Simon is such a pleasure to listen to that I’m listening to this again two years later. He’s brilliant on GB News, but I hope that he didn’t inadvertently ‘cancel’ himself last night with his ‘people of colour’ joke, even though it was spot on.
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I'm a big fan of Carl Benjamin's work but I think *Simon Evan's comments here are fair* and non hysterical. Sargon would probably take it as fair criticism from an honest actor and he would definitely have a conversation with Simon Evans! It's interesting that Simon doesn't have the context for the "misjudged rape joke". The point is powerful people such as Jess Phillips are working hard to censor British citizens, further criminalise our free expression and are sometimes open chauvinists. There was no real push back on these censors who use claims of "online threats" to justify censorship. The point is he made the most offensive *non-threat* he could in order to highlight this trick and make them notice. The media dutifully presented mean comments as threats and others used it to justify censorship with politicians calling on social media to "do more". Notice how the context is often excluded and sometimes the supposedly offensive material isn't even shown at all by the media so the public cannot make up their own minds. It's usually stripped of all context and even tone, perhaps a mere extract of a quote read in a serious tone. The equivalent might be if Jess Phillips' "knifing Corbyn in the front" comments were brought up by every media personality that interviewed her and politicians and the media class discussed barring her from elections and prosecuting her for terroristic threats. In a sensible world, a man who garners 1m subscribers on a political commentary channel might expect to have his views reflected in the mainstream media every now and again. Yet whenever issues of feminism or censorship come up there seems to be a wall of relative agreement despite the narrow and orthodox media position being a tiny minority view in the country. You might get someone from spiked, Ella Whelan, or you might get Kate Andrews presenting the inner party somewhat acceptable opinion which is then ignored: "We listened to the so called other side and now we can continue apace with our identitarian and censorious policies". You really have to try and step outside of the bubble of so called acceptable opinion to try to make objective comparisons of the awful things said and policies pursued by some people within the mainstream directed at those on the edges or outside. Compare that to the reaction to comments made by those on the outside with no actual authority and who are deplatformed and prosecuted, sometimes at the behest of what amounts to an "inner party".
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Terrific interview. Always detected a strong streak of rebelliousness hearing him on the radio but didn't realise how sound he is. Erudite, eloquent, highly intelligent and perceptive and not scared of calling people out. First rate show. So glad he called Jo Brand out over Carol Thatcher. And really pleased he finally said what any sentient being realises about Carl Benjamin (setting himself on a pedestal when he's surrounds himself with pygmies). He wasn't entirely accurate about Dave Rubin, however. Rubin's not tired of what he does -- he's just painstakingly written a book. Rubin's a decent guy who is simply not very well educated and not capable of convincing high-brow discussion. He's somehow ended up surrounded by serious intellectuals from the IDW and seems constantly trying to convince himself and everyone else that he's part of the IDW gang (hence writing the book). Yet when he is in a group discussion he simply shuts up as he's over his head. Would be much easier if he just admitted he's the host of the show who brings everyone together in his studio. Nothing more, nothing less. End of the day, I'd rather have the money making show with my name on it. Best role of all.
I'm funny. I know I'm funny. I should be allowed to "push the envelope" of free speech. In all seriousness though, this is a good question. I've heard it a lot recently that "comedians" should have this special privilege, and for the rest of us, discovering who is considered a comedian is important to understanding whose speech we should defend, or not, as the case may be.
Clearly doesn't know that much about Carl Benjamin or the people he has talked to - Jordan B Peterson, Erin Pizzey, Christina Hoff Somers, numerous EU politicians etc etc. Raise your game Sargon? Really? Well that's going to be difficult when it's already raised so far above 99% of politicians.
He sounded like a pompous ass when he said that. He also said that Joe Rogan challenges his guests ... yeh ... sometimes. He's certainly not consistent on that. Dave Rubin is consistent with all of his interviews. Joe can be hostile or a little lamb depending on his monthly cycle or if he's interviewing one of his mates. Also, he said only black comedians can get away with jokes about sexual dynamics. Bill Burr has a Gold Digging Whores skit. It's hilarious. Pretty white to me. If this guy thinks he's intelligent enough to judge Carl Benjamin ... he truly is a great comedian.
Some of these comments. lol Evans is extremely perceptive, insightful and intelligent and was in no way attempting to slander Benjamin. If you can't see the irony of you lot being triggered by a decent, well-meaning critique..... well. Benjamin does need to up his game. And he needs to move out of his comfort zone of fawning fans who are easily impressed with pseudo-intellectualism and actually engage with real figures in the IDW.
She's mastered the art of delivering hatespeech under the guise of humour. Amongst most normal folk she's almost certainly viewed as a bad loser with a massive chip on her shoulder.
Always been a big fan of Simon and his life shows are brilliant, his comment about Thomas Sowell is spot on, one of the great minds of our time. Good work, shame about the mic noise.
I go to the Fringe every year and my last gig is always Simon Evans. Very much a sorbet. He is very fair and balanced as were his comments about Karl Benjamin. His comments about Brand and being allowed to say that but the BBC should have cut it was excellent and made me think.
Sargon didn't say it directly to her. The media showed it to her & asked her if she was offended. First she said that she didn't care & when the media wouldn't let it go, she suddenly was offended. She realized that she could use that.
Right wing will take the piss out of everything. Left wing only joke about right wing people or won't joke about a list of things. If comedy has boundaries then it's not comedy
Why won't you have Alastair Williams on? He's basically what you've been talking about - a comedian who's lost his job because of his political leaning to the right. Is it true you don't want him on your show?
@@davidbrinnen Have you been following his live stream that's he's just started doing daily? It's so nice to be able to listen and then chat with like minded people in this PC hell we are currently living through.
I have to admit Jo Brands being hoisted by her own petard is the funniest thing that's happened in years. What goes around... Context is everything, whether it's a dry leftwing comedian, or a hitler-saluting pug.
He seems to think that the opposite of PC culture humour, or what he says is right wing humour, is old Jim Davidson jokes or 'rugby club' humour. I don't think this is what anyone is calling for and makes me think he is has lost sight of where the edge in the culture war is. What we need is a comedian who will explode the cognitive traps of PC culture and its inherent paradoxes/hypocrisy. I would agree that great comedy is about cruelty and can reveal the audiences unknowing complicity in this cruelty/hypocrisy. Norm MacDonald has always been great at this and was punished for it. Alistair Williams is also a current comedian whose work has dried up for questioning the orthodoxy.
Norm was punished? Norm has been terribly successful, the only time he was ever punished was for being not funny, in a funny sort of way, which lots of people (including the former head of NBC) don't really get. Telling a bad joke and getting a laugh because you explain the joke, not because of the joke itself is a typical example, one that Conan constantly makes fun of. Always reminds me of Police Squad!, with Leslie Nielson. Did like half a season, hilarious show, was canceled because "the viewer had to watch it in order to appreciate it". That quote sounds like nonsense, but it comes from an executive that is responsible for cutting the show and it refers to the style of humour, you need to watch every scene to understand the jokes. If you don't pay attention you miss him screaming as if acid was thrown in his face when she throws a wig at him. Norm continues to be popular, financially successful and to have both his own program and to show up on programs belonging to other people, I can't imagine how you could describe him as being punished for criticizing "PC culture". There are plenty of people from the left that have spoken out on "PC culture", but on the absurd parts of it, not on it as a whole. Stephen Fry has done it repeatedly, and paid legal fees for people that got into trouble because of it, he is exceptionally leftist in most regards. "PC culture" is not itself an evil thing, but if taken too far (which lets face it, politicians and bureaucrats are going to do because their decision making process is fed to them by people that read polls) it can be. What inherent paradoxes/hypocrisies are there in not being offensive to most of the people I know that are not also white males? Don't call my friend from Zimbabwe anything racist, don't assume women only exist for my gratification and don't assume that they dress in a way I find appealing for anyone other than themselves, those are kind of the simple "evils" of PC culture that we frankly need, because in addition to working with women who want to wear short shorts in 30+ Celsius weather and people of different races I also work with an old South African that has defended apartheid to me (told me they were better off and that no one was oppressed), quotes "facts" he has heard off of Fox that are the literal opposite of the truth. I used to work with a second South African, but he quit when the person promoted to be his new manager was an Indian, that spoke better English than him and was better at his job than him. Certainly less of a lazy fuck. The parts of PC culture we need are to keep a muzzle on old racists, who are likely never to go away completely. Lets us be civil, frankly it is the reason I don't call either of those Afrikaners racist, lying ass-holes every-time I see them (the one still comes by on occasion).
@cosmic moth From what I have seen of Alistair he seems funny enough, but he's nothing special. His jokes don't really make sense, and jokes don't really need to but there is a balance between being absurdist and realistic. If your joke relies on a premise that cannot suspend disbelief, people will question the joke in their heads instead of laughing at it. Him making fun of Sadiq Khan for instance, okay Sadiq should probably try to lower stabbings, I think stabbings are looked on negatively by both us leftists and the right-wing, that joke works. But then saying no-one cares about Sadiq's opinion of Trump is very demonstrably untrue, their were demonstrations that pretty clearly show that. Saying a politician was not elected to interact with other politicians in the field of politics is fucking ignorant, and then the joke isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it is a political commentary. Might as well say no one hired Alexander Lacazette to kick a ball around. And because it is not really funny and I can think for myself I can also start to think about the other things he is saying and reason that Sadiq doing something about knife crimes and his opinion of Trump are not related to each other, criticizing Trump does nothing one way or the other for knife crimes, he can do both, arguably what he WAS elected for was to do both, and knowing how that works, he is. He can't just go out and personally stop knife crimes, the extent of his power is to give more resources to the police and hope they institute policies that help reduce knife crime. Sometimes the brass in the police are idiots and simply do token things that don't really accomplish anything. The Burger King thing is kind of funny, it is more absurdist so I can forget that Europe in no way resembles a Burger King and enjoy most of the joke without listening to the political commentary in it, but it is still there and it does start to take away from the joke. For one thing, you need a deal for Brexit because it is cheaper to leave with a deal than it will be to leave without one. As an example, there is a ton of British money in the EU from trade deals that have been in place for years, if you leave without a deal a lot of that money gets left behind, or suddenly becomes subject to taxes and things it was exempt from before, but will not be any longer. It will in all likely hood Ireland a mess, again. For another 6/10 being in favour or leaving is a slight exaggeration during the actual voting (51.9% and 60% are not really the same numbers), most indications are that those numbers have reversed since everyone has found out what a cock-up it is and what the actual ramifications are.
