beyerdynamic DT770 DT880 DT990 Pro and Premium Group Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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5 years later, still relevant
Shows you how slow Beyer is to attempt to "progress"
@@metal571 all of the manufacturers are the same. They have been making the same units for several years. Very little progress
@@cheesun124 seems like a hard industry to innovate in though. You can shove way better and more expensive tech into these things but it's all going to be diminishing returns. It's the same with guitars where fender will release different editions but fundamentally it's the same as hundred dollar strat but with different wood and hardware. Same would be the case for headphones. You can have different drivers and impedance and build materials but then how would they keep the price manageable
@@QbertTehKiller I agree, I guess the upside is the longevity in a proven product. I also wonder how many of us really care about the sound quality in any case. E.g. recordings are made in .WAV and dumbed down to MP3 anyways
Wouldn't say they're all the same. Just that boutique brands like Audeze and ZMF have become way more popular than they used to be because the Sennheisers and beyerdynamics of the world haven't done anything interesting in years. But also you are definitely right about reliability lol, I don't have to worry about my HD 650 driver going out randomly but you never know with planars
Thanks for the input on the DT770 80ohm versions. I was planning on getting the 250ohm versions but now I'd prefer the elevated mids and the slight reduced treble of the 80ohms.
I just started getting into headphones and have become a huge fan of your videos. I'm glad to hear someone I would consider an audiophile talk about using eq. Digging through a lot of the forums makes it seem eq is the root of all evil. I started with the hd 600 and quickly realized such a neutral sound does not fit me or most of my music tastes. After some money blown on other pairs I ended up happiest with the dt 990 pro 250ohm and a minor eq adjustment of -1db 4k -2db 8k -1db 16k. I couldn't believe how entirely different they sounded. It went from overly bright and fatiguing to
an almost velvety pleasurable sound bringing out so much more detail in the high end while allowing me to more clearly make out the detail on the low end as well. None of the other headphones responded so well to eq and these ended up being the cheapest yet my favorite after eq. Although I am not a fan at all in the build quality. I do have that problem with mashed in cushions or more accurately cushion. The packaging was a poorly done job. I don't know who thought it would be a bright idea to package headphones that have extremely soft cushions in such a way that cardboard is mashing down the left side flat the entire time it is in the box. Left me with one side feeling like it has a 1000 hours on it and the other brand new. My left ear touches the padding over the speaker. Sorry for the long post but I owe the purchase of these partly to you and I'm grateful for your videos. Thanks and keep them coming.
You don't need to apologize for your review at all, its nicety hear a honest assessment.
You deserve a lot more subs. Your mixing is amazing... So many "top youtube reviewers" have sooooo much low end and it sounds awful on any decent pairs of headphones. This is easily the most in-depth review of this line of headphones on the website, even 3 years later. Just overall a great review, and you convinced me to return my 770s for the 880s and I'm so happy with the 880s. Cheers, mate!
Golden God
I have been using 250 ohm DT 880 Pros since 2015 and never found them needing eq. With good recordings they sound well balanced and detailed with superb imaging. They are extremely comfortable and I am often wearing them for hours at a stretch. I don't find them fatiguing either. If you want harsh, uncomfortable, and fatiguing, listen to some Shure SRH 840s, which I also have.
Oh man the 7506 beats the 840 by a mile in terms of harshness. Makes the 880 sound dark. But it is easily verifiable that the classic Beyer driver has a sibilance issue as it's been graphed many, many times by 60318-4 compliant rigs. This problem will also absolutely be lessened if your pads are not brand new so they may sound fine if you've never replaced the EDT990Vs that came stock on them, which flatten with time
My 880 Pros are stellar.
Just returned a pair of DT 1770s because the sound suCked compared to them.
Using them with a Yamaha MGP32X
sound board and Topping A30 hp amp, which sounds beautiful.
Bass is booming on these and I haven’t touched the para eq on the Yamaha. Highs and mids are lovely. Really beautiful sound.
990’s treble is insanely high. I have them and never use them.
The DT 1770s also had a masSive midrange spike and this was brand new and also after I switched pads. Didn’t know a 500$ pair of headphones could sound so poor.
Im a musician... For mixining and mastering the 770 pro are industry standerd and MANY songs we all know the engineers used them...
I got the 990 pro 250o for mixing cause
they are open backs...yes the range is crazy...u can hear every little detail
As u said they do have a little too much treble ... But i really do love them
I do many genres they work awsome for all , for me
Iv only had them a week though
If you are intentionally trying to hear details and need that sibilance boost then yes, but they certainly don't sound like any carefully monitor speakers in a studio to me which I imagine is almost always the primary mixing reference
I found the DT-990 Black edition was the MOST comfortable and most relaxed in treble and sub-bass. One of my favorite headphones actually,
@@MichelandOi I have a really difficult time with the 990 premium edition. my ears are burning after it because of treble peaks and sub bass pressure. Completely different experience with black edition, as I can wear black edition for hours, and it is so smooth. It's almost like two different headphones. The only major thing I noticed is that the 990 premium "looks" more magnificent.
Just here to say I love my DT770 Pro 80 ohm headphones too. They're so comfortable and reliably "good" sounding.
Are they ok for gaming and what about the soundstage, is it decent enough?
@@baboom007 they're comfortable, very nice level response (not bright, just even) and very responsive in those "omg everything's exploding" moments.
They do not have a mic so you may or may not want them for gaming as a result, but for pure audio quality, they're very good.
this channel i cannot live without you actually helped me understand my problems with my sony mdr 7506 and its high frequencies in the 10khz. saving up to get these headphones and watching your channel to really learn. thanks!
