My mechanic considers my 2005 VW Passat a luxury car. Like sure it's above the Jetta and shares a platform with an Audi A4 but it's far from luxury. It's like calling a Honda Accord luxury because it's above the Civic.
If you roll into a shop with a 10 year old used BMW, your mechanic will know right away you're not wealthy. If he acts like he thinks you are, he's pulling your chain.
@@MrBezyBez I have an 05 1.8T 4motion Passat wagon. I'd say it is essentially a luxury vehicle. Full leather interior, massive amounts of interior space especially if it's a wagon, good build quality, it drives like a luxury car thanks to its shared platform with the A4 (especially if you have AWD), and many luxurious options/trims were available compared to other VW vehicles of the time including the very unique (and supposedly very annoying and expensive to service) W8 engine. It was definitely a step above the accord you mention and the pricing matches this, the passat base model started at around the same msrp as the top of the line accord available at the time, and the most expensive passat model with the W8 was almost twice the cost of the base model Passat. Of course it is also 20 years old now, so most newer cars are gonna seem more luxurious in many ways.
I used to work as a technician at jag/landrover in the UK, I can tell you from experience, the "Annoying electrical issues" on range rovers are not just "annoying", We had a '09 sat in the shop for a month getting diagnosed with a different electrical issue every day, It was bricked and wouldn't even turnover. Until one day a "red sheet" comes in and they swap the whole transmission, I was an apprentice at the time working under the diagnostic and electrical guy, Probably one of the most depressed people I've worked with, Scrolling through 160 error codes on a laptop and guessing what the real issue could be was hard for the guy with years experience working with the cars, I doubt if you buy a especially bad example you'd actually fix it. That was an especially bad example, But it was common range rovers came in with electrical faults that would be in the shop for close to a week while the whole interior had to come out to check wiring harnesses and old corroded connectors, Seems the problem is mainly daignostics though, One wire goes bad you get 20+ faults. one fuse burns out you get the same. So it can be a simple fix, its just luck. Also the amount of special tooling jag/landrover uses is just diabolical there are some mechanical issues you just wont fix as a home mechanic if you're not pulling engines or can find the tooling.
Thing is with Landrovers is if you get a good one they're actually brilliant. Its just that they're not as common as the bad ones and there's no way of telling if it's going to be bad or not, just pure luck.
I have had a 2013 BMW 640i for about 7 years. got it used with 20k miles on it and for 7 years I put 80k miles on it and for the first time in 7 years I had to replace the water pump (which I did myself). I only had to do maintenance and replace flat tires from road garbage. other than that this car has been a gem. It's been so good that when I get a new car, I might buy another one.
640i uses the N55 engine which is one of the more reliable engines bmw have produced. They should've mentioned this. Anyone who knows anything about bmws knows 640i > 650i
LOL Not buying anything with Range on the front that runs & drives… Put the crack pipe down… period. The Transmissions are horrible… Jags Right in line behind or in front of Maserati & Range Rover. Turbos go Out on Jags all the time…
Ye it really feels like they’re kinda out of content and just wants to create drama. As with all of these cars, dont buy the first model years, there’s a reason why they’re half the price of the facelift
at 5:00 "because it is Nissan, you will get the latest in tech" yet they show a none-digital guage cluster + very small infotainment display + 144p resolution cameras
As head tech at a euro specialist shop I have a saying for all my customers. "While the car depreciates, the maintenance and repairs do not". I personally have an S65 with the hydraulic ABC suspension. Even with me taking care of it, parts are OEM only and expensive!
3 weeks ago I bought a mint 2014 Prius for only $1k to use as a commuter instead of pushing my heavily modified Tacoma towards 200k. It was the best financial car decision I ever made. Sometimes it just pays off being very nice to your retired neighbors.
Wow, that's a steal. I thought buying my friend's '12 CT200h for $4,000 in early 2020 was a good deal. Driven it 45,000 miles and will probably be able to hit 200,000 next year or the next.
NICE!! In 2020, I managed to get my hands on an '02 camry for $2,000. it needed some minor repairs, but after those were done, it drives like new. It still passed emissions testing even with 240k mi., and a catatlytic converter with no internals left(it has 2 cats). Still gets 30+mpg.
I rented a room from a guy who bought a Mercedes SL600 v12 hard top convertible for 5k when he bought the house. after he bought it, the guy gave him a maintenance folder (good sign) and the receipts so far were OVER 100,000 DOLLARS. Msrp was like 130k , this car had 230k into it for 153k miles RIDICULOUS.
Yup. That's a Mercedes for ya. I work at a Mercedes dealership, and ever since being there about a month, I tell everyone I know to stay the fuck away from them.
@@Jeremy-kg1zrpost-2013-ish I would agree. The W212 E-class from 2010-14 was tremendous, one of the last good ones. 2014 and above is unreal how poor they're built. Peak Mercedes (80's into early 90's) was absolutely special, I consider them some of the best vehicles made in history - especially the diesel variants.
@@SDE90 I'd mostly agree. I much prefer teh older ones. 90s and 2000s Mercedes feel better to drive than the newer ones. They've become obsessed with just trying to pack at least a few new senseless electronic bullshit things in every year. It's interesting to run the VIN on cars coming in for service. Never more than a recall or two on a 2012 or earlier model, that's been around for 20yrs+. I'm shocked if anything from the 2020s doesn't have at least 5 recalls already. And don't Ever make the mistake of owning a modern Mercedes out of warranty. Ooof...
@@SDE90 Friend of mine is big into mercs and keeping them alive, he said you get to a point with the older vs newer ones where it becomes rust repairs vs electronic repairs. We both agreed, a good rust repair can be done by any competent person. An electronics repair with dedicated devices, computers etc is increasingly difficult, especially when one merc mechanic told me this year, that the ml series/suvs have to be connected online at the dealership to be worked on LOL. So until the aftermarket is cracked/hacked to allow home repair with lower cost devices (like common bluetooth OBD readers of today), those cars are off the market for most home repair people wanting to save a buck.
The supercharged V-6 in the F-type is really reliable. It has one common coolant leaking issue that requires the supercharger to be removed to replace the part, but nothing a backyard mechanic couldn't do. And if it's already been replaced with the updated part or a metal one, issue solved. I have the same engine in my Jaguar XF and I've never had an issue.
As someone who's owned that era of Land Rover, run far, far away. Those "electrical issues" basically mean every electronic component in the vehicle is going bad constantly, and because it's a Range Rover there's a LOT of electronic components and gizmos. The air suspension is iffy at best, and be prepared to constantly be replacing control arms and brakes. Oh, and did I mention the 14 MPG? Hope you like spending most of your paycheck on gas. The L322 is more reliable than a P38 (the prior generation), but that's a bar so low worms can get over it. The Jaguar engine era Range Rovers are supposed to have more reliable engines, but those BMW-era engines are really, really sketchy. And those "vacuum leaks" they talk about with the Bentley are why it's so cheap. Specifically, one vacuum line behind the engine that is used to control the turbos, and is notorious for getting brittle and shattering. The only way to fix that is, as they say, to move one or two things out of the way. Unfortunately, that one thing is the entire front subframe, and that's at Bentley mechanic prices. Be prepared to spend more on fixing that issue than you paid for the car.
@@SDE90nah, you all are over exaggerating things because the internet loves to do that. the main fault that this era of land rovers have is battery voltage related electronic issues. the 4.4 Jaguar sourced AJ engine is one of the most reliable engines made in the 21st century, I challenge you to look online and find me any common catastrophic faults the 4.4 has. they do not have timing chain issues, (updated strong tensioners) they have an MLS headgasket which can sustain very high temperatures before damage from a coolant leak, well designed coolant system, nothing outside of regular maintenance, I regularly see them on marketplace with 300k miles. these cars are very good to own, the air suspension is not that complex, and you all regurgitating the same legends simply makes it easier to find good long lasting examples.
most of these things you mention are the nature of any SUV, land cruisers also eat through suspension, brakes, and get horrendous gas mileage. you’re exaggerating the electrical problems, it’s not that unusual compared to other cars. the air suspension is also fairly simple and inexpensive, most of the times the original air bags are still fine 20 years later, they can go through compressors which is the most common air suspension issue and very easy to access/inexpensive. people want to feel “smart” by limiting themselves to certain cars when majority of these issues are common old car issues and wildly exaggerated.
I bought a 17k used bmw 550i V8 twin turbo 2012 model with 87000 miles on it (manual transmission). In the last 2 years of ownership I've only done oil changes and fixed one leaking coolant pipe myself for 200 dollars in parts. Other than that I've driven it daily to work and had no issues at all. I'm trying to get the n63 high score, it crossed 100k miles problem free.
The only gran turismos with an automated manual were the MC stradales and a few other special low quantity models, the vast majority of GT had the zf automatic torque converter box which is very reliable, the GT was probably one the more reliable expensive luxury coupe from europe of that era, not too fast but not that problematic to own 😅
Agreed 💯. Owned my 2013 since 2017. Purchased for $57k from dealer. Annual oil change etc is around $550. Other than that, if you drive it like an adult, it will provide you with constant enjoyment.
And that exhaust note is intoxicating! Friend sold his pristine GT w/ the automated manual for fear of imminent failure, but I lusted after that car every time it pulled out of the parking lot! 🤣
I drove a 2006 Bentley Continental Flying Spur for 7 years and bought it for only 40k at the time with 37k miles on it. I sold it for 29k eventually and other than regular maintenance the only thing that ever went wrong was the air suspension went out once. They REALLY are reliable and oh my god are they fun and comfortable. Plus it's actually doesn't get a bunch of the wrong attention because it was so understated.
@@miskatonic6210 11 grand for more than 7 years is all I lost on resale and maintenance was cheap. A lot of parts are VW and Audi so you can get the part number and pay a fraction for the sale thing. You just seem salty for whatever reason. Go get one and see what it's like rather than hating for no reason.
If you even search up that engine the first thing that will come up is it's ridiculous maintenance 😂 it's extremely expensive and only worth it if you have almost 10k every year to throw at it. You could build it to be more reliable but then are you better off just buying a better car at that point?
Just buy the jag or the cayman .. im gonna buy a cayman and then hopefully trough few years turn it into as close as possible to a gt4 with engine tunes and gt4 aero kits and wing .
Man, I doubt you'll like this answer, but if you want north of 400 hp and reliability go American. Camaros/Corvettes(at least pre C8) are just about the same basic engine design you have in a pickup, I have a 2013 corvette with the LS3 and TR6060 6 speed(T-56 Magnum sort of, bit lighter duty in a couple ways that the T-56 magnum spec). People may scoff at pushrods, but I can go from 0-186 or so MPH in one gear, yeah the red line is lower but the torque curve is wide and forgiving.
Bought a 650i convertible used. Around 38,000 miles on it. Actually, got a lot of complements. BUT, N63 nicked named the hot v, puts the twin turbs in the valley of the v8 block. This had a tendency to dry rot the hoses, keeps the turbos in a hot environment, which caused catastrophic engine failures. I had zero issues with the engine for the time I owned the car. Likes to eat oil so you are adding oil in between changes. But the reason I sold the car was the electronics issues. I had the radio reset on me twice, but the alarm would go off randomly. The only way that you could turn the alarm off was to have the key fob open the driver's door and start the car. Turn it back off did not arm the alarm and fifteen minutes later its going off. Do the same things. Alarm wouldn't go off again until the next night. Then the next day while at work. After a couple months a couple oil changes and fearing for the doom of the motor I had enough and traded that car in. For a Cadillac ATSV!
