You left out that the nuclear attack on Old Earth during the rebellion against the machines left the planet a lifeless radioactive cinder, and this was the death of our home world. It would eventually become a myth, it's location forgotten.
I preferred the timeline in the Dune Encyclopedia which saw Earth set apart as a nature reserve once it had been terraformed after being hit by an asteroid.
@@Nefylymi know you're not referring to Trump. Trump is the antithesis to the government. Having too much power, that's why you see the current government Democrats and Republicans freaking out about this man. They are so scared that he's going to set things straight. He's not a danger to this country. He's a danger to the incumbent. Form of government that is currently running this country, which is corrupt
This is awesome, I learned about Dune from the game Dune II, but it took me almost 30 years before I touched the first book of Dune. At 40 yo, I am now totally mesmerized by this work from Frank Herbert
Oh..."Thinking Machines" or "Living Machines"...This was all revealed to Spock, Son of Sarek during his Space Walk in the V'Ger probe/entity!! Maybe, yes??
lol and the BEST part of it is that now you don''t have to read the last book in the Dune series, which was written by Silverberg and Herbert's not-so-literarily-gifted son.
You make a great point. Herbert's notion that a human political, social, or cultural _status quo_ might last for 10,000 years is juvenile, ignorant, unrealistic, and preposterous. Maybe 500 years, at the utmost maximum. But 10,000 years? No.
@@satchelsatchelThe point is that the Empire became stagnant within its feudal system. The only real change came with Paul and the ultimate change came with Leto II, the God Emperor. Also the Harkonens made there first fortune fron dealing in whale fur for clothing and such. I'm sure fashions changed among the people and the Aristocracy. Its just not explored.
Literally read this on Reddit a few hours ago and then I stumbled upon your comment. I think this explains it pretty well “The stagnancy of the Imperium is deliberate, entrenched by the Imperial power structure, and perpetuated by the few powers outside of the Imperial ruling class that could change things. After the downfall of the Thinking Machines, every facet of the ruling powers of the Human race, from the nobility to the corporations to the Spacing Guild, opted to settle in to stagnation rather than take any risks that might arise from exploration or deviation. The timescale is there to illustrate that, by the time of Paul Atreides, the species entire evolutionary track has settled into a slow decline because of stagnation. 1,000 years, or even 5,000 years, is not enough to really show how dire their addiction to the status quo is. Consider how far the Human race developed in the last 10k years. Then add the 10k years it takes to get to the Butlerian Jihad. From discovery of agriculture to a galaxy(?) spanning empire with all the trimmings of super advanced technology. Being stagnant for 10k years after all that change is almost inconceivable, and yet that is their reality. They don't change, they don't develop or grow or change for 10,000 years. The purpose of Leto Il Atreides, the God Emperor, is to force through domination and unimaginable cruelty and tyranny the Human race to start developing again, to start changing and growing”
Wonderful video. In which year was Arakis completely destroyed with weapons? Sometime after the scattering? I saw a posting describing the event but it did not specify the year.
A lot of this (titans, Omnius and whatnot) was added later. It wasn't mentioned by Frank Herbert, which is why it feels tacky and needless. Books published after his death try entice readers by tying as many plot points as possible to Frank's novels.
@jamesnicholls9969 I seriosly doubt that. You notice the difference in approach. To clarify, I believe there were some notes, but I am certain most of it was made up by them
@@jamesnicholls9969 That's partially true. While Frank Herbert had left a completed version of Chapterhouse and an outline/partially completed sequel to Chapterhouse after his death, there wasn't anything else outside of that. Brian Herbert makes the erroneous claim of these so-called notes in order to keep writing garbage knock-off novels to insert in the series.
imo its best to just read the encyclopedia and stop. Brians novels arent nearly as deep and well written as Franks and answer too many questions that should have been left to our own imagination.
@@Graf69True, and while I love the encyclopedia, it also contradicts Frank's later books. While he endorsed it, he did not stick to the timeline portrayed in the encyclopedia. He went in his own way. It's a great read, and I've read it several times but it's unfortunately not canon.
@treadstone1138 I always thought they ended some time after the Scattering and before the events of Heretics and Chapterhouse. Canon be damned, for me it's still better as a collaborative work of intricate fanfiction than the prequels, sidequels and sequels.
OH man, about 5 years ago I revisited that series after 30 years. Binge read all of them, then dove into the whole Robot series after as well. So good!.
i agree but to be fair, it's partly because the mystique is gone for things such as the butlerian jihad. Whatever we imagined in our own heads is going to be way better than someone elses interpretation. Still doesn't make it good though.
I agree, the Dune Encyclopedia was much better. FH never officially endorsed it but did express appreciation for the work that had gone into it. Post FH books are poorly-written and the ideas feel like bad fanfiction compared to FH's work.
