Dude, are you here to show the match between the two sports or are you here to make excuses for Judo? I hear you making all kinds of excuses for the Judo guy, but yet you never mentioned the advantage that the Judo guy had over the Chinese wrestler because of his larger size. FYI, if you ask those Judo practitioners they say the gi gives them an advantage because it allows them to grip their opponent better, especially when both guys are soaked in sweat. So stop with your crying! Christ, you sounded like a protective wife of the Judo guy because of the fear of witnessing your husband getting beat! You know why so many Judo guys choose to wear their gi in an mma competition? Because they believe it gives them an advantage, so stop your crying! Nobody wants to hear you crying the entire length of the video! Go challenge a Judo guy in a fight if you think his gi is such a disadvantage for him! Maybe you can show us how much of an advantage you would have over them?
I love Shuai Jiao, its an awsome traditional chinese grappling system. It's very old and is to varying degrees incorporated in many Kung Fu styles. One of the schools I trained at taught both Shuai Jiao and Hung Gar Kuen and I loved it. I think a combination of Sanda (which also has a few elements of it of Shuai Jiao and is essentaily a style/sport that utilizes the fundamental techniques of chinese martial arts) and Shuai Jiao is for self defense and even combat sports like MMA. We have seen a few Sanda fighters. If I'm not mistaken Shuai Jiao is one of the oldest styles of fighting that there is physical record of (I think in the form of paintings)
@JSL interestingly apparently certain (if not most) japense jiu-jitsu branches has their grappling root tied with shui jiao. As Shui Jiao orgined from Mongolia
"...ancient judo has all the stuff bjj has..." Please, please keep letting people know this. It is so fatiguing hearing the bjj talking heads and their fanatics spew the same fallacious drivel about their "art" being revolutionary.
I Heard this all the frikin day when im in Internet trying to search judo throws for BJJ, and is true, but that doesn't mean that you can be a bully against bjj and the legacy of it (hurts you or not, BJJ is not only judo, have things of wrestling and other grappling arts, thats why is more popular ONLY in US)
Judo went the way it did because of the Olympics. The ground game was there far more than it is today. Kosen Judo works the ground far more than Olympic Judo. I think it's still heavily trained at Kyoto University. Nothing is revolutionary other than good marketing and heavier focus on already existing techniques. Wrestling and grappling is ancient so it's hard to be original.
Maybe, but it is also a non-Han martial art. Chinese wrestling is really from Mongolian. So to say the only Chinese martial art that works is Mongolian, then it really is a slap in the face for many Chinese.
@@Chemicalkinetics well SJ done have Mongolian influence but SJ just like any other form of wrestling developed separately at first, it's not really correct to say all of SJ originated from Mongolia.
@@mikeyu5769 When is the first modern Chinese wrestling match/competition hosted? It was hosted in 1953. It was hosted under what title? It was hosted under "Chinese Minority Group Activity and Sport (少数民族运动会)". Where did you hear your nonsense that it is not heavily influenced/originated by Mongolian wrestling?
@VqdyEsque no, shuai jiao is stand style. except for your feet, if you have another point on the ground, you will lose. because Shuai jiao from the ancient warfighting, if somebody down, the enemy will use arms to kill him rather than in ground fight. In addition, look at Shao jiao cloth, its style is a copy from the armour (it is sleeveless but you can grab it) rather than real cloth.
Points in Judo are determined by speed, power and technique. If you meet all three in a throw and they land on their back then its a ippon (instant win) no matter which throw you do. If its missing any of those or doesn't land directly on back you may get a half point. Also ancient Judo would have been called Jujutsu. If you look at Kosen Judo which came about right before 1900 it is much heavier in newaza, it was a different rules set from the normal judo we think of today. A good example of Kosen Judo would be Kimura Masahiko. If anyone is curious the throws he did were Tomoe Nage (circle throw) and Uchi Mata (inner thigh throw). Thanks for sharing! Great video.
The interesting thing here, more than the outfit difference, is the difference in the rule set of the two arts. For shuaijiao, you get points as soon as the opponent touches the mat with something else than his feet. You can see that he was pretty successful with this as in judo, these throws are not worth any points so they are not specialists in defending them (they don't care about being thrown to their knees). In judo however, when you make your opponent fall flat on his back you win the fight (even with a sacrifice throw) It is a oneshot. In shuaijiao, whether you fall on your knees or your back you give your opponent the same amount of points. Therefore, they are not specialists in keeping their balance while being thrown to try to land on something else than your back (since they are loosing the same number of points). Also, shuaijiao have a less good takedown defense since being thrown on your back get the opponent one or two points that you can get back very easily by throwing him again. Shuaijiao matches usually have a lot of action in them because of that. In Judo, the one shot (ippon) rule make them very cautious and you might just see one or zero throw in the entire match (because if you get countered trying, you loose the match directly). Under shuajiao rules, the judo likely would loose as he would get taken down to his feet for example. Under judo rules, the shuaijiao wouldn't stand a chance because he would be reckless trying and get "ipponed". Here, it seems judo rules were applied since they wanted to stop after the ippon. Maybe the shuaijiao guy prottested and this is why they continued. But either way, none of those two arts is supperior to the other, they are hust specialized in their own rulesets
You seem to be partial towards judo. In shuai jiao throwing the opponent yields points that does not mean they are weak in defense against throws. Shuai Jiao fighters are more efficient in throwing because they have to throw their opponent multiple times before they are declared the winner.
