I’m 37 yrs. of age and played football for 8 yrs..I’ve been watching, studying, and, analyzing the game of football for 30yrs. Travis Is the best TE when it comes to big games, agility, IQ, awareness, route running, & coming up big in clutch moments. 💯
Kelce way better than gronk not even close look at the numbers. Gronk only good because he played for Tom Brady kelce was already on gronk tier with Alex Smith. With mahomes kelce will pass everyone he is the only TE to ever have 7 straight 1,0000 season
Cause Kelce said it once he don’t be running the play Reid says to do sometimes he just goes on and do his own routes which gets him wide open and gives him an easy way to get the ball from Mahomes
I think Bill Walsh is better just because he created the West Coast offense and he has two more Super Bowls but still Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches ever my top three Bill Belichick Bill Walsh Andy Reid
@@dyland1286 I never said sharpe was better! and this comment is stupid when Shannon is in the hall of fame and possibly a top 5 tight end ever!!! I was simply saying with the way the game has changed and that record is still there and he was on a run first team
Like Ryan said what makes Reid so special is the success of the coaches underneath him have had in there own careers. There are 8 current nfl head coaches that came from the Andy Reid Tree. 4 of the Head Coaches in this years playoffs were coordinators for Andy Reid. Bellichek is an outstanding coach other than Nick Saban in college most of his coordinators have struggled in head coaching jobs.
Just based on what I've heard about Belichick vs Reid, Belichick has to always be in control whereas Andy always is willing to help everyone be the best while also allowing to do their own thing
No he gets doubled all the time lol idky ppl just say stuff knowing it's wrong. Makes it seem like u troll. He is open all the time when EVERYONE knows he is getting the ball. EVERYONE
Travis is the greatest route running tight end of all time. That, combined with the improv that he has with Pat allows him to break off routes and find openings. Do you think teams are leaving him open on purpose to score touchdowns?
For all the people disregarding Shannon Sharpe, understand that passing wasn’t the biggest element like it is now… and he still put up 10,000 yards. Travis is number 3 to me, behind Gronk and Shannon. Gronk is the ONLY TE to league the WHOLE LEAGUE in reception TD’s and not to mention he has 5 years of 10+ TD’s (The Only TE to do that as well). And Gronk is the greatest BLOCKING TE whose ever lived. Travis is in the convo and he’s getting there, but he hasn’t been able to block like Gronk or catch TD’s like Gronk. 🤷🏽♂️💯
It’s refreshing to see not everyone is a prisoner of the moment and understands the differences between the eras and how that impacts stats (regular season + playoffs). Kelce is definitely top 5 maybe top 3. Ryan Clark has been drinking that kool aid.
As much I love both Travis and Pat, it was Tom & Gronk who stopped them 2x from getting a SB. I really don’t think those can be caught; at least in my lifetime.
Gronk is the greatest. He could do everything at an elite level. The only way you could stop gronk was to try to hurt him and knock him out of the game. He was always getting his knees chopped. He was unstoppable.
@@tevincollins2869it ain’t. Antonio was a dawg, and for a long time at that, but he wasn’t able to put it together, in back to back to back seasons, for as long as a span as Kelce. I’d have gates about 5th/6th behind Kelce, Tony, gronk, Shannon, Ozzie, then gates
@@Wop06 he has the most TD's for ANY TE!!! So what do you mean he didn't put together back to back to back seasons haha Kellen Winslow, Gonzales, Gronk, Gates, Sharpe are all ahead of Kelce 💯💯💯
@@louisloother301 first of all that’s because he played for damn near 15 years, I would hope he is the all time td leader. Second of all Antonio gates had 2 seasons in those 15 years of 1000+ receiving yards, Kelce has SEVEN consecutive seasons of 1000+ receiving yards. Kelce almost has the same amount of receiving yards as Antonio gates while playing like 5 less seasons. As a matter of fact, I’m not sure there is any other tight end in nfl history that has that many consecutive 1000+ yd seasons, I think gronk may have had 2-3, but not seven…that’s what I mean when I say Antonio gates wasn’t able to play at the same level as Kelce for as long and continuous as Kelce did. And that ain’t even counting sb appearances, sb championships…Kelce already has the same amount of pro bowls and more first team all pro selections than Antonio gates did while playing 5 less seasons. You can have the debate with gronk and Tony, but Antonio gates ain’t even in the same stratosphere as Kelce or the other two. All time great for sure, but he ain’t touching kelce, and that’s coming from someone who watched the full careers of both.
