This is the DT880 roundup we needed! So many people have reviewed the 880 but I haven't seen them all compared like this. Great stuff! If I was to get one I'd definitely get the Premium 600ohm just wish the cable was removable. Currently using a AKG K702 for comp FPS and trying to determine my next step. I already have a balanced dual 3.5mm cable so I might pick up the T1 if I see them on sale.
Thank you for this review! I got the DT 880 PRO black editions a few weeks ago because they were on sale. I had no idea when buying them that the sound differed, and it was extremely hard to find info online to that effect. It was pretty clear that the PREMIUM version had a different sound, but even then, nothing set in stone. I listened to them for the first few days I got them and felt that the bass was muddy and overly represented. After seeing the curve you showed in your vid, it really shows that the bass is boosted and the mids recessed quite a bit. I ended up EQing them and WOW what a difference. I dialed back the bass a few db's, upped the mids (still recessed, but I like it that way), and reduced the treble a couple db's as well. They now have ample color in the low end without being boomy, enough midrange to have presence (stock midrange was lacking because of the boosted bass), and enough treble to sparkle but not be overwhelming. Originally, the headphone sounded muddy and tinny. With a bit of EQ they are truly unreal and highlight all the right things without being overly linear. Anyways, if you bought the DT 880 PRO BLACKs expecting the regular 880 sound, please do yourself a favor and EQ them - they will sound better than the regular 880s, and FAR better than the stock, bass-boosted, mid-scooped version that Beyer thought it would be a good idea to role out into a 'studio pro' version.
Just won the pro blacks on ebay for $108 and I was worried about their shortcomings. Good to hear that they EQ well! I suspected that with some EQ (was planning on doing just what you did) they may have better character than the non-blacks. Sweet.
I've asked the support and they said that the sound is completely the same. I haven't tested it but they said that the pads are black but the same material... So is the whole build.
Thank you so much for making this video! I wish that someone had created a video like this when I was hopping from forum to forum to see the differences. I know you’ve definitely helped a lot of people who might see Zeos’s video on the premium 600 ohm. Keep up the good work!
My favorite Beyerdynamic DT-880 is my Beyerdynamic DT-880 (2003). It sound amazing with classical music. It is in my reference rig. It looks much better than any other Beyerdynamic ever built.
I did not watch the entire video, but I wonder what amp you used to measure the 600 ohm version. At 600 ohms I would think that it would have massively different responses with different amplifiers as such a low impedance would cause most amplifiers to suffer at different levels. Never the less, I did find the graph very helpful at seeing what one scenario might be compared to the other models.
My go to headphones for music, gaming and movies are the DT 1990 Pro's with Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads paired with a Soundavo HP-DAC1 dac/amp. The Dekoni Pads(ear pillows) add some nice Bass and smooth out the treble compared to the stock pads
it's been a year since i tried them. i really want to try them again with different pads and maybe an in-line filter. it's on the list for this fall/holiday season. watching for a deal!
Not sure if someome this but. The tygr are actsully a 990 driver. Makes sense with how many people use the 990 for gaming. Its basically a refresh,for the 990.
Love the DT880 250 Ohm Edition I recently purchased. Have had the DT990 250 in the past (needs a cable repair, I broke the plug) and a DT990 32. Have loved all of them, even as a fan of the HD600. I do not find the DT880 as trebly as often claimed, nor the HD600 "too veiled." Both sound relatively "reference" to me, very different indeed, but not worlds apart either. I love the DT990 also. Good for all sorts of music-it is just a hated headphone from a "purist," "it must sound like this" perspective. I am not treble sensitive (love it, frankly, especially when it's extended and well done), so no Beyerdynamic offends me in the least, but also am NOT 85 years old. Hate the ageist connotations that older people cannot enjoy great audio, or that they can't appreciate how "bad" some headphones are. Maybe they like what they like, and you just do not enjoy treble at all? Nothing wrong with these older classics, and as the reviewer stated, a great value (and this 250 Ohm DT880 Edition is really among my best headphones for anything-both the HD600 and DT880 are excellent for "reference" lovers, with their own strengths and peculiarities.)
