!THAT! was a brilliant review. Pretty much covers all the things that aren’t usually covered properly. The 770 Pro 250 Ohm headphones were the first studio cans I ever owned due to a good friend of mine working for beyerdynamic. I still love them and most other headphones in the price range were a let down compared. After all these years! Many more expensive headphones came after them, but I still return to them frequently and they still are my drum monitor. Even after 12 years, my first pair is running like the first day. I love them. Just a great pair of headphones.
There's just something about them, that special combination of qualities. I have the AKG K371 which I think are probably technically superior in terms of sound. But I just keep coming back to the 770.
Wheezy Reviews I actually just bought the K371s. They are way superior in many aspects but I experience the issue that depending on the song, the vocals sometimes overpower the rest (feeling like a Peak, in my ears, should have been more present between 1.5k and 2k instead of 2.5-3k) and that a lack in presence of frequencies around 50-100Hz (especially compared to the sub bass regions) lead to bass drums drowning in the mix or then again, in other songs, being to harsh. Then, sometimes, they get completely lost against sub 50Hz some bass sounds which drives me nuts. I never had those issues with any other cans, respectively the DTS.
Yeah I've been covering the DT770 for a long time of course, and that's a good observation about the bass. Back when I started, even the 250 ohm was considered a basshead headphone. But nowadays with Harman saying a bass shelf is desirable, it might be considered just right
Just stumbled across this vid. Excellent summary of the DT 770 250. I have a couple of these and they are an excellent well rounded headphone. I have one pair of DT 770's that just recently broke. The cable seems to have broken or come out of its clamp in the ear cup and now the right channel has stopped. I'll be fixing them this weekend. But it should be noted that this set of DT 770 250's are a little over 7 years old and have been used every day for several hours daily during that time. This set was my daily workhorse headphone. So keep that in mind when buying. It will hold up for years even with daily use.
Hey that's me at the end! Thank you for making great content! Sorry I couldn't watch earlier but I got sick af today, hopefully it's not the 'rona. Stay safe!❤️
Another excellent review. The DT770s were my favourite closed back for many years. I have owned a pair of 250ohms and now own a more recent 80ohm version. The 250ohms sounded like they had a little less bass and perhaps ever so slightly more refined/boosted treble. I kept the 80ohms because I decided the bass sounded just as clean to my ears, and I liked the boost :p Also the treble differences were much harder to tell, I spent a good few weeks with both and could still not reliably tell which one was which on tracks with no bass. I would still be using my 80ohms if I hadn't gone into store and tested them against K371s, DT1770s & MMX300s (I took my Topping DX3 Pro into store to test with me haha) I liked the sound of the K371s but they did not seem to have good positioning in the tracks I used to test so I felt they would not be very good for gaming, which is just as important to me as music. The DT1770s and MMX300s sounded quite similar, but after 20min of ab testing I decided I liked the MMX300s sound better. I felt they were slightly cleaner all over the frequency response, which was shocking to me as the MMX300s are only 32ohms.. I have owned them a few weeks now and I still think they have the cleanest treble resolution out of any closed back I have heard. Already shrill sounding tracks that are slightly sibilant to my ears on all other beyer closed backs I owned or tested are just clean sounding on the MMX300s. The treble is still lifted, definitely more so than a DT770 80ohm, so probably slightly more than a DT770 250ohm as well. Probably around the same quantity as a DT990 actually, but the refinement and improved detail in the high end makes them much more listenable and enjoyable to me. Also for gaming these are like laser pinpointers - soundstage width feels the same so not sure if it's the imaging that has been tightened up or if it's the treble resolution that makes it noticeably easier to track enemies accurately than on my DT770 80ohms.
Thanks for your detailed comment. I really want the 1770 but I have heard they aren't worth it over the 770 as they don't sound much if any better. I'd still like to check them out. The MMX300 looks like a good option. I suppose its a closed back 880 with a mic attached.
I've owned a pair from 2012 and this is a very accurate review. I recently changed to HD 650 as my daily driver, but I always come back to this pair as they sound so good with a little EQ.
@@0Waylandhonestly they run just fine off the fiio btr5 although I want to get them modded so I can use my balanced cable from my mezes to get a little more volume from certain videos on RUclips
I use my dt770 250ohm with a Astro mixamp. Its used for movies and sounds fantastic. I have to go to half volume on the mixamp to get to a decent listening level. I thought the mixamp would be under powered but it does work. The headphones sound full and robust with decent soundstage.
I'm very happy that I went with these headphones! And being so repairable, I'm ecstatic at that! I'll absolutely be modifying mine once the 3yr warranty runs out on my pair. The cable was absolutely the one big point of contention for me, but if they're that easily repairable / moddable, it's not an issue!
I now use these with just a cheap simple tube amp, the Bravo Ocean tube amp. And what a match made in heaven. The sound is simply fabulous. Highs and mids are very good. But the bass is what make this headphone so fun to use. I use primarily for movies. Watching the remake of Dawn of tbe Dead and wow the bass is more than i could wish for. When tbere was a gun shot, explosions i could feel the bass. Music has a very nice lean and precise punch to it. Overall this is a very good headphone that shines for movies and is fun to use.
thank you for the detailed review! i bought a set based on this review. i have a ATH-WS1100 i will be replacing for them with these. i am new to the audio game from the general gamer headphones. i cant stand the AT brand at this point anymore since i have had 2 of these headphones plastic fail at the earcup. having a large head is a curse
The 250 ohm version do sound better than the 80 ohm. Higher impedance has many sonic advantages. They need to be well amplified to reach their potential for sure. Good review.
@@ioguapin 2 watts at what impedance level? Typically, headphone amp manufacturers state their output wattage initially into 16 ohm, and then rate higher impedance. They also show the lower wattage result at higher impedance. By 250 ohm, your headphone amp is probably at 500mw or less. Is that enough? In the case of the Beyer DT770, maybe, maybe not, as it also has pretty low sensitivity. If memory serves, it's around 93db? Totally will depend on what you're doing and how loud you need things to be. Impedance is a factor, for sure, but sensitivity is also a factor in pushing volume to your ears.
