@HRYZN Msc No they come here to teach math and Physics. Mine felt if you were in his class you should know it. Very strict no-nonsense. You had to hope your lab partner knew it or you were F>>>>Ked. I learned how smart he was and I wasn't and. learned more from my partner than him. Peace
Minor gripe: the difference between high and low impedance headphones is the *voltage* needed to drive them. The power should be about the same across headphone types.
Yes Sean with a higher voltage amp the current will be lower, however, different headphones do have different power requirements (based on more factors than just impedance) so the overall power does need to change. But I can see that to a more educated viewer, my use of language is a bit too vague! Sorry!
@@inthemix Good explanation. Yes, I was just worried about the conflating of the terms "voltage" and "power" in the video. Otherwise it was a good video as usual 😀
I've been studying electronics a million years ago. A famous basic formula being V = RI → Voltage (Volts), Resistance (Ohms), Intensity (Amperes). So the above mentionned by Sean. Also P = VI P being Power. LGTM at first sight.
I think it's still important to mention that sensitivity also matters a lot. Something like Abyss, Audeze, Hifiman often have low impedance but also low sensitivity so they need much more power to get loud enough.
Because it's nonsense to say that "high impedance heapdhones need more power". Impedance determines the relationship between voltage and current. How much power you need depends on the sensitivity or efficiency. Higher sensitivity means you need less power, but it also means that the noise floor of your amp and source needs to be lower .. otherwise you'll hear it. Higher impedance means you need less current, which at the same power is an EASIER load for an amplifier. On the other hand you need more voltage and therefore gain or turn up the volume more.
I agree. I've got good headphones and never checked impedance. I think this boils down to the fact that youtubers with the amount of viewers he gets get paid well and they gotta keep working
I don't know English. Which is better for my PC ? 32 or 250 ? 250 ohm have better sound but 250 ohm too much hard for a PC ? I want to buy a new Over-ear headset. "Sennheiser HD 280 pro (64 ohm)" is good choise for me ?(for music)
you can have headphones that have relatively low impedance, yet are very hard to drive because they are inneficient and have very low sensitivity. like the hifiman he-6se at 50 ohms and 83.5 db. low impedance is not always an indicator that a pair of headphones are going to be easy to drive. sennheiser hd800 have high empedance at 300 ohms but have very high efficiency. much easier to drive than he-6. impedance and sensitivity are equally important parameters to check.
I am always being asked which headphones are best and which impedance (ohm) is best! In this video, I hope to quickly answer lots of questions about headphones including: How do headphones work? What Ohm of headphones do I need? Which impedance sounds best? High or Low impedance headphones for Mixing and Mastering? How do headphones actually work? What's inside headphones? Do more ohms sound better?
Can you please help me, my micorphone came with M-Audio Vocal studio Pro II, it was fine when i first purchased it but nowadays whenever i try to record...there is a huge static noise... And i can't solve it...
Eh mate what microphone you recommend for voice recording vocals for EDM tracks. I understand that having a good voice and quality mic helps reduce the workload.
I had this question coming up in my head, too. So I asked Beyerdynamic directly. Specifically regarding the DT-770 and its three variants. Low impedance: thicker wire for the coil, makes it easier for the current/electrons to flow through that wire -> low resistance/impedance. High impedance: lighter wire, but the electrons have a harder time to travel through that "narrow hose" Having a thicker wire makes the coil heavier and less reactive, MEANING moving a bit slower compared to a lighter coil. So the the 32-Ohms-version has less top end, compared to the 80- or 250-Ohms-variant. I used and use all three versions here in a professional environment (broadcast). Being the convinced Beyerdynamic user that I am, my latest buy was a bunch of 32-Ohms DT-700 Pros. I do regret that buy! These cans sound too compressed and they're a tad too much on the dull side for my taste. But it was too late to return them, so I use them in a less exposed setting. When choosing headphones, in our field, besides the sound, other aspects come into play, too. For instance when being used by multiple persons it's good when you can clean the cushions more easily. Or, Beyerdynamic offers every single part as replacement parts, for decades and all models. They're made in Germany and they are a very solid company. The DT-770 Pros are built very sturdy, too. That being said, I can really recommend the 250-Ohms-version for a broad variety of use cases. IF you have weak headphone amps such as in mobile phones, I'd give the 80-Ohms-version a try or switch to maybe a Sennheiser HD-25 or an Audio-Technica ATH-M50x for that.
I have audient ID14 and RODE NT1-A. I have to use Phantom Power to be able to use the RODE NT1-A microphone. Should I get 250ohm Beyerdynamic headphones? Can Audient ID14 run both headphones and microphone at the same time? Please help me out cause I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to ohms and all that things with the voltage and power. 🙏🏻
(H. Inc) "A thicker wire makes the coil less reactive...So the 32 Ohm version has less top end than the 80 or 250 Ohm." -Are you sure about this? I think you mean the 32 Ohm has more top end than the 80 or 250 (due to thinner wires and more reactive coil.). I'm not sure, since these will be me first 80 Ohm headphones, but also, others have said the the opposite -meaning higher impedance gives more open soundstage, etc. Hard to know without personally A/B-ing them, i would think, due to all the variables in an audio chain and subjective ears.
@@wolfy9477, the Audient will have plenty of power to drive both. I have an ID 14 myself and use a phantom powered mic and the 250 ohm Beyers with no problems at all. FWIW, I sold my 80 ohm Beyers once I got the 250 ohm model. The 80 is a bit bass heavy and muddy sounding compared to the 250.
Some good info but you only said one vague sentence about the possible sound quality difference between different impedance headphones of the same brand. So I’m still uninformed as to whether I should go for 32, 80 or 250 ohm dt770s for home studio use.
It's all about your usage. If you have a dedicated amp and dac, go for the 250. If you will mostly use it your phone or laptop go with the 32 or 80 ohm. There's no a huge difference in sound quality. If you use the 250ohm on a phone it will sound good too but you won't be to turn it up higher. The volume might be too low for your taste.
When the coil moves, its technically called "Good Vibrations" as written by Amir Quadeer Shakir, aka "MC Spice The Legend", a good friend of Donnie Wahlberg, Mark Wahlberg, and Dan Hartman
Nice! I have the 770’s 250 ohm AND I happen to have the iD14!! When I purchased the headphones I wondered if the iD14 would drive it enough but quikly found out it did! Audient interfaces are pretty underated imo.
It's so hard to understand you because my english is very bad! 😂 But some things I understand, thank you, this video very useful. *I go to learn english😂
G. H i just ordered a pair of those, but the MKii version. I think they’re a solid budget buy. The frequency response graph is good. As said in one of the videos on this great channel, there’s no such a thing as “flat headphones” but you can find some of them close to that, get to know them is the best bet.
@@turkishultranationalist Hi. Could You give me a help, please. I bought a pair of Dt 990 250 ohms and connected to scarlett 4in4 3rd gen and they are playing so quiet. There is something that I can do to make it right or better send them back and get 80 ohms? Thank You
You seem to be confusing power with voltage. Low impedance headphones need less voltage and more current to drive them; high impedance headphones need less current and more voltage to drive them. Power is the product of voltage and current; so for a constant power current and voltage are traded against each other. Smartphones do not, generally, have the voltage swing to drive higher impedance headphones but do have the current capability; pro and prosumer amplifiers can have a much higher voltage rail to play with and will have no problem providing the much greater voltages required for higher impedance headphones. Lower impedance headphones use thicker wire with fewer turns (therefore greater current at lower potential) in the drive unit to create their magnetic field. High impedance headphones use thinner wire with more turns (less current at greater potential). For the Beyerdynamic DT770 all impedances have the same sensitivity due the variation of wire diameter vs. length as described above.
@@robjobse8860 None. I think higher impedance headphones are a legacy back to a time when headphones were used with amplifier's headphone sockets; and of course, studio gear. I've read there are audible differences between Beyer's DT770 series, but that may be just voicing.
Let's not forget the 'damping' factor, higher impedances allow for a better damping factor = more control on the actual push/pull of the diaphragms = more definition and a more 'precise' sculpting of the soundwaves, (at a higher voltage of course, otherwise it's worse than low impedance headphones)
It was my understanding 600ohm have less mass of copper which translates to more accurate and responsive diaphram movement. I have the 600 ohm version of DT880 and every review I saw said the 600ohm was better than the 250 which was close and the 80 ohm version which was noticeably inferior. I think the main reason we dont see 600ohm much anymore is because of the equipment we are plugging them into now not because 600ohm is old fashioned technology.
Correction: The reason studios used, and in fact demanded, high impedance phones was that they used so many of them and the easiest solution was just stringing them electrically in parallel. I have many parallel-wired headphone distribution boxes with 10 ohm resistors in series with each output to protect against low impedance multiples.
Hey, this was an amazing video! Thank you for teaching some of the scientific and technical engineering concepts, I really enjoyed the fact that you disassembled the earcups and showed us the actual driver technology and how the impedance relates to the coil length. Thank you!