@@Lowlandlord Okay I will try to deal with these briefly. First, you are clearly not aware of Norm MacDonald's career. He is known as one of the most fearless comedians, by comedians, and was fired and blacklisted from networks for refusing to stop making jokes about certain celebrities and their hypocrisy. His roast of Bill Clinton at the Press Club dinner is a perfect example, he was ruthless and got laughs. Here are a few examples ruclips.net/video/3mtfa0iyeM0/видео.html. He has always been critical of PC culture and hypocrisy where he sees it and even at cost to himself. The reason he maintained a career was due to other comedians seeing how great he was and supporting him, David Letterman being one. Second, "There are plenty of people from the left that have spoken out on "PC culture", nobody said there weren't. Third, "What inherent paradoxes/hypocrisies are there in not being offensive to most of the people I know that are not also white males?", only you are asking that question. That is certainly not what I asked for. What you are describing is civility. Political Correctness is not the same thing, it is an ideology that seeks to control speech, action and thought in a very authoritarian and coercive manner. It has a great number of logical flaws and hypocritical viewpoints, many of which have been outlined by guests on this channel if you watch the backlog. Fourth, your anecdotes bear no relation to my comment, but we can agree that being civil is a good thing. Lastly, can I politely suggest that you reread your comments before posting. They would benefit from better punctuation and less stream of consciousness. Speaking is not the same as writing.
@@GGTutor1 So yeah, with in the year he was "blacklisted" from SNL he was in two movies with SNL people (one of which he wrote and starred in, there is some argument over the ads on the network for the one movie, but then Norm did start a personal attack on the head of the network before hand, which again, he doesn't even believe in anymore). The next year he was in two more movies, plus he was on the show he was "blacklisted" from, plus he got his own show that lasted three seasons. His career was doing better when he was "blacklisted" than in in the nine previous years, I wish I got blacklisted like that. Also, as an aside, it is really annoying reading his statements because he sounds like a fucking teenage valley girl, like, um, like, like. He says like a lot. Comes up as more congenial when he is speaking, and it suits his very spartan, minimalist comedic style (many of his so called OJ jokes are not even jokes, he just connected OJ to someone that murdered a guy and then said "Because OJ murdered a guy").
SIMON: You're a brilliant comedian, too! Heard you on 'LIVE AT THE APOLLO'. Unlike the wretched JO BRAND (who I used to love to watch!) your are consistent, and do not VIRTUE-SIGNAL, that YOUR particular political views define the morally virtuous! For the two incidents you cite, I now switch off when JO BRAND appears. She has some grovelling to do, before that situation changes; which could be difficult for her to execute for physical reasons! Your point on what constitutes ACTUAL 'heresy' on the BBC these days is well made. BRAND doesn't 'transgress': but, then, neither does IAN HISLOP. Both are thoroughgoing, paid-up, members of the media ESTABLISHMENT! Where you err is in trying to second-guess the reasons so many of us (the majority!) voted to come out of the European Union. Your reasons were those of 'BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE-MAN'. Over 17 million people, all voting for the same reason? Come off it! You praise people for their 'intellect' frequently. Your own is high; so don'e go down that road.
If you're planning on keeping this seating arrangement in the studio please add a boom mic on the future equipment list if it's not there already. Keep up the good work guys!
@@barkebaat It was, as a retired soundman myself a clip on mic wouldn't have been my choice to use with an expressive interviewee who constantly moves his arms around to make his point. A boom stand mic would have been far better. I kept expecting a break in the interview to replace the clip on and now understand why it wasn't.... no sound tech..
I like Joe Rogan's show. The variety and scope of his guests are a rare thing. He has no issue talking to people he disagrees with and call out any bullshit.
Bit of a normie take on things tbh esp the Sargon, gamergate, alt right bit. He's not on the razors edge of things but a decent enough discussion nonetheless.
I don't know, it was nice to hear a slightly different view. He's not a full-on normie, but he's not full-on Sargon either. I thought his take about Gamergate being the origin of all the Me-Too/SJW/Woke stuff was interesting.
10:20 Konstantin - as I understand it, Carl could not make his joke directly to Jess because she already had him blocked on twitter. Does that change your opinion?
@@philwatts True, hence my question. Subsequent events have in my view justified the making of this joke, given how it has exposed the media bias. But at the outset, I don't think I'd have been overly keen to defend the making of this joke. It is only with the benefit of hindsight and how it has revealed the workings of the MSM that the value of it can be argued. So yes, it's altogether tricky. It could be argued that Carl had a clearer vision of what the consequences of his joke would be or maybe he was just lucky? Either way, he has gathered a significant number of supporters and defenders as a result. Whichever way you slice it, it had an effect, which is more than can be said for my numerous letter to my own MP.
@@davidbrinnen What it revealed to you was the point of the joke. Some people take non threat mean comments and classify them as "threats and harassment" in order to justify censorship and criminalisation. The media played their role in this. Carl knew this because the exact same thing happened during GamerGate. A good example is a young man made an online "game" where you can punch an image of prominent feminist in the video games industry by clicking as she gets bloodied and bruised. I believe he had previously made one of George Bush or someone else. It's a common thing and you see games like this promoted on twitter where you can kill Trump in various gruesome ways. But with the game directed at the feminist it became a scandal and I don't quite recall but the guy who made it was actually harassed and may have lost his job. Basically, they are allowed to joke about killing you and make violent games about dissident figures but if you do the same then they will destroy you. They will claim it is sexism and harassment etc... The point is that they don't actually care about "threats and harassment", it's simply a power play: When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles. The worst part is that they are the ones with institutional power and yet they still play the victims.
@@Saddamuel Yes, it was gamer gate that really first awakened me to the idea that something iffy was going on in the whole of the establishment media. The puzzle really is, what is the best way to wake up the normies and not have them panic and act irrationally and in a way that would be counter productive?
@@davidbrinnen That's a very responsible take. I have no idea what to do. Sargon seems to think the Brexit Party is now relatively establishment aligned in many respects. But it could be that Peter Hitchens is right and the Conservative, and consequently the Labour party, both need to be effectively smashed. Perhaps the Brexit Party is a route to that. It all seems too big but what's the source? Is it the universities? I think defunding universities would do the job but that's more like a final move. If the Conservative government of 2015 were truly "right wing", they would have taken advantage of their surprise victory and done this or started the process. When I say "defund", I mean pull all student loans from nonsense subjects, divert this to science, medicine and direct technical training. Encourage students to go straight into work and support them in doing so - the spending on universities could go towards a massive tax cut and first house support for under 25s who don't go to university. Have a plan and a definition of "political" subjects. Do not ban them, but refuse to fund them on the basis that it's government support for political activism. I'd also defund all government linked diversity schemes and divert the money to people you cannot criticise. Spend the money directly on the poorest in society and frame it as helping the genuinely marginalized instead of the middle class moaners.
Great interview but he is completely wrong about Joe Rogan. Mr Rogan sold out a long time ago. He has many advertisers, deals with Netflix, the UFC, RUclips and now Spotify. He has been self censoring for years to serve his masters. He is also a mirror for whoever is on his show. He changes his views daily and does not push his guests at all, unless they criticise bowhunting, eating meat, flotation tanks, kettlebells or have the wrong opinion on drug taking.
Consider the possibility that people like Sargon might provide space for Libertarian minded or "right wing" comedians to express more of their politics on shows like Mock the Week. Without people like Sargon, if not Carl Benjamin himself, would we be seeing shows like Triggernometry or comedians speaking about the issues of bias? If people like Sargon had kept schtum and not built up massive audiences to show this stuff is popular, would we just be ignoring these issues? Sometimes you need genuinely controversial figures. I look at the way Farage has done this. For years he was called a racist and he still is, but he's such a force of nature that he made room for people to express reasonable opinions that are not at all bigoted. He exposed the years of media smears I had fallen for and I resent the corporate press and the BBC for pulling the wool over my eyes. My own father is a Conservative and he told me he thought Farage was a racist and he didn't like him. But the crazy thing is that my father has said far worse and more crass things than I can imagine Farage saying.
Nice of him to denigrate the intelligence of extreme metal fans, I wonder how many of those people he actually knows or has conversed with to formulate that generalisation.
Joe Rogan started his podcast with a co host. Brian Redban. Everyone hated him except for me, because he reminded me of the silly immature kids I knew in middle school. Since 2012, Joe has created space between himself and redban, allowing them to pursue their separate destinies without one hindering the other. This has been universally good for Joe Rogan. Konstantin Kisin needs to do the same. Half his guests are mediocre, but his personality carries it through. His co host does the opposite. He takes a mediocre interview and makes it unwatchable with his boring predictability. This chubby soy boy sjw cant mask his bias. You know exactly what hes going to say before he says it, and you find yourself hitting that "l" button just to get to the point that you already knew. Triggernometry is a world class podcast with an extremely low subscriber count because half the show is unbearable.
Carl has been on the street talking to the people, actual people. The man has not been hiding in his room. I think this comedian needs to have a public chat with Carl and see who is more informed.
You people are as defensive as the snowflakes you claim to hate. He's seen a bit of SoA, formed a perfectly reasonable opinion about him (one that many share) and that should be okay. You're also allowed to disagree with that opinion but agree on other things. Stop hero worshiping people and feeling you have to defend their honour.
I think that comedians of every flavour are invaluable in society. Sometimes they act as an amplifier, sometimes a foil, sometimes a mirror to the many facets of social undercurrent. Even when they appear to be agreeing with you, if you listen, I mean really listen, sometimes you can tell that they are actually mocking you and pointing out your own extremism in how you react to others. And sometimes it is that self realisation, that comes from having that nerve exposed (like laughing when you hit your elbow), and a sense of relief that you've been found out, realising that you are laughing because, actually, you are a bit racist or sexist or homophobic. . . And there is nothing wrong with that, because we are all human. Comedians are a release valve for the tension that we all feel in our lives. Its not that they have permission to be curt or crude or offensive in ways that we cannot allow ourselves to be. This is a role which we have assigned to them, to be the voice for our inner tensions, fears, prejudices, and mores, to help us laugh at our own flaws, to shine a light on our darker thoughts. Life is absurd, intentionally so, I think. That's just part of the evolutionary process, and coming to terms with how people allow greed, fear, insecurity and dogma to run or fuel (or foul) their lives. Humour is the governor, that vents just enough steam when things start to spin wildly out of control. Sometimes it goes a little too far, but that too is good, knowing that there is still a line that we are still not rady to accept, because once we accept anything and everything is acceptabley funny, humour loses its true value, ceases to be humour, and instead becomes an essay on humanity . . . on where humanity finally failed and simply became lore.