I use these for gaming and they are amazing. Sound is very clear. Very flat sounding compared to other gaming headphones. They work very very good for gaming. I do recommend these, I use these on pc, not sure how console would work.
1more triple headphones are comfy on-ear, and with a little mod (found on Head-fi) they sound truly amazing ! They are very very cheap on amazon.co.uk these times. I had mine for about 60 pounds.
@@nonenothing4412 It depends how you hate them. with the mod, less bass (but still not as precise as plannar of course), better detail retrieval in the mids, and clearer highs. If your problem is distortion in the bass region, it's still here but less proeminent. with the mojo, the are ok, but with a more neutral dac/amp (such as the apple dongle) it's a delight. But maybe your hate is for something else. Crossovers ? My pure personal hate is for the DT770 80ohms.
Just got my DT770 250 ohm the day before you posted this review. I agree with everything said. These are such solid all-rounders that I think they will always have a place in my collection. They are legends. Out of curiosity what amps did you power them with? I use a Monolith Liquid Spark and it is a pretty sweet pairing.
I love my pair the only thing that I'd change about them is the ability to have a removable cable. I'll eventually mod mine but it would have been nice if it was standard.
Man, I dont know why all the reviews keep saying 250ohm needs an amp. Ive been using mine in my phone, computer, or guitar pedal, to block out noise, no problem, without having to crank the volume.
@@GeeMorno honestly i agree, it’s not super necessary to use an amp. it’s not very loud without one but it’s not quiet at max. but i’ve found when i use one it sounds cleaner and gives more separation to different parts of the mix. all preference when it comes down to it though, and i may just be trying to justify my purchase😂 oh well
@@gwendohshidt No need to justify your purchase. I think you did great. I love my 250ohmers. I did have a thought about what I said, & it did cross my mind about what you said; frequencies do seem to clear up & mixes seem more clear with a bit of a boosting help. Im still content with simply using my phone only. Its JUST enough, where I can block out, outside noise without cranking my ears off. But in louder places, most likely the level would not be enough. Those are the places where I resort to my in ears, rather than cranking the volume, I try to isolate outside noise first, before raising levels. Ive gone too many years as a child cranking junky 80s headphones, sterios, guitars, drums, mixing, live shows & attending concerts. So with that, AND the construction noise at work being a stage hand; Ive REALLY become cautious, & sensitive. My ears ring after every over exposure to sound, so at age 40, I can already sense fatigue early, & it seems to come even quicker these days. But I mainly bought these with reference mixing in mind at night. But listening to Dream Theatre with these, sure do make me hear a lot of things I never heard in the songs, previous to using these. Ive contamplated making a second lirchse, so that Im not wearing out my precious 250ohmers. But im worried about going lower in ohms & possibly sacrificing the main reason as to why I love these so much. But hey, hope these are still working out for you & thanks for the response.
Hey wheezy! Awesome review. I bought the Dt 770 80ohn a few days ago and I'm enjoying them a lot. However, I'm missing some of the Soundstage that I had when I tried the Fidelio X2HR ( replaced them because of the piercing treble). Your review of the HD 599 got me thinking... do you think i should go for the HD 599 or keep the Dt 770? Or since I like the Dt 770, the Dt 990 would be the better choice?
If you have a little more money to spare go and get the Hifiman Sundara. They were the perfect upgrade to my Fidelio X2! The soundstage is a little smaller, but the detail and Imaging are way better
I use these with a Motu M2 audio interface. Powers the 250 ohm version just fine for studio work. Almost bought a Schiit Magni headphone amp when i made the purchase, but the Motu's headphone amp is plenty.
Odd my M4 barely powers my 250oh SE. Ordered a Douk U3 to power it in monitor mode for VO/Calls with my Earthworks Ethos. Is there a setting in the M4 to make it high power in monitor mode?
listening to these on my dt770 pro's I got off an auction. I wasn't really into audio before this, but I bought a cheap amp (e10k) and hooked em up and they are nice for what I got em for. Although I didn't notice *much* of a difference between hooking them up to my monitor and my dac/amp combo
@@shashankgarewal I don't have the 770. About the custom studio, they are quite neutral and dry. With sliders is possible to set bass intensity. For video games I prefer everything down, Iron maiden 1 step above and for Tool 2 steps above. CS sound cold but precise, not warm at all.
Hey, I have a question. I’m debating on either the 250 ohm vs 80 ohm. I’m going to be using a MOTU M2 to power them. My question is, in my specific scenario I play games, and also do simple in-home vocal recording and mixing. Which one would be best?
Focusrite Support: For all 1st Gen, 2nd Gen, and 3rd Gen Bus-Powered Scarlett interfaces (Solo, 2i2, 2i4, and 4i4), iTrack Solo and Saffire 6 USB look for headphones with a maximum impedance of 200 ohms.
it does not actually, I just got them today and connected to the focusrite solo they are not as loud as they should be. My ZST's in ear headphones are surprisingly great when connected to the focusrite
Nice, LG seem to be the only phone company that really cares about wired audio. I always forget about LG, they seem to have fallen off the face of the earth in the UK at least, phone shops don't carry them anymore.
@@WheezyTech the majority is stuck in their Samsung / IPhone box. I would recommend ordering one online. I had to. They're sold out locally here in the states. You won't regret it. It's like having a portable DAC&. I plan to use it at the gym and when I don't want to hear my kids. That's why I went closed back.
@@charlestannehill7537 I’d like to know if the phone drive the 250 ohms well? Do they sound good as a combination or would you recommend going for the open back dt-990 instead? Thanks!
I find it strange how many people claim that these headphones are hard to drive off phones. I have an exynos Samsung s8 plus and even with a EQ and preamp of - 4dB, I still get plenty of volume out of these. Even with things with more dynamic range, I don't find myself maxing out the volume, nearly at all. Maybe for very high dynamic range stuff I would need to max out the volume and maybe even turn off the EQ, but I don't think its impossible to run these off a decent phone.