For the first 100k miles of a bmw, it’s drivers car After that point, it’s the mechanics car edit: not all the bmw guys replying about their 15 year old cars with a bajillion miles lmao. My civic will out last you all!
As someone who drove a 2016 650i for a few years, I would agree. I dumped it at 99k miles knowing my extended warranty was about to end because there was NO way I was paying the prices I was watching the warranty pay to fix even minor things. Also this video is right, it's a fast car but you don't feel any of it. It was boring.
I have a 2014 M6. Zero maintenance costs except for scheduled maintenance (which MUST be performed). Very reliable, well-made and beautiful car. However, I paid $70k for it back in 2016. Make sure that all maintenance has been done.
the n63 will blow up but if you really and I mean really maintain her right sure but boy I will NEVER buy one with a lot of owners or susliy maintained
Yes great car!! I have the 21014 M6 coupe and its been a dream... it had an issue once with the aircon system that was 6k to fix at the dealership but nothing else has happend to it... just need to change 4 tires every 15k miles... not too bad really... also the engine is surprisngly thrifty as it shuts off 4 cylinders when you're not in sport mode... best BMW i've ever had!
What was the aircon issue? Investigating a problem in my F06. System was filled last year and sucker just blows hot air despite audible ac compressor. Also I have a loud blower fan on when set to high airflow so was thinking about it.
I have an '09 Porsche Cayenne GTS. The original sticker was $83k, but I got it a few years ago for $17k - I love how luxury cars depreciate! I save $$$ by doing my own work - I've had to change the water pump, thermostat, idler pulleys, and tensioner when the serpentine belt broke (my bad) - and I now am changing the CV axle (actually doing whole front end while I'm in there, as it will be a lot easier to do it all at once - control arms, tie rod ends, sway bar link). Even so, that only amounts to about $500 / year, which is not terrible - and this car is designed to be worked on. I do not like the 14MPG from the V8 - but it is a fun car, both on the track (with summer tires) and on logging roads in the snow in MT (with snow tires).
I was on the lookout for an M5, then came across a SL55 AMG. Bought it... broke down after 50 miles. Thank God...I had sweet talked the owner for a 200 miles, 5 days personal warranty (he agreed because I was in college). Finally settled with a 3500 bucks outback (yes I was in Colorado).
2:04 As an owner of a maserati from 2005, which has the same trans as the 08, the f1 trans just needs to be treated right, only shifting in the manual mode, putting it in neutral if you are at a long red light, and taking your foot off the accelerator when shifting, ive done most of the work to this car with my dad and weve had a blast driving it. the time spent working on it pays off in the end trust me. the sound, the high rpms, it all results in a beautiful car. i haven't heard of anyone spending 5k unless they take it to maserati and treat it like a toyota. its a high performance italian car with its quirks and that should be considered when buying one
My coworker Cummins came from range Rover in new jersey. His dealer was one of the importers. He would talk about the cargo ships that would show up with new cars that were driven on, that has to be towed off because they had too many codes to fix in the docks. He always said it was 10 to 20 percent
this is silly, most range rovers of this era do not have common random electrical issues, they are almost always due to surface level battery drain, clueless mechanics try to figure out every code when nothing is actually wrong, they are known for this and the fix is as easy as giving it a charge/regular use. this makes sense that during the shipping process there is lack of use. this is true for any electrically complex luxury car, the electronics themselves aren’t magically filled with gremlins, they use the same wires as anything else, but they are dependent on a very healthy topped up battery
As a F10 M5 owner, I would specify that yes the N63 is the one they are talking about, the later years 2014 and up are N63TU and most of these issues were fixed. Go with the 2014+ M6 or M5 instead it has the S63TU which all issues have been solved and engines are more reliable with the cars hitting 120k miles often. Only draw back is you are not willing to do the maintenance yourself (oil changes, spark plugs) then yes dont get it as you will get ripped off by stealerships.
This is pretty spot on. I had a 2013 N63 650i Gran Coupe for a couple years and it was definitely a money pit. O2 sensors going bad left and right, turbo coolant lines leak, LDP leak, replaced water pump, etc. and while I loved the car just couldn't justify the maintenance for it. Ended up selling it to Carvana in 2021 and made a couple grand off of it.
When I was in high school kids in their bmws laughed at me for driving in a Corolla, parents bought them a older model used bmw. One of their cars started smoking one day after school as I passed by them and it felt amazing as they watched me go by.
I've owned my 2015 BMW 650xi Gran coupe for 6 years. Still no serious mechanical issues. I've replaced a single o2 sensor. And a driveshaft bushing. Car still rides incredibly smooth and is a beast on the highway
As a Brit, can fully confirm Range Rover. Always seeing them broken down, even the new ones while I'm flying past in a 20 year old E46 touring with 200k being smug as hell.
The amg c63 headbolt problem was remedied halfway thru 2011. The problem was they were allen head leaving little material between the bolt and socket on the head of the bolt. They then updated to hex head bolts i do believe. Its a good buy. Watch alexs videos over it on his channel legit street cars. He used to be a mercedes tech. Ive learned alot watching his videos.
I replaced the Headbolts in my 2010 C63; really wasn't that hard. Granted, don't do it buy yourself, I had two friends help me, but it still took at most 4-5 Hours. The C63 AMG is extremely underrated, and the Headbolt issue is overblown.
Actually the headbolts are not the biggest problem. I worked 2 Years for a 3rd Party Mercedes AMG Repair specialist, mercedes sometimes gave us their own contracts because not every mercedes dealer has amg specialists (which is overblown because any mechanic can work on a amg, theres nothing special why you would need training or charge 160€/hour for that lol). The Spur Gear and Camshaft adjustors and cams are toast at 130.000km at pretty much every M156 we got, when i worked there i did logistics and we were waiting around 3 months per 1 part, and before i left we waited 5 months until those parts were in stock again because there are no cams from mercedes anymore, theres a company which is producing them on order... The headbolt issue is a probability, the cam stuff is a certainty.
@@DarkSession6208 How can you tell those issues needed fixing, out of curiosity? I've had three (2012+) W204 C63s and one W205 C63 (now have a Lexus ISF, lol), and they were all dreams and had zero maintenance issues. Though they all only had 10-40k miles on them. I loved them dearly but also have car ADHD.
I have a 17 Jaguar XE that has that supercharged 3.0. Love the car it has over 90K now and as long as you swap some plastic coolant tubing with an aluminum kit(which is the coolant leak issues James mentioned) it’s proven to me it’s strong. I’ve been in love with my jag
i bought my m6 competition gran coupe 3 years ago. paid 50 flat in cash and havent had any major issues since. replaced a lot of baked rubber seals under some trim parts, broken LED door jam light, couple other interior bits, but overall i'd say its like 1200/yr ish in maintenance. Love the thing. Previous owner was super meticulous with it -- always on time with service but got it polished wayyyyyyyyyy too much to where the clear coat was destroyed so i did put like 6k into paint but don't really consider that to be the car's fault. again, comes down to how much money you have and how handy you are. for perspective, i make over a quarter million and do most of my car work myself but no way can i do engine-out at my place; so when that s63 does give me issues, i'll be spending 15-20 on a total rebuild since its gotta come out anyways for most major repairs.
@@pachasnft9954 if you want fun, get the m6. The s63 is much better built than the n63, but it will still cost in the long run. Otherwise, the N54 is more reliable (lmao) and widespread. I've got one in my z4 35is and maintenance is much cheaper. Only thing that i've had bust on that engine in about 6 years of ownership is the classic oil filter housing gasket so that was like 1400 in parts (did belt, pulleys, and hoses too) and 3 weekends to get it done.
Bought an 07 550i BMW with 90k miles on it, had a code for cam shaft crankshaft correlation and some dark dark transmission fluid. I fully rebuilt the entire engine piece by piece with OEM BMW parts, rebuilt the ZF transmission piece by piece with all OEM parts, and after 1k miles the transmission went out of gear without any abnormal noises and hasnt been able to get back into gear since. Unfortunately taking it to a scrapyard in a few weeks. It was such an amazing journey but such an unfortunate ending. It had a 4.8L N62 V8. I didnt do any mods to the engine or transmission i just wanted a brand new drivetrain. First build ive ever done that drastically failed
My boy has that same BMW with hybrid turbos, a tune, and a few other mods and has been dead reliable. The key is being able to do some of the work yourself and/or having a good independent mechanic that doesn’t care if you bring parts (just don’t be cheap and compensate them). RUclips and forums are the gift that keeps on giving. Just don’t buy a car you can’t afford to repair or repair yourself.
Not gonna lie those Jaguars are very tempting. I look at the Fpace R, Ftype R, XJR, XFR all the time. supercharged v8 for 20k is very tempting. but if i really gave no fucks it would be an F10 BMW M5
I’ve seen so many 650i’s have issues, I’ve seen people spend $10k plus on issues when they come in the shop. Some of the biggest issues are the comfort access door handles internally short and blow the fuse which is also the fuse for the abs module. They all leak oil, even when you think you’ve fixed the leak they’ll leak from some where else. Turbo coolant lines are a headache and a 10hr job alone that’s really common. Valve stem seals are so common bmw has a class action against them for it and recently I’m starting to see the fuel pumps and modules going out intermittently causing random no starts or rough running issues. IF you have to buy an F12 6 series DO NOT get the 650i for your wallets sake. Get the 640i with the N55 it’s the same interior and body with a more reliable engine
@@trd- not that I’ve seen, they are a newer car and have the updated version of the n63 in them so they don’t have really many issues. All the ones I’ve seen seem to be pretty solid
I got a 07 Alpina B7 for 20k and dropped 15k for a new motor. Still the best and fastest car I have ever had. Could have bought a Hellcat but no one has these and it's unique.
I bought a $10k BMW 550i. It has the highly problematic N63TU. The only reason I was comfortable buying it was because the dealer said they'd give me a warranty. Which has come in handy five times in the two years I've had it. It's had well over $10k worth the mechanic bills already. It's a great and fun car, but do not buy one without a warranty.
Wrong about the head bolts in the C63. I used to own a 2012 and from 2012-2015 AMG fixed the problem and there was a recall for the head bolts. The problem was the head bolts were just made incorrectly. It’s an amazing engine. You guys make it sound like it has a major problem.
Got a 2013 320i 60k miles and only thing i needed to do was turbo oil feed line And all cars with timing chain should be checked every 9 yrs so while your checking just replace it Non issue
Donut guys - we love you. But there's a lot of misinformation with the Maserati and Gran Turismo in general. it takes less than 5 minutes to Google that most first Gen Gran Turismos have ZF 6 speed autos in the US. It's a torque converter automatic so there's no clutch replacement. The people that own or have owned the "first Gen" 2008-2013 Quattroporte and Gran Turismos know that they are actually extremely reliable. I owned an 08' QP and daily'd it for 3 years. Covered 40k+ miles and never replaced anything other than normal consumables, and 1 window regulator. Don't get a duo select, and don't get an MC shift car and enjoy trouble free driving with one of the best sounding V8's to ever grace the earth.