You should have so many more subscribers. I love all your reviews and you convinced me to buy some 770 Pros. Thank you!
you are honestly my favorite youtuber, I love your laugh.
Thank you so much for this review. This made it easy for me to know I had chosen the right version.
I mostly agree with your review about the Beyers. I have found, at least on the 880's premium 600's, after burn in the treble subdued a bit or i got use to them. I much prefer my 880's to many of my cans because of the insane resolution. I can hear flees fart. My take is Beyer and distributors are marketing this headphone to everyone for sales; these are not designed for causal listening, but rather for studio editing. My most natural set would be the HE400s which I love but the 880s are awesome and may be my favorite. I am amping the 880’s with a classic 70 amp (Nikko nr 819) which has a tube like , darker sound. Maybe that combination makes it tolerable.
I would agree, the 880s are good for fixing minor errors but for actually doing a final master I'd rather go through the 650s which sound a lot more natural. The HE400S is supposedly excellent and slightly better than the 600/650 but I haven't gotten my hands on one yet.
Your honesty and opinions are why we watch you bro. :)
Have 770/80 ohms. Because of V shape they are perfect for those who listening at low volumes.
You need a Good power amp. With low impedance output. It is important to avoid increase in V shape.
And mids are soo good .
With apoeq lowering 6k 8k and 10+ @ 4dB is enough, for me.
Very "high efficency" ,fast sound, and in seems you are near an 18" subwoofer, oh what a depth with organs,.sound tracks...
You cannot sleep with it, so fast and engaging.
Love it. Give it a listen ! Worth a try.
Exactly
I want a good headphone under 200 usd is 80 ohms 770 , the best?
@@SAMA-ct2li Hard to say, try to listen to it. The fact is that it s a best seller for good reasons. Not best or perfect bit a very strong choice.
There's no best in audio at any price, it's all tradeoffs. If I had to pick one full size closed back at that price it would be a K371
Now I understand why I never agreed with people when they talk about the 770s. I have the 80 ohm version, so I never understood why people said they were extremely v-shaped with no mids and piercing treble since that’s not what mine sound like. They’re my favourite headphones for metal because the mids and highs aren’t fatiguing and the bass is tight and punchy without being boomy and drowning out the guitars like a lot of bass heavy cans. Although I don’t really hear the soundstage people talk about with these, I find them quite narrow. That’s actually one of my only complaints with these (that and the attached wire are all I’d really change about them).
Thank you for the review - very thorough and informative as per usual with the content that you provide. Keep up the great work.
.. and guys you must take care of the hygiene of your DT770 and DT990, remove all hairs from inside of the cups. If not you will end up with a hair in the driver which will manifest with high freq buzz. DT880 do not have this problem as the drivers are protected with thick felt.
Yes! Very common problem.
This is good advice for those of you who still have hair 😌
Amazing video! Just bought the 990 pro and tbh I'm really dissappointed by them.. I just get a headache from the first "s" sound I hear. It just pierces sooo damn hard. On the other hand, the imaging (as you said in de video) is soo nice and I love the open back feeling. Also the mid frequencies seem to be missing by a ton. Glad you said that the 880's have more mids. Definitely gonna return them though and try out the 880's. Hope they'll be better 😬
I was looking for a headphone with good bass to replace a VERY UNCOMFORTABLE Yamaha HPH 500 Pro, i bought a DT770 80 ohms, after having watch this review and i'm completly delighted. Thanks for this review, this help me a lot to make a very good buy :)
+Kévin Monrose good glad you enjoy them as much as I did. I actually did a whole separate review on the 770 80 ohm just cause I liked it so much lol
i appreciate the honest review. great video. satisfied owner of a pair of DT770s 250 ohm but can agree on multiple points
Hi metal, I've been watching your reviews and really enjoying the information you provide! I recently bought the 32 ohm DT 770 Pro (with velours), replacing my M50x which became uncomfortable to me. When I first got them I had the same reservations...they were so bright and sibilant I felt I'd made the wrong purchase and considered returning them, but I was determined to like them, as I loved the bass and detail. I can happily say, one month later, the treble has really calmed down quite a bit. In fact I think their bass and treble combined make them quite neutral, or depending on the recording they can exhibit both brightness and warmth so they're fairly accurate I'd say. Bass isn't too much unless the recording calls for it. Sibilance is only present on a handful of tracks where the mastering probably highlights it, and as of right now that's my only complaint with the sound but it's not nearly as bad as it was when I first listened to them. I went with these over the 598CS, my other choice. In fact when I went back and listened to the M50x after using the Beyer's for three weeks I was like "I can't believe I liked these so much" lol. Not that they're bad but these seem to be in another league, and they're priced around the same.
One thing you mentioned is that the 80 ohm version has more mids than the 250 ohm, but I've read the contrary? Either way thanks again for your review! One closed back I'd like to try someday is the PM-3 :)
See my comment on the 80 ohm review for an update. If you can deal with the wild treble of the 770 it has awesome detail and soundstage for a closed headphone, in the end, regardless of which impedance you choose
I found it hard to tolerate at first, since coming off the M50's which have a darker signature, but now these don't seem nearly as bright as they did out of the box. The treble is extended nicely and now it never gets too harsh, only close on very bright masterings, at least in my opinion. I can now turn these up louder without the treble killing my ears, before I had to keep it down lol. I also think the leather pads on the 32 ohms add a little bass/reduce a little treble but I have the velour ones. I did read your new comment on the 80 ohm. It seems they changed them to sound closer to the other versions but I've also read about manufacturing variances between sets
Yeah Beyer has suffered from variation from unit to unit for a while, each unit is slightly different sometimes
I have also 32ohm dt770 ale they are delivering great sound and it is nice for normal people listening :-) it trains your ears
My first pair of HiFi headphones was a pair of DT880 because I game alot on top of listening to music, and I hated them. I try so hard to like them, and I still hate them.