No doubt there are phones that can drive the 250 to reasonable levels. I basically have to max my OP6 out to play to a reasonable volume and anything with any dynamic range is just no good with my phone. Same goes for using these as monitors with an audio interface, I just cannot hear myself loud enough in the monitoring with my Focusrite. So yeah its not so much that its impossible to drive these with portable devices but that its often not easy.
If you like closed back I'd HIGHLY recommend the Denon AH-D2000 There very old hat now an there is probably a better modern equivalent. But I've used mine to death. I'm looking at Beyers just to round out my closed back can collection.
I got mine with straight Cable . It is 250 Ohms Mine sound amazing I don't know why some don't like it. I didn't have any problem to drive them at all. I love mine. I also have DT990 pro 250 Ohms and Premium 600 Ohms and Premium 600 Ohms. DT880 . I love them all. . The VModaCrossFade LP2 I don't like them that much. Beyerdynamic are the best for me.
So is the 80-ohm version a better option if I intend to use it more on mobile devices more often (for classical music; And quite possibly, use it with the amplifiers in the future)? Please reply when you see this, I could REALLY use some advice from someone that is more professional than I am
Hey Wheezy. Good review. You made me notice other aspects of these cans. I have the 250 Ohm version as well. Allow me to ask... Have you tried listening Metallica's Black Album with it? It's very bright to my taste, for instance. Thanks!
@@metal571 you're right. I left the DT770 for EDM and heavy metal in general, for instance. To conclude, I'll leave a very cool song to listen with the DT770: "Kickstart my heart" by "Mötley Crüe'". Sound is huge on these cans. Cheers.
Interesting. I remember the 250ohm version sounding a bit hollow in the mid range. Looks like I'll have to get one in again. Wish the custom studio was easier to get, it is still Imo the best sounding "dt770". Great video once again.
Wheezy Reviews I cant even find them where I live anymore. From memory they have the bass and mid range of the 250ohm (on linear bass position) but with the more toned down treble of the 80ohm(even less sharp IIRC) You loose a tad bit of soundstage but having treble that is just as detailed and a lot less sharp plus a removable cable is easily worth it IMO. But price seems to be higher because of the removable cable and it seems to be less distributed as it just didn’t caught on in the semi mainstream market like the DT770 did. The removable cable I’ve also seen more than a few people have issues with it. But I’m guessing it cost more to make and the broader market still eats up the DT770 so they could just want to cut costs and push the DT770 more. But that’s just a theory.
I can't say 100% as I don't have that phone but I do have the 80 ohm 770 here too and it's much easier to drive off of my phone than the 250 ohm version
I have no interest in the DT770 but I watched the review just because I love to hear your take on audio. The only thing I remember about the 770 is Anna kendrick's character uses it in Pitch Perfect lul.
I record music on a Scarlett 2i2 focusrite, should I get the 80ohmz instead the 250ohmz? Also was wondering to get the 700 pro x but I heard that is more oriented to media consumption than monitoring? Thanks and greetings from Argentina
Can you recommend me a budget amp to use with these? Mine just arrived in the mail and I'm wondering if I'm not driving them properly with the headphone jack on my pc.
I been trying to get use too them as my new headphones for music production but holy fuck everything feels so bright, shit sounds like it’s sizzling , Ssssssss
Interesting- as a user of ATH50s for 15 years having 3 pairs as a music lover you mentioned how you prefer Open back ? Perhaps I should try a pair of Grado’s since I want to have a new listening experience and people rave about them ? Thanks
m50 is a garbage of headphones and you want Grado which also is company with flawed headphones (all of them), if someone claim to love music usually invest in that hobby meanwhile you use some cheap headphones most likely with cheap source not knowing how your music should really sounds
Oh no, the K371 does > not < sound better than these. These > are < the best-sounding full-size, closed-back under $200. Mine's eight years old and still going strong.
Hi! I am searching for nice sound at moderate volume. I am adding vocals to piano tracks. I like what you said about being inspired by the sound but I have sensitive ears and want to protect myself from hearing loss. Would these 250 ohms headphones work with my Motu M2 pre-amp? And would they be isolating enough in a recording session? (You mentioned some sound leakage.)
I have a Motu M4 and just tested both the 80 and 250 ohm versions with them, both were loud enough, with the 80 ohm being able to reach a higher volume. In terms of how isolating they are, I've used them for monitoring spoken word and it hasn't leaked into a dynamic mic. They should be fine if you don't have them at a high volume but they do leak more sound than stuff like the 7506 or m50/m40.
Nice review! What do you mean under that it must be run through preamp because the phones can't power it. I'm tying one now, with my UAD arrow. Lower 30% lower the volume than my M40X but, on 75% volume it's very loud with music and guitar. With iphone 11pro, the sound loudh enough to enjoy the music. Or what you say means, that without a proper preamp it doesn't has proper sound details, lacks sound quality? UAD arrow manual says it runs 32ohm with 98miliwatts and 600 ohm with 32 miliwatts, and the DT needs around 90-95miliwatts to run properly. I hope you understand what I mean! Thanks!
If you have a good output from your interface or phone then you should be fine. My phone struggles with them and so does my Focusrite interface. But the Focusrite 2i2 doesn't have a particularly good headphone out.
@@WheezyTech Thanks for the answer! With the scarlet your volume is unsiffucient and hear less detail? Is it a noticable difference? Sorry for this noobish questions, but on other forums everybody says need amp, no volume, no details, on UAD arrow, because it powerd via thunderbolt. But the only notable difference what I hear is that, i have to turn the volume 30% up. Now listening music loud on 50% volume. I know if sounds good to me, it's good, but if i can achieve better details with the 80ohm version I'm going to change them :)
A shot there looks like these plugged directly into a Focusrite Scarlett interface, yet they recommend nothing above 200 ohms for use with this. How does your 250 ohm perform with this, or do you use an amplifier?
I have used them with the 2i2 Gen 2 and they get to a reasonable volume, tired with the 2i2 gen3 and its not as loud but its doable. However, using them as a monitor with the direct monitoring feature on the interface is a no go. The interface lowers its output when direct monitoring is on and it just wont drive them loud enough.
For general us such as movies and gaming ,music not that much as far as closed back headset which-one would you recommend ? DT 770 250 ohm , Shure SRH840-E , AKG K275 , AKG K371 ?
