I have a theory maybe it wasn't Jesus what if it was Enoch think about it. it says enough was taken to the heavens and told to document what he sees Jesus does disappear when he's 8 but older bibals say he traveled the world to learn ancient mysteries to then return to Egypt at 33yrs old plus Jesus was never in the garden of Eden To me Enoch sounds more compelling and the timeline makes more sense for Enoch then with Jesus
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@@ray9081 I find it entertainment...the dialogue which was cut would be best served in the novel, but for me having that much dialogue with the same end result just slows the film down man...it's not about just being scary it's about keeping the pace...and all this dialogue towards the end or at the pique of the film really fucks up the rhythm
@@ray9081 I'm sorry, but I watch films for entertainment...not searching for the hidden meanings of life inside of them...I read the story of PROMETHEUS once in high school and when I am on the road...so when the film came out I basically knew what the undertones were going to be...so I just abandoned all logic at that point and took in a damn good movie
@@leviclark3822 actually in fairness, the whole point of Prometheus was to explore a grand mythology surrounding the Alien movies (I'm paraphrasing Ridley Scott). I enjoyed Prometheus and still do, but it's core story line was a bit of a confused mess.
@@jimbob4484 absolutely, this wasn't supposed to be a scare fest, it's practically a philosophical origins story of both human life and the xenomorphs. I could have watched a 30/40 minute conversation between david and the engineer quite happily. These deleted scenes really open the film up. I wish we were still getting Alien awakening, but Disney have derailed that for their own standalone film and eurgh the premise is ridiculous.
“Let’s make a prequel that explores the origins of the Aliens story.” “Yeah, awesome!” *cuts the scene from the movie that’s basically the reason for the movie existing*
They should make a movie on some engineers coming to the planet and finding out about humans have been here. And they decide to communicate to us to be able to build back a liveable planet where the alien is now.
It’s possible the Engineer’s had their own creation myth and the prehistoric events shown in the movie was an “unreliable narration” told from their perspective.
@@HISTORYSQUARE: Those Engineers will realize that the humans had thwarted the mission to destroy Earth, and will decide to finish the job themselves. They'll have to deal with all the different face huggers themselves.
Even without the extra lines its clear that the Engineer has taken one look at David and thought yikes, better put an end to this bullshit pronto, before it gets out of hand.
But it explained nothing, instead of showing us what the Engineers are, they decided to make them be one out of plethoras of mankind’s vision of any alien life we have ever envisioned, barbaric and sadistic. If anything that’s a projection by this point, how suprising would it be if there are an actual alien race out there that are the exact same as described in all of our religions’ holy texts, intellectuals being of high self consciousness, acquiescent and adamant on one particular ideology of which to preserve life and admiration to the creators of life. Well that’s not what the Engineers are at all, but still, maybe humans just simply cannot grasp on the fact that an alien species could have an entirely different stance on such reasonings for violence than simply for the sake of violence, like seriously? They decided to go with “Ehhh yeah why not, Im killing you now, for some reason, you’re annoying and you look weird”
Yes, truly astute, perceptive viewers get that. It's yet another example of show, don't tell. All of the ppl commenting on here like rampaging tools who don't understand the story line are the same one want damn near everything laid out for them in some exhaustive, detailed explanation that would make movies like this one 4 hours long. Then those same ppl would moan & groan about the movies being too long. You can't win with them.
@@kevinlakeman5043 "an astute viewer would get that" I think a more astute viewer would've probably had most of their attention drawn away by the steaming pile of garbage one subtle and trimmed down scene was buried in. So no, I don't think it works better "not holding your hand" when it's in the same movie as 2 of the main characters trying to outright a big ship they kamikaze'd turned into the rolling death ball from raiders of the Lost ark IN AN OPEN FIELD. You gotta actually build the rest of the movie around it to set that scene up to actually work like that.
Wrong. I was able to infer much of this back in 2012 when I saw the movie in the theater. I tried to explain this to people at the time and I was met with the predictable "Bro, it's not that deep, you're reading too much into it" comments. The director shouldn't have to spoon-feed the themes of the film to the audience with dialogue like this.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY was this edited out?! WHY?! It's the ENTIRE point of the fucking story! It's the pay off of the entire movie! It's the core, the meaning that was totally absent from the final cut. My God! Insane!
I realized that when I first Watch It. Felt like they missed a whole lot of opportunities when they didn't show enough of the scene between the Engineer and David conversation. Tbh it really didn't need an Alien cameo.
Slot of Ridley Scott movies could have been masterpieces but for some reason his producers always water down the plot to make it super linear. I even liked Fan edit of blade runner with deleted scenes. Hannibal would have been better with the bit where Hannibal helps inspector Pozzi first before killing him. I heard the same thing happened to Black Rain.
No sir. This element implies they rely on telepathy to communicate. Which is super controversial because it relates to actual thingies we do not want our Earthly enemies finding out. It was most likely left out because it behooves the elite to ensure the poor are ignorant to any way that can change the human pecking order of power. How many times have you heard someone relay a close encounter story where "they heard the alien speaking inside their head"? if your answer isn't "a lot" I erg you to now listen out for it in testimonies. It's super common. But your slave masters can't have you pulling up a meditation pillow and speaking to star friends. They need you scared and dumb. Not informed and wise. Think this is horseshit? Good, I live to breathe an other day.
@@docrewYou don't need to make up conspiracies to know that the people in power are corrupt, these conspiracies you believe simply takes the focus of off the actual things the rich and influential get away with which ironically gives them the ability to get away with more things.
@@DeOneandLonely I think it's great for those seeking more. For individuals who aren't as invested into the aliens lore it's a miss to get more fans IMO.
This is what makes Indie genre and B-rated movies satisfying at times. I'm not a fan of these types of movies or series really and even I got hyped to finally get to watch it. It was incredibly bad + slow moving. When things picked up, the randomness started to project every other scene.
"I'm going to make a movie that explains everything, but then I'll delete the only scene where anything is actually explained. The fans will love this." - Ridley Scott, probably.
@Christian well yes. I always thought that the title "Alien" referred not to the creature but to the idea of something being alien. Bizzarre, beyond understanding. To make sequel after sequel to explain and uncover more facts about the creature kind of missed the point, I think. I love Aliens, I really really do, but I think the franchise should have just kept introducing new creatures separate from the xenomorphs. But I think the marketing deoartment had a graph showing increased profit if you stick a xenomorph in the movie instead.
The studio wanted a graphic horror movie not an actual horror movie about questions of existence...im pretty sure the audience also did not want a movie about philosophy
That part may have been too controversial so I could see them editing or rewriting that part only, just because that may have sparked "alienating" a part of the audience (well more of the audience).
@zairman true, just thinking maybe from like how crowd screener might react, alot of times things get cut cause maybe it doesn't screen well with a test crowd, anyways I think the whole dialog would've been great in the movie, and me just watching this video makes me appreciate Prometheus more, cause I thought the story line was pretty good, but didn't make sense why the engineers even ended up there.
@@jari2018 Right! They truly had the potential to reinvigorate the franchise but instead they gave us this then followed it with Alien Convenant. Such let downs. But cest la vie. Here's hoping the next Alien movie is good lol
@@M4PAT well that’s Cus you’re silly. The idea is absolutely nothing new and shows like ancient aliens have talked about it and other ideas for years 😂
Boba Fett used to be cool. Then they gave him backstory. And lines of dialogue, and eventully accidentally turned him face nd utterly gutted everything cool about him. The ide in your head is probably far more rewarding, and if you dont hve your own idea yet, I promise you, its gunn be so mich more fun theorising and finding minor details to form your own idea than anything that will ever be put to film.
@@tickledeggz Boba Fett isn't cool bc Disney fucked him up. There could've been a shit ton of cool ideas for the show but they went the lazy route. Clone Wars and the prequels added more depth to Boba without ruining his character so it was totally possible to do. Sometimes, yes, keeping things a mystery is better but I'm not sure Boba is the best example of something that needed to remain mysterious and unexplained
It is what humanity is basically 'missing'. Its backstory, the meaning of life. This is unanswerable - so tried the movie, to show the senselessness of the search. It failed here in a sense of entertainment, not in a philosophical way. This script is interesting, but too narrowed down on Christian mythology, so I am quite glad it did not make it into the movie. It would have ended up of being equally unsatisfying as the movie there is.
The Engineer attacked most likely because of Wayland's hubris. He says "look at this perfect being i made, I'm just like you, i deserve to be immortal." The Engineer inspects David and then immediately dismantles him and proves Wayland that David is not perfect.
The Engineer off one conversation simply saw that humans have not changed in the slightest. He wakes up from his rest only to see some old piece of shit asking for immortality all while he watches as they beat up a defenceless woman. To top it all off a human tells him he is a God just like them.
I think it still is. I think if it wasn't limited by industry 'standards' and their limitations I would have been stronger. Sometimes it is up to the spectator to answer questions left unanswered....sometimes, they are intentionally left unanswered. Also, there was probably a producer or some non-artist dollar signs for eyes type that thought it would hurt sales to make it "preachy"
Makes me feel sad also as the deleted scenes, the deleted dialogue would have given the move more constructive content & deeper meaning. The trio who sacrificed themselves to stop the ship from leaving & destroying earth, gives their sacrifice greater meaning.
My thoughts exactly. Studio execs get payed a butt load of money but they have no idea about how to make movies. Not the first and won't be the last. They really piss me off. I want to make movies and I will be financing it myself without the meddling of these dumb studio execs who I imagine only got the job through nepotism. Always has been like this in the studios. If you don't agree with them they blacklist you. You don't need these idiots to make a movie. If you're product is good enough the people will watch. If your movie sucks, it sucks!
Wrong. If anything the studio execs were probably begging Scott to include the scene so that the mouthbreathers wouldn't be "confused" by a movie that refuses to explicitly spell out every single element of the plot and character motivations.
This scene would’ve made so many things in Prometheus, and indeed Ridley Scott’s entire Alien universe, so much clearer. Why did they cut it? Thank you for this video! It was fascinating.
@William Bower I think that's about it. The studio wants maximum wiggle room to give themselves options for future movies with regards to scrips/plot. If they show something, confirm something, it becomes canon, and they're basically locked in to it. Better to keep it open and the audience guessing, looking for more is their view.
The only obvious reason: To keep the Aliens anthology going (aka more future movies). We got Alien: Covenent after that and Shaw traveling the universe for the answer that was given in the script but not in the movie itself.
In addition to creating more wiggle room for sequels, I have to think that the average studio exec preparing to launch a big budget blockbuster in the United States would be a wee bit hesitant to have the movie implicitly state that the Christian God was just a bunch of aliens.
This actually makes more more frustrated that they had a much more interesting story available but they decided to scrap it for something significantly crappier.
@@dc345601 no. It's not about the audience. It's that this version has heavy implications regarding religion. To maximize profits they don't want to antagonize large groups of ppl, including religious groups. This version of the script implied aliens trained Jesus, not that he was the son of God. They weren't touching that.
I've seen this movie so many times with different people and they always get to that part and say "Why tf did he do that?" Now I can say "Because studio executives are morons." 🤦🏾♂️
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I thought the same and he was triggered that they hurted Shaw and realizing David is an engineered creation of humankind. That l
I swear it’s a conspiracy they didn’t include this part of the script. This IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE STORY. They literally removed the answers to the whole story.
Yeah, I think the reception to the movie would have bee far better as people would have been satisfied at having actual answers to the question "what's going on!?!?!!?!" Taking this out turned the movie into a nothing-burger.
The extra stuff just paints them as complete idiots! hey check out all this cool crap we've got but we don't think you're ever going to want it for yourselves and you're just going to be content to scrabble around in the mud struggling 🙄
@@evgenigradinar2731: That giant spacecraft hit the ground, and started to roll. Weyland's daughter turned back to see it roll toward her, so she easily could've turned away from the path of that roll. Squished like a bug.
