Hi KK, funny how simple, straight forward reasoning is now considered right wing, when not ultra right or even fascist. You owe president Bolsonaro an excuse. And I'm not resting till we talk about it. I'm still a big fan even if you never wrote back.
This was amazing, as an American I had no idea who this guy was, and now I realize that I could sit and talk with this dude for hours and never run out of avenues to explore... brilliant man, love this.... I still love you Danny. Where are you? Bring back, bring back, bring back my Danny to me, to me
It is an interesting point that Konstantin makes about people needing to talk to think. In one of the workshops I was part of, where we were recognising people's behaviours and their personality traits, there was a personality trait that I myself associated with more. And that was the creative sort. The ones who prefer more freedom, are enthusiastic and passionate, and expressive, problem solvers among other things, and they are ones who think as they talk. So the first thing they say might not be their best, but they are thinking and they will keep recalibrating themselves. Most of the creative people in various fields have this in abundance in them, and so do some academics, especially who are more linked within humanities and psychology. But if we cut them off and don't give them room to make mistakes, then we lose the ability to have free flowing innovative ideas and solutions to different problems and barriers. One of the biggest fears of these sort of people is loss of social acceptance as well. So you can see how that dynamic would work, when you take every word of theirs for face value and try to use it against them without understanding their intention or letting a free flow of processing time.
I started watching Triggernometry from the start back in 2018 . I started watching WBD around the beginning of 2021. I love it when you get unexpected crossovers like this.
I'm not a free speech absolutist, either. Yelling fire in a theatre or inciting others to violence cannot be condoned. But we're about to get hate speech laws in Australia, and I can't imagine a more drastic change to a society. We Aussies don't mind a bit of regulation, or a good deal of it, but this really crosses the line into transforming a society from free to unfree. It would be one thing if hate meant hate, but no, it's going to be a very low bar, from what I glean from the scant political commentary, so that we will all be ruled by the most sensitive, spiteful or mischievous person who alleges hate where someone simply disagrees with them or indicates skepticism. And worst of all, no-one is talking about it. Like you say, complacency. I suppose people are gullible and think it sounds so nice and good, banning hate from the world, as if that could be achievable.
Kristin owes you big time for all the new subscribers he just picked up. Great discussion. If you’re reading this, check the entire debate about Wokeism that Kristin features in. His speech is even better in the context of the debate IMO.
Kissins podcast literally already has 6X the subscribers WBD does. I think you have this backwards. I'm a ling time subscriber to both. Triggernometry has great guests and good balanced conversations/interviews 👍 Peter could do with picking up some of KKs subscribers.
The point about "How do you expect young people to be conservative" is an argument I have been making for over a decade now probably. I moved to London in 2019. I work as a management consultant. I am probably currently in the top 20% of earners in this country but I cannot afford a decent place to live in or around this city without sharing. It is completely ridiculous (and yes I know there are places, but they are far below the standard that I am willing to pay for). What does that do to young people? When you have no perspective as you are excluded from the housing market, from raising a family, people are telling you left and right that inflation is making you poor, the planet is dying and all these other issues... why would you be conservative? The irony of course being that when young people then support the "other side", the results are equally as bad or arguably even worse for them!!! But this stuff is spiralling completely out of control because it is a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. If you believe you have no chance in this "system", then you want to get rid of it, even though this is the system that made the West so successful... but the system is deeply corrupt and broken so what to do???
Great interview. Was so excited when I seen the thumbnail. I think 1 non-Bitcoin interview once a week/2 weeks, might be the sweet spot to optimising your content with some diverse topics, whilst, simultaneously, not alienating the diehard BTC crowd 👌
"We live in a shared media space with the US" Churchill called it 'the English-speaking world', although I doubt he'd be happy with how things have gone at this point.