I'm very new to this high end headphone stuff and recently I got sick of using these cheap amazon headphones that don't produce low end at all. I have a Focusrite Scarlett Solo interface and that's what I have my microphone plugged into. I was looking at the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro's and I think I would want the 250ohm option because I heard it's better for music and general listening. But I have also heard that they might be too quiet or just sound wrong if now powered correctly. How can I power 250 ohm headphones using a Scarlett solo, and do you guys have any budget recommendations?
upgrading audio technica m50x. considering 250 ohm since i love to record in my studio - but maybe 32 because i also enjoy listening with iphone. would 80 ohm be the fit? thanks
Really in-depth review. However, I would like to see how you are driving these for your use. I notice you have a Scarlet audio interface. How does that fare with powering 250 ohm headphones?
I use an O2 amp to drive these. The Focusrite will drive them for audio playback but when using them as a monitoring headphone using the direct monitor feature they are too quiet to hear myself.
I got these babies today and I thought they will be great with my focusrite solo but they were not, they are not as loud as they should be so I guess a headphones amp is a must...unless I am doing something wrong connecting them to the focusrite? anyone? also, does this mean that if I return these and get the 80 ohms version they will sound great on the focusrite? thank you
Focusrite have a pretty low output so it struggles to drive the 770. The gen 2 Focusrites were a little bit better at that than the gen 3 but still not that loud. Best to use the 770 with a proper headphone amp.
Its a great headphone that I think in terms of sound is technically better than the DT 770 for sure. There's just something about the 770 that makes me want to use it more on a daily basis.
Having owned and still own this exact headphone for over 8 years now..The head band plastic holder/clips are still on but broken, patched up, broken again, patched up again, original cable broke some time later so i forced myself to do a removable cable mod 2 years ago. in the mean time i replaced the soft grey earpads for black ones snug fit and its black so absolutely worth it. am now considering to do a bluetooth mod but am hesitant due to the 250ohm part, meaning it needs power to fully enjoy its features.. any word on that?
DT770... I have both (well I have the 250 ohms) but I gave up on the ATH-M50X for music because the boosted 1k in them makes everything sound weird.... even the best mixed, best produced music sounds different in them, I can hear the boosted 1k in everything and it made me nuts.
I use this for audio mixing and they are almost suspiciously good compared to other headphones... with a headphone amp you can hear problems in a mix that you can't hear with other headphones... makes you panic and worry their are problems in mixes before you used them -- but just the same.. if you can't hear those problems in any other headphones are they really problems, or is it JUST these headphones? I've even found professional mixes from major label albums that have tons of noticeable artifacting in the sound with these.
!THAT! was a brilliant review. Pretty much covers all the things that aren’t usually covered properly. The 770 Pro 250 Ohm headphones were the first studio cans I ever owned due to a good friend of mine working for beyerdynamic. I still love them and most other headphones in the price range were a let down compared. After all these years! Many more expensive headphones came after them, but I still return to them frequently and they still are my drum monitor. Even after 12 years, my first pair is running like the first day. I love them. Just a great pair of headphones.
There's just something about them, that special combination of qualities. I have the AKG K371 which I think are probably technically superior in terms of sound. But I just keep coming back to the 770.
Wheezy Reviews I actually just bought the K371s. They are way superior in many aspects but I experience the issue that depending on the song, the vocals sometimes overpower the rest (feeling like a Peak, in my ears, should have been more present between 1.5k and 2k instead of 2.5-3k) and that a lack in presence of frequencies around 50-100Hz (especially compared to the sub bass regions) lead to bass drums drowning in the mix or then again, in other songs, being to harsh. Then, sometimes, they get completely lost against sub 50Hz some bass sounds which drives me nuts. I never had those issues with any other cans, respectively the DTS.
I (mistakedly) purchased the Beyer Dynamic DT770M. They are isolating, but that's it, they sound s&*%!
Yeah I've been covering the DT770 for a long time of course, and that's a good observation about the bass. Back when I started, even the 250 ohm was considered a basshead headphone. But nowadays with Harman saying a bass shelf is desirable, it might be considered just right
Yeah for me it's basically spot on in terms of my preferences
You and wheezy are my go to headphone lads, so non toxic and you just state your observations. I'm glad to hear you're still about in the comments.
Easily one of the best reviews for a complete audio noob like me. Thank you, I learned a lot from this.
Just stumbled across this vid. Excellent summary of the DT 770 250. I have a couple of these and they are an excellent well rounded headphone. I have one pair of DT 770's that just recently broke. The cable seems to have broken or come out of its clamp in the ear cup and now the right channel has stopped. I'll be fixing them this weekend. But it should be noted that this set of DT 770 250's are a little over 7 years old and have been used every day for several hours daily during that time. This set was my daily workhorse headphone. So keep that in mind when buying. It will hold up for years even with daily use.
Hey that's me at the end! Thank you for making great content! Sorry I couldn't watch earlier but I got sick af today, hopefully it's not the 'rona.
Stay safe!❤️
Awesome, thanks. Get well soon, hope it's not a bad one
Another excellent review. The DT770s were my favourite closed back for many years. I have owned a pair of 250ohms and now own a more recent 80ohm version. The 250ohms sounded like they had a little less bass and perhaps ever so slightly more refined/boosted treble. I kept the 80ohms because I decided the bass sounded just as clean to my ears, and I liked the boost :p Also the treble differences were much harder to tell, I spent a good few weeks with both and could still not reliably tell which one was which on tracks with no bass.
