Imagine if Scott Horton went on to Joe Rogan's podcast and said exactly what he said in this podcast. The response from the Government, MSM, Hollywood, etc would be f*cking insane because that episode would put such a massive dent into the official narrative that's being pushed.
I was about to make teh same comment. For much less, Rogan got into much more trouble. Great interview, nonetheless. Just need to fact check. But I Don t need for this podcast to be canceled just because a controversial topic was discussed.
Wow I'm amazed by Scott Horton's sheer broad knowledge of history and geopolitics. I as a half Ukrainian/russian myself often find myself misunderstood by many people around me here in Germany, telling the same exact things scott is talking about here just not as precise. I hope Scott gets the chance to be on Joe rogan someday. Wish him the best. This is one of the best episodes.
What I found in asking people random topical questions, is even tho they have no knowledge of the question asked ( spare me some leeway here) they would always have an opinion regardless of wether their informed on the question or not. I guess the take home point is, no one wants to look stupid?
@@armondeushon7892 lol that's exactly how to look stupid. Not knowing something and acknowledging that is how you learn. That's not stupid, that's ignorance and showing capacity to learn. The typ0ical American outlook of knowing little about little and most of what you think you know is wrong anyway but having very strong very emotional opinions about everything. That is the definition of stupid. Someone that thinks they know it all learns nothing. It's self evident.
Peter I've been watching channel since I got into Bitcoin during the lockdown and your channel has been inavluable to me. Having said all that I've also been acutely aware of the background to the Russia-Ukraine conflict and the truth that we are not being told. I thought this foray into geo-politics and your guest made this the best episode I have ever watched it was phenominal. I know you have stated that you regret calling the channel what bitcoin did because you have felt it prevented you from going into other areas but guess what you just showed it doesn't in spectacular fashion thank you and bravo fella. I'll be buying a bedford shirt asap.
Peter, I looked at the links in your show notes. It's unbelievable how thorough you and your team are. Your work is greatly appreciated. This, like all the others, is a great episode.
I am honestly baffled by this level of recall. I guess you have to be born with this trait. Even had I read as much as Scott Horton has, I wouldn’t have half the bandwidth sadly
Just saw this guy on Glenn Greenwalds show. Searched for him and found this. It’s SCARY his amount of recall with exact dates, foreign names, specific locations, etc. He’s actually amazing
The problem with Scott's totally on point analogy about Russia couping Ottawa, is that most Americans are completely incapable of viewing the world though anything other than an American lens. I know this from decades of debating them. I have made similar analogies hoping for understanding, but all that ever happens is that my interlocutor will pause for a moment and, in all seriousness, tell me that "When America does it, it's for the best of reasons. It's for Freedom. It's different."
Actually, the problem is equating NATO with Russian alliances like the CSTO or whatever else. These groups mostly work with dictators like Lukashenko or that guy in Kazakhstan. If you need context for the fall of the USSR, Poland for instance, had no choice in their inclusion in the Warsaw Pact, but on the contrary, joined NATO voluntarily. Do you really need to ask why Poland or East Germany don't care about Gorbachav's feelings being hurt? People like Scott Horton view this as the US stealing Poland, or the US provoking Russia, but its actually a form of self-liberation. Scott doesn't really seem to view Eastern European countries as autonomous agents. His own words say as much when he says "the US took Ukraine from Russia." Funny... I thought the commonwealth of independent nations guaranteed their independence and sovereignty during the Belovezha Accords. Does Scott think this was BS also? What people don't realize is that its agreements with Russia, like when Churchill and Truman gave all of Eastern Europe to Stalin, largely created need or even desire for NATO expansion. Being the Soviets' bitch for 50 years happens to be the biggest provocation possible. While you're right that Americans tend to be pretty Americentric, they didn't get that way using the same ways Russia became so isolated. While what America did in Latin Ameica was undoubtedly bad, it was during the Cold War against communist totalitarian regimes like Fidel Castro or Daniel Ortega. What Russia did was invade a country on the pretense of it leaving its sphere of influence. It's slightly different
Russia invaded because the people in the east in the Donbas asked them. They had been shelled since 2014 by their own Govt . The coup in 2014 in Ukraine (backed by the US ) was when the war started.
It is different. As someone who has spent 5 years living in Russia, I can very well understand the desire of their former satellites not to live like them, but like us. Come and experience Russia for yourself. There is a labor shortage here. As to the coup, millions of people protested for months, and they didn't do it for the cookies. Ukranians have been trying to escape Russian domination since 1709, way before the USA existed, and when Ottowa was still called Yorktown. Scott downplays human agency, and he downplays the long history of resistence to Russian rule.
@@acidthunder1I’m sorry but that is russian propaganda. They (Russia) went in covertly to Donbas with troops 2014. Been there infiltrating business and politics before that. There were no ”call from the people”. It was a fake request from installed local Kremlin puppet politicians. OSCE were there on the ground 2014-2022. No genocide or ethnic cleansing has ever been reported by them, as often cited by Putinistas as the reason for the ”SMO”. It is Kremlin propaganda. Lies. Putin wants to control Ukraine and come up with fake motives for invading when Ukrainians rather belong to Europe and want to create a Ukraine built on democratic principles and rule of law. Free from Russian influence and the corruption that comes with it.