The old man couldn't let it go. He should have called it good at the death of Leto II which is where I'll stop the next time I read the series. Brilliant to that point and then it's like he didn't know what to do with his characters in this incredible world he built. At his passing his son became involved
They've seemingly changed the wiki timeline over the past year or so. Originally, or at least as of the information available about two years ago, the timeline matched with ours like so: 11136 BG is 2024 1 AG is the year 13,160AD 10176 AG Paul birth 23,336AD 10191 AG start Dune 23,351AD 13725 AG Leto II Death 26,885AD 15264 AG series end 28,424 AD This leaves out a lot of stuff but you can do your own math on the rest of the dates. It seems they changed the dates a bit to maybe make it simpler and an even number for when 1960 was compared to when BG turned to AG
@vasoooooo-gu1wj i expect something otherwordly futuristic during thinking machine existence in dune prophecy yet all we get is the same old looking 70s cold war atmosphere, really dissapointing, the concept is interesting on how humanity stop progressing after banning AI and keep feudalism though
Thanks for including Frank Herbert's sons collaborative works. While his works are shadows of his fathers they are very important to the lore. Originalists do not consider the sons works as canon however I do appreciate the books.
I don't mind adding, but the quality is... mediocre at best. And it seems they know as they've just been trying to connect as many plot points as possible to the original novels. That also cheapens Frank's novels, imho.
One correction I would make. It wasn't Elrood IX that tried to create Amal but a very young, and newly christened Shaddam IV that would conspire with the Bene Tlielax on a recently conquered Ix to attempt to make Amal a reality so he could take away the monopoly on space travel.
🤣'Democray'? Oh dear. Its a quaint concept that in practice, is only beneficial in small communities that are close knit, well educated and who's members have similar goals. Beyond that it serves to do little for the majority, while those who operate outside of it's influence, prosper.
@@gregsmith7821 By the same token, there is only one form of governance, authoritarian, in these 35000 years of history does not make any sense either.
@@zollen123 Makes perfect sense to me. You may not accept or notice it but, there is always a struggle at the top, by those who truly rule. You won't know who that is under the illusion of our western style democracies but it is there and Dune tells the story of those at the top, fighting for control.
More interestingky, how is time calculated in a universe where people live on different planets in different acceleration frameworks and where FTL is possible?
Ftl its not possible there, for travelling to different places in the universe, humans use gigantic ships that fold spacetime and create passages among the stars. Thats why navigators need spice, so they can see “safe” routes in the universe
@@PizzaKingSupreme carefully with that claim. Most of Brian’s work is based off manuscripts and pieces by his father that wasn't included in the books. Tolkien had this happen as well.
@@COMMINTNEWS That is absolutely not true has been refuted by many of Frank Herbert's friends and colleagues. Frank Herbert died in 1986 and suddenly 40 years later, all this undiscovered work starts suddenly appearing? More likely, Brian Herbert, a failed author who was incapable of writing anything noteworthy on his own, saw the money he could make off his father's intellectual property and cashed in. None of the original "notes and unused manuscripts" that Brian Herbert claims to exist have ever been made public, in sharp contrast to Christopher Tolkien who had no problem showing off his father's unused content.
He didn't. Just read Dune: Messiah within the last month. He unnerved everyone by seeming to see everything perfectly even though he had been blinded physically
@@mikestafford6900 I asked ChatGPT and don't know if it was hallucination or not but it said the Stone Burner was radioactive and had some degrading effect on Paul's prescience. Also yeah, Neo being able to see despite having his eyes burned in The matrix was a rip off of Dune.
No his prescience cranked up a notch. He was locked into one prescient vision, such that he didn’t need eyes. Then the vision went dark as soon as his twins were born (he had only foreseen his son). Invisibility to prescience would become an important part of Leto II’s Golden Path.
@@rolinthor basically, Leto II was born prescient, he did not need to go through any process to get that way. The basics are that any prescient person cannot see any other prescient person, only the places where they have been, or where they intend to go. so when Leto II was born, his prescience kicked in, blinding Paul, who then wandered into the desert which the old Fremen custom for those who are no longer useful to the tribe.
Brian claims his prequels and sequels are based on notes his dad left. My problem with this is that Frank spent 4 books pointing out just dangerous a kwisatz haderach is. Yet Brian ends his sequels by celebrating the creation of a new one 🤔. Dont get me started on the old man and women at the end of Chapterhouse being AI that survived the jehad when Frank already explained what they were in the final chapter he wrote
Man I ain’t no dummy, but I don’t know if I’m too stoned or what right now, but I watched the beginning of this three times and I cannot calculate those numbers 😂 it’s pissing me off if anybody has some help on how to line those two timelines up lmk
Great video but my one point is why bother showing the female actress from Dune playing Liet-Kynes when in the books Liet was a male. You should have shown Max von Sydow. If you're going to make a video about the timeline of the books, then use the correct characters. Just my opinion.