I would still be using my 80ohms if I hadn't gone into store and tested them against K371s, DT1770s & MMX300s (I took my Topping DX3 Pro into store to test with me haha) I liked the sound of the K371s but they did not seem to have good positioning in the tracks I used to test so I felt they would not be very good for gaming, which is just as important to me as music. The DT1770s and MMX300s sounded quite similar, but after 20min of ab testing I decided I liked the MMX300s sound better. I felt they were slightly cleaner all over the frequency response, which was shocking to me as the MMX300s are only 32ohms.. I have owned them a few weeks now and I still think they have the cleanest treble resolution out of any closed back I have heard. Already shrill sounding tracks that are slightly sibilant to my ears on all other beyer closed backs I owned or tested are just clean sounding on the MMX300s. The treble is still lifted, definitely more so than a DT770 80ohm, so probably slightly more than a DT770 250ohm as well. Probably around the same quantity as a DT990 actually, but the refinement and improved detail in the high end makes them much more listenable and enjoyable to me. Also for gaming these are like laser pinpointers - soundstage width feels the same so not sure if it's the imaging that has been tightened up or if it's the treble resolution that makes it noticeably easier to track enemies accurately than on my DT770 80ohms.
Thanks for your detailed comment. I really want the 1770 but I have heard they aren't worth it over the 770 as they don't sound much if any better. I'd still like to check them out. The MMX300 looks like a good option. I suppose its a closed back 880 with a mic attached.
@@WheezyTech Can you review those MMX 300 2nd Gens?
I've owned a pair from 2012 and this is a very accurate review. I recently changed to HD 650 as my daily driver, but I always come back to this pair as they sound so good with a little EQ.
What do u use to drive them?
@@Expository Fiio K5 Pro usually at mid gain since I have the 250 ohm verison.
@@0Waylandhonestly they run just fine off the fiio btr5 although I want to get them modded so I can use my balanced cable from my mezes to get a little more volume from certain videos on RUclips
I use my dt770 250ohm with a Astro mixamp. Its used for movies and sounds fantastic. I have to go to half volume on the mixamp to get to a decent listening level. I thought the mixamp would be under powered but it does work. The headphones sound full and robust with decent soundstage.
I'm very happy that I went with these headphones! And being so repairable, I'm ecstatic at that! I'll absolutely be modifying mine once the 3yr warranty runs out on my pair. The cable was absolutely the one big point of contention for me, but if they're that easily repairable / moddable, it's not an issue!
I now use these with just a cheap simple tube amp, the Bravo Ocean tube amp. And what a match made in heaven. The sound is simply fabulous. Highs and mids are very good. But the bass is what make this headphone so fun to use. I use primarily for movies. Watching the remake of Dawn of tbe Dead and wow the bass is more than i could wish for. When tbere was a gun shot, explosions i could feel the bass. Music has a very nice lean and precise punch to it. Overall this is a very good headphone that shines for movies and is fun to use.
thank you for the detailed review! i bought a set based on this review. i have a ATH-WS1100 i will be replacing for them with these. i am new to the audio game from the general gamer headphones. i cant stand the AT brand at this point anymore since i have had 2 of these headphones plastic fail at the earcup. having a large head is a curse
The 250 ohm version do sound better than the 80 ohm. Higher impedance has many sonic advantages. They need to be well amplified to reach their potential for sure. Good review.
Do you know how much power they need?
I have a 2W amp, would that be enough?
@@ioguapin 2 watts at what impedance level? Typically, headphone amp manufacturers state their output wattage initially into 16 ohm, and then rate higher impedance. They also show the lower wattage result at higher impedance. By 250 ohm, your headphone amp is probably at 500mw or less. Is that enough? In the case of the Beyer DT770, maybe, maybe not, as it also has pretty low sensitivity. If memory serves, it's around 93db? Totally will depend on what you're doing and how loud you need things to be. Impedance is a factor, for sure, but sensitivity is also a factor in pushing volume to your ears.
@@worldgonewrong2049 it is 2.4W at 33 ohm
I use these for gaming and they are amazing. Sound is very clear. Very flat sounding compared to other gaming headphones. They work very very good for gaming. I do recommend these, I use these on pc, not sure how console would work.
can a small 4 output amp power this headphone nicely...and produce sound well?
So far from all of the reviews on these I've watched/read, it seems the big sell point is the coiled cable, well I'm sold.
Thank you for all the details on the DT 770 head phones. I am going to get one myself.
1more triple headphones are comfy on-ear, and with a little mod (found on Head-fi) they sound truly amazing ! They are very very cheap on amazon.co.uk these times. I had mine for about 60 pounds.
how much the sound improved? i have these headphones without mod and honestly i hate them.
@@nonenothing4412 It depends how you hate them. with the mod, less bass (but still not as precise as plannar of course), better detail retrieval in the mids, and clearer highs. If your problem is distortion in the bass region, it's still here but less proeminent. with the mojo, the are ok, but with a more neutral dac/amp (such as the apple dongle) it's a delight. But maybe your hate is for something else. Crossovers ? My pure personal hate is for the DT770 80ohms.
so detailed review appriciate it
Just got my DT770 250 ohm the day before you posted this review. I agree with everything said. These are such solid all-rounders that I think they will always have a place in my collection. They are legends. Out of curiosity what amps did you power them with? I use a Monolith Liquid Spark and it is a pretty sweet pairing.
I use an O2 / SDAC
Great review! Ordered me a pair today.
Love your take on Beyer. Take care!
Love your headphone reviews. Keep up the good work.
I love my pair the only thing that I'd change about them is the ability to have a removable cable. I'll eventually mod mine but it would have been nice if it was standard.
Great, informative presentation but THE AMP, THE HEADPHONE AMP that you mentioned was a must. No suggestions?
Man, I dont know why all the reviews keep saying 250ohm needs an amp. Ive been using mine in my phone, computer, or guitar pedal, to block out noise, no problem, without having to crank the volume.
@@GeeMorno honestly i agree, it’s not super necessary to use an amp. it’s not very loud without one but it’s not quiet at max. but i’ve found when i use one it sounds cleaner and gives more separation to different parts of the mix. all preference when it comes down to it though, and i may just be trying to justify my purchase😂 oh well
@@gwendohshidt No need to justify your purchase. I think you did great. I love my 250ohmers. I did have a thought about what I said, & it did cross my mind about what you said; frequencies do seem to clear up & mixes seem more clear with a bit of a boosting help. Im still content with simply using my phone only. Its JUST enough, where I can block out, outside noise without cranking my ears off. But in louder places, most likely the level would not be enough. Those are the places where I resort to my in ears, rather than cranking the volume, I try to isolate outside noise first, before raising levels. Ive gone too many years as a child cranking junky 80s headphones, sterios, guitars, drums, mixing, live shows & attending concerts. So with that, AND the construction noise at work being a stage hand; Ive REALLY become cautious, & sensitive. My ears ring after every over exposure to sound, so at age 40, I can already sense fatigue early, & it seems to come even quicker these days. But I mainly bought these with reference mixing in mind at night. But listening to Dream Theatre with these, sure do make me hear a lot of things I never heard in the songs, previous to using these. Ive contamplated making a second lirchse, so that Im not wearing out my precious 250ohmers. But im worried about going lower in ohms & possibly sacrificing the main reason as to why I love these so much. But hey, hope these are still working out for you & thanks for the response.