You have to think that if the league has done so much to protect the quarterbacks in todays game, it makes it easier for tight ends to get receptions which means it’s easier for modern tight ends to put up stats. I am putting TG and Shay at the top and then Gronk and Kelce
Agreed, also a lot of hits/tackles that were allowed back then that TG and Shay would receive, would be illegal now. Like back then you could get destroyed running down the middle of the field for a pass. Now adays, it's a lot easier for TE's to get open and catch passes.
Travis Kelce in my opinion is top 2 Tight End of all time hand downs! He is very underrated and he have no weakness to his game at all. Before Travis Kecle leave the game of football for good, he will win 2 or 3 rings before it all set and done! Andy Reid is the best Head Coach is the best Head Coach and that is a fact!
I still don't see how they can have a serious discussion about best coach ever and not even mention Vince Lombardi. He coached a total 10 years, 9 in Green Bay with 5 championships (2 of which were SB I and SB II) and in 1 years turned the Redskins fi0rom a cellar dweller into a playoff team (2 years later the made it to the superbowl with much of the nucleus Lombardi developed).
The only thing I can say against Gronk, was that he was unfortunate to be injured as often as he was. He could have been greater if fate dealt him a better hand (and if DBs didn’t aim for his knees).
Kelce hasn’t passed Gronk yet. Gronk got hit with some nasty ass low tackles because you couldn’t tackle him one on one unless you took his knees out. He was megatron at the TE position. Gronk would block defenders into their coaches lap. You couldn’t ask for better hands. Kelce/Rice as Gronk/Moss. IMO
Ryan gives a great argument for Kelce. However , it’s just crazy how good gronk is a lot of Brady’s successes in the latter years of his career were due to gronk.
@@butterxo3094 gronk also had injury issues cause he was so damn big and was used as a blocker all the time because New England would run it way more than KC does. Guys would dive head first at gronks knees to take him out in the time
@@kurtschaaf2165 True but sometime your best ability is your availability and Gronk's body just broke down before all these other great TE. Is he the BEST ever (most dominant) I'd agree is he the GREATEST ever I'd probably disagree I think Tony G or Kelce are ahead of him
So many people are bashing on Ryan Clark, saying "what about Gronk?" Re-listen to what Ryan Clark said. When it comes to the post season, Kelce is above any TE, the stats prove it. Regular season, there is a debate to be had, but post season, the games that again, matter most, Kelce's only competition is who? Jerry Rice, the best WR in the history of the NFL. Think about that for a minute. Now answer me this, which matters more, regular season stats/success, or post season stats/success? I think we all know it is the later. Gronk is probably the best blocking TE to ever play, dude is beast in that regard, but in terms of the best TE when it comes to receiving and making plays, Kelce is proving he is the top dog. In the games it matters most, and against the top teams, Kelce is the dude.
Chill Kelce put up solid numbers before Mahomes came alone 67 for 862 72 for 875 85 for 1,125 83 for 1,038 Before Mahomes came along, put some respek on him
I'm sorry I am taking Reid>BB any day. BB is a mess without Brady. We've seen Reid divisions with different QBs, make SBs with a different QB, and just continue to win.
These guys on t.v. have such short memories. It's unbelievable that they played the game. Travis is good but so is George kittle and those other guys they mentioned.
@@QuanLovesGaming kittle never had anyone near to patrick mahomes talent throwing him the ball he's had Brock purdy and garoppolo throwing him the ball in a run first offense and yet he's still one of the best tight ends in the game imagine if he had mahomes all these years like Kelce
The common denominator for head coach Any Reid and TE Travis Kelce - QB Patrick Mahomes! Another common denominator: Head coach Bill Belichick and TE Rob Gronkowski - QB Tom Brady! Without Mahomes or Brady, forget about Super Bowl wins and GOATs...
Gronk & Tony G ahead of Kelce. Their body of work was insane. Tony put up insane numbers with average QBs his entire careers. Gronk & Kelce had HOFs throwing them the ball…
Why do these people always say "The Greatest of All Time" with Tight Ends is entirely on the receiving side? Does being a good blocker count for nothing anymore?