Great review I just got the TYGR 300 R I have been thinking about getting the silver pads as I have heard they are more comfortable but don’t want to mess with the sound to much thanks for the info
thank you for watching! yeah, i'm going to get the tygr as soon as i can find one and i will report the difference in sound - both with measurements and subjective impressions.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 I had some of the brainwavz XL cooling pads so I tried them on the TYGR destroyed the sound unfortunately because those things are so comfy on my ad700x's
I bought the black edition for monitoring and mixing in the studio. I don’t want a coloured sound just flat response. Anyone with experience using them for this purpose, are they flat enough for one to check if the mix sounds good on cans before mastering? Like, is the soundstage and frequency response representative of the mix you hear on monitors? Guys, if you have never used them for this kind of application please abstain from giving an opinion because it is a very specific use case and I don’t want to get confused.
stage is average at most but comparison is made with more expensive headphones, for example it can compete with Focal Clear with right source, those are legends in price/performance category
But the clamp force is much higher. DT 880 Premium Edition=2,8N, DT880 Pro=3,5N, DT 900 Pro X=5,3N I wish they would make a Edition collection too at the PRO X series.
Great video. Did you do test with the 880 black edition (premium) with silver pads? Does it measure the same as the 880 premium 600ohm (silver aesthetic with silver pads) ??
I have been with Beyerdynamic for a long time and i also own a pair of DT880 Black 250ohm, but this year wanted to test some other cans. Would you consider the HD560S or the HE400SE Planar an upgrade for directional audio depth, compared to the DTs?
Thank you for this video. Amazing information. May I ask you? What headband is more comfortable. On the Black Special Edition or Pro (I do not care about the clamping force). Thank you so much for your reply. Subscribed.
Oh, forgot to mention, I really love the pading on my TYGRs and you can buy the Custom Headband. According to the BD customer support: "should fit, but we cannot say whether it closes completely on the right and left." May I ask you for a big favor? Can you please try the headband from TYGR if it will fit on DT 880 Pro?
Hey there I've been watching countless videos on studio style headphones and I actually came across your channel from inside the r/headphones sub reddit. So props to them for pushing your name out there. I have a few questions that don't pertain to this exact video and I hope you don't mind that. I am looking to buy some headphones but I don't know where or what I should exactly be looking for. The main headphones I've come across are sennheiser 660 s and hifiman sundara + I hear amps/dacs help with the sound quality/make the sound way better. So to my question, which headphones would you recommend mainly for gaming? I will definitely be jamming out with the headphones as well but my main purpose will be gaming. Also if you could recommend an amp / dac that would also be great. oh and my budget is around $ 750 - 1000 If you do catch this comment I do appreciate you taking the time to read!
That's tough between those two specific headphones. The 660s will be better at positional accuracy if it is competitive multiplayer you are looking at. If it's single player, I would anticipate the Sundara being more fun all-rounder, but admittedly I haven't reviewed it yet. Going off some educated guesses there. Thanks for the feedback!
If Im leaning towards all the pluses on the pro edition, but just wants a more comfortable wearing experience, can I not stretch the headband to make it feel like the premium edition? Or is the comfort of premiums editions just THAT much better.
Have you heard the mmx 300 gen 2? Or the tygr 300? Im curious what you'd think of them. I'm hoping to get the hd800S for gaming. I used to have the AKG q701 and loved how large the soundstage was.
I've seen mixed reviews about the 32ohm, sounding 'confused' and 'muddy.' Do you think an amplifier would sort this? I saw someone say that the 32ohms still need a dedicated amp.
I have the sennheiseir hd650 and i like them a lot but they're not neutral, im trying to choose which dt880 should i get for music production (scores) , Pro or Silver. Can anyone help me out? It's kinda urgent
I did game on the 880 pro before selling it ,I found hd599/58x better for single player games and my current k712 pro better for multiplayer , 880s are good but they are neither a music nor a gaming allrounder , I just found them boring , 990s are just unlistenable anything any sound in that treble plateau will set you off.