I am glad I am not the only one. Thanks for the video.
Edit: BTW, there is very little difference between the 32, 250, and 600 ohm headphones on the DT880. They are all very similar on sound regardless of popular opinion.
I love the 990s. I have a small head so I dont have fitment problems. Best headphones I ever owned. Use them for music and gaming. For the price you cant go wrong.
I actually enjoy hearing about these wearing issues (also with respect to your new HD800 review, where you talk about much more expensive cans) - that makrs me less insexure about my struggle with my CIEM fit. My right ear canal is slightly wonky shaped so that the positioning is slightly less stable (not a mold issue at all, the form of the canal and concha makes them slide in and out more easily) and I have struggled a lot with it. Thought about buying headphones although I absolutely love CIEMs for a multitude of reasons. (I own Limr Ears Aether R - you would enjoy them, a near field / harman-ish tuning that is slightly on the bright side, but not by treble weight but rather through a very vibrant upper midrange which is bone dry, blazing fast and super smooth. Of course, the general timbre of the other bands follow suit.)
Cool videos, keep up the good work, man! :)
Interesting point about the flattening of the pads effecting the sound. Hadn’t thought about that but makes total sense.
This is now measurable and measured by oratory1990. For example he has a DT 770 graph for old and new pads so you can see the effect
I recently bought the DT 990 Pro 250 ohm and I’m actually impressed with the sound. I agree the treble is sharper than my HD 6XX but the pay off is in detail. My hearing cuts off at about 13 KHz so I think this type of sound suits me better. One thing I’m not so impressed with is the build quality. I found the pros to be a little cheap feeling. Comfort is good but I have to fully extend them to go around my giant melon ( I don’t for my sennheisers). They were $169 CAD so at that price, a good purchase but I wouldn’t recommend them at a higher price.
Damn, prices on those have really been coming down. That's a good deal.
Ofcourse 10 minutes after you make a decision and bought on of them you find the most informative video.
Lol tends to happen that way
My god.. Your voice really sounds premium through the Koss! :) You have an A-plus microphone!
Funny because I've actually thought about upgrading since I actually hear some hiss from it in really really quiet environments. But it's not noticeable when my PC is next to me. It's an AKG P220 XLR condenser mic, professional grade stuff. If people are going to be listening to me talk about audiophile headphones, I better get a mic that sounds gorgeous, naturally.
I can´t hear any hiss at all, and it's the best sound out of all the youtube channels I've ever listened to. It's really close and personal.
It was even closer on earlier videos but it sounded a little too radio like so I moved it back to capture some more room ambience. But I know... I sometimes just monitor it and talk into it just for fun cause it makes everyone sound like a radio host if you get really close in.
I think it's that radio sound that makes it enjoyable to listen to.
Sorry for the long comment, my interest for quality sounding audio is relatively new so there may be some terminology mistakes, but I will tell you what I heard. I had the opportunity to try out the DT 770 PRO 32 ohm and DT 990 Edition 32 ohm variants at a local store that mainly sells studio and professional equipment but they also have an "audiophile" room. I wanted the 32 ohm variants because I wanted some portability, and secondly I wanted beyerdynamic because I value detail and the price of 160 euros seems nice. First the DT 770 PRO sounded too sharp, so sharp that my head started to hurt, while the DT 990 edition had pleasant treble. I am 25 years old, so I think I am not desensitized to highs. I did try to drive them of my iPhone 8 Plus and they sounded dead, averagely detailed, unremarkable. Even my shitty 60 euro, 5 year old Kenwood IEMs sounded better. I asked for an amp, because none of the reviews I watched and read described them as boring, so I assumed the reason for the poor sound was the phone. They plugged them into a speaker amp, could have been from NAD and also something else (sorry I'm new to this, but I will ask about the setup next time). Needless to say the difference was night and day. I was listening to a modern blues song (don't know the name), and everything in it sounded right to me, very clear, detailed, highs were pleasant, bass was sharp sounding, if that makes sense, detailed, clear, not muddy, pretty deep tho not extremely deep. Soundstage was wide. I can't comment on imaging, I did listen to one song and maybe didn't pay attention to that. Mids I can't recall because I was focused to hear if the highs would be piercing and if they would sound very detailed as most reviewers claim, however they weren't overly recessed as I later read some reviews stating. When I heard the DT 990 250 ohm PRO, I noticed they were slightly more detailed and highs were more pronounced, maybe due to stronger clamping force. The DT 770 PRO 32 ohm sounded better, highs were a bit less pronounced than they were through the phone, but still too much for my taste, and the clamping force was uncomfortable, while the DT 990 editions clamping force was so weak I thought they would fall of if I made a sharp turn. So I came to a conclusion that all these variances in revewiers conclusions are due to the headphones being used on different amps, different sensitivity to highs due to age mostly and different size of head and shape of ears. It's best to try them out yourself. After trying out these headphones I saw Z Reviews testing the DT 880 Ed 600 ohm with a speaker amp and he was very impressed, so I thought to my self maybe speaker amps are better for headphones? Also have you had the chance to try out the Sennheiser HD 560S? Thanks for all the video reviews, I hope you come back some day, if not on youtube than maybe a written review somewhere :)
Isn't it amazing how differently folks hear things? I had the 770/80 and found the bass overbearing and the mids were totally missing. I found the 880 Pro 250 to maintain the best balance. Never heard the 990, but did have the 880/600 which seemed too sibilant in the highs.
