Gronk and Kelce are both unstoppable in their primes. But Kelce does so with so much skill and grace compared to Gronk's raw power sledgehammer-like play. I'd still (slightly) place Gronk at number 1 as a true TE, because of his A+ blocking skills. For me, Kelce lines up more as a big WR.
@@russellrobards9822 He isnt a terrible blocker. Hes fine. Gronk was a great blocker. Plus Kelce legit lines up at a WR position 70% of the time. He's different, and is asked to do very different things. Look at what gronks great blocking got him. A busted up body and early retirement. Theyre the same age.
@@marceld8961 Yeah, we all saw him botch the hail mary against miami. Weird youd spotlight that, and gronk didnt line up at WR neatly as much as kelce. They were used differently.
You have to factor in the eras as well, players in the secondary today are a lot better overall than they were in the 90s and 2000s.. Kelce would have been completely unstoppable in Tony’s time
@@vindicatedafi teams were far more run heavy back then so defenses were built accordingly to handle that.. the depth of teams DBs and pass rushers was far worse up until recently
@@milfslayer3202 no defenses were allowed to lay heavy hits on the offense. The way ti counter attack that is to hit them back by running the ball. The less the defense gets to hit or have any kind of freedom the more finesse offenses become because you can’t touch them. When defenses are able to hit receivers coming across the middle again you won’t see as many passing yards and records being broken.
Kelce is a monster after the catch. Tony wasnt like that. Tony was that guy who ran great routes and was open even when he was covered. He always won the positioning/leverage. Underrated blocker too.
If memory serves, Tony G. had a less than stellar rookie season with a number of dropped balls....and then he probably had a "come to Jesus" with himself and said, "enough of that stuff!" He turned it around quick! Other interesting factoid is both Tony and Antonio were basketball players in college.
Besides the fact that Gronk is more well rounded than Kelce (infinitely better blocker etc...), Kelce needs at LEAST 2x Super Bowls to be in the conversation with Gronk. Cmon now Pat
Gronk is thee GREATEST TE EVER. There’s no argument. Kelce gets officiated like a WR, Gronk got officiated like Shaq, there’s a big difference. LEVELS.
the high step reminded me of aaron jones getting fined for waving goodbye to the LB from the cowboys as he scored his fifth touchdown lol have that signed on my wall
@@mopillo88 I don’t know if you’re joking, but he played for the Chargers. And he was a legitimate TE who could block and catch. And he caught a lot of passes for a lot of yards.
@@stephentaylor1031 nobody is being picky, was pointing out the mistake he made that Pat was talking about. Every player makes mistakes it’s part of the game. I think Pacheco is a steal in this draft and clearly has upgraded the Chiefs running game.
People don’t have enough respect for what Gronk. He was arguably a Top 1-2 receiving TE while being essentially an additional lineman that could block 3-4 DEs. Kelce is a mediocre blocker. There are WRs that can block better than Kelce.
@@StayPuftMarshmellow Travis got 9900 and 80Tds w a few more years left to go ..he only 33tds behind which he gone pass in 2-3 years lol and on pace to break the yards sis
It’s Rob Gronkowski and it’s not even close. I can’t even believe you guys are having this conversation just because of one game last night. Whatever. I seem to remember the Buccaneers slapping Travis Kelce around like a little three year old girl. It was nice to see him not Showboat in that Super Bowl because he got his ass handed to him.
Not really, top 10 talent for sure. But his stats come from an andy reid pass heavy offense with mahomes. Gates, gonzalez, witten, and gronk are better. So he may be number 5 in terms of talent.
Travis has grown so much as a man. More than a talent. He came into the league hot headed. Stupid penalties. Cheap shots on opponents. He didnt control his emotions well. 2017 he was different. He became a real team leader. Funny old story i heard, i dont think they did it on the podcast: Ozzie newsome interviewed him before the draft. Legend has it ozzy popped in a four and a half minute cut up of him in college doing stupid crap and losing his cool during games. After watching it with him he asked kelce "Are you an asshole travis?"
*2018 He still had some bone head moments in 2017. He has said it multiple times that EB becoming the OC is a big reason for his turnaround as EB held him accountable like no coach had before.
In reference to what you were thinking about Isiah Pacheco, he made a boneheaded special teams play by catching the kickoff and running out of bounds, instead of letting it go out of bounds or grabbing it with a foot out of bounds. Nonetheless, absolutely an explosive and awesome new running back for KC
As a chiefs fan, born raised and still reside, this cut as deep as some of the playoff... for those who are true either chiefs or colt fans know what I mean
Let’s gooooooo. For some reason the Colts just beat the chiefs more often than not. Even since Peytons days in the playoffs. They also were Andrew lucks first playoff win.
Pacheco catches a kickoff at the 7 yard line and downs it, instead of letting the ball go out of bounds and get the ball at the 40 yard line. Then he went off on a 28 yard run when he got the ball again.
It helps that he has a world class talent at QB throwing him the ball. Both Kelce and Gronk had the luxury of having the some of the best in history slinging them the ball. If Tony Gonzalez played with Brady or Manning during his career he would've put up insane stats too.
@@tomjones2121 Yet, can you remember any significant reception by Gonzalez in a KC Chiefs uniform. I'm a Chiefs fan. Give me Kelce or Gronk. Although Tony Gonzalez did possess sweet hands.
@@jt5604 Crazy that the two best TE's played under maybe the two best QB's of all time. Gates and Gonzales will never get the credit they deserve because they didn't play with the right QB.