I agree with most of that. I love the 880's for competitive gaming and monitoring, but they are super boring and analytical. The 990s are also searing sharp.
12:11 whatever, wolves ain't shit...oh, different kind of knot. ....this is a comprehensive a guide as we have for the 880's... i need to see the chrome 250 compared to the rest of these, i assume they're the same as the black... fyi the tigers are garbage and not dt880's.
no, it was due to the treble spike with no EQ. I had tried the premium version. I am told the pro version is less piercing but I have not tried or measured myself. honestly, I probably need to do a 990 round up video.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 I have the DT 990 600 ohm Premium Edition and place a piece of lightweight fleece over the driver and that cuts down on the treble spike a good deal and doesn’t effect the midrange in a negative manner. I have several varieties of felt and a few different weights of foams to mess around with but so far the fleece sounds good. It’s really the only headphone besides the 6XX I can use with my Darkvoice tube amp. I’ve been trying to get a pair of the Limited Black DT 880 600 ohms but those haven’t been available for almost a year now. And yes the differences between the 250 ohm drivers and 600 ohms drivers are noticeable but minor. The 250 ohm sounds perfectly fine but the 600 ohm brings everything into a less grainy focus. This is comparing between the DT990 600 Premium and the Chrome Edition 250 ohm. I might break down and buy the DT 880 600 ohm Premium.
the 32 ohm is the least resolving. it also has the least controlled bass and most distortion. i didn't include it because frankly, it is not very good and I do not recommend it.
@@Cadence24 they have a large stage and pretty darn good imaging. honestly, i just didn't care for them 1) due to feeling really cheaply made and 2) they lack any bass at all. good competitive gaming headphone though.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 is there a big difference between the 250 and 600 in terms of imagining and sound staging ? cuz I want to buy one of those but I dont want to spend a lot of extra money on an amp to run the 600 ohm.
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DT880 600 ohm is outstanding with right source, amazing value in audio industrie
can i run it with audient id4?
This is the DT880 roundup we needed! So many people have reviewed the 880 but I haven't seen them all compared like this. Great stuff! If I was to get one I'd definitely get the Premium 600ohm just wish the cable was removable. Currently using a AKG K702 for comp FPS and trying to determine my next step. I already have a balanced dual 3.5mm cable so I might pick up the T1 if I see them on sale.
thanks for the kind words. i liked the t1 gen 1. you can always have the 880 modded. couple guys on etsy do it for like $80.
Thank you for this review! I got the DT 880 PRO black editions a few weeks ago because they were on sale. I had no idea when buying them that the sound differed, and it was extremely hard to find info online to that effect. It was pretty clear that the PREMIUM version had a different sound, but even then, nothing set in stone.
I listened to them for the first few days I got them and felt that the bass was muddy and overly represented. After seeing the curve you showed in your vid, it really shows that the bass is boosted and the mids recessed quite a bit.
I ended up EQing them and WOW what a difference. I dialed back the bass a few db's, upped the mids (still recessed, but I like it that way), and reduced the treble a couple db's as well. They now have ample color in the low end without being boomy, enough midrange to have presence (stock midrange was lacking because of the boosted bass), and enough treble to sparkle but not be overwhelming.
Originally, the headphone sounded muddy and tinny. With a bit of EQ they are truly unreal and highlight all the right things without being overly linear.
Anyways, if you bought the DT 880 PRO BLACKs expecting the regular 880 sound, please do yourself a favor and EQ them - they will sound better than the regular 880s, and FAR better than the stock, bass-boosted, mid-scooped version that Beyer thought it would be a good idea to role out into a 'studio pro' version.
Thank you for checking out the video and taking the time to share your experience. Awesome!
Just won the pro blacks on ebay for $108 and I was worried about their shortcomings. Good to hear that they EQ well! I suspected that with some EQ (was planning on doing just what you did) they may have better character than the non-blacks. Sweet.