I got my dt 770 pro partially based on your reviews. Very happy with the beyeyrdynamic brand. My only complaint would be that the cord is so long... It makes casual listening difficult. That said when I use it for recording and online lessons it is a blessing...
I use a velcro wrap to coil it up and secure it
Just mod them
thx for the quick reply.. Im actually checking out your review from Jan. on the ATH-M50x right now... those are generally opposite of what I'm currently interested in.. but still kool.. I'll check out your recommendations as well. Thx again !!
+Emilio Muniz M50x is pretty much awful for what you're looking for. A close second to the HD 800 for much cheaper would be the HD 600 also with EQ
"Shoots that treble at you like a weapon." LOL, I almost spit out my coffee laughing! I'm listening with my AKG K240 Sextetts w/ Brainwavz pads. I love your to-the-point, no-nonsense videos and learned a lot from you--I definitely favor non-bright sounding, diffuse-field targeted headphones.
Nowadays I lean more towards the Harman response side of things, such as Audeze's house sound with some boost below 150 Hz. Got kind of tired of dealing with Beyers personally. They're very well performing headphones generally but not to my taste at all anymore
Ooh, I'll check out your Audeze reviews then to learn about that type of sound sig. Based on my adoration of the Sextett, I just bought the K240 DF to see the difference without the six passive drivers. Audeze is a bit past my budget, but I would like to try the Beyer DT 1990 Pro in the future, and maybe a used HD 800 (and apply the Super Dupont mod) in the far future. For now though, the vintage AKGs with my modded out Bottlehead Crack are completely nourishing and rejuvenating. :)
The DT770 250 ohm can be harsh in the treble like you said but I find that when I turn the headphone way down, the treble becomes revealing instead of annoying. The treble is like a reminder mark for me. If the treble gets really spiky to me, that is a sign I need to turn my headphone down to a more ear comforting level. If you pass that level even in the slightest, the treble gets spiky. This is a good thing for people who do mixing/mastering in general. You are not suppose to mix with your headphones or monitors cranked up anyway and just incase you don't remember that, that spike in the treble will alarm you. What I don't like is that because of this, I only see this headphone as useful for mixing. When I want to party or do some casual listening, I can't really do that with these because if I do, the treble spikes up. For headphones to be so damn comfortable, that's a shame.
+Amir Grant Actually you are supposed to listen at 85 dB from what I've read for mixing. The treble is inherently inaccurate in these and there's better stuff out there for mixing
+metal571 Knowing what your equipment sounds like is key. I was just reading about how a mix engineer mixes with sony 7506's only when he's on the road and still manages to nail his mixes according to the mastering engineers he sent his mix to. Stunning, isn't it? People think that they need the flattest sounding everything to have a great mix when in fact, that isn't the case. It all comes down to do you know what you are doing and are familiar with what you have or not.
Amir Grant That will still leave you with only a general idea of the mix though, since you're lacking the resolution and soundstage of better headphones
+metal571 Question. How did you get so good at eq and being able to hear and pinpoint different frequencies? I mean, I can do that to a certain degree but I'm nowhere near as good as you with that.
+Amir Grant By the way, sorry for the confusion. Yes, you are right. Your headphone volume is suppose to be higher when you mix but the actual mix and tracks in the mixes should be cut down considerably low because if the tracks or actual mix are too cranked up, the mix will become messed up due to clipping and other various issues.
Mastering makes your entire track louder and clearer through compression, limiting (which is really just super hard compression), eq and more.
So in other words, what I'm saying is if you have your headphone volume at 85%, your mix isn't suppose to be blasting still. The reason for the higher headphone level is because of the lower track levels from what I understand.
I think the 770 Sound great and the 990s I don't think they are harsh at all so to each their own I guess
The DT880 premium with alpha pads(by mrspeakers) provides better isolation/comfort/bass, and there's no need to EQ that much after as well. -I want to test it with the Brainwavz hybrid pads if I ever get around to ordering it.- The brainwavz fit on this headphone, just took alot of careful stretching. The sound is very similar to the stock pads with these hybrid pads.
dt770 80oms my favorite
thank you for the review. I wish you could share with us your own eq with these headphones as well.
Oratory1990 has some pretty useful presets for the DT 770 whether it is with new pads or worn pads, which also affects the measurements
Little trivia. Some of them or all share the same drivers (same manufacturer's part). The difference in sound comes from tuning drivers with felt on both sides and with the different cups of course.
Semi open is silly nomenclature for marketing, DT880 are open. I would rather call DT770 semi open as they have quite big vents on the edge of cups which improve bass quality a lot.
If amped properly with high power amp they all tend to sound very similar in the same ohmage. If used with a weak solid state headphone amp, which means any really, they will sound more different.
The clamp strength of Pro vs Premium is anybody's guess. The strongest clamp I ever had was from DT990 600ohm Premium and still is after 8 years of use. The lightest from DT880 600ohm Premium.
DT990 Pro have different, shallower cups and therefore less of the soundstage and comfort suffers too so recommend buying Premium guys.
I also tried a DT770 Premium from before it was discontinued. The low clamp force of the Premium vs the Pro models applies only the the DT880 and DT990, it would seem.