Joe Rogan is not mainstream and that cannot be forgotten. Pointing to large audiences can be deceptive when considering long term influence. I think there's a chance we blinkered to the fact that the mainstream really does matter and an outsider with a mass following can be irrelevant despite their reach. Any influence is temporary compared to mainstreamed ideas that become part of the constructed narrative. There are examples of massively popular figures who fell outside the mainstream and who, at the time, seemed like the wave of the future... yet they are almost forgotten footnotes now who had no major influence on the direction taken by a culture. It's a bit like the mass appeal of certain historical religious figures who may have eventually been crushed by the mainstream establishment of the Catholic Church. Popular in their day but swept over and forgotten. In the moment it seems like a mass uprising of sentiment but looking back that was clearly not the case. The Reformation and the ensuing conflicts were lasting because these ideas were adopted by the guardians of the mainstream at the time. (Excuse my historical illiteracy if this analogy is nonsensical!)
People taking offence on other people's behalf is a lot older than that. I told an Irish joke to some woke twat in the 80s at Uni and she took offence on as it happens my behalf.
Carl has done some excellent pieces over the years. One on slavery (here: ruclips.net/video/_NoWIZv96KU/видео.html) which is only 23 mins long, is an excellent brief history of the subject, with special focus on how and why, uniquely, English norms do not include slavery. Well worth the watch. I also really appreciate his superb 'Exhortation to the English', three months before the EU Referendum in June 2016. It is only about a quarter of an hour long, and makes extremely good points, which are entirely original, and should definitely be heard by a wider audience. Please do watch it: ruclips.net/video/GtZhyyfREQQ/видео.html So, Simon and you Trig guys, Carl Benjamin is, I believe, a serious thinker and reader. Not on the Scruton level, granted, but not to be treated with disdain. I appreciate the effort he has put in, over the years, to educating people about the flaws of feminism, left wing politics, and how the media is utterly corrupt. I am glad you had him on your show Trigs. Well done. Now listen to his back catalogue! Thanks for your efforts too.
Sound was annoying but it was a great interview! Don't agree with his comments about Sargon but he's fully entitled to them. If everyone liked everyone else this would be a fucking boring world!
I automatically hit like on anything where @16:40 George Carlin is mentioned. Especially where it is unexpected. Serendipitous. Seriously, if you are unfamiliar with Carlin ... check him out. "It's all bullshit folks and it's bad fer ya."
Me too Loafer.... my two favourite " Carlins " are Religion is Bullshit and Saving The Planet. Carlin is so missed, I'd loved to have heard his take on Covid....
That was excellent guys - Someone that understands the internet culture, but doesn't believe it all the way you'd expect, great discussion around comedy - And his response to what should be talked about was something that I hadn't considered at all - Great interview.
I think it is interesting that he is willing to accept Carl has valid points, but also think that because of the points he has his circles (or audience) are de facto stupid is telling. Carl can come across a little pompous, but he has been willing to have discussions with some intellectual titans, including being willing to go on Channel 4 when he knew full well it was going to be a straight out attack on him.
Articulate guy. If you haven't seen it, Simon did one of the funniest British stand-up routines ever. The flow, timing and gags...has them eating out of his hand. ruclips.net/video/XWb5Qx1X3as/видео.html
Rubin has faced terrible abuse from the leftists so for me it's unfair to criticise him as opportunistic and self-serving. The guy has sacrificed a lot and has been great at pushing back against their behaviour.
The likes of Konstantin and Francis are talking about many of the same issues as Sargon and indeed have had Sargon on Triggernometry. The issue I think Simon raises with regards to Sargon, ie "needs to lift his game" can be seen in the form of Konstantin being invited on to MSM and fighting the good fight and Sargon sitting in his house preaching to the choir. Sargon is doing his thing and having success. I do however think there's a fair argument to be had on where the ceiling is in terms of reach and how to be most effective in delivering your message. I personally think Sargon is filling a space that we need to be filled.....its just a small space. (I know how many subscribers etc Sargon has) Thanks guys, great as always....... Yours Chris.
Neal Murfitt The Peace Statue on the seafront is where Brighton ends and Hove begins. It was erected in 1912, two years before the outbreak of WW1. We (the people of Hove) have since refrained from putting up any more peace statues...
He is talking about having acid casually tossed at you. I think that is at least reasonably serious. Certainly depending on the strength of the acid. The fear however is still there, even if it ends up being a milkshake, sans the cement. I think that was the point.
In regards to Mock The Week, the reaction to non-leftists, is annoying. I really enjoy the show, but the bias is there. Geoff Nortcott's jokes were genuinely funny, but the audience wasn't keen. "Things you wouldn't hear on day time TV." "And here, we have a relic from the 70s, -a referendum result that people actually respected." It's a clever joke. It did get some laughs, but it ended with a groan.
I never thought of it before, but Konstantin _does_ look a little bit like a Russian Pakistani Rick Grimes, please in the next episode can you shout "CORAL!!!" a few times :D
So we need another George Carlin? We'll probably have to wait for a while then. Though it will be FAR FAR longer before one would get allowed to speak on the BBC. Or these days pretty much any TV. There is NOTHING remotely reasonable or even handed. Comedy is one of the very easy things to target. Comedy is absolutely moribund, and pretty much as good as dead. Let's not forget. Comedy is one of our strengths and got us through some serious shit. It is a large part of our culture. So of course it must go. We are not allowed a culture.
What drugs are you on and where can I get them? Because you are totally detached from reality, like comedy is some unique thing only in British culture, and if comedy is dead, which it isn't, it is dead because of television formatting and financial incentives, we call that capitalism.
@@Lowlandlord British comedy is, in fact, uniquely British. Watch some, and read about what was happening in the UK when it was being performed. The Industrial Revolution started in the UK, as did modern capitalism, and the huge changes those events caused in that relatively small island needed an outlet. British humor is a national legacy, child, regardless of what you call anything.
@@simonestreeter1518 No it isn't, British people just want to pretend they are unique and special and they have lost everything else, including good music bands. How British comedy is managed is unique, because your entertainment industry is unique and socialized in a way it is not anywhere else in the world. I have been watching British comedy my whole life, and Canadian, and Australian, and American and there is nothing terribly unique about the comedy itself. And not just the popular stuff, small stuff from BBC Scotland, Cardiff and such, I used to pirate every sitcom and standup thing I could find. It is interesting that many of the best comedians are Oxford or Cambridge graduates, but their comedy is not terribly unique, no more unique than one comedian's set is unique from the next, unless the next is someone like George Carlin. Even the Pythons, who I adore, are not so unique, and they got a lot of their stuff off of Frost (whom many of them worked for). Go look at ancient Greek comedy, has many similarities with the interesting British comedies from the Industrial revolution. What is also not unique is that the British think because they did something no one else ever did it and that they are very special, you lot need a golden star sticker or something so you can just feel special about yourself and shut up.
@@Lowlandlord In all seriousness, can you recommend a particular Greek comedy, and a British show that is inspired by it? This is the kind of thing that interests me greatly, and I'd be much obliged. As a side note, I am an American, a New Yorker, actually.
I think something they are missing is that most comedians can get away "leftist comedy" because most of the population of the planet that is relevant to commercial interests is leftist or has leftists beliefs. Most people agree on a lot of these issues and don't agree with most of the right wing stuff, parties aside. People often vote for progressive reforms in referendums but for politicians that are contrary to their interests on these issues (the last American election saw a bunch of this, with referendums on minimum wages and all sort of things, then the state legislature that was voted in vetoed the referendums in many cases, or limited the powers of the incoming governors, etc) so it can make some things cloudy, but polls tend to show that most people are in favour of a lot of this stuff by decent numbers. In the states most people are in favour of a medical care program that covers everyone, gun law reform and reasonable immigration reform (which is not the same as enacting policies that make legal immigration impossible). There are actually right wing comedians out there that do make jokes about right wing things, they don't have very big audiences generally. Dave Rubin is one actually, he does proper sets that rely on audience participation. Most of his audience are libertarian or alt-right or Trump supporters or whatever (he asks them to identify at the start of the show actually, he pokes at the progressives, who generally show up to heckle the poor hypocritical sellout). People drive across state lines to get to them if they are big fans, apparently, but he lives in LA so the fact that he can't fill a smaller comedy club in LA using only the people from the surrounding area (and much of the county does not fit the typical stereotype of being a leftist haven) speaks to how popular his comedic set is. They are also both quite out of touch with the idea that people get offended on other's behalf. This is in no way new, Simon says a decade, they say shorter, I can point to a Canadian comedian (it was either That Canadian Guy or McDonald) that had a joke about Canadians doing exactly that in the '90's. His venue was not small, it was on Just for Laughs which is the world's largest comedy festival and it was televised on put on reruns for decades. Royal Canadian Air Farce used to have jokes about that, apparently sort of a Canadian thing. Their points of view are also terribly subjective, I know lots of "minorities" that don't like someone cashing in on jokes on their culture, I also know a bunch that are happy to have a comedian from the same culture because they get a taste of representation. Buddy of mine from Iraq once told me that white people can't make him laugh, big fan of Russel Peters, I got him to enjoy Danny Bhoy. But to him every white comedian, left or right, is a boring old man, he can't identify with them. I am incredibly leftist, and I do get offended at some things, but an jokes about someones cultural thing is not one of them, I am Scottish/French Canadian and will make fun of every culture on the planet, Scots and French are some of the best targets, the "cheese eating surrender monkey" thing tired and not rooted in reality though, there are better things to make fun of that are true and that have not been done by every idiot that doesn't know history. Just doing a Indian accent is not a terribly good joke either, entertained me when I was 8 but there are better jokes and ones that are not offensive but actually relatable. You can have offensive jokes, but they need to be absurd enough to not be serious and/or relatable to the audience.