Worst ending of all time I was thinking 🤔 about buying the Dune 2 DVD 📀, but after seeing the ending I felt sick 🤒 and changed my mind I have decided to become a witch 🧙 instead.
ACKSHUALLY, its Kralizec, not Krazilec. And also, as far as I know there are no Tleilaxu women. They were all converted to axolotl tanks. What makes you think they somehow got off planet and became Honored Matres?
I can certainly predict with certainly a heavily Luddite movement when it comes to robotics...let that sink in...helpful, quick, efficient, but people won't like the mass "Death of a Salesman" effect on jobs for humans...
Arakis is Tattoine....Star Wars occured a long time ago in a galxay far far away...it evolved into Arakis and the Sarlacc evolved into the worms...remember that spice is mentioned in Star Wars and Machines are considered as equal.
@@vippainter4513do you mean in reality or in this head cannon? Because in this head cannon Star Wars is older, it happened “long ago in a galaxy far far away”
Except there are thousands of sentient alien races in star wars that dont exist in dune. Nor are any ruins of ancient civilisations found at any point in the dune timeline
Tolkien was an academic genius who developed the cosmology of Middle Earth as a thorough and unified concept. Lucas and Herbert had great imaginations, but neither one had 10% of Tolkien's knowledge. Yet, how can you measure the "depth" of a fictional universe? The symmetry of its historical narrative? The duration of time that it covers? A qualitative or quantitative measurement of its attested details? The robustness of its potential to inspire? Once a certain threshold of work has been passed, to flesh out a fictional universe, there's really no way to accurately say that it has less depth than others of its ilk.
Good video but please learn the actual pronunciations of the names. Its difficult to listen to the video when you repeatedly call things the wrong name
3:45 this makes no sense there are no connection between two religions why would they merge? If it was islam x Christianity it would have made more sense and also this new prophet thing also makes no sense
Except Brian’s books are more fun to read. You don’t have to listen to all the constant narrative and repetitive story telling. Frank comes off stiff while Brian just lets the story flow along. Frank should have stopped after Children of Dune. The last 2 books were horrible. The ending of God Emperor of Dune was broadcast throughout the whole thing and Leto’s death came across like a 50s western. Frank had a great vision and created a magnificent universe that in many ways is very believable, but he didn’t seem to finish his original series well. Brian gave a great entry into understanding the Dune world without getting mystical. IMHO
“…comparable to the depth of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars.” Whaaat? Star Wars was conceived as a kids’ fantasy movie and was based on old movie serials they used to play between double features in theaters in the 1930’s and 1940’s. (And don’t take my word for that - George Lucas himself has said so in interviews).
The concept of the Lord of the Rings was born from fairy tales and leprechauns and gnomes-goofy nonsense that no one takes seriously. That kid stuff inspired Tolkien to craft an epic world of high fantasy. Regardless of how _Star Wars_ was conceived, the stories and lore of that universe have grown to include hundreds of sources: All types of books, films, and other media. You can take a silly, tiny little joke of a concept and turn it into something massive and super serious. It just takes work. And the _Star Wars_ universe has been the subject of the collective work done by thousands of creative people.
@@satchelsatchel I understand that there are probably millions of pages of fan fiction (much of that turned into further movies and series by the mega corporation and entertainment conglomerate Disney) based on the original concepts of creator George Lucas, and that also I posted an unpopular opinion due to the comparative fan bases of Star Wars, LotR, and Dune, but as far as the world-building and themes based on the works of the *original* creators, Star Wars will never hold a candle to the other two mentioned. And, as a reader of the original novels (of which there none in the Star Wars canon), that’s a hill I’m definitely willing to die on.
@@satchelsatchel Add: …and I realize that “The Hobbit” novel was also conceived as a fantasy book aimed at a young audience (which was the fashion for almost all fantasy fiction at the time, example: “The Wizard of Oz”), Tolkien’s magnum opuses “LotR” and “The Silmarillion” definitely were not. As “Dune” from the get-go was not. There is absolutely no comparison between the world-building of “Star Wars” and the other two. And that counts later embellishments by the countless other contributors to the Star Wars franchise as well. Now, since my statements here will no doubt offend Star Wars fans, meaning probably literally a billion people or so worldwide, I want to make it clear that the Star Wars universe has lots of cool stuff in it. My only issue (and it’s admittedly a geek quibbling here, because no one besides a geek such as myself would really care) is that the content creator lumped the three franchises together. Star Wars has cool stuff but no overarching theme such as LotR’s rejection of power, or Dune’s timescale and projected evolution of the human race. It has the Force (a mystical but vaguely defined power source, see: Rey and her plot armor), the Empire (bad) and the rebel alliance (good). So, it’s still for kids, even though some of them are in the form of old people at this point.
