*"I TOLD YOU NOT TO PUT YOUR FUCKIN' NAME IN"* _CRUNCH_ You gotta give props to the director and screenwriters, was not expecting the sudden deviation from the novels like that
If these Engineers are so evolved, why are they so violently? You would think that they would have some curiosity about their creation having the ability to reach them millions of light years away. Instead, he rips one guys head off and crushes another, then kills a couple more. I would say he’s having a bad hair day, but he hasn’t got any so maybe he just got up on the wrong side of the bed.
@@hansalib2710 I like the narrator. It's very relaxing to listen to, and he doesn't come off as pretentious or anything to me. I don't feel a need to rush through his stuff because I like to think about every detail he reveals. Just my opinion.
It's called "projection" common human psychological defense mechanism. "I do this because you do it first" childish mentality. It's how many countries react.
I hope not, this script confirms how bad the idea behind all this was. Jesus, seriously ? How original. The idea of sending only one guy to "educate" others is so stupid and pathetic. These Engineers seem to be very stupid, why not educate the first humans and if they did, why expect better results with just one "educated" guy. I already see so many implausibilities without even giving second thoughts, I don't see how this story would not en up ridiculed even more by the fans.
The themes of sterilization, infection, and parasitism represent a deeper horror than any particular space monster, or space god. They represent our fears about our own reproductive functions. They also represent life at the viral level.
The alien lore has got to be one of the best out there. It's the perfect mix of nostalgia, overwhelming creepiness yet also absolutely intriguing, invoking curiosity, and discovery as well. Perfect sci-fi in my opinion.
@Budo Ka I feel like when it became a franchise. It's really hard to not explain their origins. I'm okay with knowing their origins but it has to be done right. I personally thought if they didn't have the alien bits in Covenant and added all the deleted scenes back it would've been a much better movie.
David is equally scary as the engineers. He killed another race and killed Elizabeth. I think he still have a role in all of Ellen Ripley's movie. It struck me when he was talking to a young weyland in the covenant and said "You will die but I will live forever". His the main villain in this movie as much as the xenomorphs.
I freaking love the alien quadrillogy and Prometheus and covenant but this script read made me realize how Prometheus could have been mindblowingly awesome. Damn
I think that the unanswered questions, the mystery, is what made Prometheus a great movie--these extra script pieces would make it feel so trite and like it was hitting us over the head. The poetry is in Wayland and Shaw getting to the outer reaches to get their answers and getting nothing but more mystery.
It’s all pretty much exposition, which is generally considered bad writing. It’s interesting to alien fans, but it wouldn’t necessarily make a good movie. At this point I just don’t think RS and/or whatever the production team is is capable of making a coherent film
So if I got this right it still doesn’t make the original alien or even AVP retconned as the sacrificed engineer was still impregnated by a face hugger and the subsequent deacon/alien contained. What David did was breed/experiment with black goo until he got back to a face hugger egg which gives rise to baseline alien drones
mjxbox i like it as it explains some things but I knew all of this without having to read the script or watch this video. the only thing that caught me a bit by surprise is that they stole a kid human and then returned it to then find out he was crucified, because I thought it was way too on the nose, i could had done without that part and that's why I prefer Ridley's more mysterious and pretentious vibe of the film.
It's because when you have shitty directors who think you can read their mind when they depict a story. We end up with garbage. It's been a trend as of late. All we needed was an explanation from them, that's a we fucking needed. But nooooo... they had to literally cut out whole lines to forcibly make a good movie shitty.
Aaaaaaa.... This young man spent time and MADE this video for us.. He did a FINE job of narration... THANK YOU, Kroft.. I learned a BUNCH of things with this one!! Looking forward to the next one, brother!
I wish they would just make a movie of the Lost book of Enki. Word for word best they can. Instead of dancing around in circles giving us nonesense trickle versions of the stories.
MadbatThe1st or maybe “Hollywood” didn’t like the idea of Jesus as the murdered savior of humanities creators for some, weird, completely unknown reason. Hollywood. Totally unknown reason why that would rub them the wrong way.
@@xenophonicus Jesus you guys are pathetic. Just say what you mean you spineless prick, then we can see in the bright light of day just how insane you actually are... _'the Jews censored him!'_ Sure they did. Now take your pills and have a lie down for nursie.
Yea, I think Prometheus and Covenant are the best films in the franchise, but I'm really disappointed things like stuff in this video were not in the movies.
Ridley Scott likes making movies with more questions than answers. I like movies like that. I agree that some things could have been presented in the sequel at least.
Couldn't agree more.. i loved the direction the story is going... and the overall look and feel of the movie is quite mysterious and isolated which i love.
Amazing script, I loved it. If Ridley had made the Prometheus as per this script then the movie would had been a smash hit, everyone would had loved it.
The original Jon Spaihts script Paradise would have been a great movie, Prometheus is the Damon Lindelof version after Fox Executives said no to spot on space Jesus.
@Anthony Swiss Indeed this would have made many christians mad, it made me mad and i called it "a piece of shit of literature that doesn't make a locking of sense"... and literature doesn't have to make sense... That's the funny thing.
In the end, thats how it came to be. They finally made Eden until humans decided to desecrate it so they made The Devil. Humans damnation is the engineers salvation
Actually makes me angry and sad at the same time just thinking about how phenomenal this film could have been. It was neither horror or action. It was a classic scifi exploration type lovecraft type story. I hate that in the 21st century studios wont allow films that have budgets over 100 million to become rich with stories. "peepol dont want story or themes. They want action and cheap horror tropes and splosions"
SCOTTISH_ _NUTJOB you would really like Blade Runner 2049. It is my movie of 2017 and personally my favorite movie in a long time. One of the best sci films hands down
Aliquid Gaming Listen after watching your videos and subscribing I gave it a go after your reply and. . . Fucking hell. The blade runner fanboy in me wanted to hate it but the reality is that the blade runner fanboy in me fucking absolutely loved every second of it. I agree it is hands down the best scifi film i have seen in a very long time. Next to the netflix show The Expanse, blade runner 2049 has given me a new hope for hard scifi
if you liked Blade Runner 2049, you should watch the new series on Netflix, Altered Carbon. It definitely has a cyberpunk detective noir feel to it and similar visuals.
I keep hearing of scripts and stories of what this movie could have truly been like. While I love Prometheus, it still feels like it didn't know what it wanted to be.
The inscriptions throughout- in the temple, on the door, on the face of the statue, & in the brief shot of the golden cup, are all evocative of Sumerian cuneiform script. I’m sure others caught that.
Kakarikoo Kalikoo To stop the masses disconnecting from the reality of slavery. Just like most films, books and history. One huge cover up to stop Man finding his true meaning and to stop Man ending Satan.
Scott and Lindelof wanted to leave room for a sequel, which turned out to be Alien: Covenant (which I haven't seen). Probably just coincidence that it was all the Christian stuff that was dropped.
Paul Casey coincidence? Oh come on. That’s too convenient. This blatantly has a true origin and holds clues. Read between the lines mate. These companies don’t just spend millions of dollars to make a film. There is a hidden agenda. You don’t need money when you make it, so I’ll let that sink in and see if you can grasp where that line is going. Money doesn’t make the world go round: Blood does.
Because it has kept interest in the franchise consistent even untill today....everyone is here watching this video and reflecting on the information everyone was searching for....that's how you make a movie that never dies.....I don't think they wanted anyone getting the script tho....it was to be a movie of riddles that would riddle the viewer for years hopefully.
It all makes so much sense now. They should have explained it all in the movie. Perhaps, eventually take down David and read all his data which reveals everything he translated and knew of the history.
Wow you fucking idiots. The original script Alien Engineers was available years ago. I read it shortly after Prometheus came out so none of this was new to me.
Never noticed before that the design on the box given from the ancient engineer to the sacrificial one strongly resembles an apple (from the tree of life?).
@@Superabound2 - That is based on the legends associating the pomegranate with knowledge of the underworld such as provided in the Ancient Greek legend of Persephone. However the midrash of Bereishit Rabah states that the fruit was grape, or squeezed grapes (perhaps alluding to wine). Also chapter 4 of 3 Baruch, also known as the Greek Apocalypse of Baruch, designates the fruit as the grape. Rabbi Meir, a Jewish sage who lived in the time of the Mishna, also says that the fruit was a grape, made into wine.
As a former christian, I've been trying to reimagine the bible through a sci-fi, ancient alien lens. There are a lot of interesting paths it can go down
Correction: pseudo science fiction. Its a hint of science fiction in the form of "stuff to complicated for views to understand" so we won't bother trying to explain it. What?
woow. all this makes so much sense, This would also explain why "engineers" in AC looked so much different. They were just some creation of the already extinct engineers.
My only problem with that is that the Engineer told Elizabeth that Earth was the only successful experiment out of all the many his ancestors had attempted. That would mean that the engineers in AC were the same as in Prometheus.
shinre Not exactly because in the video the script states how the engineers create life and then that life is to come find them or something like that. I think this is what the last engineer meant when he said that humans were the only successful ones. They were the only ones to come find them. I have a feeling that the race from AC was too primitive to find their engineer creators.
Tanner Smith Ummm they hated us before we tried to find them. They wanted to wipe us out why we were still technologically primitive. So based off of this script, the engineers in AC must be a different sort of race just like how the last engineer looked different from the ones in the opening scene. AC was a rewrite to appease fans for Prometheus's short comings. Remove the religious BS and this script sounds better. Planting one person in an isolated area of the world while other civilizations existed all over the planet is a dumb decision to be made by an intelligent civilization.
Now everything is clearer with the plot, it makes sense and everything connected rather than speculated. Personally I love when movies don't explain in detail everything so you have an opportunity to imagine, to think about what you saw and listen to new theories about the movie. I hope you could find the Alien Covenant script, you never know what you could find over there ;). Awesome video like always
+Henbot let me guess... Like so many other re-fucking-tarded dipshits in the YT comments sections who can barely spell, you have a really high IQ, the earth is flat, and we all need to "do our research". Blecch... I know I'm stupid. What's your excuse?
+ Anton Makov Yeah, but when they explain too little, the audience can mistake their attempt to intrigue us as just poor writing & directing. Damn Ridley! Prometheus would have been a lot more popular if he had just given us some of this sh*t!
JackDManheim not really I think just look at the cube from hell raiser. It is very simplistic while still retaining some complex and intricate line work. All in all a box with gold and black markings.
This makes the movie even more disappointing, the failure to convey any of this is pathetic, I appreciate this video more then you can ever imagine. The director failed to deliver any of the important factors to audience, it is like they only bothered to go through the motions and leave everything else to interpretation based on the vagueness, so much potential for a great story lost/
facts!! I was so disappointed by the second movie.. especially after hearing they were planning to make 5 of them. Thought they were gonna build and expand onto everything they left unanswered in the first movie but it just collapsed into nothing.. So grateful for this video for explaining what the story should have been
I think Promethues was the BEST movie in the entire series and totally pumped new life into the Alien Franchise ....I was looking forward to see the engineers home world and finding out why and how they made us.... THEN the alien fan boys complained so much that theres wasn't enough Aliens in Prometheus Ridley Scott changed the whole script to create another OLD Alien shoot em up... which was bitterly disappointing to everyone i knew that saw it.... to me the engineers are fascinating and I hope for the sake of the movies Ridley ignores the idiots and continues his prometheus series how he intended !
I think saying Prometheus was best is going a bit too far. I would put it high on the list though. Covenant was absolutely disappointing totally agree.