Hey wheezy!
Awesome review. I bought the Dt 770 80ohn a few days ago and I'm enjoying them a lot. However, I'm missing some of the Soundstage that I had when I tried the Fidelio X2HR ( replaced them because of the piercing treble).
Your review of the HD 599 got me thinking... do you think i should go for the HD 599 or keep the Dt 770?
Or since I like the Dt 770, the Dt 990 would be the better choice?
If you have a little more money to spare go and get the Hifiman Sundara. They were the perfect upgrade to my Fidelio X2! The soundstage is a little smaller, but the detail and Imaging are way better
@@Boundless2k10 Appreciate the help! I ended up keeping the Dt 770 since it was less expensive to the wallet
I use these with a Motu M2 audio interface. Powers the 250 ohm version just fine for studio work. Almost bought a Schiit Magni headphone amp when i made the purchase, but the Motu's headphone amp is plenty.
Motu M2/4 is awesome one of the very few desktop interfaces with a good headphone amp
Odd my M4 barely powers my 250oh SE. Ordered a Douk U3 to power it in monitor mode for VO/Calls with my Earthworks Ethos. Is there a setting in the M4 to make it high power in monitor mode?
listening to these on my dt770 pro's I got off an auction. I wasn't really into audio before this, but I bought a cheap amp (e10k) and hooked em up and they are nice for what I got em for. Although I didn't notice *much* of a difference between hooking them up to my monitor and my dac/amp combo
what amp would you recommend for this
Your review is perfect. Thank's for your job. I own Custom Studio (80 ohms) and would love your opinion on them
How is the bass extension of custom Studio? Is it better or same as dt 770
@@shashankgarewal I don't have the 770. About the custom studio, they are quite neutral and dry. With sliders is possible to set bass intensity. For video games I prefer everything down, Iron maiden 1 step above and for Tool 2 steps above. CS sound cold but precise, not warm at all.
@@giusmetal Are you able to pin point foot step with these? As I do play games and with dt 770 Pro, I wasnt happy with imaging.
@@shashankgarewal Sorry I play only single player, so I don't think I'm helpful for you.
@@giusmetal bella fratm fanculo i multiplayer
Great video bud
thanks. very informative, very detailed
Hey, I have a question.
I’m debating on either the 250 ohm vs 80 ohm. I’m going to be using a MOTU M2 to power them.
My question is, in my specific scenario I play games, and also do simple in-home vocal recording and mixing. Which one would be best?
Will the Focusrite Solo's work as a powerful enough Headphones amp? Thanks!
Rodri Mora yes
But with an amp you’ll get more power and dynamics.
Focusrite Support: For all 1st Gen, 2nd Gen, and 3rd Gen Bus-Powered Scarlett interfaces (Solo, 2i2, 2i4, and 4i4), iTrack Solo and Saffire 6 USB look for headphones with a maximum impedance of 200 ohms.
xDGx does this mean 80ohms are preferable for the Scarlett 212?
it does not actually, I just got them today and connected to the focusrite solo they are not as loud as they should be. My ZST's in ear headphones are surprisingly great when connected to the focusrite
All LG phones since the V30 have a 32 bit quad DAC built in. Can drive up to 600 ohms. Just ordered the dt770 250 ohm version.
Nice, LG seem to be the only phone company that really cares about wired audio. I always forget about LG, they seem to have fallen off the face of the earth in the UK at least, phone shops don't carry them anymore.
@@WheezyTech the majority is stuck in their Samsung / IPhone box. I would recommend ordering one online. I had to. They're sold out locally here in the states. You won't regret it. It's like having a portable DAC&. I plan to use it at the gym and when I don't want to hear my kids. That's why I went closed back.
@@charlestannehill7537 now that a year has passed. Can you share some thoughts please?
@@rudyhaddad88 like what kind of thoughts? What would you like to know?
@@charlestannehill7537 I’d like to know if the phone drive the 250 ohms well? Do they sound good as a combination or would you recommend going for the open back dt-990 instead? Thanks!
Does anyone know which ohm version is best for gaming? Specially hearing footsteps and not so much explosions.
Good review.
I find it strange how many people claim that these headphones are hard to drive off phones. I have an exynos Samsung s8 plus and even with a EQ and preamp of - 4dB, I still get plenty of volume out of these. Even with things with more dynamic range, I don't find myself maxing out the volume, nearly at all. Maybe for very high dynamic range stuff I would need to max out the volume and maybe even turn off the EQ, but I don't think its impossible to run these off a decent phone.
No doubt there are phones that can drive the 250 to reasonable levels. I basically have to max my OP6 out to play to a reasonable volume and anything with any dynamic range is just no good with my phone. Same goes for using these as monitors with an audio interface, I just cannot hear myself loud enough in the monitoring with my Focusrite. So yeah its not so much that its impossible to drive these with portable devices but that its often not easy.
If you like closed back I'd HIGHLY recommend the Denon AH-D2000 There very old hat now an there is probably a better modern equivalent. But I've used mine to death. I'm looking at Beyers just to round out my closed back can collection.
I got mine with straight Cable . It is 250 Ohms Mine sound amazing I don't know why some don't like it. I didn't have any problem to drive them at all. I love mine. I also have DT990 pro 250 Ohms and Premium 600 Ohms and Premium 600 Ohms. DT880 . I love them all. . The VModaCrossFade LP2 I don't like them that much. Beyerdynamic are the best for me.
