I have been using the Beyer 770 pro for 5 years, traveling many times between countries and with them being really tight in my bag and they are like new, nothing have broken or tear, the build quality is superb.
The build quality is shitty. I had DT990 pros for one week and I had to return them. I heard weird sounds in left ear when I was listening something with lowend. Also the "DT990 PRO 250ohm" inscription, he began to rub off on the first day. I bought M50X and I'm finally happy... I have them good 5 months now and they are perfect.
@@asocial2476 it is really is personal experience based. I have beyerdynamic dt 990 250ohm and dt 770 80 ohm. Also have m50x and m40x. I prefer dt 770 overall. dt 990 is good for gaming. Audio technica always had issues for me. I do much prefer my Sennheiser any day of the week.
I have tried the DT 770 Pro in both 80 and 250 Ohm. Recommended them a few times to happy recipients who prefer listening to music like Jazz or Classical Music. Also tried a few Sennheisers, Sonys, Koss, Bose and Bower Wilkins Headphones just to mention a few that are either a popular choice or really good on their own. Notable mention... the Koss Porta Pros always amaze me as a compact on Ear Headphone. But back to those two legendary Headphones ... i just bought my third pair of M50s ... my second one beeing the BT2 Variant ...which truly sounds like it is indeed wired... if you use LDAC 960kbps. Stay away if you intend to use them with an iPhone. They will sound as dull or even worse than a pair of Ear Pods Max. My original pair of M50s was now 14 years old and i have used it at least a few hours every day... at home, on the go ... just always. Why did i replace them for a new pair of M50 (in the M50x Gunmetal variant :))? Because they sound so much more fun... they work for films, also Jazz and Classical Music ... although the sound stage is not nearly as wide as on the DT 770 Pros or the DT990 for that matter and the clarity is also not as defined. But exactly this clarity is for my preferred types of music too much, too airy,... i love that DnB, Techno, Rap and Trap or any type of EDM sounds like you are in the club. Huge Speaker style bass, nothing distorted, nice but tight soundstage that can become quite a bit wider with the proper recording. This btw. also makes them quite useable for fast FPS Shooter Games... positional audio is still decent while explosions sound like real explosions. "Airier" Headphones like your typical Bose or Sony NC Premium headpones, the DT 770 or the good sounding but very fragile Premium Steelseries Headsets do not reproduce mids and especially low frequencies quite as punchy but still not overexposed like the M50 do. Back to my final Audio verdict as i drifted over to why i also like to use them for really everything else. I like my audio clean, neutral and undistorted but still dirty, so when the fat baseline hits, it really hits you. So i have the peace in mind that i do not care if i listen to Simon & Garfunkel, Lil John, A$AP Rocky, The Prodigy, John Spencer Blues Explosion, ELO, Justice, Die Antwoord, Dj Shadow, Slipknot, Trampsta, Massive Attack, Dj Fresh, Autechre, Chicago, Schoolboy Q and whatnot... it all just sounds so right. Not only clean but also fun. Mind you the DT 770s will manage to play quite a few of these Artists just fine too,... but take the song Bassline Junkie from Dizzee Rascal ... the bass will not "be buzzin" on the DT 770 Pros ... so that is definately a song that sounds just weird on the DT-770 Pro. John Spencer also sounds in general nicer on the M50s although the DT770 also do a good job but they do create a different experience for the listener. So if you want a "always on" wide soundstage with pristine separation (perfect to dissect every single instrument track) and brilliant treble ... go get the DT 770 Pro´s ... they do feel more comfortable and a bit more premium. But i just cannot quit the M50s ... they sound so much more fun to me and when i need some bangers instead of the 4th coffee... the DT 770 just do not cut it. Comfort was a problem in the end with my 14 year old ones ... but both new ones feel really nice. At the very first day i should have given the Headband a little strech as the fit will hurt after a few hours if you have a rather big head like me. Now a few days in this does not bother me. Quite curious ... the Earpads from the BT2DS Variant are quite noticeable softer and feel really nice throughout a 10 hours office day (Mic is really really good for Teams and i can dual pair my phone and notebook). Still the M50 Earpads will be comfortable enough, even for longer sessions as long as they are fresh, be sure to replace them as soon as you feel the inner cup putting pressure on your ears. There are also quite a few high quality after market earcups available for the M50s ... but that sounds like a research of its own which i have been too lazy to do yet.
I have the D770 Pro 32 Ohm version, the only flaw is that dumb connector for the left side (that thing will break), the poor portability and the M50X has a detachable cable. For sound quality, i used the M50X for studio purposes, the DT 770 Pro sounds way better, night&day difference by the separation you mentioned. It sounds more accurate or overall flatter, it's extremely noticiable for classical music. The calibration for the left and right drivers are excelent, sounds coming from the center do come from the center, that never happened for me with the Audio Technica. The Audio Technica M50X isn't as flat as the dt 770 pro and it's amazing for electronic music as you mentioned.
When i set up my home studio, i was really choosing just between Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) and Audio-Technica ATH-M50x, and i have finally chosen Audio-Technica ATH-M50x really because of that undetachable cable on Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm).. i set this headphone really just for monitoring purpose and nothing else.. i already have other headphones for audiophile and other purposes.. so i really didn't take that versatility into account at all.. In regards to the sound quality, i really have read tons of articles, and watched tons of videos on RUclips, then i finally had to compare the sound signature of each headphone, and really Audio-Technica ATH-M50x has a very flat sound signature comparing to Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) at high-end, mid, and low-end.. even some RUclipsrs have said that they found the low-end has been boosted in Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro..
I will add my experience, I bought my first pair like 20 years ago from Guitar Center for my electronic drum practices, In 2 decades of use all kind of things happened, dropped endless times, I smashed them with my ass in the throne, stand in the wire and stand up is very common thing for a drummer, I kicked them, even tripped with the wire and they still working up this days. Drumming is very physical, easy to sweat and the headphone pads eventually gets very nasty, the good thing is Beyerdynamics sale the ear pads and the cushioned arc wrap as well, is also some aftermarket cheaper pads but personally I use the brand ones. 80 vs 250 ohm experience, I have both and I feel better bass punch with the 80 ohm, I used the DT770 with my computer, mixer and audio system, im not crazy how sounds like listening music but do the job. Thank you for the video.
I have the DT 770 pro 80 ohm and it's incredible. It's so much comfortable with the stock velour pads, great soundstage especially for a closed back. And the subbass is insane..!!!
@@roufali3178 The subbass reproduction on dt770 80 ohm is by far one of the best for a close back. You can feel and hear the frequencies below 50 hz clearly unlike a lot of bassy headphones. And the bass is clear and punchy as needed. I'm happy with these and I recommend them as well. You can watch metal571's review on these headphones to get a better idea.
I wanna buy a pair but I'm unsure between the 32 and 80 ohms variants. I'll be plugging them into my desktop without any kind of amp. Which should I go for?
Sirsho Banerjee 80 ohm is recommended and you will get very low distortion and tonns of details compared to 32 ohms. Your desktop will be able to drive 80 ohm with decent volume level
Great review ... I have both of these - started with the ATH-M50x and was pretty pleased but I felt the comfort level was a bit fatiguing. I know a bit about inductive reactance and frequency characteristics, so I expect a 120ohm or 300ohm to sound better ... I never hear the Beyerdynamic before but saw some good reviews. I had had Sennheiser before and always loved them - bought some Yamaha and really didn't like them. When I compared the ATH-M50x to the DT-770 Pro (80ohm) I immediately noticed a sonic difference as well as comfort. My wife noticed a difference in a blind test as well. The DT-770 Pro didn't really have more bass, but it sounded ... better than the ATH-M50x. The ATH-M50x did have a little more punch but reminded me of something edging towards Beats or something like that 0 while the DT-770 Pro leaned more towards a higher-end experience. So, I have both, and 95% of my time is spent with the Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro.
HEY BUDDY, I WANTED TO TELL YOU I'M 49 YS OLD, IM IN WHEELCHAIR SINCE '98 I WAS A HIGH-END CAR AUDIO FABRICATION SYSTEM BUILDER W LOTS OF BASS AND IVE BUILT A STUDIO LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IM SHY DONT MAKE VIDEOS BUT PROFESSIONALLY I MUST SAY IVE HAD AT 50X FOR 3.5YRS ROLLED OVER CORDS, DROPPED BANGED UP INLY SEEING DAMAGE IS LITE CRACKS IN EAR PADS ZERO NEW CABLES IVE SINCE GOT A WIRELESD PAIR ALSO 50 BTS THEY BOTH HELD UP SOUND PERFECT AND YES BOUGHT 80 OHM BDS AND I MUST HAVE BOTH I CANT DECIDE WHICH I PREFER UNTIL YOU GO TO. 1990 IF MIXING YES 250ON AMP ARE GREAT MAYBE THE. M60 OR M70 AT MAY PUSH ENVELOPE BUT OUT OF TWO I LIKE BOTH BUT BDS ARE LITE CLEARER MAYBEM600R 70. AT PRICE EVEN NOT OF CONCERN MAY BE THE ROUTE BUT I WILL CHECK THEM OUT NOW THANKS TO YOUR EXPERIENCES AND SHARING BECAUSE I AM A HUGE SEVERAL HOURS A DAY USER TO LISTENING. SO THANKS FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE STEVE
The Beyerdynamic Custom Studio is based on the DT-770 Pro, 80 ohms, with a detachable cable and an adjustable bass reflex system with four different settings that makes it extremely flexible. I'd recommend getting it over the other two.
@@LousyFacelift I ordered dt770 80ohm. but will use with no amp. also, now I am checking dt250 ohm...I want best detailed sound under 200...and 770 seem to be staples
@@LousyFacelift yo I just received anker q30 and I am thinking of cancelling dt770. I think these q30 have some internal amp driving their sound since they are wireless with wired option. the bass is punchy tight and overally hi fi sound for 70 bucks...haha I dont know, check them out. my few days old superluxes 681 evo sound dull in comparison and they supposedly equal headphones 5x more expensive, but they can't match sound of q30. I am new to this and ordered these 3 headphones basically this week, but thnking to cancel 770 since I read they don't reproduce vocals right which is what I miss in superluxes too....
Just bought the dt770 pro (80 ohms) with an ifi hip dac for pure listening. Sounds amazing:) The sound is so rich and the bass doesn't overtake it! The best headphones I ever had for sure:)
@@Banktiktok1 nice:) just so you know ,the highs can be little sharp and give some s/c sounds if you know what I mean with bright voices. It's very easy to fix thought just turn down the highs a little bit with an eq. Btw: the 250 ohm version have even sharper highs, so I can recommend the 80 ohms over the 250 ohm, if you are sensitive to sharp s/c sounds. It can be a bit harder to fix on the 250 ohm.
@@radhamadhav8063 They're one of the most comfortable headphones I've worn. I don't use them for gaming, but after using them for an extended period, they don't bother me. You should look at the 990s too. They are open back, so theres a better airflow, and you might not feel as 'trapped' as you do with closed back.
I loved open back when i tried them on my cousin's hd6xx , but I'm very unlucky , i live in a super noisy environment and its a small house with a single room , so using an open back would actually be very disturbing , also since I'm a sucker for high volumes. So i just made myself go with closed back headphones. I will be gaming a lot , so I've decided to go with the coolermaster mh752. But I'll buy a very good open back one day , the CM is actually really affordable and quite cheap , so it just helps me save money for that future open back headset
Few thoughts if I may. Build: DT pleather is actually better by far. M50 will flake within a couple years. Cable the opposite. Despite feeling more robust the DT will go open long before the lighter M50 cables guaranteed. Isolation: I'm confused by your background fan noise explanation. Monitoring headphones are _supposed_ to reduce sound leakege to and from your surroundings. Eg when recording vocals the studio mic should not be picking up music track leaking from the vocalists headphones. You hearing sounds outside is a bad thing in a studio monitor. Last, you describe listening to multiple audio sources from music, games etc and finding the DT more engaging. Isn't that an argument to use them more as entertainment? Id be interested what you think of them after a couple years with both.
ATH-M50x are more comfortable, however the sound for me was super high pitched and actually hurt my ears to listen to. The DT770s have far fuller, well-rounded/balanced sound and are very comfortable too. I went with the DT770s in the end because of the sound... I just couldn't deal with the high pitched frequencies of the ATH-M50x. I also have a friend who has had DT770s for many years and they're still going strong - very good build quality, long lasting.
@@WeedSmoker69 No I don't, thanks. I heard the Crossfade M-100 Master is better both with or without a DAC/AMP, so I might go for those. Which do you think is better based on sound quality?
@@tayyabiqbal2143 i'm not sure based on sound quality but i've heard the M100 is a solid choice overall. the M100 is a 32 ohm impedance, so i would think the 80 ohm beyerdynamics would sound better if you had a DAC/AMP though. also, i think the beyerdynamics are more comfortable in their stock ear pads, and they're cheaper too. my vote is beyer edit: also, you could use the extra money for a DAC/AMP
Thanks for specifying the 80 ohm model. so many reviewers dont mention what model they have and that clearly indicates they dont know what they are talking about.