I love how two very weathy guys can just straight up say people don't want money, it's not what they desire or it's not what will make you happy or blah blah blah.... Let me just say this.... It's incredibly easy to say that once money is not a problem to you anymore... So out of touch. Trust me, and I speak for all poor people, what we want is more money and more wealth to do the damn things to make us happy
Sure. But why do you want the money? You want to be able to provide for yourself, your family, your tribe. You want to be able to express yourself. You want to be rewarded fairly for what you give, in terms of the work you are doing / value you're providing. So in the end, you want love and compassion and freedom, not money. Money's just a tool. You can have money, not provide any value or utility to the people around you, and you will be miserable. I think that's what they're saying.
Lol. I don't think you have any idea who KK is if you are suggesting that he is a very wealthy guy 😂 ... He is working very hard at achieving it, but it's been a long hard slog thus far. I think he's admitting that recent years have shown him it's not the end goal. It's about the trade offs, relationships and the journey.
@pedanticlady9126 totally agree with you. I've seen the progress and growth of triggernometry over the last few years and their trials and tribulations to get to where they are. I am sure they don't consider themselves wealthy at this point. They have put a LOT of hard work into getting this far
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan It's ironic I am considering leaving the Western world because I feel like I cannot do anything anymore without the government trying to meddle with my affairs.
Every time you say the truth you are marked as right extremist...eventhogh you may be an immigrant or whatever...I only seen and experience it myself in socialist countries...also the same stories from EU 1930 -1945 my grandparents were telling us... great interview by the way...
Two good men. I wish there were more like this in the world. Something funny happened to feminism. I was around for the start of the second wave back in the late sixties and early seventies. There were two aspects to the movement: access to the wider world beyond the kitchen, AND recognition of the unpaid care work done at home. The first part fit in nicely with capitalism. As K.K. noted, the price of labour went down. The second part, not so much. I remember a Dutch feminist Joke Kool-Smith, arguing for the adoption of a 25 hour workweek for all, so that bread winning and care giving could be shared more evenly. French feminist Eveline Sullerot noted that the lives of men and women are not symmetrical when it comes to outside work. Women do their best work after 45, when the children have mostly grown up. This was in the sixties before childbearing was endlessly delayed. Meanwhile workplaces and schools still operate on the premise that someone is at home available to look after a sick child for instance.
The fatherless thing is an interesting one but I don't think it's the root of the problem. The issue is bad male role models, not the lack of one. There has been plenty of fatherlessness during times of war which didn't lead to a generation of criminals. Broadly speaking it's a problem of culture
"Useful idiotism" was coined by Youri Bezmenov. Repeat the lie ten times and it becomes a truth. Father is the very essence of the Western civilization. Take father out and this civilization never happens, people would literally live in caves. How this is not a factor is beond me.
I love this guy and what he's done for the discourse. His temperament, intelligence, courage, and articulacy have been great gifts for our broken times... That said (while he can't hold forth thus) I strongly suspect (and rightly so) that under the hood he grasps 99% of the crazy and civilizational threat is coming from the left today, not the right. I think he gets this, but for obvious social and even argumentative reasons, it's not very useful to take this tact publicly. But it's a very deep problem we have over here in the U.S. in particular. Until the average citizen feels comfortable to publicly state how much more insane the left is than the right -- and derivatively, how despite all his flaws Trump's policies are far preferable to cultural suicide by woke -- we are in very big trouble. At issue is how very hard it is to say the "aggregate shoreline" of the argument fronts of the two opposing factions overwhelmingly favors one side gaining power to save the West in the near term. My anonymity is just one small facet reflecting this larger problem, and I used to be quite public in my arguments. It's just exhausting to take up the space for incoming required right now.
When two parents are working, they can outbid individuals when buying a house. So the price of houses goes up. That's why a household cannot be run on one income.
I feel like Pete has a really generous view of american conservatism when he talks about how they like "freedom". I think libertarians care about this stuff, but not mainstream conservatives. They're just as happy to fill up prisons and tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies as the next person.