Gronk is 1/100th as smart as Kelce when it comes to knowing wtf is going on. Gronk had stats bc of Tom and Bill in New England. Give Kelce time and it’ll be clear as day he’s better than that frat boy turned pro athlete
@@zachbarnes2538 if you see anyone that played or coach Gronk they say he's a savant Don't let us fun loving goof ness fool you Bill belichick loved him
This. Also, I think that its nearly impossible outside of the QB position to determine actual GOAT. There are 3-4 guys who can legitimately lay claim to the title and it would be fair.
Yeah I forgot about gronk. He literally is missing 20-40% of his career numbers from missing seasons of injuries and retiring He was also dominating. Gonzales Gates Kelce Gronk
Nope. Just look up a stat comparison. Gronk has played 7 more games than Kelce. They're the same age. The only significant stats that Gronk leads in is TDs, yards per catch, and yards per target. Kelce leads Gronk in targets, total receiving yards, total receptions, catch percentage, receiving yards per game, receptions per game, and 1st downs per game. Again, doing so in 7 fewer games than Gronk. Then take into account Gronk had TB12 all of his career while Kelce has had Mahomes half of his career.
@@btbarr16 no way thats correct kelce plays almost every game , gronk missed half the season twice and hasn’t played in the last two years . Kelce just broke those records and they were gronks old records
Just because you take your blocking assignment to the ground doesn’t make you a better blocker, there were many times in gronks career where he never disengaged and got to the second level. Kelce’s rac ability is second to none with any player in the league including wideouts.
He's 6000 yards behind Tony Gonzalez people need to pump the brakes. Game is played different not to mention he lines up at slot wr more often than any te I can remember.
Because it’s harder to borderline impossible to bracket or double someone lined up in the slot if he plays probably 4 to 5 more years that record is most likely coming down
Those yards are because of longevity, don’t get me wrong longevity is great but I wouldn’t exactly pick Emmitt Smith over LaDainian Tomlinson 🫠 .. it’s tough to have a debate on who the GOAT is because it depends on if we’re talking talent/skill or accomplishments/records
He’s a great player but he’s not even the best TE that’s 33 years old. Gronk is number 1. Shannon Sharpe, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, and Travis Kelce are all in the same category. Hall of fame level talent but Gronk transcended the position. Gronk had 17 TDs in a season. He was one of the best blocking tight ends to ever play the game of football but he also just so happened to be the best receiving one as well. A true freak and his like will probably not be seen again for sometime. Kelce for sure ain’t it. For the record I hate the Patriots and I’m not a fan of Tom Brady but respect where it’s due and Gronk deserves to be GOATED
While I agree with you, Gronk is a massive human being at 6'7. Tom could basically just throw it up to him. I think Kelce is a better receiver, route runner, and has a higher football IQ but Gronk was def a better blocker.
@@zachb2943 Not sure I agree with Kelce being a better receiver. Gronk had some of the best hands and catch radius of all time. Best of the best in terms of ball skills.
Travis is holding together far better than Gronk overtime. Longevity will likely put him above Gronk in all areas of stats if he’s not already. Prime though? Gronk I feel like may have been more dominant in his prime. None of this actually matters. Both are great and any team would be lucky to have either of them as a player.
@@thesleepingboy1543 Yeah I know, but gronk was also a shadow of his former self by 29. He was riddled with lingering injuries from his physical style.
How about he tries to block like a TE is suppose to not just catch. Lol hes just a big ass receiver. I’ve never seen him get on the line and block. He will never be the GOAT because of that
@@nelsonshut6840 for a game in their prime, Gronk is better. Especially blocking. But Gronk has missed a lot of time due to injury and retired young twice, that's why Kelce has better stats.
@@nelsonshut6840 prime v prime. And btw are TE supposed to block? Yes they are. And Gronk is arguably both the greatest blocking TE ever AS WELL ass the greatest most dominant pass catcher in his prime
difference between gronk and kelce is kelce's catches are all 90% YAC and slipping away from guys, whereas gronk's are tiny window throws into tight, often double/triple coverage with insane hands and running over guys, even making diving catches with perfect throws where only he can make a play...never seen kelce do that. they are completely different. kelce doesn't have gronk's hands, but he's always schemed way more open than gronk ever was, and is never double/tripled as often as gronk. on the other hand, gronk's YAC isn't as prolific as kelce's.
It's not that kelce went on a three week hiatus because he couldn't get into the endzone, after the game where he got 4 tds we just used him as a decoy because he was drawing doubles every play but enough time has gone by that we can use him like normal in the end zone. Mahomes trusts him the most.vy far so having so many rookies having to play, kelces getting the ball more
Patrick Mahomes is teaching Jordan esk level now..It doesn't matter who u give him on the field he automatically makes them better..Loses Ty Hill and gets better..Travis is Scotty Pippen..The best 1-2 punch the game may have ever seen..Alot of great NBA players never won aring because of Jordsn
He blocks when it’s needed…but I wouldn’t expect some football novice to understand the nuances of professional football. Maybe you should stick to tennis.🤷♂️😐
Just a shame Mahomes is going through what Jordan/Lebron went through.. everyone knows he's the MVP almost every year but we get "used" to his stats/abilities so he doesn't always get it when he deserves it damn near every year
Indeed. Just listen to all the sports pundits talking about Mahomes and the Chiefs, like they lost a game, with they didn't win it by more points. Its so freaking weird. No other team or person is held to such a high standard. HIs "bad" year, was 4 overall in stats.