Considering Kelce has more playoff receptions, yards, and TDs than every player in NFL history except for Jerry Rice, considered the greatest WR ever, it’s disrespectful to claim anyone else is.
i understand and i’m not even trying to argue, i’ll just say catching / scoring isn’t the only thing a TE does to help his team win. run blocking and pass protection also plays a role, just saying 😅 you do have a great point tho , that’s an incredible stat
It blows my mind that the media is comparing the chiefs dynasty to the patriots dynasty and brady to mahomes or bellicheck to reid. Patriots 6 superbowls chiefs 2, patriots reigned for over a decade the chiefs haven't even reigned for half a decade. But I guess they need something to talk about because the patriot dynasty is over.
Give Kelce the ability to play with Mahomes for his entire career, he’s the best TE of all time hands down. Kelce is already in the discussion and he played with barely average QBs most his career before Mahomes.
Gronk is the greatest and most physically dominant TE ever in my opinion. Emphasis on Tight End. Kelce is a TE in name only. He’s basically Jimmy Graham
@@tylerprince3496 Gronk averages about 7 less yards per game compared to Kelce but is in another stratosphere in regards to blocking. Kelce is in the debate but Gronk is clear.
Greatest yea but Gronk was best at being all over the field from outside to slot to fullback and still acting like an offensive linemen in the run game
That catch Kelce made at his ankles? Gronk could never make that. Kelce makes elite WR catches, that's why he has numbers that only Jerry Rice surpassed. Kelce is always available too, he's #1.
Gronk’s number 1. Leading the league in reception TDs is ridiculous with a record number for any TE. The resume is there with the 4 rings too but what puts him over Travis without question is his blocking. You can argue over their job as pass catchers all day with Travis’ speed and ability to create space to Gronk’s physicality and his ability to make nothing into something by running people over. But tight ends also are responsible for blocking and Gronk was by far the greatest when it came to blocking. While Travis is decent he is definitely not elite as a blocker. There are multiple names you can put among current players that are better than Kelce at blocking with number 1 being Kittle. At no point in Gronk’s prime was there someone that was a better weapon or blocker which is the difference for me.
I Understand him being in the Convo but We wouldn’t be saying that if he was never with mahomes and Andy Reid, not better than Gonzalez or Gronk 💯 if kittle was with the chiefs this whole time we’d be saying the same thing about him also
Ppl in media have goldfish memories for the click bait. Gronk was getting triple team and putting up these numbers. Shannon Sharpe got 10k yds when TEs weren't even viewed as WRs. Gonzales literally was the iron man for TES. Antonio Gates was the only rival closest to Gonzales during his Era. He's in the convo for top 10 but he's not dethroning any of these guys yet. At best, he's on par with Gates.
Because the middle of the field is like the Autobahn it's way to open nowadays that's what he's getting all those not disregarding his success just saying it is what it is
Travis Kelce is the second best Wide Receiver in Play Off history. That's where I will different from RC. A Tight End who doesn't block, is a Possession WR. Period. As TIGHT ENDS go, no I don't think he is better than Gronk, better than Kittle even, because they DO the entire package, and the primary job of a TE is TO BLOCK. Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham, Travis Kelce all are AMAZING possession receivers, but not one of them blocked/blocks worth a damn. You can't do only HALF the job description, and technically the lesser half of the actual job, and call them the best ever. You want to call them the best scoring TE? OK. But again, that is just a big, slow, Wide Receiver at that point.
patrick mahomes is so great that kelce vs gronk has actually become a discussion because if you watched both in their primes, its actually really obvious that gronk is better.
Wtf He’s not the greatest ever, but if I could draft one TE for his whole career, it’s Kelce because he’s big, unguardable, and the grand daddy of them all is that he never get injured.
You know it's fake analysis marinated with eloquent English when they tell you Travis Kelsey is the greatest TE ever, with two chips to Gronk's 4 but won't say Andy Reid is better than Bill Belichick
Gronk won more than Travis. Big plays consistently was gronk. This is not a debate. Gronk was better even when they were both playing. People said kittle was an better all around tight end....right now. Gronk blocking is better c'mon like I can keep going
Every 3 years there is a new greatest tight end ever. The league is pass happy, rules favor offense, people will continue to put up bigger numbers passing with each year that passes. These people just looking at the passing game and calling a guy the greatest misses the mark.
I’m leaning towards yes. In the same amount of games he has passed Gronk in yards and receptions. And he’s not that far behind in TDs. And he’s shown no signs of slowing down, Kelce might be the greatest TE of all time
I think RC is jumping the gun just a little bit. I think when it’s all said and done Kelce will have three or four rings and will records like most yards by a TE all time I mean this dude is a stat machine and has bare min of 1k yards every year since I could remember and will have the most TD by a TE ever. After he gets one or two more bling and those two honors I think he’ll be the 🐐 of TE but as of rn I’ll say he’s four behind Gronk, Tony G, and sharpe in that order.