@@evgenigradinar2731 no one in that movie made intelligent decisions..and these were supposed to be scientists. Too many concessions in logic for the sake of convenience.
In movies people have been running down the road to escape a car for just about forever. Even as a child I couldn't believe such a stupid thing was in a movie.
In that scene, the humans actually convinced the Engineer, if he wasn’t already convinced, to continue on to earth and wipe it clean. He meets humans after 2000 years of sleep and at least listens to what they have go to say. They talk about wanting more life even though they have wasted what they were given. They talk about being equal to the engineers and arrogantly show off David, a robot with no soul, as proof of our new equality……that we are creators too! Then they squabble among each other and batter Shaw in front of him. In disgust, the Engineer rips the head off our hollow, soulless “creation” and kills the arrogant Weyland with it. Quite a comment on what he thinks about us and our creations. The Engineer, after witnessing the human circus in front of him, can’t get his ship and deadly cargo into space fast enough. I just can’t believe this scene was a deleted……….it makes the entire movie. Without it, we just think the Engineers are mindless killing machines. Also, the earlier script makes much more sense.
You summarised whole story of Aliens in this small writeup. Im just amazed how this beautiful creative work was totally destroyed by the studios n it's marketing managers. Prometheus is perhaps one of the most epic stories ever told on big screen, it has the potential to fully explain reality of human nature n yet it all was destroyed by creative interference of studios. It needs a director's cut n it's own sequel n prequel to fully appreciate it.
9:11 It's just a story that hints at the basis for Christianity (and the other Abrahamic religions). That's why they left it out: it was both lazy and obvious.
This scene reinforces the idea that the Engineers are indeed mindless killing machines. Making up his mind based off "one human's thoughts and behaviour" would be absolute mindlessness. :D And then his own speech about humans being violent meant nothing if we just killed the humans in front of him, and was about to wipe out all on earth. Hence if this whole dialogue was kept, it would remove any mystery in the viewer's minds. And as someone else commented, it's just lazy writing hinting to Christianity.
I must agree. The movie is an amazing sci-fi thriller but the entire f---ing point of the film is to answer the questions of the meaning of life on earth WHICH ARE DELETED. Wonderful mythology and symbolism without which it's all a big client monster violently killing the crew. Edits have to be made for time and story arc in movies but this cut was criminal. The movie is unsatisfying without it. Thanks to Kroft for sharing it.
Completely agree. the whole premise at the beginning of the film is leading to the origin story. Without this scene in full the movie makes little if any sense. It’s mostly boiled down to bottom line violence and horror. I was disappointed with the film for not delivering or even maintaining the story. Cinematically it is great but without the story it’s just visual masterbation. Film should be a medium for the story. The editor did a disservice to the franchise with this decision.
Can't agree with you enough. The movie itself due to Scott believing he could tell a story just with images was beyond pointless. It made every event that happened largely a huh moment. Like it or not you CAN NOT tell a story simply with images. That's called a Rorschach test and it really comes down to what a persons imagination comes up with. Dialogue though to the current generation is pure poison is the only real way to tell complex stories. (Shy of old fashioned text) Net result what mite have been something worth adding to Scott's original works ended up just feeling like an old man trying to ride on his name. Saddest part is instead of learning his lesson, he made another one.
@@edlux2190 genndy tartakovski called, he's pointing to samurai Jack and primal. You can tell stories visually, but you have to be good at it. Also, Ridley Scott has gone where most sci-fi riders have gone before: "God is aliens, your religion is a hollow lie."
@@hariman7727 A Rorschach test may well give folks the feeling that they see something. Sadly at the end of the day it's what they see. It is not empirical data. So no you simply cannot. You can create a subjective work. But people will take away from it what they will. Which may well have nothing to do what you intended. Scott to me sadly after this feels like one of those old prize fighters that try to make a comeback. But instead just make themselves look like a bad joke. He now gets to be remember as the guy that took a dump on his own work. Lucas famously came off looking the same way after his prequel series. Let's hope this franchise doesn't have happen to it what happened to Lucas one time legacy after that.
Basically our psyche likes stories while part of you is unconsciously seeking truth about who you are, and that interest is known by movie directors...so your interest is high in anything that makes any sense, even if it is just a fantasy like this movie. I think the problem lies in the fact that we grew up in a pool of lies which also was here when our parents were born. So if you believe in evolution, i'm sure you dont, you would not be interested. I think Matrix movie is a much closer to the actuall reality and the quantum "life expirience", which somehow does include material laws of men but also gives you a chance for having more controls on your thoughts that create your reality. Angels can materialise as humans. And souls come from somewhere and go somewhere, but in the ancient times eternal angels fell on earth, materialised and started living amongst men being oraised as Gods. Their children were a bigger statue as giants...the only problem is that their spirit did not came from the same place as you and me, and they are stuck on the planet as "Agent Smith"... Also, saints that have "orbs" around their head go beyond matter and became part of the universe and get enlighten, meaning became light and the orb is an actuall phisical manifestation of harmonics called coherence between brain and the heart. So yes, you are a movie, reality is like a movie and not this power game/status/fame which are lower frequencies which never let you be the light but just a chemical.
Well.. a real reason might be islam. I'm serious. In the West we forget that Jesus is a high profit in the Quran. Just like Mohamed. They would literally take something like this as seriously as a blasphemy against Mohamed. Movies are changed a lot because of this. But I'm not kidding when o say it couldn't be shown to Muslim audiences . But it could literally call for jihad against Scott by a billion Muslims world wide. Dead serious. Movies have been changed before because of it. And that's a huge audience. Hundreds of millions of dollars lost potentially. They love Jesus with the same fanaticism that they love Mo.
I agree that these answers should’ve been in the film but it’s incredibly lazy writing to have 1 scene with a character explaining every question the film asks. Good films have these answers discovered by the characters along the way. This is just poor exposition
@@Francescojg I would say that usually this is the case but in some stories there is no payoff until the end. This is how the story was structured. I think it's a shame they backed out of it
Ridley Scott has had this issue before. Gladiator didn't suffer in the theater, but the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven left out some crucial details.
The lack of explanation at this part of the movie was pathetic. Any additional dialog would have improved this movie greatly. The idea of speaking taking so much of his life force sounds far fetched without some reason why.
I actually thought it was perfect, why would he give time to explain to us humans who are nothing but a failed experiment. We are supposed to be extinct. Also they can't resolve all mistery in the first movie
no..he understand better than any human...he is right..the engineer has told everything to him..humans need to be extinct by a viral spread...its their punishment for crucify their son
No, this backstory sucks. It's a silly idea that aliens, who know everything about the evolution and behaviour of life, would get offended when we act in exactly the way that every animal acts. Life inherently wants to keep living and wants to defend and assert itself. To be mad at that would be to be mad at rain for being wet. Also, if they wanted to teach us to follow their stupid death cult religion, then they are lousy teachers - beneath everything even modern humans know about sociology and psychology. This movie's premise is ridiculous when you think about it.
Yes. These are the kinds of movies that should be remade. Ones that could have been great but didn't deliver, or had a good premise and were just poorly executed. Not the timeless classics they always remake and ruin.
@@terrybatman Imagine Ridley Scott releasing a better version of his own messed up movie after so many years with reshoots. That would be funny as hell 😅
@@jothishprabu8 the problem was this movie was badly promoted. I didn't understand that this movie was in the same universe as aliens and predator till the end when the proto alien emerges from the engineer.
We created you but you turned to be evil so we decided to kill you but not by releasing simple cold virus but by most elaborate biological and evil weapon in the galaxy - What part of this utter gibberish sounds wonderful? :D
I think exactly the same, when I went to see Prometheus at the cinema at the time, I was expecting a story like the one mentioned in this video. A shame. Greetings from Argentina.
None of this should have been cut. The storyline of the Engineers was so damn incredible and with all the extra scripts and dialogue ..could've made it the best sci-fi film imho. Damn we need "Paradise" or a miniseries of just the Engineers story. So interesting and almost feels like it could be real. Tighten up Ridley..PLEASE! Dont let us down
@Attila Csakberenyi Totally agree, it was such a dire film that I doubt anything could be done to save it. I saw it at the cinema with a couple of friends so unfortunately couldn't walk out from the boring, badly directed piece of junk.
@Attila Csakberenyi I feel like fans of prometheus don't overlap with alien fans much. Totally different interests. I'm big into this rash of high concept sci-fi and religious fiction stuff. Westworld, and scotts raised by wolves. I actually don't care about an alien threat beyond its use by a more interesting, technologically advanced, creator deity race. That shit sounds dope. Maybe the alien queen could've been more sentient or something. But the fictional genesis type stuff just attracts a different crowd.
I remember watching this movie and thinking “this is the part where we’ll get answers…” and all we got was big dude tears head off the robot for no reason. Thanks for this video. Not only does it makes sense, but it also gave it meaning. A detail that would have prompted discussion. What a missed opportunity.
The engineer explained himself by ripping the head off the AI robot which deceived the crew and was obviously an enemy to mankind... It was sign language. A sign.🤔
Exactly what I thought. Because he thinks in creating David, he is a God, but ignores the gift engineers gave us of procreation. Saying he made David in his own image makes him a God while ignoring his daughter who was literally made in his image. The ability to make life, the one thing that makes us "God-like". And that's why the movie always shows Weyland basically being a dick, and ignoring his own daughter for David.
How and why did David become PURPOSELY devious, hence sinister and eventually DANGEROUS to HUMANKIND is what captures profound interest. The INSIDIOUS action of David,his reticence to fully translate dialogue is scary.
Maybe David's moral degeneration reflects his desire to be more genuinely human, and that unfortunately also includes dishonesty, a desire for power over others, and other nasty stuff that has led to the destruction of "Eden" and a planet full of human suffering, also inflicted by short sighted, greedy humans.
Its the part of us that's evil. We were created with a sinister side in us. And whatever we created would mimic that side of us. Like the scriptures say, God created man in his own image.
Given Weyland was David's creator, David appears to have absorbed his creators underlying bad moral/social traits. His persona ultimately is dependent on his programming, and presumably the influence of Weyland would be the strongest and probably the most influential contribution to his character. If only he had been named Jarvis....
I am astounded that they threw all of that away and just made it to where the engineer pulls David’s head of on a whim. This would have made the ending much more satisfying.
David:”This man is here because he wants to live forever” Engineer: “Brah…for what? To eat apple sauce and play Bingo?! “ Engineer gets triggered by stupidity and tears Davids head off and slams Mr. Burns with it and proceeds to destroying earth with a clear motive now.
@@duanecarr6712 so why dont you do your part instead of being in a world you hate and do us all a favour, stop trying to sound deep and philosophical you numpty
It seemed like the Engineer was genuinely fascinated and impressed by the existence of David but was so furious at the audacity of Weyland to make his request based on his alleged equivalence to the Engineer's species that he decided to destroy that great achievement before attacking everyone else.
As an interpreter I have a hard time believing that David’s mistranslation is just a mistake. David is perfect in everything that he does (in a scary way, might I add). After years of him speaking many languages it is not likely that David ignores the basic rules of interpretation protocol, starting with: do not omit or add anything to the original message, just pass it on as accurately as you’re able to. I believe that David actually has a malicious intent behind these deliberate omissions.
I agree especially after watching alien covenant. Although I wouldn't say malicious because it assumes he knows the difference between good and evil 🤔... Maybe malicious from our perspective lol
@@Oscar44443 lol I don't blame you for thinking that. But how can a robot be evil? For example when a lion kills a gazelle in Africa does it become evil?
The Engineers, their society and all the mystery surrounding them is what made me fall in love with the franchise. It is sad that they wasted alot of potential with them
Yes, it's a fan script. There's no doubt about this at all. Lindelof has confirmed that he did not write it. Recently a fan called Mark McAllister has confirmed that he was the real author.