@@freshkleensucks M50x feels so fucking good in the hand. I've returned mine because they were uncomfortable as fuck, but they feel solid, even though they're plastic, they're fucking rock solid. I have DT 770 80Ohm on the way rn, I'm not planning to return them, but will see how it'll go :>
freshkleensucks yeah, he said some really dumb and sometimes just incorrect stuff. The build quality thing, and then the comfort. Anyone that even hesitates for an instant to say the 770’s are more comfortable than the m50’s is a moron. M50’s are horribly uncomfortable while the 770’s are some of my most comfortable cans. Also he said “preamp” when he meant “amp” so many fucking times throughout the video, that was pissing me off lol
Tried both for a month. Kept the 770s. Way better comfort, wider soundstage, smoother highs, decent subbass and monitoring my guitar sounds more natural. But a friend uses the m50xs to mix basslines in techno music. They aren't bad, but I prefer the 770s in nearly every aspect
I have been using dt770pro 80ohm for two years now, replacing several "gaming headsets" that always broke after some 6 to 12 months of use. Mostly PC use (gaming and youtube), and music mostly from my S9+ phone using "poweramp" app. I now understand why reviewers say it is the best between 100 to 200usd. dt770pro is bass heavy, recessed mid and also a little heavy on treble, sort of V shape (at least for my old ears). It handles bass (and it has sub bass) very well and I would recommend it to all bass heads. Excellent for games and for music. I also EQ with more bass and treble, but that is me. AFAIK the DT770 model was launched in 1985 and 34 years later they are still being built and sold - this HAS to mean something.
No other words can contain more truth than these ones. Received them today. Tested immediately on the weaker of my devices (Panasonic Scpmx80 micro hi fi). Of course volume has to be raised close to maximum (35-37/50) but despite of the fact they are not enabled delivering their best, the quality is here, exactly as you said: as I am basshead but not a bassfanatic, I appreciate how they are managed. Recessed mids. Trebles sometimes too heavy. They should run better on cayin n3 and on my high end motherboard.
Not the 770, but I upgraded from the m50x to the DT 990 Pro. What an upgrade! I was wowed at how wide and spacious the 990s were by comparison. Now going back to the m50x sounds cramped and claustrophobic, much worse in my opinion. Definitely looking to get the 770 next for some closed back headphones.
It's my understanding the m50x was not designed for studio use. It's the fun v shaped version of that line. The m40x is what you want. They are the neutral headphone in that line that would serve you better. Also take a look at sony 7506, Sennheiser hd280 and hd 380 pro
Well, the “M” does stand for “monitor” which technically categorizes them for studio usage My opinion is the m50x do so extremely well due to MKBHD’s high praise of them, but I personally really don’t find them at all good I terms of sound
@@AdamDuffArt you watched an older video of his, when he was new to the scene, he later mentioned that the M50x have been spiced up for the casual bass head listener, for any critical listening any audiophile will recommend the M40X as the top comment told you in the first place
Most helpful review I've seen on the two headphones. I'm currently torn as well, but you broke it down so thoroughly and well, I feel like I have a much better idea of the pros and cons of each. Thank you!
I have all three flavours of the Dt770s 32 ohm for field recording, 80 ohm and 250 for studio. I absolutely love them and barely feel that they're on. Cable management is the only issue though it's easier with the coiled cable on the 250ohm version.
Personally I like the sound of the m50x better Im a producer and I find my mixes transfer better from the m50x. However I am very used to how they sound so take that as you will
I think it's quite a bit subjective between Audio Technica and Beyerdynamic series. Personally, Beyerdynamic series does slightly make audio feel more alive and pleasurable.
Ok, my first pair was ATH-2 in 1984, they blew me away, since then I've used loads incl very expensive brands like Ultrasone, Fostex etc.., but mainly for mixing producing. You don't need to spend thousands as the law of diminishing returns doesn't enhance your mixdown. On balance, my favourite is MDR-V6, the only downside are the cheap pleather flakey pads but you can change those. The DT-150 is definitely better than the DT-770 Pro, if you're a bass player the AKG-K52 is unbeatable period. But for all round use as you say the M50x are the best. If you're in to supra-aural, the HD25-1ii which has a signature based on the V6 is on par with the M50x.
Because of distorting base I returned two pairs of DT770 80 ohm variants and one 32 ohm variants. Sound was very, very good but when bass kicked in that distortion make them unusable.
The M50x are wonderful, except the crappy material on the ear pads. The pleather cracks and sloughs off rather quickly. It is a known issue, yet the manufacturer has never endeavored to fix it. That is maddening. The DT770s lack of removable/interchangeable cables is equally maddening. That said, the DT770s have a remarkable sound signature with a great soundstage for closed back headphones. After some burn-in, they are smooth and satisfying. They are my pick and I really love them.
You can, with little soldering, make a removable camble mod for the DT 770s. Or pay someone to do it. This website sells the cable mod but if you scroll down you can also see a video on how to do it yourself jfunk.org/wpc/product/beyerdynamic-detachable-cable-mod/ . This applies to the beyerdynamic 880s and 990s as well.
Thanks for your review! Was searching exactly for a comparison with these two headphones. I have the DT990 250 ohms and wanted a closed back "Allrounder". This video was helping to find my decision! Thank you and keep it up! Greetings from Germany
Thanks for your review Adam. Finally... someone has convinced me into purchasing the DT770's. It was well explained with utmost intricacy and finesse. Cheers.
@@ChrisBessy 80ohm. I just received them last week. I'm an audiophile, so for personal use only at home. I really love the flat response these have and impressive stereo imagery for closed back headphones. Very comfy too!
@Roinatan These are my personal choice from what I have researched at around this price and although I do recommend them, everyone has different ears and tastes that suit their personal requirements. I've spent many patient hours researching and listening to a myriad of closed back over ear headphones. I seriously do recommend you take a listen before you decide on purchasing.
@Roinatan That's ok, I'm happy to help. One small tip of advice is listen to a familiar piece of music that has all the characteristics your after. Use this as your reference when listening to various headphones so you get a feel for the sound that suits you best. Good luck! 😉👍
I would stay with the DT770, although I have the 240 Ohm version. I tried the 80 Ohm, but it sounds dry and not responding well in the spectrum ends. Now, there's an engineering catch: the 770s compared to the M50s, have a very linear mechanical behavior. This means equal sensitivity to low and high levels, something which gives that detail and background perception. Problem is that this linearity stays true ONLY if diaphragm does not exceed a certain length of movement, where beyond that limit a mechanical clip will occur (diaphragm cannot stay linear while going more in or more out), and that's the reason for distortion on loud bass. On the other hand, M50s respond less to lower power levels degrading further the volume, an all spectrum non-linear behavior, which will drive you to a wrong decision concerning noise or low volume passes. Critical NOT to change volume during your work. Major difference, they will allow a longer diaphragm movement to preserve bass without distortion. And better suspension to handle the booms. As I said in the beginning, I rather stick with my 770s. Notes: 1. For the same volume perception in highs and lows, diaphragm travels longer with bass tones. 2. More coil turns, thus more impedance, means more sensitivity and linearity in low passages and low volume.
Your main complaint about the DT770 was the non-detachable cable. It's actually a common mod to make it re-moveable. Then you can make (or have made) your own custom cable. And I decided to go with the 250 ohm version for pure sound. If I want more bass, I'll just use the EQ on my LG V60. The 770's should be able to handle it no problem.
@@axchisler not really. Higher impedance won't handle bass better, but gives it a wider power range to reproduce audio frequencies more accurately. If you want more bass, you have to look at the sound signatures from different manufacturers and then test to suit your taste.
I had the Shure SRH 440 with a (DETACHABLE CABLE) it broke after 2 years.... For the last 5 years I've been using the DT 770 PRO 250 OHM I can say one thing WOW. SUPER DURABLE, AMAZING QUALITY, GREAT SOUND 100/100
I’ve heard both, beyerdynamics are definitely more detailed with awesome sound stage they sound amazing, and M50 are more for general use not as detailed but with a bit more bass as he explained, I hook them up to my e drums and unfortunately had to return the dts due to distortion on my bass drum
So the Beyerdynamic dt770 couldn't handle the kick drum of a e-drum? I'm looking for a good headset to buy with a Roland TD17 kit, so this would be helpfull information.
arvidb30 yeah mann they would distort with the bass drum I’d say get some different ones and make sure the ohms aren’t so high if you want good volume out of them
I'm still struggling to choose one of these for listening more music but this seems like a detailed explanation. I've heard the ATH M40x or M50x aren't comfortable cause of the hard earpads. I'm planning to use it for music listening which has good vocals and immersive but also have good amount of bass that doesn't ruin the music/song. The ATH M50X seems like a good choice for bass and easier to bring around with you with better design while the DT 770 pro seems like a good immersive headphones but not the best for bass. This is a very hard decisions as I like to listen to music with clear vocals and good bass and I need comfortability the most since I wear them for 5-6 hours usually
It's too bad nobody ever talks about the size of the ear cups in reviews. It's one of the main things apart from sound that make or break headphones for me. Almost every 'advertised as over-ear' headphones are too small for my ears and sit either ON the ear or on th edges of my ears and it really hurts after a few hours, especially since over-ear often is designed with higher clamping force. The Beyerdynamics are said to have really big ear cups and I can believe they would fit my ears, I'm less certain about the Audio-Technicas. I think I do prefer the latter mostly for the detachable cable. All my previous headphones with built-in cables stopped working after a while and I don't have to know-how to fix them.
same here I just tried about 10 different headphones and am now settling for the dt770 pro because they are the ONLY comfortable headphones I found. All others were too small for my ears
I have the Dt 770's and they are like pillows on your ears. Not only do they go over your ear, but they are deep far as width goes. I have the Eris 5, but I do most of my mixing on the dt 770. I also think it sounds good for just general use, but I really only use them for studio use. The only con I can say about the dt 770 is the cable is not detachable.
Allow me to ring in on the size: I absolutely understand the size issue. I was looking to replace my M50X's and decided to try out the AKG K240 MKII's. Less than a day after purchase I returned them because they were just too small for my ears and it was causing me discomfort. I've been using the M50X's for coming up on 3 years now with the Wicked Cushion's replacement pads (the thick fabric ones) and have never once experienced discomfort even though I wear them for most of the day whilst gaming. While I was in the store returning the AKG's I decided to try on the Beyerdynamic 770's and hoooooboy are those pads roomy. My ears had space for days with how wide they sit. I'll likely be picking up a pair the 770's when I can afford it.
@@marcinbak7043 There is a major parts shortage at present, the sites that I found at least in the US say "out of stock, long or unknown lead times" That applies to even the entire headphone assembly being bought new right now for drivers with 250 ohm or 600 ohm. Beyerdynamic germany does seem to have them unless it's lying to me about the stock available, lots of companies do that. Don't bother repairing or upgrading them yourself unless your warranty expired. The DT990 driver is the same part as in the DT770, they simply used a different shell. Fullcompass.com, united sound solutions, showcomms.com (UK) are authorized providers of repair parts for BD headphones.
@@Enonymouse_ Thanx for reply. I sat on my Beyerdynamic headphones and I broken those plastics on the ends of headband 😬 I can glue it but I would prefer exchange them. Thanx , I will check out your tips. Regards.
I've had a set of ATH-M50x headphones since 2014. I regret ever buying them. They're not neutral, and the volume you use them at really changes the frequency response. At low volumes, they're all mids, and at everything above relaxed-listening levels, they're absolutely ear-shattering with the amount of terrible treble it creates. The true fight is between the DT770 Pro and the ATH-M40x. Yes, not kidding, a set of M40x headphones possibly with some nicer pads is better than the more expensive 50's.
Question my guy Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro or ATH-M50x and if so by how much is it better. I’m trying to decide on a new headphones here and trying to figure if this will the weird sound issue I been having
@@GalenVaughn Well, the 1990s are way more expensive, and very different in multiple ways. The huge and open cans will give a much larger more natural sounds-stage, nowhere near the tight small sounds-stage of the M50x. This reduces muddy bass a whole lot, and gives a better experience if you're going to be gaming in them or listening to ASMR. However, this also means that sound will bleed into and out of them more, but as long as the place you live in isn't too noisy, it'll probably be fine. But of course, it just comes down to what you're ok with spending, because the 1990s are by far the better headphone.
San Jacobs Interesting. I have another question so I have this issue goin on in the audio, basically when you’re watching something you get these random clipping like let’s say it could happen 3-4 times in a 20min vid, it doesn’t happen all the time or with all the files that I play however i am using a Blu-ray version so I would think the file should be at its best. I have tried different PCs and headphones and problem still persists. Do you think a headphone that expensive could fix this issue? And I do have an amp
@@GalenVaughn No problem, man! Clicks and pops could be caused by many things. Do you have a dedicated DAC? Are you using a Mac? Do you have music-software open in the background? Does it only happen with certain files? Have you tried using Media Player Classic?
Wow! Just picked up the DT770 and decided to listen to your video after the fact! I see what you mean by all the Ssses, but you sound amazing! It straight up sounds like I am just monitoring your mic. Your voice is really clear!
