The Background to the Russia-Ukraine War with Scott Horton
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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Scott Horton is an anti-war radio host, podcaster, and author. In this interview, we discuss whether there are any just wars, the Ukraine/Russia conflict, and how a chain reaction of misunderstood events going back to WW1 got us here.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:55Has there ever been a just war?
00:23:15 The Ukraine conflict from Russia’s perspective
00:35:40 The US’s Ukrainian Strategy
00:55:59 Provoking Russia: NATO expansion
01:11:19 Clinton’s and Bush’s Russian engagement
01:32:53 Obama’s and Trump’s Russian engagement
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“You hear this all the time: well, how come Ukraine doesn’t have the right to join whatever military alliance they want? You hear that every day, all day, well, just think about that. Is that really true? Is anyone thinking for a minute that Canada and Mexico have the right to join into a military alliance with Russia and China? Or is that absolutely preposterous?”
- Scott Horton
Scott Horton is an anti-war radio host, podcaster, and author. In this interview, we discuss whether there are any just wars, the Ukraine/Russia conflict, and how a chain reaction of misunderstood events going back to WW1 got us here.
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History is not necessarily objective: observers are usually partisan, and chroniclers of collected stories have their own subjective biases that can affect the evidence base. These issues are most pronounced in the records of wars. This is because history is written by the victors.
Mainstream presentation of the history of wars rarely credits divergent interpretations. The major conflicts that involve a given nation-state, particularly those that support politically advantageous mythologies, are treated as being self-evident. Opposing analysis is given the pejorative label of ‘conspiracy theory’.
Yet, could the history of our current civilization be open to new explanations? Is there sufficient evidence, maybe hidden in plain sight, that would cast a different light on events? Could the official version be wrong? Was the rationale and motivation for pivotal decisions, which have changed the trajectory of life on earth, different to the commonly accepted understanding?
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Opinion; Scott deserves a Nobel prize for his years of effort.
And his esteemed guest list on his podcast!
We should probably create new prize honestly. The Nobel is a joke.
Nobel Prize is for warmongers
scott is a fuk wit. scott ritter deserves a nobel
This US Empire makes people concerned about gender more worrying since that is the sign of an ending empire.
Imagine if Scott Horton went on to Joe Rogan's podcast and said exactly what he said in this podcast. The response from the Government, MSM, Hollywood, etc would be f*cking insane because that episode would put such a massive dent into the official narrative that's being pushed.
Rogains handlers wouldn't allow it.
He apparently has a show with Jocko releasing soon
Dave Smith has shouted him out on Rogan multiple times
Hell Yeah!!!! Make it SO! Anyone have Rogan's producer Jamie's email. Bombard them.
I would hope joe would push back a little. Because there are a lot of holes in his story.
Scott's knowledge is incredible.
"People are full of opinions without knowing much". Great quote.
Scott’s the best.
What I found in asking people random topical questions, is even tho they have no knowledge of the question asked ( spare me some leeway here) they would always have an opinion regardless of wether their informed on the question or not. I guess the take home point is, no one wants to look stupid?
@@armondeushon7892 lol that's exactly how to look stupid. Not knowing something and acknowledging that is how you learn. That's not stupid, that's ignorance and showing capacity to learn. The typ0ical American outlook of knowing little about little and most of what you think you know is wrong anyway but having very strong very emotional opinions about everything. That is the definition of stupid. Someone that thinks they know it all learns nothing. It's self evident.
like scott horton on economics or political economy
This is the quote I came here to relisten to this podcast for.
The problem with Scott's totally on point analogy about Russia couping Ottawa, is that most Americans are completely incapable of viewing the world though anything other than an American lens. I know this from decades of debating them. I have made similar analogies hoping for understanding, but all that ever happens is that my interlocutor will pause for a moment and, in all seriousness, tell me that "When America does it, it's for the best of reasons. It's for Freedom. It's different."
So true
Im about 10,000 hours of podcasts over the last 15 years and this is in my top 5. Nice interview Pete.
could you suggest your top 10?
Scott is the GOAT on foreign policy
thats sad
@@jeffhicks8428bill kristol detected
Wow I'm amazed by Scott Horton's sheer broad knowledge of history and geopolitics. I as a half Ukrainian/russian myself often find myself misunderstood by many people around me here in Germany, telling the same exact things scott is talking about here just not as precise. I hope Scott gets the chance to be on Joe rogan someday. Wish him the best. This is one of the best episodes.