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I’m 37 yrs. of age and played football for 8 yrs..I’ve been watching, studying, and, analyzing the game of football for 30yrs. Travis Is the best TE when it comes to big games, agility, IQ, awareness, route running, & coming up big in clutch moments. 💯
gronk better
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Kelce way better than gronk not even close look at the numbers. Gronk only good because he played for Tom Brady kelce was already on gronk tier with Alex Smith. With mahomes kelce will pass everyone he is the only TE to ever have 7 straight 1,0000 season
And kelce always gets himself open gronk can't move that way
Watch Kelce be wide open is like watching Steph Curry get open 3’s. Like how tf is this happening????
Seriously. I get so mad…like how tf can you leave that man wide open lol
He just gets open. Thats why hes the best
Cause Kelce said it once he don’t be running the play Reid says to do sometimes he just goes on and do his own routes which gets him wide open and gives him an easy way to get the ball from Mahomes
Andy Reid is the second greatest coach of his era and arguably the greatest offensive mind of all time, up there with Bill Walsh.
I think Bill Walsh is better just because he created the West Coast offense and he has two more Super Bowls but still Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches ever my top three Bill Belichick
Bill Walsh
Andy Reid
@@giovannimiller1659 Walsh only has 1 more Super Bowl than Reid by the way.
@@BoskoShabazz yeah, that’s true but just the way wall changed again you know what I mean
Shannon still has the record for most yards for a tight end in a game and with the pass game elevating like it did is really impressive
Gronk is bettt
Gronk is better, Stats are based off multiple games of being phenomenal not one.
@@dyland1286 I never said sharpe was better! and this comment is stupid when Shannon is in the hall of fame and possibly a top 5 tight end ever!!! I was simply saying with the way the game has changed and that record is still there and he was on a run first team
Shannon literally called kelce the Goat on his podcast
@@johnlewis8934 this has 0 to do with my comment bud lol all I said was for a GAME he has the most ever
Like Ryan said what makes Reid so special is the success of the coaches underneath him have had in there own careers. There are 8 current nfl head coaches that came from the Andy Reid Tree. 4 of the Head Coaches in this years playoffs were coordinators for Andy Reid. Bellichek is an outstanding coach other than Nick Saban in college most of his coordinators have struggled in head coaching jobs.
Just based on what I've heard about Belichick vs Reid, Belichick has to always be in control whereas Andy always is willing to help everyone be the best while also allowing to do their own thing
Two things you will hear in American sports radio invariably: "I've never seen anything like that" and "So and so is the greatest of all time!"
The way Gronk was defended was nothing like Kelce. He was triple teamed any time he went down field meanwhile teams sit in zone against KC.
Kelce gets doubled all the time, gets beat up at the line all the time, still gets wide ass open because he's the GOAT.
Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than bill
No he gets doubled all the time lol idky ppl just say stuff knowing it's wrong. Makes it seem like u troll. He is open all the time when EVERYONE knows he is getting the ball. EVERYONE
Travis is the greatest route running tight end of all time. That, combined with
the improv that he has with Pat allows him to break off routes and find openings. Do you think teams are leaving him open on purpose to score touchdowns?
They sit in zone because Travis kelce matches up against every position better than anyone else. It's impossible to play man against travis.
Gronk is the GREATEST TE 💯 but Travis Kelce is making his way up that ladder!!!
Not according to stats. Gronk cant take big hits.
Wrong
Whattt? 🤡
For all the people disregarding Shannon Sharpe, understand that passing wasn’t the biggest element like it is now… and he still put up 10,000 yards. Travis is number 3 to me, behind Gronk and Shannon. Gronk is the ONLY TE to league the WHOLE LEAGUE in reception TD’s and not to mention he has 5 years of 10+ TD’s (The Only TE to do that as well). And Gronk is the greatest BLOCKING TE whose ever lived. Travis is in the convo and he’s getting there, but he hasn’t been able to block like Gronk or catch TD’s like Gronk. 🤷🏽♂️💯
Travis has had multiple seasons on par wit fro Ks greatest season
It’s refreshing to see not everyone is a prisoner of the moment and understands the differences between the eras and how that impacts stats (regular season + playoffs). Kelce is definitely top 5 maybe top 3. Ryan Clark has been drinking that kool aid.