So is the 80-ohm version a better option if I intend to use it more on mobile devices more often (for classical music; And quite possibly, use it with the amplifiers in the future)? Please reply when you see this, I could REALLY use some advice from someone that is more professional than I am
Hey Wheezy. Good review. You made me notice other aspects of these cans. I have the 250 Ohm version as well. Allow me to ask... Have you tried listening Metallica's Black Album with it? It's very bright to my taste, for instance.
Thanks!
I haven't listened to that album in a long long time, I can imagine it would be a little bright yeah
The way the drums on that album are mixed always struck me as annoyingly bright, which is only going to be pushed even more forward by the 770
@@metal571 you're right.
I left the DT770 for EDM and heavy metal in general, for instance.
To conclude, I'll leave a very cool song to listen with the DT770: "Kickstart my heart" by "Mötley Crüe'". Sound is huge on these cans.
Cheers.
what should I use as amp for those headphones , if my laptop can drive it correctly, I'm using it mainly for music production
Would these work well if they're plugged into the new Rode NT USB Plus?
Or should I go for the 80 Ohms pair?
What do you mean when you say it needs a amp to power ?
Would an apollo interface be considered as a amp??
If it has a pre-amp paramter/knob on it, especially near the headphone input.
Hey, how loud can the 250 ohms go without extra Soundcars
Maybe you can Test it on a phone, and film from outside
Or you can answer me here
GOXLR MINI has headphone amp right?
These sound great directly from my LG V40 with Quad DAC.
Interesting. I remember the 250ohm version sounding a bit hollow in the mid range. Looks like I'll have to get one in again. Wish the custom studio was easier to get, it is still Imo the best sounding "dt770".
Great video once again.
I don't know why the custom studio needs to be such a price jump from the 770. I've been wanting to check it out for a while.
Wheezy Reviews I cant even find them where I live anymore. From memory they have the bass and mid range of the 250ohm (on linear bass position) but with the more toned down treble of the 80ohm(even less sharp IIRC) You loose a tad bit of soundstage but having treble that is just as detailed and a lot less sharp plus a removable cable is easily worth it IMO.
But price seems to be higher because of the removable cable and it seems to be less distributed as it just didn’t caught on in the semi mainstream market like the DT770 did. The removable cable I’ve also seen more than a few people have issues with it.
But I’m guessing it cost more to make and the broader market still eats up the DT770 so they could just want to cut costs and push the DT770 more. But that’s just a theory.
Do a review on the DT 1990 if you like it
I've been waiting til I get a few more videos out and get better at reviewing before I review the 1990. I might do them soon tho
Question, will the LG Quad DAC drive these, or would I be better off with the 80 ohm set?
I can't say 100% as I don't have that phone but I do have the 80 ohm 770 here too and it's much easier to drive off of my phone than the 250 ohm version
comprehensive review
best headphones
I have no interest in the DT770 but I watched the review just because I love to hear your take on audio. The only thing I remember about the 770 is Anna kendrick's character uses it in Pitch Perfect lul.
Awesome, thanks for watching :D
I record music on a Scarlett 2i2 focusrite, should I get the 80ohmz instead the 250ohmz? Also was wondering to get the 700 pro x but I heard that is more oriented to media consumption than monitoring? Thanks and greetings from Argentina
Can you recommend me a budget amp to use with these? Mine just arrived in the mail and I'm wondering if I'm not driving them properly with the headphone jack on my pc.
Which version of DT770 Pro, 80 or 250Ω, do you recommend for pairing with the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 2nd gen?
What did you go with? I'm on the same boat right now.
have the 1st gen scarlett and can power 250Ohms with ease.
I been trying to get use too them as my new headphones for music production but holy fuck everything feels so bright, shit sounds like it’s sizzling , Ssssssss
Do you believe the qudelix 5k could handle these in unbalanced mode with -6db equalizer headspace?
Interesting- as a user of ATH50s for 15 years having 3 pairs as a music lover you mentioned how you prefer Open back ? Perhaps I should try a pair of Grado’s since I want to have a new listening experience and people rave about them ?
Thanks
m50 is a garbage of headphones and you want Grado which also is company with flawed headphones (all of them), if someone claim to love music usually invest in that hobby meanwhile you use some cheap headphones most likely with cheap source not knowing how your music should really sounds
What about V Moda M200 ? Which one has best soundstage, V Moda m 200 or Beyerdynamic DT 770 pro 250ohm ? ..... And which one has good bass ?
Will new gen mobiles like SAMSUNG S22 ULTRA be able to power it? Of course I will use Samsung USB C CONVERTER not DAC
lol mount Beyer . I sold the 1990 since I couldn't handle the 8k, and I didn't EQ at the time.
Stunning headphones, crazy good! Give them power though or you will be disappointed.
Bought these to run off a Cambridge Audio CXA81. Will I still need a headphone amp?
best review
nice review
What (budget) amp&dac would be able to drive these? I’ve tried FiiO k3 and it was a total fail. Thanks.
I have a LG G8X with ess quad dac and it's supposed to support up to 600 Ohm.
Oh no, the K371 does > not < sound better than these. These > are < the best-sounding full-size, closed-back under $200.
Mine's eight years old and still going strong.
So AT mx50 is better that DT 770 250om for mixing?
Hi! I am searching for nice sound at moderate volume. I am adding vocals to piano tracks. I like what you said about being inspired by the sound but I have sensitive ears and want to protect myself from hearing loss. Would these 250 ohms headphones work with my Motu M2 pre-amp? And would they be isolating enough in a recording session? (You mentioned some sound leakage.)
I have a Motu M4 and just tested both the 80 and 250 ohm versions with them, both were loud enough, with the 80 ohm being able to reach a higher volume. In terms of how isolating they are, I've used them for monitoring spoken word and it hasn't leaked into a dynamic mic. They should be fine if you don't have them at a high volume but they do leak more sound than stuff like the 7506 or m50/m40.
Does the TC-Helicon GO XLR MINI run 250 ohm Headphones?