So crazy intrigued with the engineers. Unfortunate that they just refuse to elaborate on them and continue to just keep throwing more xenomorph variants at us.
dude seriously well done. one of the only youtube commentaries which makes sense of a beautiful, thought provoking movie with alot of grey plot holes. well done bud👍👍👍
It is Sumerian. I was working on a script about the Annunaki and accidentally ran into the head FX artist of "Prometheus" outside of a bar, because I jokingly wanted a fire for my cigarette and asked him "Do You Have Prometheus?" So you can imagine his surprise. He told me about the movie (more so than his disclosure agreement probably allowed him) and he explained that in the movie they were using the Sumerians as the original people who were contacted by ETs.
I can see why they had to cut some of the dialogue and story, people would have melted down with a clear reference to Christianity in any way. Awesome though, unfortunate so much of that was cut especially with the engineer conversation with David and Weyland. It would have added so much context, foundation.
You say clear reference to Christianity but it could honestly be referring to anything, including many leading religions. Could have been Socrates. I personally choose to think it was Socrates since he was killed for corrupting the youth and introducing the people to strange Gods. They forced him to drink hemlock. The imagery of him drinking Hemlock is similar to the engineer drinking the lords blood. Anyway, just my thoughts! I’m off to rewatch this movie with all this extra context.
@@jeremyphelps5140 I say that because of the chirstmas tree and baby Jeebus scene that was cut. Some other context was removed. I agree though, they could have done Socrates or similar to get a similar effect. Missing that context guts the movie.
I think it would be better if they made a NETFLIX SERIES about the Engineers, the origins of the Xenomorphs, and all that alien lore... I think the problem is that there's SO MUCH MATERIAL, so MUCH HISTORY, so MUCH STORY and LORE that all of it CAN'T FIT in one movie or even in a trilogy!!
This would have made the movie like a million times better! And like, it wasnt BAD to begin with. But with this original script, it just would have been a cut above.
This is why the thing his drinks in the opening scene doesn't really look like the black goo in the vases later on, it's actually the real blood of their lord
Anthony Swiss I think thats it. Pretty crazy dont you think? Also what would happen if we somehow attained some of Jesus blood, analyzed it, and found out that Jesus did in fact have a biological dad? Wouldnt that prove that christianity is a hoax? 😁
A parasite is a parasite, does it matter how nice it is? Wouldn't being nice just be another evolutionary strategy to get the hosts to accept parasitism...
Thank you for posting this! It seems that there are multiple storylines that could be taken with this information to make an incredible movie. The engineers are by far the most fascinating aspect of this and really needs to be explorer further
Its also interesting, because in the original Alien movie 1979 directors cut the xenomorph is hanging in a cross position right befor it kills Brett. same as the picture on wall ;)
If only they didn't cut those lines from the movie and didn't left so many stupid actions (like scientists who took of helmets of their heads in alien world or touched alien form of life). This movie could be in top of all time sci-fi movies, but they ruined it.
The Voodoo Child Cubop Güaño Original movies > 4 A New Hope, 5 The Empire Strikes Back, 6 Return Of The Jedi. Then you have the prequels > 1 The Phantom Menace, 2 Attack Of The Clones, 3 Revenge Of The Sith. Then Inter-Standalone-Sequel(s)/Prequel(s) > Rogue One, Han Solo(coming out this year), & presumably Obi-Wan Movie in 2020. Future series > 7 The Force Awakens, 8 The Last Jedi, 9 (Title yet to be out in 2019).
The engineers tried to use the blood without realizing they could never "banish the wolf" within it.(Quote from covenant) The blood would always be a wolf at its core and it would always try to break free of its genetic prison - as evident by all the xeno mutations we have seen. This means the true origin of the xeno existed before the engineers and what we have seen in the movies so far may not be its true form, as it was corrupted/altered by the engineers. Further extrapolation - If the engineers used this dna to spawn Earth life...then we also came from it and we have parts of the "wolf" in us. It could be a link to the biblical notion that Mankind is "born with sin" - Perhaps why they wanted to destroy us.
Are you REALLY believing that you are involved in this totally fantasist storyline ? You might seriously reconsider your sourcing as NOT being MOVIES, which are all fake stories to entertain you... Or your life will soon become a nightmare for you, but also for the people trying to bring you back to reality.
@@justindagame9516 lmao calm down. hes just exploring the ideas presented in the film. nothing he said had any indication that he was taking it literally.
Yes I was kinda disappointed we didn’t see that much of them. The film was alright but it was mostly exploring a cave and didn’t explain too much about the start of the film
I believe MLB or NFL...Barry Bonds or Mark MacGuire?...you know the whole huge arms and balls the size of snow peas routine?..right...shrinks your junk...Then your stuck looking for an Alien to procreate with ...BTW where are the ugly ass female engineers?
Great job. This does tie things up nicely. I quite enjoyed this film and wish we would have gotten Ridley’s true version of Covenant which better built in the foundation set in Prometheus.
Every time I watch this video, the more I believe that you should write a script for it. Fantastic interpretation my friend, excellent content, made the film much better because now it makes more sense, you have my respect!
MACK Too much inferance that one of the religions on Earth was from outerspace. there are "conspiracy" folks that think aliens helped earth..yes this is a movie. most likely, focus groups or maybe staff that are religious may have viewed this as an insult. or a crack at 'that' religion. strictly from a sci fi point, it seems facinating as a plot. but as i said, some would view it as an attack/ridicule of their beliefs.
I think that the reason is to have a good, solid, untold backstory. But at the same time to have that feeling of mystery without which the movie would just be too obvious. People love the mistery!
Because it's too focused on Christianity, and religion in general. The way they made it is more mysterious, and makes people dig deeper into the meaning of all the happenings. Dig deeper in the lore. It makes it better overall in my opinion.
Taking a script like this and making it so abstract that instead of conversations about subtle things left out on purpose, and where could the next film could go, you just get people arguing about the reasons things came about, trying to assume what the hell happened and trying to find the logic in major plot holes is not the mark of good production or direction. As much as i love the alien universe, Ridley really messed it up, and nobody can blame the script writer. Thanks for the upload! Good work.
It's not just the speed. He emphasized ever other word not much different from a text to speech program. Really unfortunate when you want to explain something complex in over 10 minutes.
Sometimes keeping people guessing about what’s going on in a movie makes the movie better but, this is a case where the real story overpowers any guessing that your left wondering about!
Extremely fascinating stuff! I’ve never heard about these ideas before and I really hope they make a third movie in this prequel trilogy and explore these ideas.
Sadly too much was cut beforehand or on cutting room floor, fleshed out elsewhere in interviews and/or novelization. You can't get that while in the theater. Yes mystery is fun as long as it's not at the expense of that finite amount of time when the audience sees the same presentation. You can't rely on audiences doing pre and post homework, especially if it comes across lacking or illogical and they stop caring.
Anything even close to early Sumerian Creation writings and Anunaki is never fully developed or is always removed! This is a shame because stories from the Eridu genesis and the book of Enki are super detailed and could be cinematicly awesome! This movie does a descent job of eluding to the Annunaki
@@haveyouseenhertellmehaveyo7147 The "mistranslations" narrative has been firmly disproved by scholarship. They have enough scholarly evidence and manuscripts to affirm the validity of the Bible we have today and this has been the case for at least a decade or two now. The Annunaki narrative is also extremely false if you understand the actual mythology and not the misrepresentation that the Ancient Aliens crowd and stuff puts out. Ergo, the Annunaki and the igigi have been heavily switched up due to later eras taking the lower igigi and raising them above the seven Annunaki (seven is interesting because that mirrors the archangles) at some point in history. The Annunaki (the archangels, I believe), for example, never reproduced with men. Despite the fact that the text idicates that, the name of the igigi actually carries the suggestion of sexual penetration; so the movement of the igigi to a higher status and the lowering of the Annunaki to underworld deities later on in the mythology mixed up the story. (They don't tell you this on Ancient Aliens etc.) The demotion of the Annunaki being overthrown by the Igigi is incredibly suspect, given that the Igigi by name were the ones who created the viscious nephilim that terrorized mankind in the Bible, also being the ones who would therefore be the parents of demigods and this the long line of tyrannical emperors and kings that have dominated human beings from Sumer to Egypt to Asia to recent Europe, apparently. It's almost unmistakable to see that the Annunaki were smeared to make the Igigi, and their children and their nations, look righteous to humanity. Even the identification of Satan with Enki is a smear campaign because Enki and Enlil weren't opposed to one another. I think this is the probably just the first manifestation of the Gabriel smearing that we see in modern art, where Gabriel is always made out to be the bad guy by pagans, for some reason, and always in opposition to Michael. Which is weird as hell when you consider than Michael is the one who is most depicted as fighting Satan in conflicts. Satan was more than likely a member of the Igigi (the watchers,which is another meanning present within the name, or you could see them as the non-arch-angels). In which case, the pagan attempt to identify him with Enki, and then subsequently making Enki out to be the creator of mankind, can all be understand by the nature of Satan's use of deception. It's one very convoluted smear campaign designed to hide the ways of Satan and the Igigi. The tactic is replicated in an all of paganism but is best seen in the religions that directly respond to Christ's victory through the cross, such as Gnosticism and Islam. Everything is so extremely reversed and flipped and criss-crossed in those religions that I consider them to be direct, modern versions of the Igigi deception. (Also, the black community has become notably worse since it abandonded Christianity in the 60's to follow liberalism than it was when it was trying to be faithful.)
Luneque Silva Junior And yet if you think about it, she is the true mother of the Deacon from the end of the movie. That Deacon came from the Trilobite which she gave birth to. I wonder if that fact would have played a role in the original sequel to Prometheus. Such interesting stuff. It's such a shame Ridley changed directions of the story and went with the absolutely most boring route he could possibly have chosen.
So this script debunks his theory that David doesn’t destroy the engineer homeworld, but another race created by the engineers: “Yours [life on earth] was the only one that was successful”
Nah the sequel to prequel of the original ( jee's try saying that when you are drunk ) is pretty much a rehash of the sequel to the original, is that clear?
I loved the path this new movie about Aliens was going but Ridley messed shit up by listening to the idiots wanting to see the same old alien killing people and shooting him off into space,I wated a long ass time to see Covenent to be disappointed and all that time on that planet and no history at all about the engineers OMFG that at least could have made the movie a lot better
Farid Rodriguez David is the villian...and the movie is about aliens who wind up becoming extremely powerful and could wipe out humanity...that story line wouldn't lineup with the engineers who are very advanced humans from millions of years ago...it was obvious the engineers wanted to kill humans for being a barbaric civilization... David's interjection into the process is the foundation for what the "Aliens" turn out to be.
Thanks for posting this! It makes a lot of sense and I am finally understanding all of it. This makes my fascination of the engineers only growing. I wish there would be a movie just about the engineers!
You know... most non-believers don't care if an original work has religious tones, symbolism and the like in it. It's first when someone takes something that doesn't have religion in it and adds it. Prometheus was an original work with some religious undertones, but it didn't change anything of the original Aliens trilogy. It didn't take a beloved character who had no religious disposition and made him/her into a religious zealot out of the blue. If they took the original Alien movie and made Ripley a christian fanatic, that would piss of non-believers. Besides, most non-believers don't get offended that easily. Annoyed perhaps.
Hmm...go to some Atheist boards and see what they think of the whole 'Space Jesus' deal.....I mean that and the fact that the creators in Alien were Nephilim-sized, gives some of them pause to think maybe Scott had some Christian background in this story.
The point is - The movie should have been self explanatory to the first time movie goer. You cannot watch a movie, Not figure it out and come backs months later after digging thru the Archives to explain a story. This is very poor editing and not very good story telling. I still cannot figure out what the movie is about? That states the whole problem, right there....
I completely agree with you. And, it seems to be a tendency nowadays. More and more movies are depending on other media to fully tell a story. It's ok if they want to expand something, or even fill a few gaps, from the movie with books, cartoons, and comics, but they're using other media to finish a poorly tell story. It's so lame...