Peter, I love your podcast regardless if you discuss bitcoin or not. Everyone should be informed of what is going on and I appreciate you educating us.
Wow, what an unbelievable episode and Scott changes the whole picture of the story. His conclusion is just valid for both sides, we need a new generation of politicians not trying to defeat the other side but to collaborate on a global basis!
This was amazing! The way Scott processes all that information and puts it out with such coherence, is the kind of ability that can put one in harm's way...
I'd be interested in his take on the activities of the FSB and Ivan Girkin in Donbas pre 2014 insurrection. I mean, Girkin has literally said that he manufactured the crisis there. He's sitting jn jail in Russia right now.
I strongly support these non-BC conversations. Don’t be one dimensional. You could literally be the next Joe Rogan. The Eric Weinstein interview was brilliant. Keep it up.
It may have been hard to sit through all that in person but thank you for letting Scott unload on you. I enjoyed the listen, learned a LOT and will definitely be back for more :)
Scott Horton is a great guest to bring on, he's super knowledgeable and always willing to point out the emperor has no clothes. Still fondly remembering his recent debate with neocon chickenhawk Bill Kristol who he crushed. Haven't tuned into your podcast in awhile but I'm definitely checking out this one.
I don’t like American imperialism but I am also skeptical of some of what was said here. I think it’s important to take in many sources and points of view to form your own opinion, so it’s valuable to listen to this one.
agreed, a lot of russian apologies here. truth is usually in the middle, both american imperialism and authoritarian power grabs can exist at the same time.
I do think it's important to take into consideration many sources but please, just read into Iraq, Libya , Afghanistan etc. and come back and tell me if you look into this with this much skepticism...
There is 200% hindsight is 20-20 in the historical chronology and logic here. And alot if apologist bs mixed in too. Cutting off oil sales to a nation is not a declaration of war. The US was not a vessal of the Japanese empire- therefore they are free to sell oil to whoever they want to. Same with Britain and Poland. Britain can offer a guarantee to defend Poland from German aggression. This is not responsibility for ww2. The person who actually pulls the trigger is the murderer. "I was forced to do it because they were mean to me" is no defense.
Wow. Mind blown. Great episode. Informative, challenging and thought provoking. Like you I now need to go and verify as much of this as possible. Keep up the great work. EP2 asap pls.
His recollection of exact dates, foreign names, sequential dates, historical knowledge, and not getting tongue tied and not using a single note is just straight up SCARY genius
1:38:33 This part brought me so much sadness and anger, but also pride and relief of recognition as Mr Scott clears up this terrible injustice that was brought on my people. We have been the principled, yet terribly traumatized nation that has had to fight off invaders many times in our history, often with huge sacrifices, from Turks, to Austrians and Germans and only to be obliterated by the US in 1999. We have stood proudly and sacrificed as much if not more than any allied nation in WW's. Yet, we got the long end of the bat for the past decades because of our friendly relations to Russia
The Serbs must be the most well educated people in Europe on how US propaganda works. Coming from a NATO country (Norway), the media at the time was overwhelmingly serbophobic. The russophobia today is of the same type, much louder, though.
I listened to the interview of Putin and looked for additional information on the Internet. That's how I came to this channel. Scott Horton is an excellent scholar of geopolitics
You mean Carlson's interview, where Putin says Poland was responsible for its being invaded and the brutal occupation which followed where 6 million Polish civilians died because it refused to hand over its territory to Nazi Germany. That interview? But as Scott homself famously said, Who cares about Warsaw. So we shouldn't care either I guess.
I don't think so at all. According to him if the allied forces would have given in to Hitler and gave him Danzig he hadn't started war all over Europe. This is highly debatable, to say the least. Hitler had bigger plans in mind. The same seems to be true for Putin unfortunately.
@@rene78 So you chose to go with the mainstream western proapangandaized narrative in both cases despite listening to the mountain of evidence Scott Horton laid forward. What a numbskull you truly are.
A good starting point would be John Keegan's books on the First and Second World Wars. Then compare notes with what this guy says. A lot of inaccuracies in his monologue.
@@matthewj3892 Well most obviously there is his confident assertion that Hitler would have just stopped if he'd gotten Danzig. The fact that he's so confident about knowing exactly what this dictator from nearly a century ago would definitely have done should be enough of a red flag to discount everything this man says as (to put it generously) heavily biased. Hitler would not have stopped. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to his plans to conquer Europe. Why else was he building such an immense army?
A good follow up question might be to inquire if he agrees that Putin was violating the terms of the INF secretly (by testing intermediate range missiles)
From what I understood it was the European countries that wanted this all or nothing surrender of Germany and made them pay all of these reparations for their aggression which led to the hyperinflation and clasps of their currency. The American delegation warned against doing this but were out voted by the European delegations.
It's criminal how both sides suppressed Ron Paul during his run for Presidency. He is a true Libertarian. However had he been able to be voted in fairly, he'd probably been JFK'ed.
The scariest part about listening to Scott is that I along with a lot of others know a little bit about every point he raises and it still won't mean a damn in influencing our "leaders"because it's just so fucked up. Nothing seems to penetrate their perceptions and nothing changes their assumptions. I don't know how you can fix people who have been spoonfed their own bullshit and taught to love themselves beyond reason because, they know that if the people ever get the chance to gain power over them they would drag their bodies through the streets.I admire your determined frame of mind, Scott, and your dogged outrage towards these engineers of so much suffering. I'm still able to acknowledge my frustration with it all but I don't practice a daily liturgy anymore. That said...I still believe that the weight of a more correct world view inches us towards a more fair equilibrium.