Yeah, I’ve repeatedly looked into getting one, and basically the only rule you have to follow is to stay away from that ‘F1’ automated manual. The ZF is perfectly reliable (as are most ZF transmissions)
another big problem with them land rovers is they have a small battery behind the dash for those certain electrical issues if that little battery dies (which it does roughly every 6 months) we have to remove the ENTIRE dash just to get access to it
In 2019, I bought a $10K 2006 Porshe Cayenne with only 27K miles, and I love it. So far, only routine maintenance. Last month, I bought a 05 Audi A6 with only 32K miles for $8.5K, and I love it!!!! Both cars have clean titles!!! If you do your homework and follow routine maintenance you find some great bargains out there.
Same here bro, I’ve had mine since 38k and just hitting 60k and it’s been a dream. Biggest “problem” so far was loose oil pan bolt that made me have a slight leak which was obviously an easy fix
we know someone who has put 125k miles on a 2014 Maserati GT convertible with zero issues. He drives it every day and mostly on the freeway. The guys at the dealer said daily driving them and pushing it is what makes them last
My bmw 6 series has given me no major issues after owning it for 5 years from 7k miles to 120k. Its been tuned since 50k miles as well, maintenance is KEY.
@@dandean3871 Uhhh, yeah, that's a Lot of driving. I'm always blown away when people come into the shop and have 100k on a car that's only 5yrs old. I feel like I spend a lot of time driving in my daily life and I think I put less than 8k on my car last year. I know that's below average for our driving obsessed country, but 20k/yr... WOW.
As a rural resident of Missouri, that BMW was not beat up, I call that luxury, for comparison, I drive a 1998 mercury grand marquee LS, I LOVE that car.
Back in the mid 2000s I wanted a v8 awd and I didn't have enough money to buy new. There were a ton of audi a8s for under 5 k with just over 100k miles on them. It turns out that around 125k the transmission would go out like clockwork and cost more than the car was worth to fix
surface level kumbaya mentality, people in the real world can appreciate nice things without basing an entire opinion on someone because of it, that’s when it becomes a materialistic friendship. big difference. if you have car friends you would understand .
@@h7pubghalf of the “car guys” I know are broke and have no business owning more than 1 car. Unless you are a mechanic you shouldn’t care about cars till yours is paid off, your house is paid off and you have a decent emergency fund with big cash reserves. “Car guy” archetype is code for: I’m too stupid to interpret financial jargon so bought an old car to try to look cool.
@@stephenasmith273 cry about it. , you limit yourself to boring things in this short life and use “sensibility” as an excuse to cope with it. you think choosing to drive boring tupperware makes you “better” because you’re “smarter” sad really. i’d rather be friends with a broke car guy with a passionate hobby than a karen with your mentality. are you even capable of having fun?
the headbolt issue on the C63 was found out to be only 2% of the engines. now the camshaft phasers and such are definitely bound to be needing repairs and they fixed that issue on the 2012+ models
Owned a TT, Boxster, Cayman, 997 4S, C63, by far the Maserati Granturismo with the ZF was the car with the least mechanic visits, most elegant, beastly presence and sounds symphonic.
They said they didn't even look anything up for the Maserati they just know it's bad... lol donut is becoming a clown show. These Maserati Granturismo only have 2 problems and they are preventable. Well 3 problems if you have the F1 not ZF.
I love my w204 c63! That said the M156 head bolt issue applies to ALL M156 equipped vehicles before sometime in 2011. All M156 cars 2012 or later do not have any worry about the head bolt issue
People sometimes call me a fake car guy...but having worked in car sales, car insurance adjusting, car logistics...I cannot look at fancy cars without simply seeing the "long term" costs of everything. Every single "fancy" bit on your car...is a $5K (if not more) nightmare waiting to happen. It was a consistent trend when I was writing cars, adding a piece to my software and my jaw-dropping, thinking "Holy crap...that piece costs how much!?". I can appreciate fancy cars, and some people who have the money/time/interest to dedicate to keeping them serviced and running properly...but 90% of these cars are "eyes too big for stomach" purchases and end up being absolutely thrashed and abused. While I have the money to go and buy something nice...I just stick to simple, low-end, manual transmission cars, and let the other people spend the big bucks :D
yup the 6 figure people are playing another game entirely. I dont personally see the need to go over into the "high end" part of line ups other than just a badge at that point. I mean are there actual enthiusasts out there that LOVE their RR if you took all the badges off? Maybe but you look at the mid range stuff like the M3 or S4's or C Class and you see people that dont care about he brand but about the actual product itself and how fun it is every day and who shake their fist when something breaks but lovingly spend those dollars to fix it
2012 550i xdrive w that same n63 v8 twin turbos. Hit sportmode and it goes. Change it with liquid molly molygen oil and change the T fitting for the turbo coolant line to brass. Some minor repairs like spark plug and coilpack. It's solid car
Thank you for your content. I cant believe the luck. I was going to order a air ride suspension from your store today for my 2012 Maserati GranTurismo S, but your review was so incorrect and totally not the experience I have had with my car for the last 4 years. The automatic does not have a clutch only the z manual transmission does, so you do not have to change a clutch pack out in the auto. I live in Alaska and have driven my car 70k miles back and forth from California to Anchorage on the Alaska Hwy, twice now. I will say the Ak Hwy is the best video game ever and the reason why I bought a touring car that in some places I have reached 185 mph. And time tracked my best 150 mph speed for 12 mins in cruise control. Its is so reliable I have added many formula dynamic aftermarket parts to for because this car costs me nothing to maintain. It does 4.6 s in the 1/4mile not 5.0, it has been tuned to 500 hp with simple add on stage1 controller, exhaust mods, air intake and sport cats. I added upgraded sway bars, lowering springs and hub centric spacers. Cheapest car I have ever owned for the power and performance plus the reliability. I do all the upgrades and oil changes, dif oil change, new brakes, plus the 50k tune-up service myself in my garage, and I am no mechanic. V8's are easy to work on and this car is so simple to maintain. So next time talk to real owners who have the cars and drive them hard like they should to get good facts. Sorry but I will get my air ride direct from manufacture. l
WOW 4.6 sec quarter mile! 5 seconds stock quarter mile times?? Plaid Tesla is what 9.3? Why isn't anyone talking about this? How did Ferrari not notice that this was over twice as fast using Ferrari innards?
5 years ago.57 Hemi Grand Cherokee 2008 for 1500.00 with a dented passenger rear door bought for150.00 from the scrap yard right clolour bolted it on . Truck looks perfect runs great other than change the oil It cost me nothing to own now.
You can actually fix the headbolt issue on the C63 with a kit by changing them for what is used on later model year cars. which doesn't have the issue.
I had a 204 C63... It was a certified pre-owned which I bought at a Mercedes dealership (here in Germany) and the headbolt-issue had already been adressed. During my ownership it was pretty bulletproof, didn't have to anything apart from yearly services. Of course, it wasn't a cheap car to run, drank lots of gas and ate lots of tires, but that was to be expected. Personally I'd put it into the dream-car column for sure.
2007 E63 wagon owner here. The M156 head bolt issue is overblown. Mechanic has inspected the factory head bolts and found them to be fine. Valvetrain wear issue is overblown too, my oil analysis are still perfection at over 100,000 miles. What people don't talk about enough is the cost of a front brake job. Those 2 piece rotors are insanely expensive. Also it eats rear tires but that is the driver's fault.
Nah. I work at a Mercedes dealership. They all eat tires. I can't count the number of times a mom comes in for a 10k service for her SUV and the tires aren't gonna make it to the next service. I'm shocked when I see a set of Mercedes tires make it to 30k.
Woop, 2008 Range Rover L322 3.6TDV8 owner here. I've been a fan of those cars for many years, so here are a few quick tips to get prospective buyers going. If you rather save a bit of cash than get the latest and greatest, get the 1st facelift, those are from 2006 - 2009. The fanciest are the 2nd facelift - from 2009 to 2012. The later one doesn't have anything that important in terms of extra features, it basically swaps some lights with LEDs, updates a bit the infotainment system, and adds keyless start. Considering how much more the 2nd facelift tends to cost, I'd say it isn't worth it. Either way, I recommend replacing the infotainment screen with 10" one, they are sold all over ebay / aliexpress / etc for about 400 USD and are straightforward to install. You'll get basically an android tablet that fits as if it was OEM, and it wireless Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. Makes the car feel a lot more modern in my opinion. If you want reliability and fairly cheap repairs, go for the 3.6 TDV8. It has good reputation and is the most common engine on the L322 so parts and mechanics that know them are fairly easy to find. The 4.4 TDV8 is the second best option, but if you need to rebuild / replace the engine - you'll probably have a bad time... Decent 3.6 engines can be found 2nd hand for about 2-3k USD, 4.4s go for two-three times more... at least in Europe, but that probably applies for everywhere because most L322 were sold with the 3.6 TDV8. That being said, the 2009-2012 4.4 TDV8 are the only ones that come with the 8 speed ZF, the rest of 1st & 2nd facelift come with a 6 speed ZF, which is pretty good and reliable to be honest, and it's not like the car is loud on the motorway / highway. Early models (up to 2006), like the BMW engine model mentioned in this video, come with a 5 speed transmission - avoid that, it's not good at all... Better to avoid all L322 that are pre facelift (before ~mid 2006). There are a few other engines available, the top of the line being the 5.0L supercharged petrol available from 2009 to 2012 (2nd facelift). Their major issue is with the timing chain, supposedly the tensioners give out and the engine dies if you don't catch it on time and fix it. With some preventative measures, they are supposedly fairly reliably considering the power output, but again - repairs ain't cheap on those. There are a few range rover specific forums out there, they are a great source of information. I recommend you start digging in those for tips on how to spot a good car before you start looking to buy one.
My dad had a 2012 650i convertible he bought in 2016. I loved that car, sounded great, incredibly comfortable, looked fantastic imo (black over saddle tan) and powerfully quick but not in a show-off way. Needed a lot of maintenance though--top had issues once, one of the wheels cracked, oil sensor problems... when the mechanic finally told him all the hoses etc. were looking like they needed to be replaced he sold it sight unseen to carvana at the height of that craziness for basically what he paid for it 😂
I had a 2012 and didn’t miss a beat in 2017, just a new switch. So in 2018 ordered a new one with just about all options. Was nothing but problems. 80k car and BMW in the end had to buy it back. I’ll never buy new again
I own i bmw 650ixdrive coupe its been super reliable only part i changed was the gas pedal $200 fix i also drive it hard you just got to keep up with the oil changes i do it once evrey 6 months
If you're looking for a L322 Range Rover , stick to something between 2007-2009, they had the Jaguar 4.4L V8 and the 4.2L Supercharged V8 engines. Both mated to a 6 speed ZF transmission. 2006 did have the same drivetrain but still had the some BMW issues like the earlier years. Avoid the 4.4L BMW engine in the earlier models with the 5 speed GM transmission and the 5L Jaguar V8 in the 2010+ models which had timing chain tensioner issues.
My dad bought a 2009 CLS 550 for $30k in 2013 when the MSRP was $90k new. The car is worth ~$4500 now and he had to spend a few thousand every other year to keep it working. He loved thing but its amazing how used luxury cars drain wealth.
The 650 Gran Coupe is probably the best looking BMW has ever made. Just a tune and downpipes and it's capable of mid 10s at 130MPH. Xdrive versions with a tune can do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds easy.