You do not answer the main question; if I have a headphone amp and I have a very good dac, and I can connect my headphone to either higher or lower voltage or gain, what's gonna sound better; dt770 32 ohm, 80 Ohm, or 250 Ohm, from the exact same model?? This I need to know. Cause if 250 sounds better, I get that, with a headphone amp. If not, I get the 32 ohm, I can use it on my ipod or phone or plain dac, and don't have to bother with a headphone amp. but, this is unfortunately not answered, yet, right?
I did comparison with those three models and the same amp and dac! 250ohm sounds way better! More atack, more separation between instruments less muddy
What a perfect demonstration without sounding pretentious or getting too complex. I actually own the DT770s but only chose them because I thought a middle ground would be the safest bet lol. Much credit to you for your clear and pleasant delivery.
@@mikelisteral7863 Too much treble? I prefer that over too much bass lol... to each his own... There are flat cans out there, and while they are productive for mastering and such, they're very stale for music listening.
@@alternatingbitmusic stale? you mean accurate. all headphones on earth should be flat. use the eq if you want to mess around with what the artist intended you to hear.
@@mikelisteral7863 well with that logic an $11 pair of Skull Candy ear buds should be just perfect based on what EQ you set... get my point? It's just just flat/accurate, but it's the craftmanship and personal preference. So much of audio quality is perception based on the individual.
Higher ohms, the more power required to move the diaphragm. The more power required to move the diaphragm, the quicker the diaphragm will cease moving due to an absence of power...wouldn't that directly equate to higher sound quality? I don't know, maybe the difference is so imperceptible that it doesn't matter. Your thoughts? I've never had a pair higher than ~32 so I wouldn't know.
Higher impedance generally means higher dynamic range and that's about it. Of course many other things can result from that, like less distortion, less easier induction of strain electrical fields (less susceptibility to interference)... etc. But there are so many other variables that not all these can be true at the same time.
Recently purchased the Beyerdynamic DT-990 PRO and it was the best decision ever. Those work so well for producing, mixing and mastering for me. I'm using them on an Audient iD4 and the 250 Ohm are no issue at all (i was a bit worried at first, which is why i watched this video again). Volume is more than enough, turning it fully up would still blow your ears quickly i'd say.^^ Even on the poor headphone amp of my Samsung S9 there is still a decent volume possible. However it feels that some clarity/resolution gets lost in that case.
Two more points to add to the benefits of higher impedance headphones: 1. because they need more voltage to produce the same volume, you get a higher Signal to Noise ratio (small voltage noise from the electronics). 2. the ratio between the headphone impedance and the cable resistance is higher, so more of the audio energy is converted to sound, as opposed to dissipated on the cable.
1. Nope. These days headphone amps don't produce audible noise so this is not a factor. SNR of headphone output into any impedance is between -90...-140dB. There's no noise in headphones. 2. At 32+ ohms this value would be so small that this doesn't matter either unless the connection is broken in some way, for example from the plug not sitting tight in the socket. Impedance variation in headphones is a legacy phenomena. Old pro and home stereo interfaces used to have sketchy outputs so the headphones had to match impedance to them. Today it's a thing of the past unless you like vintage audio.
Hello (thx for the video) If someone is floating around : is the 250 ohm cable as noisy as the 80, or less? I just received the 80 ohms version, and the cable is really noisy + it seems I have good/powerful enough hardware to drive higher stuff. Is the noisy cable just an issue of mine or it's for all 80 ohm versions? I'm thinking to resent it and take the 250 (my guitar multiFX seems to be enough to drive 300-600 ohms, my portable wired USB + wireless double DAC (with batterie) seems to be enough to drive 300 ohms HD600/800) (yes, I'm a bit autistic, the 3m straight NOISY cable seems too long/triggering me... - 1.2 straight isn't enough to play guitar, but good for mastering, - 3m straight bad for mastering on my PC rig but good for guitar record, - 3m *coiled cable* might be the sweaspot for me IF it's NOT a NOISY cable)
I have the Beyerdynamic dt 990 pro 250 ohm and I use them for mixing music and on my portable devices and phone around the house and they sound EXCELLENT. I compared them to a lot of studio monitor headphones others and there were some that sounded about the same but I loved these due to the sound quality, the soft pads, you can replace every part if anything breaks and the classic old school look. You wont be disappointed with these headphones.
I think you did not mention the most import reason why we have low ohm and high ohm headphones which is greater signal to noise ratio (SNR) with high ohm headphones because higher voltage is needed to drive it. Greater SNR means hiss aka white noise becomes very small, for example when an artist is experimenting with specific tones of an instrument for his/her track. Power handling of the headphones is more or less the same unless someone want to go deaf (for ex. a 10 watt bulb is the same power in 110v or 220v country), therefore mismatching headphones can be dangerous.
Very very good video mate, I bought the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm around 4 years ago and I had to dig up and research all of what you explained in the first 5 minutes all by myself, this video would have been a lot of help back then. Love the DT 770 Pro by the way, these headphones are great.
Are you using them on a laptop or a PC? And for what prupose do you use them, music production or mixing? And its 2 years now since you wrote this comment, do you still use them? Id appreciate an answer if you see this, thanks!
@@andbe If you're using them with a laptop or PC without an amp it's best to probably go with the 32ohm versions. The 80ohms will work with some devices but won't be as loud as the 32ohm would be with that same device unless you also have an amp to power them. BUT the difference might be very minor, and some people might not even be able to tell, or it may be very drastic for you. YMMV
@@SchwettyBawls Hi bro, how will the 32ohm headphone behave with dj controllers , will it be too loud ? And I don't want to spend on an amp so is it fine or an amp with a 80 ohm version is a real game changer in terms of sound output quality? You can tell me as a beginner producers perspective. Thanks
@@LarcR Nice! It may work well with some setups and some people. But the higher ohm version will be quieter for other people depending on their setup and their level of hearing loss.
Still not an answer to the question 'which sounds best'. One consideration - If you get into the higher impedance headphones in an effort to 'get better sound'...now you have to add a headphone amp which can further color the sound. So you have the device, the headphones, and now a third piece of gear that can perhaps alter the sound to something better or worse...
real good video, with extra clear explanations. All with a nice smile, a calm "Zen" voice and no stupid distracting sound or visual effects. Just gettiong down to basics and straight to the point. Thank you so much.
Hi! I would buy a DT770 pro 250 ohm. I have an AKAI EIE PRO audio interface, do you think it can support headphones like this? Is it perhaps better to buy 80 ohms than 250 ohms for a home studio?
I'm really glad you made this video because at 1:05 in I know I can block your channel. Seriously, if you are going to make a video about electronics you should probably learn more about electronics first. The confidence with which you display your ignorance is inspiring.
On the 80 ohm version, the sub bass will be 5-7 dB quieter, and the treble above 7 kHz is 1 dB quieter than on the 250 ohm version. Consider this when buying. I bought an 80 ohm version and there is less sub bass than I would like. This is good for mixing music, but bad for listening.
this makes a lot of sense. i was interested in buying Beyerdynamic, and had no idea what this meant. this helped a lot, you explained it very well thank you
I'm just burning in a brand new pair of DT 990 Pros (250ohm) and I'm incrediby impressed! Although there are certain parts of the lower end which just aren't there compared to my maybe six year old pair of m40x's. I'm using an Alesis io2 Express USB interface which is fully capable of driving these that I'm aware of. Not really sure how to go about it. (the M40x's have no difference in quality whether in my interface or my motherboard, referencing to a comment about the io2 Express having caps not intended for anything lower than 200 ohms.) edit: tightened the sound up with a slight EQ in VoiceMetre. edit: Removed EQ. So it turns out that my motherboard has a much warmer, fuller sound than my interface. Also it seems that my motherboard's Realtek S1200A _is_ capable of powering 250ohms despite what the internet says.
2:04 You didn't really address the main question/purpose of this video: (for sound quality) why choose high impedance phones over low impedance phones (when using high power equipment) if the latter "will still sound good, it just means that you have to turn (the volume) down so that your ears are not blasted".
If I was going to produce music on the go, on my laptop, would 80 ohm headphones do the trick? (I have my studio at home with studio monitors however I need something to make music on the go.)
I also want to know the answer to this one. I'm going to be getting an audio interface as well but there way be times that I might want to do some producing on the go, on a laptop or perhaps occasionally on a phone. Is the sound going to be poor on the 80 ohm Beyerdynamics in that sort of situation?
@@connorbrown7455 I haven’t gotten an answer yet, however, instead I got the $100 yamaha headphones. They are 49 ohm (pretty much 50 ohm) and they sound great on my laptop.
Jesus Christ do you make a script and read it out or memorise it ? Not one stutter , not one word wasted ,I envy your speaking skills so much Subbed for sure , thank you so much for this
So im looking too buying the dt770 pro and im gonna use them on my pc so for listening to music and gaming. Am i gonna be good with the 80 Ohm or would i need lesser?
So, I am gonna use my headphones for listening to music and playing guitar through audio interface... If I understand correctly, I don't need 80 ohms and 32 ohms would do just fine. Am I right?
@@-adrians In principle yes: interface or dac; although I can tell you that I have a Samsung tablet, with which my 770s 80 ohms works great. I guess you'll have to try.