There is nothing bad about resisting countries which think it's okay to deport tens of thousands of kids, separating them from their parents for life, tellling them their patents didn't love them, and telling them their country doesn't exist. Having just read a little book about the parachute drops at Nijmegen and Arnhem, I'm proud to come from a country which fights this bloody evil.
Feels like every day, I learn something that makes the crazy world feel even crazier. I knew the narrative was skewed toward Ukraine in everything that's going on, I just didn't know how or to what end. A lot of discussions I've had posed the question "why would Russia invade if they knew it would destroy them economically?", but nobody's brought up the possibility that they feel like it's the only way to stand their ground against an ever encroaching empire. There's a LOT to take in here, and I'm sure I didn't absorb it all in one go, but it helps with awareness as far as who's trying to push what story for what reason. You don't have to side with Russia to understand why they're doing what they're doing, and when the media wants to cut you off from that understanding, it makes it all the more invaluable.
I very much support this topic and the different perspective, but I think the interview is lacking in hard questions and sources for what is being claimed.
This guy is an idiot. I’m gobsmacked how many people don’t know the history and fall for this Russian propaganda. I’ve been through the war and am a history enthusiast. This guy is twisting everything, laterally everything and yet there are so many dickheads falling for it. I wish I could take them all to Ukraine to give them some hardship and some life lessons. Peter shouldn’t conduct discussion like this while not being able to challenge this guys I’ll views.
omg! In australia i didnt even learn about world wars, had no idea. Catching up quickly, thankyou utube and scott...and this channel....so sick of all the lies.
The Empire is indeed "relentless" as Scott recounted. Comrade Lenin said, "You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw” Lenin said that. America listened.
The youtube lecture "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" by prof. John Mearsheimer, Univercity of Chicago, is a great starting point for the historic context.
Lots of stuff this guy said is just plain wrong. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about though so anyone who doesn't know their history is likely to be taken in by it. Go independent media!
He didn't say that. He said that Poland was given a word/promise of support and was asked NOT to negotiate with Germany about something that was reasonable, after the absurd UNNECESSARY humiliation of the Versailles treaty. Sorry but if you understood what you wrote, it's on you. He said that it was a whole complex interaction between many moronic decisions that let to WWII, beginning with the intervention of the US in WWI. Re-listen before writing emotional dumb stuff.
This was certainly one person’s interpretation of the history of war. I would have liked to have watched a panel of a couple of people (maybe a PHD) who could debate the narrative that Scott laid out. It was obvious where his biases lay and I would have liked a real time point/counterpoint discussion. At the end it would have been great to hear Scott’s solution to the Ukraine War not his defense of Trump and the stolen election.
Can you imagine if Trump were president of Ukraine during the attack of his country by Russia and America offered him safe passage to their country. You think he would have stayed to lead Ukraine through this battle? HELL NO!! He would have cut and run to America like the true coward he is. This Ukraine president is showing the world what true leadership looks like. 👍✌
@@Mercian99 truth has a pro Russia bias these days. Look up Scott Horton debates Bill Kristol, and what that neocon get wrecked. Scott has written two books I suggest you read them. His work has citations
You have access to the internet and all this is publicly available if you only take the time to dig for it. Go straight to the source as much as possible, instead of reading articles msm articles, but you have to, read it all the way through and with a critical eye and you’ll catch glimpses where they admit the truth between their narratives.
13:42 The Poles wouldn't have been in a position to negotiate anything. Hitler was determined to invade Poland and subsequently attacked Poland because he wanted Germans to inhabit the area. He considered the Polish population inferior and only suitable for labour. In the last three months of 1939, the Nazis murdered some 65,000 Jewish and non-Jewish Poles. The National Socialists accused the Jews of having caused Germany's social, economic, political and cultural problems. They held them particularly responsible for Germany's defeat in the First World War (1914-1918). Some Germans were receptive to the Nazis' claims. The frustration over the lost war and the resulting economic and political crises contributed to the rise of anti-Semitism in German society. The instability of Germany during the Weimar Republic (1918-1933), the fear of communism and the economic shocks caused by the Great Depression made many Germans susceptible to National Socialist ideas, including anti-Semitism.
Forget CNN. And forget this guy. Read John Keegan's books on the First and Second World Wars. You'll see that things happened differently from how this guy says it.
It seems the counter argument is always the same, “yeah but putin is bad”. They basically agree all of what Scott said is true but claim it was with good intentions, such as nato being a benign defensive alliance for the greater good, and that Putin uses all these actions as an excuse to cover for his true motivation of reconquering USSR/greater Russia.
I can tell by the look on your face Peter that you might regret your recent tweets about Putin and the situation in the Ukraine. Great interview. Keep up the good work. Go Bedford (just bought a sweatshirt).