Peter I've been watching channel since I got into Bitcoin during the lockdown and your channel has been inavluable to me. Having said all that I've also been acutely aware of the background to the Russia-Ukraine conflict and the truth that we are not being told. I thought this foray into geo-politics and your guest made this the best episode I have ever watched it was phenominal. I know you have stated that you regret calling the channel what bitcoin did because you have felt it prevented you from going into other areas but guess what you just showed it doesn't in spectacular fashion thank you and bravo fella. I'll be buying a bedford shirt asap.
Totally agree! Amazing episode, made a new subscriber out of me 🎉
Peter, I looked at the links in your show notes. It's unbelievable how thorough you and your team are. Your work is greatly appreciated. This, like all the others, is a great episode.
"People are full of opinions without knowing anything". Right you are, Scott Horton. Thank you for this wealth of information.
This was fantastic. I will have to listen to this a few times to assimilate all the information Scott puts out there.
Fastastic interview!!! So much context that is absolutely imperative we hear.
This was so eye opening. I wish truth came to light in every newscast across the world without bias or partisanship.
Yes. But instead the media is used to tell us *what* to think instead of the truth. It is the mouth of evil.
Scott Horton is not “anti-war”; he is merely objective and educated....
So who’s anti-war in your opinion?
He is so objective that he comes to the conclusion that the responsibility is absolutly one-sided... Don't be so naive.
Responsibility is one sided because the violence is from one side
Longtime Scott Horton follower. He is the GOAT on foreign policy. Pete's face throughout this entire interview is also GOAT.
Peter, I love your podcast regardless if you discuss bitcoin or not. Everyone should be informed of what is going on and I appreciate you educating us.
But Please have another voices on this toppic, this guy is reapiting russian propaganda.
Thank you for covering this complex subject with the details you'd never hear in the American mainstream 👍☮️
Go to Scott's YT channel for a master class on US Foreign Policy, "which never changes" - Scott
This one was amazing. It is good to understand that some of the people understand the big game
I am honestly baffled by this level of recall. I guess you have to be born with this trait. Even had I read as much as Scott Horton has, I wouldn’t have half the bandwidth sadly
Wow, what an unbelievable episode and Scott changes the whole picture of the story.
His conclusion is just valid for both sides, we need a new generation of politicians not trying to defeat the other side but to collaborate on a global basis!
From what I understood it was the European countries that wanted this all or nothing surrender of Germany and made them pay all of these reparations for their aggression which led to the hyperinflation and clasps of their currency. The American delegation warned against doing this but were out voted by the European delegations.
Yes that's true, although America didn't put up much resistance and just agreed to go along with Britain and France.
I don’t like American imperialism but I am also skeptical of some of what was said here. I think it’s important to take in many sources and points of view to form your own opinion, so it’s valuable to listen to this one.
agreed, a lot of russian apologies here. truth is usually in the middle, both american imperialism and authoritarian power grabs can exist at the same time.
Its true but it is without doubt the cause of this conflict in Ukraine and is without doubt the real "empire of evil" for the past 25 years at least.
I do think it's important to take into consideration many sources but please, just read into Iraq, Libya , Afghanistan etc. and come back and tell me if you look into this with this much skepticism...
It's good to be skeptical. It's better to be educated. Debunk it if it's false.
There is 200% hindsight is 20-20 in the historical chronology and logic here. And alot if apologist bs mixed in too. Cutting off oil sales to a nation is not a declaration of war. The US was not a vessal of the Japanese empire- therefore they are free to sell oil to whoever they want to. Same with Britain and Poland. Britain can offer a guarantee to defend Poland from German aggression. This is not responsibility for ww2. The person who actually pulls the trigger is the murderer. "I was forced to do it because they were mean to me" is no defense.
I really wish you guys would put time stamps on these 2 hours conversations...
There is but the sections are quite long. I missed it at first
I listened to the interview of Putin and looked for additional information on the Internet. That's how I came to this channel. Scott Horton is an excellent scholar of geopolitics
Scott’s an OG of the field. He tells it like it is. What. A. GOAT.
WOW. This was one of the most interesting, worthwhile 2 hours of listening I've experienced in a long time... Thank you!!
I strongly support these non-BC conversations. Don’t be one dimensional. You could literally be the next Joe Rogan. The Eric Weinstein interview was brilliant. Keep it up.
That’s a good point. Peters a great interviewer. Able to talk with a variety of people different perspectives and personalities with an open mind.
Ya and I could be the next Tom Brady.. also, I don’t think you understand the world “literally.”
On top of that, other topics will draw a way more diverse crowd who might get drawn into BTC because of that.