Am I the only one who thinks that in these style vs style grappling matches, the judo guys should be the ones wearing Shuaijao jackets and the shuaijao guys should be the ones wearing gi’s? I mean, it’s not like the gi is any benefit to the judoka outside of a few choking techniques or whatever, and not wearing one gives the shuaijao guy a huge advantage. I guess it’d be a bit confusing, but still it’s worth considering
I reckon to be fair, have them both go topless or just wear some kind of rashguard. A good grappler should not have to rely on sleevea or lapels to execute their techniques.
Aili Harrington well... maybe, but that’s a whole different discussion. if you’re GOING to use clothes, why have them wear the clothes that their opponent is going to be completely unfamiliar with, but also provides little to no benefit to themselves? Just a thought
@@davidmartinez9804 Yes you would be 100% right at saying that. But please do not misunderstand me, when i say *it's like Judo* i don't mean to say that Judo came first! It's just that Judo is way more popular. If someone asked "What is Taekwondo?" And you answered "It's like Savate but..." they would probably be even more lost. If they do not know Taekwondo, then they most likely have never heard of Savate (even tho Savate is older!) So i was just using Judo as a point of reference. Just like one could say "Pankration was like the Greek UFC/MMA" but we all know that Pankration is way older. So to sum it all up, i was using Judo as a reference point to explain to everyone here that Shuai Jiao has most things that Judo has amd that both arts are super similar in terms of concepts and that kind of stuff
@@chadmartin6958 just as Judo does but they are not widely practiced! Same can be said about Shuai Jiao. The striking is there in the forms and some drills but because the sparring and sport does not allow striking, practitioners do not go very deep on it
Interesting match. It’s unfair to the Judo guy since they’re used to grabbing sleeves but it’s not the Shuai Jiao guy’s fault they don’t have sleeves. Also, there are vintage videos of Shuai Jiao guys wrecking traditional chinese martial arts in Lei Tai tournaments out here in RUclips.
Why is that when a popular sport martial art beats a traditional one, the comments section blows up with people bashing on the TMA but when it's the other way round the same people come up with excuses like "the sleeves are too long it's not fair"?
Judo is a martial art that was developed from Jiu-Jitsu in the late 19th century by Jigoro Kano. It was later developed into a more sport-oriented martial art. ... Original Judo had throwing, grappling and even striking. "Jū" can be translated to mean "gentle, soft, supple, flexible, pliable, or yielding". "Jutsu" can be translated to mean "art" or "technique" and represents manipulating the opponent's force against themselves rather than confronting it with one's own force.[1] Jujutsu developed to combat the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for defeating an armed and armored opponent in which one uses no weapon or only a short weapon.[3] Because striking against an armored opponent proved ineffective, practitioners learned that the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws. These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it. From Wikipedia. I am not an expert just trying to help.
Chinese wrestling, Shaui Chiao or Shaui Jiao is the father or rather Grand father art of Judo. It is a rougher slightly more violent expression on take downs & throws than Judo. The belts are the same type as Judo, only the ends are tucked under , over the belt.
@@karahafu . Judo, jujutsu is basically the same thing. The judo of today is the sportive form of judo/jujutsu. At the time of judo creation it was nothing more than a scientific method of learning jujutsu. It was because of the imperial government directives of the time, that judo became more of a combat sport and less of a martial art. Anyway judo/jujutsu or yawara as it is also mentioned some times, have influences from chinese wrestling and mongolian wrestling.
@@tatumergo3931 again, no it does not. judo comes from jujutsu, and jujutsu comes from the various unarmed techniques the samurai used and sumo techniques. there is one martial art called shinden fudo ryu that some claim to have come from Chinese martial arts, but there is no proof that it does since different sources say different thing, and the japanese articles don't mention it.
@@karahafu . Oh you're talking about japanese JUDO, the one that comes from Kito-ryu jujutsu... My mistake, sorry! I thought you were talking about Mexican YU-DO, which comes from the ancient art of TE-TOKO TE-MATO.... ..................(only those that understand spanish will get it)................
i did not expect to find Shuai Jiao effective since you know...folk-wrestling around the world is very bizarre but this match was fun to watch and it surprises me that Xu Xiadong is the referee like VVTF! man
It was fun to watch Jerry. My original martial art style was Judo. I took Judo for about 2 years and I reached green belt level. I had to quit because the school shut downed. I was very sad 😢 Anyways, Judo 🥋 is straight up SAVAGE in a real street fight.
sbb22 oh no that’s terrible. I know the feeling bro. After my school shut down, I did Tang Soo Do for nearly 26 years and still study it. I cross trained in BJJ and Muay Thai within the 26 years. I earned my black belt in BJJ in 2017. I just earned my 4th degree black belt master level in Tang Soo Do this year of 2019. I’ve been really successful in the martial arts. I will have my 9th professional MUAY Thai fight in February of next year. I’m very excited. I’m currently at 7% body fat and at 190lbs. My abs are soooo fuckin shredded. My fiancé is jealous of all the attention I get from other women 😉
sbb22 I still remember a few things in Judo. Simple throws and takedowns. Did you eventually study another martial art? Please continue to study. No matter HOW MUCH you learn, there will always be more to learn. Always remember that bro.