@@Huhdoebruh bummer. The person who wrote that shoulda helped on the movie. It truly does make thi gs way more fleshed out. Amazing how 2 minutes of talking could make an okay movie great.
The original script and conversation between the engineer and David made this a coherent movie. It’s a shame that it was cut. Probably too Jesus for Hollywood.
I feel like it’s the opposote, a lot of movies love to take stories of Jesus and other religious figures and make it a part of their story. Maybe not as blatant as this thoigh. I thibk some of this would be interesting, but the Jesus angle doesn’t make sense. Why would they even expect anyone to listen to him, especially since they picked a group of people who didn’t have a lot of influence in the world
If by 'too jesus' you mean it might have offended jesus-freaks, then yeah that's probably it. They were probably worried some of the american "christian" fanatics would have a cry/mass shooting, and that might hurt sales/reputation. A shame really as this seemed like it was pretty integral to the movie and its themes.
Jesus really? Why did they have to link this to the Christian faith. Honestly I prefer it left unknown. Just mixing religion and science doesn’t make sense.
It's been said literally thousands of times at this point, but without the scene of the Engineer and David talking to each other, this movie was just another "big space" cash grab movie. I've always loved it, and I won't deny that, but with the scene between David and the Engineer, it makes so much more sense, it's such a deeper, more meaningful movie, and I'm heartbroken that the entire conversation went to the wayside for the theatrical release. Wow. This could have been great.
It seems like the "powers that be" were worried about the fact that the Engineers created Jesus. I mean, the religious nuts already have a problem with science fiction, however, when you mess with the Bible's writings, most especially Jesus, you're going to get cancelled.
Well remember, the best line from Bladerunner was an adlib “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.” Though, sometimes the exposition dialogue feels a bit forced…I understood all of what was said without it being said. I thought the clunky part of the movie was how much better some actors/actresses were so some of the scenes felt like sketches duct taped together. Naomi Rapace should have been given the movie from the beginning…
1. Not everything evolves in crabs. 2. Crabs also evolve in something else so it is not like "crab is the final forme of evolution" it just a thing that appears often.
They didn't cut this dialogue out of the movie. It's a fan script and was never part of the production. Credit for writing that line goes to Mark McAllister.
It’s profound to try and imagine what the engineer is thinking in this moment. He wakes up and doesn’t expect this and he has to interpret our entire existence based on this one exchange.
Whoever decided to cut this scene and remove this dialogue sequence must have been an idiot of extraordinary proportions. Why? Because he took away the answer that all the fans of Alien were desperately hoping and waiting for.
This scene would offend christians and jews. Prometheus was heavily linked to Jesus and removing all references to stay politically correct killed the movie.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 I'm one of those, and it doesn't offend me. If someone wants to be offended, what they left in is more offensive than what they left out. And we like talking about this stuff.
Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have removed their helmets? When the guy narrating this video says the engineers can live long but speaking drains them, I think it's actually human respiration that is affecting the atmosphere in that chamber which is why the engineer isn't recovering from his hypersleep quickly.
I bet it went: - so, we have to cut something or it gonna be too long - hey, what about the scene where they fight for like 10 mins with the alien on the wing of the spaceship? - nah, just cut the dialogue, nobody will get it anyways
@@Ginger.K97 you're dumb. It being fiction does not mean it has to be shallow and mediocre. And yes, them losing lifespan from talking is absolutely dumb
@@shockwave.9749 for real, at least give a compelling reason for why they can’t speak much. A poorly thought out idea doesn’t make the aliens seem “mysterious” or “otherworldly”, it’s just a poorly thought out idea lmao.
This part is so good, it’s the whole point of the movie and gives contrast to the female character carries her cross necklace and believes in Jesus. That part would have made this whole movie better.
Im surprised any of the christianity stuff made it into the film at all - I think all this was cut because it was felt by execs it would test poorly with modern/foreign markets.
Dude, I was looking forward for this part in the movie. I literally expected something of this level in the movie, and when it ended, it didn't make any sense. I knew something was up. I can usually decipher the story through how the writer thinks and how he wrote the script which revealed to me that something of this magnitude was coming but it never did. I 100% think that leaving this piece is the movie would have made the movie perfect and probably one of the best movies of all time. Now, its simply a movie people forgot about. I almost didn't even wanted to watch this video and would have never known the real masterpiece that it should have been. Glad I clicked play.
@@minimushrom because thats his opinion. Its the internet bro. Why is his response any less valid? Why should people only respond positively? Why are you intolerant of pessimistic people? Let him answer his and you answer yours. Could of answered with something more philosophical but instead you chose to be a pretentious internet sjw but ended up looking like a clown instead.
The problem with the dialogue is that it's too specific. It spells out everything. Ridley Scott wisely decided that they shouldn't spell it out, but instead of replacing it with something more enigmatic, he just gave us nothing at all, which is too far the other way.
Dude, you've done such great work here in 16 minutes. I've asked other people to help me understand this movie, and I've rewatched it myself with them trying to understand it better. But I think you have a finer grasp on it than the rest of us. Thank you heaps for researching this topic.
Sadly, I went into Prometheus and Covenant believing we'd get the explanation of the xenomorph through the Engineers story. Instead I still don't understand how they traveled the universe and created life, when they lived in huts.
@@gonzotolkien they didnt just live in huts though. Who built the structure they're spending time in, in Covenant for example? Oh, and they also had space ships and the ability of interstellar travel obviously. Now, I'm not saying the engineer story we get in the movies are great, but I dont think you have a point either.
@@Driblus Both of those structures you just named are abandoned and old places, not the tech the Engineers were currently using. They appeared to have declined as a civilization and no longer going around in spaceships. Otherwise, they wouldn't have just stood there yelling and been killed off if spaceships were still their norm. And there would've been more than one city. You bomb a human city, other humans would show up.
The punchline being that Jesus was an alien apprentice and that a species who are morally outraged by violence will also rip heads off and engineer monsters who burst out of stomachs to murder everything that moves? I don't think this is a fair analogy, this movie IS a joke (not LIKE one). The whole movie and its sequel are a laughingstock. There's only Alien and Aliens, all this other nonsense is a cash grab.
As someone who saw the movie once and thought it was boring and confusing. This scene alone would have changed my entire perspective on the movie. Why?? Why would they cut it out??
@@funkyfiss Because it's actually silly if you break it down. What the Engineer implies with the cut dialogue is that they (the Engineers) expected humanity to be like them, but didn't actually do much to ensure that we did, and when they wanted to teach us how to be like them they decide to tell only ONE guy (Jesus reference), and actually expected for the whole of humanity to just believe this one guy? lol, perhaps David should've asked if the Engineers where all stupid, or at the very least shortsighted and delusional. It's like expecting a child to teach itself to speak, and when it fails you decide to "terminate" it. Uhhh didn't you knuckleheads create us in YOUR image?
Not providing these answers is fully in line with the element of cosmic horror, which relies on unfathomable ambiguity and mystery, so I get that idea. However, this decision contradicts so many other aspects of Prometheus (and Covenant), which DO provide answers on the creation of the Xenomorphs and mankind's connection to the Engineers and the black goo, which takes away from the cosmic horror mystery of the original Alien movie. I don't mind Prometheus giving us some answers - in fact, it's the lore that I find the most fascinating about these prequels, but from that perspective, we really should have gotten this final and most crucial answer. Whoever wants to maintain the mystery of the original Alien movie can just ignore Prometheus and its lore, while those interested in answers could fully appreciate this prequel.
Was very disappointed that Ridleyonly wanted to go down the alien stuff. I would have give so much more to see an Engineer series of movies. Love Prometheus and the added back Engineer conversation.
He actually didn't want to do movies about the Aliens, his trilogy idea was supposed to be focused on the engineers. problem was Prometheus was massively dissapointing to audiences so he tried to please them by making Covenant more Alien focussed. Unfortunately audiences didn't like the idea that David created the Aliens so Covenant was poorly received as well. His original idea of what Covenant became was supposed to be Shaw and David exploring the Engineer homeworld and getting answers (likely giving us the info that was removed from Prometheus).
@@MarshallStrider the unsophisticated Alien fanboys wanted monsters and gunshots - they were not interested in anything resembling the deep and daring philosophical questions Prometheus promised, so they caved and gave them the dog shit that is Covenant
It makes perfect sense now. Ridley sacrificed the tone of the franchise in order to make a deep philosophical criticism of humanity. Then cut the critique, the entire point of the film. We were given an empty shell of a movie. That only accomplished one thing. It made the beloved Alien less interesting.
Yup, good assessment. I was scratching my head trying to follow their thought process in the movie. Now we know why the Engineer was headed for Earth...and why they had to ram it's ship. Why cut that out? Chumps
He didn't kill David, he merely ripped his head off. David wasn't alive as a biological being, he was was a cybernetic creature. Ripping his head off wouldm't kill him.
They should’ve followed the OG Alien:Engineers script for that part of the movie while still adding in the whole Engineer dialogue. Would‘ve made this movie a masterpiece. Also they could‘ve cut the Deacon entirely and made it a Xenomorph who then evolved into a Queen, who then laid Eggs on the Engineer‘s ship, leading to the events of Alien. But of course they had to go with the stupid idea of David creating the Xenos. What as shame
@@orthocoinbitzantium1002 well that is not how i have seen it and i agree with you if engineers where really peacefull they wouldnt just whipe humans out they would try to help them
@@orthocoinbitzantium1002 not really. You have a mad dog, you put a mad dog down for it's own good before it causes more damage. He was doing what he felt was necessary as their creations were flawed and violent
The scenes cut out of Prometheus made the film kinda bad. These 2 minutes of this scene and the seconds where the biologist found the little work would have made this movie so much better to watch.
No, it's better with these scenes taken out, because this backstory sucks. It's a silly idea that aliens, who know everything about the evolution and behaviour of life, would get offended when we act in exactly the way that every animal acts. Life inherently wants to keep living and wants to defend and assert itself. To be mad at that would be to be mad at rain for being wet. Also, if they wanted to teach us to follow their stupid death cult religion, then they are lousy teachers - beneath everything even modern humans know about sociology and psychology. This movie's premise is ridiculous when you think about it.
"Yeah, after you killed our homie Jesus we just gave up on you, maaan," is the most batshit insane thing an 8 foot tall off-white Space Man could ever possibly tell a group of astronauts.
Context is important, and much of the scene with the engineer left me scratching my head. I wasn't understanding why he killed everyone, until now. Directors can really tank world building, especially in sci-fi and fantasy, when they remove important discussions or interactions between the characters. In this case, removing the translated speech robbed the viewer of understanding and soured the viewer's opinion of the Engineer...because the entire scene lacked context.
@@PoombaiNews Screw them, then! This is the 21st Century for f@#$ sake! They shouldn't feel insulted by a work of fiction! _(and personally, I never approved of that sentiment, out of any religion)_
@@PoombaiNews no they won't . honestly if anything its pro religion. violence is an evolutionary necessity if your an athiest . if your a religious person you would argue against violence like the engineer.
@@phgamer4393 Religion has been the most used excuse for war and genocide in human history. The more devout they are, the more the religious types see murder as negotiable
This would have absolutely made the movie an amazing philosophical sci-fi masterpiece. Particularly if they had just stuck with LV426 and not tried to expand the story. That David ended up making the xenomorphs is probably the most disappointing aspect of the new films.
David only made his own variants of xenomorphs. The ship had statues and reliefs of xenomorphs in it. The engineers knew what their creations final form was for millennia.
The most unbelievable idea in this movie is how Shaw was able to basically run several marathons, 30 seconds after giving herself a flipping C-Section.