I also don't put much faith in their grasp of the audience's responses. How can he tell what ethnic groups the audiences are from, comedians constantly complain that you can't even see the audience in dark rooms when you have those bright lights shining into your face. Did he do polls after the show or something? More likely he thinks and feels a certain way and he generally he would have feed back from family and friends, which is not the same thing as feedback from the audience. Kevin Smith had a bunch of movie-maker friends check out Yoga Hosers (including Quentin Tarantino as I recall), most of them said they enjoyed it. Most people aren't going to respond to a friend by saying it was shit, or by making editing suggestions (which is a good way to piss off a friend, tell them how to do their job better than they are). Yoga Hosers was certainly not as appreciated with the general audience as his artsy, director buddies. And hell, these comedians are not even terribly well known, they might be professionals but they are hardly the most successful comedians, they don't even stand in the same level of success as Simon and Simon is well below your Jo Brands, David Mitchells, Stephen Fryes and such. Simon is the only one that has enough of an audience to have a Wikipedia page, blame it on political biases if you like, but this channel is not even that successful and it has a very clear target audience that falls into a demographic that support the likes of Dave Rubin and Steve Crowder, so the audience exists (as I argue not in huge numbers, but they pretty much all have access to the internet so they are available), they just aren't following these guys, so I take their understanding of the comedic world with a grain of salt, just like I wouldn't take advice from myself on a number of topics that I know I am middling at.
Kisin should go to one of those shows that he's required to not tell any offensive jokes and do a bunch of "knock, knock" jokes that 7 year olds may tell. dumb it down to their childish level
I can't recommend Kindly Inquisitors: New Attacks on Free Thought (2011 Ed) enough. Rauch descusses the international creep of laws in the 1990's, the foundation of scientific thinking itself, the evrlotiom and corruption of the LGBT movement.. All summed in 350 pages. If I get a chance for a brief chat with Mr Evans as a comic myself, I'll give him my copy.
I was surprised Simon mentioned recent Internet phenomena like Gamergate and Sargon, but there's the rub: he knows *something* happened, but he's obviously clueless or wrong about the background and details. Let's set the table by explaining who Labour MP Jess Phillips is. In 2018 when a fellow MP suggested men's issues be taken up in Parliament, this is how Jess Phillips responded ruclips.net/video/iRWUsn4yyJI/видео.html. You can look for her appearances on Question Time to see more of the same; she's boorish and condescending. in 2016, Sargon makes a This Week in Stupid video (since taken down by YT). Around the 17:00 mark, he quotes an article in which Jess Phillips says, "People talking about raping me isn’t fun but has become somewhat par for the course." So Sargon responds, "Well, I'll tell you what Jess, I think that's terrible, and you know, I wouldn't even rape you." On Twitter, Sargon touts his video with a tweet (since removed by Twitter) saying "I wouldn't even rape you" without the context of the video, and he tags Jess Phillips in it. Jess then retweets a discussion there, saying "Jut some fellas mulling over how offensive or not it is to say that they wouldn't rape me." Sargon makes another video, entitled "A Feminist Horror Movie," that mocks Philips further while repeatedly stressing that his remark - "I wouldn't even rape you" - is intentionally and explicitly not a threat of violence. Philips initially downplays the incident but then calls on Twitter to censor a deluge of non-threats of violence she has received www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/by-ignoring-the-thousands-of-rape-threats-sent-to-me-twitter-is/ . Does anyone think Simon Evans correctly interpreted or was even aware of these facts? Did he accurately describe events and how they occurred? The point is Simon was clueless but still offered his opinion, and that's why we shouldn't blithely listen to celebrities or comedians pontificate on topics they "know nothing about."
I have a level of bias with Jo Brand. I have never liked her or found her funny. The usual output was always bitter, hateful stuff. So it was very easy to find her “battery acid” thing as a rubbish joke, as well as very stupid. I got a bit fed up with such a “free speech” thing that you *must* find Carl Benjamin and Mark Meechan funny, and if you don’t, you are a heretic to the cause. The fact is, they were both rubbish (as far as I'm concerned) at a stand up attempt. Just give me good jokes - not a “cause”. I don't laugh to order. I grew up with Derek and Clive, so hardly anything shocks me, if it is done well. Some of which has come along has not been done or delivered well. Maybe Benjamin and Meechan will improve over a long period of time, but don’t ask me to guffaw when there is nothing there.
I think the carl benjamin 'rape joke' was actually quite funny because its true and spoke about a wider issue whereas although I haven't heard the brand battery acid joke in context I cannot for the life of me see how it would be funny, its just a clumsy hateful thing to say that isn't the least bit edgy given the platform of where it was said.
@@chatteyj The 'not rape' joke seems legitimate satire to me as a general response to the type of hateful feminists who spout the ' all men are rapists' dogma. Just a bit of a reality check for them.
@@harnois75 Reality check: rape is not funny, not if it is a young girl, not if it is an old woman. It is not funny because the young girl and the old woman have both probably been raped or assaulted in some way. The battery acid thing is clearly a joke because it if frankly unrealistic for most people in modern society. Jo also constantly jokes about killing her husband, or having killed him, that is also not true, it is absurd, thus the humour. Rape is not funny because it is fucking true, someone is being raped right now, thousands are. When you actually talk to women and find out about the experiences they have had it is shocking and alarming and there is a part that is angry and wonders why the police didn't do anything. There is shame, but there are also people who think women deserve to be raped, or that if they are coerced into it it is not rape. There is this horrible story I read years ago, of a high school girl being raped at a party. She was underage and drunk to the point of being unconscious, which fits both what most people consider rape and what Ohio, Minnesota or whatever crappy state it was' definition of rape, but there are still some people that would say that it was consensual and that regret and consent are not the same thing. Most people would not argue that it is appropriate to drop the a girl off on her front lawn at 2 am, naked, in the snow and unconscious still. They found her in the morning, with some frostbite. When it was reported to the police her classmates sided with the rapist. Her family was driven out of town, while they were trying to sell the house it was burned down. The police did nothing, charges were dropped and no investigation seems to have every been done for the arson, the insurance company has done more than the police. It was apparently in Missouri (which actually is the state with the highest rate of rapes per capita actually, you want to get raped, leave New York and go to the mid west. Want to get shot or mugged, go to New York, funny system the Americans have) and her name is Daisy Coleman. They also describe how there were over a dozen other victims from the same boys, but how no one reported it because of fear of being vilified in the same way she was, literally being driven out of town. Most women have suffered this to some degree, and have chosen the same path as the dozen anonymous women, they don't report it, but they do have some experience that leads into that, so most rape jokes directed at real women are actually probably directed at actual victims. On the other hand Jo Brand is not a member of the mafia and as far as I know Two-Face is only in the fucking comics.
@@Lowlandlord Nobody said rape was funny. Get over yourself. No instance of actual rape is funny, yet Jess Phillips sneers at the highest rape figures in the UK, those that take place within prisons. If sending some derision her way wakes her up to facts beyond those that suit her agenda then maybe it's the only way to open her eyes to things she apparently finds impossible to believe. Oh, and if you think that the battery acid assault is unrealistic, take a look at what Antifa has been concocting in their 'milkshake' protests and consider the rise of the ever more hysterical 'rebels without a clue' that march at every opportunity and who look to media prominent left wingers for validation. Jo Brand's joke is far more inciting in the current climate than a 'non-rape' jibe.
This guy is amazing. Incredibly erudite, thoughtful and balanced. Cracking interview guys 👍
Simon is such a pleasure to listen to that I’m listening to this again two years later. He’s brilliant on GB News, but I hope that he didn’t inadvertently ‘cancel’ himself last night with his ‘people of colour’ joke, even though it was spot on.
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"We appreciate the audio isn't at it's best" No sound technician, I gather.
I'm a big fan of Carl Benjamin's work but I think *Simon Evan's comments here are fair* and non hysterical. Sargon would probably take it as fair criticism from an honest actor and he would definitely have a conversation with Simon Evans! It's interesting that Simon doesn't have the context for the "misjudged rape joke". The point is powerful people such as Jess Phillips are working hard to censor British citizens, further criminalise our free expression and are sometimes open chauvinists. There was no real push back on these censors who use claims of "online threats" to justify censorship. The point is he made the most offensive *non-threat* he could in order to highlight this trick and make them notice. The media dutifully presented mean comments as threats and others used it to justify censorship with politicians calling on social media to "do more".
Notice how the context is often excluded and sometimes the supposedly offensive material isn't even shown at all by the media so the public cannot make up their own minds. It's usually stripped of all context and even tone, perhaps a mere extract of a quote read in a serious tone. The equivalent might be if Jess Phillips' "knifing Corbyn in the front" comments were brought up by every media personality that interviewed her and politicians and the media class discussed barring her from elections and prosecuting her for terroristic threats.
In a sensible world, a man who garners 1m subscribers on a political commentary channel might expect to have his views reflected in the mainstream media every now and again. Yet whenever issues of feminism or censorship come up there seems to be a wall of relative agreement despite the narrow and orthodox media position being a tiny minority view in the country. You might get someone from spiked, Ella Whelan, or you might get Kate Andrews presenting the inner party somewhat acceptable opinion which is then ignored: "We listened to the so called other side and now we can continue apace with our identitarian and censorious policies".
You really have to try and step outside of the bubble of so called acceptable opinion to try to make objective comparisons of the awful things said and policies pursued by some people within the mainstream directed at those on the edges or outside. Compare that to the reaction to comments made by those on the outside with no actual authority and who are deplatformed and prosecuted, sometimes at the behest of what amounts to an "inner party".
Well put
Thank you. Couldn't have put this more eloquently.
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@Karson Conor Instablaster ;)
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I’m an American so I am ignorant of the politics of the UK. That being said, I really enjoy this podcast and thankful that I stumbled upon it. Learn something new everyday. Thanks guys!! ✌️
Terrific interview. Always detected a strong streak of rebelliousness hearing him on the radio but didn't realise how sound he is. Erudite, eloquent, highly intelligent and perceptive and not scared of calling people out. First rate show. So glad he called Jo Brand out over Carol Thatcher. And really pleased he finally said what any sentient being realises about Carl Benjamin (setting himself on a pedestal when he's surrounds himself with pygmies). He wasn't entirely accurate about Dave Rubin, however.
Rubin's not tired of what he does -- he's just painstakingly written a book. Rubin's a decent guy who is simply not very well educated and not capable of convincing high-brow discussion. He's somehow ended up surrounded by serious intellectuals from the IDW and seems constantly trying to convince himself and everyone else that he's part of the IDW gang (hence writing the book). Yet when he is in a group discussion he simply shuts up as he's over his head.
Would be much easier if he just admitted he's the host of the show who brings everyone together in his studio. Nothing more, nothing less. End of the day, I'd rather have the money making show with my name on it. Best role of all.