Toppling a genocidal robot empire that wanted to destroy humanity? Let's continue to count the years as normal. A corporation got a new name and became a bigger company? The year is now 0.
You left out that the nuclear attack on Old Earth during the rebellion against the machines left the planet a lifeless radioactive cinder, and this was the death of our home world. It would eventually become a myth, it's location forgotten.
till battlestar galactica arrived with the cylons and started a new creation cycle
The nuclear attack on Earth is in the video at 07:05.
Kinda made me sad... saying our world
Old Earth or the Newer Earth (Galactica)
I preferred the timeline in the Dune Encyclopedia which saw Earth set apart as a nature reserve once it had been terraformed after being hit by an asteroid.
Frank Herbert is spinning so fast in his grave that it might be a viable source of sustainable energy...
Long as we heed his warning about charismatic leaders being the beginning of the end... oh wait...
This is actually the origin of the the holtzman drives 😂
@@Nefylymi know you're not referring to Trump. Trump is the antithesis to the government. Having too much power, that's why you see the current government Democrats and Republicans freaking out about this man. They are so scared that he's going to set things straight. He's not a danger to this country. He's a danger to the incumbent. Form of government that is currently running this country, which is corrupt
This is awesome, I learned about Dune from the game Dune II, but it took me almost 30 years before I touched the first book of Dune.
At 40 yo, I am now totally mesmerized by this work from Frank Herbert
Enjoy, it's been my favorite book since i first read it 30 years ago.
Keep digging
Oh..."Thinking Machines" or "Living Machines"...This was all revealed to Spock, Son of Sarek during his Space Walk in the V'Ger probe/entity!! Maybe, yes??
I love stories that span 10s of thousands of years. So epic.
It would have been good to include the genesis of the Bene G’s, Mentats and the Navigators.
Next- Foundation timeline please. I'm more interested in that.
Foundation timeline is more beautiful (not a fan of the ending but I do fully respect it), but Dune's timeline is more fun (unless you are a purist).
Great synopsis of a long period of time. It’s such a detailed universe it would take hours to go through all of it.
wait, so there are no aliens in the whole dune universe !
Nope!
Yes, everybody's human unless they merge with a worm for some reason.
At least it's not snakes
@@sdaniels7114
No intelligent sentient life atleast
The sandworms would be aliens. They’re silicone based and different from any human or earth like being
So Duncan Idaho is the hero of Dune! My mind is blown.
lol and the BEST part of it is that now you don''t have to read the last book in the Dune series, which was written by Silverberg and Herbert's not-so-literarily-gifted son.
Yes, you figure it out by God emperor, but the big reveal comes closer to the end of the series
How is it that fashions never changed in 10,000 years?
You make a great point. Herbert's notion that a human political, social, or cultural _status quo_ might last for 10,000 years is juvenile, ignorant, unrealistic, and preposterous. Maybe 500 years, at the utmost maximum. But 10,000 years? No.
@@satchelsatchelWelcome to fiction
@@satchelsatchelThe point is that the Empire became stagnant within its feudal system. The only real change came with Paul and the ultimate change came with Leto II, the God Emperor. Also the Harkonens made there first fortune fron dealing in whale fur for clothing and such. I'm sure fashions changed among the people and the Aristocracy. Its just not explored.
Literally read this on Reddit a few hours ago and then I stumbled upon your comment. I think this explains it pretty well
“The stagnancy of the Imperium is deliberate, entrenched by the Imperial power structure, and perpetuated by the few powers outside of the Imperial ruling class that could change things.
After the downfall of the Thinking Machines, every facet of the ruling powers of the Human race, from the nobility to the corporations to the Spacing Guild, opted to settle in to stagnation rather than take any risks that might arise from exploration or deviation.
The timescale is there to illustrate that, by the time of Paul Atreides, the species entire evolutionary track has settled into a slow decline because of stagnation. 1,000 years, or even 5,000 years, is not enough to really show how dire their addiction to the status quo is.
Consider how far the Human race developed in the last 10k years. Then add the 10k years it takes to get to the Butlerian Jihad. From discovery of agriculture to a galaxy(?) spanning empire with all the trimmings of super advanced technology. Being stagnant for 10k years after all that change is almost inconceivable, and yet that is their reality. They don't change, they don't develop or grow or change for 10,000 years.
The purpose of Leto Il Atreides, the God Emperor, is to force through domination and unimaginable cruelty and tyranny the Human race to start developing again, to start changing and growing”
@ArchThaBoss thank you, this is the best explanation
6:35 love seeing my images in the Wild. Just curious where you found this?
Your image looks like you used AI
The AI that generates the content on this channel, hoovered it up from the internet.
@@maifantasia3650 🤣 should have watermarked it. As well, no big deal.