I've asked the support and they said that the sound is completely the same. I haven't tested it but they said that the pads are black but the same material... So is the whole build.
Thank you so much for making this video! I wish that someone had created a video like this when I was hopping from forum to forum to see the differences. I know you’ve definitely helped a lot of people who might see Zeos’s video on the premium 600 ohm. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for watching. I really appreciate the kind words and feedback!
@@gamingaudioguide9292 Well deserved! Ez sub and I can't wait to see your next upload
My favorite Beyerdynamic DT-880 is my Beyerdynamic DT-880 (2003). It sound amazing with classical music. It is in my reference rig. It looks much better than any other Beyerdynamic ever built.
I did not watch the entire video, but I wonder what amp you used to measure the 600 ohm version. At 600 ohms I would think that it would have massively different responses with different amplifiers as such a low impedance would cause most amplifiers to suffer at different levels. Never the less, I did find the graph very helpful at seeing what one scenario might be compared to the other models.
The measurements are taken off the THX 887 amplifier - so WAY more power on tap than needed. thanks for checking out the video!
I just bought the oem grey velour pads for my black editions and I found the sound to be better and the comfort to be better
I’ll probably pick those or the dekoni suedes for my black edition. The pads on the black edition honestly kinda suck
How do you not have many many more subscribers?! Keep up the great vids. You'll blow up in time.
I really appreciate the kind words and support! Thank you for watching!
My go to headphones for music, gaming and movies are the DT 1990 Pro's with Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads paired with a Soundavo HP-DAC1 dac/amp. The Dekoni Pads(ear pillows) add some nice Bass and smooth out the treble compared to the stock pads
it's been a year since i tried them. i really want to try them again with different pads and maybe an in-line filter. it's on the list for this fall/holiday season. watching for a deal!
Not sure if someome this but. The tygr are actsully a 990 driver. Makes sense with how many people use the 990 for gaming. Its basically a refresh,for the 990.
Pretty comprehensive video, thanks for taking the time to make it
Love the DT880 250 Ohm Edition I recently purchased. Have had the DT990 250 in the past (needs a cable repair, I broke the plug) and a DT990 32. Have loved all of them, even as a fan of the HD600. I do not find the DT880 as trebly as often claimed, nor the HD600 "too veiled." Both sound relatively "reference" to me, very different indeed, but not worlds apart either.
I love the DT990 also. Good for all sorts of music-it is just a hated headphone from a "purist," "it must sound like this" perspective.
I am not treble sensitive (love it, frankly, especially when it's extended and well done), so no Beyerdynamic offends me in the least, but also am NOT 85 years old. Hate the ageist connotations that older people cannot enjoy great audio, or that they can't appreciate how "bad" some headphones are. Maybe they like what they like, and you just do not enjoy treble at all? Nothing wrong with these older classics, and as the reviewer stated, a great value (and this 250 Ohm DT880 Edition is really among my best headphones for anything-both the HD600 and DT880 are excellent for "reference" lovers, with their own strengths and peculiarities.)
Great review I just got the TYGR 300 R I have been thinking about getting the silver pads as I have heard they are more comfortable but don’t want to mess with the sound to much thanks for the info
thank you for watching! yeah, i'm going to get the tygr as soon as i can find one and i will report the difference in sound - both with measurements and subjective impressions.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 I had some of the brainwavz XL cooling pads so I tried them on the TYGR destroyed the sound unfortunately because those things are so comfy on my ad700x's
Where did you buy the tygr from? I can't find them anywhere online to buy from. All sold out.
@@lukenycz7967 Beyerdynamics website
@@SQDCobranetic darn, it's sold out there and seems to be unavailable everywhere now.
Shame you didn’t have the real vintage 1980 880’s to compare too!
123 likes, 0 zero dislikes. Almost doing you an injustice
I bought the black edition for monitoring and mixing in the studio. I don’t want a coloured sound just flat response. Anyone with experience using them for this purpose, are they flat enough for one to check if the mix sounds good on cans before mastering? Like, is the soundstage and frequency response representative of the mix you hear on monitors? Guys, if you have never used them for this kind of application please abstain from giving an opinion because it is a very specific use case and I don’t want to get confused.