Nice review! What do you mean under that it must be run through preamp because the phones can't power it. I'm tying one now, with my UAD arrow. Lower 30% lower the volume than my M40X but, on 75% volume it's very loud with music and guitar. With iphone 11pro, the sound loudh enough to enjoy the music. Or what you say means, that without a proper preamp it doesn't has proper sound details, lacks sound quality? UAD arrow manual says it runs 32ohm with 98miliwatts and 600 ohm with 32 miliwatts, and the DT needs around 90-95miliwatts to run properly. I hope you understand what I mean! Thanks!
If you have a good output from your interface or phone then you should be fine. My phone struggles with them and so does my Focusrite interface. But the Focusrite 2i2 doesn't have a particularly good headphone out.
@@WheezyTech Thanks for the answer! With the scarlet your volume is unsiffucient and hear less detail? Is it a noticable difference? Sorry for this noobish questions, but on other forums everybody says need amp, no volume, no details, on UAD arrow, because it powerd via thunderbolt. But the only notable difference what I hear is that, i have to turn the volume 30% up. Now listening music loud on 50% volume. I know if sounds good to me, it's good, but if i can achieve better details with the 80ohm version I'm going to change them :)
A shot there looks like these plugged directly into a Focusrite Scarlett interface, yet they recommend nothing above 200 ohms for use with this. How does your 250 ohm perform with this, or do you use an amplifier?
I have used them with the 2i2 Gen 2 and they get to a reasonable volume, tired with the 2i2 gen3 and its not as loud but its doable. However, using them as a monitor with the direct monitoring feature on the interface is a no go. The interface lowers its output when direct monitoring is on and it just wont drive them loud enough.
Wheezy Reviews Does this mean that the 80ohms version is much better for monitoring with the 212 3rd gen?
Is the Scarlett 2i2 enough to drive this or should I buy a beringher headphone amp like the ha400?
The 2i2 struggles to properly drive the 770 so I would use a separate headphone amp
For general us such as movies and gaming ,music not that much as far as closed back headset which-one would you recommend ? DT 770 250 ohm , Shure SRH840-E , AKG K275 , AKG K371 ?
I have only tried the K371 and 770 but personally I would pick the 80 Ohm 770 for movies, tv and games. The K371 for music.
@@WheezyTech Thanks
I'm very new to this high end headphone stuff and recently I got sick of using these cheap amazon headphones that don't produce low end at all. I have a Focusrite Scarlett Solo interface and that's what I have my microphone plugged into. I was looking at the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro's and I think I would want the 250ohm option because I heard it's better for music and general listening. But I have also heard that they might be too quiet or just sound wrong if now powered correctly.
How can I power 250 ohm headphones using a Scarlett solo, and do you guys have any budget recommendations?
Will work fine on the Scarlet Solo
upgrading audio technica m50x. considering 250 ohm since i love to record in my studio - but maybe 32 because i also enjoy listening with iphone. would 80 ohm be the fit? thanks
if you enjoy music from iphone you must be real audiophile 🤣
Would these be good to use on my Yamaha keyboard ?
Really in-depth review. However, I would like to see how you are driving these for your use. I notice you have a Scarlet audio interface. How does that fare with powering 250 ohm headphones?
I use an O2 amp to drive these. The Focusrite will drive them for audio playback but when using them as a monitoring headphone using the direct monitor feature they are too quiet to hear myself.
Is it good for production?
Flat EQ sounding with good sound isolation for mic recording work.
I'm slightly concerned about my stupid cat trying to eat the external cables lol.
I worry about this so much, I don't let my cat near mine just in case
I got these babies today and I thought they will be great with my focusrite solo but they were not, they are not as loud as they should be so I guess a headphones amp is a must...unless I am doing something wrong connecting them to the focusrite? anyone? also, does this mean that if I return these and get the 80 ohms version they will sound great on the focusrite? thank you
Focusrite have a pretty low output so it struggles to drive the 770. The gen 2 Focusrites were a little bit better at that than the gen 3 but still not that loud. Best to use the 770 with a proper headphone amp.
"ATM" version? I'm lost.
Do you think the focusrite solo can power these headphones?
Yes
NOTE : You do NOT need a Headphone AMP IF you have something like a mixer.
i bought a pair of dt770 pro 250 ohms and my phone actually has wnough power to drive it. (Xiaomi Redmi 9T)
But what about the K371?
Its a great headphone that I think in terms of sound is technically better than the DT 770 for sure. There's just something about the 770 that makes me want to use it more on a daily basis.
DT770 has a way better soundstage than the AKG, but the FR is much more V shaped and colored. Tradeoffs. Both are good at their price and I own both.
Having owned and still own this exact headphone for over 8 years now..The head band plastic holder/clips are still on but broken, patched up, broken again, patched up again, original cable broke some time later so i forced myself to do a removable cable mod 2 years ago. in the mean time i replaced the soft grey earpads for black ones snug fit and its black so absolutely worth it. am now considering to do a bluetooth mod but am hesitant due to the 250ohm part, meaning it needs power to fully enjoy its features.. any word on that?
And another big plus, they aren't made in China!
*me sitting here in pain because the ear stems of my glasses push into my skull behind my ears* GIMME
ATH-M50x or DT770 Pro 80ohms?
DT770... I have both (well I have the 250 ohms) but I gave up on the ATH-M50X for music because the boosted 1k in them makes everything sound weird.... even the best mixed, best produced music sounds different in them, I can hear the boosted 1k in everything and it made me nuts.
Will the Fiio E10K be enough power for these? Thanks in advance!
“Poppers” 😂 In the States we call them snaps.
great video but I think your video would be a lot better if you increased the brightness in the video. Its a little to dark for my taste
Do u need amp on 250ohms
It would be highly recommended
First
:(
Second is still available at this time lol
DONT BUY IT. IT RATTLES ON LOW FREQ.
what?
Your eyes are huge.
I use this for audio mixing and they are almost suspiciously good compared to other headphones... with a headphone amp you can hear problems in a mix that you can't hear with other headphones... makes you panic and worry their are problems in mixes before you used them -- but just the same.. if you can't hear those problems in any other headphones are they really problems, or is it JUST these headphones? I've even found professional mixes from major label albums that have tons of noticeable artifacting in the sound with these.