DT770 pro have been my favourite cans since 2004 and I was always blown away by the accuracy, high end detail, imaging and impressive bass handling which really made doing headphone mix downs a much more enjoyable and easier process. I have had all versions from 32-80-250 ohms, and also used the 990 open back versions which were definitely a little clearer/more detailed than the 770s but I still prefer the 770s. The recurring problem I had is that so many pairs of them blew in one or both sides, some within a short time some gradually but a disappointing number of failed pairs were the only thing that caused me to try other alternatives. Sennheiser had some great ones called something like the DJ6 and mix6 or something along those lines - they were only for a short while around 2015 but I was very impressed with those, from the sound, build quality & comfort they ticked all boxes and I think may have been 32ohm with very nice clarity & deep bass. Also less fatiguing than beyers can often be over long periods (less so with the moleskin cup pads and also open back models which breathe better and have slightly less squeeze pressure around the ear. I seem to remember the plastic grille pressing on my ear cartilage on some pairs which was really painful. I also had some Ultrasones but found they only had the sheen and no real knock/substance and the imaging was far less stable. Mixing music was very hard with those. 770s are a great standard, the clarity is immediately apparent & they are probably akin to monitors like the Genelcs which I have and find quite easy to reconcile them when A/B’d. I will always recommend 770s as my personal favourite with the added warning about the potential to blow/fail. Also, I tried the modded ones by Customcans and they were crap, added nothing to a fresh pair of 770s and the mod seemed to lose all of the mid range solidity / knock / depth. Image was off kilter and hard to place anything - I would warn against buying customcans, seems to be more expensive “audiophile” BS hype. I haven’t personally found ANY true competition for 770s under £500, which gets into territory for headphones requiring high quality preamps etc - another subjective rabbit hole. 770s avoid all that and give a very fine reference point for high quality headphones at a brilliant price. Dr Dre is probably hanging his head in shame
I used the DT-770s for a few weeks before trying out the DT-880s which are rated higher than the 770s. DONT make this mistake- the DT880s are SUPER neutral so yes if ALL you're looking for is mixing earphones then I guess they'd be good but they're SO lacking in bass that I don't think they'd work for even that in my opinion. The DT-770s "pull you in" as you say, Adam, because they've got what you call a wide soundstage. And lord knows why, because they're closed back but they're absolutely incredible. Love them. (250 ohm)
I can go out and use my m50x walking in town, which i can't with a dt770 The cable also replacable BUT, if you wanna use it in a room (studio, for videogames) for a long time, then I'd take the dt770 cause they're more comfy and reparable
I bought the 770 Pro's because they have one of the best (biggest) sound stage for closed-back headphones, so it makes it one of the best headphones for gaming. All of the Audio Technica ATH-__x models have a tiny sound stage, which makes it less than ideal for casual usage, but it makes it great for straight monitoring and one ear solo monitoring while working with audio professionally.
Hey Adam! Love all your stuff. By far my favorite headphones and I've burned alot of coin on different cans. Massdrop Sennheiser HD 6XX. FAR AND AWAY the best headphones I've ever had in my life. Fantastic sound and the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. I use these 8-12 hours a day. Keep it up!
The HD 6XX makes everything sound DELICIOUS. Smooth as butter and oh so comfortable. But I must say I also LOVE my AKG K702 for their spaciousness and detail retrieval. If you're looking for a different flavor to complement your HD 6XX, I highly recommend them.
I ended up buying both, figuring I would decide later and sell one pair on. Well, I ended up keeping both: ATs for work and travel and DTs at home. The ATs are terrific, very comfortable but a bit hyped. The DTs are flatter and more articulate and but you will struggle to drive them from a phone. There is no "best" in this case. But one point about listening vs monitoring: do not spoil your ears too much. Get used to a fairly clean, fairly flat replay system. Otherwise your ears will be off balance when you come to monitor.
Mike Page I can completely see what you mean I have grown to love more detailed less V shaped sounds - which is why I decided to stick with MSR7B’s as my new daily driver (msr7’s are just as good) I tried out the DT1770’s last week and hated them - especially for the price Way too heavy on the lows and recessed mids
I was on the exact same fence just a couple months ago. Also had both of them for a little while to play around and the Beyerdynamics really stuck with me. While the extra wires and more space while around the neck was a noticable plus for the Audio Technicas, the immersion I felt with the Beyers just couldn't be beat. Completely understand the point about the sort of "draw" that the Beyers create. Long story short stuck with the Beyers and haven't regretted the choice yet. Hope this helps out anyone with their choice, have a great day! P.s. The Beyers did break in very well. Great comfort in my experience.
If you're thinking about getting the ATH-M50x... get the M40x instead. Or if you want a step up, get the new Sennheiser HD560s. The 560s has exceptionally flat frequency response, and great for monitoring, editing, music mixing, etc.
@@reinrbert1804 the M50X have a metallic timbre (they sound tinny), they are sibilant in the high frequencies (cymbals hiss at you rather than sound real), and the bass is not very well defined. Please look up reviews for the Sennheiser 560S! The M50X are over hyped. I own a pair of M50X, and have other headphones that cost slightly more but sound much better.
I have dt 770 pro and 880 pro... absolutely love them! Most comfortable headphones I've ever used. I dont record, I just like good sound and comfortable headphones. I have the 770 with the short cord to take on flights. I agree... they are not designed to go around your neck, but they are great on a long flight :)
I really have to take a week at least to break these in (if I still can't decide on the sound quality) - they really started causing a headache after longer usage
Wait up, a short chord? I didn't know they had that option! (fyi, I returned the M50x's - going to be comparing them to the Sennheiser HD650's tomorrow) - I had a chance to try the 880's and 990's today - and honestly, I feel that the 770's had the best detail and purity of sound.
@@theforgedone I love my dt770 250ohm but thus I have the long cable not flat pffff .... lol how can I change this ? I see very nice rework of dt770 on internet ......
I have both. Beyerdynamic DT770 pro is way better in my opinion. The buildquality is far better and they deliver way more comfort. My ATH-M50x havent hold up nearly as good. The headband and ear pads are pure garbage. And the headband is not replaceable. I changed the ear pads to a pair from Shure. Can really recommend that for anyone that owns ATH-M50x. And as a bonus. The DT770 sound better aswell.
I'm looking for some good headphones with a bit more reverberation actually... so that I can "feel" the explosions again. Using the MMX300s (which is basically a DT770 with a mic) now, which are fine, super pure very clear sound. However, my old Syberia650s with 50MM drivers are about as clear, and give a ton more reverb and experience when playing games.
@@shawnkooyman4612 I wanted to get DT770 pro 250 ohms because it has coil cable which looks robust but I am worried that if my PC can power it without an amp......
@@hounddog00 no you probably need an amp to get the best sound out of them ,the ifi Zen DAC is a good amp I have one it would power them and I think it was under $150
@@hounddog00 @hounddog00 if you need an open back then 990. You'll definitely need an amp to get the best out of 990. Also 990 can have some sharp treble so if you're treble sensitive then go with 770. If you need a closed back and want good bass then go with 770 80 ohm. In the end it all comes down to your use case. (if you buy 250 ohm ones, you'll need an amp otherwise you might not like the sound as it will sound very close to your ear and congested, and the sound will lack clarity and soundstage. You can check your motherboard manual to see if it's capable but often that doesn't lead to anything helpful. And any current budget amp will be able to drive 250ohm just fine.)
The Beyer cable issue is easy to resolve. Simply cut the cable at approx 2 inches from the headphone. Reinforce this cable stub with shrinkwrap, etc. Attach the connector of choice. Now you have a detachable headphone that is actually superior to one with an embedded jack, because it will flex in all directions and detach, saving the headphone jack from damage. If the audio technica jack breaks, you are out of headphones for even longer.
Ummmmmmm..... You're going to solder a jack onto that two inch long wire.... Been doing electronics for 55 years now and I can tell you that it will fail in no time. It's a critical area with head-turning and moving about.... It's a high stress area. And shrink wrap is going to provide diddly-squat... That jack will fail very, very soon - that is a certainty, my friend. Common sense will tell you that. The mere location of it will tell you that too. It's the worst possible place to splice a jack in order to "plug and unplug" replacement cables. Too much body and head movements to fatigue that splice connection. It just ain't gonna work in that location with your method and adding shrink wrap for strength is useless. The best connection in that particular location is exactly what the ATH-M50X has, which is a And by the way, the purpose of shrink wrap is for isolation - not for trying to "strengthen" a connector. Now on the other hand, the removable connector such as the one on the
Do like me, get both lol. I see your Shure SM7B and MixPre 3 so they should be easy for you to buy lol. I like the DT 770 for my monitoring and VO recording sessions, I like the M50X for when I am playing Bass or listening on devices outside of studio.
i used the AT m50x for about a year and some change, they're great if you like a very warm (almost muddy) low-mid response. they have a nice amount of lows and a slightly sharp high-end response. perfect for trap and hip hop.
A amp can make the m50x sound amazing, am sure the other one also. I still enjoy my m50x because their durability my m50x lasted me 8 years and still works perfectly lol
I bought a pair of 770’s for studio recording and practice. I need the detail for development of my five string bass tone with effects. The 10 foot cable is essential when I’m standing playing and recording. It is my understanding that these headphones are designed and used primarily for professional musicians recording in studios. They do all I need.
make sure not to mix and master on them cause they have 6db boost on the low end and that sucks...(for mixing) Everybody was telling how good they are for mixing and stuff that i bought them. I’m so disappointed... i’m gonna sell them and get a pair of AT-M40x
So as someone who's looking more or less to just listen to music I guess I want the ATH-M50x headphones. Like, I may go into making music and such at some point, but for now just listening to music.
well, seems like some bias. And, if his audio clarity is like his blurry vid, than who knows what sounds better. I just tested the 770 Pro 80 Ohm for a week, along with the 990 Pro 250 Ohm, bot amped. The 990 Pro sounds like more clarity, sound stage is wider, open, and bass is a little better in the 770, but only because they are closed. IDK about the M50X, but am trying to figure it out. M50X sounds like a BMW. The 990 Pro are so comfortable and good sounding that I literally could wear for 5+ hours and didn't want to take them off. To test, I let my daughter do some listening: the 990 Pro, she didn't want to take them off, and I was playing techno for her, when she is primarily into alternative. I too had to keep the volume down to prevent distortion, and both the 770 and 990 would not get loud enough without distorting, in comparison to my MDR-7506, which just go so much louder without distorting and have more bass. But, the bass on the Beyerdynamics when cranked without distortion just sounded very nice.
I'm on my 2nd pair of 50s. I've used them for years at work to listen to music, podcasts, so on--love them!.... However, I just bought a DAC and I'm considering the 770s to change it up a bit. This video has been very informative and I think I'm gonna give the 770s a shot!
@@RumpelStiltskindarkone But duuuude! Audiophiles don't know anything! Markass Brownie and Lienus Sex Tips said the M50x's are absolutely perfect in every single way!!!! If a pair of headphones aren't M50x's they're trash-uuhhhh! Shut up!!!!!
i've got the dt770 80ohm (too much bass for work in studio), i've got the dt770 250ohm and really love it ... and now i've got the m40x. Lot's of forum say's that the m40x is better for mastering than m50x because more flat response. Yes, with new pads, I was surprise, they sounds very good and we hear everything. But then, I heard my mix in my car and it was very bad. When I work with my dt770 250ohm, ok I must check with my speakers, but it's better than the m40x .... I've tried the dt880 250ohm and 600ohm, but my mix was not very good with them. My favorite stay the dt770 250ohm today !
My dt770 80 ohms broke a few days ago. I'm thinking about getting the 250 ohm this time. Any big difference in sound? Do you find the coiled cable less comfortable?
@@JJ-rp5ck yes I have the 80ohm and the 250ohm and now I only use the 250ohm in my home studio. less bass but good bass, beautiful mids, and beautiful trebles. I prefer the flat cable ...... but I prefer the 250ohm ^^
@@coolguythematrix5 i'm right with you. But it's not the first time that I have a track that sounds very well in my monitors and when I check with headphone's, I hear something is not ok when I compare with a reference track. Headphones would be just a check. You are right, the best is do all the track with the monitors. For example, I hear well the stereo with my monitors but for compare the level of the stereo with a reference track, I hear better with headphones.
Kudos to you Adam, great video! Which one would you get for voice over? Both of these are "over" the ear and not "on" the ear, right? Also would a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd or 3rd Gen), interface be enough juice to power up the 80 ohm's? Thanks a lot in advance for your reply details, Adam!
I'm late to this party, but I have both. The 770s handle bass incredibly well, but just like any speaker or headphone, you can overload them from the source and they will clip. So if you're using a DAC/amp or audio interface, just turn down the volume of the audio source a little bit (RUclips, Spotify, Logic Pro, etc) and turn up the volume of the headphone control on the DAC/amp or interface. They sound infinitely better than the M50x in my personal opinion!
