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Ruger 57, 5.7x28mm, The 5.56 Kurz Handgun
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2020
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Third Party 5.7 evaluation for further reading: drive.google.com/file/d/1Z6gdk_JdqKkYlUHqABWwb8Bh8dK2rHqo/view?usp=sharing
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The Gold Dot video is almost done, and I should have it up at the end of the week.
Thank you very much. I agree so far with every opinion you've stated in the video.
Excellent reference! Reinforces my decision to carry the FN 5.7z
I had the FN for 4 years (2007 - 2011) and it's been awhile but I do personally feel the Ruger is a better gun for me.
Please pin me link for red dot mount for the ruger 57 thank u
Just a piece of info that the bottom of the magazine can be used to push out the takedown lever. It's listed in the manual as such.
You can just use your finger
@@007josiah it's damn hard to do that, it's stuck in there good
I have been reading all of the 57 reviews: yours is the most thorough and clear---and USEFUL. You might have noted that the manual safeties are needless, and the missing drop safety is unimportant, because this pistol is never fully cocked until the trigger is fully pulled. I am getting one! (I "liked" and subbed!).........................elsullo
Thank you. I try to be as detail oriented as possible when doing longer term reviews so people have more info for making decisions!
Monday is leg day for me to. Get it out the way early. Thanks for all the info/content.
Just ordered one a few days ago. Cant wait.
How do you feel about it so far... I'm on the fence about getting one.... who is it finding ammo?
@@iamking77jb I actually ended up switching it out for something else. I didnt care for it. Not a bad gun, but the round didnt make much sense after doing some research & also the manual safety bugged me. I hate manual safetys on pistols. Ill put up with it for H&K, but not for a Ruger lol. Again, its a fine gun, but a few details made it not right for me. It is nice & light despite its size, which was cool!
@@sofloflow thank you... I was thinking the same thing... that's for the feedback
Awesome that you're not just knocking the Ruger because you have been an FN fan....Honestly love the round and Ruger did a hell of a job...👍Good video!
glad i found your channel, great info! I recently purchased the ruger 57 after alot of research
I look forward to your video on the speer ammo thanks again for the content
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Heck yeah! 💪💪 Ruger 57 with T6B ✅✅ Apex tactical needs to make the flatty trigger for us ASAP
Great video thanks for what you do! I ended up buying one yesterday and I love it. I ordered the Tandemkross Victory Trigger because I've heard it makes significant improvement. 👍🏼
Best channel on RUclips. I’ll stick with my FN. tried and true
Good to see another vid Matt! Keep it up, love your content.
You have added a lot to the body of knowledge about this caliber. Especially since the old 57 forum disappeared. It took a lot of reloading data and developed knowledge about how to make the FN pistols run and with it when it was gone. I know quite a lot of people had worked out ways to make the polymer coating irrelevant. I was a fool for not backing up copies of the most useful posts.
The coating is still needed. Just don't remove it and when it starts coming off, recycle the brass :D
@@BuffRANGE oh I recycle all the brass. And I think I would be just putting on a new coating. There are numerous methods that have been proven to work. But it's all moot until I can pick up one of those Ruger pistols.
@@EliteAmmunition along with the complete reloading section? When i checked a coupla months back, the forum i found seemed to have explicit policy against that kind of information.
@@GunFunZS It may have been the Johnny come lately fnforum. The www.fivesevenforum.com is alive and well with a realoading section going back years. Heck I am a mod there.
@@EliteAmmunition just noticed who you are. I definitely will take your word for it.
Got mine a few months ago....love it?! Wanna do an AR build at some point but cmmg a little high right now.... hopefully some other manufacturers start making things in this caliber
You are the 5.7 master!
If you have a problem reaching the mag release what I did was move it to the left side witch allows you to reach it better and faster with the thumb works for me try it out good video just subscribed 👍🏼
I had it on the left side (right handed setup), but swapped to the right (left handed setup), but for my little hands it didn't make a diff. The F5 mag release is larger so that might help it.
@@BuffRANGE will you review the f5 stuff? I talked to someone who had an issue with the mag release and couldn't get in touch with f5 and couldn't get anyone to call him back. I'm just curious if maybe it was a one off issue, user error, or if they have issues. He did say the +5 was functioning great though.