I used to drive the H2 stretch limousine back in the early 2000s. We got paid a lot extra to drive that thing, but it was so awful to drive, I preferred making less money and driving a regular stretch. For one thing, you couldn’t turn the front wheels unless it was actually in motion. It had power steering, it just didn’t work unless it was moving. Parking was awful. And God help you if you had to pick someone up in the Fairfax District on those little narrow streets. You basically could not turn. One cool thing was that if you were coming south on the 405 from the valley, when you got to the top of the hill in the Sepulveda pass, you didn’t have to touch the gas pedal again until you got down to Santa Monica Boulevard. Inertia man
@@redriver15262It’s a miracle drug that undoes decades of food industry satiation poisoning. I’m really happy for anyone who can get it! Be sure to check with compound pharmacies if you can’t afford the shelf injector prices (they’ll give it to you in a normal insulin syringe, so it’s not as convenient, but it’s the same medicine thanks to the shortage meeting the requirements to exempt it from IP protection).
(pls don't hate me I love gas cars as much) I bought a 2013 Tesla Model S P85 with a 2020 battery & free supercharging! It's proven to be able to do a crazy amount of miles over the years to come and saves me about 5K a year since I don't need to pay any road taxes here in the Netherlands. My daily commute is 2 hours of highway. So for the weekends I just bought a 2024 kawasaki Ninja ZX6R ;) This car is a perfect daily
Late 2000s E klasse is where it's at. My friend drives a 2008 E klass wagon, is the 4th owner, lives on the village, daily drives it on dirt road, pulling trailers with the eu hook... The thing is a monster
It's funny this video comes up the week that I'm swapping my 2019 Megane RS280 for a 2005 Porsche Boxter 987.1, the model notorious for potential IMS bearing failure, killing the engine. Potentially going from a money dip to a money pit
owned a 987 for well over a year, it was the cheapest one on all of autotrader and have checked it in for numerous services but the only issues it has is the seals which aren’t expensive to replace and some sunfaded paint on the driver side door, just need the holidays to come sooner to get that sorted. ims bearings are not an issue in the modern day, if it hasn’t broken 20 years down the line then it never will and your car is one of the examples not affected caymans and boxsters are absolute joys of a car, just get it inspected before purchase and you won’t regret owning these lovely budget friendly porsches
Ooof. What are you using up that’s 5k/year? Even if you’re changing oil on a very conservative every 3,000 miles, that’s still only ~4 changes for the average American, maybe at most $500. Filters, coolant, tranny fluid… let’s be super silly and imagine that adds up to another $500. Where is your other 4k going? Annual junk yard engine swaps???
i bought a 2011 CL550 with 11k original miles for $34k last year - original window sticker was $128k and just last week a 2013 S65 with 22k original miles for $43k ($230k original sticker) - had both PPI’d…neither needed a thing besides wiper blades and a new rear tires on the 65. Lots of great deals to be had if you do your due diligence.
All Maseratis depreciate like whoah! The ONLY thing remarkable about them (relative to their high price) is their engine sound(s). Save your 💰 and buy a high-end speaker.
I agreeeeeee: I bought a 650 from Carmax, and 2 month later, it had a bad Electronic Module failure, then it had several drive Terran errors, and it ended up costing 30K to fix, I swear, the dealer refused to fix it, CarMax refused to fix it, they said it’s better to sell it as salvaged but insurance refused the idea,
I love your nissan ads. Every single time I get to know a little bit more about their offerings which is so rare these days because Nissan is not feature in most channels.
I'll have to be financially stable in every sense before purchasing my first supercar. The best thing to do with your money is to invest rightly because money left saving will end up with no returns.
The best advice that i learned from Manny Koshbin is don't buy a Super or Hyper car until you have 10 times the price of it in your Bank account, when you purchase a Super car you add a car to your garage but u add also maintenance and unexpected damages that can happen in future
you don't need that much, as long as you have 250k to 350k in cash, and earn at least 40k plus is fine. It not like you are going to pay the car off, get the car, drive it for a year or two then get something else. You don't need millions of money to enjoy nice things. You just deploy a small amount of income to have some fun. Remember you are going to get this money back ( a good percentage) when you move it.
Certainly, You need to get a financial planner to aid diversify your portfolio to commodities index funds, digital assets etc, to provide illumination and guidance in the financial markets.
It's crucial for individuals to diversify their portfolios, seek professional financial advice, and stay informed about market trends to navigate these challenges effectively.
While the n63 is the early models of the 650xi had many issues, the n63tu resolved a lot of those issues. These vehicles require high maintenance, and were not meant for the budget consumer, go get a 328i if you want a BMW these cars are reserved for those that appreciate and can afford luxury. With all this said , this is why I optioned for the N55 640xi same car, better gas mileage, and a simple tune puts in the same power as the 650xi just without the glorious sound of course. In the 20,000 miles I have put in the car, I have not had any mechanical issues with my engine. Oil changes every 3k miles. The biggest complaint regarding the car is that since it is heavy you must get rid of the run flats, and it is low , so it is not easy on the pot holes. I am coming on some big maintenance items soon, but most expensive would have to be the adaptive suspension 2,200$, but then again this is not a Honda civic I am driving. Breaks necks every where I go even for a car that came out in 2017 (gran coupe model) and way better looking than these new buck tooth bmws.
a friend of mine actually had a s8 with over 500.000km, and he only got some minor electrical faults in 7 years of ownership. failed engine mounts and an oil leakage sealed its fate at the end.
Wanna impress your friends with a baller car on the cheap? Don't forget, if your friends think you're rich, so does the mechanic. 😂😂
My mechanic considers my 2005 VW Passat a luxury car. Like sure it's above the Jetta and shares a platform with an Audi A4 but it's far from luxury. It's like calling a Honda Accord luxury because it's above the Civic.
Excellent point 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🤣😂
If you roll into a shop with a 10 year old used BMW, your mechanic will know right away you're not wealthy. If he acts like he thinks you are, he's pulling your chain.
@@MrBezyBez I have an 05 1.8T 4motion Passat wagon. I'd say it is essentially a luxury vehicle. Full leather interior, massive amounts of interior space especially if it's a wagon, good build quality, it drives like a luxury car thanks to its shared platform with the A4 (especially if you have AWD), and many luxurious options/trims were available compared to other VW vehicles of the time including the very unique (and supposedly very annoying and expensive to service) W8 engine.
It was definitely a step above the accord you mention and the pricing matches this, the passat base model started at around the same msrp as the top of the line accord available at the time, and the most expensive passat model with the W8 was almost twice the cost of the base model Passat.
Of course it is also 20 years old now, so most newer cars are gonna seem more luxurious in many ways.
I have a close buddy of mine. Good thing he had 3rd party warranty. He bought it used. The warranty company ended up paying $24k in repairs
I used to work as a technician at jag/landrover in the UK, I can tell you from experience, the "Annoying electrical issues" on range rovers are not just "annoying", We had a '09 sat in the shop for a month getting diagnosed with a different electrical issue every day, It was bricked and wouldn't even turnover. Until one day a "red sheet" comes in and they swap the whole transmission, I was an apprentice at the time working under the diagnostic and electrical guy, Probably one of the most depressed people I've worked with, Scrolling through 160 error codes on a laptop and guessing what the real issue could be was hard for the guy with years experience working with the cars, I doubt if you buy a especially bad example you'd actually fix it.
That was an especially bad example, But it was common range rovers came in with electrical faults that would be in the shop for close to a week while the whole interior had to come out to check wiring harnesses and old corroded connectors, Seems the problem is mainly daignostics though, One wire goes bad you get 20+ faults. one fuse burns out you get the same. So it can be a simple fix, its just luck. Also the amount of special tooling jag/landrover uses is just diabolical there are some mechanical issues you just wont fix as a home mechanic if you're not pulling engines or can find the tooling.
Thing is with Landrovers is if you get a good one they're actually brilliant.
Its just that they're not as common as the bad ones and there's no way of telling if it's going to be bad or not, just pure luck.
160 error codes wtf??? i didn't even know cars had that many things to give error codes about
160.........I hope he still has some hair left cause I would've ripped all mine out
@monki2945 How bad are those f-types if you baby them? It's been a dream car for a while
@@matthewmckenney2247my friend has one . I recorded it on my channel. It’s effing breath taking
I have had a 2013 BMW 640i for about 7 years. got it used with 20k miles on it and for 7 years I put 80k miles on it and for the first time in 7 years I had to replace the water pump (which I did myself). I only had to do maintenance and replace flat tires from road garbage. other than that this car has been a gem. It's been so good that when I get a new car, I might buy another one.
640i uses the N55 engine which is one of the more reliable engines bmw have produced. They should've mentioned this. Anyone who knows anything about bmws knows 640i > 650i
2013 528i is solid and reliable as well
N55 its the most reliable bmw engine? What you are smoking? Its considered are garbage..only m57..n57 and b58 gen 1 are reliable
LOL Not buying anything with Range
on the front that runs & drives… Put
the crack pipe down… period. The
Transmissions are horrible… Jags
Right in line behind or in front of
Maserati & Range Rover. Turbos
go Out on Jags all the time…
Better be while only getting 10k a year
Note for the c63, they fixed the head bolt issue after the 2012 models.
Also note for gran Turismo they switched to ZF transmission on first facelift and the engine is more reliable
Now I REALLY want one, my late teenage year's wet dream
Ye it really feels like they’re kinda out of content and just wants to create drama. As with all of these cars, dont buy the first model years, there’s a reason why they’re half the price of the facelift
Range rover note. Turbo leaks, and charge tubes brake. Both jeremy and his friend both blew both turbos for same reason..
i dont know why they put it in the worst category when it`s literally a reliable car
this video is the car guy equivalent to "i can fix her"
Truth.
at 5:00 "because it is Nissan, you will get the latest in tech"
yet they show a none-digital guage cluster + very small infotainment display + 144p resolution cameras
as a bmw owner i can confirm i am a masochist
Because someone else doesn’t like the 6 series, it makes me wanna get one even more now
What a great comment
As head tech at a euro specialist shop I have a saying for all my customers. "While the car depreciates, the maintenance and repairs do not". I personally have an S65 with the hydraulic ABC suspension. Even with me taking care of it, parts are OEM only and expensive!
You saved me the trouble of posting about high line maintenance costs never decreasing.
What percentage do yall add on top of parts?
@rcooolwind OEM only ? Brake pads rotors as well ?
Bro u got an S65 thats not even a regular German they all expensive but not that expensive lol
They never answer @@Kingyayaa
3 weeks ago I bought a mint 2014 Prius for only $1k to use as a commuter instead of pushing my heavily modified Tacoma towards 200k. It was the best financial car decision I ever made. Sometimes it just pays off being very nice to your retired neighbors.
Wow, that's a steal. I thought buying my friend's '12 CT200h for $4,000 in early 2020 was a good deal. Driven it 45,000 miles and will probably be able to hit 200,000 next year or the next.
Sweet! Toyota Hybrids are incredible cars.
NICE!! In 2020, I managed to get my hands on an '02 camry for $2,000. it needed some minor repairs, but after those were done, it drives like new. It still passed emissions testing even with 240k mi., and a catatlytic converter with no internals left(it has 2 cats). Still gets 30+mpg.
Hello I’m just here
Damn, you lucky bastard. Congratulations
I rented a room from a guy who bought a Mercedes SL600 v12 hard top convertible for 5k when he bought the house. after he bought it, the guy gave him a maintenance folder (good sign) and the receipts so far were OVER 100,000 DOLLARS. Msrp was like 130k , this car had 230k into it for 153k miles RIDICULOUS.
Yup. That's a Mercedes for ya. I work at a Mercedes dealership, and ever since being there about a month, I tell everyone I know to stay the fuck away from them.