Really great video man. I am a bass player and I've being tracking a lot from home during this lockdown. My Beats are getting old, and not a huge fan of them. Ofc, I like a great response to low end, but then I always end up doing " a little mix" either for social media contents... or just even sending bass tracks remotely to musicians / producers elsewhere in the World. The majority of people actually suggested me to go for the Beyer Dynamic DT 990, but for mastering/mixing purposes only. Obviously I'd like to avoid the open back due to spilling... in case I'm buying a mic for some bass tutorial where I am supposed to talk, or if I ever dare to release a piano and vox cover. I was exactly on the same fence you were talking about between Audio Technica and Beyer Dynamics DT 770. Despite the fact that I like comfortable headphones ( so the Audio Technica seem to win on that side), from your video it appears that the DT 770 are like a pair of monitors just at the side of your ears, more truthful and with a flat response... which in that case could probably help me whenever I am eqing sounds. I just wonder if the DD 770 respond well to track bass guitar, but indeed I am not pumping sub freq into them. Just asking as you mentioned they tend to have a slight distortion on the lows compared to the Audio Technica! Thanks
A friend that works in music studios described them as Beyer are more for the mix/monitor true linear, while ath m50x have more punch And he would use beyer in studio, but for vocalists or for my classical guitar would give the ath, cause that punch somehow is preferred by that vocalist recordin oneself
@@sonnyethan9588 did you heared what a man in video said? If you dont have source for 250ohm you should get lower... you cant recommended to everyone 250ohm
I used my M50x's for 6 years now, plastic on the left side broke. enjoyed them alot and still recommend them alot, but i guess ima try the 770 pro's now
my Audio Technica ATH-M50x broke after a few months so I'm hoping the DT770Pros will be better. By the way, the DT770 can be completely repaired by the user.
The DT770 repair kits (slider kits) cost $40 after shipping. The plastic clips break after a year or less depending on your usage and care. I have had my 80hm Dt770s for 4 years and the sliders have broken twice, im done man its super annoying. I will admit they are the best damn headphones I have EVER heard. the bass is so lovely, just get an amp like an E10k or 2i2 interface. However I will admit the bass is heavy and mixing can be off.
For u to kind of leave a scratch on the dt770 you need at least exploding a nuke right next to them, and even after the explosion the dt770 will be fine
Currently listening to this with the 770 pro (250), around 8 years of usage so far, just yesterday my youngest daughter used it as a hammer :), now the right channel is not working. :(
I own both.. ATH-M50X better if you need to travel with your headphones (fold, smaller, lighter , removable cable and easier to drive) .. DT770 Pro 80's better to use at home .. need an amp, bigger, bulky, long fixed cable. But the DT770 Sounds better, both have a similar sound sig (when properly amped) ATH-M50 headbands degrade over time and then you are kinda hosed.. you can buy a cheap cover i guess.. but sending back to AT for service wouldn't make a ton of sense because it would cost enough you might as well buy new ones and take awhile. Build quality of the DT770's is basically bomb proof .. yeah some of the plastics feel ~cheap.. but the plastics are robust.. my DT770's are 6~yrs old other than a bit of fading on the white lettering mine are still in very good shape... if they did break you can buy spare parts from beyer and fix them pretty easily (if the cable gets damaged... that is a bit tricky ..but the cable is very robust mine is still fine 6~yrs on.. if you have solder skills you can swap a cable out (you can buy cable from beyer). The M50X's aren't immune to cable issues (connector or wire from left to right earcup) ... if a wire / connector goes you pretty much have send them back to AT.. or tear the headband apart / buy after market headband. The DT770 really wins because it sounds better and because it is much more comfortable
I disagree...I've owned both. The m50x are super sibilant in the treble and bloated on the bass...you need a EQ on your source to tame it. With the Beyers, especially the 250 ohm ones, are excellent inside and outside the house, and need no EQ to tame them. Change the pads to some brainwavz kind, and its blissssss
A great and detailed review. I actually just bought some DT770 Pros, and I do quite like them, but I find myself slightly disappointed with them when compared to my Sennheiser HD25s that I've been using most days for about 11 years. The HD25s have a much clearer and more true sound, and they isolate better. I think the 770s will have to be reserved for less frequent use at home, while the HD25s will continue to be my daily drivers. I know this video is pretty old now, but if you are still looking for alternatives, I'd say the HD25s are a very good choice, and I'm surprised no one else mentioned them. :)
That's amazing. I have experienced the complete opposite. I just switched from Dt770s to HD25s and I feel that they don't have as much detail nor do they have as good soundstage. Nor do I believe they isolate better. I guess it's just a matter of preference.
Probably because you got used to how the HD25s sounds after 11 years. try spending more time with the 770s and get used to it's sound signature. Switching headphones can sound tricky at first!
@@Wilantonjakov Nah mate when you've been using a certain pair of headphones for a long period of time and switch up to a new pair of headphones it will always sound like your last pair sounds better because you got used to how it sounds!
Interesting read... I've had my hd25's for about 20 years now... Done a damping mod and pre weighted the drivers... Swapped the steel cable for copper.. Changed the pads to larger yaxi pads... Anyway I've been looking at the dt 770's (80) for a long time... I done a side by side comparison a few months back in a shop... I thought my hd25's sounded better... Not sure if that's because like the above have said I'm use to them... Also unsure how long the dt770 had been burned in for, but they were display demo units so guessing they have defo had a few hours worth.. Another factor was I was in a loud environment and not sat at home (thought my hd25's also isolated better)... But here I am still looking at reviews on the highly recommend dt770's and still on the fence about if they're worth getting or not... Think I'm going to need to go try them out again. I want something for strictly home use games/films/music.. my hd25's will always be my go to for portable use.... For the comparison I was using my LG V40 phone which has a quad DAC powerful enough to drive the 250 version with my own music so a fair test ... Like I said I felt my modded hd25's sounded better... More bass, clearer mids and treble. Didn't feel the soundstage was really any wider on the dt770's but that maybe because I'm using deeper pads on my hd25's... I want to hear the dt770s in a quiet place with no background noise to really test them next time
@XOX the 990s were valor which I realise won't isolate as well as leather... Leather will also give more bass.. Also the valors could have been quite worn which would also change the sound characteristics.. My pads on my hd25 are yaxi leather.. They're almost over ear in size an quite a lot bigger than the originals. Hd25's are designed to keep sound out without the extra sound deadening I've done to the back of the cups. I was in a loud shop and tested them against my hd25's and if any different it wasnt a night and day difference in terms of isolation. In fact isolation wasn't the issue I had regardless. I just didn't think they sounded any better or even as good. I'm still looking at them or the 990's though as they both get good reviews and will be for home use.
Great video. Tons of detail. I searched your channel, I really was hoping to see you have a review of the M40X, as I think for monitoring that may be an even better comparison to the DDT
A few months ago i bought the 770 pro 80ohm and im loving them. Using them for everything - music, movies, all kind of games. Had to buy an AMP tho, you can use them without an amp, directly connected to your PC but the volume is kinda low. With the amp its amazing. Super comfy and the sound stage is great in games.
Nice video. I wish had seen these before purchasing the m50x, the highs are kinda sharp to my ears. But it could be probably cause of my source - Pixel / Fiio X3 1st Gen / Asus S406UA. Also comparing 38ohm m50x with 80ohm dt770 isn't the right one. A better comparison would've been 32ohm dt770 vs m50x :)
I have the DT770s and just got the M50X. The Audio Technicas are a lot more immersive. The 770s are probably more comfortable over time. I think you have to really pump some power into the 770s to be interesting. They are underwhelming at low volume. And I have 80 ohm versions. They are flat but boring.
@@Markisbeatz355 It really depends on your budget. RTINGS lists some HifiMan with 8.7 neutral which is a really high score but I am not about to shell out $500-1200 on headphones and hope I like them. For years I used the humble Sony MDR 7506 and they worked fine with only a 7.9 neutrality score. The Shure SRH 440 only score 7.5 but when I do a side by side with M50X, 770, 280 Pro they sound just fine. Flatter than the Sennheiser 280 Pro in my opinion who they gave 7.7. On the other hand the Superlux 681 have an 8.3 rating at $50, which is what I am using on my computer now. I have a few more coming and will have to decide which ones will be the most used for mixing and recording. As for open back leakage, I don't think studio mikes will pick up enough to be relevant in home recording unless you are in a studio using Neumann U87. I think flatness is numero uno in mixing. You have to know what you are really hearing so you don't overcompensate. I'm still waiting for the Philips and Samson on my list to arrive. I just know they scored very well in neutrality. Hey, so did my Sennheiser 599 and they sounded like mud. Smooth, even comfortable mud. Just one big midrange. The DT770s are also kind of boring. Maybe it's the lack of bass.
@@baronvonlichtenstein Thank you so much for the detailed explanation! Last question, which from your whole list of headphones would you recomend me as a beginner music producer?
Nice review, Adam. I was looking at picking up a set of studio monitor headphones, so seeing this in my recommended as I finished watching your review of the Infinite Painter app this morning was perfect! I'm curious which headset you decided to keep. I'm still on the fence. That said, I have a Beyer Dynamic stage mic that sounds as good today as it did when I bought it new in 1988 and it's still the best mic I've ever owned. I realize I just dated myself, but oh well. lol.
The more I delve into the world of sound the more I see Beyerdynamic 80s. Got convinced when I saw a music guy I really respect on youtube wearing them on his head (had already done a ton of research on them beforehand), so I made the jump and bought them. Been happy with them ever since. I am extremely nervous about the cable, though, and it was the one reservation I had about the product. I baby that cable.
This is a "we should hangout" kinda guy. Knowledgeable and affable.
At first glance, I read it as effable
I have been using the Beyer 770 pro for 5 years, traveling many times between countries and with them being really tight in my bag and they are like new, nothing have broken or tear, the build quality is superb.
The build quality is shitty. I had DT990 pros for one week and I had to return them. I heard weird sounds in left ear when I was listening something with lowend. Also the "DT990 PRO 250ohm" inscription, he began to rub off on the first day. I bought M50X and I'm finally happy... I have them good 5 months now and they are perfect.
@@asocial2476 it is really is personal experience based. I have beyerdynamic dt 990 250ohm and dt 770 80 ohm. Also have m50x and m40x. I prefer dt 770 overall. dt 990 is good for gaming. Audio technica always had issues for me. I do much prefer my Sennheiser any day of the week.
I've had mine for nearly 8 years now, still solid!
@@asocial2476 hater
@@asocial2476 Okaay, duud. Don't need to get aggressive. Haters.
I have tried the DT 770 Pro in both 80 and 250 Ohm. Recommended them a few times to happy recipients who prefer listening to music like Jazz or Classical Music.
Also tried a few Sennheisers, Sonys, Koss, Bose and Bower Wilkins Headphones just to mention a few that are either a popular choice or really good on their own.
Notable mention... the Koss Porta Pros always amaze me as a compact on Ear Headphone.
But back to those two legendary Headphones ... i just bought my third pair of M50s ... my second one beeing the BT2 Variant ...which truly sounds like it is indeed wired... if you use LDAC 960kbps.
Stay away if you intend to use them with an iPhone. They will sound as dull or even worse than a pair of Ear Pods Max.
My original pair of M50s was now 14 years old and i have used it at least a few hours every day... at home, on the go ... just always.
Why did i replace them for a new pair of M50 (in the M50x Gunmetal variant :))? Because they sound so much more fun... they work for films, also Jazz and Classical Music ... although the sound stage is not nearly as wide as on the DT 770 Pros or the DT990 for that matter and the clarity is also not as defined.
But exactly this clarity is for my preferred types of music too much, too airy,... i love that DnB, Techno, Rap and Trap or any type of EDM sounds like you are in the club.
Huge Speaker style bass, nothing distorted, nice but tight soundstage that can become quite a bit wider with the proper recording.
This btw. also makes them quite useable for fast FPS Shooter Games... positional audio is still decent while explosions sound like real explosions.
"Airier" Headphones like your typical Bose or Sony NC Premium headpones, the DT 770 or the good sounding but very fragile Premium Steelseries Headsets do not reproduce mids and especially low frequencies quite as punchy but still not overexposed like the M50 do.
Back to my final Audio verdict as i drifted over to why i also like to use them for really everything else.
I like my audio clean, neutral and undistorted but still dirty, so when the fat baseline hits, it really hits you.
So i have the peace in mind that i do not care if i listen to Simon & Garfunkel, Lil John, A$AP Rocky, The Prodigy, John Spencer Blues Explosion, ELO, Justice, Die Antwoord, Dj Shadow, Slipknot, Trampsta, Massive Attack, Dj Fresh, Autechre, Chicago, Schoolboy Q and whatnot... it all just sounds so right. Not only clean but also fun.
Mind you the DT 770s will manage to play quite a few of these Artists just fine too,... but take the song Bassline Junkie from Dizzee Rascal ... the bass will not "be buzzin" on the DT 770 Pros ...
so that is definately a song that sounds just weird on the DT-770 Pro.
John Spencer also sounds in general nicer on the M50s although the DT770 also do a good job but they do create a different experience for the listener.
So if you want a "always on" wide soundstage with pristine separation (perfect to dissect every single instrument track) and brilliant treble ... go get the DT 770 Pro´s ... they do feel more comfortable and a bit more premium.
But i just cannot quit the M50s ... they sound so much more fun to me and when i need some bangers instead of the 4th coffee... the DT 770 just do not cut it.
Comfort was a problem in the end with my 14 year old ones ... but both new ones feel really nice.
At the very first day i should have given the Headband a little strech as the fit will hurt after a few hours if you have a rather big head like me.
Now a few days in this does not bother me.
Quite curious ... the Earpads from the BT2DS Variant are quite noticeable softer and feel really nice throughout a 10 hours office day (Mic is really really good for Teams and i can dual pair my phone and notebook).