@@taekwondomaster4609 True that bro. I did take another martial art after Judo which is BJJ but I am currently under a 1 year contract plus the recent monthly fee increase and I be out of the contract next month. I might end up doing Isshinryu Karate. Since I am currently a college student and working around my budget. I have no striking skills at all so I guess it would be my base for striking.
sbb22 I wish I could take you under my wing. I know the feeling bro. First have a SOLID foundation in striking. I would suggest joining a boxing 🥊 gym. If your college offers wrestling that’s great. Join the team. Cross train in both boxing and wrestling if possible. By doing so you will be well adapted in both striking and grappling.
I feel like they should have put both in the judo gi. I do sanda, and when we practice wrestling, it's eitehr no gi with gloves, or he has us in a juijitsu gi top, so I don't think the shuai jiao guy would have had any trouble. Though they probably wore different uniforms so that you could tell them apart
Judo rules were changed a Lot in the last 15 years and the 60 years before it was very influenced by the Olympics to become a sport. This is what he means. Judo 100 years ago was different from what you can See today. More groundfight, more self devense, Less bitchin
jon burbach judo and ju jutsu were never the same. Ju jutsu was invented from judo and karate by the german police in 1967. You mean jiu jitsu, but it is also wrong. Judo was made out of jiu jitsu. It was developed in contrast to it.
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 Jujutsu and jiu-jitsu are alternate spellings of the same thing (ie: romanji is not fixed in the same spelling). Yes, judo as we understand it today was derived from the previous art, and focuses on specific aspects. However, all parts of judo now (with the exception of a few minor techniques, I think) existed within the older system. Therefore, it was the "same thing" before the official founding of modern judo.
Shuaijiao or called also Shou-bo,Yuan Zumou has been champion in Bejiin!!!!I tried this style over almost 6 years and it's really beautiful but hard as well!!!!!Throw somebody is real a great caos,or at least it was for me!!!!Greetings to all of you from Italy 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹
Sacrifice throw: in that specific scenario, the judo player would flat out WIN THE WHOLE THING in Judo rules. Also landing on the stomach or knees doesn’t count in Judo, so it’s relatively easy to get a judo player on a knee.
@@FightCommentary @ FCB Are you in any Martial Art? Your comments are often absolutely ignorant and incompetent. So before you dare to comment, get some informations about the actual fighting style, their history and the protagonists. If you dont just shut up. btw your "self-sacrifice throw" is called tomo nage and is a usual technique iin JUDO.
@@elenchus sorry, but i cant anymore. fcb is (my guess) asian american and that makes him an expert in martial arts? no, surely not. before judging something everybody should get some knowledge first. this guy is simply annoying.
So much bullshit in the comments section about what is and isn’t “Chinese” or “Mongolian”. Some history lesson for you people: The modern borders of China are really relatively new 1850+ Mongolia is owned China via the Mongol empire and China has owned Mongolia via various Chinese dynasties. In fact China comes from Chin which comes from the Qin dynasty. There has always been cross cultural seeding of ideas, sciences, trades, crafts and arts (including martial arts) across the cultures of Chin, Mongolia and Tibet. Martial arts traveled the world through 1) conquest 2) silk route trade
I guarantee you, the Shuai Chiao guy is a low rank. White belt. Blue belt...something like that. Good competition from both, although Jerry, the Shuai Chiao man hasn't grabbed the sleeves lower than the shoulder of the jacket. You keep talking about the disadvantage the Judo guy has by having full sleeves, but that was never a factor. Awesome video, thank you so much for the breakdowns as usual.
IRON & SILK Hit Like Iron, Move Like Silk , it is obvious that is a huge factor. There are strictly rules about the sleeves in Judo or Jiu-Jitsu. I saw the Jiao guy holding the sleeves multiple times.
@@aluisiofsjr lol, I will have to watch it again, because the Shuai Chiao man only grabbed the shoulder area of the jacket as I remembered. If you seen different, please direct me to the min./sec. of the occurrence. The Shuai Chiao man has habits, as we all do, but one of his habits is grabbing high on the shoulder area because his training partners all wear Shuai Chiao jackets, therefore he can only grab there.
I didn’t see him grab the sleeves. Shuai Jiao practitioners don’t practice grabbing long sleeves anyway. The short sleeve jacket is traditionally worn during Shuai Jiao competitions, it was not to gain any advantage over a Judi practitioner.
I agree that it wasn't a big factor, and it seems silly to bicker over it when the judoka won so easily with a clean ippon anyway, even under rules which banned like 25% of his style. They even let the fight go on after the judoka won to give him another chance.
Sleeves maybe not affect shui jiao guy, but it's definitely affect any judokas since sleeve grip is the main grip in judo they even have rules about sleeve grips
"Judo guy was trying to do a hip throw." No. he was trying to do uchi mata. Also there isn't "ancient judo". You have Olympic and freestyle. Both have newaza and submissions. Olympic doesn't have leg grabs, and there are more rules regarding grips. Freestyle is pretty much pre-Olympic judo and more closely resembles BJJ.
@@seanmagnusson2581 He would have said "Japanese jiu jitsu" or something to that effect. This idea that "ancient judo" has grappling techniques and modern judo doesn't is inaccurate as well. All Judo has newaza. The difference is that Olympic judo banned certain techniques. Freestyle judo, for the most part, kept them.