Edit: thanks for the review and all the stuff you do with the 5.7 cartridge too. I've gotten most of my info about it from you and I appreciate what you do. Thanks man.
@@IDK_what_TO_call_IT_ Yes. I can't get the F5 mag release to work either. TOO stiff and it sticks. I wanted to install the slide release and then get back them about the mag release. the +5 has been flawless.
Just picked mine up the other day. I am a first time owner but I spent more then I should've, never going back to that store again. Lol. But I am happy with the peace. Ammo was hard to find I called 6 gun store in the area but had to drive a hour to pick up hallow point since that's all that's available.
Nice review as always buffman just got mines love it !
Enjoy it
This was a great video, It felt like you were speaking directly to me.
Glad it was helpful! Working on being more person, less robot :D
I've had my 57 for almost 2 years now, when i first got it Federal FMJ was easy to find for $30 a box. As I learned more about the ammo I became concerned that the hype about armor defeating a handgun that made me want to get one was out of my reach since that ammo was only sold to law enforcement and the military. Started to think all I had was a hyped up PMR 30, which I have also, but after finding your channel and a couple of others I see there are some options. I currently use the Gold Dots in it until i can get my hands on better ammo. Nice vids, keep up the good work.
I recommend SS198LF for carry ammo. It's much higher pressure/fps than any other commercial round.
Thanks Matt. Great info.
Ok.. just assembled my ruger 57/MP 57 conversion. Waiting for the brace in mail.. choose the sig rattler brace.. before fire testing it. Think you'll like it. Only thing sorta bad about it is it needs an extended mag release. And only can find them sold as a combo with mag extensions. That'll have to wait till next month lol. Have a upgraded trigger ordered tho. I'd like to see ya thoughts on the build tho thanks
Here is an example of the problem with 5.7x28mm:
In those famous FBI shootouts. If the Agents had the FN 5.7 or the Ruger 5.7x28mm they would have done worse to stop the "bad" guys. _But_ the FBI Agent's would have penetrated their body armor & car doors.
Thus, in normal every day self-defense incidents the weakness of the 5.7x28 due to bad performance out of under 10 inch barrels.
This is easily seen compared to a 9mm or .45 ACP round man stoppers.
Seems like this would be a perfect application for a third-party barrel with threads and a one in seven or one in eight twist. and also strikes me as a pistol that would do pretty well with a compensator on that threaded barrel.
EFK was supposedly making one..
@@BuffRANGE I think Ruger entering the scene will quickly increase the overall demand. I would like the size 7 but it's already a duty size gun and I really don't see any downside to it being an inch or two longer. I would love a long slide and model with suppressor sites and a threaded barrel.
It's pronounced five seven, not five seven... come on Matt 😉 Great review, definitely one I want in the collection at some point. I find the 5.7 round fascinating
My Fav 5.7 channel! Could you do a full comparison FN vs RUGER video and share your opinions with us? I have the FN and love it, would it be too much to ask to see a gauntlet/torcher type of test back to back?😬 thanks again for great content!
Because of C-19, if you find yourself choosing between these two, price isn't a huge difference anymore. Most dealers are charging $700-800 for this pistol. If you don't like the manual safety on the FSN, get the Ruger. If you have concerns about slide rust and don't want to Cerakote the slide, get the FSN. Do you want a threaded barrel option, get the FSN. Do you need a thinner grip? Get the Ruger. I would say right now there's nothing glaring about the R57 that would make me not pick it over the FN. They both operate on the same cam delayed blowback operating mech, so a lot of it's personal preference.
Great video, very informative!
exactly my same thought, lemme' get a threaded barrel!!
Glad to see you have a red dot on the "57". I just got a HOLOSUN 509T fully enclosed red dot sight for my "57" and my gunsmith is going to drill and countersink the holes for mounting the included plate. RUGER makes NO plate for a dovetail red dot sight mount like the 509T or ACRO.
My "57" is a companion to my PS90. With 5 PS90 50 round mags and 3 RUGER 57 20 round mags ZOMBIES Beware! ("militias" too).
Just be careful with system weight. These 5.7 guns don’t handle much over the optic and basic mounting plate weight.
Thanks for the reviews, my man. I'll definitely be looking out in the future for your vids on 5.7x28 as you've become one of the top resources for this caliber.