Peter I really like your podcast. I normally watch them for Bitcoin, but this one was really interesting and really good. Keep up the good work man and keep making these extraordanary podcasts 😉
How and why did the Ukraine war start? The US state department CIA coup d'etat in 2014, was after the many warnings by Putin going back to 2004 which were ignored. Sadly most people don't realise the start of Ukraine war in 2014, was after the Ukraine government rejected IMF and World bank loans, these had draconian rules on privatization, of Ukraine infrastructure and sale of agriculture land, mining rights and industry all must be available for sale, as collateral for the loans, this also included austerity measures on public servants and all pensions. Ukraine rejected this offer, then took a slightly lesser Russian loan, offered by Putin, which included "neutrality for Ukraine" and a promised 33% price discount on the wholesale price of gas, a big help to their economy. Ukraine would have kept control of all their resources and territories. This angered the multinationals, who were behind the IMF and World banks and triggered the coup d'etat in Kyiv 2014, which was led by US state department-CIA, they use their propaganda machine to, fear Russia and incite riots in the capital Kyiv, many US politicians turned up for the protests/riots, even Victoria Nuland was there handing out cookies and manipulating the facts. The first casualty of war is the truth. The US state department, CIA then backed the small Ukrainian opposition, these were full of Neo Nazis fascist, they banned all Russian speaking media outlets, they hated the Russians living in Eastern Ukraine, with a long ugly history towards those people, who were also excluded, from the 2014 electrol vote. The vast majority of Eastern Ukrainian citizens, emergency workers and police rebelled against this Kyiv government, due to the ban on Russian language, the Eastern Orthodox church and destruction of Soviet war memorials etc. Even the Minsk agreements, were just a NATO delaying ploy, backed by Germany and France, to build up the Ukraine war machine. It's all about greed, hatred & $€£¥. No state can compete with western MSM propaganda from Washington, US state department lies and fear mongering, can travel around the world, while the truth is still sleeping.
Imagine if Scott Horton went on to Joe Rogan's podcast and said exactly what he said in this podcast. The response from the Government, MSM, Hollywood, etc would be f*cking insane because that episode would put such a massive dent into the official narrative that's being pushed.
Rogains handlers wouldn't allow it.
He apparently has a show with Jocko releasing soon
Dave Smith has shouted him out on Rogan multiple times
Hell Yeah!!!! Make it SO! Anyone have Rogan's producer Jamie's email. Bombard them.
I was about to make teh same comment. For much less, Rogan got into much more trouble. Great interview, nonetheless. Just need to fact check. But I Don t need for this podcast to be canceled just because a controversial topic was discussed.
Opinion; Scott deserves a Nobel prize for his years of effort.
And his esteemed guest list on his podcast!
We should probably create new prize honestly. The Nobel is a joke.
Nobel Prize is for warmongers
scott is a fuk wit. scott ritter deserves a nobel
This US Empire makes people concerned about gender more worrying since that is the sign of an ending empire.
Im about 10,000 hours of podcasts over the last 15 years and this is in my top 5. Nice interview Pete.
could you suggest your top 10?
Scott is the GOAT on foreign policy
thats sad
@@jeffhicks8428bill kristol detected
Wow I'm amazed by Scott Horton's sheer broad knowledge of history and geopolitics. I as a half Ukrainian/russian myself often find myself misunderstood by many people around me here in Germany, telling the same exact things scott is talking about here just not as precise. I hope Scott gets the chance to be on Joe rogan someday. Wish him the best. This is one of the best episodes.
Fastastic interview!!! So much context that is absolutely imperative we hear.
"People are full of opinions without knowing much". Great quote.
Scott’s the best.
What I found in asking people random topical questions, is even tho they have no knowledge of the question asked ( spare me some leeway here) they would always have an opinion regardless of wether their informed on the question or not. I guess the take home point is, no one wants to look stupid?
@@armondeushon7892 lol that's exactly how to look stupid. Not knowing something and acknowledging that is how you learn. That's not stupid, that's ignorance and showing capacity to learn. The typ0ical American outlook of knowing little about little and most of what you think you know is wrong anyway but having very strong very emotional opinions about everything. That is the definition of stupid. Someone that thinks they know it all learns nothing. It's self evident.
like scott horton on economics or political economy
This is the quote I came here to relisten to this podcast for.
Peter I've been watching channel since I got into Bitcoin during the lockdown and your channel has been inavluable to me. Having said all that I've also been acutely aware of the background to the Russia-Ukraine conflict and the truth that we are not being told. I thought this foray into geo-politics and your guest made this the best episode I have ever watched it was phenominal. I know you have stated that you regret calling the channel what bitcoin did because you have felt it prevented you from going into other areas but guess what you just showed it doesn't in spectacular fashion thank you and bravo fella. I'll be buying a bedford shirt asap.
Totally agree! Amazing episode, made a new subscriber out of me 🎉
Peter, I looked at the links in your show notes. It's unbelievable how thorough you and your team are. Your work is greatly appreciated. This, like all the others, is a great episode.
This was fantastic. I will have to listen to this a few times to assimilate all the information Scott puts out there.
"People are full of opinions without knowing anything". Right you are, Scott Horton. Thank you for this wealth of information.
Scott is a big hero, ty for this
I am honestly baffled by this level of recall. I guess you have to be born with this trait. Even had I read as much as Scott Horton has, I wouldn’t have half the bandwidth sadly
Just saw this guy on Glenn Greenwalds show. Searched for him and found this. It’s SCARY his amount of recall with exact dates, foreign names, specific locations, etc. He’s actually amazing
@@MrBoDiggetythe man has an amazing brain.
i think his passion plays a part
@@MrBoDiggety even page numbers in books!!