Doing judo for Over 25 years, never heard of freestyle judo. Do you mean the pissed off judoka who fight and teach like they please? The rules have changed a lot in the last years. The amount of ground fighting become Less and lesser, to a point where it doesnt exist to Most judokas. Its a Lot different from what judo was 60 years ago. Bjj is far away to resemble any Moment in judo history. He is right with everything you critic, even uchi mata as a hip throw is debatable
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 Yep, Freestyle judo exists. It's not as big as Olympic judo, but it's there. The rules have changed and sometimes frequently. However, there is no hard, fast rule stating that judo must abide by the Olympic rules to be legit. Uchi mata is classified as a leg technique in nage no kata. The amount of newaza one learns in judo is heavily dependent on the dojo, and it isn't relegated to "ancient judo" since those newaza techniques, for the most part, are still used today. www.freestylejudo.org/freestyle-judo-the-way-judo-ought-to-be/
I'd say they're pretty disadvantageous in chokes. They create a lot of friction and can be used to control your hands. You do get access to the OG Ezekiel which is nice, at least. It seems like most judo was banned in this fight though, so a choke would have been impossible anyway.
Judo is not an ancient sport it was created by Jigoro Kano and mostly derived from Jiu-Jitsu, which is an ancient Art of War. The "Hip throw that you referred to is not a hip throw it called Uchi Mata.
Well the guy went for a single leg - and got thrown...so...there's that. I thought the Shuai Jiao fighter did pretty well. I'm not clear on the point system being employed in this match, so I don't know if there was a clear winner.
Judo at the time was realistic. Gi replicates upper class mens dress jacket and pants. There are judo and bjj guys in my SJ class. Sport SJ is very similar to Judo, minus sacrifice throws. Chang or “Combat” style SJ is much different. Hard to describe, there’s a crazy whiplash effect before and after the throw. Painful sht. Heavy Bagua influence. Plus a full striking system all its own. Gives everybody in the class trouble regardless of background. Also doesn’t help that most of the SJ guys start off in olympic wrestling - they’re solid dudes all around. Very Difficult opponents.
I’m no expert but Shuai Jiao often grip at the shoulder (made easy buy the short sleeves) so whatever advantage the Shuai jiao player get from the judo players longer sleeves is cancelled out by not being able to use his usual grips. Also are these dudes in the same weight category? The judoka looks bigger to me.
2:40 "That was it. That was it. Is that all?"-part was not it. They took a short break because the Judo guy kicked the Shuaijiao guy in the groin with that Sacrifice throw.
If your idea is to stay standing after a throw then shuia jiao is what you want to master if you dont care about that the judo is what you wan to go for because they have a ground game
Hey Jerry, Great video as always! Have you ever checked out any of the Streetbeefs fights? I know it’s a bit of a joke but there are quite a few fights where both fighters each have real training and Id be interested in seeing a breakdown of one of their more high quality matches.
It's definitely not a joke. Look at people like Icy Mike, he's a legit fighter. A train is a professional fighter who fought in streetbeefs a couple times. Multiple other amateur fighters too
James Roush Oh now 100%. Off the top of my head supreme tot and nighttime guru are also very well trained fighters. I only meant that, at the beginning of the organizations creation, most fights were very low skill, and it wasn’t exactly a good place to watch a good technical fight if that’s what you wanted to see.
This is dumb. They should be wearing the others uniform so they can fully express their art. Judo relies on sleeve grips. So he's at a serious disadvantage.
Wow, shuai jiao has its rules and judo has its rules because shuai jiao has to follow the rules of judo to pulp me, right? That's what makes it so sporty like judo
There is a video of a continuation bout between these two. In the bout the judo guy tried the drop to the floor throw twice and it didn't work. Maybe commentary breakdown could find it.
Dude...Judo was founded in 1882...there is no “Ancient Judo.” What you are thinking of is the 1925 reformation of Judo Rules to emphasis throwing methods, which did not influence Maeda’s Judo as he passed it to the Gracies.
@@Fitz2393 Depends on the style. Apparently, most of judo's ne waza comes from tenjin shinyo-ryu, which was combined with the nage waza specialization of kito-ryu. I've never actually seen tenjin, so it's hard to say for sure, but it might have really emphasized ne waza. But certainly, it wasn't as sophisticated as BJJ is today. Huge portions of BJJ weren't even developed 20 years ago.
He never wanted to say jiu jitsu. He wanted to say old school judo, like james mentioned correctly. The rules changed even more after 1925 towards stand up fighting, with making the leggrab illegal as the climax of this development.
elenchus tenjin shinyo and kito ryu were the Basis of kanos idea, but was mostly stand up. Fusen ryu was the style that brought groundfighting to judo on a great scale, After kano already invented judo. Search mataemon tanabe. Very interesting story. Beat up kano with his own wapons. Lucky for us that kano learned from this enemies and was not angry with his pupils training with tanabe.
my best guess is that judo was banned in this fight. There appears to have been no ne waza allowed at all, for instance, so I'm guessing the judoka was restricted to only the places where shuai jiao specialized in
eu n sei se o shuai jiau tem chão pois se sim seria bem top. Eu sou faixa verde de judo e me indentifiquei com a arte. eu comecei no kung fu porém no wu zu quan ,a arte dos 5 ancestrais
Honestly if your studying real shuai jiao you don't need Judo. Shaui Chiao is the father art of judo. Beats Judo 8 out of 10 times. Maybe if you wanted to pick up some mat work, but I'd go with Catch wrestling for that.