It's such a far cry from Ellen Ripley. What I liked most about her is that she was simply trying to do her job, not walk around with an agenda. She just wanted to protect those she cared about, and she was a terrific foil for the audience who could see what she saw. Shaw, much like the rest of the characters, doesn't seem to act like a scientist, and least of all a rational human being. It's a sign of lazy writing and studio exec meddling that creates these throw-away characters. They seem to exist merely at the behest of a movie which, might've made sense at some point, but ultimately got hacked and sliced into an inconsistent mess. A mess created by a committee of shareholders who dictated whatever they wanted, regardless of it making any sense.
David, "This one man named Weyland is greedy and wants eternal life." Engineer, "Okay, but I'll kill you too for some reason." David, "But muh individualism!" Engineer, "No, collectivism! All humans evil because some were! Reeee"
The only reason they would have cut these interesting historical and theological connections was because tout was too complicated and controversial for many. I enjoyed Prometheus and would have loved to watch an extended version illustrating all connections here. I now have a new appreciation for the movie…
Prometheus was a good movie except for the Jesus part you could tell that the engineer body language and his mannerisms you could figure it out without all the extra dialogue but it would have been nice in the movie have Been fan of all the movies have watched them in Chronicle logical order
@@gustavinus I tend to agree. The real irony is that what caused the film to absolutely blow was the same reason the Engineer was enraged at man. Hubris. The hubris of thinking you can sacrifice narrative, pathos and a cogent emotional plot in favor of pretty CGI and great set dressing. The movie as it stands is an incoherent mess
These deleted dialogues answered all my questions with the movie for years. I was like "what the heck why would the engineer suddenly went crazy if he's one of the smart *ass creator he would at least respond in some less barbaric way" when i first watched it cuz i watched the version where he didn't talk at all.
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I have a theory maybe it wasn't Jesus
what if it was Enoch think about it. it says enough was taken to the heavens and told to document what he sees
Jesus does disappear when he's 8 but older bibals say he traveled the world to learn ancient mysteries to then return to Egypt at 33yrs old plus Jesus was never in the garden of Eden
To me Enoch sounds more compelling and the timeline makes more sense for Enoch then with Jesus
Even with all the dialogue it’s a shit movie. The Jesus referece is cringy as hell.
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Why is the captioning not in ENGLISH?
The engineers are Chads of the universe.
So they replaced a scene that would have been the philosophical core of the movie with "scary monster wakes up and attacks spacemen".
@@leviclark3822 Who finds this shit scary anymore ?
@@ray9081 I find it entertainment...the dialogue which was cut would be best served in the novel, but for me having that much dialogue with the same end result just slows the film down man...it's not about just being scary it's about keeping the pace...and all this dialogue towards the end or at the pique of the film really fucks up the rhythm
@@ray9081 I'm sorry, but I watch films for entertainment...not searching for the hidden meanings of life inside of them...I read the story of PROMETHEUS once in high school and when I am on the road...so when the film came out I basically knew what the undertones were going to be...so I just abandoned all logic at that point and took in a damn good movie
@@leviclark3822 actually in fairness, the whole point of Prometheus was to explore a grand mythology surrounding the Alien movies (I'm paraphrasing Ridley Scott).
I enjoyed Prometheus and still do, but it's core story line was a bit of a confused mess.
@@jimbob4484 absolutely, this wasn't supposed to be a scare fest, it's practically a philosophical origins story of both human life and the xenomorphs. I could have watched a 30/40 minute conversation between david and the engineer quite happily. These deleted scenes really open the film up. I wish we were still getting Alien awakening, but Disney have derailed that for their own standalone film and eurgh the premise is ridiculous.
“Let’s make a prequel that explores the origins of the Aliens story.”
“Yeah, awesome!”
*cuts the scene from the movie that’s basically the reason for the movie existing*
That’s the studios fault they cut the movie the way it is also the writers is terrible lindeoff is a crappy story teller and bad at dialogue
They should make a movie on some engineers coming to the planet and finding out about humans have been here.
And they decide to communicate to us to be able to build back a liveable planet where the alien is now.
So the movie ‘The Passion of the Christ’ can be reinterpreted as part of the Alien storyline cannon?
It’s possible the Engineer’s had their own creation myth and the prehistoric events shown in the movie was an “unreliable narration” told from their perspective.
@@HISTORYSQUARE: Those Engineers will realize that the humans had thwarted the mission to destroy Earth, and will decide to finish the job themselves. They'll have to deal with all the different face huggers themselves.
Even without the extra lines its clear that the Engineer has taken one look at David and thought yikes, better put an end to this bullshit pronto, before it gets out of hand.
Lmao
And get out of hand it did
But it explained nothing, instead of showing us what the Engineers are, they decided to make them be one out of plethoras of mankind’s vision of any alien life we have ever envisioned, barbaric and sadistic. If anything that’s a projection by this point, how suprising would it be if there are an actual alien race out there that are the exact same as described in all of our religions’ holy texts, intellectuals being of high self consciousness, acquiescent and adamant on one particular ideology of which to preserve life and admiration to the creators of life. Well that’s not what the Engineers are at all, but still, maybe humans just simply cannot grasp on the fact that an alien species could have an entirely different stance on such reasonings for violence than simply for the sake of violence, like seriously? They decided to go with “Ehhh yeah why not, Im killing you now, for some reason, you’re annoying and you look weird”
Yes, truly astute, perceptive viewers get that. It's yet another example of show, don't tell. All of the ppl commenting on here like rampaging tools who don't understand the story line are the same one want damn near everything laid out for them in some exhaustive, detailed explanation that would make movies like this one 4 hours long. Then those same ppl would moan & groan about the movies being too long. You can't win with them.
@@kevinlakeman5043 "an astute viewer would get that" I think a more astute viewer would've probably had most of their attention drawn away by the steaming pile of garbage one subtle and trimmed down scene was buried in.
So no, I don't think it works better "not holding your hand" when it's in the same movie as 2 of the main characters trying to outright a big ship they kamikaze'd turned into the rolling death ball from raiders of the Lost ark IN AN OPEN FIELD. You gotta actually build the rest of the movie around it to set that scene up to actually work like that.
Whoever made the decision that this dialogue shouldn’t be included in the movie should NEVER be involved in filming anything again
It’s because they hide the truth.. this movie is more than just a film..
@@SithPlayss facts
Wrong. I was able to infer much of this back in 2012 when I saw the movie in the theater. I tried to explain this to people at the time and I was met with the predictable "Bro, it's not that deep, you're reading too much into it" comments.
The director shouldn't have to spoon-feed the themes of the film to the audience with dialogue like this.
@@homelander7742 I think I found the guy who made the decision lol
@@SithPlayss ANNUNAKI
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY was this edited out?! WHY?! It's the ENTIRE point of the fucking story! It's the pay off of the entire movie! It's the core, the meaning that was totally absent from the final cut. My God! Insane!
the powers that be in hollywood forced him to cut it out because its too close to the real history of humanity
because of religious references im guessing.. they feared a backlash from basically either side of the aisle so they went with something less
@@KrGsMrNKusinagi0 100% this, and in the process of cutting it out, destroyed the meaning of the movie. We need a Snyder Cut!
@@victorhayes5471 Grab your 'Snyder cut: Alien/Prometheus' protest boards! We storm the Snyder's lawn at dawn!
@@alantonix213 LAWN AT DAWN! LAWN AT DAWN! LAWN AT DAWN!
Skip to 5 minutes. He actually starts telling you what's on the script.
Doing the Lord's work by stopping these yappers, respect.
Thank goodness for you. I can't stand when people fluff up their videos.
@@derek96720the script is fake, look it up
@@NaderinZimfake script
Yeah, he fluffed up the video for monetization, I'm sure
Years later, I realize this movie could’ve been a masterpiece..
So damn true!!!!!!!
I realized that when I first Watch It. Felt like they missed a whole lot of opportunities when they didn't show enough of the scene between the Engineer and David conversation.
Tbh it really didn't need an Alien cameo.
Slot of Ridley Scott movies could have been masterpieces but for some reason his producers always water down the plot to make it super linear. I even liked Fan edit of blade runner with deleted scenes. Hannibal would have been better with the bit where Hannibal helps inspector Pozzi first before killing him. I heard the same thing happened to Black Rain.
I've always rated this movie, though yes, there are some glaring problems with it that prevent it from ever reaching masterpiece status.
@@grizzlygamer8891 which flaws? Please be explicit.
Edit: otherwise you're just full of shjit.
“Speaking takes away years of their lives”, they’re an entire civilization of introverts.
No sir. This element implies they rely on telepathy to communicate. Which is super controversial because it relates to actual thingies we do not want our Earthly enemies finding out. It was most likely left out because it behooves the elite to ensure the poor are ignorant to any way that can change the human pecking order of power. How many times have you heard someone relay a close encounter story where "they heard the alien speaking inside their head"? if your answer isn't "a lot" I erg you to now listen out for it in testimonies. It's super common. But your slave masters can't have you pulling up a meditation pillow and speaking to star friends. They need you scared and dumb. Not informed and wise. Think this is horseshit? Good, I live to breathe an other day.
@@docrewYou don't need to make up conspiracies to know that the people in power are corrupt, these conspiracies you believe simply takes the focus of off the actual things the rich and influential get away with which ironically gives them the ability to get away with more things.
Yeah that sounds good but not true they may have stopped verbally talking because of higher intelligence . Being able to speak in other ways
@docrew
What?
This is a movie, not reality.
People can't take a joke lmao, I found this comment hilarious
Deleting this part of the movie is like David ommiting parts of the Engineer's speech. It's almost malicious and down right cruel.
But the fact that they left it out and years later we are still talking about it and learning more, really makes it great in a different way.
@@DeOneandLonely I think it's great for those seeking more. For individuals who aren't as invested into the aliens lore it's a miss to get more fans IMO.
Almost? No, it is
@@DeOneandLonely yea no. Taking that stuff out ruined the movie. It's literally key to tying the storylines together
@@neowolf09 and yet here you are talking about it
The director destroyed his own movie by cutting out everything that was needed to make it work. Insane!
This is what makes Indie genre and B-rated movies satisfying at times. I'm not a fan of these types of movies or series really and even I got hyped to finally get to watch it. It was incredibly bad + slow moving. When things picked up, the randomness started to project every other scene.
Studios recut the Film. Studio had final cut.
Why
Just why?
Clearly you've never seen a Lindleof work. Dude's trash.
@@youtubeisevil7487 ooh i see
"I'm going to make a movie that explains everything, but then I'll delete the only scene where anything is actually explained. The fans will love this." - Ridley Scott, probably.
@Christian well yes. I always thought that the title "Alien" referred not to the creature but to the idea of something being alien. Bizzarre, beyond understanding. To make sequel after sequel to explain and uncover more facts about the creature kind of missed the point, I think. I love Aliens, I really really do, but I think the franchise should have just kept introducing new creatures separate from the xenomorphs. But I think the marketing deoartment had a graph showing increased profit if you stick a xenomorph in the movie instead.
@user-ic6hk5of5y But this is the whole reason of the movie, to explain the origins of the aliens.
Christian, not everyone likes blue balls. What you described is religion pointless crap that is not entertaining
The studio wanted a graphic horror movie not an actual horror movie about questions of existence...im pretty sure the audience also did not want a movie about philosophy
People will rather be confused than bored
The implication that the Engineers educated Jesus and sent him back to Earth to teach humanity only to watch him be punished is wild but really cool.
That part may have been too controversial so I could see them editing or rewriting that part only, just because that may have sparked "alienating" a part of the audience (well more of the audience).
@@djExquiz Who cares? It's a movie. They should have left it in. Theirs way more controversial stuff than that in real life.
@zairman true, just thinking maybe from like how crowd screener might react, alot of times things get cut cause maybe it doesn't screen well with a test crowd, anyways I think the whole dialog would've been great in the movie, and me just watching this video makes me appreciate Prometheus more, cause I thought the story line was pretty good, but didn't make sense why the engineers even ended up there.