Still the M50 Earpads will be comfortable enough, even for longer sessions as long as they are fresh, be sure to replace them as soon as you feel the inner cup putting pressure on your ears.
There are also quite a few high quality after market earcups available for the M50s ... but that sounds like a research of its own which i have been too lazy to do yet.
I have the D770 Pro 32 Ohm version, the only flaw is that dumb connector for the left side (that thing will break), the poor portability and the M50X has a detachable cable.
For sound quality, i used the M50X for studio purposes, the DT 770 Pro sounds way better, night&day difference by the separation you mentioned.
It sounds more accurate or overall flatter, it's extremely noticiable for classical music. The calibration for the left and right drivers are excelent, sounds coming from the center do come from the center, that never happened for me with the Audio Technica.
The Audio Technica M50X isn't as flat as the dt 770 pro and it's amazing for electronic music as you mentioned.
When i set up my home studio, i was really choosing just between Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) and Audio-Technica ATH-M50x, and i have finally chosen Audio-Technica ATH-M50x really because of that undetachable cable on Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm).. i set this headphone really just for monitoring purpose and nothing else.. i already have other headphones for audiophile and other purposes.. so i really didn't take that versatility into account at all..
In regards to the sound quality, i really have read tons of articles, and watched tons of videos on RUclips, then i finally had to compare the sound signature of each headphone, and really Audio-Technica ATH-M50x has a very flat sound signature comparing to Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) at high-end, mid, and low-end.. even some RUclipsrs have said that they found the low-end has been boosted in Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro..
I will add my experience, I bought my first pair like 20 years ago from Guitar Center for my electronic drum practices, In 2 decades of use all kind of things happened, dropped endless times, I smashed them with my ass in the throne, stand in the wire and stand up is very common thing for a drummer, I kicked them, even tripped with the wire and they still working up this days.
Drumming is very physical, easy to sweat and the headphone pads eventually gets very nasty, the good thing is Beyerdynamics sale the ear pads and the cushioned arc wrap as well, is also some aftermarket cheaper pads but personally I use the brand ones.
80 vs 250 ohm experience, I have both and I feel better bass punch with the 80 ohm, I used the DT770 with my computer, mixer and audio system, im not crazy how sounds like listening music but do the job.
Thank you for the video.
I have the DT 770 pro 80 ohm and it's incredible. It's so much comfortable with the stock velour pads, great soundstage especially for a closed back. And the subbass is insane..!!!
Yep, totally agree with that.
Mr. Wednesday hey, I am planning to get a Dt770, how was the insane? 🤕was it satisfying?
@@roufali3178 The subbass reproduction on dt770 80 ohm is by far one of the best for a close back. You can feel and hear the frequencies below 50 hz clearly unlike a lot of bassy headphones. And the bass is clear and punchy as needed. I'm happy with these and I recommend them as well. You can watch metal571's review on these headphones to get a better idea.
I wanna buy a pair but I'm unsure between the 32 and 80 ohms variants. I'll be plugging them into my desktop without any kind of amp. Which should I go for?
Sirsho Banerjee 80 ohm is recommended and you will get very low distortion and tonns of details compared to 32 ohms. Your desktop will be able to drive 80 ohm with decent volume level
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Great review ... I have both of these - started with the ATH-M50x and was pretty pleased but I felt the comfort level was a bit fatiguing. I know a bit about inductive reactance and frequency characteristics, so I expect a 120ohm or 300ohm to sound better ... I never hear the Beyerdynamic before but saw some good reviews. I had had Sennheiser before and always loved them - bought some Yamaha and really didn't like them. When I compared the ATH-M50x to the DT-770 Pro (80ohm) I immediately noticed a sonic difference as well as comfort. My wife noticed a difference in a blind test as well. The DT-770 Pro didn't really have more bass, but it sounded ... better than the ATH-M50x. The ATH-M50x did have a little more punch but reminded me of something edging towards Beats or something like that 0 while the DT-770 Pro leaned more towards a higher-end experience. So, I have both, and 95% of my time is spent with the Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro.
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HEY BUDDY, I WANTED TO TELL YOU I'M 49 YS OLD, IM IN WHEELCHAIR SINCE '98 I WAS A HIGH-END CAR AUDIO FABRICATION SYSTEM BUILDER W LOTS OF BASS AND IVE BUILT A STUDIO LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IM SHY DONT MAKE VIDEOS BUT PROFESSIONALLY I MUST SAY IVE HAD AT 50X FOR 3.5YRS ROLLED OVER CORDS, DROPPED BANGED UP INLY SEEING DAMAGE IS LITE CRACKS IN EAR PADS ZERO NEW CABLES IVE SINCE GOT A WIRELESD PAIR ALSO 50 BTS THEY BOTH HELD UP SOUND PERFECT AND YES BOUGHT 80 OHM BDS AND I MUST HAVE BOTH I CANT DECIDE WHICH I PREFER UNTIL YOU GO TO. 1990 IF MIXING YES 250ON AMP ARE GREAT MAYBE THE. M60 OR M70 AT MAY PUSH ENVELOPE BUT OUT OF TWO I LIKE BOTH BUT BDS ARE LITE CLEARER MAYBEM600R 70. AT PRICE EVEN NOT OF CONCERN MAY BE THE ROUTE BUT I WILL CHECK THEM OUT NOW THANKS TO YOUR EXPERIENCES AND SHARING BECAUSE I AM A HUGE SEVERAL HOURS A DAY USER TO LISTENING. SO THANKS FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE STEVE
@@steveyockey765
Why you screaming XD
@@yooki8826 He's old and disabled I guess . . .
@@yooki8826he's deaf, probably from testing all that bass lol
The Beyerdynamic Custom Studio is based on the DT-770 Pro, 80 ohms, with a detachable cable and an adjustable bass reflex system with four different settings that makes it extremely flexible. I'd recommend getting it over the other two.
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@@martinkulik9466 Yes, it's a shame!
@@LousyFacelift I ordered dt770 80ohm. but will use with no amp. also, now I am checking dt250 ohm...I want best detailed sound under 200...and 770 seem to be staples
@@martinkulik9466 80 ohm version should be loud enough without an anp in most situations.
@@LousyFacelift yo I just received anker q30 and I am thinking of cancelling dt770. I think these q30 have some internal amp driving their sound since they are wireless with wired option. the bass is punchy tight and overally hi fi sound for 70 bucks...haha I dont know, check them out. my few days old superluxes 681 evo sound dull in comparison and they supposedly equal headphones 5x more expensive, but they can't match sound of q30. I am new to this and ordered these 3 headphones basically this week, but thnking to cancel 770 since I read they don't reproduce vocals right which is what I miss in superluxes too....
Just bought the dt770 pro (80 ohms) with an ifi hip dac for pure listening. Sounds amazing:) The sound is so rich and the bass doesn't overtake it!
The best headphones I ever had for sure:)
I'm planning on getting these, thanks dude I'm hyped now
@@Banktiktok1 nice:) just so you know ,the highs can be little sharp and give some s/c sounds if you know what I mean with bright voices. It's very easy to fix thought just turn down the highs a little bit with an eq.
Btw: the 250 ohm version have even sharper highs, so I can recommend the 80 ohms over the 250 ohm, if you are sensitive to sharp s/c sounds. It can be a bit harder to fix on the 250 ohm.
@@elliotandersson8302 Perfect, il be getting the 80's thanks mate
@@Banktiktok1 Your welcome:)
Nice bro, how's the bass? For dubstep or hip-hop
Just got my 770s today. No regrets.
Will they be good for gaming ?
@@radhamadhav8063 They're one of the most comfortable headphones I've worn. I don't use them for gaming, but after using them for an extended period, they don't bother me. You should look at the 990s too. They are open back, so theres a better airflow, and you might not feel as 'trapped' as you do with closed back.
I loved open back when i tried them on my cousin's hd6xx , but I'm very unlucky , i live in a super noisy environment and its a small house with a single room , so using an open back would actually be very disturbing , also since I'm a sucker for high volumes. So i just made myself go with closed back headphones. I will be gaming a lot , so I've decided to go with the coolermaster mh752. But I'll buy a very good open back one day , the CM is actually really affordable and quite cheap , so it just helps me save money for that future open back headset
I've been using a 770 pro 80 Ohm for more than a year now. It operates perfectly, no injuries, not nothing. It's perfect.
Do you use an amplifier? If not, how is it? Do I need to buy an amplifier?
Basil Ganglia I have both the 32 ohm pleather & 80 ohm as I type this 😂 can’t decide yet.... also haven’t even tried them with an amp 😭
The M50X are very unpopular in the audiophile community, due to their overpowered bass and muddy mids.
This intro is the most accurate review to make a choice between those 2.
Great review thank you. After this video im buying dt770 80 ohm
Do you use an amp?
@@bennos9604 you cant use it without
@@bennos9604 What are some good ones?
@@valerioodorisio you can, I've used DT 990 pro 250 ohms on my phone before
@@valerioodorisio why not?
I'm considering buying either m40 or 770 for plugging to my phone. No amp here.
Few thoughts if I may. Build: DT pleather is actually better by far. M50 will flake within a couple years. Cable the opposite. Despite feeling more robust the DT will go open long before the lighter M50 cables guaranteed.
Isolation: I'm confused by your background fan noise explanation. Monitoring headphones are _supposed_ to reduce sound leakege to and from your surroundings. Eg when recording vocals the studio mic should not be picking up music track leaking from the vocalists headphones. You hearing sounds outside is a bad thing in a studio monitor.
Last, you describe listening to multiple audio sources from music, games etc and finding the DT more engaging. Isn't that an argument to use them more as entertainment?
Id be interested what you think of them after a couple years with both.
ATH-M50x are more comfortable, however the sound for me was super high pitched and actually hurt my ears to listen to. The DT770s have far fuller, well-rounded/balanced sound and are very comfortable too. I went with the DT770s in the end because of the sound... I just couldn't deal with the high pitched frequencies of the ATH-M50x. I also have a friend who has had DT770s for many years and they're still going strong - very good build quality, long lasting.
For that reason probably, my experience is that for people who produce/mix trap music and such, the ATHs work well. But I don't, so...
For casual listening, no comparison. I had them both and Beyer wins hands down...
80 OHM?
@@tayyabiqbal2143 do you have a DAC/AMP? if not, and you're going to be using it raw, the 32 ohm would be better.
@@WeedSmoker69 No I don't, thanks. I heard the Crossfade M-100 Master is better both with or without a DAC/AMP, so I might go for those. Which do you think is better based on sound quality?
@@tayyabiqbal2143 i'm not sure based on sound quality but i've heard the M100 is a solid choice overall. the M100 is a 32 ohm impedance, so i would think the 80 ohm beyerdynamics would sound better if you had a DAC/AMP though. also, i think the beyerdynamics are more comfortable in their stock ear pads, and they're cheaper too. my vote is beyer
edit: also, you could use the extra money for a DAC/AMP
@@tayyabiqbal2143 Yes.. 80 Ohm one :-)
from looking at both i thought that the m50xs feels cheaper and not built as well as the dt770s
One of the best reviews I've watched in along time. Well done, my friend.
This video is exactly what I needed 😳 thank you so much 🙏🏽
The DT-770’s are SUPERB! It’s my 3rd pair!
Thanks for specifying the 80 ohm model. so many reviewers dont mention what model they have and that clearly indicates they dont know what they are talking about.
Unfortunately he still doesn’t. Claims build quality is better on m50x as they creak onto his head 🤣😂
@@freshkleensucks Just goes to show that showing off your cool gear everywhere and buying a SM7B isn't any proof of quality.
@@freshkleensucks Just goes to show that showing off your cool gear everywhere and buying a SM7B isn't any proof of quality.
@@freshkleensucks M50x feels so fucking good in the hand. I've returned mine because they were uncomfortable as fuck, but they feel solid, even though they're plastic, they're fucking rock solid. I have DT 770 80Ohm on the way rn, I'm not planning to return them, but will see how it'll go :>
freshkleensucks yeah, he said some really dumb and sometimes just incorrect stuff. The build quality thing, and then the comfort. Anyone that even hesitates for an instant to say the 770’s are more comfortable than the m50’s is a moron. M50’s are horribly uncomfortable while the 770’s are some of my most comfortable cans. Also he said “preamp” when he meant “amp” so many fucking times throughout the video, that was pissing me off lol
Tried both for a month. Kept the 770s. Way better comfort, wider soundstage, smoother highs, decent subbass and monitoring my guitar sounds more natural. But a friend uses the m50xs to mix basslines in techno music. They aren't bad, but I prefer the 770s in nearly every aspect
I have been using dt770pro 80ohm for two years now, replacing several "gaming headsets" that always broke after some 6 to 12 months of use. Mostly PC use (gaming and youtube), and music mostly from my S9+ phone using "poweramp" app. I now understand why reviewers say it is the best between 100 to 200usd. dt770pro is bass heavy, recessed mid and also a little heavy on treble, sort of V shape (at least for my old ears). It handles bass (and it has sub bass) very well and I would recommend it to all bass heads. Excellent for games and for music. I also EQ with more bass and treble, but that is me. AFAIK the DT770 model was launched in 1985 and 34 years later they are still being built and sold - this HAS to mean something.