Speaking of this caliber, it looks like on your spreadsheet that the difference between SS195LF and SS198LF are extremely small. So, save money and the issue of having red "LEO only" boxes by getting 195...?
It seems that way. SS195LF seems to vary the most in velocity, and these powders used in 5.7 (at least the FN and Fiocchi loads) are very temperature dependent. I've hit over 2200 fps in SS198LF before, but never in SS195LF or SS192.
@@BuffRANGE that's interesting. I'd like to see SS190 with domestic intermediate powders like True Blue, Silhouette, or CFE Pistol; or some slower magnum powders like H110 or maybe an extruded powder like 4227 which isn't temp sensitive and is obscenely accurate.
@@BuffRANGE speaking of that velocity in the 5.7, innovation is appearing to make the 9mm compete better and better with the 5.7 in armor penetration. Check this out: www.ammoland.com/2020/10/dangy-dagger-9mm-round-defeats-level-3a-body-armor/#axzz6aOj4pp9p
When they release the component bullets, I will be loading them (or buying, depending on the cost of the cheaper version). The wound cavity a slug like this would create moving at over 2200fps in a non-fragmenting 9mm would be amazing.
@@calangel I saw that, and that will be very interesting. Wonder what they can come up with in 5.7 though :D
@@BuffRANGE I don't think it will be better than ss190, t6b, s4, or VO's black fang. Tumbling send to be where the damage is with 5.7x28mm....unless they leverage the hollow point area around the tip to guarantee quick tumbling after penetration. Fleet-yaw phenomenon is likely what blurs the reputation of ss190 performance.
Great video - This video was very informative and helpful. Do you have a video regarding the installation of the extended mag release and slide release?
Not yet.
I herd they don’t care. “Call it whatever you want” kinda thing.. anyways
I have a question for you... if you slowly put the mag in, does it click in? Or do you have to smack it the rest of the way in?
That is also an acceptable response to :D
I edited my comment, did you see the other question?
@@SHARK1202X if you slowly press it in it will click and lock into place.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Uh-Oh, mine won’t go in with a little push. I have to tap it in. I guess I will be calling Ruger today. It’s almost like the mag won’t go over the latch that holds the mag in place... unless it gets tapped in.
Just tap it in... _tappy tappy tappy_
With proper bullet placement any round is effective.
Preach 💯
You Michigan guys and your aluminum can "deposit". Years ago I was on a high school outing in Michigan, and when I threw a can into the campfire, all the Michigan guys looked at me like I was some maniac burning money.
I really wish they would get rid of it, and then I could just recycle them in the herby we have in our city for recycling.
fine work
Thanks
Technically there is 3 manufacturer of the 5.7x28, cmmg came out with a rifle and pistol ar version. But I do wish it got more traction its a really fun round to shoot. Great review 👏
There’s a kel teck and diamond back the fn and the ruger than there’s a couple more can’t place them right off hand lol
ive tried to like this pistol but i cant, ill stick with my sbr mk57 banshee, if i choose the pistol i'll do FN.
It is indeed RUGER 5.7
RUGER 5 7
FIVE SEVEN
There is no fifty-seven numerical associated with 5.7x28mm firearms. Perhaps if something is made in 2057.
I just purchased my ruger 57. Grabagun has them listed at 649.00 was able to get 100 ends from wikiarms sight.
What kind of oil do you recommend to keep the gun from exterior rust?
Your basic BreakFree CLP. Or even a silicone cloth.
I still wouldn’t trust dropping a gun. I get flashbacks on how many times I have dropped my iPhone 5ft but that one moment it drops 1ft the screen cracks. Game over. 😫
Correct. Do your best not to drop any gun and make it a point to drive that into your handling at all times!
Love this pistol. In the process of talking to some custom shop gunsmiths to see about contracting a custom threaded barrel. Not that I have any interest in suppressing it (all 5.7x28 has going for it is speed, so subsonic 5.7 ammo isn't much better than 22lr imo) but because I want to run a comp. 5.7 develops a lot of pressure behind the slug, so a comp should do serious work. With how little muzzle flip the R57 has already, a properly dialed in comp should be able to produce a perfectly flat shooting pistol WITHOUT sacrificing terminal ballistics.😄
Waste your money
Thanks for the links to the evals. I have been comparing the T6B and the BlackFang and have noticed that I get better groups out of the BlackFang. Do you have any thoughts on this? And what are the problems associated with the fiveseven and popped primers. This happens with T6B in my experience.