It's way too out-there for me, I'd laugh my ass off if I heard that in the theatre lol
And equally as fictional as the original story in the new testament...
The Engineers deserve their own movie.
That would be assume
I dont think they'll do it tho.
Meet the engineer
that might be too revealing. If we see too much of them, it might destroy the greatness and mystery of the engineers.
@@SlothMan2 That would be the name of the reality show !
The Director didn’t kill the scene. The studio did.
Studios normally do destroy the true potential of movies!
@@WraithOfKah They did choose wrong actors/actresses in the casting and then bothed the script (kiddified) and then the cgi
@@jari2018 Right! They truly had the potential to reinvigorate the franchise but instead they gave us this then followed it with Alien Convenant. Such let downs. But cest la vie. Here's hoping the next Alien movie is good lol
Something tells me the studio wasn't comfortable letting the audience know too much truths. Yeah I said it
@@M4PAT well that’s Cus you’re silly. The idea is absolutely nothing new and shows like ancient aliens have talked about it and other ideas for years 😂
That’s the one thing the entire alien franchise is missing. The engineers backstory.
Boba Fett used to be cool. Then they gave him backstory. And lines of dialogue, and eventully accidentally turned him face nd utterly gutted everything cool about him. The ide in your head is probably far more rewarding, and if you dont hve your own idea yet, I promise you, its gunn be so mich more fun theorising and finding minor details to form your own idea than anything that will ever be put to film.
What are you talking about? Alien franchise is nicely wrapped trilogy.
@@tickledeggz Boba Fett isn't cool bc Disney fucked him up. There could've been a shit ton of cool ideas for the show but they went the lazy route. Clone Wars and the prequels added more depth to Boba without ruining his character so it was totally possible to do. Sometimes, yes, keeping things a mystery is better but I'm not sure Boba is the best example of something that needed to remain mysterious and unexplained
It is what humanity is basically 'missing'. Its backstory, the meaning of life. This is unanswerable - so tried the movie, to show the senselessness of the search. It failed here in a sense of entertainment, not in a philosophical way. This script is interesting, but too narrowed down on Christian mythology, so I am quite glad it did not make it into the movie. It would have ended up of being equally unsatisfying as the movie there is.
they do, "Fantastic Planet" a 1973 animated movie (I'd recommend a sober watch of the movie too 😅)
The Engineer attacked most likely because of Wayland's hubris.
He says "look at this perfect being i made, I'm just like you, i deserve to be immortal."
The Engineer inspects David and then immediately dismantles him and proves Wayland that David is not perfect.
The Engineer off one conversation simply saw that humans have not changed in the slightest.
He wakes up from his rest only to see some old piece of shit asking for immortality all while he watches as they beat up a defenceless woman.
To top it all off a human tells him he is a God just like them.
David: We now have TikTok
Engineer: Rips head off David
Weyland: and Twitter as well
@@abelingaw5070 *Proceeds to exterminate humanity*
Shaw decides against mentioning youtube
@@abelingaw5070 *Proceeds to terminates the mankind*
Can't blame him.
The fact that this could've been such a masterpiece always makes me sad.
I know right.. crazy
I think it still is. I think if it wasn't limited by industry 'standards' and their limitations I would have been stronger. Sometimes it is up to the spectator to answer questions left unanswered....sometimes, they are intentionally left unanswered. Also, there was probably a producer or some non-artist dollar signs for eyes type that thought it would hurt sales to make it "preachy"
Makes me feel sad also as the deleted scenes, the deleted dialogue would have given the move more constructive content & deeper meaning. The trio who sacrificed themselves to stop the ship from leaving & destroying earth, gives their sacrifice greater meaning.
@@elizabethmunoz6479 yeah I liked the questions the movie made me ask after
And the sequel prequel covenant was piss poor compared to what i expected
I guess a studio exec said "hey, can you cut five minutes from this movie so it doesn't make any sense anymore?"
My thoughts exactly. Studio execs get payed a butt load of money but they have no idea about how to make movies. Not the first and won't be the last. They really piss me off. I want to make movies and I will be financing it myself without the meddling of these dumb studio execs who I imagine only got the job through nepotism. Always has been like this in the studios. If you don't agree with them they blacklist you. You don't need these idiots to make a movie. If you're product is good enough the people will watch. If your movie sucks, it sucks!
Not a problem, barely an inconvenience.
Likely due to conflicting religious beliefs…
Ridley Scott- "Say less"
Wrong. If anything the studio execs were probably begging Scott to include the scene so that the mouthbreathers wouldn't be "confused" by a movie that refuses to explicitly spell out every single element of the plot and character motivations.
He really hit him with that “you know, I’m something of a god myself”
This scene would’ve made so many things in Prometheus, and indeed Ridley Scott’s entire Alien universe, so much clearer. Why did they cut it? Thank you for this video! It was fascinating.
@William Bower I think that's about it. The studio wants maximum wiggle room to give themselves options for future movies with regards to scrips/plot. If they show something, confirm something, it becomes canon, and they're basically locked in to it. Better to keep it open and the audience guessing, looking for more is their view.
@@Hal09i true… but then franchises regularly undo their own canon. Just look at Star Wars or Terminator films. All over the shop.
It was a false Gospel. Too obvious! In this way, the seed of deception was planted, and now it is growing.
The only obvious reason: To keep the Aliens anthology going (aka more future movies). We got Alien: Covenent after that and Shaw traveling the universe for the answer that was given in the script but not in the movie itself.
In addition to creating more wiggle room for sequels, I have to think that the average studio exec preparing to launch a big budget blockbuster in the United States would be a wee bit hesitant to have the movie implicitly state that the Christian God was just a bunch of aliens.
This actually makes more more frustrated that they had a much more interesting story available but they decided to scrap it for something significantly crappier.
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It's the studios executives. They actually get the final say, not the director. It's sad.
@@fupopanda yeah, that’s frustrating. Clearly the studios do not know their audience
@@dc345601 no. It's not about the audience. It's that this version has heavy implications regarding religion. To maximize profits they don't want to antagonize large groups of ppl, including religious groups. This version of the script implied aliens trained Jesus, not that he was the son of God. They weren't touching that.
I actually enjoyed it. Rewatched it twice
Engineer: You are too violent!
*continues to kill everyone in the room*
Like father, like sons 🚶♂️
The last book in the 2001 Odyssey series has the aliens behind the Monolith deciding the same... "Too much competition."
No human, no problem.
The proper way to end evil is end evil.
@@ajeethkanagarajah41He who creates can take it away.
This deleted scene went biblical. I wasn't expecting that.
With Ridley Scott you didn't expect biblical? He always does biblical. Did you ever see Rasied by Wolves?
@@qoph1988 never seen Raised by wolves. Is it good?
The title Prometheus didn't give it away?
@@robwest9592 🤷🏻♀️
@@robwest9592 prometheus is greek though
I thought the dumbest part of the movie was he woke up and supposedly an intelligent species just randomly began to nonsensically attacking them.
I've seen this movie so many times with different people and they always get to that part and say "Why tf did he do that?" Now I can say "Because studio executives are morons." 🤦🏾♂️
I understood right away though that he was disgusted by humanity.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I thought the same and he was triggered that they hurted Shaw and realizing David is an engineered creation of humankind. That l
@@IchabodCraner That's a great interpretation as well.
Yes, I agree, that scene seemed unsatisfying that he just attacks them seemingly with any sense, just for violence.
I swear it’s a conspiracy they didn’t include this part of the script. This IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE STORY. They literally removed the answers to the whole story.
Yeah, I think the reception to the movie would have bee far better as people would have been satisfied at having actual answers to the question "what's going on!?!?!!?!" Taking this out turned the movie into a nothing-burger.
No, it's because Scott wanted to make Raised by Wolves which would have addressed the concept deeper. Unfortunately got cancelled after 2 season
Raised by wolves was so good, I was so bummed when it was canceled.
Milking it, as long as the cow has milk.
The extra stuff just paints them as complete idiots! hey check out all this cool crap we've got but we don't think you're ever going to want it for yourselves and you're just going to be content to scrabble around in the mud struggling 🙄
“Too much talking, need more action, aliens, and people not running left or right from a ship. People like that stuff!” -Some executive
It's easy to say left and right when you had a bird's eye view perspective. Just imagine being down there when everything is exploding around you.
@@evgenigradinar2731: That giant spacecraft hit the ground, and started to roll. Weyland's daughter turned back to see it roll toward her, so she easily could've turned away from the path of that roll. Squished like a bug.
People like this do not deserve to be involved in companies like Fox who don't even care about movies with good stories at all so screw them 🤬
@@evgenigradinar2731 no one in that movie made intelligent decisions..and these were supposed to be scientists. Too many concessions in logic for the sake of convenience.
In movies people have been running down the road to escape a car for just about forever. Even as a child I couldn't believe such a stupid thing was in a movie.
the way this guy speaks he can make me sleep even after chugging a big mug of coffee ...
In that scene, the humans actually convinced the Engineer, if he wasn’t already convinced, to continue on to earth and wipe it clean. He meets humans after 2000 years of sleep and at least listens to what they have go to say. They talk about wanting more life even though they have wasted what they were given. They talk about being equal to the engineers and arrogantly show off David, a robot with no soul, as proof of our new equality……that we are creators too! Then they squabble among each other and batter Shaw in front of him. In disgust, the Engineer rips the head off our hollow, soulless “creation” and kills the arrogant Weyland with it. Quite a comment on what he thinks about us and our creations. The Engineer, after witnessing the human circus in front of him, can’t get his ship and deadly cargo into space fast enough.
I just can’t believe this scene was a deleted……….it makes the entire movie. Without it, we just think the Engineers are mindless killing machines.
Also, the earlier script makes much more sense.
You summarised whole story of Aliens in this small writeup. Im just amazed how this beautiful creative work was totally destroyed by the studios n it's marketing managers.
Prometheus is perhaps one of the most epic stories ever told on big screen, it has the potential to fully explain reality of human nature n yet it all was destroyed by creative interference of studios. It needs a director's cut n it's own sequel n prequel to fully appreciate it.
9:11 It's just a story that hints at the basis for Christianity (and the other Abrahamic religions). That's why they left it out: it was both lazy and obvious.
No, WE don’t think anything. Sorry you’re incapable of extrapolating from context.
@@TheSCPStudio huh?
This scene reinforces the idea that the Engineers are indeed mindless killing machines.
Making up his mind based off "one human's thoughts and behaviour" would be absolute mindlessness. :D
And then his own speech about humans being violent meant nothing if we just killed the humans in front of him, and was about to wipe out all on earth.
Hence if this whole dialogue was kept, it would remove any mystery in the viewer's minds.
And as someone else commented, it's just lazy writing hinting to Christianity.
The deleted dialogue is better than the whole Prometheus film.
I must agree. The movie is an amazing sci-fi thriller but the entire f---ing point of the film is to answer the questions of the meaning of life on earth WHICH ARE DELETED. Wonderful mythology and symbolism without which it's all a big client monster violently killing the crew. Edits have to be made for time and story arc in movies but this cut was criminal. The movie is unsatisfying without it. Thanks to Kroft for sharing it.
Completely agree. the whole premise at the beginning of the film is leading to the origin story. Without this scene in full the movie makes little if any sense. It’s mostly boiled down to bottom line violence and horror. I was disappointed with the film for not delivering or even maintaining the story. Cinematically it is great but without the story it’s just visual masterbation. Film should be a medium for the story. The editor did a disservice to the franchise with this decision.
Can't agree with you enough. The movie itself due to Scott believing he could tell a story just with images was beyond pointless. It made every event that happened largely a huh moment. Like it or not you CAN NOT tell a story simply with images. That's called a Rorschach test and it really comes down to what a persons imagination comes up with. Dialogue though to the current generation is pure poison is the only real way to tell complex stories. (Shy of old fashioned text) Net result what mite have been something worth adding to Scott's original works ended up just feeling like an old man trying to ride on his name. Saddest part is instead of learning his lesson, he made another one.