I always think you're going to say, "we don't PRETEND to be the experts, we ARE the experts".
How come it's only comedian's that are entitled to free speech? Who is the arbiter of who's a comedian? 😳
I'm funny. I know I'm funny. I should be allowed to "push the envelope" of free speech.
In all seriousness though, this is a good question. I've heard it a lot recently that "comedians" should have this special privilege, and for the rest of us, discovering who is considered a comedian is important to understanding whose speech we should defend, or not, as the case may be.
@@danielshagman I've even heard the phrase " aye but he's not exactly a Bill Burr or that" class politics coming from the left nowadays 😣
Sadly, the left wing are the arbiters.
How about we can all say what we want regardless if we're funny or not?
edilcanidal - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Now that IS funny
Clearly doesn't know that much about Carl Benjamin or the people he has talked to - Jordan B Peterson, Erin Pizzey, Christina Hoff Somers, numerous EU politicians etc etc. Raise your game Sargon? Really? Well that's going to be difficult when it's already raised so far above 99% of politicians.
"Raise your game Sargon!" -Shouted from the bottom of a pit.
We don't know how long ago he watched Sargon.
I think Sargon has perceptibly upped his game over the last 3 years.
He sounded like a pompous ass when he said that. He also said that Joe Rogan challenges his guests ... yeh ... sometimes. He's certainly not consistent on that. Dave Rubin is consistent with all of his interviews. Joe can be hostile or a little lamb depending on his monthly cycle or if he's interviewing one of his mates. Also, he said only black comedians can get away with jokes about sexual dynamics. Bill Burr has a Gold Digging Whores skit. It's hilarious. Pretty white to me.
If this guy thinks he's intelligent enough to judge Carl Benjamin ... he truly is a great comedian.
Who needs to klnow much, he's an arrogant fucking wanker, and the list of the great and the good? peterson? the lobster man??? do me a favour.
Some of these comments. lol Evans is extremely perceptive, insightful and intelligent and was in no way attempting to slander Benjamin. If you can't see the irony of you lot being triggered by a decent, well-meaning critique..... well. Benjamin does need to up his game. And he needs to move out of his comfort zone of fawning fans who are easily impressed with pseudo-intellectualism and actually engage with real figures in the IDW.
This is awesome. Love Simon as a comic and it's cool to see him with his finger on the pulse.
"Sting has let himself go a bit" was what I was thinking at first
I concur, Thomas Sowell is a living legend.
This is exactly how I felt about the Jo Brand milkshake/battery acid joke. When battery acid attacks are commonplace this is not a good joke.
30 years ago, when i was a very young feminist (lol) Jo Brand was funny to me....then, i grew up.
She's mastered the art of delivering hatespeech under the guise of humour. Amongst most normal folk she's almost certainly viewed as a bad loser with a massive chip on her shoulder.
Always been a big fan of Simon and his life shows are brilliant, his comment about Thomas Sowell is spot on, one of the great minds of our time. Good work, shame about the mic noise.
Another interesting interview lads, you guys are doing great work. You will soon be at 100,000 subs.
I go to the Fringe every year and my last gig is always Simon Evans. Very much a sorbet. He is very fair and balanced as were his comments about Karl Benjamin. His comments about Brand and being allowed to say that but the BBC should have cut it was excellent and made me think.
Rigsby has let himself go.
My favourite comment of the day! haha
But not original as he makes that joke about himself in his stand up.
Sargon didn't say it directly to her.
The media showed it to her & asked her if she was offended.
First she said that she didn't care & when the media wouldn't let it go,
she suddenly was offended.
She realized that she could use that.
Right wing will take the piss out of everything. Left wing only joke about right wing people or won't joke about a list of things. If comedy has boundaries then it's not comedy
Sargon is a decent man, and almost everything he says is spot on.
Why won't you have Alastair Williams on? He's basically what you've been talking about - a comedian who's lost his job because of his political leaning to the right. Is it true you don't want him on your show?
Perhaps they will, I hope they will! I'm glad you've brought up Alastair's name, saves me doing it this time around.
@@davidbrinnen Have you been following his live stream that's he's just started doing daily? It's so nice to be able to listen and then chat with like minded people in this PC hell we are currently living through.
No, that is not true. What makes you think we don't want him on the show?
@cosmic moth Yep, but currently both Alistair and Konstantin are in Edinburgh doing their shows so we can't record anything for a while.
@@gemininz48 Aye, I do when I can, work permitting.
As Malcolm Muggeridge wrote, " Those who do not obey the BBC's sheepdog bark, get excluded from the flock"
I have to admit Jo Brands being hoisted by her own petard is the funniest thing that's happened in years. What goes around...
Context is everything, whether it's a dry leftwing comedian, or a hitler-saluting pug.
"Hoist" is already past tense. No idea what "hoisted" is, unless just "lifted up". But that's not what petards do.
@@ericminchthat makes sense. I will say "hoist" , next time Jo suggests acid attacks.
He seems to think that the opposite of PC culture humour, or what he says is right wing humour, is old Jim Davidson jokes or 'rugby club' humour. I don't think this is what anyone is calling for and makes me think he is has lost sight of where the edge in the culture war is. What we need is a comedian who will explode the cognitive traps of PC culture and its inherent paradoxes/hypocrisy. I would agree that great comedy is about cruelty and can reveal the audiences unknowing complicity in this cruelty/hypocrisy. Norm MacDonald has always been great at this and was punished for it. Alistair Williams is also a current comedian whose work has dried up for questioning the orthodoxy.
Norm was punished? Norm has been terribly successful, the only time he was ever punished was for being not funny, in a funny sort of way, which lots of people (including the former head of NBC) don't really get. Telling a bad joke and getting a laugh because you explain the joke, not because of the joke itself is a typical example, one that Conan constantly makes fun of. Always reminds me of Police Squad!, with Leslie Nielson. Did like half a season, hilarious show, was canceled because "the viewer had to watch it in order to appreciate it". That quote sounds like nonsense, but it comes from an executive that is responsible for cutting the show and it refers to the style of humour, you need to watch every scene to understand the jokes. If you don't pay attention you miss him screaming as if acid was thrown in his face when she throws a wig at him. Norm continues to be popular, financially successful and to have both his own program and to show up on programs belonging to other people, I can't imagine how you could describe him as being punished for criticizing "PC culture".
There are plenty of people from the left that have spoken out on "PC culture", but on the absurd parts of it, not on it as a whole. Stephen Fry has done it repeatedly, and paid legal fees for people that got into trouble because of it, he is exceptionally leftist in most regards. "PC culture" is not itself an evil thing, but if taken too far (which lets face it, politicians and bureaucrats are going to do because their decision making process is fed to them by people that read polls) it can be. What inherent paradoxes/hypocrisies are there in not being offensive to most of the people I know that are not also white males? Don't call my friend from Zimbabwe anything racist, don't assume women only exist for my gratification and don't assume that they dress in a way I find appealing for anyone other than themselves, those are kind of the simple "evils" of PC culture that we frankly need, because in addition to working with women who want to wear short shorts in 30+ Celsius weather and people of different races I also work with an old South African that has defended apartheid to me (told me they were better off and that no one was oppressed), quotes "facts" he has heard off of Fox that are the literal opposite of the truth. I used to work with a second South African, but he quit when the person promoted to be his new manager was an Indian, that spoke better English than him and was better at his job than him. Certainly less of a lazy fuck. The parts of PC culture we need are to keep a muzzle on old racists, who are likely never to go away completely. Lets us be civil, frankly it is the reason I don't call either of those Afrikaners racist, lying ass-holes every-time I see them (the one still comes by on occasion).
@cosmic moth From what I have seen of Alistair he seems funny enough, but he's nothing special. His jokes don't really make sense, and jokes don't really need to but there is a balance between being absurdist and realistic. If your joke relies on a premise that cannot suspend disbelief, people will question the joke in their heads instead of laughing at it. Him making fun of Sadiq Khan for instance, okay Sadiq should probably try to lower stabbings, I think stabbings are looked on negatively by both us leftists and the right-wing, that joke works. But then saying no-one cares about Sadiq's opinion of Trump is very demonstrably untrue, their were demonstrations that pretty clearly show that. Saying a politician was not elected to interact with other politicians in the field of politics is fucking ignorant, and then the joke isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it is a political commentary. Might as well say no one hired Alexander Lacazette to kick a ball around. And because it is not really funny and I can think for myself I can also start to think about the other things he is saying and reason that Sadiq doing something about knife crimes and his opinion of Trump are not related to each other, criticizing Trump does nothing one way or the other for knife crimes, he can do both, arguably what he WAS elected for was to do both, and knowing how that works, he is. He can't just go out and personally stop knife crimes, the extent of his power is to give more resources to the police and hope they institute policies that help reduce knife crime. Sometimes the brass in the police are idiots and simply do token things that don't really accomplish anything. The Burger King thing is kind of funny, it is more absurdist so I can forget that Europe in no way resembles a Burger King and enjoy most of the joke without listening to the political commentary in it, but it is still there and it does start to take away from the joke. For one thing, you need a deal for Brexit because it is cheaper to leave with a deal than it will be to leave without one. As an example, there is a ton of British money in the EU from trade deals that have been in place for years, if you leave without a deal a lot of that money gets left behind, or suddenly becomes subject to taxes and things it was exempt from before, but will not be any longer. It will in all likely hood Ireland a mess, again. For another 6/10 being in favour or leaving is a slight exaggeration during the actual voting (51.9% and 60% are not really the same numbers), most indications are that those numbers have reversed since everyone has found out what a cock-up it is and what the actual ramifications are.
@@Lowlandlord Okay I will try to deal with these briefly.
First, you are clearly not aware of Norm MacDonald's career. He is known as one of the most fearless comedians, by comedians, and was fired and blacklisted from networks for refusing to stop making jokes about certain celebrities and their hypocrisy. His roast of Bill Clinton at the Press Club dinner is a perfect example, he was ruthless and got laughs. Here are a few examples ruclips.net/video/3mtfa0iyeM0/видео.html. He has always been critical of PC culture and hypocrisy where he sees it and even at cost to himself. The reason he maintained a career was due to other comedians seeing how great he was and supporting him, David Letterman being one.
Second, "There are plenty of people from the left that have spoken out on "PC culture", nobody said there weren't.