Could be something to do with aerodynamics? Or Maybe the BDF is a little more mild than the T6B so it could be not past the point where speed affect accuracy? More bearing surface on the BDF? Or bullet shape keeps it spinning "true" when leaving the barrel?
Popped primers could be a result of that primer not being able to handle the extra pressure of the round. I know EA uses military surplus SS190 pulled brass, but has used SS197SR/AE TMJ brass in the past, and maybe that primer isn't to spec? Is it silver or brass colored? I've popped a fair share of primers, but only when testing the original CMMG Banshee and it was with some DAS ammo that's no longer made.
Maybe I just got a good trigger in mine, but it seems significantly different than this one. Mine has no mush after the take up. It's actually a pretty crisp break. Not a glass rod break, but a really clean break. Even when I pull as slowly as possible it goes from take up, to wall, to break very nicely. It's like the hammer on the one I have is already fully cocked. I can't see any rearward movement of the hammer when I pull the trigger. I actually really like the trigger on it.
I can't be the only one whose trigger is like this. Can someone else verify that theirs is too? I'm not trying to "one up" or say that "mines better than yours" with this comment. I'm just curious which trigger is more common, mine or the great buffman's here. I don't really get on forums so idk what everyone else is saying about their's.
How new is yours? Are you sure the hammer isn't moving down in the slightest?
Got it in March, I think. I might have a 250 rounds through it. Haven't shot it much. Been trying to save most of the 600 or 700 rounds I have on hand just in case this shortage lasts longer than we think. But I just watched the hammer again throughout the entire trigger pull. It does have a very little movement right when the trigger hits the wall. I guess was looking at the hammer after I had already gotten the trigger to the wall. And after rewatching your video, the movement is about the same. A little hard to tell exactly from the over head view, but it seems pretty close at least. I'm mostly amazed at how different the trigger pull is between the one you have and the one I have. It looks like mine has a little less take up, but after that it hits a hard wall and there's no way I could pull it that it wouldn't break immediately after that wall. Unlike the statement I made about the hammer movement, there really is zero movement in the trigger after it gets to the wall. Other than the break, obviously. I'm sure you'd know better than me on this... do you think yours or mine is the more common as far as trigger pull?
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Made this real quick with my phone. First video I've ever uploaded. It's short and to the point, but thought it might help to see it instead of having it explained.
@@IDK_what_TO_call_IT_ Interesting. Trigger still seems to follow the same as mine. Maybe look through the back open slot and watch the hammer and see if it goes down.
10:50. Someone DID make a flat face trigger for it.... Was it APEX? I don't remember.
Excellent review. I found no errors or statements I personally disagree with. lol
Yep TandemKross did. Got one I'm reviewing now.
Yea the victory trigger I have one on my Ruger 57 excellent
just got one it is a good shooting gun
"That's what she said! . . ." ha ha
I’ve liked every Ruger I’ve fired.
I picked mine up 2 weeks ago...$680....nice shooting gun...ammo is Scarce...anyone know where I a can get a owb holster
PSA has plenty.
Shopruger.com
Best choices.
Buffmaaaan! I'm so glad you don't fuckin use rave music looool
What? No dead lifts?
I did some today :D. DId a 6x2 backsquat on monday, and a 6x2 shoulder press today as well.
@@BuffRANGE have you tried M.O.T.S. (Probably butched the name) basically light weight, consistent positive and negative with weight never coming to rest to failure, I personally try for 5 minutes on every exercise but switch back to pyramid heavy the next week. It is harder than you think and trains stamina, had some guy laughing at the light weight explained the process and he tried lasted under a min and could barely move after, no more laughing 😅
@@eatingelizabethsfrizbee Interesting. Might have to give that a try. We finally are allowed to work out in the gym at work again, so I can get back at it more!
@@BuffRANGE good to hear.
Very good review , well done , subed
What did I get wrong, or what can I do better?
@@BuffRANGE you spent most of the time with just you in the video, and not the firearm,
@@tomgreen1721 Like you want more shooting footage?