@@sergiobrinas2452 thank you for the reply. i am thinking mainly for an electric keyboard (roland fp-10) possibly my microsoft surface laptop 3, too? my iphone or ipad mini would not be able to handle however, correct? sorry for so many questions, i am so eager to listen to the soundstage of these headphones at my current equipment’s level but want to make sure i purchase the correct ones :p
I have the DT 770 PRO 250ohm and the DT 770 PRO 80ohm both working perfectly with either my pro equipment or my iPhone. No problem to play loud with the phone. But there is no apparent difference in either quality or volume between them. Shouldn't the 250ohm version sound a bit quieter than the 80ohm version? Or is the amp somehow compensating for the different resistance in the headphones?
I have a question for you guys. For my new digital piano (a Roland HP-704), I am considering to buy Beyerdynamic DT-770 headphones. So far I have understood that, in principle, the 32 Ohms version of this headphone should suffice. But I have also heard that in general the sound on 250 Ohms headphones might be better if you use a headphone amplifier. So what should I do? Just buy the 32 Ohms headphones or buy the 250 Ohms headphones along with a headphone amplifier? (And if so, which headphones amplifier?)
Maarten Ronteltap, I am also planning to use this DT770 specifically for my digital piano (Kawai Es110). I went with the 80 Ohm version. Yes, an amped 250 Ohm version may sound better than a 32 Ohm or 80 Ohm, however, any benefits in sound may not make any difference for use with a digital piano. It depends how you are going to hookup the headphones and for what purpose (for live listening during piano practice or recording/monitoring), because what you hear in either case will be different. Plugging headphones into any of the piano's analog ports (headphone jack or line outs) during live playing/practice may not be as clean a source as plugging into a studio grade mixing interface or external audiophile dac where it is separated from other electronic components. Using the headphones directly into the piano, means the piano's digital signal will be passing through whatever electronics and dac chip is provided by the piano manufacturer, before leaving the piano as an analog sound that you hear through your phones. Going through the piano's onboard electronics, may negate any differences heard between the diff Ohm versions of these headphones, as a piano is probably just as "digitally noisy" as a laptop, cellphone, or tablet. So, first test your pianos analog ports to see if you hear any soft hissing or noise by not playing any keys, and turning the piano volume up. However, if you are plugging your piano into a computer or mixing interface using USB, it keeps the signal clean, bypassing the piano's onboard dac. And then from the computer or USB interface, you'll have the opportunity to use a dac + amp with your headphones and to listen live or to finish mixing/recording the music on the computer before playing it back on a home Hi-Fi system, or portable digital audio player with the headphones. Keeping the original digital signal until the very end when it reaches the dac, amp, and speakers or headphones will give you the most clean sound. So, which version to go with? For live piano piano practice, plug 'n play, where you are just focused on playing and some digital noise or hiss isnt important, go with 32 or 80. If you will be listening critically for recording/mixing, you use Usb outs to a laptop or mixer, work with a daw and virtual/midi instruments, and digital noise bothers you during practice, or you will be listening to pre-recorded music and lossless music files, with an amp, get the 250 Ohm version. If you still cant decide, get the 80 Ohm, it can do either setup and unamped, will still let you upgrade and use an external dac or amp later on. Also, congrats! Roland has some of the best connection options out there for listening/recording, so you have various choices, even bluetooth! Good luck to you!
32. Use AKG or Sennheiser, with small headphone amps. Cost friendly+Does the job absolutely well. Or if you have tons of money to spend, then obviously the 250+ ones, with big amps.
Yes you can definitely use the 80 ohm in pretty much every occasion, whether it being plugged straight into several devices or with the use of amps. The sound quality still remains superb. But… The 80 Ohm is not supposed to be used for normal studio usage or hifi-amps (here you should use the 250 ohm) On the opposite, the 80 ohms also isn’t perfectly suitable for smartphones or devices powered by USB. (Here you should use the 32 ohm instead, because of a too low volume levels).
@@Dubufy You should look for people using the same audio interface/output device that you are using. I use the 770 pro 250ohm and I don´t need a amp(Steinberg Ur22C/44C, Line UX2, tested), my drum module didn´t work with the 250ohm but with other 80ohm´s(Roland TD-9).
Ohm sweet Ohm. The dynamic driver looks very similar to the insides of a dynamic microphone. Indeed, you can use headphones as a microphone, although it might not sound that good!
Which headphones would you recommend to use with a focusrite scarlett 2i2 3rd gen? I made the decission of buying a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro but i am doubting between the 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Thank you!!!
I just got the DT-990 Pro 250 Ohm open back for mixing and mastering in my studio using a separate headphone amp which has 4 headphone outputs. There’s plenty of volume and very precise. As when mixing and mastering you don’t want the headphones to falsely boost anything giving you a false impression of what the finished production will sound like. It needs to sound good when the end user listens on their chosen music device. I use a pair of 32 Ohm DT-100s for recording vocals as they are closed and do not leak sound into the vocal mic. My two Beyer Dynamic go to head phones for two different tasks. Finally a pair of Presonus E-5 monitors are ideal for my small home recording studio.
The higher impedance version has less mass in the coil. Lower moving mass of the driver makes it more responsive to the electrical signal, the jargon term is a 'faster' driver. This is why the higher impedance versions of otherwise similar headphones sound better (given sufficient amplification).
SUPER easy explanation. SUPER easy to follow along. I didn't have physics in HS, didn't take physics in college because I haven't gone to college (yet) so basically, i'm what I would consider self-taught. Your vids are incredible man! Really awesome stuff! Thank you for your content dude!
Hey really cool video explanation. I have a question, I am a guitar player and I the 32 ohm AKG K553 MII headphones plugged into my Line 6 Floor guitar processor. The AKGs are great. They produce great Bass sounds, but if i get the 250 ohm headphones would I get more bass sounds from that? I am looking for a better sound quality. Thank you for posting this.
Hey there. First I want to say thank you for bringing so much knowledge in a clean and clear explaining. I just bought the buyer dynamics 770dt pro 250 ohm..and I can't hear a difference in the volume vs my old headphones.(Sennheiser hd 215). I've been told by the seller that I won't be able to hear any sound if I will plug them to my Android phone and I did plug them and I heard exactly but much nicer sound then the others. So is it possible with 250ohm ? In my studio I use prism sound Orpheus FireWire interface..and the sound didn't get any louder please help me understand why is that? And if I should buy a headphone preamp? I'm confused.. Thank you Sensirly yoav.
Picked up a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250ohm for $60 at my local pawn shop! I've had them for years, only amping them off my computer. Definitely getting a USB headphone amp, or USB tube amp soon thanks to you! Great info! Thank again
Thanks man, you helped make my decision on my new headphone purchase. Almost bought a 250ohm headphone without really knowing what I was doing, you explained it perfectly.
hi,just ordered the dt 240 pro headphones just for listening to my music on my laptop, i always use a headphone amplifier with other headphones ive used in the past, im looking forward to see how they perform and sound either with or without the amp, thanks for the review it all makes sense now thanks to your in depth review.
This is informative. I’ve been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm headphones for over three years and it’s been great for me, especially since I am hard of hearing; sometimes I wear them with my hearing aids, sometimes not. They are good when I do music production too. Now I know more, so thank you!
And do you only listen to lossless audio? Because we're sacrificing a lot more quality by listening to mp3s than listening with low impedance headphones.
@@twistiv Same. I only have flacs/wavs etc. It gives a good reason to be morally consistent and get rid of old, pirated (in high school and college years) mp3s! And listening to music on streaming services is unfortunately out of the question. And bluetooth audio is out as well.
Guys, found this thread. I just posted a comment that you might be able to help with. I would appreciate it. Here it is: Hi, your studio is looking good! All this headphone/ monitoring thing is about referencing, right? I might go out on the tangent, but one great thing to do when mixing is using reference tracks, we all know that, so I got the monitors and the headphones right thanks to you, but now i just can not get good reliable song files to reference to. I bought a song to use as such but iTunes won’t let me take the file to import it in my daw. I was thinking on play a song in Spotify and record it through my interface, but it’ll go through my converters. So, do you know about a way to get files for referencing? Does MP3 do the job? Cuz I imagine it’s even harder to get WAV files of modern songs. Any way, appreciate any feedback, thanks.
@@bastianmaze_beats8730 Mp3 will do the job for referencing, but you'll have to use your imagination about what the artist intended for everything above about 16kHz. Because mp3 does not include that, even though humans can hear up to 20kHz. The sound and dynamics is also poor overall, in all frequency ranges. Better to use a lossless format like flac or wav. Why don't you just avoid itunes (it's garbage) and download lossless directly from the artist's website or streaming platform? Or support the artist and buy a CD?
Hey @In The Mix, I was actually looking to buy that exact headset. Because it's 80 Ohms, I dont need any amplifier, right? And it will still be nice and loud and full? For my setup, I have just a gaming PC that also plays the role of being my studio for music (I use FL Studios with many Native Instruments' tools) Thanks! You're the best!