I agree. Mahomes is better than any QB out there right now. The plays he makes on a weekly basis are insane. No other QB makes these plays. It’s not even a competition. He’s the MVP no matter what they say.
@@ckmoore101 People love to talk. Right out of their asses, no less. Mahomes is a QB in art form. Watching him play means watching the highest quality of football that’s on offer and this is from a Broncos fan that thinks Mahomes is also kind of a fruit. I also love the Bills, but Mahomes has all the edge.
TY is right this team should be 3-7. The problem is coaching & I'm not talking about Staley necessarily even though he is a problem as well but I'm talking about our bland OC Lombardi. This guy has no creativity on offense. And it will continue this way because fundamentally the organization is built to fail. The Spanos have the last say on decisions over the GM and HC. They just hire coaches that have potential but since have no experience they manipulate them and make them yes men. As long as the Spanos own the team the Chargers will never progress.
Look Folks , Kelce clearly is the more talented Offensive TE . But Gronk is the more overall talented clutch Recieving / Blocking TE . The Injuries Gronk had in his knees and back Kelce couldn't have ever came back from . Tom Brady clearly misses Gronk . The Buccs have struggled without Gronk
Pat, Gronk was The Man before Travis came along and whom Travis wants to emulate. Why can't people just wait till careers are over before handing off The Goat Belt and then compare. Friggin click bait, Oh and like that 8yr. old kid said " F*ck Boston Connor " Best caller ever on your show.
GRONK maybe a little better in his prime but kelce has managed to stay at the top a lot longer. GRONK had too many injuries but if I had to pick one on Super Bowl game day in their prime it would be GRONK. But kelce is definitely smarter
Gronk was more dominate at times than any TE ever but Kelce is passing all of Gronks numbers and not only is he not slowing down he's doing better every year.
@@zarda1484 this second time Gronk has retired and I do not blame him because of injuries. He missed a few season as well right due to injuries. He would have higher numbers for sure. Bucs basically begging him to come back this year. Kelce is awesome. Just think Gronk was one of those players like a Randy Moss or Barry Sanders type athletes. That slight notch above who played football at a higher level.
@@lakeozarkrei3767 HA, it is a subjective topic. We are not discussing if 2 plus 2 is 4. However I think you would be just as silly even if we were talking about an objective topic like 2 plus 2 equals 4.
My counter argument for kelce would be, why would you keep the greatest tightend receiving threat in to block? When he’s the greatest receiving tightend? Would you use your players to their strengths? Or try to use him as a power run blocker on half of his reps?
@@vindicatedafi He does block though & he blocks well. But so many pats fans value Gronk's ability to block, like if he was Willie Roaf or something. Blocking is good and part of the job description of a tightend, but if your tighend is a generational receiving talent, it makes no sense to not use him in the best way for the team. People try to act like Travis Kelce can't block, but actually look at the film. He's a willing blocker and has a win rate on blocking downs. So he blocks well and is an incredible receiving threat.
@@slimischillin7753 he cannot block as a TE Hines ward blocks better than kelce. Also why even have him as a TE if he is a generational talent at receiving just make him a receiver.
@@vindicatedafi because he’s a tightend. And your opinion on his ability to block isn’t true. Check the tape and the numbers. I know it’s easier to buy into a jealous narrative than to actually know what you’re talking about though
He cant block, he is not a TE. There are WR that can block better than him. if you call Kelce a TE you can call guys like Adam thielen cooper kupp TEs too
Travis Kelce is a beast and so is his brother. The NFL needs to make a show called football family about families where multiple members play in the NFL at the same time or even through the generations. At the very least at least do one of those NFL top ten show episodes about football families. I just think it would be a good show bc I know of many families where multiple people are in the NFL and are beasts.
TEs in general are the future of the NFL. They create the most mismatches and have the highest level of volatility from one to the next (in terms of height, weight and speed). Bill and the patriots new this 10-15 years ago and the chiefs are taking full advantage now with 4 te sets last night. I'm not the first to write something like this so not taking any credit but TE will be the future of this league. Just wait for these 6 6 4.4 250+ guys to start taking wr in the coming years.
Even if he “isn’t” the best, which he is. 😝I think what it comes down to is Kelce and Mahomes are the best duo in Football history. I’m not an NFL historian, but they are amazing together.
@@GregSkinner thank you, was going to post the same exact duos. Kelce and Mahomes need to win more than one ring to even be considered in the conversation.
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Gronk and Kelce are both unstoppable in their primes. But Kelce does so with so much skill and grace compared to Gronk's raw power sledgehammer-like play. I'd still (slightly) place Gronk at number 1 as a true TE, because of his A+ blocking skills. For me, Kelce lines up more as a big WR.
Kelce is a terrible blocker, gronk is one of the best blocking tight ends as well as receiving . Gronk is much better than Kelce
@@russellrobards9822 He isnt a terrible blocker. Hes fine. Gronk was a great blocker. Plus Kelce legit lines up at a WR position 70% of the time. He's different, and is asked to do very different things.
Look at what gronks great blocking got him. A busted up body and early retirement. Theyre the same age.
@@russellrobards9822 I tried looking up those TE blocking stats you referenced... couldn't find them anywhere?
@@whitewhale9012Gronk lined up everywhere and was even put on defense for Hail Marys.
@@marceld8961 Yeah, we all saw him botch the hail mary against miami.