No other words can contain more truth than these ones. Received them today. Tested immediately on the weaker of my devices (Panasonic Scpmx80 micro hi fi). Of course volume has to be raised close to maximum (35-37/50) but despite of the fact they are not enabled delivering their best, the quality is here, exactly as you said: as I am basshead but not a bassfanatic, I appreciate how they are managed. Recessed mids. Trebles sometimes too heavy. They should run better on cayin n3 and on my high end motherboard.
One of the most sensible reviews I've read so far.
Not the 770, but I upgraded from the m50x to the DT 990 Pro. What an upgrade! I was wowed at how wide and spacious the 990s were by comparison. Now going back to the m50x sounds cramped and claustrophobic, much worse in my opinion. Definitely looking to get the 770 next for some closed back headphones.
It's my understanding the m50x was not designed for studio use. It's the fun v shaped version of that line. The m40x is what you want. They are the neutral headphone in that line that would serve you better. Also take a look at sony 7506, Sennheiser hd280 and hd 380 pro
also a little confused with the title
Well, the “M” does stand for “monitor” which technically categorizes them for studio usage
My opinion is the m50x do so extremely well due to MKBHD’s high praise of them, but I personally really don’t find them at all good I terms of sound
@@AdamDuffArt you watched an older video of his, when he was new to the scene, he later mentioned that the M50x have been spiced up for the casual bass head listener, for any critical listening any audiophile will recommend the M40X as the top comment told you in the first place
@@AdamDuffArt I disagree.. I like the 50x more. Not because of Mkbhd
Maybe the M-50x can be used for tracking, but a lot of people use DT-770 to know what’s happening when tracking.
Most helpful review I've seen on the two headphones. I'm currently torn as well, but you broke it down so thoroughly and well, I feel like I have a much better idea of the pros and cons of each. Thank you!
I have all three flavours of the Dt770s 32 ohm for field recording, 80 ohm and 250 for studio. I absolutely love them and barely feel that they're on. Cable management is the only issue though it's easier with the coiled cable on the 250ohm version.
Would you say the 250 ohm version handle the bass better and distort less?
@@axchisler no, the 80Ohm version is actually faster sounding and cleaner in the bass. 250ohm is cleaner in the treble.
I truly respect you for the explanations provided between different headphones aspects. This is a gem for any buying guide type of video
I need a hybrid of both. The build style and features of the 50’s but the sound of the 770’s 😂
Personally I like the sound of the m50x better Im a producer and I find my mixes transfer better from the m50x. However I am very used to how they sound so take that as you will
I think it's quite a bit subjective between Audio Technica and Beyerdynamic series. Personally, Beyerdynamic series does slightly make audio feel more alive and pleasurable.
Ok, my first pair was ATH-2 in 1984, they blew me away, since then I've used loads incl very expensive brands like Ultrasone, Fostex etc.., but mainly for mixing producing. You don't need to spend thousands as the law of diminishing returns doesn't enhance your mixdown. On balance, my favourite is MDR-V6, the only downside are the cheap pleather flakey pads but you can change those. The DT-150 is definitely better than the DT-770 Pro, if you're a bass player the AKG-K52 is unbeatable period. But for all round use as you say the M50x are the best. If you're in to supra-aural, the HD25-1ii which has a signature based on the V6 is on par with the M50x.
Because of distorting base I returned two pairs of DT770 80 ohm variants and one 32 ohm variants. Sound was very, very good but when bass kicked in that distortion make them unusable.
The M50x are wonderful, except the crappy material on the ear pads. The pleather cracks and sloughs off rather quickly. It is a known issue, yet the manufacturer has never endeavored to fix it. That is maddening. The DT770s lack of removable/interchangeable cables is equally maddening. That said, the DT770s have a remarkable sound signature with a great soundstage for closed back headphones. After some burn-in, they are smooth and satisfying. They are my pick and I really love them.
You can, with little soldering, make a removable camble mod for the DT 770s. Or pay someone to do it. This website sells the cable mod but if you scroll down you can also see a video on how to do it yourself jfunk.org/wpc/product/beyerdynamic-detachable-cable-mod/ . This applies to the beyerdynamic 880s and 990s as well.
Good review, but I'm quite sure the dt770's beat the m50x's in build quality as well.
Thanks for your review! Was searching exactly for a comparison with these two headphones. I have the DT990 250 ohms and wanted a closed back "Allrounder". This video was helping to find my decision! Thank you and keep it up! Greetings from Germany
Thanks for your review Adam. Finally... someone has convinced me into purchasing the DT770's. It was well explained with utmost intricacy and finesse. Cheers.
for work in a home studio ? you have got the 80ohm or 250ohm ? happy with them ? ......
@@ChrisBessy 80ohm. I just received them last week. I'm an audiophile, so for personal use only at home. I really love the flat response these have and impressive stereo imagery for closed back headphones. Very comfy too!
@Roinatan
These are my personal choice from what I have researched at around this price and although I do recommend them, everyone has different ears and tastes that suit their personal requirements.
I've spent many patient hours researching and listening to a myriad of closed back over ear headphones.
I seriously do recommend you take a listen before you decide on purchasing.
@Roinatan
That's ok, I'm happy to help.
One small tip of advice is listen to a familiar piece of music that has all the characteristics your after. Use this as your reference when listening to various headphones so you get a feel for the sound that suits you best. Good luck! 😉👍
What genre is most likely that DT770's is good at?
I would stay with the DT770, although I have the 240 Ohm version. I tried the 80 Ohm, but it sounds dry and not responding well in the spectrum ends.
Now, there's an engineering catch: the 770s compared to the M50s, have a very linear mechanical behavior. This means equal sensitivity to low and high levels, something which gives that detail and background perception. Problem is that this linearity stays true ONLY if diaphragm does not exceed a certain length of movement, where beyond that limit a mechanical clip will occur (diaphragm cannot stay linear while going more in or more out), and that's the reason for distortion on loud bass.
On the other hand, M50s respond less to lower power levels degrading further the volume, an all spectrum non-linear behavior, which will drive you to a wrong decision concerning noise or low volume passes. Critical NOT to change volume during your work. Major difference, they will allow a longer diaphragm movement to preserve bass without distortion. And better suspension to handle the booms.
As I said in the beginning, I rather stick with my 770s.
Notes:
1. For the same volume perception in highs and lows, diaphragm travels longer with bass tones.
2. More coil turns, thus more impedance, means more sensitivity and linearity in low passages and low volume.
grbloopers can you simplify this please
Your main complaint about the DT770 was the non-detachable cable. It's actually a common mod to make it re-moveable. Then you can make (or have made) your own custom cable. And I decided to go with the 250 ohm version for pure sound. If I want more bass, I'll just use the EQ on my LG V60. The 770's should be able to handle it no problem.
Would you say the 250 ohm version handle the bass better and distort less than the lower impedance models?
@@axchisler not really. Higher impedance won't handle bass better, but gives it a wider power range to reproduce audio frequencies more accurately. If you want more bass, you have to look at the sound signatures from different manufacturers and then test to suit your taste.
I had the Shure SRH 440 with a (DETACHABLE CABLE) it broke after 2 years.... For the last 5 years I've been using the DT 770 PRO 250 OHM I can say one thing WOW. SUPER DURABLE, AMAZING QUALITY, GREAT SOUND 100/100
Are you using them with an audio interface and if so can you tell me witch one?
@@nikin2786 yes I am, my audio interface (at the moment) is the M-audio profire 610
@@GoreMelian thank you
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (80 OHM) I am Using every day for 10 years (computer). No problem
Do you use with an amp?
ive been trying to make my decision for a few weeks now , tried them at guitar center multiple timescale your video was helpful. thank you
I’ve heard both, beyerdynamics are definitely more detailed with awesome sound stage they sound amazing, and M50 are more for general use not as detailed but with a bit more bass as he explained, I hook them up to my e drums and unfortunately had to return the dts due to distortion on my bass drum
So the Beyerdynamic dt770 couldn't handle the kick drum of a e-drum? I'm looking for a good headset to buy with a Roland TD17 kit, so this would be helpfull information.
arvidb30 yeah mann they would distort with the bass drum I’d say get some different ones and make sure the ohms aren’t so high if you want good volume out of them
treble doesn't equal detail
In 2022 I'm choosing the DT 770 Pro 250 Ohm, just my preference as an artist and audio producer/composer/creator.
Just tried the DT 770's. First thing I noticed is a MUCH wider sound stage on the DT'a vs Audio Technica.
I can't make a decision between DT770 and DT990. Any suggestion?
@@hounddog00 : DT990 is opened back, while DT770 is closed back..
There's something special with 770 80,they sound bigger than life in a very pleasant way I haven't found elsewhere
Huge + for the Beyerdynamics is that you can actually replace every part of them and get replacement parts directly from Beyerdynamic
Except the cable!
I'm still struggling to choose one of these for listening more music but this seems like a detailed explanation. I've heard the ATH M40x or M50x aren't comfortable cause of the hard earpads. I'm planning to use it for music listening which has good vocals and immersive but also have good amount of bass that doesn't ruin the music/song. The ATH M50X seems like a good choice for bass and easier to bring around with you with better design while the DT 770 pro seems like a good immersive headphones but not the best for bass. This is a very hard decisions as I like to listen to music with clear vocals and good bass and I need comfortability the most since I wear them for 5-6 hours usually
Maybe replace the ear pads of the ATH.
It's too bad nobody ever talks about the size of the ear cups in reviews. It's one of the main things apart from sound that make or break headphones for me. Almost every 'advertised as over-ear' headphones are too small for my ears and sit either ON the ear or on th edges of my ears and it really hurts after a few hours, especially since over-ear often is designed with higher clamping force.
The Beyerdynamics are said to have really big ear cups and I can believe they would fit my ears, I'm less certain about the Audio-Technicas. I think I do prefer the latter mostly for the detachable cable. All my previous headphones with built-in cables stopped working after a while and I don't have to know-how to fix them.
same here I just tried about 10 different headphones and am now settling for the dt770 pro because they are the ONLY comfortable headphones I found. All others were too small for my ears
I have the Dt 770's and they are like pillows on your ears. Not only do they go over your ear, but they are deep far as width goes. I have the Eris 5, but I do most of my mixing on the dt 770. I also think it sounds good for just general use, but I really only use them for studio use. The only con I can say about the dt 770 is the cable is not detachable.
DT770 are really comfortable and i personally feel they are better build then M50X.
M40x really do hurt my ears.
Allow me to ring in on the size: I absolutely understand the size issue. I was looking to replace my M50X's and decided to try out the AKG K240 MKII's. Less than a day after purchase I returned them because they were just too small for my ears and it was causing me discomfort. I've been using the M50X's for coming up on 3 years now with the Wicked Cushion's replacement pads (the thick fabric ones) and have never once experienced discomfort even though I wear them for most of the day whilst gaming. While I was in the store returning the AKG's I decided to try on the Beyerdynamic 770's and hoooooboy are those pads roomy. My ears had space for days with how wide they sit.
I'll likely be picking up a pair the 770's when I can afford it.
My DT770's broke after about 3.5 years, but they can be repaired. Parts are available to buy for those that want to do that.
That's a major plus for DT's.
Hi, could you let me know where can I get parts for my broken DT 770? I will be very appreciate.
@@marcinbak7043 There is a major parts shortage at present, the sites that I found at least in the US say "out of stock, long or unknown lead times" That applies to even the entire headphone assembly being bought new right now for drivers with 250 ohm or 600 ohm. Beyerdynamic germany does seem to have them unless it's lying to me about the stock available, lots of companies do that. Don't bother repairing or upgrading them yourself unless your warranty expired.
The DT990 driver is the same part as in the DT770, they simply used a different shell.
Fullcompass.com, united sound solutions, showcomms.com (UK) are authorized providers of repair parts for BD headphones.
@@Enonymouse_ Thanx for reply. I sat on my Beyerdynamic headphones and I broken those plastics on the ends of headband 😬 I can glue it but I would prefer exchange them. Thanx , I will check out your tips. Regards.
I've had a set of ATH-M50x headphones since 2014. I regret ever buying them. They're not neutral, and the volume you use them at really changes the frequency response. At low volumes, they're all mids, and at everything above relaxed-listening levels, they're absolutely ear-shattering with the amount of terrible treble it creates. The true fight is between the DT770 Pro and the ATH-M40x. Yes, not kidding, a set of M40x headphones possibly with some nicer pads is better than the more expensive 50's.
San Jacobs facts
Question my guy Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro or ATH-M50x and if so by how much is it better. I’m trying to decide on a new headphones here and trying to figure if this will the weird sound issue I been having
@@GalenVaughn Well, the 1990s are way more expensive, and very different in multiple ways. The huge and open cans will give a much larger more natural sounds-stage, nowhere near the tight small sounds-stage of the M50x. This reduces muddy bass a whole lot, and gives a better experience if you're going to be gaming in them or listening to ASMR. However, this also means that sound will bleed into and out of them more, but as long as the place you live in isn't too noisy, it'll probably be fine. But of course, it just comes down to what you're ok with spending, because the 1990s are by far the better headphone.