@@edlux2190 genndy tartakovski called, he's pointing to samurai Jack and primal.
You can tell stories visually, but you have to be good at it.
Also, Ridley Scott has gone where most sci-fi riders have gone before: "God is aliens, your religion is a hollow lie."
@@hariman7727 A Rorschach test may well give folks the feeling that they see something. Sadly at the end of the day it's what they see. It is not empirical data. So no you simply cannot. You can create a subjective work. But people will take away from it what they will. Which may well have nothing to do what you intended.
Scott to me sadly after this feels like one of those old prize fighters that try to make a comeback. But instead just make themselves look like a bad joke. He now gets to be remember as the guy that took a dump on his own work. Lucas famously came off looking the same way after his prequel series. Let's hope this franchise doesn't have happen to it what happened to Lucas one time legacy after that.
5:15 is where the translation is coherently explained without constant side tracking.
It's taking so long to get to the point!
And this guys vocal cadence is so frustrating. It just pitches and goes up so often.
Thanks!
@@PioneerOPioneer not a native English speaker it seems. Also, padding the video run time.
@@chaucer140 Very annoying.
This whole video could be over in 2 minutes.
Fr
Yeah i stopped it was so boring
Plus it's fake fanfic
@RandomDude85 how is it fake?
Basically our psyche likes stories while part of you is unconsciously seeking truth about who you are, and that interest is known by movie directors...so your interest is high in anything that makes any sense, even if it is just a fantasy like this movie.
I think the problem lies in the fact that we grew up in a pool of lies which also was here when our parents were born. So if you believe in evolution, i'm sure you dont, you would not be interested.
I think Matrix movie is a much closer to the actuall reality and the quantum "life expirience", which somehow does include material laws of men but also gives you a chance for having more controls on your thoughts that create your reality.
Angels can materialise as humans. And souls come from somewhere and go somewhere, but in the ancient times eternal angels fell on earth, materialised and started living amongst men being oraised as Gods. Their children were a bigger statue as giants...the only problem is that their spirit did not came from the same place as you and me, and they are stuck on the planet as "Agent Smith"...
Also, saints that have "orbs" around their head go beyond matter and became part of the universe and get enlighten, meaning became light and the orb is an actuall phisical manifestation of harmonics called coherence between brain and the heart.
So yes, you are a movie, reality is like a movie and not this power game/status/fame which are lower frequencies which never let you be the light but just a chemical.
Just can't believe Ridley Scott wouldn't include this in the movie. It literally explains everything.
@TheMaidofMiddleEarth 100%
Well.. a real reason might be islam. I'm serious. In the West we forget that Jesus is a high profit in the Quran. Just like Mohamed. They would literally take something like this as seriously as a blasphemy against Mohamed. Movies are changed a lot because of this. But I'm not kidding when o say it couldn't be shown to Muslim audiences . But it could literally call for jihad against Scott by a billion Muslims world wide. Dead serious. Movies have been changed before because of it. And that's a huge audience. Hundreds of millions of dollars lost potentially. They love Jesus with the same fanaticism that they love Mo.
@@joshythehand2960 yeah all religions are nuts.
I agree that these answers should’ve been in the film but it’s incredibly lazy writing to have 1 scene with a character explaining every question the film asks. Good films have these answers discovered by the characters along the way. This is just poor exposition
@@Francescojg I would say that usually this is the case but in some stories there is no payoff until the end. This is how the story was structured. I think it's a shame they backed out of it
They really should do a “Snyder Cut” for this movie.
Scott cut*
@@aniruddhagowda8072 *Scutt Cut
Dude 😂👌✌️
Fuck yea
Ridley Scott has had this issue before. Gladiator didn't suffer in the theater, but the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven left out some crucial details.
Why did they cut this stuff out? I mean if they only explained all of this it would be a better movie? That jesus part was so excellent and genius!
That made no sense honestly.
So think it was best cutting it.If you follow that plot line the points of that religion would be more convoluted.
The lack of explanation at this part of the movie was pathetic. Any additional dialog would have improved this movie greatly. The idea of speaking taking so much of his life force sounds far fetched without some reason why.
The Jesus part makes no sense if you're not a white westerner. To the rest of the world this would look at least bizarre
@@HaohmaruHL Cringe. White westerners aren't the only Christians, dummy.
The studio wanted to make more films and didn’t want it to be that simple, probably. That’s why it’s so complicated to leave space for sequels.
All these years later I finally feel I have some closure for the movie.
The whole movie was leading up to this scene and they just made the movie confusing with the edits.
The movie literally falls off the rails at this point in the movie. Its almost a comical scene, when it should be serious.
@@dezznutz3743 you're literally just left going "huh?" Engineer just starts attacking them and no explanation is given
yeah i didn't get the first engineer scene.
I actually thought it was perfect, why would he give time to explain to us humans who are nothing but a failed experiment. We are supposed to be extinct. Also they can't resolve all mistery in the first movie
They should have just tossed in a laugh track and it would have been the biggest movie that year
I like to think the reason he reacted so violently is because David’s translation actually went more like this: “He wants more life, fucker.”
HAHHAHAHAHHAHA, hahaha yeah i agree XD XD
😂😂😂😂
Lol!
I agree with that selfish conceited human
no..he understand better than any human...he is right..the engineer has told everything to him..humans need to be extinct by a viral spread...its their punishment for crucify their son
Some writer or director needs to do this story justice at some point. I don’t care if it’s 20 years from now. We were robbed of an incredible story.
Denis Villeneuve
I’ll be 40 😭
No, this backstory sucks. It's a silly idea that aliens, who know everything about the evolution and behaviour of life, would get offended when we act in exactly the way that every animal acts. Life inherently wants to keep living and wants to defend and assert itself. To be mad at that would be to be mad at rain for being wet. Also, if they wanted to teach us to follow their stupid death cult religion, then they are lousy teachers - beneath everything even modern humans know about sociology and psychology.
This movie's premise is ridiculous when you think about it.
Its happening isnt it. the trailer just dropped
Yes. These are the kinds of movies that should be remade. Ones that could have been great but didn't deliver, or had a good premise and were just poorly executed. Not the timeless classics they always remake and ruin.
Absolutely FABULOUS. Thank you for taking such time and care in crafting such a thoughtful and complete video. I enjoyed it tremendously.
Man I enjoyed all of these missing scenes more than the movie itself.
Don't dismiss the scenes with Weyland's hot daughter.
Same
Because deep inside you believe in alien gods who created us.
I feel that they removed all the good stuff from the theatrical cut, unfortunately....
It would have tied it together. And explain the defenses of his ship. Why are these monsters here?!
They really, really, messed this movie up. All this cut stuff sounds wonderful.
Another snydercut
@@terrybatman Imagine Ridley Scott releasing a better version of his own messed up movie after so many years with reshoots. That would be funny as hell 😅
@@jothishprabu8 the problem was this movie was badly promoted. I didn't understand that this movie was in the same universe as aliens and predator till the end when the proto alien emerges from the engineer.
We created you but you turned to be evil so we decided to kill you but not by releasing simple cold virus but by most elaborate biological and evil weapon in the galaxy - What part of this utter gibberish sounds wonderful? :D
I think exactly the same, when I went to see Prometheus at the cinema at the time, I was expecting a story like the one mentioned in this video. A shame. Greetings from Argentina.
None of this should have been cut. The storyline of the Engineers was so damn incredible and with all the extra scripts and dialogue ..could've made it the best sci-fi film imho. Damn we need "Paradise" or a miniseries of just the Engineers story. So interesting and almost feels like it could be real. Tighten up Ridley..PLEASE! Dont let us down
They probably wanted to keep it for a reveal in the true prometheus sequel, then it went off the rails and turned into covenant
@Attila Csakberenyi Totally agree, it was such a dire film that I doubt anything could be done to save it. I saw it at the cinema with a couple of friends so unfortunately couldn't walk out from the boring, badly directed piece of junk.
Sorry but the whole Jesus trope is completely overdone, lazy and predictable. It wouldn't have made this crap movie any better.
@@H0n3yMonstah I found the film tiresome and unconvincing.
@Attila Csakberenyi I feel like fans of prometheus don't overlap with alien fans much. Totally different interests. I'm big into this rash of high concept sci-fi and religious fiction stuff. Westworld, and scotts raised by wolves. I actually don't care about an alien threat beyond its use by a more interesting, technologically advanced, creator deity race. That shit sounds dope. Maybe the alien queen could've been more sentient or something. But the fictional genesis type stuff just attracts a different crowd.
holy shit the dialog is legit far more intresting then 70% of the movie
It offended the Luciferian, transhumanist executives so the movie creators were forced to cut it out.
The alien Jesús looks fucking Great
I remember watching this movie and thinking “this is the part where we’ll get answers…” and all we got was big dude tears head off the robot for no reason. Thanks for this video. Not only does it makes sense, but it also gave it meaning. A detail that would have prompted discussion. What a missed opportunity.
I kinda got the gist of it in the movie, but can't believe they removed all of that on the bluray
The biggest insult was Alien Covenant which was supposed to answer Shawn's question at the end of Prometheus. It didn't.
What terrible writing. I can't believe the engineers would act like such petulant little babies.
That scene. Dude. I like Prometheus but I would have loved it instead.
The engineer explained himself by ripping the head off the AI robot which deceived the crew and was obviously an enemy to mankind... It was sign language. A sign.🤔
Damon Lindelof: We’re gonna say Jesus was educated by aliens.
Fox: No you’re not.
CBC: well prehaps
BBC: a BS
CNN: a true strory
Sceen-cut, then tom cruise bursts through the atmosphere with Scientology clan. "We've got a problem."
Good. Jews need to learn that they are not connected to any creation folklore other than their own.
If you think Jesus had anything to do with alien knowledge you need help. Jesus literally claimed to be God, the creator of all. And He is.
@@AR15andGOD Jesus never claimed to be god, but the son of God.
I always thought its because the engineer took David's creation as an insult or even a challenge.
That's interesting also, your interpretation, the engineer was insulted by David's creation, an imitation of real life being.
Me to
Exactly what I thought. Because he thinks in creating David, he is a God, but ignores the gift engineers gave us of procreation. Saying he made David in his own image makes him a God while ignoring his daughter who was literally made in his image.
The ability to make life, the one thing that makes us "God-like".
And that's why the movie always shows Weyland basically being a dick, and ignoring his own daughter for David.
I thought that too.
I saw it similarly, Engineer sees David as a mockery of true organic life, a fraud... and the guy who made the fraud thinks he is a God = angerX2
How and why did David become PURPOSELY devious, hence sinister and eventually DANGEROUS to HUMANKIND is what captures profound interest. The INSIDIOUS action of David,his reticence to fully translate dialogue is scary.
Maybe David's moral degeneration reflects his desire to be more genuinely human, and that unfortunately also includes dishonesty, a desire for power over others, and other nasty stuff that has led to the destruction of "Eden" and a planet full of human suffering, also inflicted by short sighted, greedy humans.
Its the part of us that's evil. We were created with a sinister side in us. And whatever we created would mimic that side of us. Like the scriptures say, God created man in his own image.
Given Weyland was David's creator, David appears to have absorbed his creators underlying bad moral/social traits. His persona ultimately is dependent on his programming, and presumably the influence of Weyland would be the strongest and probably the most influential contribution to his character. If only he had been named Jarvis....
maybe cause he was created by a piece of crap xD
I mean, if he's a Blade Runner-style replicant, he was built to be a short-lived slave. I imagine that would make anyone a teensy bit bitter.
I am astounded that they threw all of that away and just made it to where the engineer pulls David’s head of on a whim. This would have made the ending much more satisfying.