Weird youd spotlight that, and gronk didnt line up at WR neatly as much as kelce. They were used differently.
Travis Kelce is just great, he plays football like he is having fun and I love to watch athletes have fun.
Him and his philly eagles center brothers new podcast new heights just makes that even clearer lol. They just love it out there
@@TheGoodChap New Heights best podcast out
Not a chance
@Diogo N the script is favoring him because he's the best player in the game and that's how you win games lmao but stay mad
A different style from Gronk. Both dominant
Gronk was just different with how he legit dragged players down the field! Lmao
Gronk smashed
Kinda led to a lot of his injuries though don't you think?
Tony was amazing. His durability and tenure are incredible. But there's something about Kelce. I'd have to take him head to head.
You have to factor in the eras as well, players in the secondary today are a lot better overall than they were in the 90s and 2000s.. Kelce would have been completely unstoppable in Tony’s time
@@milfslayer3202 defensive players in todays era are handicapped what the hell are you talking about?
@@vindicatedafi teams were far more run heavy back then so defenses were built accordingly to handle that.. the depth of teams DBs and pass rushers was far worse up until recently
@@milfslayer3202 no defenses were allowed to lay heavy hits on the offense. The way ti counter attack that is to hit them back by running the ball. The less the defense gets to hit or have any kind of freedom the more finesse offenses become because you can’t touch them. When defenses are able to hit receivers coming across the middle again you won’t see as many passing yards and records being broken.
Kelce is a monster after the catch.
Tony wasnt like that. Tony was that guy who ran great routes and was open even when he was covered. He always won the positioning/leverage. Underrated blocker too.
Why do people forgot about prime Gronk lol
they literally mention Gronk in the video. i think you might be the only one that forgot him
Because Gronk and Kelce are the same age and Kelce still appears to be in his prime. Gronkowski had only played in 7 more games.
Because “Prime” Gronk wasn’t a thing. Prime Brady was. Gronk didn’t even know the playbook
@@btbarr16 I give a lot more credit to Andy Reid then Kelce. Reid’s plays that he comes up with are insane
@@Jrock420blam I’m not talking about pat and them I’m talking about people in the comments
Tony Gonzalez & Antonio Gates were unstoppable in their day also.
0 rings is what holds them down for that title
If memory serves, Tony G. had a less than stellar rookie season with a number of dropped balls....and then he probably had a "come to Jesus" with himself and said, "enough of that stuff!" He turned it around quick! Other interesting factoid is both Tony and Antonio were basketball players in college.
Yes they were but so is Kelce
@@yaydog2702 please stop with the rings stuff. If Pat Mahomes was their QB and Andy Reid their coach, they would have rings, too...
@@NSmith-hh1ys yeah rings don’t matter 🤡
Besides the fact that Gronk is more well rounded than Kelce (infinitely better blocker etc...), Kelce needs at LEAST 2x Super Bowls to be in the conversation with Gronk. Cmon now Pat
Gronk is thee GREATEST TE EVER. There’s no argument. Kelce gets officiated like a WR, Gronk got officiated like Shaq, there’s a big difference. LEVELS.
My first round pick in every fantasy league for the last five years, everybody sleeps on him
First round?? 😂
Dumb af
@@bondbarrybonds5774 he is the most valuable player in fantasy this year
He provides a really large premium at his position, he's been my 2nd round choice for 3 years now
@@EmperorStarscream Distance between him and the rest of the tight ends is the biggest gap at any position in fantasy
the high step reminded me of aaron jones getting fined for waving goodbye to the LB from the cowboys as he scored his fifth touchdown lol have that signed on my wall
People always forget about Antonio Gates in the "best TE" convo.
Who?
@@mopillo88 I don’t know if you’re joking, but he played for the Chargers. And he was a legitimate TE who could block and catch. And he caught a lot of passes for a lot of yards.
It was between Sharpe, Gates and Tony G IMO until Gronk and Kelce decided to rewrite all the record books
Kellen Winslow Sr
Kind of a DQ
Pacheco caught the short kickoff inbounds instead of letting it go out of bounds.
He is young, but the dude is insanely shifty and fast.
He’s a rookie, dude…and he’s gonna make a few mistakes. I like the fact he doesn’t make the same ones twice though. Stop being so picky!
@@stephentaylor1031 nobody is being picky, was pointing out the mistake he made that Pat was talking about. Every player makes mistakes it’s part of the game. I think Pacheco is a steal in this draft and clearly has upgraded the Chiefs running game.
People don’t have enough respect for what Gronk. He was arguably a Top 1-2 receiving TE while being essentially an additional lineman that could block 3-4 DEs. Kelce is a mediocre blocker. There are WRs that can block better than Kelce.
Hell no! He better get his ass in line and keep grinding!!!
Not too many athletes can say they’re at their peak at 33
thanks einstein
@@bigman8477 who hurt you
@@bigman8477 ur weird, life beating u down?
1. Antonio Gates
2. Rob Gronkowski
3. Tony Gonzalez
4. Travis Kelce
5. Jason Witten
A hundred percent
It's hard to gauge just how good Jalen is when he has the best O line in the league. If you put him with the Jaguars, I don't see him producing.
Gronk by far takes the cake at number 1
No... sorry...
The High Step is a nod to Ladainian Tomlinson. That was LTs signature TD celebration
Nope you're wrong MATE!
Tony Gonzales is the goat. Put up insane numbers to this day and never had a QB anywhere near Pat Maholmes’ level
Na He def passed Tony
Gronk easy stop it.