In case this helps anyone, I used the audiotechnica M50's for a couple years and was never a huge fan of the sound, but that it must've just been my ears because everyone raves about them. I recently saw this video and switched to the Beyerdynamics DT770's and my goodness, they're amazing! Incredible headphones for mixing and just listening to music. You can hear so clearly where each element of the song is in the stereo field. Bass is great, way better than the AT M50's in my opinion.
Great video very informative, I have a question. So would the 80Ω headphones work fine if my device have a 32Ω output? I have the hyper x quad cast mic and the output is 32Ω and I want to get the DT 770 pro 80Ω. Will it work? Thank you!
I just bought the DT990 Pros (250 ohm) on sale without researching anything about impedance and now I know I won't be able to drive them properly with my laptop. Can anyone recommend a budget amp or DAC. This is all so complicated!
1. HD800 are 300ohm 2. The K701 have a far less efficient driver, they require a lot more power to get to decent listening volume 3. Even though the HD800 are 300ohm the driver itself is fairly efficient.
because impedance is just the value of how much electric resistance (or energy transmission loss) the system has due to entropy and joules law etc, it doesnt account for other factors
TheWretchedWorld will a beyerdynamic dt770 250 ohms handle a scarlett 2i2 ? im searching this everywhere and when i’ve asked focusrite customers about it , they said that the max impedance of the 2i2 is 200 ohm, but 250 will be only a little quiter. People are saying that 80ohms will be great, but at the other side they are saying that the sound is distoring when they turn up the volume and the bass is strange. I dont know what to do in this case and im so confused ;/ maybe 32 ohms, but im scared about the sound quality, can you help me ?
Thank you for such a clarifying explanation! Unfortunately, I'm not skilled in physics and don't want to make a bad decision so I will ask you straightforwardly: I want to buy a pair of DT770 pro to use only with my Digital Piano (Kawai NV5). What impedance model should I go for?
I actually bought the dt 770 80 ohm last week! I use them almost singlehandedly for music production, and they definitely need "higher volume" on my laptop to sound good. Also I feel like the bass disappears a little in them. Maybe the 32 ohm would have been better. Wish I would have seen this a week Ago! Great and interesting video anyhow 🙏
It's an old post, but I guess you need a good monitors, try to find "Custom Studio" by Beyerdynamic. They are based on DT 770 but have a much more neutral sound curve plus a bass slider (when closed it's linear and 3 positions of opened to help you hear how something will sound on different systems). The way you wrote this, I guess you're still learning, so be also aware that with 32ohm you might miss some details and for 80ohm and up, forget about laptop/PC onboard and get at least cheap DAC (it'll amplify your sound signal for higher impedance). B: Bass SHOULD be subtle, you're monitoring. If you want a headphones for track mastering, then go for the DT 1990 Pro, just note that they cost a lot more and you need a much better DAC to drive them (250ohm) but they have the best treble for that job, seriously they are so good that even in some popular songs you can hear when mastering wasn't perfect, microphone positioning etc.
@@L0vac @L0vac Lol yeah I was just starting put back then😅 I have the DT 880's rn, 250 ohm. I run them through an audio interface so all good there impedance wise. Nicely balanced cans, however they are a bit too hyped in the treble imo, less hyped than 990's that I also own lol, but still a bit too bright. I have been checking out the 1990's but rn they are a bit too expensive. But interesting about those custom studio ones, I'm intrigued! How well do you think they hold up against the 1990s? :) cheers
@@lando199 Well 1990 are also strong on treble (most studio mastering are) xD Less than 990 for sure, but don't know how it would compare to 880s. Regarding CS/1990 it's hard to compare them since first is closed-back monitoring and latter is open-back mastering. 1990 are not for noisy work surrounding as they will obviously let people arguing for example in. From the sound POV 1990 are of course better with wider soundstage and more "to the point" bass. BUT Custom Studio was about 25% of the 1990s price :S (sure you get a professional bundle with them but it's still a lot of money). I actually have them both at the moment, so if you're interested into something specific, give me a shout. Note that CS stopped manufacturing, so you'd need to get used ones and then new ear pads.
@@L0vac Haha that treble f***s up my highs in my mixes😅 Nah man that's cool, if you want then by all means but I don't think I wanna go through the hassle of finding a pair of good used ones if you get me. On a second note I think I'll wait with considering new phones and start treating my room instead, and use my studio monitors more :P
Great video, not just volume though because if you look at the frequency curve of a DT-770 80 ohm, it's different to the frequency curve of the DT-770 250 ohm
In fairness, Beyerdynamics, especially the 770/880/990, have significant unit variation issues. My pair of 80s and 250s could sound entirely different from how yours might sound.
nope:) thinner and longer coil wire inside the higher ohm version makes higher density and less space between coils cubic capacity which means better sound.
Actually yes but with more volume you get better and stable dynamics well dosent matter if you listen to CD quality audio but surely u will find a diffrence in HI-Fi Audio files like DSD or even Flac's.
This was great! I've been looking for recording headphones for a while, and was trying to understand Ohm so you helped a lot! I'm actually getting the mid level ones you showed in the video from beyerdynamic. Thank you!
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Minor gripe: the difference between high and low impedance headphones is the *voltage* needed to drive them. The power should be about the same across headphone types.
Yes Sean with a higher voltage amp the current will be lower, however, different headphones do have different power requirements (based on more factors than just impedance) so the overall power does need to change. But I can see that to a more educated viewer, my use of language is a bit too vague! Sorry!
@@inthemix Good explanation. Yes, I was just worried about the conflating of the terms "voltage" and "power" in the video. Otherwise it was a good video as usual 😀
@Blue SPL/mI??? do you mean mW?
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I've been studying electronics a million years ago. A famous basic formula being V = RI → Voltage (Volts), Resistance (Ohms), Intensity (Amperes). So the above mentionned by Sean.
Also P = VI P being Power.
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I think it's still important to mention that sensitivity also matters a lot. Something like Abyss, Audeze, Hifiman often have low impedance but also low sensitivity so they need much more power to get loud enough.
Because it's nonsense to say that "high impedance heapdhones need more power". Impedance determines the relationship between voltage and current.
How much power you need depends on the sensitivity or efficiency.
Higher sensitivity means you need less power, but it also means that the noise floor of your amp and source needs to be lower .. otherwise you'll hear it.
Higher impedance means you need less current, which at the same power is an EASIER load for an amplifier. On the other hand you need more voltage and therefore gain or turn up the volume more.
Those are planars, not dynamic... completely different technology and different electrical principles involved...
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I bought the 32 ohm because of this video. I'm very pleased with the quality. Thank you very much for the advice❤🎧
Are they good for Mixing and mastering????
Useful info. I've never looked into the impedance level of headphones I've bought in the past. Thanks!
I agree. I've got good headphones and never checked impedance. I think this boils down to the fact that youtubers with the amount of viewers he gets get paid well and they gotta keep working
@@professorswaggamuffin7572 no? Higher impedence can be a game changer
@@OskarSvan what do you feel the difference is in the sound?
I don't know English.
Which is better for my PC ? 32 or 250 ?
250 ohm have better sound but 250 ohm too much hard for a PC ?
I want to buy a new Over-ear headset. "Sennheiser HD 280 pro (64 ohm)" is good choise for me ?(for music)
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you can have headphones that have relatively low impedance, yet are very hard to drive because they are inneficient and have very low sensitivity. like the hifiman he-6se at 50 ohms and 83.5 db. low impedance is not always an indicator that a pair of headphones are going to be easy to drive. sennheiser hd800 have high empedance at 300 ohms but have very high efficiency. much easier to drive than he-6. impedance and sensitivity are equally important parameters to check.
Well exactly I have hifiman he-6se so hard to drive em that's why I am here not always impedence is the matter
I am always being asked which headphones are best and which impedance (ohm) is best!
In this video, I hope to quickly answer lots of questions about headphones including:
How do headphones work?
What Ohm of headphones do I need?
Which impedance sounds best?
High or Low impedance headphones for Mixing and Mastering?
How do headphones actually work?
What's inside headphones?
Do more ohms sound better?
Can you please help me, my micorphone came with M-Audio Vocal studio Pro II, it was fine when i first purchased it but nowadays whenever i try to record...there is a huge static noise...
And i can't solve it...
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Eh mate what microphone you recommend for voice recording vocals for EDM tracks. I understand that having a good voice and quality mic helps reduce the workload.
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How dare you accidentally teach me something cool. I love you.
Man, even being good at making music, I guess you are even more talented in teaching. Every video I see, I learn af.
I had this question coming up in my head, too. So I asked Beyerdynamic directly. Specifically regarding the DT-770 and its three variants.
Low impedance: thicker wire for the coil, makes it easier for the current/electrons to flow through that wire -> low resistance/impedance.
High impedance: lighter wire, but the electrons have a harder time to travel through that "narrow hose"
Having a thicker wire makes the coil heavier and less reactive, MEANING moving a bit slower compared to a lighter coil. So the the 32-Ohms-version has less top end, compared to the 80- or 250-Ohms-variant.