@@G00DFELLA Of course man. You know that these guys say certain things so they can make their money 🤣
Shannon would of been bananas in this era
@@broadwaybiz211 He’d probably have 13-15,000 receiving yards man.
As much I love both Travis and Pat, it was Tom & Gronk who stopped them 2x from getting a SB. I really don’t think those can be caught; at least in my lifetime.
No it was that defense that stopped them lmao
@@warzone7180 LOL tom and gronk were on defense 🗿
And that Manning boys stopped Tom 2x...lol Also Gronk didnt play in all the superbowl wns he got rings for
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If Tony Gonzalez had pat Mahomes it would be no discussion
NO QUESTION!
But he didn’t
Yes it would. Tony while great wouldn't have had much better stats then Trav.
Shannon sharpe 10,000 yards receiving in the 90s is basically 15,000 in today's game.
Nah...Gonzalez was soooo much better
Gronk is the greatest. He could do everything at an elite level. The only way you could stop gronk was to try to hurt him and knock him out of the game. He was always getting his knees chopped. He was unstoppable.
Let’s not forget about Antonio Gates!!!
@Brief Keef shit it’s close
@@tevincollins2869it ain’t. Antonio was a dawg, and for a long time at that, but he wasn’t able to put it together, in back to back to back seasons, for as long as a span as Kelce. I’d have gates about 5th/6th behind Kelce, Tony, gronk, Shannon, Ozzie, then gates
@@Wop06 he has the most TD's for ANY TE!!! So what do you mean he didn't put together back to back to back seasons haha Kellen Winslow, Gonzales, Gronk, Gates, Sharpe are all ahead of Kelce 💯💯💯
@@louisloother301 first of all that’s because he played for damn near 15 years, I would hope he is the all time td leader. Second of all Antonio gates had 2 seasons in those 15 years of 1000+ receiving yards, Kelce has SEVEN consecutive seasons of 1000+ receiving yards. Kelce almost has the same amount of receiving yards as Antonio gates while playing like 5 less seasons. As a matter of fact, I’m not sure there is any other tight end in nfl history that has that many consecutive 1000+ yd seasons, I think gronk may have had 2-3, but not seven…that’s what I mean when I say Antonio gates wasn’t able to play at the same level as Kelce for as long and continuous as Kelce did. And that ain’t even counting sb appearances, sb championships…Kelce already has the same amount of pro bowls and more first team all pro selections than Antonio gates did while playing 5 less seasons. You can have the debate with gronk and Tony, but Antonio gates ain’t even in the same stratosphere as Kelce or the other two. All time great for sure, but he ain’t touching kelce, and that’s coming from someone who watched the full careers of both.
Since I've started watching Football,I've seen this title given to Mark Bavaro, Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez,Gronk,and now Kelce.
You have to think that if the league has done so much to protect the quarterbacks in todays game, it makes it easier for tight ends to get receptions which means it’s easier for modern tight ends to put up stats. I am putting TG and Shay at the top and then Gronk and Kelce
Agreed, also a lot of hits/tackles that were allowed back then that TG and Shay would receive, would be illegal now. Like back then you could get destroyed running down the middle of the field for a pass. Now adays, it's a lot easier for TE's to get open and catch passes.
Travis Kelce in my opinion is top 2 Tight End of all time hand downs! He is very underrated and he have no weakness to his game at all. Before Travis Kecle leave the game of football for good, he will win 2 or 3 rings before it all set and done! Andy Reid is the best Head Coach is the best Head Coach and that is a fact!
Top 5 tight ends in NFL history
1) Travis Kelce
2) Rob Gronkowski
3) Tony Gonzalez
4) Antonio Gates
5) Shannon Sharpe
Even Shannon Sharpe said gronk is the goat
I still don't see how they can have a serious discussion about best coach ever and not even mention Vince Lombardi. He coached a total 10 years, 9 in Green Bay with 5 championships (2 of which were SB I and SB II) and in 1 years turned the Redskins fi0rom a cellar dweller into a playoff team (2 years later the made it to the superbowl with much of the nucleus Lombardi developed).
Truth. Nothing on these shows is a serious discussion. It's just fodder for today's casuals.
The only thing I can say against Gronk, was that he was unfortunate to be injured as often as he was. He could have been greater if fate dealt him a better hand (and if DBs didn’t aim for his knees).