I am very perplexed about my DT-990 premiums. I own the 770pro (80), 880premium (250), 990pro limited black (250), and the 990 premium (250). The 990pro I got used, the 700 new, the 880 open box (probably used but like new), and the 990 premiums were like unknown but likely return stock. The 990 premium have extremely bloated overwhelming bass, WAY more than all the others, to a degree that is almost inacceptable that bleeds over and almost covers the mids. All the others have a much more similar sound signature (albeit noticable in their differences, not even close to how different the 990 prem are from them.). I also note that I have to turn the volume way down on them because they are so loud (interesting the 770 and the other two are at the same volume setting, even though they are lower Ohms, yet the 990 prem are supposedly the same at the other two.). I also notice the amount of noise floor is far worse on the 990 premiums. Any noisey amp is far more obvious with them producing far more hiss than all the others. Is there something wrong with these, because it really doesn't make sense?
I'm glad I saw this review! I use my 770 pros primarily for recording and mixing at my home studio and I bought them because over the years whenever someone had beyers in a studio, it seemed like I had an easier time playing in tune... Probably due to the extreme amount of high end information... Still considering trying to find a second hand pair of 770 premiums because the closed back is essential for tracking...But I'm a little concerned the high end might be overwhelming, or that the looser grip might mean less isolation... Do you think the 770 premiums would be a good recording headphone? I have those shure's too btw, they sound great but mine make too much plastic noise if I move at all while recording sensitive material...
990 pro (120 ohms) or 770 pro (32 ohms) for someone that loves all kinds of music (loads of 60-90s) music and that also want to use them to play games?
Well, this is 6 months late, but maybe it'll help someone else out if they happen to read your question:
The 32 Ohm version is the best option for all around use (listening on an mp3 device like an iPhone or Galaxy phone, gaming, general music listening, etc.). I won't go into the sound quality differences because I'm not really qualified due to not owning a preamp, which would make the 80 ohm _likely_ the better option. If you don't have a preamp, I'd go with the 32 ohm, and if you have a preamp skip over the 80 ohm and go for the 250 ohm. Once you start going above the 30-80 ohm range, the headphones are almost unusable on anything without a preamp. The 250 ohm DT770s are SUPER QUIET at 100% volume on any mobile device or any device without a DAC/preamp.
I own a pair of high end Canton speakers from Germany, they love their highest end detail for sure, they also expect you to be using all warm tube amps
Like a 20k McIntosh!!!!!!
I have on my desk right now tygr 300r, 770 (250), 880 (600), and 990 (600). 880 has been my go to for the last few months using oratory1990 eq. 990 i quite like but what im gaining in a little more openness and detail im losing out in bass from 880. will have to keep listening to see. also he6se is my new endgame, that much is decided
Re: the highs. Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads (the "angled" ones for Fostex / Dekoni Blue) bring the highs down in a great way on these Beyerdynamics. I didn't like these pads for their intended purpose, but they saved my DT990 Pro (250 Ohm) from going on eBay. It's like putting a hot pair of B&Ws into a treated room. Keeps the detail but the shrill is gone, so to speak. (The effect might be *too* dark for some...)
you got a link to this?
I think Dekoni posts relative graphs on their own website that should show this effect
What is better, dt990 pro 250ohm or dt990 premium 250 ohm in soundstage and details?
Just purchased the MOTU M4 AI. MOTU says the unit can cover all ohm ranges up to 250 without amp/dac.
My question is which would you prefer for home recording/mixing of guitar, vocals, bass, drums?
Love your reviews and thank you for your time!!! 🤟🏼
I was looking at the BD 770 80 or 250 mostly but I’m open to whatever you think.
DT770 80ohms, 250ohms and DT990s. Which one do u recommend personally for mixing ? Please Help
Nice video! It helps me a lot of choosing from these headphones.
What would be the most neutral(very important) open and then closed low impedance headphones without equalization under $250. I know that some prefer HD600/650 .Any other choices I may consider?
770pro 80ohm. The best closed back I have ever owned.
I still have one now
If you want heavy base headphones get the ath m40x of Audio Technica (especialy good for Metallica and the like music styles)
These ones as i see it they are not high fidelity headphones but rather high INfidelity ones as they produce an altered sound outcome. If you want precision get the m40x. But there is a secret quality on the 880s 600 ohm that i recently discovered. Despite the fact they are sounding inaccurate (tunewise) they are very fun and interesting to listen to and quite relaxing soundwise. For me my top 3 are the M40x , this one, and the sennheiser 698. All 3 offer diversing sounding experience yet all very interesting. Old ago i had the impression that the best sound is the completely accurate sound but after i made a hearing with the 880 premiums and the Sennheiser 698s i realised that although very differend sounding compaired to m40x they were giving me a very pleasant listening so i recomend them to all but you got to also try the m40x first cause the m40x gives the real sound. The bayer 880 is for the fun to listen.
PS avoid 770s and 990s . The good 880 are is named 880 premium (so not the pros. Avoid the pros). And the ohm versions matter. The 600ohm is the best. The others not so much, so the 880s premium 600ohm have the most personality of the bayerdynamic trio. The 770 seemed lackbuster to me and the 990s somehow try to be many things but lose in personality. So give a try to 880s. These were my 2 cents.
Thanks for this. I owned the 770 80 ohm pros for a year. I've decided to switch to a semi open back. I noticed the closed back is not ideal for long time use. Have 880 premium edition 600 ohm coming tomorrow. I started getting ringing in my ears after taking the 770s off after long use. No extreme sound levels either. I'm hoping a semi open back will relieve this.
It might, but Beyers are notoriously sibilance heavy which could certainly cause hearing damage at higher volumes so you might want to consider moving to something like a 6XX for longer term listening
@@metal571 is there a way to adjust this in eq?