This one was amazing. It is good to understand that some of the people understand the big game
WOW. This was one of the most interesting, worthwhile 2 hours of listening I've experienced in a long time... Thank you!!
Longtime Scott Horton follower. He is the GOAT on foreign policy. Pete's face throughout this entire interview is also GOAT.
The problem with Scott's totally on point analogy about Russia couping Ottawa, is that most Americans are completely incapable of viewing the world though anything other than an American lens. I know this from decades of debating them. I have made similar analogies hoping for understanding, but all that ever happens is that my interlocutor will pause for a moment and, in all seriousness, tell me that "When America does it, it's for the best of reasons. It's for Freedom. It's different."
So true
Actually, the problem is equating NATO with Russian alliances like the CSTO or whatever else. These groups mostly work with dictators like Lukashenko or that guy in Kazakhstan. If you need context for the fall of the USSR, Poland for instance, had no choice in their inclusion in the Warsaw Pact, but on the contrary, joined NATO voluntarily. Do you really need to ask why Poland or East Germany don't care about Gorbachav's feelings being hurt? People like Scott Horton view this as the US stealing Poland, or the US provoking Russia, but its actually a form of self-liberation. Scott doesn't really seem to view Eastern European countries as autonomous agents. His own words say as much when he says "the US took Ukraine from Russia." Funny... I thought the commonwealth of independent nations guaranteed their independence and sovereignty during the Belovezha Accords. Does Scott think this was BS also?
What people don't realize is that its agreements with Russia, like when Churchill and Truman gave all of Eastern Europe to Stalin, largely created need or even desire for NATO expansion. Being the Soviets' bitch for 50 years happens to be the biggest provocation possible.
While you're right that Americans tend to be pretty Americentric, they didn't get that way using the same ways Russia became so isolated. While what America did in Latin Ameica was undoubtedly bad, it was during the Cold War against communist totalitarian regimes like Fidel Castro or Daniel Ortega. What Russia did was invade a country on the pretense of it leaving its sphere of influence. It's slightly different
Russia invaded because the people in the east in the Donbas asked them. They had been shelled since 2014 by their own Govt .
The coup in 2014 in Ukraine (backed by the US ) was when the war started.
It is different. As someone who has spent 5 years living in Russia, I can very well understand the desire of their former satellites not to live like them, but like us. Come and experience Russia for yourself. There is a labor shortage here. As to the coup, millions of people protested for months, and they didn't do it for the cookies. Ukranians have been trying to escape Russian domination since 1709, way before the USA existed, and when Ottowa was still called Yorktown. Scott downplays human agency, and he downplays the long history of resistence to Russian rule.
@@acidthunder1I’m sorry but that is russian propaganda. They (Russia) went in covertly to Donbas with troops 2014. Been there infiltrating business and politics before that. There were no ”call from the people”. It was a fake request from installed local Kremlin puppet politicians. OSCE were there on the ground 2014-2022. No genocide or ethnic cleansing has ever been reported by them, as often cited by Putinistas as the reason for the ”SMO”. It is Kremlin propaganda. Lies. Putin wants to control Ukraine and come up with fake motives for invading when Ukrainians rather belong to Europe and want to create a Ukraine built on democratic principles and rule of law. Free from Russian influence and the corruption that comes with it.
This was so eye opening. I wish truth came to light in every newscast across the world without bias or partisanship.
Yes. But instead the media is used to tell us *what* to think instead of the truth. It is the mouth of evil.
Thank you for covering this complex subject with the details you'd never hear in the American mainstream 👍☮️
Go to Scott's YT channel for a master class on US Foreign Policy, "which never changes" - Scott
Peter, I love your podcast regardless if you discuss bitcoin or not. Everyone should be informed of what is going on and I appreciate you educating us.
But Please have another voices on this toppic, this guy is reapiting russian propaganda.
Excellent podcast man, loved it! Please continue this discussion in the future. Thank you!
Really an excellent video , RUclips channel. I Admire the honestly / humility of the guest. Merci beaucoup
Wow, what an unbelievable episode and Scott changes the whole picture of the story.
His conclusion is just valid for both sides, we need a new generation of politicians not trying to defeat the other side but to collaborate on a global basis!
Tks. Outstanding. I'm amazed it hasn't been de-platformed already.
This was amazing! The way Scott processes all that information and puts it out with such coherence, is the kind of ability that can put one in harm's way...
this is absolutely horrifying and disgusting at the same time.
history is a tower build on lies.
Scott’s an OG of the field. He tells it like it is. What. A. GOAT.
I'd be interested in his take on the activities of the FSB and Ivan Girkin in Donbas pre 2014 insurrection. I mean, Girkin has literally said that he manufactured the crisis there. He's sitting jn jail in Russia right now.
I strongly support these non-BC conversations. Don’t be one dimensional. You could literally be the next Joe Rogan. The Eric Weinstein interview was brilliant. Keep it up.
That’s a good point. Peters a great interviewer. Able to talk with a variety of people different perspectives and personalities with an open mind.
Ya and I could be the next Tom Brady.. also, I don’t think you understand the world “literally.”
On top of that, other topics will draw a way more diverse crowd who might get drawn into BTC because of that.
@@ryed8118 russel brand next (or has he already been on - lemme check)
It may have been hard to sit through all that in person but thank you for letting Scott unload on you.