@@Roadrunner0077 when? Gonalez has over 15,000 career yards, 111 tds and over 1300 receptions. Kelce isn’t even close.
@@StayPuftMarshmellow Travis got 9900 and 80Tds w a few more years left to go ..he only 33tds behind which he gone pass in 2-3 years lol and on pace to break the yards sis
It’s Rob Gronkowski and it’s not even close. I can’t even believe you guys are having this conversation just because of one game last night. Whatever. I seem to remember the Buccaneers slapping Travis Kelce around like a little three year old girl. It was nice to see him not Showboat in that Super Bowl because he got his ass handed to him.
John Mackey is still the best TE ever. His film makes all these guys look like children. He literally was Jim Brown at TE
Give me Gronk
I'll say Gronk is the better All Around TE!
Gronk is an Elite blocker and a Juggernaut Machine to tackle!
Kelce didn't "have tough times, then Andy Reid got there". Andy Reid drafted Kelce in 2013.
Not really, top 10 talent for sure. But his stats come from an andy reid pass heavy offense with mahomes. Gates, gonzalez, witten, and gronk are better. So he may be number 5 in terms of talent.
He's on the Mount Rushmore for sure
Chargers gave Patrick Mahomes way too much time following a go-ahead touchdown! Their secondary was out-gassed while trying to cover Travis Kelce!
Travis has grown so much as a man. More than a talent. He came into the league hot headed. Stupid penalties. Cheap shots on opponents. He didnt control his emotions well. 2017 he was different. He became a real team leader.
Funny old story i heard, i dont think they did it on the podcast: Ozzie newsome interviewed him before the draft. Legend has it ozzy popped in a four and a half minute cut up of him in college doing stupid crap and losing his cool during games. After watching it with him he asked kelce "Are you an asshole travis?"
*2018
He still had some bone head moments in 2017.
He has said it multiple times that EB becoming the OC is a big reason for his turnaround as EB held him accountable like no coach had before.
LOL I hope that Ozzie tape comes out that would be hilarious
Everyone loves to suck Ozzie off because he hit so often in the draft, but Ozzie never hit on guys like Kelce. He just drafted sure things.
In reference to what you were thinking about Isiah Pacheco, he made a boneheaded special teams play by catching the kickoff and running out of bounds, instead of letting it go out of bounds or grabbing it with a foot out of bounds. Nonetheless, absolutely an explosive and awesome new running back for KC
He won't make that mistake again lol
Young kid, he’ll learn
Thankfully it didn’t cost us the game and that way he won’t make that mistake again. Ever.
Pat bringing up that the Colts beat the Chiefs this season is literally the only highlight he has to talk about his team 😂
As a chiefs fan, born raised and still reside, this cut as deep as some of the playoff... for those who are true either chiefs or colt fans know what I mean
Chiefs would’ve won but they called a soft taunting call I’m sick of the soft calls this year
@@MrZFarn F'ing Lin Elliott 1993
LOL 1995. Either year, it still (Jalen) Hurts
Let’s gooooooo. For some reason the Colts just beat the chiefs more often than not. Even since Peytons days in the playoffs. They also were Andrew lucks first playoff win.
3:06 Travis was drafted by Andy. He told him to hand the phone to Jason on draft day and asked Jason if Travis was going to eff it up. Jason said no.
Haha, thats the kelce bros story.
Though they did say that reid didnt actually swear. They were paraphrasing.
Pacheco catches a kickoff at the 7 yard line and downs it, instead of letting the ball go out of bounds and get the ball at the 40 yard line. Then he went off on a 28 yard run when he got the ball again.
He's a rookie he's bound to make mistakes but I haven't been this excited about a Chiefs RB since Kareem Hunt
It helps that he has a world class talent at QB throwing him the ball. Both Kelce and Gronk had the luxury of having the some of the best in history slinging them the ball. If Tony Gonzalez played with Brady or Manning during his career he would've put up insane stats too.
I agree , Gonzales was the best tight end ever ...
@@tomjones2121 Yet, can you remember any significant reception by Gonzalez in a KC Chiefs uniform. I'm a Chiefs fan. Give me Kelce or Gronk. Although Tony Gonzalez did possess sweet hands.
No
Gronk is king
As long as Patty Mahomes is alive the AFC west will be HIS!!
Just a reminder to everyone:
Kelce and Gronk are the same age.
Gronk is still better done more in less
Just a reminder to everyone - Gronk was drafted 3 years prior to Kelce
@@pascho1057 Who was his quarterback again?
@@BC-ny3zb and?
@@pascho1057 Not even close kid...
Gronk is 1A
Kelce is 1B
I understand that Travis's profile is reaching 'New Heights', but I still think the answer is Gronk.
If the chiefs win it all this year and Kelce keeps up his play throughout the playoffs I think you could argue a 1a 1b situation between the two
@@jt5604 Crazy that the two best TE's played under maybe the two best QB's of all time. Gates and Gonzales will never get the credit they deserve because they didn't play with the right QB.
Gronk is 1/100th as smart as Kelce when it comes to knowing wtf is going on. Gronk had stats bc of Tom and Bill in New England. Give Kelce time and it’ll be clear as day he’s better than that frat boy turned pro athlete
@@rlh12345 I mean Philip rivers with the fear of the play action cause of LT is a petty good situation
@@zachbarnes2538 if you see anyone that played or coach Gronk they say he's a savant
Don't let us fun loving goof ness fool you
Bill belichick loved him
Gronk retired twice and missed a ton of games , still holds most of the records for TE
This. Also, I think that its nearly impossible outside of the QB position to determine actual GOAT. There are 3-4 guys who can legitimately lay claim to the title and it would be fair.