@@kde439 well they have some similar (but the same ) techniques there are more differences then similarities between the two unlike SJ, judo contains ground game, pinning, sacrifice throws, etc, some throws you fine in one art but not the other,SJ is also not the father of judo, and if you want to look up a art very much like SJ look up medieval / Renaissance European Ringen.
Two uchimata (inner thigh throw) and a tomae nage (circle throw) performed by the judoka. Once the opponent is on his back, it’s over (ippon) in a judo match.
Late famed Robert Smith seemed to favor Judo more even though he hung around Shuai Jiao people cause he felt the Judo way of break falls were safer. But he did say the Shuai Jiao master was one tough customer to deal with.
There was a continuation video. It took place after one boxing and another kickbox match. In it the judo guy tried the drop to the floor throw twice and it failed.Maybe the commentator could find it. Or maybe Xu got rid of it( you know how he hates seeing Chinese martial styles succeed).
Ok so judo, if u get a point, its a win. Throws not on the back is a wazari or half point. A throw with power, technique, and lands on their back they get a point. If u get a half point, u can win by submission, choke, or hold for 20 seconds. A major grip in judo is on the sleeve but its pretty easy to learn to adapt. It just takes practice which I dont think this judoka had. Im honestly surprised even without the sleeves that the shuai Jiao practitioner was able to whip the person around at around :40. Otherwise the Shuai jiao guy did pretty good
You don't have any ideo about standup grappling don't you? It would up the quality of your commentary if you at least could watch a short video of the current Judo and Shuai Jiao rules.
John Doe the rules used to be different. Idk what you want me to call it “judo of the past” or whatever. Judo’s competitive ruleset has evolved over the years.
@@timothyfreeman97 oh boy, the martial arts of east Asia don't have a origin in one place,some styles of SJ have influence from people of the steppe, the ming dynasty adopted Japanese blades and Japanese sword techniques for combat there are at least three surviving manuals that contain Japanese influence some of the few surviving manuals in China like this one www.chineselongsword.com/longsaber for example. jujutsu originated in the Muromachi period the oldest school has no connection to China ,only one school claims some connection and that story is BS, the person the school claims devoted his life to poetry, have no martial arts training besides studying boxing when he was 10 for a little bit, that story is also considering striking techniques which were already a thing in jujutsu.
Really bad ref. At 0:40, there was no break of contact and no ippon scored, so the fight should have moved to ne waza. I guess you could argue that it was still tachi waza since the wrestler (I guess it's the same as Greco-Roman) was still standing, but at 1:55, they're both down, again no point scored (too sloppy even for a waza-ari), and the fight should definitely have been allowed to continue on the ground. At 2:18, the judoka clearly wins the fight via ippon, so it should have been called there. I'm not concerned about the gi though. If he didn't want to wear a gi, he didn't have to (since it seems like there's no standard uniform here). He easily won anyway, so I guess it didn't matter.
“Unfair”, no, Shuai Jiao is simply far better of an art than Judo, it’s the grandfather OF judo, and because it was never “sport-ized”, it retains all the most dangerous and badass throws that were removed for judo. Shuai Jiao is more applicable in the street due to not relying on clothing to throw, but on the body itself. Don’t hate, join team Shuai Jiao.
The early evidence for SJ is Qin dynasty that's not 6,000 years ago and no judo came from the jujustu styles Jigoro kanō studied also try to look up a video named "lost techniques of Judo" or something because what most people think of judo is actually it's Olympic form outside that it's a pretty different beast.
@@Supermomo2007 oh for God's sake, I know I'm late but who cares jujustu does not come from SJ the oldest school has no connection to China and traditional Jujustu is pretty different to SJ.
@@Supermomo2007 umm..no it doesn't again oldest school has no connection to China, that's school has two stories about origin one is concerning a guy from the Ming dynasty that story is BS the guy devoted his life to poetry have no martial arts training besides studying at The Shaolin Temple when he was 10 for a little bit and that story is concerning striking techniques which were already a thing in jujutsu, you get stories like that in some jujutsu schools even concerning mythological characters, and it is two styles that can be said to be the basis for judo.
Here’s another example of a match happening in the same ring a few years back: Bagua vs mma ruclips.net/video/cGpp3Z5Qd20/видео.html
How come you never comment this tai chi vs bjj ruclips.net/video/oWATDOXIILo/видео.html
You say the Shuai Jiao guy is not wearing his gi. He is. That's a traditional chinese wrestling uniform.
Dude, are you here to show the match between the two sports or are you here to make excuses for Judo? I hear you making all kinds of excuses for the Judo guy, but yet you never mentioned the advantage that the Judo guy had over the Chinese wrestler because of his larger size. FYI, if you ask those Judo practitioners they say the gi gives them an advantage because it allows them to grip their opponent better, especially when both guys are soaked in sweat. So stop with your crying! Christ, you sounded like a protective wife of the Judo guy because of the fear of witnessing your husband getting beat! You know why so many Judo guys choose to wear their gi in an mma competition? Because they believe it gives them an advantage, so stop your crying! Nobody wants to hear you crying the entire length of the video! Go challenge a Judo guy in a fight if you think his gi is such a disadvantage for him! Maybe you can show us how much of an advantage you would have over them?