@@ryed8118 russel brand next (or has he already been on - lemme check)
Scott Horton is a great guest to bring on, he's super knowledgeable and always willing to point out the emperor has no clothes. Still fondly remembering his recent debate with neocon chickenhawk Bill Kristol who he crushed. Haven't tuned into your podcast in awhile but I'm definitely checking out this one.
This was amazing! The way Scott processes all that information and puts it out with such coherence, is the kind of ability that can put one in harm's way...
Scott's perspective on ww2 is spot on
I don't think so at all. According to him if the allied forces would have given in to Hitler and gave him Danzig he hadn't started war all over Europe. This is highly debatable, to say the least.
Hitler had bigger plans in mind. The same seems to be true for Putin unfortunately.
@@rene78 So you chose to go with the mainstream western proapangandaized narrative in both cases despite listening to the mountain of evidence Scott Horton laid forward.
What a numbskull you truly are.
An absolute episode Peter! I was listening with an open mouth all the time as how knowledgable Scott is.
Scott is a big hero, ty for this
It may have been hard to sit through all that in person but thank you for letting Scott unload on you.
I enjoyed the listen, learned a LOT and will definitely be back for more :)
Why would it be hard?
Let there be peace. ✌
Tks. Outstanding. I'm amazed it hasn't been de-platformed already.
This man speaks for the silent majority…Truth brother!
Excellent podcast man, loved it! Please continue this discussion in the future. Thank you!
one of the best interviews you had on this channel
Weird how all our historical enemies are cartoon villains.
Makes me think.
Simply amazing, Peter. Thanks.
Really an excellent video , RUclips channel. I Admire the honestly / humility of the guest. Merci beaucoup
I'm here. And I'm pumped.
Fantastic interview (both parties.) I'd say Scott Horton is a national treasure, but I don't want him locked away in the Smithsonian.
mind is blown ... love this guy
Huge fan of Scott Horton. I was excited to see you did this.
A great guest. Thank you Peter. I didn't know Scott before, but he's clearly a man of great knowledge and integrity.
Incredible episode. Thanks Gents!
Wooowww Congratulations to Scott ❤!!! What a clear view free of bullshit of what really happened in Europe in ww2 !!!!
Another great conversation! The Adam Curtis documentary’s are so good too
This is the best episode you’ve done man, Scott is right.
I wish this had 10 million views. More of the world needs to see this. Great to see this on your podcast, peter.
A good follow up question might be to inquire if he agrees that Putin was violating the terms of the INF secretly (by testing intermediate range missiles)
1:38:33 This part brought me so much sadness and anger, but also pride and relief of recognition as Mr Scott clears up this terrible injustice that was brought on my people. We have been the principled, yet terribly traumatized nation that has had to fight off invaders many times in our history, often with huge sacrifices, from Turks, to Austrians and Germans and only to be obliterated by the US in 1999.
We have stood proudly and sacrificed as much if not more than any allied nation in WW's. Yet, we got the long end of the bat for the past decades because of our friendly relations to Russia
The Serbs must be the most well educated people in Europe on how US propaganda works. Coming from a NATO country (Norway), the media at the time was overwhelmingly serbophobic. The russophobia today is of the same type, much louder, though.
Thank you.
Very interesting interview. Thank you Scott!
I remember when condi rice was embarrassed by the Georgian president "You had said you would be here for us if we went in!"
Wow. Mind blown. Great episode. Informative, challenging and thought provoking. Like you I now need to go and verify as much of this as possible. Keep up the great work. EP2 asap pls.
Amazing show!
This is a great conversation mahn 💪🏿👊🏾
Happy to see Scott Horton on a big platform besides fox
I very much support this topic and the different perspective, but I think the interview is lacking in hard questions and sources for what is being claimed.
This guy is an idiot. I’m gobsmacked how many people don’t know the history and fall for this Russian propaganda.
I’ve been through the war and am a history enthusiast. This guy is twisting everything, laterally everything and yet there are so many dickheads falling for it. I wish I could take them all to Ukraine to give them some hardship and some life lessons. Peter shouldn’t conduct discussion like this while not being able to challenge this guys I’ll views.
Peter a reading list would be really awesome. Would love to dive deeper into what Scott Horton talked about.
A good starting point would be John Keegan's books on the First and Second World Wars. Then compare notes with what this guy says. A lot of inaccuracies in his monologue.
@@3LARI which part is inaccurate? Could you be more specific?
@@matthewj3892 Well most obviously there is his confident assertion that Hitler would have just stopped if he'd gotten Danzig. The fact that he's so confident about knowing exactly what this dictator from nearly a century ago would definitely have done should be enough of a red flag to discount everything this man says as (to put it generously) heavily biased.