Libertarians and sovereign individualists both seem to frequently betray themselves by finding false alignment with American conservatism. There are some superficial connections but the ideologies driving the two are entirely opposed. It has made Libertarians appear hypocritical and antithetical to any true and honest definition of what Libertarianism claims to be. I consider myself a Libertarian but hell if I’m going to associate with the actual party or any of the mainstream media outlets. If you aren’t going to win any major political battles, you might as well be hardcore to your beliefs rather than cater to right wingers looking to jump ship. They need to show more dedication to their deeper ideology.
In what way? Abortion? if so, please argue in good faith. It's not about controlling women - its because we believe that the fetus is a human being worthy of protection. Drugs? Look around and tell me how well legalization is working out.
The woke activists will attack those harping on about the importance of freedom, while at the same time tell us how bad we are for the horrors of denying people their freedom.... aka, historical slavery.
If you’d like your children to learn how to deal with people, money, life challenges then include them in your daily life - don’t ask the school to teach another obscure topic.
come on man, you have to take personal responsibility - I'm sure they felt the regrettable drunk one night stands. did they stop drinking? no? they lacked the discipline and self control and had a good old time. They were fully aware and took the risk and now its blown up in there face. bar woman that have been sexually assaulted or struggled with a really hard life. Do not feel sorry for them, they were fully aware of what they were doing
I stopped watching this interview after 3 minutes. Once again, Konstatine laboriously making the point that he is not “right wing” and while doing so throwing “conservatives” under bus, so called conservatives of which effectively 80 pct simply share his common sense read to the cultural narrative. Why must we be apologetic for having common sense views? We should not have to do that ALL THE TIME, it’s wrong and undermines our case. Is Konstatin doing this because he secretively thinks that he might be right wing? Or just to score some browny points with a left leaning interviewer? Frankly, too call these modern narratives “left” or “right” stopped making sense some time ago!
It would be nice if KK stops pretending to be Russian. Leaving Russia at the age of 11 doesn't make him Russian. He is British through and through. He has no idea what and how the Russians think and behave.
Konstantin, PLEASE stop saying 'look'. It's bygone and was always obnoxious. Posie is GREAT. BS explanation that says when boys reach puberty they need a more authoritarian father. It the boy was raised with respect and sensitivity by their father until puberty, they will not need their father to change. Konstantin you talk too much.
Thank you for having me on the show!
Hi KK, funny how simple, straight forward reasoning is now considered right wing, when not ultra right or even fascist. You owe president Bolsonaro an excuse. And I'm not resting till we talk about it.
I'm still a big fan even if you never wrote back.
Now *this* is a pleasant surprise. Big fan of the Kisin and Triggernometry.
This was amazing, as an American I had no idea who this guy was, and now I realize that I could sit and talk with this dude for hours and never run out of avenues to explore... brilliant man, love this....
I still love you Danny. Where are you? Bring back, bring back, bring back my Danny to me, to me
It is an interesting point that Konstantin makes about people needing to talk to think. In one of the workshops I was part of, where we were recognising people's behaviours and their personality traits, there was a personality trait that I myself associated with more. And that was the creative sort. The ones who prefer more freedom, are enthusiastic and passionate, and expressive, problem solvers among other things, and they are ones who think as they talk. So the first thing they say might not be their best, but they are thinking and they will keep recalibrating themselves. Most of the creative people in various fields have this in abundance in them, and so do some academics, especially who are more linked within humanities and psychology. But if we cut them off and don't give them room to make mistakes, then we lose the ability to have free flowing innovative ideas and solutions to different problems and barriers. One of the biggest fears of these sort of people is loss of social acceptance as well. So you can see how that dynamic would work, when you take every word of theirs for face value and try to use it against them without understanding their intention or letting a free flow of processing time.
Konstantin is a man of reason. Love him.