San Jacobs Interesting. I have another question so I have this issue goin on in the audio, basically when you’re watching something you get these random clipping like let’s say it could happen 3-4 times in a 20min vid, it doesn’t happen all the time or with all the files that I play however i am using a Blu-ray version so I would think the file should be at its best. I have tried different PCs and headphones and problem still persists. Do you think a headphone that expensive could fix this issue? And I do have an amp
@@GalenVaughn No problem, man! Clicks and pops could be caused by many things. Do you have a dedicated DAC? Are you using a Mac? Do you have music-software open in the background? Does it only happen with certain files? Have you tried using Media Player Classic?
Wow! Just picked up the DT770 and decided to listen to your video after the fact! I see what you mean by all the Ssses, but you sound amazing! It straight up sounds like I am just monitoring your mic. Your voice is really clear!
Idk which one to buy for music production
DT770 pro have been my favourite cans since 2004 and I was always blown away by the accuracy, high end detail, imaging and impressive bass handling which really made doing headphone mix downs a much more enjoyable and easier process. I have had all versions from 32-80-250 ohms, and also used the 990 open back versions which were definitely a little clearer/more detailed than the 770s but I still prefer the 770s. The recurring problem I had is that so many pairs of them blew in one or both sides, some within a short time some gradually but a disappointing number of failed pairs were the only thing that caused me to try other alternatives.
Sennheiser had some great ones called something like the DJ6 and mix6 or something along those lines - they were only for a short while around 2015 but I was very impressed with those, from the sound, build quality & comfort they ticked all boxes and I think may have been 32ohm with very nice clarity & deep bass. Also less fatiguing than beyers can often be over long periods (less so with the moleskin cup pads and also open back models which breathe better and have slightly less squeeze pressure around the ear. I seem to remember the plastic grille pressing on my ear cartilage on some pairs which was really painful.
I also had some Ultrasones but found they only had the sheen and no real knock/substance and the imaging was far less stable. Mixing music was very hard with those. 770s are a great standard, the clarity is immediately apparent & they are probably akin to monitors like the Genelcs which I have and find quite easy to reconcile them when A/B’d.
I will always recommend 770s as my personal favourite with the added warning about the potential to blow/fail.
Also, I tried the modded ones by Customcans and they were crap, added nothing to a fresh pair of 770s and the mod seemed to lose all of the mid range solidity / knock / depth. Image was off kilter and hard to place anything - I would warn against buying customcans, seems to be more expensive “audiophile” BS hype.
I haven’t personally found ANY true competition for 770s under £500, which gets into territory for headphones requiring high quality preamps etc - another subjective rabbit hole. 770s avoid all that and give a very fine reference point for high quality headphones at a brilliant price.
Dr Dre is probably hanging his head in shame
I used the DT-770s for a few weeks before trying out the DT-880s which are rated higher than the 770s. DONT make this mistake- the DT880s are SUPER neutral so yes if ALL you're looking for is mixing earphones then I guess they'd be good but they're SO lacking in bass that I don't think they'd work for even that in my opinion. The DT-770s "pull you in" as you say, Adam, because they've got what you call a wide soundstage. And lord knows why, because they're closed back but they're absolutely incredible. Love them. (250 ohm)
I can go out and use my m50x walking in town, which i can't with a dt770
The cable also replacable
BUT, if you wanna use it in a room (studio, for videogames) for a long time, then I'd take the dt770 cause they're more comfy and reparable
32 OHM DT 770 has a short cable and is usable everywhere. Solution.
@@nickhardy2952 i really love this dt990, it wasnt available in 80 or 32ohm, I needed open back headphones
But thanks for the answer anyway :)
I bought the 770 Pro's because they have one of the best (biggest) sound stage for closed-back headphones, so it makes it one of the best headphones for gaming. All of the Audio Technica ATH-__x models have a tiny sound stage, which makes it less than ideal for casual usage, but it makes it great for straight monitoring and one ear solo monitoring while working with audio professionally.
Yeah the sound stage of 770s is amazing, especially in FPS games like Battlefield and COD
WOW! Spot on. I have exactly the same impressions about these headphones. Good job!
Hey Adam! Love all your stuff. By far my favorite headphones and I've burned alot of coin on different cans. Massdrop Sennheiser HD 6XX. FAR AND AWAY the best headphones I've ever had in my life. Fantastic sound and the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. I use these 8-12 hours a day.
Keep it up!
The HD 6XX makes everything sound DELICIOUS. Smooth as butter and oh so comfortable.
But I must say I also LOVE my AKG K702 for their spaciousness and detail retrieval. If you're looking for a different flavor to complement your HD 6XX, I highly recommend them.
I ended up buying both, figuring I would decide later and sell one pair on. Well, I ended up keeping both: ATs for work and travel and DTs at home. The ATs are terrific, very comfortable but a bit hyped. The DTs are flatter and more articulate and but you will struggle to drive them from a phone. There is no "best" in this case. But one point about listening vs monitoring: do not spoil your ears too much. Get used to a fairly clean, fairly flat replay system. Otherwise your ears will be off balance when you come to monitor.
Mike Page I can completely see what you mean
I have grown to love more detailed less V shaped sounds - which is why I decided to stick with MSR7B’s as my new daily driver (msr7’s are just as good)
I tried out the DT1770’s last week and hated them - especially for the price
Way too heavy on the lows and recessed mids
I was on the exact same fence just a couple months ago. Also had both of them for a little while to play around and the Beyerdynamics really stuck with me. While the extra wires and more space while around the neck was a noticable plus for the Audio Technicas, the immersion I felt with the Beyers just couldn't be beat. Completely understand the point about the sort of "draw" that the Beyers create. Long story short stuck with the Beyers and haven't regretted the choice yet. Hope this helps out anyone with their choice, have a great day!
P.s. The Beyers did break in very well. Great comfort in my experience.
Adam Duff reviewing headphones!? nice one, i haven't sleep yet so i thought this wasn't you
If you're thinking about getting the ATH-M50x... get the M40x instead. Or if you want a step up, get the new Sennheiser HD560s. The 560s has exceptionally flat frequency response, and great for monitoring, editing, music mixing, etc.
I got M40X and wanna get M50X next, why do You think that M40X are better, could You explain, please? Thanks!🙏🏻💫
@@reinrbert1804 the M50X have a metallic timbre (they sound tinny), they are sibilant in the high frequencies (cymbals hiss at you rather than sound real), and the bass is not very well defined. Please look up reviews for the Sennheiser 560S! The M50X are over hyped. I own a pair of M50X, and have other headphones that cost slightly more but sound much better.
@@Bloogly89 Thank You a lot for the recommendations! Feel so glad that You didn’t hesitate to answer after a long time! Will have a look!❤️🔥✨
@@reinrbert1804 you're welcome! Let me know what you think of the 560S reviews.
@@reinrbert1804 the 560S will sound detailed, spacious, balanced (between bass/mids/highs), and natural in comparison to the M50X certainly.
How do you feel today and which did you keep?
Thanks for giving the point about the all-rounders instantly and not after a 20 minute video :)
I have dt 770 pro and 880 pro... absolutely love them! Most comfortable headphones I've ever used. I dont record, I just like good sound and comfortable headphones. I have the 770 with the short cord to take on flights. I agree... they are not designed to go around your neck, but they are great on a long flight :)
I really have to take a week at least to break these in (if I still can't decide on the sound quality) - they really started causing a headache after longer usage
Wait up, a short chord? I didn't know they had that option! (fyi, I returned the M50x's - going to be comparing them to the Sennheiser HD650's tomorrow) - I had a chance to try the 880's and 990's today - and honestly, I feel that the 770's had the best detail and purity of sound.
Yes, I love the short cord! My dad has the 650s... he does mixing though. He absolutely loves them.
@@theforgedone I love my dt770 250ohm but thus I have the long cable not flat pffff .... lol
how can I change this ? I see very nice rework of dt770 on internet ......
@@ChrisBessy ruclips.net/video/XCdQHamb5dk/видео.html try to do this
I have both. Beyerdynamic DT770 pro is way better in my opinion. The buildquality is far better and they deliver way more comfort. My ATH-M50x havent hold up nearly as good. The headband and ear pads are pure garbage. And the headband is not replaceable. I changed the ear pads to a pair from Shure. Can really recommend that for anyone that owns ATH-M50x.
And as a bonus. The DT770 sound better aswell.
I'm looking for some good headphones with a bit more reverberation actually... so that I can "feel" the explosions again. Using the MMX300s (which is basically a DT770 with a mic) now, which are fine, super pure very clear sound. However, my old Syberia650s with 50MM drivers are about as clear, and give a ton more reverb and experience when playing games.
Thanks for this video. You do the best comparaison between this two headset
I have a pair DT 770 pro's I've been using for about 6 months my favorite closed back head phones
I can't make a decision between DT770 and DT990. Any suggestion?
I've got them both now in 80 ohm I've switched ear pads on them and that makes a big difference
@@shawnkooyman4612 I wanted to get DT770 pro 250 ohms because it has coil cable which looks robust but I am worried that if my PC can power it without an amp......
@@hounddog00 no you probably need an amp to get the best sound out of them ,the ifi Zen DAC is a good amp I have one it would power them and I think it was under $150
@@hounddog00 @hounddog00 if you need an open back then 990. You'll definitely need an amp to get the best out of 990. Also 990 can have some sharp treble so if you're treble sensitive then go with 770. If you need a closed back and want good bass then go with 770 80 ohm. In the end it all comes down to your use case. (if you buy 250 ohm ones, you'll need an amp otherwise you might not like the sound as it will sound very close to your ear and congested, and the sound will lack clarity and soundstage. You can check your motherboard manual to see if it's capable but often that doesn't lead to anything helpful. And any current budget amp will be able to drive 250ohm just fine.)
The Beyer cable issue is easy to resolve. Simply cut the cable at approx 2 inches from the headphone. Reinforce this cable stub with shrinkwrap, etc. Attach the connector of choice. Now you have a detachable headphone that is actually superior to one with an embedded jack, because it will flex in all directions and detach, saving the headphone jack from damage. If the audio technica jack breaks, you are out of headphones for even longer.
Ummmmmmm..... You're going to solder a jack onto that two inch long wire.... Been doing electronics for 55 years now and I can tell you that it will fail in no time. It's a critical area with head-turning and moving about.... It's a high stress area. And shrink wrap is going to provide diddly-squat... That jack will fail very, very soon - that is a certainty, my friend. Common sense will tell you that. The mere location of it will tell you that too. It's the worst possible place to splice a jack in order to "plug and unplug" replacement cables. Too much body and head movements to fatigue that splice connection. It just ain't gonna work in that location with your method and adding shrink wrap for strength is useless. The best connection in that particular location is exactly what the ATH-M50X has, which is a And by the way, the purpose of shrink wrap is for isolation - not for trying to "strengthen" a connector. Now on the other hand, the removable connector such as the one on the
Do like me, get both lol. I see your Shure SM7B and MixPre 3 so they should be easy for you to buy lol.
I like the DT 770 for my monitoring and VO recording sessions, I like the M50X for when I am playing Bass or listening on devices outside of studio.
i used the AT m50x for about a year and some change, they're great if you like a very warm (almost muddy) low-mid response. they have a nice amount of lows and a slightly sharp high-end response. perfect for trap and hip hop.
A amp can make the m50x sound amazing, am sure the other one also. I still enjoy my m50x because their durability my m50x lasted me 8 years and still works perfectly lol
Speaking of audio quality, you’re voice sounds over compressed. Very noticable.
That might also be the SM7B, it's got a very intense sound
San Jacobs Thanks for the info
Just had to snipe huh?
I bought a pair of 770’s for studio recording and practice. I need the detail for development of my five string bass tone with effects. The 10 foot cable is essential when I’m standing playing and recording. It is my understanding that these headphones are designed and used primarily for professional musicians recording in studios. They do all I need.
make sure not to mix and master on them cause they have 6db boost on the low end and that sucks...(for mixing)
Everybody was telling how good they are for mixing and stuff that i bought them. I’m so disappointed... i’m gonna sell them and get a pair of AT-M40x
So as someone who's looking more or less to just listen to music I guess I want the ATH-M50x headphones. Like, I may go into making music and such at some point, but for now just listening to music.
well, seems like some bias. And, if his audio clarity is like his blurry vid, than who knows what sounds better. I just tested the 770 Pro 80 Ohm for a week, along with the 990 Pro 250 Ohm, bot amped. The 990 Pro sounds like more clarity, sound stage is wider, open, and bass is a little better in the 770, but only because they are closed. IDK about the M50X, but am trying to figure it out. M50X sounds like a BMW. The 990 Pro are so comfortable and good sounding that I literally could wear for 5+ hours and didn't want to take them off. To test, I let my daughter do some listening: the 990 Pro, she didn't want to take them off, and I was playing techno for her, when she is primarily into alternative. I too had to keep the volume down to prevent distortion, and both the 770 and 990 would not get loud enough without distorting, in comparison to my MDR-7506, which just go so much louder without distorting and have more bass. But, the bass on the Beyerdynamics when cranked without distortion just sounded very nice.
I'm on my 2nd pair of 50s. I've used them for years at work to listen to music, podcasts, so on--love them!.... However, I just bought a DAC and I'm considering the 770s to change it up a bit. This video has been very informative and I think I'm gonna give the 770s a shot!
How is your experience?