I enjoyed the listen, learned a LOT and will definitely be back for more :)
Why would it be hard?
Scott Horton is a great guest to bring on, he's super knowledgeable and always willing to point out the emperor has no clothes. Still fondly remembering his recent debate with neocon chickenhawk Bill Kristol who he crushed. Haven't tuned into your podcast in awhile but I'm definitely checking out this one.
Scott's knowledge is incredible.
Propoganda*
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lpgo away child
It’s incredible the detail he has WITH NO NOTES too.
I don’t like American imperialism but I am also skeptical of some of what was said here. I think it’s important to take in many sources and points of view to form your own opinion, so it’s valuable to listen to this one.
agreed, a lot of russian apologies here. truth is usually in the middle, both american imperialism and authoritarian power grabs can exist at the same time.
Its true but it is without doubt the cause of this conflict in Ukraine and is without doubt the real "empire of evil" for the past 25 years at least.
I do think it's important to take into consideration many sources but please, just read into Iraq, Libya , Afghanistan etc. and come back and tell me if you look into this with this much skepticism...
It's good to be skeptical. It's better to be educated. Debunk it if it's false.
There is 200% hindsight is 20-20 in the historical chronology and logic here. And alot if apologist bs mixed in too. Cutting off oil sales to a nation is not a declaration of war. The US was not a vessal of the Japanese empire- therefore they are free to sell oil to whoever they want to. Same with Britain and Poland. Britain can offer a guarantee to defend Poland from German aggression. This is not responsibility for ww2. The person who actually pulls the trigger is the murderer. "I was forced to do it because they were mean to me" is no defense.
Scott Horton is not “anti-war”; he is merely objective and educated....
So who’s anti-war in your opinion?
He is so objective that he comes to the conclusion that the responsibility is absolutly one-sided... Don't be so naive.
Responsibility is one sided because the violence is from one side
An absolute episode Peter! I was listening with an open mouth all the time as how knowledgable Scott is.
Very interesting interview. Thank you Scott!
Huge fan of Scott Horton. I was excited to see you did this.
Wow. Mind blown. Great episode. Informative, challenging and thought provoking. Like you I now need to go and verify as much of this as possible. Keep up the great work. EP2 asap pls.
I really wish you guys would put time stamps on these 2 hours conversations...
There is but the sections are quite long. I missed it at first
This was brilliant, best interview I've seen in a very long time!
This is the best episode you’ve done man, Scott is right.
Incredible episode. Thanks Gents!
His recollection of exact dates, foreign names, sequential dates, historical knowledge, and not getting tongue tied and not using a single note is just straight up SCARY genius
mind is blown ... love this guy
one of the best interviews you had on this channel
I'm here. And I'm pumped.
1:38:33 This part brought me so much sadness and anger, but also pride and relief of recognition as Mr Scott clears up this terrible injustice that was brought on my people. We have been the principled, yet terribly traumatized nation that has had to fight off invaders many times in our history, often with huge sacrifices, from Turks, to Austrians and Germans and only to be obliterated by the US in 1999.
We have stood proudly and sacrificed as much if not more than any allied nation in WW's. Yet, we got the long end of the bat for the past decades because of our friendly relations to Russia
The Serbs must be the most well educated people in Europe on how US propaganda works. Coming from a NATO country (Norway), the media at the time was overwhelmingly serbophobic. The russophobia today is of the same type, much louder, though.
This man speaks for the silent majority…Truth brother!
Let there be peace. ✌
My lord! i haven't heard so many stories , since 7th grade! summer 82!; This guy is a great story teller! Austin Weird!
I listened to the interview of Putin and looked for additional information on the Internet. That's how I came to this channel. Scott Horton is an excellent scholar of geopolitics
You mean Carlson's interview, where Putin says Poland was responsible for its being invaded and the brutal occupation which followed where 6 million Polish civilians died because it refused to hand over its territory to Nazi Germany. That interview? But as Scott homself famously said, Who cares about Warsaw. So we shouldn't care either I guess.
A great guest. Thank you Peter. I didn't know Scott before, but he's clearly a man of great knowledge and integrity.
Fantastic interview (both parties.) I'd say Scott Horton is a national treasure, but I don't want him locked away in the Smithsonian.
Simply amazing, Peter. Thanks.
Scott's perspective on ww2 is spot on
I don't think so at all. According to him if the allied forces would have given in to Hitler and gave him Danzig he hadn't started war all over Europe. This is highly debatable, to say the least.
Hitler had bigger plans in mind. The same seems to be true for Putin unfortunately.
@@rene78 So you chose to go with the mainstream western proapangandaized narrative in both cases despite listening to the mountain of evidence Scott Horton laid forward.
What a numbskull you truly are.
@@rene78what are Putin’s bigger plans?
Putin is not interested in expansion. Watch all his speeches
It's criminal that this masterpiece has only 50k views.
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Peter a reading list would be really awesome. Would love to dive deeper into what Scott Horton talked about.
A good starting point would be John Keegan's books on the First and Second World Wars. Then compare notes with what this guy says. A lot of inaccuracies in his monologue.
@@3LARI which part is inaccurate? Could you be more specific?