I used and use all three versions here in a professional environment (broadcast). Being the convinced Beyerdynamic user that I am, my latest buy was a bunch of 32-Ohms DT-700 Pros. I do regret that buy! These cans sound too compressed and they're a tad too much on the dull side for my taste. But it was too late to return them, so I use them in a less exposed setting. When choosing headphones, in our field, besides the sound, other aspects come into play, too. For instance when being used by multiple persons it's good when you can clean the cushions more easily. Or, Beyerdynamic offers every single part as replacement parts, for decades and all models. They're made in Germany and they are a very solid company. The DT-770 Pros are built very sturdy, too.
That being said, I can really recommend the 250-Ohms-version for a broad variety of use cases. IF you have weak headphone amps such as in mobile phones, I'd give the 80-Ohms-version a try or switch to maybe a Sennheiser HD-25 or an Audio-Technica ATH-M50x for that.
I have audient ID14 and RODE NT1-A. I have to use Phantom Power to be able to use the RODE NT1-A microphone. Should I get 250ohm Beyerdynamic headphones? Can Audient ID14 run both headphones and microphone at the same time?
Please help me out cause I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to ohms and all that things with the voltage and power. 🙏🏻
I've been looking at the 80 ohm to use with a Mac mini M1. Think I may get those based on what you've said here. Thanks.
Thank you, this makes a lot of sense!
(H. Inc) "A thicker wire makes the coil less reactive...So the 32 Ohm version has less top end than the 80 or 250 Ohm." -Are you sure about this? I think you mean the 32 Ohm has more top end than the 80 or 250 (due to thinner wires and more reactive coil.).
I'm not sure, since these will be me first 80 Ohm headphones, but also, others have said the the opposite -meaning higher impedance gives more open soundstage, etc. Hard to know without personally A/B-ing them, i would think, due to all the variables in an audio chain and subjective ears.
@@wolfy9477, the Audient will have plenty of power to drive both. I have an ID 14 myself and use a phantom powered mic and the 250 ohm Beyers with no problems at all. FWIW, I sold my 80 ohm Beyers once I got the 250 ohm model. The 80 is a bit bass heavy and muddy sounding compared to the 250.
I've just started studying electrical engineering so this was very interesting and easy to follow.
Same, I'm an EE senior student, so it was nice having a video where you know the stuff that's being talked about.
@@legalizemolly2771 i can relate 🤔
@@legalizemolly2771 Circuits I is often one of the hardest classes, just because of the intuition you need to get to understand the material
Computer engineering student here. I'm more drawn to EE though.
I'm not currently studying electric engineering and it was easy to follow for me
Best explanation I’ve ever seen on utube great vid and no back ground music.
Some good info but you only said one vague sentence about the possible sound quality difference between different impedance headphones of the same brand. So I’m still uninformed as to whether I should go for 32, 80 or 250 ohm dt770s for home studio use.
Same here. Hm.
I got to the end of the video, but I still don't know which one to go for, too hmmm
honestly 80 ohm is your best bet, their affordable. And as well as a nice sounding middle ground
It's all about your usage. If you have a dedicated amp and dac, go for the 250. If you will mostly use it your phone or laptop go with the 32 or 80 ohm. There's no a huge difference in sound quality. If you use the 250ohm on a phone it will sound good too but you won't be to turn it up higher. The volume might be too low for your taste.
@@felixf4378 friend do you know if in Scarlett Solo 3 Gen a 32ohms fone Works good? I saw they recomend 80 ohms or more ..
When the coil moves, its technically called "Good Vibrations" as written by Amir Quadeer Shakir, aka "MC Spice The Legend", a good friend of Donnie Wahlberg, Mark Wahlberg, and Dan Hartman
"Tons more coils" would make rather heavy headphones...
A few tonnes heavier I suppose!
Its called being a man
@@Sc2God724 it's called not getting the joke...
@@hakonsoreide that is the joke..
@@Sc2God724 I think the joke is probably getting too meta by now ... =P
Also, low impedance start hissing high power amps
Nice! I have the 770’s 250 ohm AND I happen to have the iD14!! When I purchased the headphones I wondered if the iD14 would drive it enough but quikly found out it did! Audient interfaces are pretty underated imo.
It's so hard to understand you because my english is very bad! 😂
But some things I understand, thank you, this video very useful.
*I go to learn english😂
great choice to upload this after i got my headphones
Oh no! What did you get?
i think 55 ohm headphones, it’s AKG K240 Studio Headphones
G. H i just ordered a pair of those, but the MKii version. I think they’re a solid budget buy. The frequency response graph is good. As said in one of the videos on this great channel, there’s no such a thing as “flat headphones” but you can find some of them close to that, get to know them is the best bet.
G. H omfg same happened to me 😂 i got the dt 990’s pro
@@turkishultranationalist Hi.
Could You give me a help, please.
I bought a pair of Dt 990 250 ohms and connected to scarlett 4in4 3rd gen and they are playing so quiet.
There is something that I can do to make it right or better send them back and get 80 ohms?
Thank You
insanely useful info. just bought my first 250ohm headphones and wanted to know more about impedance. thanks so much!
You seem to be confusing power with voltage. Low impedance headphones need less voltage and more current to drive them; high impedance headphones need less current and more voltage to drive them. Power is the product of voltage and current; so for a constant power current and voltage are traded against each other. Smartphones do not, generally, have the voltage swing to drive higher impedance headphones but do have the current capability; pro and prosumer amplifiers can have a much higher voltage rail to play with and will have no problem providing the much greater voltages required for higher impedance headphones. Lower impedance headphones use thicker wire with fewer turns (therefore greater current at lower potential) in the drive unit to create their magnetic field. High impedance headphones use thinner wire with more turns (less current at greater potential). For the Beyerdynamic DT770 all impedances have the same sensitivity due the variation of wire diameter vs. length as described above.
@@robjobse8860 None. I think higher impedance headphones are a legacy back to a time when headphones were used with amplifier's headphone sockets; and of course, studio gear. I've read there are audible differences between Beyer's DT770 series, but that may be just voicing.
Let's not forget the 'damping' factor, higher impedances allow for a better damping factor = more control on the actual push/pull of the diaphragms = more definition and a more 'precise' sculpting of the soundwaves, (at a higher voltage of course, otherwise it's worse than low impedance headphones)
@@robjobse8860 Nothing at all unless you have an amplifier designed for them
@@davidgriffin79 Some (especially older) amps sound shit unless driven pretty much maxed out - that's where 250 ohm headphones are useful.
It was my understanding 600ohm have less mass of copper which translates to more accurate and responsive diaphram movement. I have the 600 ohm version of DT880 and every review I saw said the 600ohm was better than the 250 which was close and the 80 ohm version which was noticeably inferior. I think the main reason we dont see 600ohm much anymore is because of the equipment we are plugging them into now not because 600ohm is old fashioned technology.
Correction: The reason studios used, and in fact demanded, high impedance phones was that they used so many of them and the easiest solution was just stringing them electrically in parallel. I have many parallel-wired headphone distribution boxes with 10 ohm resistors in series with each output to protect against low impedance multiples.
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Hey, this was an amazing video! Thank you for teaching some of the scientific and technical engineering concepts, I really enjoyed the fact that you disassembled the earcups and showed us the actual driver technology and how the impedance relates to the coil length. Thank you!
You do not answer the main question; if I have a headphone amp and I have a very good dac, and I can connect my headphone to either higher or lower voltage or gain, what's gonna sound better; dt770 32 ohm, 80 Ohm, or 250 Ohm, from the exact same model?? This I need to know. Cause if 250 sounds better, I get that, with a headphone amp. If not, I get the 32 ohm, I can use it on my ipod or phone or plain dac, and don't have to bother with a headphone amp. but, this is unfortunately not answered, yet, right?
250 sounds better to some. I do answer it in the video
I did comparison with those three models and the same amp and dac! 250ohm sounds way better! More atack, more separation between instruments less muddy
Unless you have an LG phone. You can plug anything and it sounds amazing.
which lg phones have headphone amps built in?
What a perfect demonstration without sounding pretentious or getting too complex. I actually own the DT770s but only chose them because I thought a middle ground would be the safest bet lol. Much credit to you for your clear and pleasant delivery.
dont 770 have too much treble? why cant anyone just make a proper flat sound signature
@@mikelisteral7863 Too much treble? I prefer that over too much bass lol... to each his own... There are flat cans out there, and while they are productive for mastering and such, they're very stale for music listening.
@@alternatingbitmusic stale? you mean accurate. all headphones on earth should be flat. use the eq if you want to mess around with what the artist intended you to hear.
@@mikelisteral7863 well with that logic an $11 pair of Skull Candy ear buds should be just perfect based on what EQ you set... get my point? It's just just flat/accurate, but it's the craftmanship and personal preference. So much of audio quality is perception based on the individual.
@@alternatingbitmusic you like treble? then listen to 70's music on a phone speaker. u have treble. haha
So many generalisations and myths in this video.
My 250ohm DT1990 Pros sound amazing and plenty loud straight out of my IPhone.