I started watching Triggernometry from the start back in 2018 . I started watching WBD around the beginning of 2021. I love it when you get unexpected crossovers like this.
I stumbled across Mr. Kisin while watching debates at Oxford Union and dig the glib of his jive. This is a real treat, thank you!
A wonderful conversation, with both parties considerate and compelling. Thank you.
Thanks for taking your audience on a really thoughtful discussion by introducing us to Konstantin Kisin.
Respect to Posie Parker
I'm not a free speech absolutist, either. Yelling fire in a theatre or inciting others to violence cannot be condoned. But we're about to get hate speech laws in Australia, and I can't imagine a more drastic change to a society. We Aussies don't mind a bit of regulation, or a good deal of it, but this really crosses the line into transforming a society from free to unfree. It would be one thing if hate meant hate, but no, it's going to be a very low bar, from what I glean from the scant political commentary, so that we will all be ruled by the most sensitive, spiteful or mischievous person who alleges hate where someone simply disagrees with them or indicates skepticism. And worst of all, no-one is talking about it. Like you say, complacency. I suppose people are gullible and think it sounds so nice and good, banning hate from the world, as if that could be achievable.
Same thing is happening in Ireland.
Thank you Peter for getting him on. He's such a great speaker.
Kristin owes you big time for all the new subscribers he just picked up.
Great discussion.
If you’re reading this, check the entire debate about Wokeism that Kristin features in. His speech is even better in the context of the debate IMO.
Kissins podcast literally already has 6X the subscribers WBD does. I think you have this backwards. I'm a ling time subscriber to both. Triggernometry has great guests and good balanced conversations/interviews 👍
Peter could do with picking up some of KKs subscribers.
Konstantin is the type of wise man we need in these troubled times. Won't be asking his advice on crypto though!
This was great.. always good to hear from a 'KK' cheers!
Your interviewing skills have grown through practice . Well done
The point about "How do you expect young people to be conservative" is an argument I have been making for over a decade now probably. I moved to London in 2019. I work as a management consultant. I am probably currently in the top 20% of earners in this country but I cannot afford a decent place to live in or around this city without sharing. It is completely ridiculous (and yes I know there are places, but they are far below the standard that I am willing to pay for). What does that do to young people? When you have no perspective as you are excluded from the housing market, from raising a family, people are telling you left and right that inflation is making you poor, the planet is dying and all these other issues... why would you be conservative?
The irony of course being that when young people then support the "other side", the results are equally as bad or arguably even worse for them!!! But this stuff is spiralling completely out of control because it is a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. If you believe you have no chance in this "system", then you want to get rid of it, even though this is the system that made the West so successful... but the system is deeply corrupt and broken so what to do???
Great interview. Was so excited when I seen the thumbnail. I think 1 non-Bitcoin interview once a week/2 weeks, might be the sweet spot to optimising your content with some diverse topics, whilst, simultaneously, not alienating the diehard BTC crowd 👌
Love you both ! Keep at it
@13:59 is bang on. Sometimes I simply need to hear whats coming out of my mouth before I can be sure it's what I really think, or believe.
Love this!
This dude is literally helping lead the culture war
"We live in a shared media space with the US"
Churchill called it 'the English-speaking world', although I doubt he'd be happy with how things have gone at this point.
Top shelf m8! Well played
KK one best voices in UK last few years
Australia is having the same problem with American woke’ism.
Love this dude.
I love how two very weathy guys can just straight up say people don't want money, it's not what they desire or it's not what will make you happy or blah blah blah.... Let me just say this.... It's incredibly easy to say that once money is not a problem to you anymore... So out of touch. Trust me, and I speak for all poor people, what we want is more money and more wealth to do the damn things to make us happy
Sure. But why do you want the money? You want to be able to provide for yourself, your family, your tribe. You want to be able to express yourself. You want to be rewarded fairly for what you give, in terms of the work you are doing / value you're providing. So in the end, you want love and compassion and freedom, not money. Money's just a tool. You can have money, not provide any value or utility to the people around you, and you will be miserable. I think that's what they're saying.