@@matthewj3892 Well most obviously there is his confident assertion that Hitler would have just stopped if he'd gotten Danzig. The fact that he's so confident about knowing exactly what this dictator from nearly a century ago would definitely have done should be enough of a red flag to discount everything this man says as (to put it generously) heavily biased.
Hitler would not have stopped. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to his plans to conquer Europe. Why else was he building such an immense army?
Pat Buchanan interviews on ww's are key
Another great conversation! The Adam Curtis documentary’s are so good too
I wish this had 10 million views. More of the world needs to see this. Great to see this on your podcast, peter.
A good follow up question might be to inquire if he agrees that Putin was violating the terms of the INF secretly (by testing intermediate range missiles)
From what I understood it was the European countries that wanted this all or nothing surrender of Germany and made them pay all of these reparations for their aggression which led to the hyperinflation and clasps of their currency. The American delegation warned against doing this but were out voted by the European delegations.
Yes that's true, although America didn't put up much resistance and just agreed to go along with Britain and France.
This is a great conversation mahn 💪🏿👊🏾
Weird how all our historical enemies are cartoon villains.
Makes me think.
Well I’m a libertarian now 😂 wow what a great interview
It's criminal how both sides suppressed Ron Paul during his run for Presidency. He is a true Libertarian. However had he been able to be voted in fairly, he'd probably been JFK'ed.
Wooowww Congratulations to Scott ❤!!! What a clear view free of bullshit of what really happened in Europe in ww2 !!!!
The scariest part about listening to Scott is that I along with a lot of others know a little bit about every point he raises and it still won't mean a damn in influencing our "leaders"because it's just so fucked up. Nothing seems to penetrate their perceptions and nothing changes their assumptions. I don't know how you can fix people who have been spoonfed their own bullshit and taught to love themselves beyond reason because, they know that if the people ever get the chance to gain power over them they would drag their bodies through the streets.I admire your determined frame of mind, Scott, and your dogged outrage towards these engineers of so much suffering. I'm still able to acknowledge my frustration with it all but I don't practice a daily liturgy anymore. That said...I still believe that the weight of a more correct world view inches us towards a more fair equilibrium.
There is nothing bad about resisting countries which think it's okay to deport tens of thousands of kids, separating them from their parents for life, tellling them their patents didn't love them, and telling them their country doesn't exist. Having just read a little book about the parachute drops at Nijmegen and Arnhem, I'm proud to come from a country which fights this bloody evil.
Scott did good job explaining
I remember when condi rice was embarrassed by the Georgian president "You had said you would be here for us if we went in!"
Amazing show!
Every thing scott said is 💯 percent factz.
Feels like every day, I learn something that makes the crazy world feel even crazier. I knew the narrative was skewed toward Ukraine in everything that's going on, I just didn't know how or to what end. A lot of discussions I've had posed the question "why would Russia invade if they knew it would destroy them economically?", but nobody's brought up the possibility that they feel like it's the only way to stand their ground against an ever encroaching empire. There's a LOT to take in here, and I'm sure I didn't absorb it all in one go, but it helps with awareness as far as who's trying to push what story for what reason. You don't have to side with Russia to understand why they're doing what they're doing, and when the media wants to cut you off from that understanding, it makes it all the more invaluable.
Thank you.
Been following Scott since the early 2000s and love his work. I am pretty knowledgeable on this history but Scott puts me to shame. Great show!
I very much support this topic and the different perspective, but I think the interview is lacking in hard questions and sources for what is being claimed.
This guy is an idiot. I’m gobsmacked how many people don’t know the history and fall for this Russian propaganda.
I’ve been through the war and am a history enthusiast. This guy is twisting everything, laterally everything and yet there are so many dickheads falling for it. I wish I could take them all to Ukraine to give them some hardship and some life lessons. Peter shouldn’t conduct discussion like this while not being able to challenge this guys I’ll views.
Happy to see Scott Horton on a big platform besides fox
thank you scott
omg! In australia i didnt even learn about world wars, had no idea. Catching up quickly, thankyou utube and scott...and this channel....so sick of all the lies.
This is 100% gonna be taken down by RUclips. Glad I caught it early 🤣😂
People need to start talking about this spread the word..
Great rant 👍👍
Where are Horton's links, as promised at 39:04 ??
I just saw Scott last weekend at the NJLP Convention.
The Empire is indeed "relentless" as Scott recounted. Comrade Lenin said, "You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”
Lenin said that. America listened.
Scott Let's Goooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very interesting interview. I would love to hear more on this topic
The youtube lecture "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" by prof. John Mearsheimer, Univercity of Chicago, is a great starting point for the historic context.
To say WWII wouldn’t have happened if Poland would have given Hitler a corridor to Danzig is beyond moronic, lost me right there…
Why do you say that?
Lots of stuff this guy said is just plain wrong. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about though so anyone who doesn't know their history is likely to be taken in by it. Go independent media!
He didn't say that. He said that Poland was given a word/promise of support and was asked NOT to negotiate with Germany about something that was reasonable, after the absurd UNNECESSARY humiliation of the Versailles treaty. Sorry but if you understood what you wrote, it's on you. He said that it was a whole complex interaction between many moronic decisions that let to WWII, beginning with the intervention of the US in WWI. Re-listen before writing emotional dumb stuff.
Wew, this was a brave one to do, might enlighten a lot of people about how gaslit the Western public is by the mainstream media on this topic.
