cliff. Free fall will happen in a year.
I think Aito and Li Auto are premium and well regarded in China.
Yes the Zeekr EVs are developed and designed in Gothenburg, as the Lynk& Co EVs
Yes. However, they're not designed by the same teams that do Volvo or Polestar while Polestar and Volvo do share a lot, design materials and goals and Polestar designers are ex Volvo designers.
@@benjaminsmith2287 As far as labeling/marketing goes, "Polestar" sounds like the main attraction at a gentlemans club. Is it just me?
@@benjaminsmith2287 Doesn't matter. Still infinitely more stylish than anything Detroit or Austin is pumping out these days... The only car Mr M. was visibly excited to drive of the three...
Zeekr 001 isn't
@@fatdoi003 Zeekr 001 was designed in Gothenburg, Sweden. There is a facility in Sweden called Geely Design Gothenburg.
I am afraid the test driving is way too simple😂
the $55000 Avatar 's true value is in its auto drive, you don't even try it , it is not only a car but a driving robot. A true intelligent robot!
Game over for the big 3 if they import here…
Only big 2 , Chrsler is no more, Stelantis now.
Not really after they get hit with a 100% tariff….😂
😂😂 The geese and goslings crossing the road. Top job on respecting nature.
Canadian cobra chickens are the alpha aviary on America... Never forget who took down that US Airways flight, Sully be damned! ;-)
What crap😂
These two guys probably run over them if they weren't on camera for the show lol.
Thanks John and AD for getting Caresoft to share these coming Chinese competition, many sleepless nites in Germany and Detroit I'm sure.
The internal competition in the Chinese market is much more intense than that in the American market. This full competition makes the products of every car manufacturer and supplier evolve rapidly and iteratively, not only in terms of progressiveness technology, but also in terms of aesthetics, economy, reliability and charging convenience. If anyone believes that China is excessively subsidizing, it is ignoring that the second most subsidized car company in China is Tesla China, which is wholly owned by the United States.
That was the small price that they had to pay to get Tesla manufacturing in China, so that they could learn and benefit from its technology. Without that, it would have taken a few more years to accelerate to this point.
Another great video from Autoline with CareSoft.
I like the snack tray in front of the driver on the Zeeker. Great place for chips and dip!
Wow, Autoline’s got the hook up! I thought I’d never get to see those things over here. No wonder the legacies are so worried… they should be.
You rooting for traitors? Wow
It's not the legacies that are worried it's the Americans that are going to get destroyed our freedom will be gone the jobs will be gone and we will become a third world country.
If they didn't make so much in Chinese factories, that they then copied, the legacies wouldn't have anything to worry about
As a part maker.. not really, kiddo.
Byd and others rely on welfare, and i also make tesla parts... majority is robot made now.. tesla, and honda parts especially... Many from there rely on welfare to artificially make the prices lower than elon... triple what elon gets
Byd copied tesla and used 3 billion plus a year of EV welfare to artificially lower prices, hence why you know about them
Oh. Just realize they got fully specs XPengG6, it comes with usable full FSD back in China and keep evolving. I just booked one test drive tomorrow to find out how it performed.
Poor American reivewers, throwing their opinions randomly, while in the comments section, tons of real users of Chinese cars are already so satisfied with their cars owned a long time.
This is terrifying. The looks and sighs on these guys faces says it all.
even the chespest combustion car in america the mitsubishi mirage g4 is better than any of these turds and that is fact.
@billybobbob3003 the name billybob checks out
@@billybobbob3003 lol, you keep thinking that...
@@maindimon cheaper to buy, cheaper to insure,cheaper to repair its superior to any of these pieces of sh1t fact of life.
@@billybobbob3003 right....
It's good to see competitions and have an open mind of what things to come....
When our government restrict on a products from another country; however, that products are sold worldwide...which are the threat the government interest but not to the peoples.
China is a such competitive market in terms of EV car brands. Those brands have been selected by the market no matter in quality, price, functions and maintainess service r way way better than anyother brand u could possibly imagine.
The thing I most enjoy about my 2024 Model Y dual motor is when I step on the Go pedal it goes, right now, no hesitation just GO. It is hard to watch a video and see what these cars are doing when John hits the pedal, but I didn't see any of them appear to respond similar to the Y. The $56,000 car was the least impressive, the $32,000 car clearly the best value, but with the Tesla and the $7500 tax break bringing it in at ~$37,000, still my first choice. Double the other prices with a 100% tariff and they become totally irrelevant; even 25% tariff was overkill for these prices.
By the way,The sales of these three cars are very poor in its market segmentin in China，Not bad, but very bad. Xpeng's actual price in China starts at $25,000.
Because they are not even testing the top 10 best Chinese EV models/brands in here or they would have their ego hurt a lot more.
But the G6 is very capable, it's just a marketing problem and it's seriously underestimated.
Most of these cars having a slugglish sales number in China is mainly due to poor pricing (too high).
I live in Canada and I hope we don’t put huge Tariffs on Chinese made vehicles. I have a Tesla but in order to transition from fossil fuel to electric cheaper options would help. Thanks good video!
Chinese cars and trucks and SUVs and Vans are already sold in the Philippines . I think I saw a Korean Hyundai IONIC 5 EV being tested and sold there, price @3.068- Million Pesos ( 2wd)was way more than it would be in Canada or the USA
Australia is getting a lot of Chinese cars lately due to RCEP trade agreement
you want more jobs exported from canada?