@@feedmeink2928 yeah by bringing down 6 kHz
@@metal571 thanks for the response. Appreciate your perspective
Love the reviews.
Which headphone would you recommend under 300 for mostly metal listening? I own a set of Denon D5000 now and like them a lot. Would probably use a Schiit stack for amp and DAC.
TIA
+William Kayal probably those 80 ohm DT770s in particular
metal571 will give them a listen. Thanks sir
Fast forward to February 2020. What are today's real alternatives to the DT770 250 Ohm for about the same prize and same form factor (50mm driver Over-ear)? I am still at a loss for an answer.
I use the K371 now. Reviewed it also
@@metal571 Just got the K371 but have yet to put it through the paces. Hopefully it has the >slam< of the DT770s. Those things when taken to the edge of volume can be a real Brutus sometimes. Maybe the K371 will be Popeye.
@@metal571 How about the Akg K553 II?
@@chacmool2581 talked about that in my K371 review I believe
Thank you for your review. Can you compare the sound stage of dt990 pro and dt770 pro, what will you give out of 10? Also which headphone is more fatiguing?
As a user with glasses, would you suggest the 880 pro or premium? I’m interested in either and the only thing stopping me from deciding is the clamping force. Is it too much on the pros? Or is it too little on the premiums? Thanks man!
great video, btw what do you think about DT250 , many say that they are more flat sounding than any of higher models
+Dave Maverick haven't heard it yet
Specifically for gaming and pinpointing positions like footsteps which is best? What ohms?
@metal571 Hi thanks for taking the time to make these videos. Ive read through a lot the comments of your videos and a lot of people ask the same questions so i apologize in advance if I'm doing the same thing. I am a mix / mastering engineer working with Hip Hop & EDM, i am considering buying the DT 880 (for full frequency range) and the Beyer custom studios (for low end options and the replacement cable). Today i came across you review of the DT 1990 and i felt i could just get one pair instead of the two but its still a bit pricey and this evening i saw you highly recommend the AKG 553. Could you help me out please and give your current opinion. Thanks in advance.
I think the most accurate sound is going to come out of the 553
metal571 wow thanks. You are potentially saving me a lot of money. So Beyer in your opinion just have better sound stage?
Hello, I own a pair of 600Ohm DT880 premium. To me, for the price, they sound really good. They are not shining particular in a specific area\genre, but are more versatile, a all around set of headphones. they might not be the most fun, especially not in more bass dependent music. The treble is a little sharp, thin and tinny only to the point that i notice it when I try to. over all soothing fine piece of equipment for home listening. Ps. Imo (Note: have not listen to that many headphones above the 300$ price range.)
Question: If i like the signature, responsiveness etc. of the 880's, would you recommend the T1?
Thank you.
+Peter Sung most likely. I found the 600 ohm 880 overly bright, clinical, and sibilant
I am looking for a good pair (first pair) of closed back headphones that I can use for mobile applications sometimes (plane, walks, bike, ski). Recently I tried the 32 ohm version of the dt770s and am finding the highs are really piercing, but love the bass and the mids are good with a lot of music I listen to. They seem to be really efficient, 20ish% volume for me is good for most tracks right from my phone. Wondering if it would be worth trying the 80 ohm to see if they're not as harsh like what you were saying about the 250 ohm? I plan on getting the hd600s with a dac/amp when the time comes haha
If you're listening that low the 80 ohm would be worth trying except that it has a much longer cable so that's not quite suited for what you're trying to use it for. Unless you're okay with bundling it up a bit - yes the 32 and 250 ohm DT770s have much more treble. Even I was okay with the 80 ohm treble levels, and I'm used to my HD 600 so that's all you really have to know there.
how's the DT990 for your glasses/ spectacles. Sorry if you've said it in the video but it's too long for me to concentrate through since I already know the sound signature and stuff but you are the first few reviewers I see with glasses.
+NICOMAKI DOTA 2 honestly never had much of a problem with any headphones and glasses but the Beyers definitely are fine because they are softly padded in velour
nice review but what headphones are you using here? obviously you prefer them over all the three of beyerdynamics :)
SRH440
As a user of DT880 pro for 10 years straight I do not quite agree with that "excessive treble" As a matter of fact, "good imaging" you're talking about is due to that extra treble. I'd personally rather eq some of the treble if it's annoying, rather than having to increase it as with some other cans. I don't think it's fair to put down all three models throughout your review as this treble problem can be easily tamed.. During those 10 years of usage only 1 pair of pads and 1 driver were replaced. You should also look at Longevity as it is also very important factor when purchasing a product. I must add that the original "leatherette" pads were much more comfortable than the replacement velour type.
+Caesar Kay leatherette pads? On a DT880? Also even if I can, I don't want to EQ the treble down by 12 dB on any headphone. There's something much more wrong with the sound at that point than is worth equalizing for, and that's what I had to do with my 600 ohm before promptly selling it.
@metal571
I am interested in the DT990 pro. what did you use to EQ the headphones? I will be running these off my pc, maybe an amp later.
+metalmckanical I use EqualizerAPO
I'm caught between the DT770's and the the AD700x's right now. I'm honestly just buying these for music listening and an assload of gaming on the side. Have you had experience with the aforementioned Audio technicas? Would love to hear your opinion!
I'm aware theres a huge difference between the closed and open style behind the headphones, though for my needs I'm really torn because I've experienced the immersion of open ear on games before... With many reviewers raving about the beauty of the bass in the DT770's I can't come to a proper conclusion haha.
Cheers.