Lol. I don't think you have any idea who KK is if you are suggesting that he is a very wealthy guy 😂 ... He is working very hard at achieving it, but it's been a long hard slog thus far. I think he's admitting that recent years have shown him it's not the end goal. It's about the trade offs, relationships and the journey.
@pedanticlady9126 totally agree with you. I've seen the progress and growth of triggernometry over the last few years and their trials and tribulations to get to where they are. I am sure they don't consider themselves wealthy at this point. They have put a LOT of hard work into getting this far
Respect to Louise Perry
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan
It's ironic I am considering leaving the Western world because I feel like I cannot do anything anymore without the government trying to meddle with my affairs.
People are cowards and history tells us that freedom always has to vanish first before people wake up and ask "how did we get here"
Every time you say the truth you are marked as right extremist...eventhogh you may be an immigrant or whatever...I only seen and experience it myself in socialist countries...also the same stories from EU 1930 -1945 my grandparents were telling us... great interview by the way...
Never vote left. Democrats in America gave us all this wokeism. Fuck Communists.
GREAT SHOW … nice one mate
Didn't recognize the name, but definitely recognized the voice from Triggernometry! Good stuff! Bright future!
Another great show
So question here:
- name 1 right wing party in UK
- name 1 crazy right wing party in UK
- what is "crazy right wing" anyway?
He must pretend to parity between the two sides but I do think he's secretly on ours.
Two good men. I wish there were more like this in the world. Something funny happened to feminism. I was around for the start of the second wave back in the late sixties and early seventies. There were two aspects to the movement: access to the wider world beyond the kitchen, AND recognition of the unpaid care work done at home.
The first part fit in nicely with capitalism. As K.K. noted, the price of labour went down. The second part, not so much. I remember a Dutch feminist Joke Kool-Smith, arguing for the adoption of a 25 hour workweek for all, so that bread winning and care giving could be shared more evenly. French feminist Eveline Sullerot noted that the lives of men and women are not symmetrical when it comes to outside work. Women do their best work after 45, when the children have mostly grown up. This was in the sixties before childbearing was endlessly delayed. Meanwhile workplaces and schools still operate on the premise that someone is at home available to look after a sick child for instance.
Konstantin Kisin is one of the greatest advocates for free speech
Yes he is.
Once you hear Peter awake snoring, you can't unhear it.
The fatherless thing is an interesting one but I don't think it's the root of the problem. The issue is bad male role models, not the lack of one. There has been plenty of fatherlessness during times of war which didn't lead to a generation of criminals. Broadly speaking it's a problem of culture
"Useful idiotism" was coined by Youri Bezmenov. Repeat the lie ten times and it becomes a truth. Father is the very essence of the Western civilization. Take father out and this civilization never happens, people would literally live in caves. How this is not a factor is beond me.
I love this guy and what he's done for the discourse. His temperament, intelligence, courage, and articulacy have been great gifts for our broken times...
That said (while he can't hold forth thus) I strongly suspect (and rightly so) that under the hood he grasps 99% of the crazy and civilizational threat is coming from the left today, not the right. I think he gets this, but for obvious social and even argumentative reasons, it's not very useful to take this tact publicly.
But it's a very deep problem we have over here in the U.S. in particular. Until the average citizen feels comfortable to publicly state how much more insane the left is than the right -- and derivatively, how despite all his flaws Trump's policies are far preferable to cultural suicide by woke -- we are in very big trouble.
At issue is how very hard it is to say the "aggregate shoreline" of the argument fronts of the two opposing factions overwhelmingly favors one side gaining power to save the West in the near term.
My anonymity is just one small facet reflecting this larger problem, and I used to be quite public in my arguments. It's just exhausting to take up the space for incoming required right now.