Hitler would not have stopped. There is a mountain of evidence pointing to his plans to conquer Europe. Why else was he building such an immense army?
Pat Buchanan interviews on ww's are key
Well I’m a libertarian now 😂 wow what a great interview
It's criminal how both sides suppressed Ron Paul during his run for Presidency. He is a true Libertarian. However had he been able to be voted in fairly, he'd probably been JFK'ed.
God, Scott Horton is a national treasure.
This was brilliant, best interview I've seen in a very long time!
Very interesting interview. I would love to hear more on this topic
The youtube lecture "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" by prof. John Mearsheimer, Univercity of Chicago, is a great starting point for the historic context.
Excellent episode!
The Empire is indeed "relentless" as Scott recounted. Comrade Lenin said, "You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”
Lenin said that. America listened.
Great interview
Scott!!!
I just hope youtube does not censor this video. Real eye opener.
omg! In australia i didnt even learn about world wars, had no idea. Catching up quickly, thankyou utube and scott...and this channel....so sick of all the lies.
6:49 bravo. So true
My lord! i haven't heard so many stories , since 7th grade! summer 82!; This guy is a great story teller! Austin Weird!
Great rant 👍👍
Been following Scott since the early 2000s and love his work. I am pretty knowledgeable on this history but Scott puts me to shame. Great show!
Epic episode!
I just saw Scott last weekend at the NJLP Convention.
This was good; ty Peter
I love Scott and his eloquence. However, I'm saddened that he looks and sounds like a man who is sick of human corruption and has lost all hopes. What a gem of a guy!
this is absolutely horrifying and disgusting at the same time.
history is a tower build on lies.
Scott Let's Goooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott should be sponsored by Dr Pepper 😂
Very interesting
Best Dr. Pepper commercial ever!
Great guest.
This is 100% gonna be taken down by RUclips. Glad I caught it early 🤣😂
They also were doing terrorism in Germany and elsewhere which resulted in arrests and the media referred to these arrests as atrocities
The scariest part about listening to Scott is that I along with a lot of others know a little bit about every point he raises and it still won't mean a damn in influencing our "leaders"because it's just so fucked up. Nothing seems to penetrate their perceptions and nothing changes their assumptions. I don't know how you can fix people who have been spoonfed their own bullshit and taught to love themselves beyond reason because, they know that if the people ever get the chance to gain power over them they would drag their bodies through the streets.I admire your determined frame of mind, Scott, and your dogged outrage towards these engineers of so much suffering. I'm still able to acknowledge my frustration with it all but I don't practice a daily liturgy anymore. That said...I still believe that the weight of a more correct world view inches us towards a more fair equilibrium.
Great podcast
Feels like every day, I learn something that makes the crazy world feel even crazier. I knew the narrative was skewed toward Ukraine in everything that's going on, I just didn't know how or to what end. A lot of discussions I've had posed the question "why would Russia invade if they knew it would destroy them economically?", but nobody's brought up the possibility that they feel like it's the only way to stand their ground against an ever encroaching empire. There's a LOT to take in here, and I'm sure I didn't absorb it all in one go, but it helps with awareness as far as who's trying to push what story for what reason. You don't have to side with Russia to understand why they're doing what they're doing, and when the media wants to cut you off from that understanding, it makes it all the more invaluable.
Didn't have my mind this hooked on absorbing information since I was reading about Bitcoin
great stuff. could u send me a link to Scott's free e-book please?
Wew, this was a brave one to do, might enlighten a lot of people about how gaslit the Western public is by the mainstream media on this topic.
PRODUCTION VALUE IS AMAZING NOW !
I can tell by the look on your face Peter that you might regret your recent tweets about Putin and the situation in the Ukraine. Great interview. Keep up the good work. Go Bedford (just bought a sweatshirt).
Oh god. I never felt so vindicated in my life. Thank you Scott. Also.
Those words about evil empire. Well. It’s nov 2023.
This man gives me definite Wizard vibes
Very informative and interesting, if a little disheartening.
He gives me "boring guy who wants to sound smart but is actually badly misinformed" vibes.
@@3LARI lmao I'll bite.
Let's hear ONE thing he got wrong here. Give us a clear example
Peter I really like your podcast. I normally watch them for Bitcoin, but this one was really interesting and really good. Keep up the good work man and keep making these extraordanary podcasts 😉
Love listening to Scott, thanks
As Dave Smith recently joked on his podcast, I would fully support a regime against Judtin Trudeau.