^^^ I guess by the lack of response you can go fuck yourself
@@jedemesa23 feels bad man
@@jedemesa23 I can guarantee you the 770s are undeniably worlds better from an audiophile perspective.
@@RumpelStiltskindarkone But duuuude! Audiophiles don't know anything! Markass Brownie and Lienus Sex Tips said the M50x's are absolutely perfect in every single way!!!! If a pair of headphones aren't M50x's they're trash-uuhhhh! Shut up!!!!!
i've got the dt770 80ohm (too much bass for work in studio), i've got the dt770 250ohm and really love it ... and now i've got the m40x. Lot's of forum say's that
the m40x is better for mastering than m50x because more flat response. Yes, with new pads, I was surprise, they sounds very good and we hear everything.
But then, I heard my mix in my car and it was very bad. When I work with my dt770 250ohm, ok I must check with my speakers, but it's better than the m40x ....
I've tried the dt880 250ohm and 600ohm, but my mix was not very good with them. My favorite stay the dt770 250ohm today !
My dt770 80 ohms broke a few days ago. I'm thinking about getting the 250 ohm this time. Any big difference in sound? Do you find the coiled cable less comfortable?
@@JJ-rp5ck yes I have the 80ohm and the 250ohm and now I only use the 250ohm in my home studio. less bass but good bass, beautiful mids, and beautiful trebles. I prefer the flat cable ...... but I prefer the 250ohm ^^
I would never mix in headphones again, I mix in studio monitors because they are made for that.
@@coolguythematrix5 i'm right with you. But it's not the first time that I have a track that sounds very well in my monitors and when I check with headphone's, I hear
something is not ok when I compare with a reference track. Headphones would be just a check. You are right, the best is do all the track with the monitors.
For example, I hear well the stereo with my monitors but for compare the level of the stereo with a reference track, I hear better with headphones.
I listen music from my phone so the 32ohm version is best for me?
Kudos to you Adam, great video! Which one would you get for voice over? Both of these are "over" the ear and not "on" the ear, right? Also would a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd or 3rd Gen), interface be enough juice to power up the 80 ohm's? Thanks a lot in advance for your reply details, Adam!
I'm late to this party, but I have both. The 770s handle bass incredibly well, but just like any speaker or headphone, you can overload them from the source and they will clip. So if you're using a DAC/amp or audio interface, just turn down the volume of the audio source a little bit (RUclips, Spotify, Logic Pro, etc) and turn up the volume of the headphone control on the DAC/amp or interface. They sound infinitely better than the M50x in my personal opinion!
Really great video man. I am a bass player and I've being tracking a lot from home during this lockdown. My Beats are getting old, and not a huge fan of them. Ofc, I like a great response to low end, but then I always end up doing " a little mix" either for social media contents... or just even sending bass tracks remotely to musicians / producers elsewhere in the World. The majority of people actually suggested me to go for the Beyer Dynamic DT 990, but for mastering/mixing purposes only. Obviously I'd like to avoid the open back due to spilling... in case I'm buying a mic for some bass tutorial where I am supposed to talk, or if I ever dare to release a piano and vox cover. I was exactly on the same fence you were talking about between Audio Technica and Beyer Dynamics DT 770. Despite the fact that I like comfortable headphones ( so the Audio Technica seem to win on that side), from your video it appears that the DT 770 are like a pair of monitors just at the side of your ears, more truthful and with a flat response... which in that case could probably help me whenever I am eqing sounds. I just wonder if the DD 770 respond well to track bass guitar, but indeed I am not pumping sub freq into them. Just asking as you mentioned they tend to have a slight distortion on the lows compared to the Audio Technica! Thanks
A friend that works in music studios described them as Beyer are more for the mix/monitor true linear, while ath m50x have more punch
And he would use beyer in studio, but for vocalists or for my classical guitar would give the ath, cause that punch somehow is preferred by that vocalist recordin oneself
Enjoy 770 for hifi.
Very alive.
Hello! For radio broadcasting wich is better ? Thank you.
thank you
AT LAST i can come to a conclussion on which one i should get, been searching for quite some time lmao
Consider 250 ohm version. They are relatively more neutral.
@@sonnyethan9588 did you heared what a man in video said? If you dont have source for 250ohm you should get lower... you cant recommended to everyone 250ohm
@@sonnyethan9588 Unless you have the amp for that, please don't buy that shit lol. Get the 80s for PC/most studios or 32s for ur phone.
@@PsychoCaki I'm listening to this video on 250 ohm headphones plugged into my laptop and and the video is loud enough.
I used my M50x's for 6 years now, plastic on the left side broke. enjoyed them alot and still recommend them alot, but i guess ima try the 770 pro's now
my Audio Technica ATH-M50x broke after a few months so I'm hoping the DT770Pros will be better.
By the way, the DT770 can be completely repaired by the user.
The DT770 repair kits (slider kits) cost $40 after shipping. The plastic clips break after a year or less depending on your usage and care. I have had my 80hm Dt770s for 4 years and the sliders have broken twice, im done man its super annoying. I will admit they are the best damn headphones I have EVER heard. the bass is so lovely, just get an amp like an E10k or 2i2 interface. However I will admit the bass is heavy and mixing can be off.
@@GoodAtHeart Umm... how can u break the DT770? I sleep while wearing the damn thing lol
For u to kind of leave a scratch on the dt770 you need at least exploding a nuke right next to them, and even after the explosion the dt770 will be fine
Currently listening to this with the 770 pro (250), around 8 years of usage so far, just yesterday my youngest daughter used it as a hammer :), now the right channel is not working. :(
@@GoodAtHeart Is a E10k good enough or is it better to choose for a fiio k5 pro
I own both.. ATH-M50X better if you need to travel with your headphones (fold, smaller, lighter , removable cable and easier to drive) .. DT770 Pro 80's better to use at home .. need an amp, bigger, bulky, long fixed cable. But the DT770 Sounds better, both have a similar sound sig (when properly amped)
ATH-M50 headbands degrade over time and then you are kinda hosed.. you can buy a cheap cover i guess.. but sending back to AT for service wouldn't make a ton of sense because it would cost enough you might as well buy new ones and take awhile.
Build quality of the DT770's is basically bomb proof .. yeah some of the plastics feel ~cheap.. but the plastics are robust.. my DT770's are 6~yrs old other than a bit of fading on the white lettering mine are still in very good shape... if they did break you can buy spare parts from beyer and fix them pretty easily (if the cable gets damaged... that is a bit tricky ..but the cable is very robust mine is still fine 6~yrs on.. if you have solder skills you can swap a cable out (you can buy cable from beyer).
The M50X's aren't immune to cable issues (connector or wire from left to right earcup) ... if a wire / connector goes you pretty much have send them back to AT.. or tear the headband apart / buy after market headband.
The DT770 really wins because it sounds better and because it is much more comfortable
I disagree...I've owned both. The m50x are super sibilant in the treble and bloated on the bass...you need a EQ on your source to tame it. With the Beyers, especially the 250 ohm ones, are excellent inside and outside the house, and need no EQ to tame them. Change the pads to some brainwavz kind, and its blissssss
A great and detailed review. I actually just bought some DT770 Pros, and I do quite like them, but I find myself slightly disappointed with them when compared to my Sennheiser HD25s that I've been using most days for about 11 years. The HD25s have a much clearer and more true sound, and they isolate better. I think the 770s will have to be reserved for less frequent use at home, while the HD25s will continue to be my daily drivers. I know this video is pretty old now, but if you are still looking for alternatives, I'd say the HD25s are a very good choice, and I'm surprised no one else mentioned them. :)
That's amazing. I have experienced the complete opposite. I just switched from Dt770s to HD25s and I feel that they don't have as much detail nor do they have as good soundstage. Nor do I believe they isolate better. I guess it's just a matter of preference.
Probably because you got used to how the HD25s sounds after 11 years. try spending more time with the 770s and get used to it's sound signature. Switching headphones can sound tricky at first!
@@Wilantonjakov Nah mate when you've been using a certain pair of headphones for a long period of time and switch up to a new pair of headphones it will always sound like your last pair sounds better because you got used to how it sounds!
Interesting read... I've had my hd25's for about 20 years now... Done a damping mod and pre weighted the drivers... Swapped the steel cable for copper.. Changed the pads to larger yaxi pads... Anyway I've been looking at the dt 770's (80) for a long time... I done a side by side comparison a few months back in a shop... I thought my hd25's sounded better... Not sure if that's because like the above have said I'm use to them... Also unsure how long the dt770 had been burned in for, but they were display demo units so guessing they have defo had a few hours worth.. Another factor was I was in a loud environment and not sat at home (thought my hd25's also isolated better)... But here I am still looking at reviews on the highly recommend dt770's and still on the fence about if they're worth getting or not... Think I'm going to need to go try them out again. I want something for strictly home use games/films/music.. my hd25's will always be my go to for portable use.... For the comparison I was using my LG V40 phone which has a quad DAC powerful enough to drive the 250 version with my own music so a fair test ... Like I said I felt my modded hd25's sounded better... More bass, clearer mids and treble. Didn't feel the soundstage was really any wider on the dt770's but that maybe because I'm using deeper pads on my hd25's... I want to hear the dt770s in a quiet place with no background noise to really test them next time
@XOX the 990s were valor which I realise won't isolate as well as leather... Leather will also give more bass.. Also the valors could have been quite worn which would also change the sound characteristics.. My pads on my hd25 are yaxi leather.. They're almost over ear in size an quite a lot bigger than the originals. Hd25's are designed to keep sound out without the extra sound deadening I've done to the back of the cups. I was in a loud shop and tested them against my hd25's and if any different it wasnt a night and day difference in terms of isolation. In fact isolation wasn't the issue I had regardless. I just didn't think they sounded any better or even as good. I'm still looking at them or the 990's though as they both get good reviews and will be for home use.
Thank you man! One of the best reviews on RUclips
Great video. Tons of detail. I searched your channel, I really was hoping to see you have a review of the M40X, as I think for monitoring that may be an even better comparison to the DDT
Great video! Really great! Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.
Is dt 770 the same as dt 990 ?? Only difference being open for 990 (more soundstage) and closed for 770 (more immersion etc)
Yeah but thats already a pretty big difference...
A few months ago i bought the 770 pro 80ohm and im loving them. Using them for everything - music, movies, all kind of games. Had to buy an AMP tho, you can use them without an amp, directly connected to your PC but the volume is kinda low. With the amp its amazing. Super comfy and the sound stage is great in games.
What amp you get
Nice video. I wish had seen these before purchasing the m50x, the highs are kinda sharp to my ears. But it could be probably cause of my source - Pixel / Fiio X3 1st Gen / Asus S406UA. Also comparing 38ohm m50x with 80ohm dt770 isn't the right one. A better comparison would've been 32ohm dt770 vs m50x :)
I have the DT770s and just got the M50X. The Audio Technicas are a lot more immersive. The 770s are probably more comfortable over time. I think you have to really pump some power into the 770s to be interesting. They are underwhelming at low volume. And I have 80 ohm versions. They are flat but boring.
Hi which in your opinion are better for mixing and tracking? Which is better dt770 pro or m50x? I would be happy to know your opinion!
@@Markisbeatz355 It really depends on your budget. RTINGS lists some HifiMan with 8.7 neutral which is a really high score but I am not about to shell out $500-1200 on headphones and hope I like them. For years I used the humble Sony MDR 7506 and they worked fine with only a 7.9 neutrality score. The Shure SRH 440 only score 7.5 but when I do a side by side with M50X, 770, 280 Pro they sound just fine. Flatter than the Sennheiser 280 Pro in my opinion who they gave 7.7. On the other hand the Superlux 681 have an 8.3 rating at $50, which is what I am using on my computer now. I have a few more coming and will have to decide which ones will be the most used for mixing and recording. As for open back leakage, I don't think studio mikes will pick up enough to be relevant in home recording unless you are in a studio using Neumann U87. I think flatness is numero uno in mixing. You have to know what you are really hearing so you don't overcompensate. I'm still waiting for the Philips and Samson on my list to arrive. I just know they scored very well in neutrality. Hey, so did my Sennheiser 599 and they sounded like mud. Smooth, even comfortable mud. Just one big midrange. The DT770s are also kind of boring. Maybe it's the lack of bass.
@@baronvonlichtenstein Thank you so much for the detailed explanation! Last question, which from your whole list of headphones would you recomend me as a beginner music producer?
@@baronvonlichtenstein Ok thank a lot! Have you ever tried akg k702 just asking?
@@Markisbeatz355 I made a chart: www.querytools.net/Images/HeadphoneNeutrality.jpg
Nice review, Adam. I was looking at picking up a set of studio monitor headphones, so seeing this in my recommended as I finished watching your review of the Infinite Painter app this morning was perfect! I'm curious which headset you decided to keep. I'm still on the fence. That said, I have a Beyer Dynamic stage mic that sounds as good today as it did when I bought it new in 1988 and it's still the best mic I've ever owned. I realize I just dated myself, but oh well. lol.
The more I delve into the world of sound the more I see Beyerdynamic 80s. Got convinced when I saw a music guy I really respect on youtube wearing them on his head (had already done a ton of research on them beforehand), so I made the jump and bought them. Been happy with them ever since. I am extremely nervous about the cable, though, and it was the one reservation I had about the product. I baby that cable.