When two parents are working, they can outbid individuals when buying a house. So the price of houses goes up. That's why a household cannot be run on one income.
I feel like Pete has a really generous view of american conservatism when he talks about how they like "freedom". I think libertarians care about this stuff, but not mainstream conservatives. They're just as happy to fill up prisons and tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies as the next person.
Libertarians and sovereign individualists both seem to frequently betray themselves by finding false alignment with American conservatism.
There are some superficial connections but the ideologies driving the two are entirely opposed. It has made Libertarians appear hypocritical and antithetical to any true and honest definition of what Libertarianism claims to be.
I consider myself a Libertarian but hell if I’m going to associate with the actual party or any of the mainstream media outlets. If you aren’t going to win any major political battles, you might as well be hardcore to your beliefs rather than cater to right wingers looking to jump ship. They need to show more dedication to their deeper ideology.
In what way? Abortion? if so, please argue in good faith. It's not about controlling women - its because we believe that the fetus is a human being worthy of protection. Drugs? Look around and tell me how well legalization is working out.
😂😂😂 back to reality for you
Where has Danny been lately?
Bingo!
What exactly is "woke-ism" ?
With the studio having been emptied somewhat it looks a bit like a green screen.
Few teachers are able to be trusted to teach & many holiday in Cuba, Russia or China.
LOL THATS WHY HIS SOUR GRAPING BITCOIN! 😂😂😂😂😂
Win
They kicked us out of their country... using guns.
So sayimg you want a 1st Amendment but not a 2nd is missing the point.
The woke activists will attack those harping on about the importance of freedom, while at the same time tell us how bad we are for the horrors of denying people their freedom.... aka, historical slavery.
How come all the women I know are 'girl bosses' and happy about it? Maybe you're not talking to the right women.
Hasn't Kisin said he thinks Bitcoin will fail because governments will legislate against it ?
If you’d like your children to learn how to deal with people, money, life challenges then include them in your daily life - don’t ask the school to teach another obscure topic.
come on man, you have to take personal responsibility - I'm sure they felt the regrettable drunk one night stands. did they stop drinking? no? they lacked the discipline and self control and had a good old time. They were fully aware and took the risk and now its blown up in there face. bar woman that have been sexually assaulted or struggled with a really hard life. Do not feel sorry for them, they were fully aware of what they were doing
Nigel Farage and Konstantin Kisin in the same week. Whatever happened to your apolitical Bitcoin show?!
I stopped watching this interview after 3 minutes. Once again, Konstatine laboriously making the point that he is not “right wing” and while doing so throwing “conservatives” under bus, so called conservatives of which effectively 80 pct simply share his common sense read to the cultural narrative. Why must we be apologetic for having common sense views? We should not have to do that ALL THE TIME, it’s wrong and undermines our case. Is Konstatin doing this because he secretively thinks that he might be right wing? Or just to score some browny points with a left leaning interviewer? Frankly, too call these modern narratives “left” or “right” stopped making sense some time ago!
It would be nice if KK stops pretending to be Russian. Leaving Russia at the age of 11 doesn't make him Russian. He is British through and through. He has no idea what and how the Russians think and behave.
I thought Konstantin was in his early 30s.
Where's Danny?
This guy is confusing the media throwing a fit over right wing views and right wingers actually trying to sow social trouble
Konstantin, PLEASE stop saying 'look'. It's bygone and was always obnoxious.
Posie is GREAT.
BS explanation that says when boys reach puberty they need a more authoritarian father. It the boy was raised with respect and sensitivity by their father until puberty, they will not need their father to change.
Konstantin you talk too much.
He needs to go home
Don’t be afraid to be right of center. That’s where the common sense is. Everything left of center is coo coo for cocoa puff.
Oh the “horrors” of being right wing! You’re insulting would be allies, Konstantin. I leave you to clutch your left wing pearls! 😱
Who's this?
I am trans so please use my pronouns