@@maifantasia3650 dont use AI either dude
@@MrmerryPippin-tw6rv - huh?
Wonderful video. In which year was Arakis completely destroyed with weapons? Sometime after the scattering? I saw a posting describing the event but it did not specify the year.
The Honored Matres destroyed the planet during their war between the Bene Gesserit. So it‘s near 15.000 AG. I don’t know the exact date.
A lot of this (titans, Omnius and whatnot) was added later. It wasn't mentioned by Frank Herbert, which is why it feels tacky and needless. Books published after his death try entice readers by tying as many plot points as possible to Frank's novels.
His son found notes that Frank had written which fleshed out the universe and that is where the books his son wrote came from
@jamesnicholls9969 I seriosly doubt that. You notice the difference in approach. To clarify, I believe there were some notes, but I am certain most of it was made up by them
@@jamesnicholls9969 That's partially true. While Frank Herbert had left a completed version of Chapterhouse and an outline/partially completed sequel to Chapterhouse after his death, there wasn't anything else outside of that. Brian Herbert makes the erroneous claim of these so-called notes in order to keep writing garbage knock-off novels to insert in the series.
Frank Herberts Books aside from the Original arent really good either, its not like hes that great an author. Take it or leave it...
@@Feaynnewedd Read the Dosadi Experiment and come back
What sources were used after Dune Chapterhouse? Interested as I just finished the original series and am unsure of where to go to next.
Next is 'hunters of dune'
Then it's 'sandworms of dune'
These are written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson.
imo its best to just read the encyclopedia and stop. Brians novels arent nearly as deep and well written as Franks and answer too many questions that should have been left to our own imagination.
@@Graf69 Chill, thanks mate!
@@Graf69True, and while I love the encyclopedia, it also contradicts Frank's later books. While he endorsed it, he did not stick to the timeline portrayed in the encyclopedia. He went in his own way. It's a great read, and I've read it several times but it's unfortunately not canon.
@treadstone1138 I always thought they ended some time after the Scattering and before the events of Heretics and Chapterhouse. Canon be damned, for me it's still better as a collaborative work of intricate fanfiction than the prequels, sidequels and sequels.
Dune speaks to us because, in some place we prefer not to look, we know it's true.
There's something about sci fi fiction that leaves me deeply depressed
Maybe because we don't get to be as cool 😂
Realizing how early you're born and will never get the opportunity to discover if indeed all that tech and exploring of the universe is true.
If you think about it we are living in the pasts sci fi. To bad we don't have the flying cars though.
This universe is so created and dope. Love dune
Brian Hebert is just legacy name attached to Kevin J. Anderson's work.
I could be sold on a dunkin idaho series where momoa returns as this recreated version of duncan idaho
I think you overlooked perhaps the most fully fleshed out sci-fi timeline. Isaac Asimov’s “Foundation”.
OH man, about 5 years ago I revisited that series after 30 years. Binge read all of them, then dove into the whole Robot series after as well. So good!.
Ditto
Why does the storyline after Frank Herbert’s death sound absolutely terrible?
i agree but to be fair, it's partly because the mystique is gone for things such as the butlerian jihad. Whatever we imagined in our own heads is going to be way better than someone elses interpretation. Still doesn't make it good though.
I agree, the Dune Encyclopedia was much better. FH never officially endorsed it but did express appreciation for the work that had gone into it. Post FH books are poorly-written and the ideas feel like bad fanfiction compared to FH's work.
The old man couldn't let it go. He should have called it good at the death of Leto II which is where I'll stop the next time I read the series. Brilliant to that point and then it's like he didn't know what to do with his characters in this incredible world he built. At his passing his son became involved
Because the books by his son are poorly written fanfic with absolutely none of the gravitas of the real ones?
I don't think any Universe has as much depth as this one.
Warhammer.
@@sleepyjoe7843warhammer is mostly random ahh stuff though
@@NiteLite-Andrew I think biggest difference is that DUNE is more about politics and warhammer, well about war.
@@sleepyjoe7843 best explanaition i heard of this
I think the entire spread of the Star Wars timeline is about 75,000 years. Legends and canon
BEST Dune video ever!
very nicely done :)
Comparing Dune’s depth with Star Wars is bold
I think it would be more appropriate to say that Dune has depth and Star Wars is expansive.
@ I absolutely agree
Thx!
Is it 10, 13, or 16 minutes?
Nice, good job ❤
is the Dune timeline larger than 3 Body Problem timeline?
_3 Body Problem_ is not in any single way comparable to Dune.
3 body problem timeline spans millions of years, so no
They've seemingly changed the wiki timeline over the past year or so. Originally, or at least as of the information available about two years ago, the timeline matched with ours like so:
11136 BG is 2024
1 AG is the year 13,160AD
10176 AG Paul birth 23,336AD
10191 AG start Dune 23,351AD
13725 AG Leto II Death 26,885AD
15264 AG series end 28,424 AD
This leaves out a lot of stuff but you can do your own math on the rest of the dates.