I understood the entire movie was alot longer and included scenes about the old man and the Android, before they left earth? It looks like the Director or whoever , finished the movie, Got Paid and let someone else Edit the Movie and could care less....??
Maybe Disney star wars movies are more your speed. The intent of the movie entails a lack of knowing and mystery. Let your imagination do some filling in instead of being spoon fed cgi money grabs (like the aforementioned Disney star wars movies).
The movie is about the struggle of life and death, those who seek to rise above that struggle are arrogant, and will be cast down by life. Those who create life and do not care for it are equally doomed.
I'm betting it was, but the Engineers fucked up and were punished by the gods for trying to recreate them. And so the blood was flipped on it's head, instead of a beautiful life giving deacon, they got an ugly life destroying deacon.
Your Cringey Gamer I don’t think they got destroyed by gods , considering there’s surely no gods and ( the only kind of thing that is the closest from a god is maybe the black goo) .Also , from the engineers point of view , the deacon was their lord and it’s weird while while being very interesting .
Toni Larios ridley scott is burnt out and attempts to regain his glory days by chopping up scripts. He does this to create "mystery" because he knows sci-fi nerds think mystery adds depth. In reality, he is just recycling the same old crap. Prometheus, once explained properly, is the only decent movie since Alien. If people realized he is completely out of ideas, it might force him to create something new......
If they did this storyline any mystery that gives life to the Lovecraftian horror would be dead. Prometheus could have been done better of course but the Hollywood suits wanted a slasher so....yeah.
Really bizarre that these details weren't included in the fim. It's no exaggeration to say that Prometheus just doesn't make sense without them. Also - since we don't know where the original, presumably peaceful, deacon came from, ie. how it came to be born from an engineer and then worshipped _by_ the engineers - it reinserts the central mystery of the Alien franchise; which is: where do the xenos come from? In this script it shows us that the engineers didn't create the deacon, didn't create aliens. Neither did David. The deacon was just something that came from an engineer being 'infected' by some kind of life force. The origin of that 'life force' is a mystery, and mystery is the whole reason why Alien's mythos was interesting in the first place. Thus we no longer have the(IMO really disappointing) plot point from Prometheus and Covenant where the xenos just turn out to be experiments. It turns out that we have no idea where they originally came from, or rather where their 'ancestors' came from. They could do a lot worse than making this script canon.
@@illanellinor Oh definitely, I think it would be very clunky. I wasn't suggesting they add this backstory into the films in the future, in a montage or something...but they could accept it as canon and build on it, reference it. The single most transfixing image in the entire film series in my opinion is the shot of the space jockey. The mystery surrounding that, and the question of how the xenos arose, was always the element that elevated the series(I hate saying 'franchise') above other genre films. It had an enigmatic quality that no other film of its kind had. And Scott, for some reason, thought that the audience wanted definite, black and white answers to the provenance of the aliens, and the question of what the space jockey was, and so we got Prometheus and Covenant. But audiences _don't_ really want clearcut resolution...what we want is for the mystery to be expanded upon. That's difficult to do, it's a fine line to walk, but it's much more enjoyable than just saying 'well, the aliens were basically things that a psycho robot made for fun because it was fucked in the head'. The TV series The Leftovers understood this really well - it never quite resolved the central mystery, it just built on it with each passing season - and Lindelof wrote that along with Prometheus. So he certainly knows how to walk that line between revealing too much and not revealing enough. I think there was a big clash between Lindelof's original script - which we can see here was very careful about preserving the mystery - and Scott's direction, which pulled that script to pieces and didn't seem to care too much about preserving any sense of the unknown.
@@illanellinor No need to apologise. You seem like you're one of those people like me, who when they start writing find it hard to stop. The whole plotline is such a tangled mess by now, and like I said it feels like no-one quite knows what to do with it. From what I've seen in this video Lindelof's reference to deeper mysteries, his reference to the origin of the 'good' deacon, was pretty elegantly written: it answered some questions but asked a whole bunch of new ones. But Scott seems to have taken a hacksaw to the script and as a result I watched Prometheus and didn't have a clue what was going on. And with covenant he seems to have kind of signaled that he's not interested in writing those grand, philosophical, Prometheus-y kinds of films any more. Which would be fine if the characters in Covenant weren't so consistently dumb, and if it hadn't torn the heart out of the series' central mystery by placing the origin of the Aliens in the hands of David and ignoring the question of the black goo itself, which is a much more tantalising question. It's a good film in so many ways, and the neomorph is terrifying. And David is the star of the film imo, a total scene stealer. But the human characters are so unbelievably dumb throughout that it breaks the credibility of the plot. ...Having said all that I'll still keep watching these films so long as they're not actively bad. The xeno has fascinated/terrified me ever since I first saw it as a kid(I watched the first film w/ my dad when I was seven or something and it's haunted my dreams ever since then) and Ridley Scott still knows how to keep you watching. And I rewatch the last two films just for their high points. tl;dr: Basically, all I want from future films is that they start putting some of the original mystery back into the film.
@@illanellinor Really? You don't find them at all scary? I think they're the most terrifying 'monsters' in cinema history. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the design, because I can. That's what fascinates me the most. They are sleek and...not beautiful, that's not the right word, but perhaps...'elegant'. Efficient. Like a frighteningly pure, powerful car, or piece of machinery, honed for a particular purpose. The purpose they're honed for in the film is to kill, so it's said from the start...but the other purpose, the _real_ purpose, the purpose that really inspires their design, is to frighten. It's to tap into the most primal reasons why humans fear things. That is why we never see its eyes(even though technically you can see the sockets in some shots). There is nothing more unnerving than not being able to see a person's eyes. And it breaks one of the main rules of horror: the rule that once you see the creature it's no longer scary. That's not the case with the Xeno. Once you see it...it's even more frightening. And it's also awe-inspiring too. It's not something that makes you disgusted, like The Thing. It attacks a much deeper part of your mind. It triggers much deeper emotions than something as cheap and lazy as disgust. It's easy to disgust viewers. It's much harder to do what the alien does to the viewer - which is both chill their blood and fascinate them at the same time. Re. Giger, I first saw his work in Alien but when I was at art school a friend had a huge book of his stuff - and some of the stuff in it was monumentally fucked-up... His stuff is very aesthetically elegant, very ornate. Like cyber-baroque or something. It always freaked me out as a kid. He obviously has some kind of handle on how to disturb the human mind. I remember the scene in Alien 4, where Ripley is exploring the lab with the previous clones in it. I think that might be the single most disturbing scene in any film I've ever seen, and I think all of that is Giger let loose. That scene was completely mental. Giger was a very strange guy. I'd struggle to ever say his work is beautiful but there is something fascinating about it. Disturbing on a deep level. Not cheaply disgusting, not simple shock value; something more than that. Whatever that 'that' is, it's what makes the Xenomorph so fascinating.
@@illanellinor I have played Isolation. I really stuck with it, and it's a superb game, but it's the only game I've ever played where it was just too stressful to be fun. It is so nerve-wracking. So I never finished it. It's an incredible looking game though. It's a great achievement, I'm just not sure it's that enjoyable to play. Interesting comments about the neomorph. You're right, they do display a kind of...curiosity...about the world, that the xenomorph doesn't. They're more like the hybrid from the end of Alien 4 in that respect. They are a more sophisticated, subtle version of that(underrated IMO) creature. My sense was that they were meant to be more childlike than the xenomorphs. I'm not sure they're more intelligent than the xenos - I think that they're less focused, more capricious. They have that frightening characteristic where you're not sure what they're going to do. That's the childlike aspect - like the toddler who's either going to hug the kitten...or throw it out of a window. I think that's what makes the neomorph scary. I very much liked(maybe like is the wrong word, but I found it illuminating) your allusion to anorexia in the design of the neos. I hadn't considered it at all, but it's evident now I think about it. Especially when you see it shivering and clucking, with its head downturned and its arms down and behind its sides. Like it's ashamed of its own body. It's also just occurred to me that they're birthed by being puked out of one of the crew members too. Might be a reference to bulimia. This is why I find these films so fascinating - because these creatures are so layered and Freudian. The neomorphs were very, very successful additions to the Alien menagerie.
i found this too as real inspiration: check out The Origin of Evil Spirits: The Reception of Genesis 6:1-4 in Early Jewish Literature - "The Rebellion Motifin the Book of Watchers". in short, giants asked God for eternal/prolong their life, he said no and they were punished that after their dead out of their corpses arised evil spirits. similar theme to aliens from corpses of engineers.
It's almost like the Creators were a master race that conquered their planet and advanced into the Space Age. However, their race was going through Evolution and it resulted in the superior Engineer subspecies, which lost the ability to mate and to reproduce. And a cataclysmic event, like an asteroid shower destroyed their planet Eden and essentially doomed them to extinction. The only surviving faction would've been the Engineers, so they probably tried to meddle with their Engineer blood to create an Engineer or even a lesser Creator. They were unable to do so, something trivial like "Life" was just out of their grasp even though they were the highest advanced beings in the universe. So they set out to explore, to see if they could find another advanced race or even a solution to their problem. And so it happened when they explored another habitable planet with life/vegetation. "Alien" (the original creature) attacked and impregnated the Elder/Dying Engineer named "The Lord". It introduced its own DNA into the host. And the "Baby" killed the original host during its birthing, however, because it restarted the Life Cycle this was fine by the Engineers. And since it allowed them to continue their existence it was a solution to their looming extinction. And the resulting hybrid was "Deacon", the son of "The Lord" father had introduced some "Death" into his DNA. And artificial recreations of his blood kept this defect which the Engineers despised. When they started seeding planets with a sacrificial Engineer and a sample of the Deakin's blood (organic or artificial), it resulted in the soil/earth multiplying and reproducing a Clone. This was a clone with hybrid Engineer, hybrid Deacon, hybrid planet structure/compound. They did this on several planets, which are in the Zone of Habitable from their neighbouring star. I believe they ran out of the organic blood, so they made the artificial blood. And the Juggernaut vessel in Prometheus has a lot because it had different variants, and they realised it could be used as a doomsday device in high concentrations/volumes. That's why some of the crew from Prometheus reacted differently to the Black Goo because they were different variants. When the last of the Engineers found the perfect planet, they named it Eden. But they ran out of the organic blood, and used their "best" artificial blood to impregnate the planet with Engineers. This was afterall the "Star Child" of the Engineers. So humans, ergo Adam, really was created from dirt on Eden. However, the artificial blood had a higher concentration of the Death proponent. That's why Humans were so Engineer-like and clever, but also so barbaric. Evolution did happen, which is why some humans were adapted to the desert, some to islands, and some to the frozen tundra... one of those was the emergence of hair. de-Evolution also happened as some humans evolved into Chimps, Apes, Monkeys and down to small mammals, and reptiles, and amphibians, and fish. The trees, archaea, yeast, bacteria, and virus are native Earth species not introduced by the Engineers. When the Engineers returned they found the abundance of life, and human advancement, but a lot of violence. So the Engineers had to intervene to correct the pathway by sending natural disasters (Volcano) and a great flood. This wipes out most of the creatures, and sort of resets the planet. Then they saved Lot's/Noah's family, and with guidance of the Engineers (or Angels), on how to live. This created the Monotheistic practice of Religion. The Engineers had to intervene once more, but this time they kidnapped a Human, fed him well, and brought him up to age with their Engineering education (or dogma). They left this child to again, take control of the religion which was becoming perverted. It did succeed, but post mortem, as the other humans crucified this Messiah. The Engineers witnessed this crucifixion and left back to report, which resulted in the decision to exterminate the entire planet (since they restarted it 3 times before), it was a Bust. However, an event upon the Juggernaut saw the contamination/release of the Black Goo which killed all the crew except the Last Engineer. Whilst the survivors of the hybrid Engineer-hybrid Deacon people seen on Planet 4 in Covenant were an imperfect race of Engineers, which were created from the organic blood, so they had lower concentrations and tendencies for violence. They worshipped the non-sexual Engineers, and were on-path to inheriting the culture, ideology and technology of the Engineers... until they were killed by David. The Predators are not related to the Creators, or the higher-evolved Engineers. They have no connections to humans or aliens. The Engineers probably discovered them during their Odyssey and decided to not integrate with their kind. However, the Predators eventually created technology or were given it from the Engineers, which is how the Predators eventually came into contact with Aliens and Humans. And for a brief period they became the highest-tech advanced species in the universe when the Engineers died off, and before Humans were able to do proper space travel (and androids).