Simple but very useful 👍 But one question remains unanswered: which impedance messes up your hair most? 😜
Higher ohms, the more power required to move the diaphragm. The more power required to move the diaphragm, the quicker the diaphragm will cease moving due to an absence of power...wouldn't that directly equate to higher sound quality?
I don't know, maybe the difference is so imperceptible that it doesn't matter.
Your thoughts? I've never had a pair higher than ~32 so I wouldn't know.
Great video, I fully understand everything you have said. Glad I found it!
Higher impedance generally means higher dynamic range and that's about it. Of course many other things can result from that, like less distortion, less easier induction of strain electrical fields (less susceptibility to interference)... etc. But there are so many other variables that not all these can be true at the same time.
I use the 770 Pros 32Ω through a simple Dac connected to my computer and it sounds amazing. Works reasonably well with my phone as well.
Now a days phones have better internal audio cards compared to pc so ironic lol.
Recently purchased the Beyerdynamic DT-990 PRO and it was the best decision ever. Those work so well for producing, mixing and mastering for me. I'm using them on an Audient iD4 and the 250 Ohm are no issue at all (i was a bit worried at first, which is why i watched this video again). Volume is more than enough, turning it fully up would still blow your ears quickly i'd say.^^ Even on the poor headphone amp of my Samsung S9 there is still a decent volume possible. However it feels that some clarity/resolution gets lost in that case.
Id4 mark 1 or mk2?
@@DarkoP9.13 I've been using the MK1 and still happy with it. Can't say anything about MK2.
Two more points to add to the benefits of higher impedance headphones: 1. because they need more voltage to produce the same volume, you get a higher Signal to Noise ratio (small voltage noise from the electronics). 2. the ratio between the headphone impedance and the cable resistance is higher, so more of the audio energy is converted to sound, as opposed to dissipated on the cable.
1. Nope. These days headphone amps don't produce audible noise so this is not a factor. SNR of headphone output into any impedance is between -90...-140dB. There's no noise in headphones.
2. At 32+ ohms this value would be so small that this doesn't matter either unless the connection is broken in some way, for example from the plug not sitting tight in the socket.
Impedance variation in headphones is a legacy phenomena. Old pro and home stereo interfaces used to have sketchy outputs so the headphones had to match impedance to them. Today it's a thing of the past unless you like vintage audio.
@@marcinkoscielny1481 1. wrong. noise is always a factor in SNR. doesn't matter how low it is. 2. wrong again.
@@MrGuto 1. This doesn't make any sense. I made a completely different point.
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Hello (thx for the video)
If someone is floating around : is the 250 ohm cable as noisy as the 80, or less?
I just received the 80 ohms version, and the cable is really noisy + it seems I have good/powerful enough hardware to drive higher stuff.
Is the noisy cable just an issue of mine or it's for all 80 ohm versions? I'm thinking to resent it and take the 250
(my guitar multiFX seems to be enough to drive 300-600 ohms, my portable wired USB + wireless double DAC (with batterie) seems to be enough to drive 300 ohms HD600/800)
(yes, I'm a bit autistic, the 3m straight NOISY cable seems too long/triggering me...
- 1.2 straight isn't enough to play guitar, but good for mastering,
- 3m straight bad for mastering on my PC rig but good for guitar record,
- 3m *coiled cable* might be the sweaspot for me IF it's NOT a NOISY cable)
I have the Beyerdynamic dt 990 pro 250 ohm and I use them for mixing music and on my portable devices and phone around the house and they sound EXCELLENT. I compared them to a lot of studio monitor headphones others and there were some that sounded about the same but I loved these due to the sound quality, the soft pads, you can replace every part if anything breaks and the classic old school look. You wont be disappointed with these headphones.
You can’t replace the wires if they break. My right cup stopped producing sound after 3 months.
What audio interface or amp did you use
I think you did not mention the most import reason why we have low ohm and high ohm headphones which is greater signal to noise ratio (SNR) with high ohm headphones because higher voltage is needed to drive it. Greater SNR means hiss aka white noise becomes very small, for example when an artist is experimenting with specific tones of an instrument for his/her track. Power handling of the headphones is more or less the same unless someone want to go deaf (for ex. a 10 watt bulb is the same power in 110v or 220v country), therefore mismatching headphones can be dangerous.
Very very good video mate, I bought the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm around 4 years ago and I had to dig up and research all of what you explained in the first 5 minutes all by myself, this video would have been a lot of help back then. Love the DT 770 Pro by the way, these headphones are great.
Are you using them on a laptop or a PC? And for what prupose do you use them, music production or mixing? And its 2 years now since you wrote this comment, do you still use them?
Id appreciate an answer if you see this, thanks!
@@andbe If you're using them with a laptop or PC without an amp it's best to probably go with the 32ohm versions. The 80ohms will work with some devices but won't be as loud as the 32ohm would be with that same device unless you also have an amp to power them. BUT the difference might be very minor, and some people might not even be able to tell, or it may be very drastic for you. YMMV
@@SchwettyBawls Hi bro, how will the 32ohm headphone behave with dj controllers , will it be too loud ?
And I don't want to spend on an amp so is it fine or an amp with a 80 ohm version is a real game changer in terms of sound output quality?
You can tell me as a beginner producers perspective. Thanks
@@SchwettyBawls I'm running my DT 770 Pro 250 Ohm from the headphone jack on my PC. They sound great with the output level set at 30%.
@@LarcR Nice! It may work well with some setups and some people. But the higher ohm version will be quieter for other people depending on their setup and their level of hearing loss.
Still not an answer to the question 'which sounds best'. One consideration - If you get into the higher impedance headphones in an effort to 'get better sound'...now you have to add a headphone amp which can further color the sound. So you have the device, the headphones, and now a third piece of gear that can perhaps alter the sound to something better or worse...
You barely answered the question! Which ones are better?! personal preference is not answer you need to be more elaborate than that.
real good video, with extra clear explanations. All with a nice smile, a calm "Zen" voice and no stupid distracting sound or visual effects. Just gettiong down to basics and straight to the point. Thank you so much.
Hi! I would buy a DT770 pro 250 ohm. I have an AKAI EIE PRO audio interface, do you think it can support headphones like this? Is it perhaps better to buy 80 ohms than 250 ohms for a home studio?
This is SUCH a great video. Never thought I'd be proud of studying physics back in high school so much 🥰
I'm really glad you made this video because at 1:05 in I know I can block your channel. Seriously, if you are going to make a video about electronics you should probably learn more about electronics first. The confidence with which you display your ignorance is inspiring.
Yo, this video is so good that Beyerdynamic should use it.
Oh wait, they do lmao that's why I came! Props for making such good content.
2 Massive exclusions to add here
The hifiman susvara has an impedance of 60 ohms,yet you need a speaker amp to make it perform well
Listening to this video on my DT 770 Pro 250 Ohm when suddenly oh 2:55
Which audio interface/headphone amplifier do you use for 250 Ohm?
@@anuruddhaonline well? :D which one?
On the 80 ohm version, the sub bass will be 5-7 dB quieter, and the treble above 7 kHz is 1 dB quieter than on the 250 ohm version. Consider this when buying.
I bought an 80 ohm version and there is less sub bass than I would like. This is good for mixing music, but bad for listening.
this makes a lot of sense. i was interested in buying Beyerdynamic, and had no idea what this meant. this helped a lot, you explained it very well thank you
Bro i have a question remaining... Is 80 ohm good for all work... Like studio , mobile, pc
I'm just burning in a brand new pair of DT 990 Pros (250ohm) and I'm incrediby impressed! Although there are certain parts of the lower end which just aren't there compared to my maybe six year old pair of m40x's. I'm using an Alesis io2 Express USB interface which is fully capable of driving these that I'm aware of. Not really sure how to go about it. (the M40x's have no difference in quality whether in my interface or my motherboard, referencing to a comment about the io2 Express having caps not intended for anything lower than 200 ohms.)
edit: tightened the sound up with a slight EQ in VoiceMetre.
edit: Removed EQ. So it turns out that my motherboard has a much warmer, fuller sound than my interface. Also it seems that my motherboard's Realtek S1200A _is_ capable of powering 250ohms despite what the internet says.
if I have a Fiio K3 DAC will it work with Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250 Ohm?
2:04 You didn't really address the main question/purpose of this video: (for sound quality) why choose high impedance phones over low impedance phones (when using high power equipment) if the latter "will still sound good, it just means that you have to turn (the volume) down so that your ears are not blasted".
Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO VS Audio Technica ATH-MX50X
Plzz answer someone? I need them for making quality beats, i need good bass and so on
That's a difficult question. Hit me up on discord and I will do my best to help you.
My discord is: Flexi#2086
Thank you SO much for this video, you literally explained everything I wanted to know and more!
Is the DT770 80-ohm version good enough for mixing or do I need to buy the 250 ohms?
Why does the inside of headphones look like used condoms😄
I was thinking the same 😭fucking my ears
If I was going to produce music on the go, on my laptop, would 80 ohm headphones do the trick? (I have my studio at home with studio monitors however I need something to make music on the go.)