Gronk knees arent te issue. research his injury history. Week bones up top
@@gnd111Yeah but he did tear his ACL twice and his MCL once I believe, but you’re right.
Kelce hasn’t passed Gronk yet. Gronk got hit with some nasty ass low tackles because you couldn’t tackle him one on one unless you took his knees out. He was megatron at the TE position. Gronk would block defenders into their coaches lap. You couldn’t ask for better hands. Kelce/Rice as Gronk/Moss. IMO
Gronk Kelce comparison is so tough because their impact is soo big it's hard to measure. They both are absolute nightmares for defenses
100%. Kelce is hell to scheme for and Gronk was horrifying after the catch. He’d get a reception and take a SS and LB with him for another 5 yards 😭
Ryan gives a great argument for Kelce. However , it’s just crazy how good gronk is a lot of Brady’s successes in the latter years of his career were due to gronk.
Gronk not only was unstoppable but he was an incredible blocker which Kelce is not
How many blocks you think they're going to show in Gronk's HOF highlight video? 😂
@@billbrasky7885 yeah and so kids like you have no idea who is the better player, just who has the better highlights
I think Gronk has the greatest TE season of all time just look at their stats Gronk never the sustained success Kelce had over his career
@@butterxo3094 gronk also had injury issues cause he was so damn big and was used as a blocker all the time because New England would run it way more than KC does. Guys would dive head first at gronks knees to take him out in the time
@@kurtschaaf2165 True but sometime your best ability is your availability and Gronk's body just broke down before all these other great TE. Is he the BEST ever (most dominant) I'd agree is he the GREATEST ever I'd probably disagree I think Tony G or Kelce are ahead of him
After winning just 2 chips he's the greatest now. Don't get caught up in the moment and forget about Gronk now
Andy Reid is in the top 5 after this win.
So many people are bashing on Ryan Clark, saying "what about Gronk?" Re-listen to what Ryan Clark said. When it comes to the post season, Kelce is above any TE, the stats prove it. Regular season, there is a debate to be had, but post season, the games that again, matter most, Kelce's only competition is who? Jerry Rice, the best WR in the history of the NFL. Think about that for a minute. Now answer me this, which matters more, regular season stats/success, or post season stats/success? I think we all know it is the later. Gronk is probably the best blocking TE to ever play, dude is beast in that regard, but in terms of the best TE when it comes to receiving and making plays, Kelce is proving he is the top dog. In the games it matters most, and against the top teams, Kelce is the dude.
The greatest that isn’t named Rob Gronkowski.
he's better than Gronk.
If he plays another 2 or 3 seasons he'll easily separate himself from Gronk.
@@truedariusno he’s not 😂 gronk is superior and Kelce is a wr
@@musicindustrydrama838 superior at what? Blocking 😂 that’s about it
@@matthewwilliams4168same amount of games played and gronk has two more rings + 23 more touchdowns 👌🏽
RC forgot all about Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez
Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, Jimmy Johnson, etc...
We live in a society of what have you done for me lately and forget what others have done..
Easier for receivers in today’s game, impossible to compare accurately
Chill Kelce put up solid numbers before Mahomes came alone
67 for 862
72 for 875
85 for 1,125
83 for 1,038
Before Mahomes came along, put some respek on him
The way people talk about KC and Kecle is like Tim Duncan Vs KG or Dirk when it comes to him Vs other TE players
I'm sorry I am taking Reid>BB any day. BB is a mess without Brady. We've seen Reid divisions with different QBs, make SBs with a different QB, and just continue to win.
GRONK HAS 4 RINGS...Sooooooo Stop It
yup. everyone was like without hill, KC was in trouble. No. The best target was and is kelce. He's the go to, the safety blanket.
Ryan Clark is so much a prisoner of the moment is laughable.
These guys on t.v. have such short memories. It's unbelievable that they played the game. Travis is good but so is George kittle and those other guys they mentioned.
How many rings and pro bowls Kittle got?
Prisoner of the moment
@@QuanLovesGaming 4 time pro baller.
@@QuanLovesGaming kittle never had anyone near to patrick mahomes talent throwing him the ball he's had Brock purdy and garoppolo throwing him the ball in a run first offense and yet he's still one of the best tight ends in the game imagine if he had mahomes all these years like Kelce
I think to qualify as the best tight end you need to have
1. At least 3 rings
2. Lead TEs in Yards or TDs
3. Amazing blocking skills (must have)
Andy Reid makes alot of good to great players look godly
The common denominator for head coach Any Reid and TE Travis Kelce - QB Patrick Mahomes! Another common denominator: Head coach Bill Belichick and TE Rob Gronkowski - QB Tom Brady! Without Mahomes or Brady, forget about Super Bowl wins and GOATs...