So Judo is optimized for throwing in winter and Shuai Jiao is for those sweet t-shirts summer days ? Wrestling for wife-beater days ?
Hahahahaha
Wrestling for wife-beater days, boxing for wife-beating days.
Lol awesome👍
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Ha!ha! Good one!
I love Shuai Jiao, its an awsome traditional chinese grappling system. It's very old and is to varying degrees incorporated in many Kung Fu styles. One of the schools I trained at taught both Shuai Jiao and Hung Gar Kuen and I loved it. I think a combination of Sanda (which also has a few elements of it of Shuai Jiao and is essentaily a style/sport that utilizes the fundamental techniques of chinese martial arts) and Shuai Jiao is for self defense and even combat sports like MMA. We have seen a few Sanda fighters. If I'm not mistaken Shuai Jiao is one of the oldest styles of fighting that there is physical record of (I think in the form of paintings)
“Ancient judo” because 137 years is a hell of a long time ago! But in all fairness it’s quite a bit older than most popular martial arts now.
Yes, but it likely existed in other forms long before then.
@Jay Lee Yes I am aware.
@Jay Lee gospel truth.
SwordTune isn’t that just jujitsu?
@JSL interestingly apparently certain (if not most) japense jiu-jitsu branches has their grappling root tied with shui jiao. As Shui Jiao orgined from Mongolia
"...ancient judo has all the stuff bjj has..." Please, please keep letting people know this. It is so fatiguing hearing the bjj talking heads and their fanatics spew the same fallacious drivel about their "art" being revolutionary.
I Heard this all the frikin day when im in Internet trying to search judo throws for BJJ, and is true, but that doesn't mean that you can be a bully against bjj and the legacy of it (hurts you or not, BJJ is not only judo, have things of wrestling and other grappling arts, thats why is more popular ONLY in US)
@@marcelodiaz5006 I think BJJ is popular all around the world now lol
bjj is revolutionary though? the gracies focused heavily on ground fighting that a lot of asian wrestling arts did not.
Judo went the way it did because of the Olympics. The ground game was there far more than it is today. Kosen Judo works the ground far more than Olympic Judo. I think it's still heavily trained at Kyoto University. Nothing is revolutionary other than good marketing and heavier focus on already existing techniques. Wrestling and grappling is ancient so it's hard to be original.
Judo is from the 1800s
xu said chinese wrestling is one of the traditional martial art that works
Maybe, but it is also a non-Han martial art. Chinese wrestling is really from Mongolian. So to say the only Chinese martial art that works is Mongolian, then it really is a slap in the face for many Chinese.
@@Chemicalkinetics where did you hear this nonsense?
@@Chemicalkinetics well SJ done have Mongolian influence but SJ just like any other form of wrestling developed separately at first, it's not really correct to say all of SJ originated from Mongolia.
@@mikeyu5769 When is the first modern Chinese wrestling match/competition hosted? It was hosted in 1953. It was hosted under what title? It was hosted under "Chinese Minority Group Activity and Sport (少数民族运动会)". Where did you hear your nonsense that it is not heavily influenced/originated by Mongolian wrestling?
@@Chemicalkinetics well china is really made of 56 ethnic groups so technically they are still chinese even if they ain't han
I took Shuai Jiao for years next to my house it's made BJJ way easier for me and I'm turning 50 this year 2020
@VqdyEsque no, shuai jiao is stand style. except for your feet, if you have another point on the ground, you will lose. because Shuai jiao from the ancient warfighting, if somebody down, the enemy will use arms to kill him rather than in ground fight. In addition, look at Shao jiao cloth, its style is a copy from the armour (it is sleeveless but you can grab it) rather than real cloth.
@VqdyEsque on problem😇
Is there anyway I can learn Shuai Jiao and sanda in America or will I just have to improvise?
@@DavidStewart-zy9zw there are some good schools in the US
Points in Judo are determined by speed, power and technique. If you meet all three in a throw and they land on their back then its a ippon (instant win) no matter which throw you do. If its missing any of those or doesn't land directly on back you may get a half point.
Also ancient Judo would have been called Jujutsu. If you look at Kosen Judo which came about right before 1900 it is much heavier in newaza, it was a different rules set from the normal judo we think of today. A good example of Kosen Judo would be Kimura Masahiko.
If anyone is curious the throws he did were Tomoe Nage (circle throw) and Uchi Mata (inner thigh throw).
Thanks for sharing! Great video.
The interesting thing here, more than the outfit difference, is the difference in the rule set of the two arts. For shuaijiao, you get points as soon as the opponent touches the mat with something else than his feet. You can see that he was pretty successful with this as in judo, these throws are not worth any points so they are not specialists in defending them (they don't care about being thrown to their knees). In judo however, when you make your opponent fall flat on his back you win the fight (even with a sacrifice throw) It is a oneshot. In shuaijiao, whether you fall on your knees or your back you give your opponent the same amount of points. Therefore, they are not specialists in keeping their balance while being thrown to try to land on something else than your back (since they are loosing the same number of points). Also, shuaijiao have a less good takedown defense since being thrown on your back get the opponent one or two points that you can get back very easily by throwing him again. Shuaijiao matches usually have a lot of action in them because of that. In Judo, the one shot (ippon) rule make them very cautious and you might just see one or zero throw in the entire match (because if you get countered trying, you loose the match directly). Under shuajiao rules, the judo likely would loose as he would get taken down to his feet for example. Under judo rules, the shuaijiao wouldn't stand a chance because he would be reckless trying and get "ipponed". Here, it seems judo rules were applied since they wanted to stop after the ippon. Maybe the shuaijiao guy prottested and this is why they continued. But either way, none of those two arts is supperior to the other, they are hust specialized in their own rulesets
a very interesting analysis
@@tayslaywift9361 Thank you!