Gonzalez hardly missed a game and played with terrible qb’s for most of his career. He’s still at the top in career stars.
Yeah I forgot about gronk.
He literally is missing 20-40% of his career numbers from missing seasons of injuries and retiring
He was also dominating.
Gonzales
Gates
Kelce
Gronk
Nope. Just look up a stat comparison. Gronk has played 7 more games than Kelce. They're the same age. The only significant stats that Gronk leads in is TDs, yards per catch, and yards per target. Kelce leads Gronk in targets, total receiving yards, total receptions, catch percentage, receiving yards per game, receptions per game, and 1st downs per game. Again, doing so in 7 fewer games than Gronk. Then take into account Gronk had TB12 all of his career while Kelce has had Mahomes half of his career.
@@btbarr16 no way thats correct kelce plays almost every game , gronk missed half the season twice and hasn’t played in the last two years . Kelce just broke those records and they were gronks old records
I’m hoping Travis can get a passing td from 40 out , which I know he is capable of.
I still say yes. All due respect to Gronk Kelce was triple teamed last night and still was UNGUARDABLE. I see Kelce 1A and Gronk 1B respectively.
kelce wasn’t even in the convo for best in the league until gronk fell off let alone best of all time.great player but not sure about that
@@chrisslaughter8448 Gronk > Kelce it's not that close
Triple teamed? Derwin James gave him an outside shade on that last TD and no one was in the middle field. Looks too easy for them every time
@@phillyphan1346 yeah if Gronk stayed as healthy as Kelce his stats would be untouchable
Gronk needed 3 ppl to defend him at one point. As for blocking, it’s not even close.
Prime Gronk was more unguardable, and he was more versatile as the greatest blocking TE ever as well. Gronk still hands down
Nah tony g and kelce.they’re all top 3 in the convo though.can’t go wrong with either one including gronk
Gronk didn’t even study the playbook or know defenses. He did what Tom asked and played for a dynasty team. Definitely not the best ever.
@@zachbarnes2538 Lol you actually believed him when he said that.
Prime Gronk all day. Man will beat you catching passes and will block defenders into the ground in run game. Kelce ain’t doing that.
He kinda does tho
Dont need to when we pass more lol
Nobody cares. Kelce is
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Just because you take your blocking assignment to the ground doesn’t make you a better blocker, there were many times in gronks career where he never disengaged and got to the second level. Kelce’s rac ability is second to none with any player in the league including wideouts.
He's 6000 yards behind Tony Gonzalez people need to pump the brakes. Game is played different not to mention he lines up at slot wr more often than any te I can remember.
Because it’s harder to borderline impossible to bracket or double someone lined up in the slot if he plays probably 4 to 5 more years that record is most likely coming down
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Those yards are because of longevity, don’t get me wrong longevity is great but I wouldn’t exactly pick Emmitt Smith over LaDainian Tomlinson 🫠 .. it’s tough to have a debate on who the GOAT is because it depends on if we’re talking talent/skill or accomplishments/records
Tony also entered the league at a much younger age than Kelce.
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He’s a great player but he’s not even the best TE that’s 33 years old. Gronk is number 1. Shannon Sharpe, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, and Travis Kelce are all in the same category. Hall of fame level talent but Gronk transcended the position. Gronk had 17 TDs in a season. He was one of the best blocking tight ends to ever play the game of football but he also just so happened to be the best receiving one as well. A true freak and his like will probably not be seen again for sometime. Kelce for sure ain’t it.
For the record I hate the Patriots and I’m not a fan of Tom Brady but respect where it’s due and Gronk deserves to be GOATED
Gronk was just as dominant in the passing game AND he was a great blocker
Absolutely. Not necessarily the receiver that Kelce is but an A player in both categories for sure.
While I agree with you, Gronk is a massive human being at 6'7. Tom could basically just throw it up to him. I think Kelce is a better receiver, route runner, and has a higher football IQ but Gronk was def a better blocker.
@@zachb2943 agreed on all points
@@zachb2943 Being a massive human being is not a negative in talking about the greatest
@@zachb2943 Not sure I agree with Kelce being a better receiver. Gronk had some of the best hands and catch radius of all time. Best of the best in terms of ball skills.
Travis is holding together far better than Gronk overtime. Longevity will likely put him above Gronk in all areas of stats if he’s not already. Prime though? Gronk I feel like may have been more dominant in his prime. None of this actually matters. Both are great and any team would be lucky to have either of them as a player.
I agree
Theyre the same age, which is funny to think about.
@@whitewhale9012 gronk was in the league 3 years before Kelce though
@@thesleepingboy1543 Yeah I know, but gronk was also a shadow of his former self by 29. He was riddled with lingering injuries from his physical style.
Gronk’s blocking alone is hall of fame worthy. In my opinion that separates him from Kelce
Gronk = goat
Prime gronk is still the best, but kelce is gonna beat him in longevity of elite production. Different types of players too tho
How about he tries to block like a TE is suppose to not just catch. Lol hes just a big ass receiver. I’ve never seen him get on the line and block. He will never be the GOAT because of that
Nope gronk is still the GOAT of TEs but Kelce definitely going to be number 2
I swear NFL and NBA fans have destroyed the term GOAT. Everyones a GOAT now
Im the same. The word itself grates on me.