It’s like they are trying to force it down our throats 😂😂😂
Gronk & Tony G ahead of Kelce. Their body of work was insane. Tony put up insane numbers with average QBs his entire careers. Gronk & Kelce had HOFs throwing them the ball…
Why do these people always say "The Greatest of All Time" with Tight Ends is entirely on the receiving side? Does being a good blocker count for nothing anymore?
Considering Kelce has more playoff receptions, yards, and TDs than every player in NFL history except for Jerry Rice, considered the greatest WR ever, it’s disrespectful to claim anyone else is.
Fact
i understand and i’m not even trying to argue, i’ll just say catching / scoring isn’t the only thing a TE does to help his team win.
run blocking and pass protection also plays a role, just saying 😅
you do have a great point tho , that’s an incredible stat
We forgetting it takes a qb.. Tony didn’t have that all day like Gronk , kelce.
It blows my mind that the media is comparing the chiefs dynasty to the patriots dynasty and brady to mahomes or bellicheck to reid. Patriots 6 superbowls chiefs 2, patriots reigned for over a decade the chiefs haven't even reigned for half a decade. But I guess they need something to talk about because the patriot dynasty is over.
tomlin and ried. great coaches
Travis Kelce is holding his own on the Chiefs roster. He's doing great with their QB Mahomes. They proved that they were different.
This guy essentially just says everyone is the best ever
Shanon Sharp is literally one of the most famous football players of all time.
Give Kelce the ability to play with Mahomes for his entire career, he’s the best TE of all time hands down. Kelce is already in the discussion and he played with barely average QBs most his career before Mahomes.
Ryan Clark is on a cap world tour lmao
Gronk is the greatest and most physically dominant TE ever in my opinion. Emphasis on Tight End. Kelce is a TE in name only. He’s basically Jimmy Graham
Ryan Clark is the definition of: prisoner of the moment
Gronk was that dude. They need to stop
This guy might get the ball, but no way he’s The best.
He's the GOAT. Straight up. Look at the numbers, look at the records, look at the film, nobody can stop him, he's the GOAT.
@@tylerprince3496 Gronk averages about 7 less yards per game compared to Kelce but is in another stratosphere in regards to blocking. Kelce is in the debate but Gronk is clear.
Boy we know Gronk was the best freak of nature tight end to this date. Caught in moment ass TV people
Ok I’m confused how can he be the best TE if back in the day the middle of the field wasn’t as open as it is in todays game I feel like it’s not fair
Greatest yea but Gronk was best at being all over the field from outside to slot to fullback and still acting like an offensive linemen in the run game
Not yet but if the chiefs keep winning he will be because all of those records will get broken as long as he stays healthy
That catch Kelce made at his ankles? Gronk could never make that. Kelce makes elite WR catches, that's why he has numbers that only Jerry Rice surpassed. Kelce is always available too, he's #1.
Gronk’s number 1. Leading the league in reception TDs is ridiculous with a record number for any TE. The resume is there with the 4 rings too but what puts him over Travis without question is his blocking. You can argue over their job as pass catchers all day with Travis’ speed and ability to create space to Gronk’s physicality and his ability to make nothing into something by running people over. But tight ends also are responsible for blocking and Gronk was by far the greatest when it came to blocking. While Travis is decent he is definitely not elite as a blocker. There are multiple names you can put among current players that are better than Kelce at blocking with number 1 being Kittle. At no point in Gronk’s prime was there someone that was a better weapon or blocker which is the difference for me.
It’s gronk. Shannon sharpe. Tony gpnzalez and Kelce on Mount Rushmore of tight ends
These analysts are the biggest prisoner of the moment guys. If gronk was doing what he did now and Kelse was retired they would say gronk is the best
I Understand him being in the Convo but We wouldn’t be saying that if he was never with mahomes and Andy Reid, not better than Gonzalez or Gronk 💯 if kittle was with the chiefs this whole time we’d be saying the same thing about him also
Ppl in media have goldfish memories for the click bait. Gronk was getting triple team and putting up these numbers. Shannon Sharpe got 10k yds when TEs weren't even viewed as WRs. Gonzales literally was the iron man for TES. Antonio Gates was the only rival closest to Gonzales during his Era. He's in the convo for top 10 but he's not dethroning any of these guys yet. At best, he's on par with Gates.