Great comparison, thank you
You seem to be partial towards judo. In shuai jiao throwing the opponent yields points that does not mean they are weak in defense against throws.
Shuai Jiao fighters are more efficient in throwing because they have to throw their opponent multiple times before they are declared the winner.
Not entirely true. You have 10 seconds to attempt a throw or you're penalized. 3 penalties and you lose
"Might have pants.... Of course you'll have pants" lol. U never know
I am wearing Jerry’s pants.
Am I the only one who thinks that in these style vs style grappling matches, the judo guys should be the ones wearing Shuaijao jackets and the shuaijao guys should be the ones wearing gi’s? I mean, it’s not like the gi is any benefit to the judoka outside of a few choking techniques or whatever, and not wearing one gives the shuaijao guy a huge advantage. I guess it’d be a bit confusing, but still it’s worth considering
That would be awesome! Whenever you do style vs style, you have to wear opponent’s uniform.
I reckon to be fair, have them both go topless or just wear some kind of rashguard. A good grappler should not have to rely on sleevea or lapels to execute their techniques.
Aili Harrington well... maybe, but that’s a whole different discussion. if you’re GOING to use clothes, why have them wear the clothes that their opponent is going to be completely unfamiliar with, but also provides little to no benefit to themselves? Just a thought
I mean, Shuai Jiao is basically Chinese Judo, they share many techniques with us
Don't shut up judo is the Japanese shuai jiao that's the truth shuai jiao came first judo just took our techniques
You mean Judo is basically Chinese Shai Jiao like many things "that are Japanese"
@@davidmartinez9804 Yes you would be 100% right at saying that. But please do not misunderstand me, when i say *it's like Judo* i don't mean to say that Judo came first! It's just that Judo is way more popular. If someone asked "What is Taekwondo?" And you answered "It's like Savate but..." they would probably be even more lost. If they do not know Taekwondo, then they most likely have never heard of Savate (even tho Savate is older!)
So i was just using Judo as a point of reference. Just like one could say "Pankration was like the Greek UFC/MMA" but we all know that Pankration is way older.
So to sum it all up, i was using Judo as a reference point to explain to everyone here that Shuai Jiao has most things that Judo has amd that both arts are super similar in terms of concepts and that kind of stuff
Shuai Jiao has a lot of striking techniques also
@@chadmartin6958 just as Judo does but they are not widely practiced! Same can be said about Shuai Jiao. The striking is there in the forms and some drills but because the sparring and sport does not allow striking, practitioners do not go very deep on it
Definetly Shuay Jiao is the best combat form of chinese Martial Arts,it really works.
How about Sanda (Chinese: 散 Sanshou)?
@@mdcruz YEAAA THAT WORKS GREAT BRO💯
Shuai Jiao and Sanda are the accurate only working chinese martial arts
@@eduardom.maquilan5472 no the rest works when you understand the techniques
@@angelocarantino4803 maybe i think
the judo guys aint high level in my opinon.
Interesting match. It’s unfair to the Judo guy since they’re used to grabbing sleeves but it’s not the Shuai Jiao guy’s fault they don’t have sleeves.
Also, there are vintage videos of Shuai Jiao guys wrecking traditional chinese martial arts in Lei Tai tournaments out here in RUclips.
Shuai definitely has the advantage on wardrobe. I’m a lifelong Judoka... but, I like Shuai, I trained for 2 years when I was young.
Why is that when a popular sport martial art beats a traditional one, the comments section blows up with people bashing on the TMA but when it's the other way round the same people come up with excuses like "the sleeves are too long it's not fair"?
Chinese wrestling could save Kung Fu from disappearing
It already saved Kung Fu. Many Sanda throws are from Shuai Jiao
Tai chi is now making a comeback and beating grapplers in takedown matches. Wing Chun is now both winning and losing in the cage and ring.
Judo is a martial art that was developed from Jiu-Jitsu in the late 19th century by Jigoro Kano. It was later developed into a more sport-oriented martial art. ... Original Judo had throwing, grappling and even striking. "Jū" can be translated to mean "gentle, soft, supple, flexible, pliable, or yielding". "Jutsu" can be translated to mean "art" or "technique" and represents manipulating the opponent's force against themselves rather than confronting it with one's own force.[1] Jujutsu developed to combat the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for defeating an armed and armored opponent in which one uses no weapon or only a short weapon.[3] Because striking against an armored opponent proved ineffective, practitioners learned that the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws. These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it. From Wikipedia. I am not an expert just trying to help.
Chinese wrestling, Shaui Chiao or Shaui Jiao is the father or rather Grand father art of Judo. It is a rougher slightly more violent expression on take downs & throws than Judo. The belts are the same type as Judo, only the ends are tucked under , over the belt.
no its not. judo comes from jujutsu. just because two things are similar doesnt mean its connected.
@@karahafu . Judo, jujutsu is basically the same thing. The judo of today is the sportive form of judo/jujutsu. At the time of judo creation it was nothing more than a scientific method of learning jujutsu.