I agree...😉👍💯
FBI holding a gun to the directors head-
"You're saying too much bro"
😂😂😂
It would definitely be the CIA holding the gun. Not the FBI.
This comment is EVERYTHING
Or MIB
It's unlikely, I mean, this is just an expensive movie about Ancient Aliens, and Tsoukalos has been allowed to speak "too much" for very long time
David:”This man is here because he wants to live forever”
Engineer: “Brah…for what? To eat apple sauce and play Bingo?! “
Engineer gets triggered by stupidity and tears Davids head off and slams Mr. Burns with it and proceeds to destroying earth with a clear motive now.
😂
We all probably deserve to perish for what we have done to this planet and to each other.
@@duanecarr6712 no we don't.
@@duanecarr6712 so why dont you do your part instead of being in a world you hate and do us all a favour, stop trying to sound deep and philosophical you numpty
Theres a saying about something about the sins of the father.
Engineer: humans are horrible
Weyland : we are the same
Engineer: 😡 👊
It seemed like the Engineer was genuinely fascinated and impressed by the existence of David but was so furious at the audacity of Weyland to make his request based on his alleged equivalence to the Engineer's species that he decided to destroy that great achievement before attacking everyone else.
@JohnWall-lj1mx pride from a resident of Paradise. The Engineer is Satan.
As an interpreter I have a hard time believing that David’s mistranslation is just a mistake. David is perfect in everything that he does (in a scary way, might I add). After years of him speaking many languages it is not likely that David ignores the basic rules of interpretation protocol, starting with: do not omit or add anything to the original message, just pass it on as accurately as you’re able to. I believe that David actually has a malicious intent behind these deliberate omissions.
I agree especially after watching alien covenant. Although I wouldn't say malicious because it assumes he knows the difference between good and evil 🤔... Maybe malicious from our perspective lol
@@rainwave5 lol David is definitely evil bro
@@Oscar44443 lol I don't blame you for thinking that. But how can a robot be evil? For example when a lion kills a gazelle in Africa does it become evil?
@@Oscar44443 evil doesn’t exist and can’t be found
@@rainwave5 if he is a conscious robot a sentient being then he can certainly be evil.
The Engineers, their society and all the mystery surrounding them is what made me fall in love with the franchise. It is sad that they wasted alot of potential with them
They looked like peasants with their crude yarn clothes
There should be a movie just for them.
Franchise?
@@PinballMosher Sure, but keep Ridley FAR away from it.
"Franchise". Like McDonalds or Burger King. That's exactly what it is.
A "script" where they don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".
Yes, it's a fan script. There's no doubt about this at all. Lindelof has confirmed that he did not write it. Recently a fan called Mark McAllister has confirmed that he was the real author.
The engineers are the absolute best part of the movie and the original scripts all of it together is great.
This script is confirmed fake, by the actual writers
@@Huhdoebruh bummer. The person who wrote that shoulda helped on the movie.
It truly does make thi gs way more fleshed out. Amazing how 2 minutes of talking could make an okay movie great.
The original script and conversation between the engineer and David made this a coherent movie. It’s a shame that it was cut. Probably too Jesus for Hollywood.
I feel like it’s the opposote, a lot of movies love to take stories of Jesus and other religious figures and make it a part of their story. Maybe not as blatant as this thoigh. I thibk some of this would be interesting, but the Jesus angle doesn’t make sense. Why would they even expect anyone to listen to him, especially since they picked a group of people who didn’t have a lot of influence in the world
If by 'too jesus' you mean it might have offended jesus-freaks, then yeah that's probably it. They were probably worried some of the american "christian" fanatics would have a cry/mass shooting, and that might hurt sales/reputation. A shame really as this seemed like it was pretty integral to the movie and its themes.
@@Lord_of_Dread Have you seen Midnight Mass on Netflix? It kind of parodies the catholic faith. You should watch it I don’t want to spoil it.
Jesus really? Why did they have to link this to the Christian faith. Honestly I prefer it left unknown. Just mixing religion and science doesn’t make sense.
@@angelgjr1999 I haven't but I'll look into it. Thanks for the recommendation!
It's been said literally thousands of times at this point, but without the scene of the Engineer and David talking to each other, this movie was just another "big space" cash grab movie. I've always loved it, and I won't deny that, but with the scene between David and the Engineer, it makes so much more sense, it's such a deeper, more meaningful movie, and I'm heartbroken that the entire conversation went to the wayside for the theatrical release. Wow. This could have been great.
Stupid isn't it. Why do this?
What a stupid analysis. The movie has waaaay more problems that just that. Whut a stoopid moovy.
It seems like the "powers that be" were worried about the fact that the Engineers created Jesus. I mean, the religious nuts already have a problem with science fiction, however, when you mess with the Bible's writings, most especially Jesus, you're going to get cancelled.
@@backalleycqc4790 Anyone can take the piss out of Christianity. It's the Muslim religion everyone goes nuts after!
Well remember, the best line from Bladerunner was an adlib “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.” Though, sometimes the exposition dialogue feels a bit forced…I understood all of what was said without it being said. I thought the clunky part of the movie was how much better some actors/actresses were so some of the scenes felt like sketches duct taped together. Naomi Rapace should have been given the movie from the beginning…
I can’t believe they cut this for the movie, literally a good theatrical and philosophical guess on the creation of humanity.
"So, what was up with Dinosaurs? Why does everything evolve into crabs? Were crabs supposed to find you?"
David:
He says dinos got unlucky and crabs are like swiss army knives.
HL2
1. Not everything evolves in crabs.
2. Crabs also evolve in something else so it is not like "crab is the final forme of evolution" it just a thing that appears often.
If they'd let this treasure be in the movie, it would have gone from being a mockery to an incredible movie.
Truth
Exactly
It is an incredible movie. I like that I am still discovering new things about it years later.
Even without those scenes I still think it is a brilliant film👍🏻
Yup... It was horrible in any way
weyland: what is love?
engineer: baby dont hurt me
heehee
WHOAWOAOAOAAAAA OAAAAOAAAAAOOOO OOOOOOOAHHHHHHAHHHH
You made mh day lmao
😂😂😂😂😂
No more
"you talk to me of hate prepare for rapture" goes so fucking hard i cant believe they cut this dialogue out of the movie
They didn't cut this dialogue out of the movie. It's a fan script and was never part of the production. Credit for writing that line goes to Mark McAllister.
Imagine a cow woke you up and said that she was your equal and she was going to build an addition to your house and rent it out to strangers.
I think showing a talking cow would be a much more profitable enterprise.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe4 actually more like if your phone did that. remember the engineers created humans.
humans neither created cows nor apes
Wow...now that I think about it, I had a few cows that did the same! Weird...man! Hey, roll another blunt, please. This is getting freaky!
Oh that's cute, wonder how you came up with that theory? 🍷😆
That's the most inappropriate way I can imagine to discribe the situation that also happens to be 100 % on point.
It’s profound to try and imagine what the engineer is thinking in this moment. He wakes up and doesn’t expect this and he has to interpret our entire existence based on this one exchange.
Not easy by any means
Most people who would wake up to something like this would lose their shit.
Sounds like a normal morning being woken by your kids.
@@somefuckstolemynick lol
This is another great observation like so many under this comment section I definitely agree
Whoever decided to cut this scene and remove this dialogue sequence must have been an idiot of extraordinary proportions.
Why?
Because he took away the answer that all the fans of Alien were desperately hoping and waiting for.
You speak for yourself. This is not an Alien movie..
The religious aspect would have pushed away people from the movie. So they cut it for profits
This scene would offend christians and jews. Prometheus was heavily linked to Jesus and removing all references to stay politically correct killed the movie.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 I'm one of those, and it doesn't offend me. If someone wants to be offended, what they left in is more offensive than what they left out. And we like talking about this stuff.
@José David Cortes Garay no, it's not. It's fine you you wanna go along with that tho..
David: Hey Weyland they taught Jesu---
Weyland: Dont care want immortality.
David: ...
"Why is your presence disturbing my atmosphere?! "- engineer
Obviously he wants to know who farted
@@ΓιάννηςΧαρικαπολυς my God.....
Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have removed their helmets? When the guy narrating this video says the engineers can live long but speaking drains them, I think it's actually human respiration that is affecting the atmosphere in that chamber which is why the engineer isn't recovering from his hypersleep quickly.
Old man-“What did he say?”
David-“Would you fancy a spot of tea over by my all organic eggs”
He was basically saying "B#@h,don't kill my vibe."
It's crazy how good Lindelof's draft script is. Makes me sad for what we got instead in the final cut.
The idea that such a powerful being as the engineer gets exhausted just speaking is dumb. It ain't that deep.
@@TalynStormcrow you are dumb. It's fiction. It's not that deep.
I bet it went:
- so, we have to cut something or it gonna be too long
- hey, what about the scene where they fight for like 10 mins with the alien on the wing of the spaceship?
- nah, just cut the dialogue, nobody will get it anyways
@@Ginger.K97 you're dumb. It being fiction does not mean it has to be shallow and mediocre. And yes, them losing lifespan from talking is absolutely dumb
@@shockwave.9749 for real, at least give a compelling reason for why they can’t speak much. A poorly thought out idea doesn’t make the aliens seem “mysterious” or “otherworldly”, it’s just a poorly thought out idea lmao.
This part is so good, it’s the whole point of the movie and gives contrast to the female character carries her cross necklace and believes in Jesus. That part would have made this whole movie better.
Im surprised any of the christianity stuff made it into the film at all - I think all this was cut because it was felt by execs it would test poorly with modern/foreign markets.
Also check the dates. And they are in Christmas. Etc.the movie is full of hints about jesus
Thank you for sharing this! It adds so much context to the story.
Dude, I was looking forward for this part in the movie. I literally expected something of this level in the movie, and when it ended, it didn't make any sense. I knew something was up. I can usually decipher the story through how the writer thinks and how he wrote the script which revealed to me that something of this magnitude was coming but it never did. I 100% think that leaving this piece is the movie would have made the movie perfect and probably one of the best movies of all time. Now, its simply a movie people forgot about. I almost didn't even wanted to watch this video and would have never known the real masterpiece that it should have been. Glad I clicked play.
Everybody is a director on RUclips
@@electrictouch1188 You could've given a useful insight into his statement, instead you chose to be a toxic fuck. Why?
@@minimushrom because thats his opinion. Its the internet bro. Why is his response any less valid? Why should people only respond positively? Why are you intolerant of pessimistic people? Let him answer his and you answer yours. Could of answered with something more philosophical but instead you chose to be a pretentious internet sjw but ended up looking like a clown instead.
You took the words out of my mouth. Right on.
@@thebaziks323 It's called common decency and not being a degenerate.
The problem with the dialogue is that it's too specific. It spells out everything. Ridley Scott wisely decided that they shouldn't spell it out, but instead of replacing it with something more enigmatic, he just gave us nothing at all, which is too far the other way.
Agree, I wish we got something in between the two extremes
well also that the alien just claimed that they made jesus.
think that would go down bad.
So glad this IS NOT TRUE
@@-Big_Big not only that but it affirms christianity as THE canon truth in this movie universe.
@@powerplayer75 holy fuck. Which makes the cross in the movie even more significant.
Kroft has awoken from his cryosleep
Gud one
👌👌👌
today we shall learn of things no human was meant to know.
@@generalnawaki 😂
+1
Just like a God. Creates a being that is flawed, then blame the being for being flawed.
Damn bro that hit hard
Damn you Yaldabaoth!
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Proverbs 18:2
@@AminaAmina-xq4bbJust because a it’s in a Hebrew holy book doesn’t make it deep or correct.
@@katrose5179 its the deepest fukn book you have never read.
Dude, you've done such great work here in 16 minutes. I've asked other people to help me understand this movie, and I've rewatched it myself with them trying to understand it better. But I think you have a finer grasp on it than the rest of us. Thank you heaps for researching this topic.