This was certainly one person’s interpretation of the history of war. I would have liked to have watched a panel of a couple of people (maybe a PHD) who could debate the narrative that Scott laid out. It was obvious where his biases lay and I would have liked a real time point/counterpoint discussion. At the end it would have been great to hear Scott’s solution to the Ukraine War not his defense of Trump and the stolen election.
Can you imagine if Trump were president of Ukraine during the attack of his country by Russia and America offered him safe passage to their country. You think he would have stayed to lead Ukraine through this battle? HELL NO!! He would have cut and run to America like the true coward he is. This Ukraine president is showing the world what true leadership looks like. 👍✌
I too detected a lot of bias for someone who claims to be ‘non-partisan’
@@Mercian99 truth has a pro Russia bias these days.
Look up Scott Horton debates Bill Kristol, and what that neocon get wrecked. Scott has written two books I suggest you read them. His work has citations
You have access to the internet and all this is publicly available if you only take the time to dig for it. Go straight to the source as much as possible, instead of reading articles msm articles, but you have to, read it all the way through and with a critical eye and you’ll catch glimpses where they admit the truth between their narratives.
If u want to hear an academic speak about Ukraine, look up Nicolai petro, Steven cohen, John mearsheimer.
13:42 The Poles wouldn't have been in a position to negotiate anything. Hitler was determined to invade Poland and subsequently attacked Poland because he wanted Germans to inhabit the area. He considered the Polish population inferior and only suitable for labour. In the last three months of 1939, the Nazis murdered some 65,000 Jewish and non-Jewish Poles. The National Socialists accused the Jews of having caused Germany's social, economic, political and cultural problems. They held them particularly responsible for Germany's defeat in the First World War (1914-1918). Some Germans were receptive to the Nazis' claims. The frustration over the lost war and the resulting economic and political crises contributed to the rise of anti-Semitism in German society. The instability of Germany during the Weimar Republic (1918-1933), the fear of communism and the economic shocks caused by the Great Depression made many Germans susceptible to National Socialist ideas, including anti-Semitism.
They also were doing terrorism in Germany and elsewhere which resulted in arrests and the media referred to these arrests as atrocities
I just hope youtube does not censor this video. Real eye opener.
It would have been good if there was someone on the pod to challenge Scott a little on some of the things he said.
Just watch CNN for counterpoints
Forget CNN. And forget this guy. Read John Keegan's books on the First and Second World Wars. You'll see that things happened differently from how this guy says it.
Do you feel the same way watching state department sponsored corporate news outlets?
It seems the counter argument is always the same, “yeah but putin is bad”. They basically agree all of what Scott said is true but claim it was with good intentions, such as nato being a benign defensive alliance for the greater good, and that Putin uses all these actions as an excuse to cover for his true motivation of reconquering USSR/greater Russia.
I can tell by the look on your face Peter that you might regret your recent tweets about Putin and the situation in the Ukraine. Great interview. Keep up the good work. Go Bedford (just bought a sweatshirt).
Excellent episode!
God, Scott Horton is a national treasure.
Peter I really like your podcast. I normally watch them for Bitcoin, but this one was really interesting and really good. Keep up the good work man and keep making these extraordanary podcasts 😉
PRODUCTION VALUE IS AMAZING NOW !
Scott should be sponsored by Dr Pepper 😂
Scott!!!
Great interview
Putin at the Munich conference in 2007 explains his security concerns about NATO creep to the east. Everyone needs to watch it , for context
How and why did the Ukraine war start?
The US state department CIA coup d'etat in 2014, was after the many warnings by Putin going back to 2004 which were ignored. Sadly most people don't realise the start of Ukraine war in 2014, was after the Ukraine government rejected IMF and World bank loans, these had draconian rules on privatization, of Ukraine infrastructure and sale of agriculture land, mining rights and industry all must be available for sale, as collateral for the loans, this also included austerity measures on public servants and all pensions.
Ukraine rejected this offer, then took a slightly lesser Russian loan, offered by Putin, which included "neutrality for Ukraine" and a promised 33% price discount on the wholesale price of gas, a big help to their economy.
Ukraine would have kept control of all their resources and territories. This angered the multinationals, who were behind the IMF and World banks and triggered the coup d'etat in Kyiv 2014, which was led by US state department-CIA, they use their propaganda machine to, fear Russia and incite riots in the capital Kyiv, many US politicians turned up for the protests/riots, even Victoria Nuland was there handing out cookies and manipulating the facts. The first casualty of war is the truth.
The US state department, CIA then backed the small Ukrainian opposition, these were full of Neo Nazis fascist, they banned all Russian speaking media outlets, they hated the Russians living in Eastern Ukraine, with a long ugly history towards those people, who were also excluded, from the 2014 electrol vote.
The vast majority of Eastern Ukrainian citizens, emergency workers and police rebelled against this Kyiv government, due to the ban on Russian language, the Eastern Orthodox church and destruction of Soviet war memorials etc. Even the Minsk agreements, were just a NATO delaying ploy, backed by Germany and France, to build up the Ukraine war machine.
It's all about greed, hatred & $€£¥.
No state can compete with western MSM propaganda from Washington, US state department lies and fear mongering, can travel around the world, while the truth is still sleeping.
2014 was a response to 2013. Where Putin tried to blackmail Ukraine into rejecting a trade deal with the EU.