So the DT 880 Pro 600 ohm version is the best sounding of the whole lot right? What about soundstage and spaciousness? Love your channel! Great work!
stage is average at most but comparison is made with more expensive headphones, for example it can compete with Focal Clear with right source, those are legends in price/performance category
from what I hear, the Pro X 900 is apparently closer to the 880 than the 990
But the clamp force is much higher. DT 880 Premium Edition=2,8N, DT880 Pro=3,5N, DT 900 Pro X=5,3N
I wish they would make a Edition collection too at the PRO X series.
Great video. Did you do test with the 880 black edition (premium) with silver pads? Does it measure the same as the 880 premium 600ohm (silver aesthetic with silver pads) ??
Would you recommend the DT 880 250ohm over the new 900 Pro X?
I have been with Beyerdynamic for a long time and i also own a pair of DT880 Black 250ohm, but this year wanted to test some other cans. Would you consider the HD560S or the HE400SE Planar an upgrade for directional audio depth, compared to the DTs?
Thank you for this video. Amazing information. May I ask you? What headband is more comfortable. On the Black Special Edition or Pro (I do not care about the clamping force). Thank you so much for your reply. Subscribed.
Oh, forgot to mention, I really love the pading on my TYGRs and you can buy the Custom Headband. According to the BD customer support: "should fit, but we cannot say whether it closes completely on the right and left." May I ask you for a big favor? Can you please try the headband from TYGR if it will fit on DT 880 Pro?
Great review!! Thanks!! lmL
Hey there I've been watching countless videos on studio style headphones and I actually came across your channel from inside the r/headphones sub reddit. So props to them for pushing your name out there. I have a few questions that don't pertain to this exact video and I hope you don't mind that. I am looking to buy some headphones but I don't know where or what I should exactly be looking for. The main headphones I've come across are sennheiser 660 s and hifiman sundara + I hear amps/dacs help with the sound quality/make the sound way better. So to my question, which headphones would you recommend mainly for gaming? I will definitely be jamming out with the headphones as well but my main purpose will be gaming. Also if you could recommend an amp / dac that would also be great. oh and my budget is around $ 750 - 1000
If you do catch this comment I do appreciate you taking the time to read!
That's tough between those two specific headphones. The 660s will be better at positional accuracy if it is competitive multiplayer you are looking at. If it's single player, I would anticipate the Sundara being more fun all-rounder, but admittedly I haven't reviewed it yet. Going off some educated guesses there. Thanks for the feedback!
@@gamingaudioguide9292 LOL that was me who pushed his name on r/headphones guy deserves more subs
@@SQDCobranetic i appreciate the kind words and support!
If Im leaning towards all the pluses on the pro edition, but just wants a more comfortable wearing experience, can I not stretch the headband to make it feel like the premium edition? Or is the comfort of premiums editions just THAT much better.
Did you ever find more info on if the black premium run the same as the grey premium?
I'm sorry but you don't talk about gaming comparassion. What would you think is the best for competitive gaming (imaging and soundstage)
Amazing vid thanks
Thank you for checking out the channel! Make sure to sub, some cool content coming up!
nice vid, ty
Have you heard the mmx 300 gen 2? Or the tygr 300? Im curious what you'd think of them.
I'm hoping to get the hd800S for gaming. I used to have the AKG q701 and loved how large the soundstage was.
i have not hear either. the tygr 300 is on my list when it comes back in stock. tough to go wrong with the HD800S. It's expensive, but very very good.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 awesome, I'm looking forward to your review if you get them.
I'm sorry i got lost. Which black edition was tier1 for gaming? Dt 880 or DT 880 pro?
is there any bad smell from the 880 pro's cable?
I've seen mixed reviews about the 32ohm, sounding 'confused' and 'muddy.' Do you think an amplifier would sort this? I saw someone say that the 32ohms still need a dedicated amp.