It seems they changed the dates a bit to maybe make it simpler and an even number for when 1960 was compared to when BG turned to AG
20k years ahead of us and they still fight with swords
@vasoooooo-gu1wj they penetrate shields
@vasoooooo-gu1wj i expect something otherwordly futuristic during thinking machine existence in dune prophecy yet all we get is the same old looking 70s cold war atmosphere, really dissapointing, the concept is interesting on how humanity stop progressing after banning AI and keep feudalism though
Thanks for including Frank Herbert's sons collaborative works. While his works are shadows of his fathers they are very important to the lore. Originalists do not consider the sons works as canon however I do appreciate the books.
I don't mind adding, but the quality is... mediocre at best. And it seems they know as they've just been trying to connect as many plot points as possible to the original novels. That also cheapens Frank's novels, imho.
I thought I read where paul could trace the Atreides lineage all the way back to king Arthur
Not King Arthur, Agamemnon.
Just be make it clear, not in-universe titan Agamemnon, but the mythological Myceanian king.
I like how progressively it gets weirder and weirder
It would been nice to mention the book you are referencing.
So, in the Dune universe planet Earth is rotated 90 and the poles are in the equator 1:19
One correction I would make. It wasn't Elrood IX that tried to create Amal but a very young, and newly christened Shaddam IV that would conspire with the Bene Tlielax on a recently conquered Ix to attempt to make Amal a reality so he could take away the monopoly on space travel.
So... basically a lot like Scientology and Zenu but a LOT less expensive and no Tom Cruise.
In these 35000 years, nobody ever considered Democracy as another form of governance?
democracy isnt best form of rule
@@AdamBuccaschie Neither is authoritarian. I called it lazy story telling.
🤣'Democray'? Oh dear. Its a quaint concept that in practice, is only beneficial in small communities that are close knit, well educated and who's members have similar goals.
Beyond that it serves to do little for the majority, while those who operate outside of it's influence, prosper.
@@gregsmith7821 By the same token, there is only one form of governance, authoritarian, in these 35000 years of history does not make any sense either.
@@zollen123 Makes perfect sense to me. You may not accept or notice it but, there is always a struggle at the top, by those who truly rule. You won't know who that is under the illusion of our western style democracies but it is there and Dune tells the story of those at the top, fighting for control.
More interestingky, how is time calculated in a universe where people live on different planets in different acceleration frameworks and where FTL is possible?
I'm pretty sure if someone can invent space travel they can sensibly talk everyone into using the same framework for measuring time galactically
Ftl its not possible there, for travelling to different places in the universe, humans use gigantic ships that fold spacetime and create passages among the stars. Thats why navigators need spice, so they can see “safe” routes in the universe
I wonder if i have any decendents that would've survived this long in this world
Hold up. There are only 6 Star Wars films.
Anyone old enough to remember when the joke was that there are only 3 Star Wars movies? Or that there was only 1?
Amen
Yep, and there are only 6 Dune books actually written by Frank Herbert
@@PizzaKingSupreme carefully with that claim. Most of Brian’s work is based off manuscripts and pieces by his father that wasn't included in the books. Tolkien had this happen as well.
@@COMMINTNEWS That is absolutely not true has been refuted by many of Frank Herbert's friends and colleagues. Frank Herbert died in 1986 and suddenly 40 years later, all this undiscovered work starts suddenly appearing? More likely, Brian Herbert, a failed author who was incapable of writing anything noteworthy on his own, saw the money he could make off his father's intellectual property and cashed in. None of the original "notes and unused manuscripts" that Brian Herbert claims to exist have ever been made public, in sharp contrast to Christopher Tolkien who had no problem showing off his father's unused content.
Your voice kind of reminds me of EpicNate315... 🤔
Thank you
ok, so when will we fight chatGPT ?
It has already happened. ✊🤜🤖
I don't think Paul lost his prescience in the stone burner attack that blinded him.
He didn't. Just read Dune: Messiah within the last month. He unnerved everyone by seeming to see everything perfectly even though he had been blinded physically
@@mikestafford6900 I asked ChatGPT and don't know if it was hallucination or not but it said the Stone Burner was radioactive and had some degrading effect on Paul's prescience.
Also yeah, Neo being able to see despite having his eyes burned in The matrix was a rip off of Dune.
@@NewsRedial I don't remember that from the book. His "Vision" remained after he lost his eyes. Chani's death affected his prescience iirc.
No his prescience cranked up a notch. He was locked into one prescient vision, such that he didn’t need eyes. Then the vision went dark as soon as his twins were born (he had only foreseen his son). Invisibility to prescience would become an important part of Leto II’s Golden Path.