I also want to know the answer to this one. I'm going to be getting an audio interface as well but there way be times that I might want to do some producing on the go, on a laptop or perhaps occasionally on a phone. Is the sound going to be poor on the 80 ohm Beyerdynamics in that sort of situation?
@@connorbrown7455 I haven’t gotten an answer yet, however, instead I got the $100 yamaha headphones. They are 49 ohm (pretty much 50 ohm) and they sound great on my laptop.
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Subbed for sure , thank you so much for this
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So im looking too buying the dt770 pro and im gonna use them on my pc so for listening to music and gaming. Am i gonna be good with the 80 Ohm or would i need lesser?
So, I am gonna use my headphones for listening to music and playing guitar through audio interface... If I understand correctly, I don't need 80 ohms and 32 ohms would do just fine. Am I right?
(9 months later) yes!
@@sergiobrinas2452 80 ohm version would require an interface?
@@-adrians In principle yes: interface or dac; although I can tell you that I have a Samsung tablet, with which my 770s 80 ohms works great. I guess you'll have to try.
@@sergiobrinas2452 thank you for the reply. i am thinking mainly for an electric keyboard (roland fp-10) possibly my microsoft surface laptop 3, too? my iphone or ipad mini would not be able to handle however, correct? sorry for so many questions, i am so eager to listen to the soundstage of these headphones at my current equipment’s level but want to make sure i purchase the correct ones :p
@@-adrians In your case, I would buy the 32 ohms version; you will hear it just as well and you won't have to worry about the power.
I have the DT 770 PRO 250ohm and the DT 770 PRO 80ohm both working perfectly with either my pro equipment or my iPhone. No problem to play loud with the phone. But there is no apparent difference in either quality or volume between them. Shouldn't the 250ohm version sound a bit quieter than the 80ohm version? Or is the amp somehow compensating for the different resistance in the headphones?
Do u need an audio interface or amp for the 770 pro 80 ohm ? I’m looking to get em for my M1 macbook air for mixing my beats.
I have a question for you guys. For my new digital piano (a Roland HP-704), I am considering to buy Beyerdynamic DT-770 headphones. So far I have understood that, in principle, the 32 Ohms version of this headphone should suffice. But I have also heard that in general the sound on 250 Ohms headphones might be better if you use a headphone amplifier. So what should I do? Just buy the 32 Ohms headphones or buy the 250 Ohms headphones along with a headphone amplifier? (And if so, which headphones amplifier?)
Maarten Ronteltap, I am also planning to use this DT770 specifically for my digital piano (Kawai Es110). I went with the 80 Ohm version. Yes, an amped 250 Ohm version may sound better than a 32 Ohm or 80 Ohm, however, any benefits in sound may not make any difference for use with a digital piano. It depends how you are going to hookup the headphones and for what purpose (for live listening during piano practice or recording/monitoring), because what you hear in either case will be different.
Plugging headphones into any of the piano's analog ports (headphone jack or line outs) during live playing/practice may not be as clean a source as plugging into a studio grade mixing interface or external audiophile dac where it is separated from other electronic components.
Using the headphones directly into the piano, means the piano's digital signal will be passing through whatever electronics and dac chip is provided by the piano manufacturer, before leaving the piano as an analog sound that you hear through your phones. Going through the piano's onboard electronics, may negate any differences heard between the diff Ohm versions of these headphones, as a piano is probably just as "digitally noisy" as a laptop, cellphone, or tablet. So, first test your pianos analog ports to see if you hear any soft hissing or noise by not playing any keys, and turning the piano volume up.
However, if you are plugging your piano into a computer or mixing interface using USB, it keeps the signal clean, bypassing the piano's onboard dac. And then from the computer or USB interface, you'll have the opportunity to use a dac + amp with your headphones and to listen live or to finish mixing/recording the music on the computer before playing it back on a home Hi-Fi system, or portable digital audio player with the headphones. Keeping the original digital signal until the very end when it reaches the dac, amp, and speakers or headphones will give you the most clean sound.
So, which version to go with? For live piano piano practice, plug 'n play, where you are just focused on playing and some digital noise or hiss isnt important, go with 32 or 80.
If you will be listening critically for recording/mixing, you use Usb outs to a laptop or mixer, work with a daw and virtual/midi instruments, and digital noise bothers you during practice, or you will be listening to pre-recorded music and lossless music files, with an amp, get the 250 Ohm version.
If you still cant decide, get the 80 Ohm, it can do either setup and unamped, will still let you upgrade and use an external dac or amp later on.
Also, congrats! Roland has some of the best connection options out there for listening/recording, so you have various choices, even bluetooth! Good luck to you!
I use laptop. then which ohms is better? I use FL studio though.
I produce and mix and master with headphones also.
32. Use AKG or Sennheiser, with small headphone amps. Cost friendly+Does the job absolutely well.
Or if you have tons of money to spend, then obviously the 250+ ones, with big amps.
Great explanation. I owned the 80 ohms BD DT770 Pro for years and there’s simply no turning back to any other pair of headphones for me.
@@Dubufy Wondering the same thing here
Yes you can definitely use the 80 ohm in pretty much every occasion, whether it being plugged straight into several devices or with the use of amps. The sound quality still remains superb. But…
The 80 Ohm is not supposed to be used for normal
studio usage or hifi-amps (here you should use the 250 ohm)
On the opposite, the 80 ohms also isn’t perfectly suitable for smartphones or devices powered by USB. (Here you should use the 32 ohm instead, because of a too low volume levels).
@@Dubufy You should look for people using the same audio interface/output device that you are using. I use the 770 pro 250ohm and I don´t need a amp(Steinberg Ur22C/44C, Line UX2, tested), my drum module didn´t work with the 250ohm but with other 80ohm´s(Roland TD-9).
@Alexander Deris I’d go for the 250 ohm
Ohm sweet Ohm. The dynamic driver looks very similar to the insides of a dynamic microphone. Indeed, you can use headphones as a microphone, although it might not sound that good!
Which headphones would you recommend to use with a focusrite scarlett 2i2 3rd gen? I made the decission of buying a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro but i am doubting between the 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Thank you!!!
im using focusrite scarlett 1st gen with 770 pro 80 ohms, they work great with it.
@@maxolsen8239 do you know if It Works good if a 32 ohms earfone?
I just got the DT-990 Pro 250 Ohm open back for mixing and mastering in my studio using a separate headphone amp which has 4 headphone outputs. There’s plenty of volume and very precise. As when mixing and mastering you don’t want the headphones to falsely boost anything giving you a false impression of what the finished production will sound like. It needs to sound good when the end user listens on their chosen music device. I use a pair of 32 Ohm DT-100s for recording vocals as they are closed and do not leak sound into the vocal mic. My two Beyer Dynamic go to head phones for two different tasks. Finally a pair of Presonus E-5 monitors are ideal for my small home recording studio.
The higher impedance version has less mass in the coil. Lower moving mass of the driver makes it more responsive to the electrical signal, the jargon term is a 'faster' driver. This is why the higher impedance versions of otherwise similar headphones sound better (given sufficient amplification).
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SUPER easy explanation. SUPER easy to follow along. I didn't have physics in HS, didn't take physics in college because I haven't gone to college (yet) so basically, i'm what I would consider self-taught. Your vids are incredible man! Really awesome stuff! Thank you for your content dude!
Except he’s mostly wrong or oversimplifying.
What if I am plugging these into my computer or blue yeti ???
I loved the disassembly part! I just finished an electromagnetism course, so it was awesome to see this application.
I wish they showed me stuff like this when I was studying Electronics on my course!
Hey really cool video explanation. I have a question, I am a guitar player and I the 32 ohm AKG K553 MII headphones plugged into my Line 6 Floor guitar processor. The AKGs are great. They produce great Bass sounds, but if i get the 250 ohm headphones would I get more bass sounds from that? I am looking for a better sound quality. Thank you for posting this.
I don't get it! The title of this video is " Which headphones sound best? "
So where is it???
yeah i didnt hear an answer to that too
i guess high ohms? cause you have enough power to supply high lows and mids?
Hey there.
First I want to say thank you for bringing so much knowledge in a clean and clear explaining.
I just bought the buyer dynamics 770dt pro 250 ohm..and I can't hear a difference in the volume vs my old headphones.(Sennheiser hd 215).
I've been told by the seller that I won't be able to hear any sound if I will plug them to my Android phone and I did plug them and I heard exactly but much nicer sound then the others.
So is it possible with 250ohm ?
In my studio I use prism sound Orpheus FireWire interface..and the sound didn't get any louder please help me understand why is that?
And if I should buy a headphone preamp?
I'm confused..
Thank you
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mans really ended it like that
Informative with a soothing, calm and reassuring delivery I could listen to all day. You obviously love what you do and it shows.
i couldn't agree more
Picked up a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250ohm for $60 at my local pawn shop! I've had them for years, only amping them off my computer. Definitely getting a USB headphone amp, or USB tube amp soon thanks to you! Great info! Thank again
Thanks man, you helped make my decision on my new headphone purchase. Almost bought a 250ohm headphone without really knowing what I was doing, you explained it perfectly.
hi,just ordered the dt 240 pro headphones just for listening to my music on my laptop, i always use a headphone amplifier with other headphones ive used in the past, im looking forward to see how they perform and sound either with or without the amp, thanks for the review it all makes sense now thanks to your in depth review.