32 ohm is all about flexibility. you either need the low impedance or you don't. If you don't, go with a higher resistance.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 Ah, thanks. It's whatever my Alesis io2 Express and FIIO K3 can drive honestly. 😁
I have the sennheiseir hd650 and i like them a lot but they're not neutral, im trying to choose which dt880 should i get for music production (scores) , Pro or Silver. Can anyone help me out? It's kinda urgent
600 ohm version no doubt is the best but they need serious amp to drive them, my tube amp take it like its nothing with barely half volume
@@soulfulfool will an Rme Babyface (old model) be enough for it?
I did game on the 880 pro before selling it ,I found hd599/58x better for single player games and my current k712 pro better for multiplayer , 880s are good but they are neither a music nor a gaming allrounder , I just found them boring , 990s are just unlistenable anything any sound in that treble plateau will set you off.
I agree with most of that. I love the 880's for competitive gaming and monitoring, but they are super boring and analytical. The 990s are also searing sharp.
is your 712 pro made from china ?i heard the china one iv very bad
@@yamin2000 made in austria
There is no PREMIUM DT 880. Just Pro and EDITION DT 880s.
Do you think the schiit Heresy is enough for the 600omh version ?
absolutely. the heresy is actually a very powerful little amplifier with low distortion as well.
Should i get the 880 pro 250 ohm or edition 250ohm headphones for music production?
not a big difference. go with the pro if you want a tight head clamping force, edition if you want a softer, more relaxed clamp.
pro
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whatever, wolves ain't shit...oh, different kind of knot.
....this is a comprehensive a guide as we have for the 880's... i need to see the chrome 250 compared to the rest of these, i assume they're the same as the black... fyi the tigers are garbage and not dt880's.
Why didn't you like the 990? Was it because of the bass?
no, it was due to the treble spike with no EQ. I had tried the premium version. I am told the pro version is less piercing but I have not tried or measured myself. honestly, I probably need to do a 990 round up video.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 I have the DT 990 600 ohm Premium Edition and place a piece of lightweight fleece over the driver and that cuts down on the treble spike a good deal and doesn’t effect the midrange in a negative manner. I have several varieties of felt and a few different weights of foams to mess around with but so far the fleece sounds good. It’s really the only headphone besides the 6XX I can use with my Darkvoice tube amp. I’ve been trying to get a pair of the Limited Black DT 880 600 ohms but those haven’t been available for almost a year now. And yes the differences between the 250 ohm drivers and 600 ohms drivers are noticeable but minor. The 250 ohm sounds perfectly fine but the 600 ohm brings everything into a less grainy focus. This is comparing between the DT990 600 Premium and the Chrome Edition 250 ohm. I might break down and buy the DT 880 600 ohm Premium.
I think they make their lineup too complicated
100% this
You didn’t include the dt880 chromes
they are same as the dt 880 black, with a chrome painted plastic ring
Gaming Audio Guide, what happens when you put the silver pads on the black edition
@@sauravsubramanian1413 i mention that in the video. it makes for a very comfortable headphone but you loose the extra bass of the black edition.
20 herz to 20.000 herz is the maximum human reach.The rest is subjective😊
what about the DT 880 32 ohm ?
the 32 ohm is the least resolving. it also has the least controlled bass and most distortion. i didn't include it because frankly, it is not very good and I do not recommend it.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 ok, and what do you think on the akg k702/701 in terms of sound staging and imagining for fps games ? like apex and etc
@@Cadence24 they have a large stage and pretty darn good imaging. honestly, i just didn't care for them 1) due to feeling really cheaply made and 2) they lack any bass at all.
good competitive gaming headphone though.
@@gamingaudioguide9292 is there a big difference between the 250 and 600 in terms of imagining and sound staging ? cuz I want to buy one of those but I dont want to spend a lot of extra money on an amp to run the 600 ohm.
@@Cadence24 zero difference in that regard. difference is only in resolution.
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There's too much coincidence man !
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