+Horc there's also a massive difference in sound signature. I haven't heard the 700 but the 900 I do own and it comes down to, would like you a slightly larger soundstage than the 770s and absolutely no bass whatsoever, or would you like too much bass and a slightly smaller soundstage
I dunno if you have a pair of DT 880s these days, but did you ever find a decent alternative pair of earpads for them? I do find your ears get too close to the driver and can be uncomfortable.
Great review! I wonder if Fiio Q3 would be enough for DT 770 80 Ohm
Leaning towards buying the DT990 pro. Alot of people say that the mids are recessed abit. Does that mean that its hard to make out what the singers are singing ? Or is it like the singers are pushed back in the music but still able to hear and make out the words the singers are singing ? After EQ does sss sounds in music get better or still the same ? Hope someone who have bought these can shed some light.
Come back please!!!!
I was about to buy a 770 Pro 80, as per your 12/14 positive review of them - but in a later review you say you sold them on because you got tired of the bass pounding. As a amateur recordist of acoustic classical music, which other headphones should I consider for post production ( eq, reverb, compression eliminating key drops, sneezes etc ). ?
K553
Is sibilance a playback problem or a recording problem? It seems that a good pair of headphones will replicate any sibilance that is already there in the recordings. If it compensates for it, something is wrong with the cans.
Which beyerdynamic headphone would be best for playing a digital piano? I just bought a Yamaha P125 and would like a set of headphones for playing at night. Also, if needed, what audio interface/amp would be recommended?
have the DT990 Pro 250 Ohm version and the 600 Ohm versions. At some point they both started to crackle on high bass.
Would that likely still be the case if I upgrade to a DT 1990? I also have the Sennheiser 660s and the T1 2nd Gen in mind. Or should I be looking at something else altogether?
My budget is $1000.
Oh…and I’m buying this primarily for action and sci-fi movies.
Thanks!!
Finally someone with the same problem as me FFS! What you say in between 11:50 to 12:05 is the exact problem I am having. My left ear keeps touching the inside of the headphone and it causes so much pain, unbearable really. I have the DT770 32 Ohms by the way.
Do you have any recommendation as an alternative? I like the sound sig of the cans really, I like a bit of bright sound but the comfort with the cans are downright terrible.
I'm sort of torn between the DT770 and the DT990. I currently have the ATH-M50x, Sennheiser HD598SE, ATH AD-700, and the ATH-A900X. By far my favorite out of all of these is the 598, but I feel like there is a lack of slam with the bass...I listen to mostly melodic dubstep and some alternative, so I'm not sure which to get. I guess I want something like the HD598s, but with much more bass presence and harder-hitting low end for those great dubstep drops/fighter jet flyovers in video games. So, would you recommend a 770 or a 990? Thanks! (oh and open-backed or not doesn't matter to me)
+NobleNoob4Life HD 380 or DT770 80 ohm. The former I'm working on a review for and fills in the sub bass extremely well.
Nice review :D
The tonal balance of the DT990 is way off the mark IMO. Those highs are overblown to sh*t and the mids are very distant/thin. DT880 is definitely more balanced, but still too thin and bright to sound natural. I think Beyer DT150 blows the DT7/8/900 line in tonal balance and overall sound quality. Among open backs in that price range, Senn HD600 and ATH-R70x also blow the DT990 and 880 away in sound balance and naturalness. Just my 2 cents - I know everyone has different preferences. DT880 is not bad at all though and has really well extended, clear highs. It's just not really natural sounding and not a good all-arounder IMO. I would perhaps use it for some music genres as a secondary headphone to something more natural and great all around like HD600, r70x or DT150.
We hear quite similarly. Thanks for all your impressions, now I don't sound so crazy.
lol No problem. I have never really posted on RUclips before actually. Maybe made a couple comments in the past 3 years... However, I've been an audiophile for 10 years - well mostly a "headphile" I guess since I mostly listen to headphones - and I decided that it's finally time to support my favorite RUclips channels. Yours is definitely one of my favorite channels for headphone reviews. :) Also, I thought it would be nice to share my impressions and experience as well.
I've been a member of Head-fi since 2007 BTW. Used to post quite a lot there.
If you put black pads on the DT990's will they be exactly the same as the limited edition? Or that painted grey by the open back
I own a pair of the 880's and am thinking about getting the T1-2nd. I am using a Beyerdynamic A-20 amp. I am planning to get the questyle CMA 800 R amp(s). Is it worth stepping up to the T1's and have you heard the amp and have an opinion. My end game is the Abyss 1266 Phi. Thanks
Amazing review :)
I need help- I need to decide between the DT770 32 ohm, 80 ohm, or the DT880 32 ohm version.
My main use for the headphones will be for gaming on the ps4, listening to music on my phone (will a phone dac drive the 80 ohm version?)
Please help me out. I need an honest opinion! And thank you in advance!!
Wendy Slater Ditto I need the same info, but I will be using them for my digital piano.
I wouldn't buy any of these because the 32 ohm version is a pretty watered down version of the sound the higher impedance versions have. I'd choose a different headphone
metal571 Thanks so much for the fast reply what closed back headphone under $250 would you choose for a digital piano and ps4.
Nice review! Still struggling between between DT770 80 vs 250 ohms. I'm leaning towards having the 250s because I like clear, natural-sounding headphones but hate the idea of needing to use an amp all the time. At the same time, I'm dreading the bass of the 80s will be too much for my liking or might make me feel sick of it eventually. (I listen to all music types)
I've read your comments months ago that you already have the 250s and wrote that it is the best sounding among the DT770 line. You wrote also recently that you regret selling your 80s (after being sick about the bass). Knowing that you used and abused them both I'm just curious what made you change your mind? Not much of a difference between the 80s?? Tired of being dependent to an amp? or just plain preference? Hope you clear this up. Thanks!