This is informative. I’ve been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm headphones for over three years and it’s been great for me, especially since I am hard of hearing; sometimes I wear them with my hearing aids, sometimes not. They are good when I do music production too. Now I know more, so thank you!
Do you need to buy an external microphone for chatting or can you chat online with only the headset?
@@STARK0181if u want to talk to people online then yes u need an external mic
Does the DT990 have head adjustment for big heads?
I'm one of those people that walk around with a headphone amp strapped to their phone. I never want to sacrifice sound quality
And do you only listen to lossless audio? Because we're sacrificing a lot more quality by listening to mp3s than listening with low impedance headphones.
@@EricPeelMusic Absolutely, I have a Flac collection that I play from
@@twistiv Same. I only have flacs/wavs etc. It gives a good reason to be morally consistent and get rid of old, pirated (in high school and college years) mp3s! And listening to music on streaming services is unfortunately out of the question. And bluetooth audio is out as well.
Guys, found this thread. I just posted a comment that you might be able to help with. I would appreciate it. Here it is: Hi, your studio is looking good! All this headphone/ monitoring thing is about referencing, right? I might go out on the tangent, but one great thing to do when mixing is using reference tracks, we all know that, so I got the monitors and the headphones right thanks to you, but now i just can not get good reliable song files to reference to. I bought a song to use as such but iTunes won’t let me take the file to import it in my daw. I was thinking on play a song in Spotify and record it through my interface, but it’ll go through my converters. So, do you know about a way to get files for referencing? Does MP3 do the job? Cuz I imagine it’s even harder to get WAV files of modern songs. Any way, appreciate any feedback, thanks.
@@bastianmaze_beats8730 Mp3 will do the job for referencing, but you'll have to use your imagination about what the artist intended for everything above about 16kHz. Because mp3 does not include that, even though humans can hear up to 20kHz. The sound and dynamics is also poor overall, in all frequency ranges. Better to use a lossless format like flac or wav. Why don't you just avoid itunes (it's garbage) and download lossless directly from the artist's website or streaming platform? Or support the artist and buy a CD?
Hey @In The Mix, I was actually looking to buy that exact headset. Because it's 80 Ohms, I dont need any amplifier, right? And it will still be nice and loud and full? For my setup, I have just a gaming PC that also plays the role of being my studio for music (I use FL Studios with many Native Instruments' tools)
Thanks! You're the best!
Hey did u buy the 80 Ohms headphones and if so do they work well without an amp?
@@NOWAY411_ hey, I ended up getting the DT770s 250 Ohms. I got the Schiit stack with it (the Amp and dac) and I love it. Worth it to me! :)
In case this helps anyone, I used the audiotechnica M50's for a couple years and was never a huge fan of the sound, but that it must've just been my ears because everyone raves about them. I recently saw this video and switched to the Beyerdynamics DT770's and my goodness, they're amazing! Incredible headphones for mixing and just listening to music. You can hear so clearly where each element of the song is in the stereo field. Bass is great, way better than the AT M50's in my opinion.
Athm50 are only good for tracking imho, not for mixing. Edit: typo
What audio interface or amp did you use
Great video very informative, I have a question. So would the 80Ω headphones work fine if my device have a 32Ω output? I have the hyper x quad cast mic and the output is 32Ω and I want to get the DT 770 pro 80Ω. Will it work? Thank you!
I just bought the DT990 Pros (250 ohm) on sale without researching anything about impedance and now I know I won't be able to drive them properly with my laptop. Can anyone recommend a budget amp or DAC. This is all so complicated!
Hi! I have a question: How can it be that my 600 Ohm Sennheiser HD800 sounds louder that my 60 Ohm AKG K701?
1. HD800 are 300ohm
2. The K701 have a far less efficient driver, they require a lot more power to get to decent listening volume
3. Even though the HD800 are 300ohm the driver itself is fairly efficient.
because impedance is just the value of how much electric resistance (or energy transmission loss) the system has due to entropy and joules law etc, it doesnt account for other factors
TheWretchedWorld will a beyerdynamic dt770 250 ohms handle a scarlett 2i2 ? im searching this everywhere and when i’ve asked focusrite customers about it , they said that the max impedance of the 2i2 is 200 ohm, but 250 will be only a little quiter. People are saying that 80ohms will be great, but at the other side they are saying that the sound is distoring when they turn up the volume and the bass is strange. I dont know what to do in this case and im so confused ;/ maybe 32 ohms, but im scared about the sound quality, can you help me ?
@@krzaqs0n787 will be fine but you'd be better off with the 80ohm if connecting it to the Scarlett. Will get a lot louder
Thank you for such a clarifying explanation! Unfortunately, I'm not skilled in physics and don't want to make a bad decision so I will ask you straightforwardly: I want to buy a pair of DT770 pro to use only with my Digital Piano (Kawai NV5). What impedance model should I go for?
Following, I have the same question for my Kawai acoustic piano with silent system 😅
You should get 32 or 80 ohm.
@@iamjaysum thanks! I just got the 80ohm and they sound amazing
Congratulations man! I also got 80ohm today for myself as well! 🥰
@@iamjaysum following both of you and will head to the store to get the 80 , thanks!
I actually bought the dt 770 80 ohm last week! I use them almost singlehandedly for music production, and they definitely need "higher volume" on my laptop to sound good. Also I feel like the bass disappears a little in them. Maybe the 32 ohm would have been better. Wish I would have seen this a week Ago! Great and interesting video anyhow 🙏
It's an old post, but I guess you need a good monitors, try to find "Custom Studio" by Beyerdynamic. They are based on DT 770 but have a much more neutral sound curve plus a bass slider (when closed it's linear and 3 positions of opened to help you hear how something will sound on different systems). The way you wrote this, I guess you're still learning, so be also aware that with 32ohm you might miss some details and for 80ohm and up, forget about laptop/PC onboard and get at least cheap DAC (it'll amplify your sound signal for higher impedance).
B: Bass SHOULD be subtle, you're monitoring. If you want a headphones for track mastering, then go for the DT 1990 Pro, just note that they cost a lot more and you need a much better DAC to drive them (250ohm) but they have the best treble for that job, seriously they are so good that even in some popular songs you can hear when mastering wasn't perfect, microphone positioning etc.
@@L0vac @L0vac Lol yeah I was just starting put back then😅 I have the DT 880's rn, 250 ohm. I run them through an audio interface so all good there impedance wise. Nicely balanced cans, however they are a bit too hyped in the treble imo, less hyped than 990's that I also own lol, but still a bit too bright.
I have been checking out the 1990's but rn they are a bit too expensive. But interesting about those custom studio ones, I'm intrigued! How well do you think they hold up against the 1990s? :) cheers
@@lando199 Well 1990 are also strong on treble (most studio mastering are) xD Less than 990 for sure, but don't know how it would compare to 880s.
Regarding CS/1990 it's hard to compare them since first is closed-back monitoring and latter is open-back mastering. 1990 are not for noisy work surrounding as they will obviously let people arguing for example in. From the sound POV 1990 are of course better with wider soundstage and more "to the point" bass. BUT Custom Studio was about 25% of the 1990s price :S (sure you get a professional bundle with them but it's still a lot of money). I actually have them both at the moment, so if you're interested into something specific, give me a shout.
Note that CS stopped manufacturing, so you'd need to get used ones and then new ear pads.
@@L0vac Haha that treble f***s up my highs in my mixes😅 Nah man that's cool, if you want then by all means but I don't think I wanna go through the hassle of finding a pair of good used ones if you get me. On a second note I think I'll wait with considering new phones and start treating my room instead, and use my studio monitors more :P
Great video, not just volume though because if you look at the frequency curve of a DT-770 80 ohm, it's different to the frequency curve of the DT-770 250 ohm
In fairness, Beyerdynamics, especially the 770/880/990, have significant unit variation issues.
My pair of 80s and 250s could sound entirely different from how yours might sound.
so the 32ohm sounds almost exactly like the 80ohm no sound difference ,the only difference is in the volume right?
Would love to know exactly this as well
nope:) thinner and longer coil wire inside the higher ohm version makes higher density and less space between coils cubic capacity which means better sound.
Actually yes but with more volume you get better and stable dynamics well dosent matter if you listen to CD quality audio but surely u will find a diffrence in HI-Fi Audio files like DSD or even Flac's.
when you pulled the wire from the diaphragm, i kinda cringed a little bit lmao
This was great! I've been looking for recording headphones for a while, and was trying to understand Ohm so you helped a lot! I'm actually getting the mid level ones you showed in the video from beyerdynamic. Thank you!
This is such a fantastic video. Your explanations are so clear and to the point. Thanks!
Very informative and straight to the point, no ad bullshit like linus smelly feet. You rock man keep it up!
Dude thank you so much for this video. Just bought the 250's and thought I was screwed.
I have to buy and amp anyways