The engineers are absolutely fascinating. It's a great shame that nobody has made more movies about them.
Sadly, I went into Prometheus and Covenant believing we'd get the explanation of the xenomorph through the Engineers story. Instead I still don't understand how they traveled the universe and created life, when they lived in huts.
it's because of Disney
They wanted to but people didnt like the movies so as of now, its in limbo.
@@gonzotolkien they didnt just live in huts though. Who built the structure they're spending time in, in Covenant for example? Oh, and they also had space ships and the ability of interstellar travel obviously. Now, I'm not saying the engineer story we get in the movies are great, but I dont think you have a point either.
@@Driblus Both of those structures you just named are abandoned and old places, not the tech the Engineers were currently using. They appeared to have declined as a civilization and no longer going around in spaceships. Otherwise, they wouldn't have just stood there yelling and been killed off if spaceships were still their norm. And there would've been more than one city. You bomb a human city, other humans would show up.
Prometheus is like telling half of a joke.
It can be the best joke ever concieved, it still won't make you laugh without the punch line.
The punchline being that Jesus was an alien apprentice and that a species who are morally outraged by violence will also rip heads off and engineer monsters who burst out of stomachs to murder everything that moves?
I don't think this is a fair analogy, this movie IS a joke (not LIKE one). The whole movie and its sequel are a laughingstock. There's only Alien and Aliens, all this other nonsense is a cash grab.
clearly you've never heard a half joke
As someone who saw the movie once and thought it was boring and confusing. This scene alone would have changed my entire perspective on the movie. Why?? Why would they cut it out??
That's why they created Alien Covenant, which is like telling joke that is funny only because it's dumb.
@@funkyfiss Because it's actually silly if you break it down. What the Engineer implies with the cut dialogue is that they (the Engineers) expected humanity to be like them, but didn't actually do much to ensure that we did, and when they wanted to teach us how to be like them they decide to tell only ONE guy (Jesus reference), and actually expected for the whole of humanity to just believe this one guy? lol, perhaps David should've asked if the Engineers where all stupid, or at the very least shortsighted and delusional. It's like expecting a child to teach itself to speak, and when it fails you decide to "terminate" it. Uhhh didn't you knuckleheads create us in YOUR image?
Not providing these answers is fully in line with the element of cosmic horror, which relies on unfathomable ambiguity and mystery, so I get that idea. However, this decision contradicts so many other aspects of Prometheus (and Covenant), which DO provide answers on the creation of the Xenomorphs and mankind's connection to the Engineers and the black goo, which takes away from the cosmic horror mystery of the original Alien movie. I don't mind Prometheus giving us some answers - in fact, it's the lore that I find the most fascinating about these prequels, but from that perspective, we really should have gotten this final and most crucial answer. Whoever wants to maintain the mystery of the original Alien movie can just ignore Prometheus and its lore, while those interested in answers could fully appreciate this prequel.
Was very disappointed that Ridleyonly wanted to go down the alien stuff. I would have give so much more to see an Engineer series of movies. Love Prometheus and the added back Engineer conversation.
He actually didn't want to do movies about the Aliens, his trilogy idea was supposed to be focused on the engineers. problem was Prometheus was massively dissapointing to audiences so he tried to please them by making Covenant more Alien focussed. Unfortunately audiences didn't like the idea that David created the Aliens so Covenant was poorly received as well.
His original idea of what Covenant became was supposed to be Shaw and David exploring the Engineer homeworld and getting answers (likely giving us the info that was removed from Prometheus).
@@timemonkey I don't think it was Ridley Scott's idea/choice. It was more the choice of the studio behind it - Fox said what it should be.
@@MarshallStrider the unsophisticated Alien fanboys wanted monsters and gunshots - they were not interested in anything resembling the deep and daring philosophical questions Prometheus promised, so they caved and gave them the dog shit that is Covenant
@@timemonkey Shaw and David exploring the Engineer homeworld was what I was hoping for. I imagined a sci-fi take on Alice in Wonderland.
@@almenajamband9206 Though you have to wonder how they'd not be killed immediately.
It makes perfect sense now. Ridley sacrificed the tone of the franchise in order to make a deep philosophical criticism of humanity. Then cut the critique, the entire point of the film. We were given an empty shell of a movie. That only accomplished one thing. It made the beloved Alien less interesting.
Sounds like George Lucas and Disney.
Yup, good assessment. I was scratching my head trying to follow their thought process in the movie.
Now we know why the Engineer was headed for Earth...and why they had to ram it's ship. Why cut that out? Chumps
@@treystephens6166 no... they know what they are doing there.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 who knew what they were going to do ???
Nah you made it less interesting...this movie was great
The engineer probably knew David's intentions and why he killed him first. Movie had so much promise.
He didn't kill David, he merely ripped his head off. David wasn't alive as a biological being, he was was a cybernetic creature. Ripping his head off wouldm't kill him.
Probably didn't need the translator also lol
He probably understood that David wasn’t telling them everything and saw how flawed weylands creation actually was.
They should’ve followed the OG Alien:Engineers script for that part of the movie while still adding in the whole Engineer dialogue. Would‘ve made this movie a masterpiece. Also they could‘ve cut the Deacon entirely and made it a Xenomorph who then evolved into a Queen, who then laid Eggs on the Engineer‘s ship, leading to the events of Alien. But of course they had to go with the stupid idea of David creating the Xenos. What as shame
Jeez, Prometheus was just a few lines of dialogue and a few “character decisions” away from being something truly special...
“ ..prepare for rapture” gave me chills
knowing everything on the script. i can understand why he would feel that way. he makes a good point of justifying himself in the script
Engineer: wants to wipe out humanity
Me : but why?
Engineer : (what he said in the video)
Me : understandable have a nice day
😂💯
exactly
Engineer mad over human violence so commits violence. Stupid film.
@@orthocoinbitzantium1002 well that is not how i have seen it and i agree with you if engineers where really peacefull they wouldnt just whipe humans out they would try to help them
@@orthocoinbitzantium1002 not really. You have a mad dog, you put a mad dog down for it's own good before it causes more damage.
He was doing what he felt was necessary as their creations were flawed and violent
Every applause to the creativity & also to this decoder. Good job and i can connect what he says whether it's true or not
engineers: we don't like violent creatures
also engineer: creates xenomorphs and predators
A metaphor for how hypocritical leaders are .
I don’t remember them mentioning predators
I find it highly unlikely that the Engineers were wholly aligned in their beliefs and motives.
They didn't make Predators
The predator dont exist in the alien universe Avp have his own universe
The scenes cut out of Prometheus made the film kinda bad. These 2 minutes of this scene and the seconds where the biologist found the little work would have made this movie so much better to watch.
They cut this out but kept scenes of scientists being stupid. Go figure.
@@dubuyajay9964 exactly!
I haven’t seen the movie yet, but how can someone have access to those deleted scenes?
@@jrbserious87 RUclips is a good place to start.
This scene would've done a LOT to save the movie.
No, it's better with these scenes taken out, because this backstory sucks. It's a silly idea that aliens, who know everything about the evolution and behaviour of life, would get offended when we act in exactly the way that every animal acts. Life inherently wants to keep living and wants to defend and assert itself. To be mad at that would be to be mad at rain for being wet. Also, if they wanted to teach us to follow their stupid death cult religion, then they are lousy teachers - beneath everything even modern humans know about sociology and psychology.
This movie's premise is ridiculous when you think about it.
"Yeah, after you killed our homie Jesus we just gave up on you, maaan," is the most batshit insane thing an 8 foot tall off-white Space Man could ever possibly tell a group of astronauts.
Context is important, and much of the scene with the engineer left me scratching my head. I wasn't understanding why he killed everyone, until now. Directors can really tank world building, especially in sci-fi and fantasy, when they remove important discussions or interactions between the characters. In this case, removing the translated speech robbed the viewer of understanding and soured the viewer's opinion of the Engineer...because the entire scene lacked context.
religious group will sue them if they carried out that script
@@PoombaiNews Screw them, then! This is the 21st Century for f@#$ sake! They shouldn't feel insulted by a work of fiction! _(and personally, I never approved of that sentiment, out of any religion)_
@@PoombaiNews no they won't . honestly if anything its pro religion. violence is an evolutionary necessity if your an athiest . if your a religious person you would argue against violence like the engineer.
@@phgamer4393 Religion has been the most used excuse for war and genocide in human history. The more devout they are, the more the religious types see murder as negotiable
@@phgamer4393 "Kill the heathens" - religious person arguing against violence.
This would have absolutely made the movie an amazing philosophical sci-fi masterpiece. Particularly if they had just stuck with LV426 and not tried to expand the story. That David ended up making the xenomorphs is probably the most disappointing aspect of the new films.
Disagree with the first bit agree with the second.
David only made his own variants of xenomorphs. The ship had statues and reliefs of xenomorphs in it. The engineers knew what their creations final form was for millennia.
@@Big-Bert The evolution I'm assuming is guided with a general plan, David might have just sped it up a lot.
religious group will sue them if they carried out that script
It still would not be anywhere near a masterpiece by any means.
The most unbelievable idea in this movie is how Shaw was able to basically run several marathons, 30 seconds after giving herself a flipping C-Section.
Lots of people point that out
Future staple guns and duct tape works wonders
It's such a far cry from Ellen Ripley.
What I liked most about her is that she was simply trying to do her job, not walk around with an agenda.
She just wanted to protect those she cared about, and she was a terrific foil for the audience who could see what she saw.
Shaw, much like the rest of the characters, doesn't seem to act like a scientist, and least of all a rational human being.
It's a sign of lazy writing and studio exec meddling that creates these throw-away characters.
They seem to exist merely at the behest of a movie which, might've made sense at some point,
but ultimately got hacked and sliced into an inconsistent mess. A mess created by a committee of shareholders who dictated whatever they wanted, regardless of it making any sense.
Well she was struggling the whole time. Its not like they ignored it.
For sure. I’ve had 3 c-sections and could barely walk or stand up straight after each one. 🙄
David, "This one man named Weyland is greedy and wants eternal life."
Engineer, "Okay, but I'll kill you too for some reason."
David, "But muh individualism!"
Engineer, "No, collectivism! All humans evil because some were! Reeee"
The only reason they would have cut these interesting historical and theological connections was because tout was too complicated and controversial for many. I enjoyed Prometheus and would have loved to watch an extended version illustrating all connections here. I now have a new appreciation for the movie…
Or they where hoping for a sequel that "explains everything"
@@makkdaddy5310 unfortunately, that sequel was a product of listening to the criticism of this movie, and what we got was crap
I think it is the opposite. They blew it. The movie makes no sense after the cuts...
Prometheus was a good movie except for the Jesus part you could tell that the engineer body language and his mannerisms you could figure it out without all the extra dialogue but it would have been nice in the movie have Been fan of all the movies have watched them in Chronicle logical order
@@gustavinus I tend to agree. The real irony is that what caused the film to absolutely blow was the same reason the Engineer was enraged at man. Hubris.
The hubris of thinking you can sacrifice narrative, pathos and a cogent emotional plot in favor of pretty CGI and great set dressing. The movie as it stands is an incoherent mess
I literally don’t understand why this was cut. I always felt like the engineer scene was too short.
btw, 1st8 mins of this video isnt necessary if you just want to hear the engineer's speech
Thanks i reached this comment after 10 minutes
noice, read this after pausing 15 seconds in, ty ty
@@AdityaKumar-qu7jvsame just yappin
Thanks.
Dear Lord thank you.
These deleted dialogues answered all my questions with the movie for years. I was like "what the heck why would the engineer suddenly went crazy if he's one of the smart *ass creator he would at least respond in some less barbaric way" when i first watched it cuz i watched the version where he didn't talk at all.