@@Jeremy-kg1zrpost-2013-ish I would agree. The W212 E-class from 2010-14 was tremendous, one of the last good ones. 2014 and above is unreal how poor they're built.
Peak Mercedes (80's into early 90's) was absolutely special, I consider them some of the best vehicles made in history - especially the diesel variants.
Yeah that ABC system is expensive
@@SDE90 I'd mostly agree. I much prefer teh older ones. 90s and 2000s Mercedes feel better to drive than the newer ones. They've become obsessed with just trying to pack at least a few new senseless electronic bullshit things in every year. It's interesting to run the VIN on cars coming in for service. Never more than a recall or two on a 2012 or earlier model, that's been around for 20yrs+. I'm shocked if anything from the 2020s doesn't have at least 5 recalls already. And don't Ever make the mistake of owning a modern Mercedes out of warranty. Ooof...
@@SDE90 Friend of mine is big into mercs and keeping them alive, he said you get to a point with the older vs newer ones where it becomes rust repairs vs electronic repairs.
We both agreed, a good rust repair can be done by any competent person. An electronics repair with dedicated devices, computers etc is increasingly difficult, especially when one merc mechanic told me this year, that the ml series/suvs have to be connected online at the dealership to be worked on LOL. So until the aftermarket is cracked/hacked to allow home repair with lower cost devices (like common bluetooth OBD readers of today), those cars are off the market for most home repair people wanting to save a buck.
The supercharged V-6 in the F-type is really reliable. It has one common coolant leaking issue that requires the supercharger to be removed to replace the part, but nothing a backyard mechanic couldn't do. And if it's already been replaced with the updated part or a metal one, issue solved. I have the same engine in my Jaguar XF and I've never had an issue.
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Had to replace that part on an XF at work. Not too horrible to do at all.
I loved my f-type S but do really need to listen to forums about fuel injectors failing and do preventative maintenance.
As someone who's owned that era of Land Rover, run far, far away. Those "electrical issues" basically mean every electronic component in the vehicle is going bad constantly, and because it's a Range Rover there's a LOT of electronic components and gizmos. The air suspension is iffy at best, and be prepared to constantly be replacing control arms and brakes. Oh, and did I mention the 14 MPG? Hope you like spending most of your paycheck on gas. The L322 is more reliable than a P38 (the prior generation), but that's a bar so low worms can get over it. The Jaguar engine era Range Rovers are supposed to have more reliable engines, but those BMW-era engines are really, really sketchy.
And those "vacuum leaks" they talk about with the Bentley are why it's so cheap. Specifically, one vacuum line behind the engine that is used to control the turbos, and is notorious for getting brittle and shattering. The only way to fix that is, as they say, to move one or two things out of the way. Unfortunately, that one thing is the entire front subframe, and that's at Bentley mechanic prices. Be prepared to spend more on fixing that issue than you paid for the car.
This for my feelings a little being a Land Rover owner😂
I was laughing so hard when they said "move a few things out of the way" - when probably 15 repairs on that engine are ENGINE OUT jobs 🤣
As soon as I heard them say they’d want the Land Rover I stopped respecting this video hahahah
@@SDE90nah, you all are over exaggerating things because the internet loves to do that. the main fault that this era of land rovers have is battery voltage related electronic issues. the 4.4 Jaguar sourced AJ engine is one of the most reliable engines made in the 21st century, I challenge you to look online and find me any common catastrophic faults the 4.4 has. they do not have timing chain issues, (updated strong tensioners) they have an MLS headgasket which can sustain very high temperatures before damage from a coolant leak, well designed coolant system, nothing outside of regular maintenance, I regularly see them on marketplace with 300k miles. these cars are very good to own, the air suspension is not that complex, and you all regurgitating the same legends simply makes it easier to find good long lasting examples.
most of these things you mention are the nature of any SUV, land cruisers also eat through suspension, brakes, and get horrendous gas mileage. you’re exaggerating the electrical problems, it’s not that unusual compared to other cars. the air suspension is also fairly simple and inexpensive, most of the times the original air bags are still fine 20 years later, they can go through compressors which is the most common air suspension issue and very easy to access/inexpensive. people want to feel “smart” by limiting themselves to certain cars when majority of these issues are common old car issues and wildly exaggerated.
I bought a 17k used bmw 550i V8 twin turbo 2012 model with 87000 miles on it (manual transmission). In the last 2 years of ownership I've only done oil changes and fixed one leaking coolant pipe myself for 200 dollars in parts. Other than that I've driven it daily to work and had no issues at all. I'm trying to get the n63 high score, it crossed 100k miles problem free.
Glad to know BMW is capable of making *one* good example of that motor 😂
Way to let everyone know you're miserable and broke :( @@viscountslappy5085
Don't jinx it man
You're in every comment section projecting your poverty on everyone else. What a miserable life lmao @@viscountslappy5085
I also have a 2011 manual 550i love that car but any repair is expensive
The only gran turismos with an automated manual were the MC stradales and a few other special low quantity models, the vast majority of GT had the zf automatic torque converter box which is very reliable, the GT was probably one the more reliable expensive luxury coupe from europe of that era, not too fast but not that problematic to own 😅
Agreed 💯. Owned my 2013 since 2017. Purchased for $57k from dealer. Annual oil change etc is around $550. Other than that, if you drive it like an adult, it will provide you with constant enjoyment.
And that exhaust note is intoxicating! Friend sold his pristine GT w/ the automated manual for fear of imminent failure, but I lusted after that car every time it pulled out of the parking lot! 🤣
Instantly knew the Granturismo would be on here
Low key want one to swap an ls and t56 - would be fun, but still too rich for my pockets
@@Drivewaybuiltwhen you get enough money you’ll want to buy something else bud lol
My neighbor got his Maserati for 14,000 and he treats it like a used Honda Civic.
Yeah they honestly shouldn't have wasted time on it lol
But I’m still a buyer 😂
LOL - the Nissan truck commercial right in the middle of "Don't buy these" vehicles might not have been the best placement. :)
or a dire warning (dont buy nissan whatever you do, they're awful)
Shhhhhhh
The frontier actually isnt that bad of a truck. But the rest of Nissan’s fleet is literally junk 😂
@@candles6103exactly
Yeah I heard that it’s the only one decent in their lineup. But I’d still rather get something else for the money lmao
U would buy a Range Rover over a c63 😭
Stupid
Exactly ! I think they were drunk when they filmed this episode
Dude I couldn't resist myself leaving comment exactly bc of this 2 cars.. total BS
Yeaaaahhhh I lost a lot of respect for that choice
True, crazy.
I drove a 2006 Bentley Continental Flying Spur for 7 years and bought it for only 40k at the time with 37k miles on it. I sold it for 29k eventually and other than regular maintenance the only thing that ever went wrong was the air suspension went out once. They REALLY are reliable and oh my god are they fun and comfortable. Plus it's actually doesn't get a bunch of the wrong attention because it was so understated.
It's because it's basically the same car as the Volkswagen Phaeton and that was the most over-engineered sedan ever built imo
You still lost a shitton of money just in resale value 😂
@@miskatonic6210$11k depreciation after 7 years is nothing, especially for a Bentley. A BMW or Mercedes will do that in 3 years.
@@miskatonic6210 11 grand for more than 7 years is all I lost on resale and maintenance was cheap. A lot of parts are VW and Audi so you can get the part number and pay a fraction for the sale thing. You just seem salty for whatever reason. Go get one and see what it's like rather than hating for no reason.
@@sal5440 the thing is that he does not have the money to buy one so thats why he is hating
Donut is literally talking about the S8 when i’ve been saving for one 😐 now i’m never gonna afford that car 😐
If you even search up that engine the first thing that will come up is it's ridiculous maintenance 😂 it's extremely expensive and only worth it if you have almost 10k every year to throw at it. You could build it to be more reliable but then are you better off just buying a better car at that point?
Just buy the jag or the cayman .. im gonna buy a cayman and then hopefully trough few years turn it into as close as possible to a gt4 with engine tunes and gt4 aero kits and wing .
I mean a slap in the face sometimes causes you to check the mirror lol
If you have you save up to buy it, you can’t afford it… get a V8 powered S6, more usable and just as much power!
Man, I doubt you'll like this answer, but if you want north of 400 hp and reliability go American. Camaros/Corvettes(at least pre C8) are just about the same basic engine design you have in a pickup, I have a 2013 corvette with the LS3 and TR6060 6 speed(T-56 Magnum sort of, bit lighter duty in a couple ways that the T-56 magnum spec). People may scoff at pushrods, but I can go from 0-186 or so MPH in one gear, yeah the red line is lower but the torque curve is wide and forgiving.
Bought a 650i convertible used. Around 38,000 miles on it. Actually, got a lot of complements. BUT, N63 nicked named the hot v, puts the twin turbs in the valley of the v8 block. This had a tendency to dry rot the hoses, keeps the turbos in a hot environment, which caused catastrophic engine failures. I had zero issues with the engine for the time I owned the car. Likes to eat oil so you are adding oil in between changes. But the reason I sold the car was the electronics issues. I had the radio reset on me twice, but the alarm would go off randomly. The only way that you could turn the alarm off was to have the key fob open the driver's door and start the car. Turn it back off did not arm the alarm and fifteen minutes later its going off. Do the same things. Alarm wouldn't go off again until the next night. Then the next day while at work. After a couple months a couple oil changes and fearing for the doom of the motor I had enough and traded that car in. For a Cadillac ATSV!
For the first 100k miles of a bmw, it’s drivers car
After that point, it’s the mechanics car
edit: not all the bmw guys replying about their 15 year old cars with a bajillion miles lmao. My civic will out last you all!
first 3 years/36k mi it's a drivers car... then it's a mechanic's car!
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032lol Its not a Range Rover
@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032my e39 with 500k would disagree
My e36 only made it 60k before it was mechanics car
As someone who drove a 2016 650i for a few years, I would agree. I dumped it at 99k miles knowing my extended warranty was about to end because there was NO way I was paying the prices I was watching the warranty pay to fix even minor things. Also this video is right, it's a fast car but you don't feel any of it. It was boring.
I have a 2014 M6. Zero maintenance costs except for scheduled maintenance (which MUST be performed). Very reliable, well-made and beautiful car. However, I paid $70k for it back in 2016. Make sure that all maintenance has been done.
the n63 will blow up but if you really and I mean really maintain her right sure but boy I will NEVER buy one with a lot of owners or susliy maintained
How many miles?
@@shrek4759 good question lol
Yes great car!! I have the 21014 M6 coupe and its been a dream... it had an issue once with the aircon system that was 6k to fix at the dealership but nothing else has happend to it... just need to change 4 tires every 15k miles... not too bad really... also the engine is surprisngly thrifty as it shuts off 4 cylinders when you're not in sport mode... best BMW i've ever had!
What was the aircon issue? Investigating a problem in my F06. System was filled last year and sucker just blows hot air despite audible ac compressor. Also I have a loud blower fan on when set to high airflow so was thinking about it.
135K on my 2015 650 only major issue so far was at 103K new radiator and now I need a oil cooler at 135K miles other than that regular maintenance
I have an '09 Porsche Cayenne GTS. The original sticker was $83k, but I got it a few years ago for $17k - I love how luxury cars depreciate! I save $$$ by doing my own work - I've had to change the water pump, thermostat, idler pulleys, and tensioner when the serpentine belt broke (my bad) - and I now am changing the CV axle (actually doing whole front end while I'm in there, as it will be a lot easier to do it all at once - control arms, tie rod ends, sway bar link). Even so, that only amounts to about $500 / year, which is not terrible - and this car is designed to be worked on. I do not like the 14MPG from the V8 - but it is a fun car, both on the track (with summer tires) and on logging roads in the snow in MT (with snow tires).