+evilbollweevil1 both have a lot of bass, but the 80 ohm has even more. But the 80 ohm lacks the painful treble of the 250 ohm, which is why I regret selling it. A better option if you don't want too much bass but can always add more later with EQ would be the A900X. You lose some soundstaging ability with it though.
+metal571 Thanks! I'll check that one out. I wish there is a Guitar Center near our place so I can try them both and finally make a decision. Will I be missing a lot if I get the 80s? Thanks again! I just want the perspective of a person who was able to listen to both of them, instead of someone who just used one.
evilbollweevil1 no way, I'd get the 80s for sure over the 250. The treble is just way too carried away on the 250s for most people
+metal571 Cool! I'm sold. I have the Senn HD280 pro & I love them. I've read some reviews that if someone likes the sound of HD280s that they're surely going to like the sound of the 80s as well. Looking forward to a great listening experience with the 80s. Thanks a bunch! You're the man!
+evilbollweevil1 haha that's a huuuge upgrade. Have fun
Have you heard the more recent 32 ohm version of the 770, which has pleather pads and are based off some limited edition model? Apparently they have even boomier bass, but the mids are more forward, smoother treble and deeper soundstage. Absolutely absurd that there's so many different versions of this headphone...
+jotunblod lol I agree there are way too many editions, haven't heard that one yet
I wonder how the DTs compare to the Audio Technica A series (A700x, A500x, etc.) rather than the M50x, etc.
Do you recommend Nobsound Little Bear P2 for DT990 Pro,or some other budget tube amp?
what are some good closedback headphones for rock/metal, as well as some that are good for jazz/blues/classical? I ask for closed back because I haave a few open backs that I use for listening at home, but I want something to take with me when I'm on the go and just have my phone with some high bitrate mp3s/flac files loaded up on it, I would prefer if they are something that don't require an amp if possible, and I would like to keep them under $200 if possible I've found that the DT 990s are also good for stealth games as the do pickup on footsteps and positioning of enemies quite well, thus you know if it's safe to go down a hallway, or snake past a certain door/window/opening as you can tell be the footsteps if their back is turned to you or not.
Hi all,I just bought Blasterx ae-5 it can handle max 600ohm,can you please recommend for gaming headphones,I am looking right now for beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250ohm... Thank you :)
Hello .. can you help me with this ?
2 options
1 - Dt 990 premium 600ohm
2 - Dt 880 premium 600 ohm
which one is better ? just for... Gaming / Movies and Music
Another question what amp are good for 600 ohms ?
What headphones can you reccomend to me i have superlux hd 681 and it is so flat i want more bass. I play cs go listen rap/ hip-hop and watch movies a lot.
I bought dt 770 80 ohm and they sooooooooooooooooooooooo comfortable and sounds good
Hey mate. I really value your opinion and just recently bought a AKG 371 and DT990 Pro for cheap. I use the AKG K371 for base heavy music and DT990 for everything else. Do you still have the DT990 Pro EQ settings saved somewhere? Its my first time using an EQ and really need some pointers and a point to start from.
I never equalized a DT990 because it's so damn bright that for me it's not even worth using when other options exist. Would need probably some 10 dB filters to cut out all the ridiculous sibilance
@@metal571 You were so right. I got the DT 990s and the AKGs for cheap, but the DT990 are hard to control and frankly hard to tolerate compared to what I had before. Im currently in the process of selling them again after not even a week. The AKGs are great though :)
The more headphones I listen to, the less disagreement I have with metal571. Should we register a trademark for metal's impressive smile?
You're supposed to say I'm wrong and deaf and that what you own is automatically the best thing ever made lol
Hi there! Are the DT220 250 ohms better for high quality sound at a lower volume? I need booth headphones for vocal recording but have sensitive ears.
"Hello fly" make me laugh hehe. Like the review.
Great video, I was thinking about getting DT800 but I need a pair of closed cans ,I have Takstar pro80 and I'm looking for a better sounding closed upgrade (mostly I want better mids and a bit less of treble) . I'm thinking about:
Sennheiser momentum 2.0 // really looking into these
Meze 99 Neo
SoundMagic HP150
Shure SRH840
Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7
Which one would be the best sounding upgrade for desktop use. I listen to a lot of slow electronic music with slow bass, chill instrumental music with a lot of vocals and alternative/classic rock. Which ones would you recommend?
TH-X00 check out my review of those
I'm, a student from EU to import TH-X00 it would cost me 500€ (Minimal wage here), at the moment I can't spend much money on headphones. Thanks for the reply, I've been looking for a pair off headphones for 2 months and your videos really helped me a lot. So what would be the best pick out of my list?
Are you sure the treble on the premium is actually stronger rather than the mids and lows on the pros being stronger because they seal better with the tighter clamp?
Not really. Old video and never compared the two side by side but pad condition and pad compression affected by clamp force are a major factor in FR indeed
@Metal 571. Should I consider getting any of the Beyer-dynamic DT series, from your review they seem to be too bright.
My headphone right now is the Fidelio x2, Sennhiser HD598, V-moda m100, and I have the Forstex massdrop Thx00. What do you think.
As I said the DT770 80 ohm is the only one I recommend. If you're looking for a powerful bass headphone with decent isolation and godly comfort without the sharp treble of the rest of the impedances of headphones I mentioned in this video that's one to try. It's the odd one out despite also being a DT770.
Cool thanks brother