You KNOW YOUR MY MAN!!!! AND I always agree with you like our minds think the same or when you teach me something but my brother I sold the ruger honestly did not like it and I got lucky some idiot to pay me more then it was worth because he couldn’t find any at the gun show and didn’t want to wait until they ordered one for him but my brother i don’t know what it is but the MKII FNH still my everyday carry my gun I would have at my store and I would never trade it for another round especially t6b but moral of all this my brother is my just adding my two cents I’m after I bought it thinking I was bad ass having the fnh on me and the ruger at the store but my friend i walked back in and did what you would have done I told myself lol bought the banshee in 5.7 and thought of you when they asked me what caliber do you want
Why do you have 5.56 kurz on the video name?
Was trying to be a little clickbait. 5.7x28mm is just a smaller 5.56 :D
Can I use this little man for hunting?
Sure what kind of game?
@@BuffRANGE Big game.
I'd order one if I could find ammo for it.
I'm hoping someone starts making brass. Like in mass quantities so we're not relying on FN to make brass.
@@BuffRANGE Is the Federal stuff using the FN brass?
@@madengineer9072 yes. Everyone is using FN Brass as they are sole producer. For now ;)
Check your local farm supply stores. Buddy of mjne got 3 boxes for the price of 1 he would have gotten at the surplus store!
PSA has a bunch of ammo. $49.99 for 50 rounds.
Can’t put this on your steak . No but seriously did the red dot cause any malfunctions ?
Nope. stick to lighter RDS, and don't go crazy on the mounting plate. I haven't gotten subs to cycle this gun yet, but since no threaded barrel, I haven't been able to try them in combo with a can.
I nicked named my gun 57... not 5-7
Or is this just the full review?
This is the full review. I've had this gun since January, but felt in order to give it a proper shake down, I wanted to use it as much as possible.
I can’t find ammo 😭
What oil do you suggest to use to avoid surface rust
I just use a CLP or silicone gun cloth
I'm confused, video description says "5.56" then the video in says it's a 5.7.......
5.56 Kurz as in a "shortened 5.56." it's chambered in 5.7x28mm
Ok, it's just misleading to me. I was hoping someone was cool enough to make a hand gun that is chambered in 5.56 for an ar15.
Buffman. Was the optic a hinderance since you decided to remove it?
I just didn’t feel like it added anything for me. And since it ads slide weight it hinders subsonics a little. Other full power ammo it worked fine on.
@@BuffRANGE ok thanks. been contemplating a red dot
@@BuffRANGE Hey I saw your video on the L191 Tracer AP. Are they worth the money for a shtf scenario?
@@neilsmith3986 not really. :) more “look what I got”
@@BuffRANGE So what's your favorite round for self-defense in an urban environment?
10 cents a piece for brass?
In my town they only pay 20 cents a pounds of aluminum.
I want one of these. Just none around where I am right now.
Yep, that's the other downside. It's a solid buy at $550-650. At $800, it's harder for me vs buying the Five-SeveN
@@BuffRANGE I agree the $550-650 range I would buy in a heartbeat. Anything more than that nope.
@@BuffRANGE In the Oregon area the BiMart chain has had them for sale and on display for $630. Usually 1-2 in stock.
@@madengineer9072 There you go :D
@@BuffRANGE I know :) bought one last week. Natchez even has the ammo in stock for 26.49 a box for Federal right now.
The FN Gods will curse you for purchasing the Ruger. You must sell your Ruger for another MK2
2 MK2 is not enough? The Ruger will now be the little bitch for testing.
Any failures in the 57
Very few. Sometimes if I take it out and it's colder than 50F outside, AE TMJ or SS197SR like to short stroke on the first round. I've noted the same in the FSN as well.
556 kurz? you cant be more wrong my friend, the 22tcm is literally a 556 kurz. 556 projectile and same brass except 24 mm length...
I'm not allowed to imply this could be called the 5.56 short because the 5.7 fires the same .223/.224" diameter projectiles as .223Rem/5.56x45mm, just from a shorter case and less speed?
@@BuffRANGE its called 5.7 for a reason, try reloading it with 556 tips and lets see how well the accuracy goes, same as reloading with 308 bullets for 7.62x54r
Alejandro Ayora that’s where you’re incorrect. Every single “5.7” bullet mics .223/.224”. Just like 5.56 bullets.