A lot of people who watch these videos have never picked up a wrench.
I think I'd rather buy a Toyota Yaris than have to do all that work tbh
@@StephenDeTomasi Don't forget your butt-plug while you're at it.
@@StephenDeTomasi Go for it. Don't forget your pink thong.
It’s def a fun truck I had the base model and loved it!!
I was on the lookout for an M5, then came across a SL55 AMG. Bought it... broke down after 50 miles.
Thank God...I had sweet talked the owner for a 200 miles, 5 days personal warranty (he agreed because I was in college). Finally settled with a 3500 bucks outback (yes I was in Colorado).
unlucky, the SL55 is usually really reliable
2:04 As an owner of a maserati from 2005, which has the same trans as the 08, the f1 trans just needs to be treated right, only shifting in the manual mode, putting it in neutral if you are at a long red light, and taking your foot off the accelerator when shifting, ive done most of the work to this car with my dad and weve had a blast driving it. the time spent working on it pays off in the end trust me. the sound, the high rpms, it all results in a beautiful car. i haven't heard of anyone spending 5k unless they take it to maserati and treat it like a toyota. its a high performance italian car with its quirks and that should be considered when buying one
My coworker Cummins came from range Rover in new jersey. His dealer was one of the importers. He would talk about the cargo ships that would show up with new cars that were driven on, that has to be towed off because they had too many codes to fix in the docks. He always said it was 10 to 20 percent
this is silly, most range rovers of this era do not have common random electrical issues, they are almost always due to surface level battery drain, clueless mechanics try to figure out every code when nothing is actually wrong, they are known for this and the fix is as easy as giving it a charge/regular use. this makes sense that during the shipping process there is lack of use. this is true for any electrically complex luxury car, the electronics themselves aren’t magically filled with gremlins, they use the same wires as anything else, but they are dependent on a very healthy topped up battery
As a F10 M5 owner, I would specify that yes the N63 is the one they are talking about, the later years 2014 and up are N63TU and most of these issues were fixed. Go with the 2014+ M6 or M5 instead it has the S63TU which all issues have been solved and engines are more reliable with the cars hitting 120k miles often. Only draw back is you are not willing to do the maintenance yourself (oil changes, spark plugs) then yes dont get it as you will get ripped off by stealerships.
Thank you for restoring my faith in the 6 series. - Person Saving Up for a 6 Series
This is true there seems to be a lot of misinformation and bias in this video.
This is pretty spot on. I had a 2013 N63 650i Gran Coupe for a couple years and it was definitely a money pit. O2 sensors going bad left and right, turbo coolant lines leak, LDP leak, replaced water pump, etc. and while I loved the car just couldn't justify the maintenance for it. Ended up selling it to Carvana in 2021 and made a couple grand off of it.
yup, the N63 gets a lot of hate but its always the caveat of the pre TU. now we're on the TU3 and i cant find many complaints on google of them at all
I second this. My 2015 f10 M5 comp is a gem. Had it for going on two years now.
When I was in high school kids in their bmws laughed at me for driving in a Corolla, parents bought them a older model used bmw. One of their cars started smoking one day after school as I passed by them and it felt amazing as they watched me go by.
Ok.????
This is funny, funny how tables turn..
I hope you beeped as you went bye. I would have waved😂
This is why I don’t understand people bragging about “German engineering” when Japanese engineering is better.
I've owned my 2015 BMW 650xi Gran coupe for 6 years. Still no serious mechanical issues. I've replaced a single o2 sensor. And a driveshaft bushing. Car still rides incredibly smooth and is a beast on the highway
highways are not made for "being a beast" - classic bmw driver thoughts
After 2014 N63’s got better
I have a 2013 with 45k miles on it and I daily it no issues but I also don’t drive it like I’m on the autobahn
Whats your yearly milage?
Driveshaft bushing? Do you mean the guibo? If so it sounds like someone was doing a lot of burnouts
As a Brit, can fully confirm Range Rover. Always seeing them broken down, even the new ones while I'm flying past in a 20 year old E46 touring with 200k being smug as hell.
Rightfully so they keep pumping out trash 🤣
Agreed, basically if you want to get a flashy Range Rover. Your first task is to go get those preventive fixes.
probably stolen too, can get insured in london
@@ahyaan2552 Oh man so true...
Porsche Cayenes of a certain year also
My e46 was possibly the most un reliable car I've ever owned tbf
My old auto teacher was really into importing English cars, showed me this English website. I found a 2004 Continental for 10k gbp
The amg c63 headbolt problem was remedied halfway thru 2011. The problem was they were allen head leaving little material between the bolt and socket on the head of the bolt. They then updated to hex head bolts i do believe. Its a good buy. Watch alexs videos over it on his channel legit street cars. He used to be a mercedes tech. Ive learned alot watching his videos.
the Merc 6.2 sounds a LOT like the Cadillac Northstar issue witht he head bolts!
@BinaryLucid honestly, their videos are not to be taken as advice
I replaced the Headbolts in my 2010 C63; really wasn't that hard. Granted, don't do it buy yourself, I had two friends help me, but it still took at most 4-5 Hours. The C63 AMG is extremely underrated, and the Headbolt issue is overblown.
Actually the headbolts are not the biggest problem. I worked 2 Years for a 3rd Party Mercedes AMG Repair specialist, mercedes sometimes gave us their own contracts because not every mercedes dealer has amg specialists (which is overblown because any mechanic can work on a amg, theres nothing special why you would need training or charge 160€/hour for that lol). The Spur Gear and Camshaft adjustors and cams are toast at 130.000km at pretty much every M156 we got, when i worked there i did logistics and we were waiting around 3 months per 1 part, and before i left we waited 5 months until those parts were in stock again because there are no cams from mercedes anymore, theres a company which is producing them on order... The headbolt issue is a probability, the cam stuff is a certainty.
@@DarkSession6208 How can you tell those issues needed fixing, out of curiosity? I've had three (2012+) W204 C63s and one W205 C63 (now have a Lexus ISF, lol), and they were all dreams and had zero maintenance issues. Though they all only had 10-40k miles on them. I loved them dearly but also have car ADHD.
I have a 17 Jaguar XE that has that supercharged 3.0. Love the car it has over 90K now and as long as you swap some plastic coolant tubing with an aluminum kit(which is the coolant leak issues James mentioned) it’s proven to me it’s strong. I’ve been in love with my jag
i bought my m6 competition gran coupe 3 years ago. paid 50 flat in cash and havent had any major issues since. replaced a lot of baked rubber seals under some trim parts, broken LED door jam light, couple other interior bits, but overall i'd say its like 1200/yr ish in maintenance. Love the thing. Previous owner was super meticulous with it -- always on time with service but got it polished wayyyyyyyyyy too much to where the clear coat was destroyed so i did put like 6k into paint but don't really consider that to be the car's fault. again, comes down to how much money you have and how handy you are. for perspective, i make over a quarter million and do most of my car work myself but no way can i do engine-out at my place; so when that s63 does give me issues, i'll be spending 15-20 on a total rebuild since its gotta come out anyways for most major repairs.
So what you’re saying is get the 640i?
@@pachasnft9954 if you want fun, get the m6. The s63 is much better built than the n63, but it will still cost in the long run. Otherwise, the N54 is more reliable (lmao) and widespread. I've got one in my z4 35is and maintenance is much cheaper. Only thing that i've had bust on that engine in about 6 years of ownership is the classic oil filter housing gasket so that was like 1400 in parts (did belt, pulleys, and hoses too) and 3 weekends to get it done.
Bought an 07 550i BMW with 90k miles on it, had a code for cam shaft crankshaft correlation and some dark dark transmission fluid. I fully rebuilt the entire engine piece by piece with OEM BMW parts, rebuilt the ZF transmission piece by piece with all OEM parts, and after 1k miles the transmission went out of gear without any abnormal noises and hasnt been able to get back into gear since. Unfortunately taking it to a scrapyard in a few weeks. It was such an amazing journey but such an unfortunate ending. It had a 4.8L N62 V8. I didnt do any mods to the engine or transmission i just wanted a brand new drivetrain. First build ive ever done that drastically failed
Hey don't give up u should throw in a 6 speed ZF, would be a waste to junk that new engine
the 6 speed zf is really known to be a bad transmition on itself. manual swap it and you are good to go, or even go crazy and dump in an 8 speed zf.
Have the trans built by someone who knows what they're doing and it'll be a good car.
Does Nissan know their fancy new truck is being advertised on a video titled "Don't Buy These"? 😆
Yer talking about it. It's called Guerrilla Marketing.
Good thing they weren't pushing a CVT sedan, eh?
Sold my Benz e550. 55,000 miles. Bought a Honda Civic touring. Couldn’t be happier.
My boy has that same BMW with hybrid turbos, a tune, and a few other mods and has been dead reliable. The key is being able to do some of the work yourself and/or having a good independent mechanic that doesn’t care if you bring parts (just don’t be cheap and compensate them). RUclips and forums are the gift that keeps on giving. Just don’t buy a car you can’t afford to repair or repair yourself.
Yeah, he is not telling you how unreliable that car is, he is crying inside, trust me.
@@CanyonsCarvertrust me bro
Least obvious mechanic in disguise
Buying a used British car is like playing Russian roulette with only one bullet missing. It’s essentially financial suicide.
lol I’m reading this while looking at my 98 4.6HSE😂
So is buying a new one tbh. That’s why they’re selling these cars for cheap.
Not gonna lie those Jaguars are very tempting. I look at the Fpace R, Ftype R, XJR, XFR all the time. supercharged v8 for 20k is very tempting. but if i really gave no fucks it would be an F10 BMW M5
I’ve seen so many 650i’s have issues, I’ve seen people spend $10k plus on issues when they come in the shop. Some of the biggest issues are the comfort access door handles internally short and blow the fuse which is also the fuse for the abs module. They all leak oil, even when you think you’ve fixed the leak they’ll leak from some where else. Turbo coolant lines are a headache and a 10hr job alone that’s really common. Valve stem seals are so common bmw has a class action against them for it and recently I’m starting to see the fuel pumps and modules going out intermittently causing random no starts or rough running issues. IF you have to buy an F12 6 series DO NOT get the 650i for your wallets sake. Get the 640i with the N55 it’s the same interior and body with a more reliable engine
Too heavy for a 6 cylinder.
But yeah my front electronic dampers are shot, $1k each + install and alignment is a $3500 bill
@@jjasonSU yeah the 6 cyl is gonna be slower but way more reliable
Do the m850i have the same problems?
@@trd- not that I’ve seen, they are a newer car and have the updated version of the n63 in them so they don’t have really many issues. All the ones I’ve seen seem to be pretty solid
@@trd- the biggest issue with the newer cars are the plastics in the cooling system like to prematurely fail
I got a 07 Alpina B7 for 20k and dropped 15k for a new motor. Still the best and fastest car I have ever had. Could have bought a Hellcat but no one has these and it's unique.
Those are sick. I had a 2006 760li when I was 16 and that car was really cool
thats a dope car, i love the Alpinas
I agree
I bought a $10k BMW 550i. It has the highly problematic N63TU. The only reason I was comfortable buying it was because the dealer said they'd give me a warranty. Which has come in handy five times in the two years I've had it. It's had well over $10k worth the mechanic bills already. It's a great and fun car, but do not buy one without a warranty.