Because the middle of the field is like the Autobahn it's way to open nowadays that's what he's getting all those not disregarding his success just saying it is what it is
Has not passed Tony Gonzalez and Gronk yet imo. He can get there, but not yet
Tony Gonzalez put up his stats without an all time great quarterback
If he had Patrick omg
Travis Kelce is the second best Wide Receiver in Play Off history. That's where I will different from RC. A Tight End who doesn't block, is a Possession WR. Period.
As TIGHT ENDS go, no I don't think he is better than Gronk, better than Kittle even, because they DO the entire package, and the primary job of a TE is TO BLOCK. Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham, Travis Kelce all are AMAZING possession receivers, but not one of them blocked/blocks worth a damn.
You can't do only HALF the job description, and technically the lesser half of the actual job, and call them the best ever. You want to call them the best scoring TE? OK. But again, that is just a big, slow, Wide Receiver at that point.
Rob Gronkowski is the greatest blocking tight end in NFL history
He's the best postseason Tight end of all time...that's worth something.
patrick mahomes is so great that kelce vs gronk has actually become a discussion because if you watched both in their primes, its actually really obvious that gronk is better.
Lmao thank you
They are different, Gronk never ran routes like Kelce.
Rc need to stop smoking because gronk is the GOAT...
With this tweet you just adited your on drugs Kelse is miles better than Gronk no debates
Regardless of stats, the eye test tells me gronk is better
Wtf
He’s not the greatest ever, but if I could draft one TE for his whole career, it’s Kelce because he’s big, unguardable, and the grand daddy of them all is that he never get injured.
Ryan Clark mentioned them all except Gronk. Gronk is Gronk.
You know it's fake analysis marinated with eloquent English when they tell you Travis Kelsey is the greatest TE ever, with two chips to Gronk's 4 but won't say Andy Reid is better than Bill Belichick
Gronk won more than Travis. Big plays consistently was gronk. This is not a debate. Gronk was better even when they were both playing. People said kittle was an better all around tight end....right now. Gronk blocking is better c'mon like I can keep going
Tony Gonzalez never had a QB as good as Elway, Brady or Mahomes
I don't know why teams just don't shadow him. I normally agree with Ryan Clark but Travis Kelce is not the greatest TE. He is one of the greatest.
Every 3 years there is a new greatest tight end ever. The league is pass happy, rules favor offense, people will continue to put up bigger numbers passing with each year that passes. These people just looking at the passing game and calling a guy the greatest misses the mark.
So we gon act like Gonzalez had a QB like Mahomes or a coach like Reid 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣
He called Bill Walsh....Steve Walsh...lol
He’s easily Top 3….he has the yards & the rings
He will be No 1 after 2-3 more seasons playing at this level
I’m leaning towards yes.
In the same amount of games he has passed Gronk in yards and receptions. And he’s not that far behind in TDs. And he’s shown no signs of slowing down, Kelce might be the greatest TE of all time
I think if Kelce wins a 3rd I'd be comfortable saying he's the greatest. I think he is a first ballot HOF player though already though.
I think RC is jumping the gun just a little bit. I think when it’s all said and done Kelce will have three or four rings and will records like most yards by a TE all time I mean this dude is a stat machine and has bare min of 1k yards every year since I could remember and will have the most TD by a TE ever. After he gets one or two more bling and those two honors I think he’ll be the 🐐 of TE but as of rn I’ll say he’s four behind Gronk, Tony G, and sharpe in that order.
Wow KC has had Tony Gonzalez wooooohooo and now we have Travis !! We rock!!
This is a Shaq vs Kareem argument . Gronk is most dominant while Kelce will be the greatest
It’s Gronk easily
In this version of the NFL maybe but in my opinion Gates, Gonzalez and Gronk are still ahead of him.
The fact that the rules open up the middle of the field now.. Gronk the best.. missed multiple years, retired another..
I think Gronk & Gonzalez are better, but he's up there for sure
We suffer from recency bias pretty bad Kelce is top 3 for sure maybe even 2 but gronk definitely has the top spot
I think after this last SB, no doubt that Travis Kelce is the best ever….period
The only player to catch more TDs in the playoffs is Jerry Rice. He’s the best ever folks.