Travis is a beast. I cannot imagine any non-Chiefs fan taking him over Gronk though
Have you seen kelce stats compared to gronk it’s not even close kelce is the greatest TE to play the game
@@nelsonshut6840 for a game in their prime, Gronk is better. Especially blocking. But Gronk has missed a lot of time due to injury and retired young twice, that's why Kelce has better stats.
@@GameTime-yj6qv kelce is the goat gronk is the boat.
Greatness needs to be sustained. Gronk is the most talented and the best of all time. The greatest is kelce
@@nelsonshut6840 prime v prime. And btw are TE supposed to block? Yes they are. And Gronk is arguably both the greatest blocking TE ever AS WELL ass the greatest most dominant pass catcher in his prime
difference between gronk and kelce is kelce's catches are all 90% YAC and slipping away from guys, whereas gronk's are tiny window throws into tight, often double/triple coverage with insane hands and running over guys, even making diving catches with perfect throws where only he can make a play...never seen kelce do that. they are completely different. kelce doesn't have gronk's hands, but he's always schemed way more open than gronk ever was, and is never double/tripled as often as gronk. on the other hand, gronk's YAC isn't as prolific as kelce's.
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It's not that kelce went on a three week hiatus because he couldn't get into the endzone, after the game where he got 4 tds we just used him as a decoy because he was drawing doubles every play but enough time has gone by that we can use him like normal in the end zone. Mahomes trusts him the most.vy far so having so many rookies having to play, kelces getting the ball more
Patrick Mahomes is teaching Jordan esk level now..It doesn't matter who u give him on the field he automatically makes them better..Loses Ty Hill and gets better..Travis is Scotty Pippen..The best 1-2 punch the game may have ever seen..Alot of great NBA players never won aring because of Jordsn
No Gronk will always be a better TE. And he was damn near never healthy lol
Kelce is a beast. Antonio gates was probably my favorite tight end to ever watch though.
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Gronk. People don't remember how dominant Gronk was.
yes we do, it wasnt that long ago lol
@@turkey6969 his prime was about a decade ago it’s been a while
No one forgot how dominant Gronk was, i feel like the people who say this didn't actually watch him play and are overcompensating for it
@@Jrock420blam I feel like your feelings are exactly just that... Just feelings. I probably watched every Patriot game for a decade.
TE? Man doesn’t even block. He’s practically a slot receiver.
He blocks when it’s needed…but I wouldn’t expect some football novice to understand the nuances of professional football. Maybe you should stick to tennis.🤷♂️😐
@@stephentaylor1031 bahahaha stfu you in the RUclips comment section. You aren’t an expert either 🤡
Agreed just make him a slot WR and call it a day
Just a shame Mahomes is going through what Jordan/Lebron went through.. everyone knows he's the MVP almost every year but we get "used" to his stats/abilities so he doesn't always get it when he deserves it damn near every year
Indeed. Just listen to all the sports pundits talking about Mahomes and the Chiefs, like they lost a game, with they didn't win it by more points. Its so freaking weird. No other team or person is held to such a high standard. HIs "bad" year, was 4 overall in stats.
I agree. Mahomes is better than any QB out there right now. The plays he makes on a weekly basis are insane. No other QB makes these plays. It’s not even a competition. He’s the MVP no matter what they say.
@@CyraXFactor I saw some idiotic pundit say Hurts is CLEARLY the frontrunner, because the Eagles have won 1 more game. Its crazy.
@@ckmoore101 People love to talk. Right out of their asses, no less. Mahomes is a QB in art form. Watching him play means watching the highest quality of football that’s on offer and this is from a Broncos fan that thinks Mahomes is also kind of a fruit. I also love the Bills, but Mahomes has all the edge.
Omg Patriot fans coming from the dead to say Gronkowski is 😂😂😂
Butthurt chiefs fanboy 🤣🤣🤣
@@kenjie1646 found one lol
Did i hurt your feelings?
TY is right this team should be 3-7. The problem is coaching & I'm not talking about Staley necessarily even though he is a problem as well but I'm talking about our bland OC Lombardi. This guy has no creativity on offense. And it will continue this way because fundamentally the organization is built to fail. The Spanos have the last say on decisions over the GM and HC. They just hire coaches that have potential but since have no experience they manipulate them and make them yes men. As long as the Spanos own the team the Chargers will never progress.
Prime Gronk was unstoppable
Nobody cares about the patriots
I think he is getting there. For me Gronk still has the edge.
Look Folks , Kelce clearly is the more talented Offensive TE . But Gronk is the more overall talented clutch Recieving / Blocking TE . The Injuries Gronk had in his knees and back Kelce couldn't have ever came back from . Tom Brady clearly misses Gronk . The Buccs have struggled without Gronk
Pat, Gronk was The Man before Travis came along and whom Travis wants to emulate.
Why can't people just wait till careers are over before handing off The Goat Belt and then compare. Friggin click bait, Oh and like that 8yr. old kid said " F*ck Boston Connor " Best caller ever on your show.
GRONK is the GOAT
Shannon Sharpe
Tony Gonzalez
Kellum Winslow
Antonio Gates
There's 4 better just in his division.
Obviously it's an opinionated subject.
Eh, A guy called Gronkowski might want a word. Kelce is amazing but he's no Gronk, let's not lose our mind for some clickbait bs.