Kangal i urge you to look up gnosticism, psychedelics, meditation, and chanting. we are all a multiplayer game, and there is a mystery/glitch/cheat to reach the gods
I think otherwise. The engineers are simply advanced cybor-beings created to live very long and with no need for reproduction (much like David). The originals die off or became extint somehow and only engineers remain to attempt to revive or recreate an ultimate being (again, much like David attempts with aliens). The irony is rampant.
Having worked in the film industry....I can guarantee you that the studio and those who fund the film played a huge role in forcing Ridley Scott's hand. Much like they did with Covenant. Ridley had a completely different trajectory to take these movies but at the end of the day...the studios have the final say and are only looking at the bottom line. They dont care if the story is complete or well fleshed out...they want to get the greatest return on their investment while keeping costs down. Sadly this and other franchises will continue to suffer from this very same thing. The only way Ridley Scott could ever truly tell the story he wants is if he funded the entire film himself which will never happen.
probably got something to do with the particular religious history thats infested throughout hollywood.... Im not gunna say it but if your smart you will come to your own realisation.
AmericanPewDiePie if any of these details are actually legit, which was in no way confirmed by this video. This easily could have been a fanfic rewrite to fill the holes in Prometheus. In fact, I strongly believe it is, since its pretty much too perfect. It answers ALL the unanswered questions of Prometheus, and you think the filmmakers just happened to have a script with all the answers and took them out? For what reason? Just to be vague? It makes no sense. This “script” appears to have been created EXPLICITLY answer EVERY unanswered question in Prometheus: if it’s too good to be true, guess what?
I know right? When the first film came, I assumed they were just leaving stuff out to explain in a later film. I had no idea they wrecked the story. I don't know if it's Ridley's fault, he did make the movies after all...We really needed this information, this changes my view of the films so much...
I’ll give you one guess why Hollywood wouldn’t want one of its biggest, most successful sci-fi blockbusters to infer that Jesus Christ truly was the savior of humanity. I’m not religious at all, but even I can pick up on that.
Maybe they stripped this out of the Prometheus script to save it for awakening where we finally learn who the engineers are and what they were doing. It's a big part of the story and from a narrative perspective would work as a bond villain type explanation of the master plan just before the end of the trilogy. P.s. Love the videos and don't change your background music, it's perfect for the subject matter!
Nana Weet That's what I think too. Shaw and David would have discovered a lot of what we see in this script while exploring Engineers home world which probably would have been desolate.
Justin Ross look up the definition of esoteric...because everything you see has 2 meanings one for the masses and one for the select few who look closely
This movie is obviously to difficult for the none thinkers who don’t have enough knowledge to understand. Just have to stay on your level of intelligence. Sorry but true.
I actually love that the movie left so much unanswered. After all, who are we to think that we, mere humans, should be able to understand the motivations of a far more advanced alien race?
Omg I’ve seen this movie a hundred times and imagined a million scenarios and could never figure out what it all means????... but then I watch this video and suddenly it all makes sense. Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you ..this was awesome.... Makes think...Christ ascended in the last chapters of the gospel.....there is more to life than we know and comprehend....What if tho ...right
"Did you put your name into the Goblet of fire!?!" The engineer asked calmly before gently ripping David's head off.
Rings a bell..
i chuckled. this one's classic. good one friend.
*"I TOLD YOU NOT TO PUT YOUR FUCKIN' NAME IN"* _CRUNCH_
You gotta give props to the director and screenwriters, was not expecting the sudden deviation from the novels like that
*C* *A* *L* *M* *L* *Y*
If these Engineers are so evolved, why are they so violently? You would think that they would have some curiosity about their creation having the ability to reach them millions of light years away. Instead, he rips one guys head off and crushes another, then kills a couple more. I would say he’s having a bad hair day, but he hasn’t got any so maybe he just got up on the wrong side of the bed.
Amazing how a 13 minute clip makes a 2 hour long movie make sense.
Censorship is a pain ... glad some kind soul leaked the original
It can even be shortened even more by putting it on 1.5 playback speed.
Hans Alib I actually played it faster to get around the narrators slow and spaced talking.
@@superdutyzack I hope he realizes how boring he sounds that way.. not the cryptic type he wishes to achieve.
@@hansalib2710 I like the narrator. It's very relaxing to listen to, and he doesn't come off as pretentious or anything to me. I don't feel a need to rush through his stuff because I like to think about every detail he reveals. Just my opinion.
I’m so intrigued by this universe, the Engineers, Xenomorphs, Predators, the synthetics, literally all of it is so interesting to me.
Engineers were probably real
Predators arent cannon to the Alien movies.
@@Drinkwateritsgood4u you shaddup!
They're from another Galaxy.
Did you know the blade runner universe is the same as the alien universe? Thought you might enjoy this info
@@buffybuffalo2975 whaatttt rlly???
"We are born of the blood, made men by the blood, undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open...
Fear the old blood."
- Master Willem
Bloodborne... you are a man of culture I see.
This reminds me of how I had to watch a video to fully understand the story of bloodborne lol
Beasts all around the shop... soon enough you will become one of them...
In this situation
Fear the artificial blood
So appropriate
Perfect if you set the playback speed to 1.25.
Thank you, what a differance I couldn't have watched it all the way through without the speed change 🤦
Thank you!
Perfect.
HOLY SHIT... that worked so well!
This needs to be the first comment!
"Your kind is barbaric, and violent!"
-The Last Engineer
*Then, Rips David's head off, and attempts to destroy Earth.*
It's funny how every time someone says humans are barbaric in fiction they then proceed to try killing all life on earth
It's called "projection" common human psychological defense mechanism. "I do this because you do it first" childish mentality. It's how many countries react.
The engineer said "you talk to me of hate, prepare for rapture." So as the engineer previously explained, it wasn't unwarranted.
Engineers = super jerk offs
Hahahaha I literally laughed out loud
Can they just make a movie called "The Engineers" PLEASE!
OMG PLEASE!!!!!!!
I hope not, this script confirms how bad the idea behind all this was. Jesus, seriously ? How original. The idea of sending only one guy to "educate" others is so stupid and pathetic. These Engineers seem to be very stupid, why not educate the first humans and if they did, why expect better results with just one "educated" guy.
I already see so many implausibilities without even giving second thoughts, I don't see how this story would not en up ridiculed even more by the fans.
So the passion of the christ is tied into Prometheus, wow what a fucking twist
Since they refuse to put subtitles in their movies and the engineers are speaking Proto-Indo-European that would be difficult
@@En_theo Tell me, when have you seem a Hollywood movie that makes sense?
The themes of sterilization, infection, and parasitism represent a deeper horror than any particular space monster, or space god. They represent our fears about our own reproductive functions. They also represent life at the viral level.
The alien lore has got to be one of the best out there. It's the perfect mix of nostalgia, overwhelming creepiness yet also absolutely intriguing, invoking curiosity, and discovery as well. Perfect sci-fi in my opinion.
@AgainstTheSystem .ATS yeah a little bit lol 😅 hopefully they make a comeback soon.
Harry Nguyen well said !
Very well said.
Enlightening info, but frustrating just the same. We missed out on seeing a CLASSIC sci-fi film.
@Budo Ka I feel like when it became a franchise. It's really hard to not explain their origins. I'm okay with knowing their origins but it has to be done right. I personally thought if they didn't have the alien bits in Covenant and added all the deleted scenes back it would've been a much better movie.
David is equally scary as the engineers. He killed another race and killed Elizabeth. I think he still have a role in all of Ellen Ripley's movie. It struck me when he was talking to a young weyland in the covenant and said "You will die but I will live forever". His the main villain in this movie as much as the xenomorphs.
I freaking love the alien quadrillogy and Prometheus and covenant but this script read made me realize how Prometheus could have been mindblowingly awesome. Damn
It had great potential to pull together all the related movies, but missed the mark by a mile.
@@krane15 you're right, ridley scott didn't realise the potential of the script
@@sea2blu he was swayed by fans and ended up ruining it
I think that the unanswered questions, the mystery, is what made Prometheus a great movie--these extra script pieces would make it feel so trite and like it was hitting us over the head. The poetry is in Wayland and Shaw getting to the outer reaches to get their answers and getting nothing but more mystery.
@@omega311888 I heard it was the studio that insisted on the changes not the fans
My feeble brain can't comprehend the logic behind leaving all of this incredible, world building, thought provoking content out of the finale movie.
Believe me, it was all made up AFTER the film was made. Hollywood's found a way to squeeze money out of their audience's confusion.
It’s all pretty much exposition, which is generally considered bad writing. It’s interesting to alien fans, but it wouldn’t necessarily make a good movie. At this point I just don’t think RS and/or whatever the production team is is capable of making a coherent film
So if I got this right it still doesn’t make the original alien or even AVP retconned as the sacrificed engineer was still impregnated by a face hugger and the subsequent deacon/alien contained. What David did was breed/experiment with black goo until he got back to a face hugger egg which gives rise to baseline alien drones
wtf.... why wasn't this in the damn movies lol this sounds great .
Moonbeam444 i love both Prometheus and Covenant, they are different yet the same, great sequel continuation of David's story
i liked them both too. but this sounds way better.
mjxbox i like it as it explains some things but I knew all of this without having to read the script or watch this video. the only thing that caught me a bit by surprise is that they stole a kid human and then returned it to then find out he was crucified, because I thought it was way too on the nose, i could had done without that part and that's why I prefer Ridley's more mysterious and pretentious vibe of the film.
IKR...they should've stuck to this...but i guess they wanted to keep it mysterious to be able to milk various movies out of this great script
It's because when you have shitty directors who think you can read their mind when they depict a story. We end up with garbage. It's been a trend as of late. All we needed was an explanation from them, that's a we fucking needed. But nooooo... they had to literally cut out whole lines to forcibly make a good movie shitty.
Aaaaaaa.... This young man spent time and MADE this video for us.. He did a FINE job of narration... THANK YOU, Kroft.. I learned a BUNCH of things with this one!! Looking forward to the next one, brother!
so this video entertains you? do you play dolls and toy guns also. you are a total JOKE blasphemer! ha ha mike
That indeed he did, very fine and detailed job.
Knowing the details of the original script makes all of this so much more satisfying.
A day late and a dollar short. The movie needs to stand on its own.
The storyline would have been better suited for a Netflix series where all the ideas could be fleshed out, instead of a convoluted 2 hour movie.
More like HBO, Netflix takes this political correctness crap way too far
Just not on netflix.
...and a different narrator.
Please.
I'll come back for the story after that.👋
If it got the Raised by Wolves treatment it'd have been a success.
No
So basically Prometheus is a make shift rendition of the sumerian stories of our creation.
Yes
Disappointed
Sounds like it.
@@a.citizen7668 I know right.
I wish they would just make a movie of the Lost book of Enki. Word for word best they can. Instead of dancing around in circles giving us nonesense trickle versions of the stories.
So basically, Ridley Scott edited out every part of the movie that would have made it make sense. Then he made Covenant. Ridley has gone senile.