Wrong about the head bolts in the C63. I used to own a 2012 and from 2012-2015 AMG fixed the problem and there was a recall for the head bolts. The problem was the head bolts were just made incorrectly. It’s an amazing engine. You guys make it sound like it has a major problem.
yea its an amazing engine with major problem cause bolt ons aloud coolant to enter in the cylinder heads so yes is a major problem
Crazy part about the Beamer is you can get M6s of that gen for Around the same price, maybe like 5k-10k more
The reason the Maserati GT took so little time to develop is that it was based on a discarded Alfa Romeo project. So, no, it didn't take 9 months.
Too right thier.
I feel US underrated the Alpha Romeo range.
@@3_character_minimum alfa did that to themselves
Oh wow good to know!
Yep. And there was a lot of carryover from the Coupe aka 4200GT that came before it.
And they borrowed a lot of power train and drive train tech from daddy company Farrari.
Got a 2013 320i 60k miles and only thing i needed to do was turbo oil feed line
And all cars with timing chain should be checked every 9 yrs so while your checking just replace it
Non issue
Donut guys - we love you. But there's a lot of misinformation with the Maserati and Gran Turismo in general. it takes less than 5 minutes to Google that most first Gen Gran Turismos have ZF 6 speed autos in the US. It's a torque converter automatic so there's no clutch replacement. The people that own or have owned the "first Gen" 2008-2013 Quattroporte and Gran Turismos know that they are actually extremely reliable. I owned an 08' QP and daily'd it for 3 years. Covered 40k+ miles and never replaced anything other than normal consumables, and 1 window regulator. Don't get a duo select, and don't get an MC shift car and enjoy trouble free driving with one of the best sounding V8's to ever grace the earth.
They're garbage. They're all garbage bro. It's not a flex to own a Maserati it's actually a financially-illiterate mistake lol
The 2009-2013 Gran Turismos are great cars if you can get past the outdated interior. I really like them!
This is true there seems to be a lot of misinformation and bias in this video. Especially pertaining to the n63tu
Shhhhh don’t reveal the secrets for those of us waiting to buy all the depreciated gran Turismos 👀
Yeah, I’ve repeatedly looked into getting one, and basically the only rule you have to follow is to stay away from that ‘F1’ automated manual. The ZF is perfectly reliable (as are most ZF transmissions)
another big problem with them land rovers is they have a small battery behind the dash for those certain electrical issues if that little battery dies (which it does roughly every 6 months) we have to remove the ENTIRE dash just to get access to it
The battery doesn't die every 6 months. What are you talking about.
In 2019, I bought a $10K 2006 Porshe Cayenne with only 27K miles, and I love it. So far, only routine maintenance. Last month, I bought a 05 Audi A6 with only 32K miles for $8.5K, and I love it!!!! Both cars have clean titles!!! If you do your homework and follow routine maintenance you find some great bargains out there.
LOL being the proud owner of a new to me 650i this felt extremely personal. Runs like a dream though 2 years so far 80k miles no issues at all.
So, you're saving for what's coming or getting ready to punt it?
Same here bro, I’ve had mine since 38k and just hitting 60k and it’s been a dream. Biggest “problem” so far was loose oil pan bolt that made me have a slight leak which was obviously an easy fix
@@noneyabizz8337 I’m under warranty until 120k but past that point I plan to do everything I can myself. That’s if I don’t sell it for a f90 or m6 GC
@@WannabeM6 so, plan number one
As a former 650 GC owner and now M6 GC owner....I'll say that these cars are GREAT when maintained. I'll bet it's the fastest car on that list.
Great info! If only i could afford 98 cent canned macaroni from walmart
Never had a comment be more true to my situation 🫠😅
It’s time for American Revolution 2 Electric boogaloo
Marked up for inflation that's now a $17 can of macaroni
Canned macaroni is $1.29 here in Louisiana
I just realized there is no "cent" symbol on my phone 🤨
we know someone who has put 125k miles on a 2014 Maserati GT convertible with zero issues. He drives it every day and mostly on the freeway. The guys at the dealer said daily driving them and pushing it is what makes them last
My bmw 6 series has given me no major issues after owning it for 5 years from 7k miles to 120k. Its been tuned since 50k miles as well, maintenance is KEY.
You put over 100k on in five years?? WTF.
@@Jeremy-kg1zrthat's only 20k miles per year.. nothing crazy
@@dandean3871 Uhhh, yeah, that's a Lot of driving. I'm always blown away when people come into the shop and have 100k on a car that's only 5yrs old. I feel like I spend a lot of time driving in my daily life and I think I put less than 8k on my car last year. I know that's below average for our driving obsessed country, but 20k/yr... WOW.
As a rural resident of Missouri, that BMW was not beat up, I call that luxury, for comparison, I drive a 1998 mercury grand marquee LS, I LOVE that car.
Back in the mid 2000s I wanted a v8 awd and I didn't have enough money to buy new. There were a ton of audi a8s for under 5 k with just over 100k miles on them. It turns out that around 125k the transmission would go out like clockwork and cost more than the car was worth to fix
If you have to "impress your friends" with a car you probably shouldn't have those "friends."
And you're likely as stupid as those friends, if "impressing your friends" is part of your mental state.
It’s not the friends you need to impress, it’s the friends you want to impress
but mostly it’s for yourself
surface level kumbaya mentality, people in the real world can appreciate nice things without basing an entire opinion on someone because of it, that’s when it becomes a materialistic friendship. big difference. if you have car friends you would understand .
@@h7pubghalf of the “car guys” I know are broke and have no business owning more than 1 car. Unless you are a mechanic you shouldn’t care about cars till yours is paid off, your house is paid off and you have a decent emergency fund with big cash reserves. “Car guy” archetype is code for: I’m too stupid to interpret financial jargon so bought an old car to try to
look cool.
@@stephenasmith273 cry about it. , you limit yourself to boring things in this short life and use “sensibility” as an excuse to cope with it. you think choosing to drive boring tupperware makes you “better” because you’re “smarter” sad really. i’d rather be friends with a broke car guy with a passionate hobby than a karen with your mentality. are you even capable of having fun?
the headbolt issue on the C63 was found out to be only 2% of the engines. now the camshaft phasers and such are definitely bound to be needing repairs and they fixed that issue on the 2012+ models
Owned a TT, Boxster, Cayman, 997 4S, C63, by far the Maserati Granturismo with the ZF was the car with the least mechanic visits, most elegant, beastly presence and sounds symphonic.
the ZF is great and very reliable, main issues I see are with the earlier transmission
They said they didn't even look anything up for the Maserati they just know it's bad... lol donut is becoming a clown show. These Maserati Granturismo only have 2 problems and they are preventable. Well 3 problems if you have the F1 not ZF.
I love my w204 c63! That said the M156 head bolt issue applies to ALL M156 equipped vehicles before sometime in 2011. All M156 cars 2012 or later do not have any worry about the head bolt issue
People sometimes call me a fake car guy...but having worked in car sales, car insurance adjusting, car logistics...I cannot look at fancy cars without simply seeing the "long term" costs of everything. Every single "fancy" bit on your car...is a $5K (if not more) nightmare waiting to happen. It was a consistent trend when I was writing cars, adding a piece to my software and my jaw-dropping, thinking "Holy crap...that piece costs how much!?".
I can appreciate fancy cars, and some people who have the money/time/interest to dedicate to keeping them serviced and running properly...but 90% of these cars are "eyes too big for stomach" purchases and end up being absolutely thrashed and abused.
While I have the money to go and buy something nice...I just stick to simple, low-end, manual transmission cars, and let the other people spend the big bucks :D
yup the 6 figure people are playing another game entirely. I dont personally see the need to go over into the "high end" part of line ups other than just a badge at that point. I mean are there actual enthiusasts out there that LOVE their RR if you took all the badges off? Maybe but you look at the mid range stuff like the M3 or S4's or C Class and you see people that dont care about he brand but about the actual product itself and how fun it is every day and who shake their fist when something breaks but lovingly spend those dollars to fix it
Same here
Just curious as to why what you drive?
What car do you drive then?
@@NightsN2dr3amsprobably a manual Toyota or honda is my guess
2012 550i xdrive w that same n63 v8 twin turbos. Hit sportmode and it goes. Change it with liquid molly molygen oil and change the T fitting for the turbo coolant line to brass. Some minor repairs like spark plug and coilpack. It's solid car
Thank you for your content. I cant believe the luck. I was going to order a air ride suspension from your store today for my 2012 Maserati GranTurismo S, but your review was so incorrect and totally not the experience I have had with my car for the last 4 years. The automatic does not have a clutch only the z manual transmission does, so you do not have to change a clutch pack out in the auto. I live in Alaska and have driven my car 70k miles back and forth from California to Anchorage on the Alaska Hwy, twice now. I will say the Ak Hwy is the best video game ever and the reason why I bought a touring car that in some places I have reached 185 mph. And time tracked my best 150 mph speed for 12 mins in cruise control. Its is so reliable I have added many formula dynamic aftermarket parts to for because this car costs me nothing to maintain.
It does 4.6 s in the 1/4mile not 5.0, it has been tuned to 500 hp with simple add on stage1 controller, exhaust mods, air intake and sport cats. I added upgraded sway bars, lowering springs and hub centric spacers. Cheapest car I have ever owned for the power and performance plus the reliability. I do all the upgrades and oil changes, dif oil change, new brakes, plus the 50k tune-up service myself in my garage, and I am no mechanic. V8's are easy to work on and this car is so simple to maintain.
So next time talk to real owners who have the cars and drive them hard like they should to get good facts.
Sorry but I will get my air ride direct from manufacture. l
WOW 4.6 sec quarter mile! 5 seconds stock quarter mile times?? Plaid Tesla is what 9.3? Why isn't anyone talking about this? How did Ferrari not notice that this was over twice as fast using Ferrari innards?
I've always believed in the "you get what you pay for" principle. Even if they're cheap upfront, the maintenance costs are a nightmare.
5 years ago.57 Hemi Grand Cherokee 2008 for 1500.00 with a dented passenger rear door bought for150.00 from the scrap yard right clolour bolted it on . Truck looks perfect runs great other than change the oil It cost me nothing to own now.
It's always the best looking ones that cause the most trouble
Ford mustang 😎 XD
Women
@@ryanespinoza7297 better word never spoken
You can actually fix the headbolt issue on the C63 with a kit by changing them for what is used on later model year cars. which doesn't have the issue.
I had a 204 C63... It was a certified pre-owned which I bought at a Mercedes dealership (here in Germany) and the headbolt-issue had already been adressed. During my ownership it was pretty bulletproof, didn't have to anything apart from yearly services. Of course, it wasn't a cheap car to run, drank lots of gas and ate lots of tires, but that was to be expected. Personally I'd put it into the dream-car column for sure.
2007 E63 wagon owner here. The M156 head bolt issue is overblown. Mechanic has inspected the factory head bolts and found them to be fine. Valvetrain wear issue is overblown too, my oil analysis are still perfection at over 100,000 miles.
What people don't talk about enough is the cost of a front brake job. Those 2 piece rotors are insanely expensive. Also it eats rear tires but that is the driver's fault.
Nah. I work at a Mercedes dealership. They all eat tires. I can't count the number of times a mom comes in for a 10k service for her SUV and the tires aren't gonna make it to the next service. I'm shocked when I see a set of Mercedes tires make it to 30k.