Third, "What inherent paradoxes/hypocrisies are there in not being offensive to most of the people I know that are not also white males?", only you are asking that question. That is certainly not what I asked for. What you are describing is civility. Political Correctness is not the same thing, it is an ideology that seeks to control speech, action and thought in a very authoritarian and coercive manner. It has a great number of logical flaws and hypocritical viewpoints, many of which have been outlined by guests on this channel if you watch the backlog.
Fourth, your anecdotes bear no relation to my comment, but we can agree that being civil is a good thing.
Lastly, can I politely suggest that you reread your comments before posting. They would benefit from better punctuation and less stream of consciousness. Speaking is not the same as writing.
@@GGTutor1 So yeah, with in the year he was "blacklisted" from SNL he was in two movies with SNL people (one of which he wrote and starred in, there is some argument over the ads on the network for the one movie, but then Norm did start a personal attack on the head of the network before hand, which again, he doesn't even believe in anymore). The next year he was in two more movies, plus he was on the show he was "blacklisted" from, plus he got his own show that lasted three seasons.
His career was doing better when he was "blacklisted" than in in the nine previous years, I wish I got blacklisted like that.
Also, as an aside, it is really annoying reading his statements because he sounds like a fucking teenage valley girl, like, um, like, like. He says like a lot. Comes up as more congenial when he is speaking, and it suits his very spartan, minimalist comedic style (many of his so called OJ jokes are not even jokes, he just connected OJ to someone that murdered a guy and then said "Because OJ murdered a guy").
I would have been here earlier, but I was watching Russ Abbott videos
Just because you want to leer at Bella Emberg . Sick ,I call it . hihiih
SIMON: You're a brilliant comedian, too! Heard you on 'LIVE AT THE APOLLO'. Unlike the wretched JO BRAND (who I used to love to watch!) your are consistent, and do not VIRTUE-SIGNAL, that YOUR particular political views define the morally virtuous! For the two incidents you cite, I now switch off when JO BRAND appears. She has some grovelling to do, before that situation changes; which could be difficult for her to execute for physical reasons! Your point on what constitutes ACTUAL 'heresy' on the BBC these days is well made. BRAND doesn't 'transgress': but, then, neither does IAN HISLOP. Both are thoroughgoing, paid-up, members of the media ESTABLISHMENT! Where you err is in trying to second-guess the reasons so many of us (the majority!) voted to come out of the European Union. Your reasons were those of 'BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE-MAN'. Over 17 million people, all voting for the same reason? Come off it! You praise people for their 'intellect' frequently. Your own is high; so don'e go down that road.
If you're planning on keeping this seating arrangement in the studio please add a boom mic on the future equipment list if it's not there already. Keep up the good work guys!
Second that. Evans' mic noise was enervating.
@@barkebaat It was, as a retired soundman myself a clip on mic wouldn't have been my choice to use with an expressive interviewee who constantly moves his arms around to make his point. A boom stand mic would have been far better. I kept expecting a break in the interview to replace the clip on and now understand why it wasn't.... no sound tech..
I like Joe Rogan's show. The variety and scope of his guests are a rare thing. He has no issue talking to people he disagrees with and call out any bullshit.
What a great bloke.
Bit of a normie take on things tbh esp the Sargon, gamergate, alt right bit. He's not on the razors edge of things but a decent enough discussion nonetheless.
It had a bit of "a little information is a dangerous thing " about it
I don't know, it was nice to hear a slightly different view. He's not a full-on normie, but he's not full-on Sargon either. I thought his take about Gamergate being the origin of all the Me-Too/SJW/Woke stuff was interesting.
That awkward moment when the host had to remind him that Sargon had been on their show, too.
To be fair, his take on Dave Rubin was spot on though.
I found it quite funny, considering how Carl is always getting stick for being a boomer, to hear a REAL boomer take on Carl.
10:20 Konstantin - as I understand it, Carl could not make his joke directly to Jess because she already had him blocked on twitter. Does that change your opinion?
It was an @ whether he was blocked or not, so it was still directed and deliberate. Tricky one.
@@philwatts True, hence my question. Subsequent events have in my view justified the making of this joke, given how it has exposed the media bias. But at the outset, I don't think I'd have been overly keen to defend the making of this joke. It is only with the benefit of hindsight and how it has revealed the workings of the MSM that the value of it can be argued. So yes, it's altogether tricky. It could be argued that Carl had a clearer vision of what the consequences of his joke would be or maybe he was just lucky? Either way, he has gathered a significant number of supporters and defenders as a result. Whichever way you slice it, it had an effect, which is more than can be said for my numerous letter to my own MP.
@@davidbrinnen What it revealed to you was the point of the joke. Some people take non threat mean comments and classify them as "threats and harassment" in order to justify censorship and criminalisation. The media played their role in this. Carl knew this because the exact same thing happened during GamerGate.
A good example is a young man made an online "game" where you can punch an image of prominent feminist in the video games industry by clicking as she gets bloodied and bruised. I believe he had previously made one of George Bush or someone else. It's a common thing and you see games like this promoted on twitter where you can kill Trump in various gruesome ways. But with the game directed at the feminist it became a scandal and I don't quite recall but the guy who made it was actually harassed and may have lost his job. Basically, they are allowed to joke about killing you and make violent games about dissident figures but if you do the same then they will destroy you. They will claim it is sexism and harassment etc...
The point is that they don't actually care about "threats and harassment", it's simply a power play: When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
The worst part is that they are the ones with institutional power and yet they still play the victims.
@@Saddamuel Yes, it was gamer gate that really first awakened me to the idea that something iffy was going on in the whole of the establishment media. The puzzle really is, what is the best way to wake up the normies and not have them panic and act irrationally and in a way that would be counter productive?
@@davidbrinnen That's a very responsible take. I have no idea what to do. Sargon seems to think the Brexit Party is now relatively establishment aligned in many respects. But it could be that Peter Hitchens is right and the Conservative, and consequently the Labour party, both need to be effectively smashed. Perhaps the Brexit Party is a route to that. It all seems too big but what's the source? Is it the universities?
I think defunding universities would do the job but that's more like a final move. If the Conservative government of 2015 were truly "right wing", they would have taken advantage of their surprise victory and done this or started the process. When I say "defund", I mean pull all student loans from nonsense subjects, divert this to science, medicine and direct technical training. Encourage students to go straight into work and support them in doing so - the spending on universities could go towards a massive tax cut and first house support for under 25s who don't go to university. Have a plan and a definition of "political" subjects. Do not ban them, but refuse to fund them on the basis that it's government support for political activism.
I'd also defund all government linked diversity schemes and divert the money to people you cannot criticise. Spend the money directly on the poorest in society and frame it as helping the genuinely marginalized instead of the middle class moaners.
To be fair, it took me a while to warm to Sargon. His content was always a good hook but I initially found him false. I was wrong.
Great interview but he is completely wrong about Joe Rogan. Mr Rogan sold out a long time ago. He has many advertisers, deals with Netflix, the UFC, RUclips and now Spotify. He has been self censoring for years to serve his masters. He is also a mirror for whoever is on his show. He changes his views daily and does not push his guests at all, unless they criticise bowhunting, eating meat, flotation tanks, kettlebells or have the wrong opinion on drug taking.
Consider the possibility that people like Sargon might provide space for Libertarian minded or "right wing" comedians to express more of their politics on shows like Mock the Week. Without people like Sargon, if not Carl Benjamin himself, would we be seeing shows like Triggernometry or comedians speaking about the issues of bias? If people like Sargon had kept schtum and not built up massive audiences to show this stuff is popular, would we just be ignoring these issues?
Sometimes you need genuinely controversial figures. I look at the way Farage has done this. For years he was called a racist and he still is, but he's such a force of nature that he made room for people to express reasonable opinions that are not at all bigoted. He exposed the years of media smears I had fallen for and I resent the corporate press and the BBC for pulling the wool over my eyes. My own father is a Conservative and he told me he thought Farage was a racist and he didn't like him. But the crazy thing is that my father has said far worse and more crass things than I can imagine Farage saying.
Nice of him to denigrate the intelligence of extreme metal fans, I wonder how many of those people he actually knows or has conversed with to formulate that generalisation.
The reason why we won't have a Bill Burr come out of the UK is that we don't have free speech and too many people don't understand what a joke is
Just a nitpick but as Simon is very handsy you can hear his mic scraping against his clothes and it's a tad bit annoying!
Joe Rogan started his podcast with a co host. Brian Redban. Everyone hated him except for me, because he reminded me of the silly immature kids I knew in middle school. Since 2012, Joe has created space between himself and redban, allowing them to pursue their separate destinies without one hindering the other. This has been universally good for Joe Rogan. Konstantin Kisin needs to do the same. Half his guests are mediocre, but his personality carries it through. His co host does the opposite. He takes a mediocre interview and makes it unwatchable with his boring predictability. This chubby soy boy sjw cant mask his bias. You know exactly what hes going to say before he says it, and you find yourself hitting that "l" button just to get to the point that you already knew. Triggernometry is a world class podcast with an extremely low subscriber count because half the show is unbearable.
Believe it was Patrice O'Neal that said you might not like a joke, but you have to protect the attempt to make a joke.
Carl has been on the street talking to the people, actual people. The man has not been hiding in his room. I think this comedian needs to have a public chat with Carl and see who is more informed.
It wouldn't even be confrontational because Simon seems like an honest actor.
You people are as defensive as the snowflakes you claim to hate.
He's seen a bit of SoA, formed a perfectly reasonable opinion about him (one that many share) and that should be okay. You're also allowed to disagree with that opinion but agree on other things.
Stop hero worshiping people and feeling you have to defend their honour.
I think that comedians of every flavour are invaluable in society. Sometimes they act as an amplifier, sometimes a foil, sometimes a mirror to the many facets of social undercurrent. Even when they appear to be agreeing with you, if you listen, I mean really listen, sometimes you can tell that they are actually mocking you and pointing out your own extremism in how you react to others. And sometimes it is that self realisation, that comes from having that nerve exposed (like laughing when you hit your elbow), and a sense of relief that you've been found out, realising that you are laughing because, actually, you are a bit racist or sexist or homophobic. . . And there is nothing wrong with that, because we are all human.
Comedians are a release valve for the tension that we all feel in our lives. Its not that they have permission to be curt or crude or offensive in ways that we cannot allow ourselves to be. This is a role which we have assigned to them, to be the voice for our inner tensions, fears, prejudices, and mores, to help us laugh at our own flaws, to shine a light on our darker thoughts.