MadbatThe1st or maybe “Hollywood” didn’t like the idea of Jesus as the murdered savior of humanities creators for some, weird, completely unknown reason. Hollywood. Totally unknown reason why that would rub them the wrong way.
The script suffered a Censorship review!
Doesnt take a Rocket Cientist to reach that conclusion!
@@xenophonicus Jesus you guys are pathetic. Just say what you mean you spineless prick, then we can see in the bright light of day just how insane you actually are...
_'the Jews censored him!'_
Sure they did. Now take your pills and have a lie down for nursie.
@@serenemountain6769 You mean you're not a rocket scientist? I am shocked, shocked to my core.
@@thesprawl2361 no insult intended! its a figure of speach...
I really enjoyed Prometheus. I will never understand how people think it's horrible. Different strokes I guess.
Yea, I think Prometheus and Covenant are the best films in the franchise, but I'm really disappointed things like stuff in this video were not in the movies.
Ridley Scott likes making movies with more questions than answers. I like movies like that. I agree that some things could have been presented in the sequel at least.
Just because this was not in the movie does not mean there were not other things in it, does it...
Couldn't agree more.. i loved the direction the story is going... and the overall look and feel of the movie is quite mysterious and isolated which i love.
It needed a battle and more questions answered. Read fire and stone/ life and death. Thats how a movie should be made
I gotta say, the complete story is much more satisfying than the ambiguity of the finished product.
It works exactly like magic. When u know the tricks, it satisfies u.
Amazing script, I loved it. If Ridley had made the Prometheus as per this script then the movie would had been a smash hit, everyone would had loved it.
I doubt it. The themes this movie deals with are heady and lofty, not the average moviegoer's muse. More's the pity.
The original Jon Spaihts script Paradise would have been a great movie, Prometheus is the Damon Lindelof version after Fox Executives said no to spot on space Jesus.
@Anthony Swiss Indeed this would have made many christians mad, it made me mad and i called it "a piece of shit of literature that doesn't make a locking of sense"... and literature doesn't have to make sense...
That's the funny thing.
I like the idea of the Engineers trying to recreate God (the original Deacon) and creating the Devil (the other Deacon) instead.
cazyazzdude you simplified that perfectly!! 👐👐
At last. The voice of reason. Spot on crazyazzdude. You nailed it.
the Xeno is the "snake" in the garden of Eden...
nice one🐛
In the end, thats how it came to be. They finally made Eden until humans decided to desecrate it so they made The Devil. Humans damnation is the engineers salvation
Actually makes me angry and sad at the same time just thinking about how phenomenal this film could have been. It was neither horror or action. It was a classic scifi exploration type lovecraft type story.
I hate that in the 21st century studios wont allow films that have budgets over 100 million to become rich with stories.
"peepol dont want story or themes. They want action and cheap horror tropes and splosions"
SCOTTISH_ _NUTJOB you would really like Blade Runner 2049. It is my movie of 2017 and personally my favorite movie in a long time. One of the best sci films hands down
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Listen after watching your videos and subscribing I gave it a go after your reply and. . . Fucking hell. The blade runner fanboy in me wanted to hate it but the reality is that the blade runner fanboy in me fucking absolutely loved every second of it. I agree it is hands down the best scifi film i have seen in a very long time. Next to the netflix show The Expanse, blade runner 2049 has given me a new hope for hard scifi
if you liked Blade Runner 2049, you should watch the new series on Netflix, Altered Carbon. It definitely has a cyberpunk detective noir feel to it and similar visuals.
EXACTLY
Same with Alien Covenant
I keep hearing of scripts and stories of what this movie could have truly been like. While I love Prometheus, it still feels like it didn't know what it wanted to be.
The inscriptions throughout- in the temple, on the door, on the face of the statue, & in the brief shot of the golden cup, are all evocative of Sumerian cuneiform script. I’m sure others caught that.
I cant even begin to compregend how they thought removing this from the movie was a good idea.
Kakarikoo Kalikoo To stop the masses disconnecting from the reality of slavery. Just like most films, books and history. One huge cover up to stop Man finding his true meaning and to stop Man ending Satan.
To dull out more sequels
Scott and Lindelof wanted to leave room for a sequel, which turned out to be Alien: Covenant (which I haven't seen).
Probably just coincidence that it was all the Christian stuff that was dropped.
Paul Casey coincidence? Oh come on. That’s too convenient. This blatantly has a true origin and holds clues. Read between the lines mate. These companies don’t just spend millions of dollars to make a film. There is a hidden agenda. You don’t need money when you make it, so I’ll let that sink in and see if you can grasp where that line is going. Money doesn’t make the world go round: Blood does.
Because it has kept interest in the franchise consistent even untill today....everyone is here watching this video and reflecting on the information everyone was searching for....that's how you make a movie that never dies.....I don't think they wanted anyone getting the script tho....it was to be a movie of riddles that would riddle the viewer for years hopefully.
It all makes so much sense now. They should have explained it all in the movie. Perhaps, eventually take down David and read all his data which reveals everything he translated and knew of the history.
Wow you fucking idiots. The original script Alien Engineers was available years ago. I read it shortly after Prometheus came out so none of this was new to me.
Mr 350z Nismo - It's been available on the internet for years, everyone had access to it.
Henbot is the kinda guy who says shit like told ya, and i was first
Henbot Fuck you troll!
I kinda got the jist of it from watching Prometheus. Some of y'all need videos like this to spell everything out but it was pretty straight forward
Never noticed before that the design on the box given from the ancient engineer to the sacrificial one strongly resembles an apple (from the tree of life?).
fun fact - the fruit of knowledge was a grape
@@silviafox78 it was a pomegranate
@@Superabound2 - That is based on the legends associating the pomegranate with knowledge of the underworld such as provided in the Ancient Greek legend of Persephone. However the midrash of Bereishit Rabah states that the fruit was grape, or squeezed grapes (perhaps alluding to wine). Also chapter 4 of 3 Baruch, also known as the Greek Apocalypse of Baruch, designates the fruit as the grape. Rabbi Meir, a Jewish sage who lived in the time of the Mishna, also says that the fruit was a grape, made into wine.
I thought apple too, then there is a close up which is not so apple like. It would have been great if they dropped this reference in.
@@silviafox78 A midrash is just a late commentary of the text. No of this actually happened anyway, but I like the pomegranate version more.
I love it when science fiction & Mythology, ancient history & the Bible all meet in one story! My kind of writing!
The concept is interesting af for sure but the actual execution in the movie was just whatever
Science fiction, mythology and ancient history, then!
As a former christian, I've been trying to reimagine the bible through a sci-fi, ancient alien lens. There are a lot of interesting paths it can go down
@@ismu34 why a former Christian?
Correction: pseudo science fiction. Its a hint of science fiction in the form of "stuff to complicated for views to understand" so we won't bother trying to explain it. What?
woow. all this makes so much sense, This would also explain why "engineers" in AC looked so much different. They were just some creation of the already extinct engineers.
My only problem with that is that the Engineer told Elizabeth that Earth was the only successful experiment out of all the many his ancestors had attempted. That would mean that the engineers in AC were the same as in Prometheus.
shinre Not exactly because in the video the script states how the engineers create life and then that life is to come find them or something like that. I think this is what the last engineer meant when he said that humans were the only successful ones. They were the only ones to come find them. I have a feeling that the race from AC was too primitive to find their engineer creators.
Tanner Smith
Ummm they hated us before we tried to find them.
They wanted to wipe us out why we were still technologically primitive.
So based off of this script, the engineers in AC must be a different sort of race just like how the last engineer looked different from the ones in the opening scene.
AC was a rewrite to appease fans for Prometheus's short comings.
Remove the religious BS and this script sounds better.
Planting one person in an isolated area of the world while other civilizations existed all over the planet is a dumb decision to be made by an intelligent civilization.
Now everything is clearer with the plot, it makes sense and everything connected rather than speculated. Personally I love when movies don't explain in detail everything so you have an opportunity to imagine, to think about what you saw and listen to new theories about the movie. I hope you could find the Alien Covenant script, you never know what you could find over there ;). Awesome video like always
+Henbot let me guess... Like so many other re-fucking-tarded dipshits in the YT comments sections who can barely spell, you have a really high IQ, the earth is flat, and we all need to "do our research". Blecch... I know I'm stupid. What's your excuse?
+ Anton Makov
Yeah, but when they explain too little, the audience can mistake their attempt to intrigue us as just poor writing & directing. Damn Ridley! Prometheus would have been a lot more popular if he had just given us some of this sh*t!
Pineal Dreams you nailed it!
ZatoichisCaneSword! The earth is flat.
"A box; simple but complex design"
it's a pretty dick move for a writer to hand this description to the art department.
JackDManheim not really I think just look at the cube from hell raiser. It is very simplistic while still retaining some complex and intricate line work. All in all a box with gold and black markings.
Not that hard, after all here in the US we apparently have "clean coal".
Paul Douglas ...lol
JackDManheim thats what I always get as a 3d modeler
ya also make it round with square angles.
and while we're at it make it light,but dark.
This makes the movie even more disappointing, the failure to convey any of this is pathetic, I appreciate this video more then you can ever imagine.
The director failed to deliver any of the important factors to audience, it is like they only bothered to go through the motions and leave everything else to interpretation based on the vagueness, so much potential for a great story lost/
Seconded, I hope for a series which can explore all of this in detail, I think it would be interesting and entertaining.
So true
facts!! I was so disappointed by the second movie.. especially after hearing they were planning to make 5 of them. Thought they were gonna build and expand onto everything they left unanswered in the first movie but it just collapsed into nothing.. So grateful for this video for explaining what the story should have been
The blood of Jesus...this movie is blasphemy. Not original, and revealing the truth would have ousted it.
@@Sebastian1flevor what was the second one
I love watching these videos before bed. Your sleepy voice with its lack of enthusiasm helps a lot.
I think Promethues was the BEST movie in the entire series and totally pumped new life into the Alien Franchise ....I was looking forward to see the engineers home world and finding out why and how they made us.... THEN the alien fan boys complained so much that theres wasn't enough Aliens in Prometheus Ridley Scott changed the whole script to create another OLD Alien shoot em up... which was bitterly disappointing to everyone i knew that saw it.... to me the engineers are fascinating and I hope for the sake of the movies Ridley ignores the idiots and continues his prometheus series how he intended !
Khaos969 i m totally agree with you
Im a alien fan boy and i loved promethues and hated covenant..
Khaos969 totally agree. Those idiots are the only reason why we got the abomination called covenant. Seriously fuck those selfish idiots!
I think saying Prometheus was best is going a bit too far. I would put it high on the list though. Covenant was absolutely disappointing totally agree.
Khaos969 well now in the 3rd film, we can get their home world
alien producers: so how much christian symbolism do you want
alien writers: yes
Because they are demons they live to copy
@@silvijakucej3696 I'm a Catholic actually
lol religion.
Cry more
@@delightk i...never said i disliked it lol
So crazy intrigued with the engineers. Unfortunate that they just refuse to elaborate on them and continue to just keep throwing more xenomorph variants at us.
dude seriously well done. one of the only youtube commentaries which makes sense of a beautiful, thought provoking movie with alot of grey plot holes. well done bud👍👍👍
Anybody else notice that the engineer writing looked EXACTLY like Sumerian Cuneiform?!...
I thought so too and very appropriately used to add more depth to the story.
I noticed as well. Think it’s there like Salomón suggested, for depth.
Yeah it looks very much like Akkadian
It is Sumerian. I was working on a script about the Annunaki and accidentally ran into the head FX artist of "Prometheus" outside of a bar, because I jokingly wanted a fire for my cigarette and asked him "Do You Have Prometheus?" So you can imagine his surprise. He told me about the movie (more so than his disclosure agreement probably allowed him) and he explained that in the movie they were using the Sumerians as the original people who were contacted by ETs.