@@JD-yx7be Toyotas and Honda's are Made and assemble in Ontario Canada, but I'm sure we are a net IMPORTER of vehicles, from Mexico, USA , Japan and S Korea and the EU, and USA probably biggest beneficiary of them all , oh Honda and Canadian Federal and Ontario Govts just signed a deal for Allston factory expansion for BEV and battery production
It doesn't matter what Canada does or wants. If the US shuts out Chinese cars, Canada must follow. Most of the world's car markets safety standards are harmonized under various NCAPs: EuroNCAP, ChineseNCAP, Latin America NCAP, Korean NCAP, Australian NCAP etc. So a Chinese designed car will not require much modification to be sold in Europe, or Australia, or Mexico for that matter (since you can buy BYDs and other Chinese cars right now in Mexico). Canadian safety regulations however are harmonized with the American FMVSS standards, which would require more modification in order to be compliant.
What this means is that a car would only be sold in Canada if the carmaker already took the time and money to make it US compliant. Nobody is going to do all that just the sell a car in the much smaller Canadian market. But since the US put on these tariffs to block the Chinese carmakers to enter the US market, then that also means they won't be selling in Canada either. The only exception would be Volvo, since they do sell in the US, which means they can then also sell those US compliant cars in Canada.
What's taking us so long to get digital side view cameras to be legal in the US?
I don't know why we can't yet, my Honda Accord has a camera on the right side mirror. When signal right, it shows the view and blind spot on the monitor.
Thank you for fixing the mix with audio now centered and not L and R like the prior interview.
As a Chinese, I think the car that these two guys test drive is not a top class Chinese car at all.
Here are my top Chinese cars:
1. AITO M9, a brand jointly developed by Huawei and Seres, is renowned for its autonomous driving technology, intelligent cockpit, and comfortable driving experience. It features an extended range hybrid powertrain, a comprehensive range of 1400km, a price of $70000, and monthly sales of 16000 vehicles.
2. Yangwang U8, BYD's high-end brand, is known for its powerful body quality and hybrid technology. It can achieve stationary U-turns, emergency floating, and high-speed tire blowouts without rollover. It has 1200 horsepower, a price of $150000, and sells 1000 vehicles per month.
The Zeeker gets an instrument cluster. The Volvo XC30 doesn’t 🥹
The Zeeker not only has an instrument cluster but also a HUD, which the EX20 has neither.
I read somewhere that the Zeekr brand is going to be an Upscale brand in the Geely group who also owns Lotus, and others like Proton, budget line?
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That’s what I’ve heard. But then they released the Zeekker for less money than people originally thought it was going to be.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi We have the Zeekr 001 here in Scandinavia, it's absolutely fantastic. Test driven once, love it. Would get that instead of a Polestar.
@@JonasDavidsson Prior to Covid an American blogger toured the new Zeekr factory and got a test drive, that factory was said to be capable of 200,000 +units/ yr production, I'd like to know what Geely has in store for the Proton brand, Lotus I believe will be the sports and upscale SUV line, the Black London Cab looks nice too.
Great video thanks for sharing with us. Will be very interesting what happens by 2030 and the future beyond. What a time to be alive for this car revolution
Japanese Auto dreading that day -( 2030)
Nice work John and team.
Great to see John's feedback on synthetic engine noises, in situ.
@@davidmenasco5743 I know I do not care for the fake sounds and fake shifter things some companies are doing.
Media intentionally use 'cheap' to describe Chinese EV - because it sounds lousy. But they are actually good & reasonable value, no cheap : )
You guys put out the best videos, first impression reviews. Love that you drove the Y first to set up a baseline. I feel Zeekr is the one to watch.
Would it be feasible to rent a race track for a day to see how much range these EVs really have?
2nd this question above
Why would you want to run these EVs full out around a racetrack when no one is ever going to do that in the real world? 🤔
@@TheMadmax0609 people do that all the time in the taycan, model 3 performance, ioniq 5 N
@@TheMadmax0609 To find out how far they go at exact highway speed without interference, no go flat out.
They'll have the EPA guidance for that and it won't really be a valid test until they are true import models consumers can buy.
This is why china cant import. years a head of any western auto. byd dolphin would be huge here. also, these are first gen! they have the ability to change up design and tooling fast now. gm ford are in the stone age.
Years ahead of Western auto on what tech? There is nothing in those cars that any other maker could not produce. It is those things at the cost that is the interesting part. However, since the Chinese government is supplementing the build costs of these cars the (Avatar 12 is actually a government car) and Western governments don't/won't subsidize manufacturers, the fact that these cars have X amount of tech for such lower costs is in no way a valid comparison metric.
@@who2u333Tesla is subsidized by 12 billion in 2023 alon from tax credit 🤔
@@who2u333 what do you think the US emissions credit scheme or EV tax rebates are?
@@who2u333 "Western governments don't/won't subsidize manufacturers" Well, what the hell the Inflation Reduction Act is then? And a report said U S was #1 in subsidies in the world in 2023.
@@who2u333 They have way better software and better quality for a lower price.
Thanks for the comparison! Any details on the conversions used? For example, are all four cars using the China EPA range numbers or is it a mix of US/China (which are quite different)? Are prices China prices or a mix of US/China with some conversions?
The prices for the Chinese vehicles would be Chinese ones as they are not for sale in the US. Might be able to get them in Mexico
Probably Chinese prices and WLTP mileage which is optimistic , add 10 to 15% for US type EPA. The next generations coming from Geely and BYD who both claim the best in efficiency will be fun to watch.
It is the price in China. For comparison, the Tesla Model 3 standard range is around 30K USD in China, if not less.
Is the Cadillac LYRIQ selling in the US now? As I know, the platform that the GM called Ultium used on that car is very similar to the Xingyun platform designed by the SAIC.
Where are the NIO and ONVO offerings? These care competitive and have battery swap too!
The Zeeker and the Volvo ex30 are built on the same platform.
Which Swedish doesn’t contribute much.