How bout that karma face mask on Ryan? Stop bitching Philly fans.
If that would have been called the eagles would have lost two in a row.
Gronk hands down, no better te in his prime, kittle is just as good as kelce
Is Rob planning on coming back? Don’t get me wrong because I loved him, until he became a traitor.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it .
Gronk is the GOAT of TEs. 4 rings and top 5 in many stats as a TE
Love Kelce but a healthy Gronk to me is the most Uncoverable TE of all time!
And one of the most dominant blocking TEs we have seen as well.
Easy quick answer about Kelsey being tight end goat. Nope. He ain't. Facts
Sorry, Gronk is the Greatest of all time with 5 superbowl apperances and 3 rings nothing more to say.
GRONK maybe a little better in his prime but kelce has managed to stay at the top a lot longer. GRONK had too many injuries but if I had to pick one on Super Bowl game day in their prime it would be GRONK. But kelce is definitely smarter
Hell no lmao, gronk and Tony G all day. Kelce is great, but wayy too much recency bias
No. #3. Still top 3. But no.
Kelce is unbelievable, phenomenal player but I think Gronk is the best. Imo Kelce as #2 (for now)👀👀
It even close. Give me Gronk or Sharpe anytime
Gronk is the greatest. I have seen them all and Gronk was just physically something else.
Gronk was more dominate at times than any TE ever but Kelce is passing all of Gronks numbers and not only is he not slowing down he's doing better every year.
Well dam that settles it then! Since you've seen em all!🙄 🤡
@@zarda1484 this second time Gronk has retired and I do not blame him because of injuries. He missed a few season as well right due to injuries. He would have higher numbers for sure. Bucs basically begging him to come back this year. Kelce is awesome. Just think Gronk was one of those players like a Randy Moss or Barry Sanders type athletes. That slight notch above who played football at a higher level.
@@lakeozarkrei3767 HA, it is a subjective topic. We are not discussing if 2 plus 2 is 4. However I think you would be just as silly even if we were talking about an objective topic like 2 plus 2 equals 4.
GRONK is the greatest. He's a BEAST at blocking a complete TE in my opinion.
My counter argument for kelce would be, why would you keep the greatest tightend receiving threat in to block? When he’s the greatest receiving tightend? Would you use your players to their strengths? Or try to use him as a power run blocker on half of his reps?
@@slimischillin7753 then just make him a Slot WR if he doesn’t block
@@vindicatedafi He does block though & he blocks well. But so many pats fans value Gronk's ability to block, like if he was Willie Roaf or something. Blocking is good and part of the job description of a tightend, but if your tighend is a generational receiving talent, it makes no sense to not use him in the best way for the team. People try to act like Travis Kelce can't block, but actually look at the film. He's a willing blocker and has a win rate on blocking downs. So he blocks well and is an incredible receiving threat.
@@slimischillin7753 he cannot block as a TE Hines ward blocks better than kelce. Also why even have him as a TE if he is a generational talent at receiving just make him a receiver.
@@vindicatedafi because he’s a tightend. And your opinion on his ability to block isn’t true. Check the tape and the numbers. I know it’s easier to buy into a jealous narrative than to actually know what you’re talking about though
Gronk>everyone else
Gronk is the TE goat
Young Tiffany Amber-Thiesen for greatest Tight End in history
Hmmn…I don’t think this can be disputed!
Seconded.
The man aint lying, she is a DIME.
He cant block, he is not a TE. There are WR that can block better than him. if you call Kelce a TE you can call guys like Adam thielen cooper kupp TEs too
So shannon sharpe and kellen winslow sr. arent TEs?
Kelce is a better blocker than both.
Be quiet casual. Adults are talking.
@@whitewhale9012 I got you Calvin Johnson best TE ever thanks for clarifing
@@TheT0N1c Dumb
Tony González. Antonio gates. Shanon sharpe.
Travis Kelce is a beast and so is his brother. The NFL needs to make a show called football family about families where multiple members play in the NFL at the same time or even through the generations. At the very least at least do one of those NFL top ten show episodes about football families. I just think it would be a good show bc I know of many families where multiple people are in the NFL and are beasts.
can’t remember exactly but feel like they did do one a while ago, but definitely deserves an update
TEs in general are the future of the NFL. They create the most mismatches and have the highest level of volatility from one to the next (in terms of height, weight and speed). Bill and the patriots new this 10-15 years ago and the chiefs are taking full advantage now with 4 te sets last night. I'm not the first to write something like this so not taking any credit but TE will be the future of this league. Just wait for these 6 6 4.4 250+ guys to start taking wr in the coming years.
Look for Josh Oliver and Isiah Likely for Baltimore with Mark Andrews
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Bruh he still isn't the greatest TE in franchise history
Been watching Kelce dominate all year long. He’s unbelievable
Even if he “isn’t” the best, which he is. 😝I think what it comes down to is Kelce and Mahomes are the best duo in Football history. I’m not an NFL historian, but they are amazing together.
montana and rice
brady gronk
@@GregSkinner thank you, was going to post the same exact duos. Kelce and Mahomes need to win more than one ring to even be considered in the conversation.
As a Chiefs fan I'd still put Montana/Rice and maybe even Young/Rice at the very top. Mahomes/Kelce is second of course.
@@williamd1891 I don’t know Rice - I’m fairly new to the game but he must have been a bada$$. I do know Montana is a legend when he was w the 49rs ;-)
@@williamd1891 Just dismiss Brady and Gronk literally have the stats and the rings