Life is absurd, intentionally so, I think. That's just part of the evolutionary process, and coming to terms with how people allow greed, fear, insecurity and dogma to run or fuel (or foul) their lives. Humour is the governor, that vents just enough steam when things start to spin wildly out of control. Sometimes it goes a little too far, but that too is good, knowing that there is still a line that we are still not rady to accept, because once we accept anything and everything is acceptabley funny, humour loses its true value, ceases to be humour, and instead becomes an essay on humanity . . . on where humanity finally failed and simply became lore.
Joe Rogan is not mainstream and that cannot be forgotten. Pointing to large audiences can be deceptive when considering long term influence. I think there's a chance we blinkered to the fact that the mainstream really does matter and an outsider with a mass following can be irrelevant despite their reach. Any influence is temporary compared to mainstreamed ideas that become part of the constructed narrative. There are examples of massively popular figures who fell outside the mainstream and who, at the time, seemed like the wave of the future... yet they are almost forgotten footnotes now who had no major influence on the direction taken by a culture.
It's a bit like the mass appeal of certain historical religious figures who may have eventually been crushed by the mainstream establishment of the Catholic Church. Popular in their day but swept over and forgotten. In the moment it seems like a mass uprising of sentiment but looking back that was clearly not the case. The Reformation and the ensuing conflicts were lasting because these ideas were adopted by the guardians of the mainstream at the time. (Excuse my historical illiteracy if this analogy is nonsensical!)
Great convo gents 👍🏻
If you're a fan of Billy boy you need to check out Patrice O'Neal, there's a reason Bill does his memorial gig every year.
Thanks lads
People taking offence on other people's behalf is a lot older than that. I told an Irish joke to some woke twat in the 80s at Uni and she took offence on as it happens my behalf.
Alistair Williams has the potential to be a British Bill Burr.
A good and important conversation.
Carl has done some excellent pieces over the years. One on slavery (here: ruclips.net/video/_NoWIZv96KU/видео.html) which is only 23 mins long, is an excellent brief history of the subject, with special focus on how and why, uniquely, English norms do not include slavery. Well worth the watch.
I also really appreciate his superb 'Exhortation to the English', three months before the EU Referendum in June 2016. It is only about a quarter of an hour long, and makes extremely good points, which are entirely original, and should definitely be heard by a wider audience. Please do watch it: ruclips.net/video/GtZhyyfREQQ/видео.html
So, Simon and you Trig guys, Carl Benjamin is, I believe, a serious thinker and reader. Not on the Scruton level, granted, but not to be treated with disdain. I appreciate the effort he has put in, over the years, to educating people about the flaws of feminism, left wing politics, and how the media is utterly corrupt. I am glad you had him on your show Trigs. Well done. Now listen to his back catalogue!
Thanks for your efforts too.
Sound was annoying but it was a great interview!
Don't agree with his comments about Sargon but he's fully entitled to them. If everyone liked everyone else this would be a fucking boring world!
Try turning down Francis mike. His loud laugh is hard on my ears I’m wearing earbuds at the gym
Jim Cotta Agree!!
Simon Evans is fab! Marion
You really should have him back, but do something about that ligthing; we can bloody well see his eyes!
Two knife slits in his face, like pissholes in the snow.... Simon's heard them all he said...
Excellent interview … but please fix the mic issues, as it detracts badly from the show.
Why do men check if it's okay to laugh first? Every man knowns, yet it's a total mystery xD
I automatically hit like on anything where @16:40 George Carlin is mentioned. Especially where it is unexpected. Serendipitous. Seriously, if you are unfamiliar with Carlin ... check him out. "It's all bullshit folks and it's bad fer ya."
Me too Loafer.... my two favourite " Carlins " are Religion is Bullshit and Saving The Planet. Carlin is so missed, I'd loved to have heard his take on Covid....
@@jamesappleton7390 Check out "fear of germs."
@@loafersheffield will do,,,
I had seen it before Loafer but thanks
One of my favourite comics, & clearly so much smarter than most!
That was excellent guys - Someone that understands the internet culture, but doesn't believe it all the way you'd expect, great discussion around comedy - And his response to what should be talked about was something that I hadn't considered at all - Great interview.
I think it is interesting that he is willing to accept Carl has valid points, but also think that because of the points he has his circles (or audience) are de facto stupid is telling. Carl can come across a little pompous, but he has been willing to have discussions with some intellectual titans, including being willing to go on Channel 4 when he knew full well it was going to be a straight out attack on him.
Articulate guy. If you haven't seen it, Simon did one of the funniest British stand-up routines ever. The flow, timing and gags...has them eating out of his hand. ruclips.net/video/XWb5Qx1X3as/видео.html
Rubin has faced terrible abuse from the leftists so for me it's unfair to criticise him as opportunistic and self-serving.
The guy has sacrificed a lot and has been great at pushing back against their behaviour.
I comment and it may come across as whinging because it is... but this is brilliant.
The likes of Konstantin and Francis are talking about many of the same issues as Sargon and indeed have had Sargon on Triggernometry. The issue I think Simon raises with regards to Sargon, ie "needs to lift his game" can be seen in the form of Konstantin being invited on to MSM and fighting the good fight and Sargon sitting in his house preaching to the choir.
Sargon is doing his thing and having success. I do however think there's a fair argument to be had on where the ceiling is in terms of reach and how to be most effective in delivering your message.
I personally think Sargon is filling a space that we need to be filled.....its just a small space. (I know how many subscribers etc Sargon has)
Thanks guys, great as always.......
Yours
Chris.
Great show, would like to see him talk to Sargon.
love these two
Hove? Hove? No, as everyone knows it is Hove actually.... ;)
@Neal Murfitt Like it!
Neal Murfitt The Peace Statue on the seafront is where Brighton ends and Hove begins. It was erected in 1912, two years before the outbreak of WW1. We (the people of Hove) have since refrained from putting up any more peace statues...
@@MrArtlab Probably for the best. Have you considered a war statue instead to see if fate is just bloody minded or would that be tempting fate?
3 minutes in and quote of the interview...People live in genuine fear of being attacked by something more serious.
Its 2019 FFS!!
He is talking about having acid casually tossed at you.
I think that is at least reasonably serious. Certainly depending on the strength of the acid.
The fear however is still there, even if it ends up being a milkshake, sans the cement.
I think that was the point.
If someone threw water on me in London... yeah, I’d be worried for a few seconds.
Yes that’s the point I’m trying to make....how the hell in 2019 Britain did we become worried about acid attacks!
@@thomasadams3082 Fuck off, who cares? At least we have a fantastic range of restaurants now.
Brilliant interview guys. 👍
Shame about the mic.
'Context is everything' says the man ignorant of the context of his own criticism, oh the irony
Michael McIntyre has let himself go 🐻
Its not Michael McIntyre its Simon evans.
@@chatteyj ...... How very dare you
Where would Monty Python be today?
In regards to Mock The Week, the reaction to non-leftists, is annoying. I really enjoy the show, but the bias is there.
Geoff Nortcott's jokes were genuinely funny, but the audience wasn't keen.
"Things you wouldn't hear on day time TV."
"And here, we have a relic from the 70s, -a referendum result that people actually respected."
It's a clever joke. It did get some laughs, but it ended with a groan.
The last comment on aging population is as relevant as ever. More so!!! We need a recipe for retirement productivity.
I never thought of it before, but Konstantin _does_ look a little bit like a Russian Pakistani Rick Grimes, please in the next episode can you shout "CORAL!!!" a few times :D
Yes, I was well aware of this moral relativism some 15-17 years ago. It just seems to have really gathered steam the last 10 or so years.
It's a rape joke in the most superficial way. He made a statement of non intent. Namely that he wouldn't commit a crime.
So we need another George Carlin? We'll probably have to wait for a while then.
Though it will be FAR FAR longer before one would get allowed to speak on the BBC. Or these days pretty much any TV. There is NOTHING remotely reasonable or even handed. Comedy is one of the very easy things to target.
Comedy is absolutely moribund, and pretty much as good as dead.
Let's not forget. Comedy is one of our strengths and got us through some serious shit. It is a large part of our culture. So of course it must go. We are not allowed a culture.
What drugs are you on and where can I get them? Because you are totally detached from reality, like comedy is some unique thing only in British culture, and if comedy is dead, which it isn't, it is dead because of television formatting and financial incentives, we call that capitalism.
@@Lowlandlord British comedy is, in fact, uniquely British. Watch some, and read about what was happening in the UK when it was being performed. The Industrial Revolution started in the UK, as did modern capitalism, and the huge changes those events caused in that relatively small island needed an outlet. British humor is a national legacy, child, regardless of what you call anything.
@@simonestreeter1518 No it isn't, British people just want to pretend they are unique and special and they have lost everything else, including good music bands. How British comedy is managed is unique, because your entertainment industry is unique and socialized in a way it is not anywhere else in the world. I have been watching British comedy my whole life, and Canadian, and Australian, and American and there is nothing terribly unique about the comedy itself. And not just the popular stuff, small stuff from BBC Scotland, Cardiff and such, I used to pirate every sitcom and standup thing I could find. It is interesting that many of the best comedians are Oxford or Cambridge graduates, but their comedy is not terribly unique, no more unique than one comedian's set is unique from the next, unless the next is someone like George Carlin. Even the Pythons, who I adore, are not so unique, and they got a lot of their stuff off of Frost (whom many of them worked for). Go look at ancient Greek comedy, has many similarities with the interesting British comedies from the Industrial revolution. What is also not unique is that the British think because they did something no one else ever did it and that they are very special, you lot need a golden star sticker or something so you can just feel special about yourself and shut up.
@@Lowlandlord In all seriousness, can you recommend a particular Greek comedy, and a British show that is inspired by it? This is the kind of thing that interests me greatly, and I'd be much obliged. As a side note, I am an American, a New Yorker, actually.
'We' are not who 'we' used to be.
I don't know who this guy is but he's cool
the mic is killing me
Shame about the microphone setup, interesting interview
Great interview, but... please get a muffle for your guest's mic, or clip it his shirt, not his waistcoat!!
a very intelligent man. Funny as well xx
You're such an arse hole!