Bro that Zumiez commercial was so sick. Donut rules
O'Doyle rules
My dad is
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@@mr.iforgot3062my dad could beat up your dad
“North America” and showed only the USA lol
Woop, 2008 Range Rover L322 3.6TDV8 owner here. I've been a fan of those cars for many years, so here are a few quick tips to get prospective buyers going.
If you rather save a bit of cash than get the latest and greatest, get the 1st facelift, those are from 2006 - 2009. The fanciest are the 2nd facelift - from 2009 to 2012. The later one doesn't have anything that important in terms of extra features, it basically swaps some lights with LEDs, updates a bit the infotainment system, and adds keyless start. Considering how much more the 2nd facelift tends to cost, I'd say it isn't worth it. Either way, I recommend replacing the infotainment screen with 10" one, they are sold all over ebay / aliexpress / etc for about 400 USD and are straightforward to install. You'll get basically an android tablet that fits as if it was OEM, and it wireless Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. Makes the car feel a lot more modern in my opinion.
If you want reliability and fairly cheap repairs, go for the 3.6 TDV8. It has good reputation and is the most common engine on the L322 so parts and mechanics that know them are fairly easy to find. The 4.4 TDV8 is the second best option, but if you need to rebuild / replace the engine - you'll probably have a bad time... Decent 3.6 engines can be found 2nd hand for about 2-3k USD, 4.4s go for two-three times more... at least in Europe, but that probably applies for everywhere because most L322 were sold with the 3.6 TDV8. That being said, the 2009-2012 4.4 TDV8 are the only ones that come with the 8 speed ZF, the rest of 1st & 2nd facelift come with a 6 speed ZF, which is pretty good and reliable to be honest, and it's not like the car is loud on the motorway / highway. Early models (up to 2006), like the BMW engine model mentioned in this video, come with a 5 speed transmission - avoid that, it's not good at all... Better to avoid all L322 that are pre facelift (before ~mid 2006). There are a few other engines available, the top of the line being the 5.0L supercharged petrol available from 2009 to 2012 (2nd facelift). Their major issue is with the timing chain, supposedly the tensioners give out and the engine dies if you don't catch it on time and fix it. With some preventative measures, they are supposedly fairly reliably considering the power output, but again - repairs ain't cheap on those.
There are a few range rover specific forums out there, they are a great source of information. I recommend you start digging in those for tips on how to spot a good car before you start looking to buy one.
My dad had a 2012 650i convertible he bought in 2016. I loved that car, sounded great, incredibly comfortable, looked fantastic imo (black over saddle tan) and powerfully quick but not in a show-off way. Needed a lot of maintenance though--top had issues once, one of the wheels cracked, oil sensor problems... when the mechanic finally told him all the hoses etc. were looking like they needed to be replaced he sold it sight unseen to carvana at the height of that craziness for basically what he paid for it 😂
I had a 2012 and didn’t miss a beat in 2017, just a new switch. So in 2018 ordered a new one with just about all options. Was nothing but problems. 80k car and BMW in the end had to buy it back. I’ll never buy new again
12:21 I remember test driving a 2015 BMW 650i xDrive GranCoupe back in 2018 and it had a check engine light 😂
I own i bmw 650ixdrive coupe its been super reliable only part i changed was the gas pedal $200 fix i also drive it hard you just got to keep up with the oil changes i do it once evrey 6 months
behold the last vid with him onboard
If you're looking for a L322 Range Rover , stick to something between 2007-2009, they had the Jaguar 4.4L V8 and the 4.2L Supercharged V8 engines. Both mated to a 6 speed ZF transmission. 2006 did have the same drivetrain but still had the some BMW issues like the earlier years. Avoid the 4.4L BMW engine in the earlier models with the 5 speed GM transmission and the 5L Jaguar V8 in the 2010+ models which had timing chain tensioner issues.
Great advice.
exactly. these couple years are genuinely land cruiser level reliable.
My dad bought a 2009 CLS 550 for $30k in 2013 when the MSRP was $90k new. The car is worth ~$4500 now and he had to spend a few thousand every other year to keep it working. He loved thing but its amazing how used luxury cars drain wealth.
The 650 Gran Coupe is probably the best looking BMW has ever made. Just a tune and downpipes and it's capable of mid 10s at 130MPH. Xdrive versions with a tune can do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds easy.
2.7 seconds 0-60 after my tune . It’s pushing 650hp rn good car but definitely a hot car in the enginebay
i agree it's good looking but I personally think it falls 2nd to the F82 M4 Comp
I only half expected a hot, shirtless Pennywise coming into this video. With donut, you never know
How do you half expect something?
@@horatiohuffnagel7978 it's a common English expression
I used to drive the H2 stretch limousine back in the early 2000s. We got paid a lot extra to drive that thing, but it was so awful to drive, I preferred making less money and driving a regular stretch. For one thing, you couldn’t turn the front wheels unless it was actually in motion. It had power steering, it just didn’t work unless it was moving. Parking was awful. And God help you if you had to pick someone up in the Fairfax District on those little narrow streets. You basically could not turn.
One cool thing was that if you were coming south on the 405 from the valley, when you got to the top of the hill in the Sepulveda pass, you didn’t have to touch the gas pedal again until you got down to Santa Monica Boulevard. Inertia man
My boy lost some weight damn
ozempic gang 😤
@@redriver15262It’s a miracle drug that undoes decades of food industry satiation poisoning.
I’m really happy for anyone who can get it! Be sure to check with compound pharmacies if you can’t afford the shelf injector prices (they’ll give it to you in a normal insulin syringe, so it’s not as convenient, but it’s the same medicine thanks to the shortage meeting the requirements to exempt it from IP protection).
I searched to find that to see if anyone noticed.
I thought the same thing
8:26 I would love to see a $25k Jaguar Ftype vs $25K modded Honda S2000 video series from you guys! that would be so badass!
@TylerKradas check out Speed Academy’s shitbox S2000
The ad before this video was a Nissan kicks ad also by Donut
My mechanic cried when I sold my 2002 M5.
It was the only thing keeping him in business
@@miniotgf2 💀💀💀💀
(pls don't hate me I love gas cars as much)
I bought a 2013 Tesla Model S P85 with a 2020 battery & free supercharging!
It's proven to be able to do a crazy amount of miles over the years to come and saves me about 5K a year since I don't need to pay any road taxes here in the Netherlands.
My daily commute is 2 hours of highway.
So for the weekends I just bought a 2024 kawasaki Ninja ZX6R ;)
This car is a perfect daily
Mooi
This reads like an ad. Go back to xitter Elon
@@darkdave1998 how? It just makes sense. Why not drive a comfy big car that saves me 5k a year?
Late 2000s E klasse is where it's at. My friend drives a 2008 E klass wagon, is the 4th owner, lives on the village, daily drives it on dirt road, pulling trailers with the eu hook... The thing is a monster
It's funny this video comes up the week that I'm swapping my 2019 Megane RS280 for a 2005 Porsche Boxter 987.1, the model notorious for potential IMS bearing failure, killing the engine.
Potentially going from a money dip to a money pit
Ims was overblown on the 987.1 a truly bad decision would've been the 986 😂
owned a 987 for well over a year, it was the cheapest one on all of autotrader and have checked it in for numerous services but the only issues it has is the seals which aren’t expensive to replace and some sunfaded paint on the driver side door, just need the holidays to come sooner to get that sorted.
ims bearings are not an issue in the modern day, if it hasn’t broken 20 years down the line then it never will and your car is one of the examples not affected
caymans and boxsters are absolute joys of a car, just get it inspected before purchase and you won’t regret owning these lovely budget friendly porsches
5k a year For a Maserati ? Thats how much its cost to keep my 01 Silverado going💀
The only difference is that your silverado probably has over 200-300k miles on it 🤣
Ooof. What are you using up that’s 5k/year?
Even if you’re changing oil on a very conservative every 3,000 miles, that’s still only ~4 changes for the average American, maybe at most $500.
Filters, coolant, tranny fluid… let’s be super silly and imagine that adds up to another $500.
Where is your other 4k going? Annual junk yard engine swaps???
i bought a 2011 CL550 with 11k original miles for $34k last year - original window sticker was $128k and just last week a 2013 S65 with 22k original miles for $43k ($230k original sticker) - had both PPI’d…neither needed a thing besides wiper blades and a new rear tires on the 65. Lots of great deals to be had if you do your due diligence.
All Maseratis depreciate like whoah! The ONLY thing remarkable about them (relative to their high price) is their engine sound(s). Save your 💰 and buy a high-end speaker.
I’m here after Speeed
You mean peee
I agreeeeeee: I bought a 650 from Carmax, and 2 month later, it had a bad Electronic Module failure, then it had several drive Terran errors, and it ended up costing 30K to fix, I swear, the dealer refused to fix it, CarMax refused to fix it, they said it’s better to sell it as salvaged but insurance refused the idea,
What year was it ?
Oh shit it's a collab between Speeed and BigTime!
Is this *James's* last ever video at Donut?
Looks like it
I love your nissan ads. Every single time I get to know a little bit more about their offerings which is so rare these days because Nissan is not feature in most channels.
James last vid 😢
I'll have to be financially stable in every sense before purchasing my first supercar. The best thing to do with your money is to invest rightly because money left saving will end up with no returns.
The best advice that i learned from Manny Koshbin is don't buy a Super or Hyper car until you have 10 times the price of it in your Bank account, when you purchase a Super car you add a car to your garage but u add also maintenance and unexpected damages that can happen in future
you don't need that much, as long as you have 250k to 350k in cash, and earn at least 40k plus is fine. It not like you are going to pay the car off, get the car, drive it for a year or two then get something else. You don't need millions of money to enjoy nice things. You just deploy a small amount of income to have some fun. Remember you are going to get this money back ( a good percentage) when you move it.
If you got 10x the price sitting in your bank account... you already making bad financial decision
Certainly, You need to get a financial planner to aid diversify your portfolio to commodities index funds, digital assets etc, to provide illumination and guidance in the financial markets.
It's crucial for individuals to diversify their portfolios, seek professional financial advice, and stay informed about market trends to navigate these challenges effectively.
While the n63 is the early models of the 650xi had many issues, the n63tu resolved a lot of those issues. These vehicles require high maintenance, and were not meant for the budget consumer, go get a 328i if you want a BMW these cars are reserved for those that appreciate and can afford luxury. With all this said , this is why I optioned for the N55 640xi same car, better gas mileage, and a simple tune puts in the same power as the 650xi just without the glorious sound of course. In the 20,000 miles I have put in the car, I have not had any mechanical issues with my engine. Oil changes every 3k miles. The biggest complaint regarding the car is that since it is heavy you must get rid of the run flats, and it is low , so it is not easy on the pot holes. I am coming on some big maintenance items soon, but most expensive would have to be the adaptive suspension 2,200$, but then again this is not a Honda civic I am driving. Breaks necks every where I go even for a car that came out in 2017 (gran coupe model) and way better looking than these new buck tooth bmws.
Where the heck is James
Is it me or does Zach look likes he’s so over it
a friend of mine actually had a s8 with over 500.000km, and he only got some minor electrical faults in 7 years of ownership. failed engine mounts and an oil leakage sealed its fate at the end.
0:21 Da faces of tryin too hard.
The whole thing is trying to hard… big corporation trying to be real hep for the kids! They’re just gen z independent influencers… 😂