Paul Brosam I agree it was definitely added to add more depth to this story.
I can see why they had to cut some of the dialogue and story, people would have melted down with a clear reference to Christianity in any way. Awesome though, unfortunate so much of that was cut especially with the engineer conversation with David and Weyland. It would have added so much context, foundation.
I find it sad when movies like this are gutted. If they added another 20-30 mins to the film it could've been so much better.
Ollie Barbor true but even tho they cut it out it left us wanting more and wanting to know more. So it worked
@@xyoungdipsetx I guess we will just have to wait 10-20 years for a directors cut
You say clear reference to Christianity but it could honestly be referring to anything, including many leading religions. Could have been Socrates. I personally choose to think it was Socrates since he was killed for corrupting the youth and introducing the people to strange Gods. They forced him to drink hemlock. The imagery of him drinking Hemlock is similar to the engineer drinking the lords blood. Anyway, just my thoughts! I’m off to rewatch this movie with all this extra context.
@@jeremyphelps5140 I say that because of the chirstmas tree and baby Jeebus scene that was cut. Some other context was removed. I agree though, they could have done Socrates or similar to get a similar effect. Missing that context guts the movie.
I think it would be better if they made a NETFLIX SERIES about the Engineers, the origins of the Xenomorphs, and all that alien lore... I think the problem is that there's SO MUCH MATERIAL, so MUCH HISTORY, so MUCH STORY and LORE that all of it CAN'T FIT in one movie or even in a trilogy!!
i agree totally
HBO would do justice to this lore
I think that’s essentially what went wrong with Star Wars. I’d love to see something like that because I love Lore, but I’d be apprehensive.
Lore is real booting, 2021
HBO only. Want the engineers suddenly turned out to be African-American trans lesbians of Asian descent?
This would have made the movie like a million times better! And like, it wasnt BAD to begin with. But with this original script, it just would have been a cut above.
This is why the thing his drinks in the opening scene doesn't really look like the black goo in the vases later on, it's actually the real blood of their lord
nokia6630videos and their lord was like
The first type of xenomorph or decon whatever that is? Pretty ironic after all..
Anthony Swiss I think thats it. Pretty crazy dont you think? Also what would happen if we somehow attained some of Jesus blood, analyzed it, and found out that Jesus did in fact have a biological dad? Wouldnt that prove that christianity is a hoax? 😁
Turtle TwisT , actually Italian scientists did test the blood off the shroud, and proved he did not have a Dad.
Now I want to know more about the original Deacon.
Matthew Huttle me too
A nice deacon is unimaginable after all we have seen but so freaking interesting to know about .
A parasite is a parasite, does it matter how nice it is? Wouldn't being nice just be another evolutionary strategy to get the hosts to accept parasitism...
It very likely to be a parallel and polar opposite as the Deacon in the film. That there so much the same yet so much opposite.
they should make a movie about that that .Title -- The Origin of All life
Thank you for posting this! It seems that there are multiple storylines that could be taken with this information to make an incredible movie. The engineers are by far the most fascinating aspect of this and really needs to be explorer further
Its also interesting, because in the original Alien movie 1979 directors cut the xenomorph is hanging in a cross position right befor it kills Brett. same as the picture on wall ;)
So glad to see another video :D I have been awaiting more Alien content.
If only they didn't cut those lines from the movie and didn't left so many stupid actions
(like scientists who took of helmets of their heads in alien world or touched alien form of life). This movie could be in top of all time sci-fi movies, but they ruined it.
Mario Power ...had potential to be the best.that original story n engineers etc.pssss...coulda been just amazing
You really think it could beat Star Wars 4, 5, 6?
alexslykid ....wait im new to the star wars franchise.which is 4? 5? 6?
The Voodoo Child Cubop Güaño Original movies > 4 A New Hope, 5 The Empire Strikes Back, 6 Return Of The Jedi.
Then you have the prequels > 1 The Phantom Menace, 2 Attack Of The Clones, 3 Revenge Of The Sith.
Then Inter-Standalone-Sequel(s)/Prequel(s) > Rogue One, Han Solo(coming out this year), & presumably Obi-Wan Movie in 2020.
Future series > 7 The Force Awakens, 8 The Last Jedi, 9 (Title yet to be out in 2019).
The Voodoo Child Cubop Güaño Also it’s not that important but there are shows series in based in between some of the movies
Congratulations for digging this out and doing all the work. This is in fact interesting. Thank you.
David: How about some music, Mother?
Voice of 'Mother' : Selection?
David: Richard Wagner - Das Rheingold Act II: The Entry of the Gods into Valhalla.
iSm1lez then that scene is played out in covenant as well, when David wakes to meet young guy Pearce. He plays it on the piano
@@mercilessforever Yup and at the end of Covenant to.
David: How about some music, Mother? Mother: Selection? David: Pantera; I'm Broken
doacarnage jajajaja nice one
WOW! This is so great! Please make another video, like this.
The engineers tried to use the blood without realizing they could never "banish the wolf" within it.(Quote from covenant)
The blood would always be a wolf at its core and it would always try to break free of its genetic prison - as evident by all the xeno mutations we have seen.
This means the true origin of the xeno existed before the engineers and what we have seen in the movies so far may not be its true form, as it was corrupted/altered by the engineers.
Further extrapolation - If the engineers used this dna to spawn Earth life...then we also came from it and we have parts of the "wolf" in us.
It could be a link to the biblical notion that Mankind is "born with sin" - Perhaps why they wanted to destroy us.
Are you REALLY believing that you are involved in this totally fantasist storyline ? You might seriously reconsider your sourcing as NOT being MOVIES, which are all fake stories to entertain you... Or your life will soon become a nightmare for you, but also for the people trying to bring you back to reality.
@@justindagame9516 dude you're taking him waaaay too literally. I could be wrong, but I think hes referring to the movies not actual life lol.
@@justindagame9516 lmao calm down. hes just exploring the ideas presented in the film. nothing he said had any indication that he was taking it literally.
Justin Dagame I am god.
@@AI-lf9qb Andy I: I am god
Man with a gun: I'm bout to ruin this man's career!
We really need an extended cut of this film!!
I loved Prometheus and Alien Covenant. But i really want to see more about the Engineers.
Prometheus was good, Covenant was crap.
Charlie Evans - You're more insecure than a cat being hunted by a big dog.
For me that whole movie was about the engineers. who cares about the 'aliens' or whatever they are called, too many movies about them. move on
Covenant broke my heart
Yes I was kinda disappointed we didn’t see that much of them. The film was alright but it was mostly exploring a cave and didn’t explain too much about the start of the film
where did the engineers score their steroids
If you look at the "box" at 03:10 it looks very similar to the sumerian text.
they had their own planet fitness
@@DimiArt LOOOOL , pun intended lol.😂😂😂😂
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I believe MLB or NFL...Barry Bonds or Mark MacGuire?...you know the whole huge arms and balls the size of snow peas routine?..right...shrinks your junk...Then your stuck looking for an Alien to procreate with ...BTW where are the ugly ass female engineers?
Great job. This does tie things up nicely.
I quite enjoyed this film and wish we would have gotten Ridley’s true version of Covenant which better built in the foundation set in Prometheus.
Every time I watch this video, the more I believe that you should write a script for it. Fantastic interpretation my friend, excellent content, made the film much better because now it makes more sense, you have my respect!
Why why why would the production team remove this? 😣 what were they thinking!?
MACK Too much inferance that one of the religions on Earth was from outerspace. there are "conspiracy" folks that think aliens helped earth..yes this is a movie.
most likely, focus groups or maybe staff that are religious may have viewed this as an insult. or a crack at 'that' religion.
strictly from a sci fi point, it seems facinating as a plot. but as i said, some would view it as an attack/ridicule of their beliefs.
I reckon it was to prevent closure. Let's people think about it more
I think that the reason is to have a good, solid, untold backstory. But at the same time to have that feeling of mystery without which the movie would just be too obvious. People love the mistery!
Imagine the backlash if the Engineer that came back was Mohammed and they went along and keep it in the movie. Muslims would be so pissed.
Because it's too focused on Christianity, and religion in general. The way they made it is more mysterious, and makes people dig deeper into the meaning of all the happenings. Dig deeper in the lore. It makes it better overall in my opinion.
Taking a script like this and making it so abstract that instead of conversations about subtle things left out on purpose, and where could the next film could go, you just get people arguing about the reasons things came about, trying to assume what the hell happened and trying to find the logic in major plot holes is not the mark of good production or direction. As much as i love the alien universe, Ridley really messed it up, and nobody can blame the script writer. Thanks for the upload! Good work.
Blame the Censorship Squad!
Agree
1.25x speed is bearable talking speed
It's not just the speed. He emphasized ever other word not much different from a text to speech program. Really unfortunate when you want to explain something complex in over 10 minutes.
Thanks
Really didn't care, it is 3 am tho so maybe if I was awake this would have been less bearable.
THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH. MY HEAD WAS STARTING TO HURT.
Thanks
Sometimes keeping people guessing about what’s going on in a movie makes the movie better but, this is a case where the real story overpowers any guessing that your left wondering about!
And yet here we are, years later still talking about it…
Extremely fascinating stuff! I’ve never heard about these ideas before and I really hope they make a third movie in this prequel trilogy and explore these ideas.
What would have been had this info been fleshed out in the movie. How many people felt shafted from Covenant for this stuff. smh
Ridley doesn't give a shit anymore. Sad...
Sadly too much was cut beforehand or on cutting room floor, fleshed out elsewhere in interviews and/or novelization. You can't get that while in the theater. Yes mystery is fun as long as it's not at the expense of that finite amount of time when the audience sees the same presentation. You can't rely on audiences doing pre and post homework, especially if it comes across lacking or illogical and they stop caring.
Anything even close to early Sumerian Creation writings and Anunaki is never fully developed or is always removed! This is a shame because stories from the Eridu genesis and the book of Enki are super detailed and could be cinematicly awesome! This movie does a descent job of eluding to the Annunaki
That's an awesome connection.
@@haveyouseenhertellmehaveyo7147 0 to 100
Anynaki’s thing , I think it’s really true
Wow!! Brilliant.
@@haveyouseenhertellmehaveyo7147 The "mistranslations" narrative has been firmly disproved by scholarship. They have enough scholarly evidence and manuscripts to affirm the validity of the Bible we have today and this has been the case for at least a decade or two now.
The Annunaki narrative is also extremely false if you understand the actual mythology and not the misrepresentation that the Ancient Aliens crowd and stuff puts out.
Ergo, the Annunaki and the igigi have been heavily switched up due to later eras taking the lower igigi and raising them above the seven Annunaki (seven is interesting because that mirrors the archangles) at some point in history.
The Annunaki (the archangels, I believe), for example, never reproduced with men. Despite the fact that the text idicates that, the name of the igigi actually carries the suggestion of sexual penetration; so the movement of the igigi to a higher status and the lowering of the Annunaki to underworld deities later on in the mythology mixed up the story. (They don't tell you this on Ancient Aliens etc.)
The demotion of the Annunaki being overthrown by the Igigi is incredibly suspect, given that the Igigi by name were the ones who created the viscious nephilim that terrorized mankind in the Bible, also being the ones who would therefore be the parents of demigods and this the long line of tyrannical emperors and kings that have dominated human beings from Sumer to Egypt to Asia to recent Europe, apparently.
It's almost unmistakable to see that the Annunaki were smeared to make the Igigi, and their children and their nations, look righteous to humanity.