@@rolinthor basically, Leto II was born prescient, he did not need to go through any process to get that way. The basics are that any prescient person cannot see any other prescient person, only the places where they have been, or where they intend to go. so when Leto II was born, his prescience kicked in, blinding Paul, who then wandered into the desert which the old Fremen custom for those who are no longer useful to the tribe.
thanks, now i dont have to read the books.
And where did those ppl get the “sand trout”???
So Duncan becomes the true hero of mankind.
what fresh AI-generated hell is this?
Gene Roddenberry vision of the future is probably the most accurate considering the way things are going
Brian claims his prequels and sequels are based on notes his dad left. My problem with this is that Frank spent 4 books pointing out just dangerous a kwisatz haderach is. Yet Brian ends his sequels by celebrating the creation of a new one 🤔. Dont get me started on the old man and women at the end of Chapterhouse being AI that survived the jehad when Frank already explained what they were in the final chapter he wrote
So many years to fit in the calendar app
Brian deserves a kick in the ass for what he did to his father’s work. Utterly ridiculous 🤦♂️
So anything that doesnt have Frank Herbert's name on it, and only his name, is just batshit insanity, got it.
How did I sit through this
Man I ain’t no dummy, but I don’t know if I’m too stoned or what right now, but I watched the beginning of this three times and I cannot calculate those numbers 😂 it’s pissing me off if anybody has some help on how to line those two timelines up lmk
what's a sand trout?
Precursor to sand worm
Don't forget! Asimov's Foundation is also the "most intricately" developed fictional story!!!
Very good. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Yes. In the 1960s humans discovered space. I'm pretty sure humans have been aware of space for a lot longer.
maybe they mean discover how to reach space, not just making theory about it
The fish from water world become the worms of the sand world. Both plantetTary ecosystems aee linked
😮😮😮!! Nice!
13:40 Ma- Tray not May-Tore, It's Mother not Tomato!!!
The ending resembles that of Matrix, in fact.
Great video but my one point is why bother showing the female actress from Dune playing Liet-Kynes when in the books Liet was a male. You should have shown Max von Sydow. If you're going to make a video about the timeline of the books, then use the correct characters. Just my opinion.
Liet Kynes as an African woman is WOKE.
No one created this content. It is all AI generated and uploaded.
the AI is pronunciation of names is just horrendous
So is the nonsense content.
A lot of the pronunciations of the names are wrong. For example, "Ithaca" should have the first syllable stressed, not the second.
No mention of Sonia or letos gift… 🤷🏻♂️
DOPE.
Yeah good story. Still prefer Asimov though.
so after dune 2 we need at least 10 more movies got it
Dune Messiah will be the last movie Denis will make.
Seems like a superdeep clusterfuck of what the hell is going on
Worst ending of all time I was thinking 🤔 about buying the Dune 2 DVD 📀, but after seeing the ending I felt sick 🤒 and changed my mind I have decided to become a witch 🧙 instead.
DUNE could really use a bigger worm...
This is just like Eastenders
ACKSHUALLY, its Kralizec, not Krazilec.
And also, as far as I know there are no Tleilaxu women. They were all converted to axolotl tanks. What makes you think they somehow got off planet and became Honored Matres?
The AI that generates this garbage just isn't up to the task.
The AI gen voiceover is irritating. It is incapable of properly pronouncing names and terms, and is anoyingly invariant.
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Pretty sure this is a real person voicing it…
Lol
Yeah no, I think it’s a real person… no ai that I know of has this accent 😂😂
Benny Lilacs.
I can certainly predict with certainly a heavily Luddite movement when it comes to robotics...let that sink in...helpful, quick, efficient, but people won't like the mass "Death of a Salesman" effect on jobs for humans...
Arakis is Tattoine....Star Wars occured a long time ago in a galxay far far away...it evolved into Arakis and the Sarlacc evolved into the worms...remember that spice is mentioned in Star Wars and Machines are considered as equal.
Technically dune evolved into star wars. Dune existed before it and was the shaping of it.😅
@@vippainter4513do you mean in reality or in this head cannon? Because in this head cannon Star Wars is older, it happened “long ago in a galaxy far far away”
Lucas was heavily influenced by Herbert.
Except there are thousands of sentient alien races in star wars that dont exist in dune. Nor are any ruins of ancient civilisations found at any point in the dune timeline
All movies are connected
the honored maters? tomaters?
Doone?
Comparing Dune and LOTR to Star Wars on “depth” is wild. 😂
Tolkien was an academic genius who developed the cosmology of Middle Earth as a thorough and unified concept. Lucas and Herbert had great imaginations, but neither one had 10% of Tolkien's knowledge. Yet, how can you measure the "depth" of a fictional universe? The symmetry of its historical narrative? The duration of time that it covers? A qualitative or quantitative measurement of its attested details? The robustness of its potential to inspire? Once a certain threshold of work has been passed, to flesh out a fictional universe, there's really no way to accurately say that it has less depth than others of its ilk.