Move his mic
I think something they are missing is that most comedians can get away "leftist comedy" because most of the population of the planet that is relevant to commercial interests is leftist or has leftists beliefs. Most people agree on a lot of these issues and don't agree with most of the right wing stuff, parties aside. People often vote for progressive reforms in referendums but for politicians that are contrary to their interests on these issues (the last American election saw a bunch of this, with referendums on minimum wages and all sort of things, then the state legislature that was voted in vetoed the referendums in many cases, or limited the powers of the incoming governors, etc) so it can make some things cloudy, but polls tend to show that most people are in favour of a lot of this stuff by decent numbers. In the states most people are in favour of a medical care program that covers everyone, gun law reform and reasonable immigration reform (which is not the same as enacting policies that make legal immigration impossible). There are actually right wing comedians out there that do make jokes about right wing things, they don't have very big audiences generally. Dave Rubin is one actually, he does proper sets that rely on audience participation. Most of his audience are libertarian or alt-right or Trump supporters or whatever (he asks them to identify at the start of the show actually, he pokes at the progressives, who generally show up to heckle the poor hypocritical sellout). People drive across state lines to get to them if they are big fans, apparently, but he lives in LA so the fact that he can't fill a smaller comedy club in LA using only the people from the surrounding area (and much of the county does not fit the typical stereotype of being a leftist haven) speaks to how popular his comedic set is.
They are also both quite out of touch with the idea that people get offended on other's behalf. This is in no way new, Simon says a decade, they say shorter, I can point to a Canadian comedian (it was either That Canadian Guy or McDonald) that had a joke about Canadians doing exactly that in the '90's. His venue was not small, it was on Just for Laughs which is the world's largest comedy festival and it was televised on put on reruns for decades. Royal Canadian Air Farce used to have jokes about that, apparently sort of a Canadian thing. Their points of view are also terribly subjective, I know lots of "minorities" that don't like someone cashing in on jokes on their culture, I also know a bunch that are happy to have a comedian from the same culture because they get a taste of representation. Buddy of mine from Iraq once told me that white people can't make him laugh, big fan of Russel Peters, I got him to enjoy Danny Bhoy. But to him every white comedian, left or right, is a boring old man, he can't identify with them. I am incredibly leftist, and I do get offended at some things, but an jokes about someones cultural thing is not one of them, I am Scottish/French Canadian and will make fun of every culture on the planet, Scots and French are some of the best targets, the "cheese eating surrender monkey" thing tired and not rooted in reality though, there are better things to make fun of that are true and that have not been done by every idiot that doesn't know history. Just doing a Indian accent is not a terribly good joke either, entertained me when I was 8 but there are better jokes and ones that are not offensive but actually relatable. You can have offensive jokes, but they need to be absurd enough to not be serious and/or relatable to the audience.
I also don't put much faith in their grasp of the audience's responses. How can he tell what ethnic groups the audiences are from, comedians constantly complain that you can't even see the audience in dark rooms when you have those bright lights shining into your face. Did he do polls after the show or something? More likely he thinks and feels a certain way and he generally he would have feed back from family and friends, which is not the same thing as feedback from the audience. Kevin Smith had a bunch of movie-maker friends check out Yoga Hosers (including Quentin Tarantino as I recall), most of them said they enjoyed it. Most people aren't going to respond to a friend by saying it was shit, or by making editing suggestions (which is a good way to piss off a friend, tell them how to do their job better than they are). Yoga Hosers was certainly not as appreciated with the general audience as his artsy, director buddies. And hell, these comedians are not even terribly well known, they might be professionals but they are hardly the most successful comedians, they don't even stand in the same level of success as Simon and Simon is well below your Jo Brands, David Mitchells, Stephen Fryes and such. Simon is the only one that has enough of an audience to have a Wikipedia page, blame it on political biases if you like, but this channel is not even that successful and it has a very clear target audience that falls into a demographic that support the likes of Dave Rubin and Steve Crowder, so the audience exists (as I argue not in huge numbers, but they pretty much all have access to the internet so they are available), they just aren't following these guys, so I take their understanding of the comedic world with a grain of salt, just like I wouldn't take advice from myself on a number of topics that I know I am middling at.
Francis is getting more buff by the show. Good work!
Kisin should go to one of those shows that he's required to not tell any offensive jokes and do a bunch of "knock, knock" jokes that 7 year olds may tell. dumb it down to their childish level
I can't recommend Kindly Inquisitors: New Attacks on Free Thought (2011 Ed) enough. Rauch descusses the international creep of laws in the 1990's, the foundation of scientific thinking itself, the evrlotiom and corruption of the LGBT movement.. All summed in 350 pages. If I get a chance for a brief chat with Mr Evans as a comic myself, I'll give him my copy.
Tip top show fellas. Simon is always great to hear. Massive ring. Fix that fucking mic though. Good luck in Edinburgh.
Disses Sargon then unironically paraphrases sargon with 'context is everything'. He is a fence sitter. Nothing to see here
I was surprised Simon mentioned recent Internet phenomena like Gamergate and Sargon, but there's the rub: he knows *something* happened, but he's obviously clueless or wrong about the background and details. Let's set the table by explaining who Labour MP Jess Phillips is. In 2018 when a fellow MP suggested men's issues be taken up in Parliament, this is how Jess Phillips responded ruclips.net/video/iRWUsn4yyJI/видео.html. You can look for her appearances on Question Time to see more of the same; she's boorish and condescending.
in 2016, Sargon makes a This Week in Stupid video (since taken down by YT). Around the 17:00 mark, he quotes an article in which Jess Phillips says, "People talking about raping me isn’t fun but has become somewhat par for the course." So Sargon responds, "Well, I'll tell you what Jess, I think that's terrible, and you know, I wouldn't even rape you."
On Twitter, Sargon touts his video with a tweet (since removed by Twitter) saying "I wouldn't even rape you" without the context of the video, and he tags Jess Phillips in it. Jess then retweets a discussion there, saying "Jut some fellas mulling over how offensive or not it is to say that they wouldn't rape me."
Sargon makes another video, entitled "A Feminist Horror Movie," that mocks Philips further while repeatedly stressing that his remark - "I wouldn't even rape you" - is intentionally and explicitly not a threat of violence. Philips initially downplays the incident but then calls on Twitter to censor a deluge of non-threats of violence she has received www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/by-ignoring-the-thousands-of-rape-threats-sent-to-me-twitter-is/ .
Does anyone think Simon Evans correctly interpreted or was even aware of these facts? Did he accurately describe events and how they occurred? The point is Simon was clueless but still offered his opinion, and that's why we shouldn't blithely listen to celebrities or comedians pontificate on topics they "know nothing about."
38:10 Francis 🤣
Interesting guest with zero awareness of the mic.
In simple words, the government and society is making comedy dead so that "comedians" like him can survive of the government teat.
Was the Bill Grundy reference lost?
I have a level of bias with Jo Brand. I have never liked her or found her funny. The usual output was always bitter, hateful stuff. So it was very easy to find her “battery acid” thing as a rubbish joke, as well as very stupid.
I got a bit fed up with such a “free speech” thing that you *must* find Carl Benjamin and Mark Meechan funny, and if you don’t, you are a heretic to the cause. The fact is, they were both rubbish (as far as I'm concerned) at a stand up attempt. Just give me good jokes - not a “cause”. I don't laugh to order.
I grew up with Derek and Clive, so hardly anything shocks me, if it is done well. Some of which has come along has not been done or delivered well. Maybe Benjamin and Meechan will improve over a long period of time, but don’t ask me to guffaw when there is nothing there.
I think the carl benjamin 'rape joke' was actually quite funny because its true and spoke about a wider issue whereas although I haven't heard the brand battery acid joke in context I cannot for the life of me see how it would be funny, its just a clumsy hateful thing to say that isn't the least bit edgy given the platform of where it was said.
@@chatteyj The 'not rape' joke seems legitimate satire to me as a general response to the type of hateful feminists who spout the ' all men are rapists' dogma. Just a bit of a reality check for them.
@@harnois75 Reality check: rape is not funny, not if it is a young girl, not if it is an old woman. It is not funny because the young girl and the old woman have both probably been raped or assaulted in some way. The battery acid thing is clearly a joke because it if frankly unrealistic for most people in modern society. Jo also constantly jokes about killing her husband, or having killed him, that is also not true, it is absurd, thus the humour. Rape is not funny because it is fucking true, someone is being raped right now, thousands are. When you actually talk to women and find out about the experiences they have had it is shocking and alarming and there is a part that is angry and wonders why the police didn't do anything. There is shame, but there are also people who think women deserve to be raped, or that if they are coerced into it it is not rape.
There is this horrible story I read years ago, of a high school girl being raped at a party. She was underage and drunk to the point of being unconscious, which fits both what most people consider rape and what Ohio, Minnesota or whatever crappy state it was' definition of rape, but there are still some people that would say that it was consensual and that regret and consent are not the same thing. Most people would not argue that it is appropriate to drop the a girl off on her front lawn at 2 am, naked, in the snow and unconscious still. They found her in the morning, with some frostbite. When it was reported to the police her classmates sided with the rapist. Her family was driven out of town, while they were trying to sell the house it was burned down. The police did nothing, charges were dropped and no investigation seems to have every been done for the arson, the insurance company has done more than the police. It was apparently in Missouri (which actually is the state with the highest rate of rapes per capita actually, you want to get raped, leave New York and go to the mid west. Want to get shot or mugged, go to New York, funny system the Americans have) and her name is Daisy Coleman. They also describe how there were over a dozen other victims from the same boys, but how no one reported it because of fear of being vilified in the same way she was, literally being driven out of town. Most women have suffered this to some degree, and have chosen the same path as the dozen anonymous women, they don't report it, but they do have some experience that leads into that, so most rape jokes directed at real women are actually probably directed at actual victims. On the other hand Jo Brand is not a member of the mafia and as far as I know Two-Face is only in the fucking comics.
@@Lowlandlord Nobody said rape was funny. Get over yourself. No instance of actual rape is funny, yet Jess Phillips sneers at the highest rape figures in the UK, those that take place within prisons. If sending some derision her way wakes her up to facts beyond those that suit her agenda then maybe it's the only way to open her eyes to things she apparently finds impossible to believe. Oh, and if you think that the battery acid assault is unrealistic, take a look at what Antifa has been concocting in their 'milkshake' protests and consider the rise of the ever more hysterical 'rebels without a clue' that march at every opportunity and who look to media prominent left wingers for validation. Jo Brand's joke is far more inciting in the current climate than a 'non-rape' jibe.
@@Lowlandlord bollocks
Extremely smart & well spoken guy.
I don't think he is funny. he is too smart.
* Except his feelings which I disagree with.
gotta check the lapel mic !!!!
I like him
Can someone tell Konstantin to stop slurping his coffee throughout the interview?