Even the identification of Satan with Enki is a smear campaign because Enki and Enlil weren't opposed to one another. I think this is the probably just the first manifestation of the Gabriel smearing that we see in modern art, where Gabriel is always made out to be the bad guy by pagans, for some reason, and always in opposition to Michael. Which is weird as hell when you consider than Michael is the one who is most depicted as fighting Satan in conflicts.
Satan was more than likely a member of the Igigi (the watchers,which is another meanning present within the name, or you could see them as the non-arch-angels). In which case, the pagan attempt to identify him with Enki, and then subsequently making Enki out to be the creator of mankind, can all be understand by the nature of Satan's use of deception.
It's one very convoluted smear campaign designed to hide the ways of Satan and the Igigi. The tactic is replicated in an all of paganism but is best seen in the religions that directly respond to Christ's victory through the cross, such as Gnosticism and Islam. Everything is so extremely reversed and flipped and criss-crossed in those religions that I consider them to be direct, modern versions of the Igigi deception.
(Also, the black community has become notably worse since it abandonded Christianity in the 60's to follow liberalism than it was when it was trying to be faithful.)
This is one movie that NEEDED the entire script acted out!!!!!
Engineers cannot reproduce, just like Elizabeth. This plot makes a lot of sense.
Luneque Silva Junior And yet if you think about it, she is the true mother of the Deacon from the end of the movie. That Deacon came from the Trilobite which she gave birth to. I wonder if that fact would have played a role in the original sequel to Prometheus. Such interesting stuff. It's such a shame Ridley changed directions of the story and went with the absolutely most boring route he could possibly have chosen.
Possibly a flaw in evolution evolving to have incredibly long life counters the need to reproduce ultimately creating their own extinction
Maybe they are all clones . I mean they all look alike . And they use the black goo to reproduce ?
motown ..did you even watch the video?
Chugvrath yes but we don’t know how they reproduce . And they all look the same . Maybe not with the black goo but with the original .
Hey Kroft thanks for making these videos. I really like this movie and love hearing your analyses. It's much appreciated.
Wowwww, absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this upload.
So this script debunks his theory that David doesn’t destroy the engineer homeworld, but another race created by the engineers:
“Yours [life on earth] was the only one that was successful”
"I'm not saying it's aliens, but its aliens"
Nah the sequel to prequel of the original ( jee's try saying that when you are drunk ) is pretty much a rehash of the sequel to the original, is that clear?
I loved the path this new movie about Aliens was going but Ridley messed shit up by listening to the idiots wanting to see the same old alien killing people and shooting him off into space,I wated a long ass time to see Covenent to be disappointed and all that time on that planet and no history at all about the engineers OMFG that at least could have made the movie a lot better
Farid Rodriguez David is the villian...and the movie is about aliens who wind up becoming extremely powerful and could wipe out humanity...that story line wouldn't lineup with the engineers who are very advanced humans from millions of years ago...it was obvious the engineers wanted to kill humans for being a barbaric civilization... David's interjection into the process is the foundation for what the "Aliens" turn out to be.
Thanks for posting this! It makes a lot of sense and I am finally understanding all of it. This makes my fascination of the engineers only growing. I wish there would be a movie just about the engineers!
Thanks for sharing the draft script and some of the missing dialogue, very helpful in explaining the nuances of a great franchise
Space Jesus! The Nephilim! Angels and Demons, Anunaki....,etc......Removed so that Believers and Non-Believers would not get offended....
udmbfck x Telling to much truth.
You know... most non-believers don't care if an original work has religious tones, symbolism and the like in it. It's first when someone takes something that doesn't have religion in it and adds it. Prometheus was an original work with some religious undertones, but it didn't change anything of the original Aliens trilogy. It didn't take a beloved character who had no religious disposition and made him/her into a religious zealot out of the blue.
If they took the original Alien movie and made Ripley a christian fanatic, that would piss of non-believers.
Besides, most non-believers don't get offended that easily. Annoyed perhaps.
Hmm...go to some Atheist boards and see what they think of the whole 'Space Jesus' deal.....I mean that and the fact that the creators in Alien were Nephilim-sized, gives some of them pause to think maybe Scott had some Christian background in this story.
Actually for Non-Believers this should be great, because it gives a scientific explanation for Jesus and all the wonders he did.
udmbfck x No Christian background, he simply is one of the elite, and is telling us the origins of our creation with the Alien mythos mixed in.
Such a fantastic video Kroft.. thanks so much for this extra information !
What about the deleted scene showing the engineer leaving the crashed juggernaut?
The point is - The movie should have been self explanatory to the first time movie goer. You cannot watch a movie, Not figure it out and come backs months later after digging thru the Archives to explain a story. This is very poor editing and not very good story telling. I still cannot figure out what the movie is about? That states the whole problem, right there....
I completely agree with you. And, it seems to be a tendency nowadays. More and more movies are depending on other media to fully tell a story.
It's ok if they want to expand something, or even fill a few gaps, from the movie with books, cartoons, and comics, but they're using other media to finish a poorly tell story.
It's so lame...
I understood the entire movie was alot longer and included scenes about the old man and the Android, before they left earth? It looks like the Director or whoever , finished the movie, Got Paid and let someone else Edit the Movie and could care less....??
Maybe Disney star wars movies are more your speed. The intent of the movie entails a lack of knowing and mystery. Let your imagination do some filling in instead of being spoon fed cgi money grabs (like the aforementioned Disney star wars movies).
The movie is about the struggle of life and death, those who seek to rise above that struggle are arrogant, and will be cast down by life. Those who create life and do not care for it are equally doomed.
ruclips.net/video/4Z-QCDyL2q4/видео.html
Maybe this video will explain some things better.
Why the hell they only took 1 child. If theyre planning to educate the whole planet they could have teach a hundred thousands of them.
Stevenz S there were millions of prophets, we only know of few great ones, so thy did educate . & we killed them all.
2000 years on and we are still talking about and learning from that one child :)
It's just a science fiction movie there's no need of connecting it with real world.
For reference to Christianity and nothing more
@@victorespitia3331 a contrived one at that.
Play it at 1.25x speed. You're welcome.
You sir are a legend ty :D
Baron Von Boom love his videos but...
watched it at 2x, narrator talks too slowly
thank you mannn!!
1.5 is better
You are making so much sense out of this recent series of alien. thank you
This has been driving nuts for years. Glad I stumbled upon this and got my answers. Thank you
i wonder if the original deacon was actually a creature of life, non violent, a complete opposite of the xenomorphs we know
I'm betting it was, but the Engineers fucked up and were punished by the gods for trying to recreate them. And so the blood was flipped on it's head, instead of a beautiful life giving deacon, they got an ugly life destroying deacon.
Arcturus Blake in which way
Exactly! ?????? We'll never kno I guess
barak219 Antichrist?
Your Cringey Gamer I don’t think they got destroyed by gods , considering there’s surely no gods and ( the only kind of thing that is the closest from a god is maybe the black goo) .Also , from the engineers point of view , the deacon was their lord and it’s weird while while being very interesting .
this would fix EVERYTHING. that's why the engineers hate us. we have a complete script that makes perfect sense and instead we make PROMETEUS.
Exactly! Imagine if they went with that storyline; Jesus was actually taught by an advanced alien species and returned to us to teach us. Brilliant.
Toni Larios ridley scott is burnt out and attempts to regain his glory days by chopping up scripts. He does this to create "mystery" because he knows sci-fi nerds think mystery adds depth. In reality, he is just recycling the same old crap. Prometheus, once explained properly, is the only decent movie since Alien. If people realized he is completely out of ideas, it might force him to create something new......
If they did this storyline any mystery that gives life to the Lovecraftian horror would be dead. Prometheus could have been done better of course but the Hollywood suits wanted a slasher so....yeah.
Toni Larios best comment on here so far.
Really bizarre that these details weren't included in the fim. It's no exaggeration to say that Prometheus just doesn't make sense without them.
Also - since we don't know where the original, presumably peaceful, deacon came from, ie. how it came to be born from an engineer and then worshipped _by_ the engineers - it reinserts the central mystery of the Alien franchise; which is: where do the xenos come from? In this script it shows us that the engineers didn't create the deacon, didn't create aliens. Neither did David. The deacon was just something that came from an engineer being 'infected' by some kind of life force. The origin of that 'life force' is a mystery, and mystery is the whole reason why Alien's mythos was interesting in the first place.
Thus we no longer have the(IMO really disappointing) plot point from Prometheus and Covenant where the xenos just turn out to be experiments. It turns out that we have no idea where they originally came from, or rather where their 'ancestors' came from.
They could do a lot worse than making this script canon.
Censorship, exists!
@@illanellinor Oh definitely, I think it would be very clunky. I wasn't suggesting they add this backstory into the films in the future, in a montage or something...but they could accept it as canon and build on it, reference it.
The single most transfixing image in the entire film series in my opinion is the shot of the space jockey. The mystery surrounding that, and the question of how the xenos arose, was always the element that elevated the series(I hate saying 'franchise') above other genre films. It had an enigmatic quality that no other film of its kind had.
And Scott, for some reason, thought that the audience wanted definite, black and white answers to the provenance of the aliens, and the question of what the space jockey was, and so we got Prometheus and Covenant. But audiences _don't_ really want clearcut resolution...what we want is for the mystery to be expanded upon.
That's difficult to do, it's a fine line to walk, but it's much more enjoyable than just saying 'well, the aliens were basically things that a psycho robot made for fun because it was fucked in the head'.
The TV series The Leftovers understood this really well - it never quite resolved the central mystery, it just built on it with each passing season - and Lindelof wrote that along with Prometheus. So he certainly knows how to walk that line between revealing too much and not revealing enough.
I think there was a big clash between Lindelof's original script - which we can see here was very careful about preserving the mystery - and Scott's direction, which pulled that script to pieces and didn't seem to care too much about preserving any sense of the unknown.
@@illanellinor No need to apologise. You seem like you're one of those people like me, who when they start writing find it hard to stop.
The whole plotline is such a tangled mess by now, and like I said it feels like no-one quite knows what to do with it. From what I've seen in this video Lindelof's reference to deeper mysteries, his reference to the origin of the 'good' deacon, was pretty elegantly written: it answered some questions but asked a whole bunch of new ones. But Scott seems to have taken a hacksaw to the script and as a result I watched Prometheus and didn't have a clue what was going on.
And with covenant he seems to have kind of signaled that he's not interested in writing those grand, philosophical, Prometheus-y kinds of films any more. Which would be fine if the characters in Covenant weren't so consistently dumb, and if it hadn't torn the heart out of the series' central mystery by placing the origin of the Aliens in the hands of David and ignoring the question of the black goo itself, which is a much more tantalising question.
It's a good film in so many ways, and the neomorph is terrifying. And David is the star of the film imo, a total scene stealer. But the human characters are so unbelievably dumb throughout that it breaks the credibility of the plot.
...Having said all that I'll still keep watching these films so long as they're not actively bad. The xeno has fascinated/terrified me ever since I first saw it as a kid(I watched the first film w/ my dad when I was seven or something and it's haunted my dreams ever since then) and Ridley Scott still knows how to keep you watching. And I rewatch the last two films just for their high points.
tl;dr: Basically, all I want from future films is that they start putting some of the original mystery back into the film.
@@illanellinor Really? You don't find them at all scary? I think they're the most terrifying 'monsters' in cinema history.
That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the design, because I can. That's what fascinates me the most. They are sleek and...not beautiful, that's not the right word, but perhaps...'elegant'. Efficient. Like a frighteningly pure, powerful car, or piece of machinery, honed for a particular purpose.
The purpose they're honed for in the film is to kill, so it's said from the start...but the other purpose, the _real_ purpose, the purpose that really inspires their design, is to frighten. It's to tap into the most primal reasons why humans fear things. That is why we never see its eyes(even though technically you can see the sockets in some shots). There is nothing more unnerving than not being able to see a person's eyes.