@@satchelsatchel I love chat GPT too……
@@dk280888 I dont. ButlerianJihad! ✊🤜🤖
What happened to Earth during this whole Dune universe .. is it in the books? I tried asking chat GPT but he didn't know.
exist but classified for religious purposes
Good video but please learn the actual pronunciations of the names. Its difficult to listen to the video when you repeatedly call things the wrong name
3:45 this makes no sense there are no connection between two religions why would they merge? If it was islam x Christianity it would have made more sense and also this new prophet thing also makes no sense
Drew Miles Teg to look like a froot loop.
It's Íthaca, not Itháca
These names and words are just being torn up please please read the names and words right
…… and Star Wars…. , that’s funny 🤣🤣🤣
So everyone with the “atreides” name is dead?
Interesting video, but my God the narrator has an annoying voice. It’s really not necessary to go up at the end of every sentence. Very offputting.
Brian herbert is not Frank Herbert. Dune is Dune. Brian stories are like horribly written fan fiction.
Getting much traction with that?
Except Brian’s books are more fun to read. You don’t have to listen to all the constant narrative and repetitive story telling. Frank comes off stiff while Brian just lets the story flow along. Frank should have stopped after Children of Dune. The last 2 books were horrible. The ending of God Emperor of Dune was broadcast throughout the whole thing and Leto’s death came across like a 50s western. Frank had a great vision and created a magnificent universe that in many ways is very believable, but he didn’t seem to finish his original series well. Brian gave a great entry into understanding the Dune world without getting mystical. IMHO
YOU PRONOUNCE WORDS LIKE SOMEONE WITH NO TONGUE !!!
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“…comparable to the depth of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars.” Whaaat? Star Wars was conceived as a kids’ fantasy movie and was based on old movie serials they used to play between double features in theaters in the 1930’s and 1940’s. (And don’t take my word for that - George Lucas himself has said so in interviews).
The concept of the Lord of the Rings was born from fairy tales and leprechauns and gnomes-goofy nonsense that no one takes seriously. That kid stuff inspired Tolkien to craft an epic world of high fantasy. Regardless of how _Star Wars_ was conceived, the stories and lore of that universe have grown to include hundreds of sources: All types of books, films, and other media. You can take a silly, tiny little joke of a concept and turn it into something massive and super serious. It just takes work. And the _Star Wars_ universe has been the subject of the collective work done by thousands of creative people.
Just mean theres more media based on those franchises. I think i own 10 star wars video games.
@@satchelsatchel I understand that there are probably millions of pages of fan fiction (much of that turned into further movies and series by the mega corporation and entertainment conglomerate Disney) based on the original concepts of creator George Lucas, and that also I posted an unpopular opinion due to the comparative fan bases of Star Wars, LotR, and Dune, but as far as the world-building and themes based on the works of the *original* creators, Star Wars will never hold a candle to the other two mentioned. And, as a reader of the original novels (of which there none in the Star Wars canon), that’s a hill I’m definitely willing to die on.
@@satchelsatchel Add: …and I realize that “The Hobbit” novel was also conceived as a fantasy book aimed at a young audience (which was the fashion for almost all fantasy fiction at the time, example: “The Wizard of Oz”), Tolkien’s magnum opuses “LotR” and “The Silmarillion” definitely were not. As “Dune” from the get-go was not. There is absolutely no comparison between the world-building of “Star Wars” and the other two. And that counts later embellishments by the countless other contributors to the Star Wars franchise as well.
Now, since my statements here will no doubt offend Star Wars fans, meaning probably literally a billion people or so worldwide, I want to make it clear that the Star Wars universe has lots of cool stuff in it. My only issue (and it’s admittedly a geek quibbling here, because no one besides a geek such as myself would really care) is that the content creator lumped the three franchises together. Star Wars has cool stuff but no overarching theme such as LotR’s rejection of power, or Dune’s timescale and projected evolution of the human race. It has the Force (a mystical but vaguely defined power source, see: Rey and her plot armor), the Empire (bad) and the rebel alliance (good). So, it’s still for kids, even though some of them are in the form of old people at this point.
Toppling a genocidal robot empire that wanted to destroy humanity? Let's continue to count the years as normal. A corporation got a new name and became a bigger company? The year is now 0.
'They denied us the Hajj!' - which massively predates the Luddites so maybe the history starts there? Debatable at least.
For those complaining about additives to Fran Herbert’s Dune. You do realize all of these things added were things he actually wrote? Brian added.
They are not all things he wrote. Brian didn't just copy and paste.
Yall to greed with the like subscribe and bell .. pick one lol
Terminator timeline was Duen precursor?!