@@BuffRANGE No, you're not allowed to call it "5.56 short" because it doesn't share its basic brass case w/ any other round. "Kurz" is "short," as in "it's the same critical dimensions as this other round, but shorter." You'd be better off calling it 22 FMC ["22 Fabrique magnum centerfire," as opposed to 22 WMR, which shares much the same ballistics, only is the older, rimfire cousin...] ;-)
@@nunyabidniz2868 Or literally it's the internet, I can come up with whatever title I want :D Besides pistol for pistol the 5.7 produces at min 76% more velocity than the 22 WMR :)
What vest rig are you wearing?
Templar's Gear CPC ROC. He does ship to US: bit.ly/2yyiwLm
Ambidextreeeus! What!
I think I tried 3-4 times and settled :D
Tough word, doesn’t roll off the tongue quite right 😎
Ambi works.
8.6 long thats what she said Im weak lol 😆
That's some clickbait man. It ain't no 5.56 like in the title
Is this old? I only ask because u use it a lot in test videos
This is the full review. I've had this gun since January, but felt in order to give it a proper shake down, I wanted to use it as much as possible.
Just buy the FN 57 its better
Or the 57 Rock :)
Mine just blew up in my hand has been shot about 30 times can't tell you how much that suck
What ammo were you shooting. ?
@@BuffRANGE not real good on these phones man old school high performance ammunition 40 grain Hornady VMAX
Just figured out how to talk back to you
Weird trigger
I do not like the trigger on it. The blade is OK, but the actual travel is MEHH
I just blew up in my hand can't tell you how much that sucked
What ammo?
Has anyone run over a thousand rounds of the hot elite ammunition cartridges to see what kind of damage they do to the pistol?
I’ve been shooting hiPo rounds in the FSN for years and it’s fine. It will take me awhile to amass that in the Ruger.
@@BuffRANGE
These bullets are 20% hotter than the original design. It must be dumping that energy somewhere. Maybe the polymer frame is better at shock absorption than metal.
TRU Dat they’re still under the 50k psi. But true that the polymer frame could help.
That's what she said? (eyeroll)
Rolling them dad jokes 24/7 :D
Why in the lords name would any American citizen buy this gun
When there is no ammo at any big box store or on line. If I do managed to find ammo it's $50 a box. That's a dollar around no way would I buy this pistol.
When things normalize it's $20/box. Different strokes for different folks
All I need to know about famous 5.7x28 https: //www.chuckhawks.com/5-7x28_cop_killer.htm Also, this: www.policemag.com/374542/a-trauma-surgeon-talks-about-wound-ballistics-and-stopping-power IMO, 5.7 is over-hyped unicorn caliber. Good luck with finding ammo now! R57 is no thinner or lighter than G17 and R57 magazine holds only 3 more rounds. Moreover, Ruger 57 is unsafe to carry with loaded chamber. See Owner's Manual, page 21. Also, widely reported spongy trigger, flimsy sights, failures to eject, stovepipes, etc., etc. Instead of hipsterish 5.7x28 Ruger should give 7.62x25 new life. Conclusion: Glock 19, loaded with 50 - 147 grains, rules!
Lol that ChuckHawk's article simply looks at velocity figures, inaccurately makes assumptions of velocity figures of 22 mag. Why is that your source material? Your second article mentions nothing of 5.7, but rather hints at the # one way to stop a threat " So, stopping a threat really does not come down to caliber, it is shot placement."
@@BuffRANGE I bet you gonna like this one too. www.usacarry.com/forums/attachments/general-firearm-discussion/15489d1456098811-looking-gun-stopping-power-but-little-no-kick-2ajuf6d.jpg
Yep seen it. I just tested the Speer 5.7 GD vs the Speer 22 mag gold dot yesterday. It took the 16" CMR-30 to penetrate 12" in gel vs the 16" the Ruger 57 did. :)
@@BuffRANGE I believe it when I see it.
the magazines are garbage. I returned it in 24 hrs and bought the FN.
Lots of reports of bunk mags. They would have replaced them.
@@BuffRANGE between that and the manual stating it would fire when dropped...I figured FN
@@tanman7627 I think people are overblowing the "fire when dropped" if you read many manuals, they will advise against chambered round carrying because "it could go off it dropped" :D
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