And it breaks one of the main rules of horror: the rule that once you see the creature it's no longer scary. That's not the case with the Xeno. Once you see it...it's even more frightening. And it's also awe-inspiring too. It's not something that makes you disgusted, like The Thing. It attacks a much deeper part of your mind. It triggers much deeper emotions than something
as cheap and lazy as disgust.
It's easy to disgust viewers. It's much harder to do what the alien does to the viewer - which is both chill their blood and fascinate them at the same time.
Re. Giger, I first saw his work in Alien but when I was at art school a friend had a huge book of his stuff - and some of the stuff in it was monumentally fucked-up...
His stuff is very aesthetically elegant, very ornate. Like cyber-baroque or something. It always freaked me out as a kid. He obviously has some kind of handle on how to disturb the human mind.
I remember the scene in Alien 4, where Ripley is exploring the lab with the previous clones in it. I think that might be the single most disturbing scene in any film I've ever seen, and I think all of that is Giger let loose. That scene was completely mental. Giger was a very strange guy.
I'd struggle to ever say his work is beautiful but there is something fascinating about it. Disturbing on a deep level. Not cheaply disgusting, not simple shock value; something more than that. Whatever that 'that' is, it's what makes the Xenomorph so fascinating.
@@illanellinor I have played Isolation. I really stuck with it, and it's a superb game, but it's the only game I've ever played where it was just too stressful to be fun. It is so nerve-wracking. So I never finished it. It's an incredible looking game though. It's a great achievement, I'm just not sure it's that enjoyable to play.
Interesting comments about the neomorph. You're right, they do display a kind of...curiosity...about the world, that the xenomorph doesn't. They're more like the hybrid from the end of Alien 4 in that respect. They are a more sophisticated, subtle version of that(underrated IMO) creature.
My sense was that they were meant to be more childlike than the xenomorphs. I'm not sure they're more intelligent than the xenos - I think that they're less focused, more capricious. They have that frightening characteristic where you're not sure what they're going to do. That's the childlike aspect - like the toddler who's either going to hug the kitten...or throw it out of a window. I think that's what makes the neomorph scary.
I very much liked(maybe like is the wrong word, but I found it illuminating) your allusion to anorexia in the design of the neos. I hadn't considered it at all, but it's evident now I think about it.
Especially when you see it shivering and clucking, with its head downturned and its arms down and behind its sides. Like it's ashamed of its own body.
It's also just occurred to me that they're birthed by being puked out of one of the crew members too. Might be a reference to bulimia.
This is why I find these films so fascinating - because these creatures are so layered and Freudian. The neomorphs were very, very successful additions to the Alien menagerie.
This answered basically every question I had and made this universe even more exciting. Best video in the subject yet!
Engineers equivalent of fallen angels the story line is almost identical
i found this too as real inspiration: check out The Origin of Evil Spirits: The Reception of Genesis 6:1-4 in Early Jewish Literature - "The Rebellion Motifin the Book of Watchers". in short, giants asked God for eternal/prolong their life, he said no and they were punished that after their dead out of their corpses arised evil spirits. similar theme to aliens from corpses of engineers.
So very interesting!
It's almost like the Creators were a master race that conquered their planet and advanced into the Space Age. However, their race was going through Evolution and it resulted in the superior Engineer subspecies, which lost the ability to mate and to reproduce. And a cataclysmic event, like an asteroid shower destroyed their planet Eden and essentially doomed them to extinction.
The only surviving faction would've been the Engineers, so they probably tried to meddle with their Engineer blood to create an Engineer or even a lesser Creator. They were unable to do so, something trivial like "Life" was just out of their grasp even though they were the highest advanced beings in the universe. So they set out to explore, to see if they could find another advanced race or even a solution to their problem.
And so it happened when they explored another habitable planet with life/vegetation. "Alien" (the original creature) attacked and impregnated the Elder/Dying Engineer named "The Lord". It introduced its own DNA into the host. And the "Baby" killed the original host during its birthing, however, because it restarted the Life Cycle this was fine by the Engineers. And since it allowed them to continue their existence it was a solution to their looming extinction.
And the resulting hybrid was "Deacon", the son of "The Lord" father had introduced some "Death" into his DNA. And artificial recreations of his blood kept this defect which the Engineers despised.
When they started seeding planets with a sacrificial Engineer and a sample of the Deakin's blood (organic or artificial), it resulted in the soil/earth multiplying and reproducing a Clone. This was a clone with hybrid Engineer, hybrid Deacon, hybrid planet structure/compound. They did this on several planets, which are in the Zone of Habitable from their neighbouring star.
I believe they ran out of the organic blood, so they made the artificial blood. And the Juggernaut vessel in Prometheus has a lot because it had different variants, and they realised it could be used as a doomsday device in high concentrations/volumes. That's why some of the crew from Prometheus reacted differently to the Black Goo because they were different variants.
When the last of the Engineers found the perfect planet, they named it Eden. But they ran out of the organic blood, and used their "best" artificial blood to impregnate the planet with Engineers. This was afterall the "Star Child" of the Engineers. So humans, ergo Adam, really was created from dirt on Eden. However, the artificial blood had a higher concentration of the Death proponent. That's why Humans were so Engineer-like and clever, but also so barbaric. Evolution did happen, which is why some humans were adapted to the desert, some to islands, and some to the frozen tundra... one of those was the emergence of hair. de-Evolution also happened as some humans evolved into Chimps, Apes, Monkeys and down to small mammals, and reptiles, and amphibians, and fish. The trees, archaea, yeast, bacteria, and virus are native Earth species not introduced by the Engineers.
When the Engineers returned they found the abundance of life, and human advancement, but a lot of violence. So the Engineers had to intervene to correct the pathway by sending natural disasters (Volcano) and a great flood. This wipes out most of the creatures, and sort of resets the planet. Then they saved Lot's/Noah's family, and with guidance of the Engineers (or Angels), on how to live. This created the Monotheistic practice of Religion.
The Engineers had to intervene once more, but this time they kidnapped a Human, fed him well, and brought him up to age with their Engineering education (or dogma). They left this child to again, take control of the religion which was becoming perverted. It did succeed, but post mortem, as the other humans crucified this Messiah. The Engineers witnessed this crucifixion and left back to report, which resulted in the decision to exterminate the entire planet (since they restarted it 3 times before), it was a Bust.
However, an event upon the Juggernaut saw the contamination/release of the Black Goo which killed all the crew except the Last Engineer. Whilst the survivors of the hybrid Engineer-hybrid Deacon people seen on Planet 4 in Covenant were an imperfect race of Engineers, which were created from the organic blood, so they had lower concentrations and tendencies for violence. They worshipped the non-sexual Engineers, and were on-path to inheriting the culture, ideology and technology of the Engineers... until they were killed by David.
The Predators are not related to the Creators, or the higher-evolved Engineers. They have no connections to humans or aliens. The Engineers probably discovered them during their Odyssey and decided to not integrate with their kind. However, the Predators eventually created technology or were given it from the Engineers, which is how the Predators eventually came into contact with Aliens and Humans. And for a brief period they became the highest-tech advanced species in the universe when the Engineers died off, and before Humans were able to do proper space travel (and androids).
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Kangal i urge you to look up gnosticism, psychedelics, meditation, and chanting. we are all a multiplayer game, and there is a mystery/glitch/cheat to reach the gods
I think otherwise. The engineers are simply advanced cybor-beings created to live very long and with no need for reproduction (much like David). The originals die off or became extint somehow and only engineers remain to attempt to revive or recreate an ultimate being (again, much like David attempts with aliens). The irony is rampant.
This is the Bible in Sci-fi form
Ridley Scott is losing his mind leaving out details.
I agree with you man.
Yeah, it makes the movie 10 times better. For sure
Having worked in the film industry....I can guarantee you that the studio and those who fund the film played a huge role in forcing Ridley Scott's hand. Much like they did with Covenant. Ridley had a completely different trajectory to take these movies but at the end of the day...the studios have the final say and are only looking at the bottom line. They dont care if the story is complete or well fleshed out...they want to get the greatest return on their investment while keeping costs down. Sadly this and other franchises will continue to suffer from this very same thing. The only way Ridley Scott could ever truly tell the story he wants is if he funded the entire film himself which will never happen.
probably got something to do with the particular religious history thats infested throughout hollywood.... Im not gunna say it but if your smart you will come to your own realisation.
AmericanPewDiePie if any of these details are actually legit, which was in no way confirmed by this video. This easily could have been a fanfic rewrite to fill the holes in Prometheus. In fact, I strongly believe it is, since its pretty much too perfect. It answers ALL the unanswered questions of Prometheus, and you think the filmmakers just happened to have a script with all the answers and took them out? For what reason? Just to be vague? It makes no sense. This “script” appears to have been created EXPLICITLY answer EVERY unanswered question in Prometheus: if it’s too good to be true, guess what?
Prometheus so underrated. Needs a sequel.
I really enjoyed the movie.
U probably saw alien: Covenant right?!
2 dog shjt sequels later:
Wtf why didn’t this version play out 😭
I know right? When the first film came, I assumed they were just leaving stuff out to explain in a later film. I had no idea they wrecked the story. I don't know if it's Ridley's fault, he did make the movies after all...We really needed this information, this changes my view of the films so much...
I feel like it would’ve fit with the movie perfectly and it would’ve tied in a lot of the aspects of the engineers not liking the humans
I’ll give you one guess why Hollywood wouldn’t want one of its biggest, most successful sci-fi blockbusters to infer that Jesus Christ truly was the savior of humanity. I’m not religious at all, but even I can pick up on that.
michael kelley over religious people ruin good movies
censorship!
Maybe they stripped this out of the Prometheus script to save it for awakening where we finally learn who the engineers are and what they were doing. It's a big part of the story and from a narrative perspective would work as a bond villain type explanation of the master plan just before the end of the trilogy. P.s. Love the videos and don't change your background music, it's perfect for the subject matter!
Nana Weet That's what I think too. Shaw and David would have discovered a lot of what we see in this script while exploring Engineers home world which probably would have been desolate.
Whats the name of the music, please?
So the movie expected us, the viewers, to be smart enough to understand all that?
Justin Ross look up the definition of esoteric...because everything you see has 2 meanings one for the masses and one for the select few who look closely
This movie is obviously to difficult for the none thinkers who don’t have enough knowledge to understand. Just have to stay on your level of intelligence. Sorry but true.
I actually love that the movie left so much unanswered. After all, who are we to think that we, mere humans, should be able to understand the motivations of a far more advanced alien race?
lol idiot. u so smart aint ya
Stephanie Baca sorry but nobody worked all this out by themselves end of
Omg I’ve seen this movie a hundred times and imagined a million scenarios and could never figure out what it all means????... but then I watch this video and suddenly it all makes sense. Thank you 🙏🏻
This clears up a lot of questions I had. Thanks
Excellent video, loved Prometheus and alian covenant
change the speed to 1.25 for better viewing pleasure, it doesn´t even sound sped up when you do...
Yao the Panda lmao i did the same thing after like 15 seconds into the video 😂😂
Thank you for that
I hope we get a proper real sequel to Prometheus, ignoring Covenant completely.
Weird to think that one day we inevitably will be the engineers in the distant future seeding life on other planets as science experiments
Engineers = Annunaki
Exactly
Sitchen was wrong. Google it.
Thank you ..this was awesome.... Makes think...Christ ascended in the last chapters of the gospel.....there is more to life than we know and comprehend....What if tho ...right
Did anyone pick up on David's fingerprint @ 11.15 ?
Mark S he was an Android
Everyone did
Eleven dollars and fifteen cents?
I did. Weyland Corp. ☺️
is there a part 2? very good video. thank you!