It was because of the imperial government directives of the time, that judo became more of a combat sport and less of a martial art.
Anyway judo/jujutsu or yawara as it is also mentioned some times, have influences from chinese wrestling and mongolian wrestling.
@@tatumergo3931 again, no it does not. judo comes from jujutsu, and jujutsu comes from the various unarmed techniques the samurai used and sumo techniques. there is one martial art called shinden fudo ryu that some claim to have come from Chinese martial arts, but there is no proof that it does since different sources say different thing, and the japanese articles don't mention it.
@@karahafu . Oh you're talking about japanese JUDO, the one that comes from Kito-ryu jujutsu... My mistake, sorry!
I thought you were talking about Mexican YU-DO, which comes from the ancient art of TE-TOKO TE-MATO....
..................(only those that understand spanish will get it)................
@@tatumergo3931 explain the joke‼️
Great video, I like to see new styles from around the world, especially wrestling/grappling so thanks man
They both seem similar but competition rules are likely totally different. Great video.
i did not expect to find Shuai Jiao effective since you know...folk-wrestling around the world is very bizarre but this match was fun to watch and it surprises me that Xu Xiadong is the referee like VVTF! man
It was fun to watch Jerry. My original martial art style was Judo. I took Judo for about 2 years and I reached green belt level. I had to quit because the school shut downed. I was very sad 😢 Anyways, Judo 🥋 is straight up SAVAGE in a real street fight.
Same here, I did Judo for 3 years and I got my 3rd kyu. My school also shut down as well. I learned a lot from Judo.
sbb22 oh no that’s terrible. I know the feeling bro. After my school shut down, I did Tang Soo Do for nearly 26 years and still study it. I cross trained in BJJ and Muay Thai within the 26 years. I earned my black belt in BJJ in 2017. I just earned my 4th degree black belt master level in Tang Soo Do this year of 2019.
I’ve been really successful in the martial arts. I will have my 9th professional MUAY Thai fight in February of next year. I’m very excited. I’m currently at 7% body fat and at 190lbs. My abs are soooo fuckin shredded. My fiancé is jealous of all the attention I get from other women 😉
sbb22 I still remember a few things in Judo. Simple throws and takedowns. Did you eventually study another martial art? Please continue to study. No matter HOW MUCH you learn, there will always be more to learn. Always remember that bro.
@@taekwondomaster4609 True that bro. I did take another martial art after Judo which is BJJ but I am currently under a 1 year contract plus the recent monthly fee increase and I be out of the contract next month. I might end up doing Isshinryu Karate. Since I am currently a college student and working around my budget. I have no striking skills at all so I guess it would be my base for striking.
sbb22 I wish I could take you under my wing. I know the feeling bro. First have a SOLID foundation in striking. I would suggest joining a boxing 🥊 gym. If your college offers wrestling that’s great. Join the team. Cross train in both boxing and wrestling if possible. By doing so you will be well adapted in both striking and grappling.
This video should be named: "JuDo (Japanese wrestling) vs ShuaiJiao (Chinese wrestling)"
Really nice , and interesting match! I have respect , for both art's!!!
I feel like they should have put both in the judo gi. I do sanda, and when we practice wrestling, it's eitehr no gi with gloves, or he has us in a juijitsu gi top, so I don't think the shuai jiao guy would have had any trouble. Though they probably wore different uniforms so that you could tell them apart
"Ancient judo." Okay, boss. Because Jigoro Kano existed in the distant past or something.
he's speaking off the cuff. he meant jujutsu
Judo and Jujutsu were the same thing back then, so he's not technically wrong
Judo rules were changed a Lot in the last 15 years and the 60 years before it was very influenced by the Olympics to become a sport. This is what he means. Judo 100 years ago was different from what you can See today. More groundfight, more self devense, Less bitchin
jon burbach judo and ju jutsu were never the same. Ju jutsu was invented from judo and karate by the german police in 1967. You mean jiu jitsu, but it is also wrong. Judo was made out of jiu jitsu. It was developed in contrast to it.
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 Jujutsu and jiu-jitsu are alternate spellings of the same thing (ie: romanji is not fixed in the same spelling).
Yes, judo as we understand it today was derived from the previous art, and focuses on specific aspects. However, all parts of judo now (with the exception of a few minor techniques, I think) existed within the older system. Therefore, it was the "same thing" before the official founding of modern judo.
Shuaijiao or called also Shou-bo,Yuan Zumou has been champion in Bejiin!!!!I tried this style over almost 6 years and it's really beautiful but hard as well!!!!!Throw somebody is real a great caos,or at least it was for me!!!!Greetings to all of you from Italy 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹
Sacrifice throw: in that specific scenario, the judo player would flat out WIN THE WHOLE THING in Judo rules. Also landing on the stomach or knees doesn’t count in Judo, so it’s relatively easy to get a judo player on a knee.
Interesting!
@@FightCommentary @ FCB
Are you in any Martial Art? Your comments are often absolutely ignorant and incompetent. So before you dare to comment, get some informations about the actual fighting style, their history and the protagonists. If you dont just shut up. btw your "self-sacrifice throw" is called tomo nage and is a usual technique iin JUDO.
@@hennoxxx lol chill bruh. it's just lighthearted commentary, this isn't BJJ Scout
hennoxxx i bet you learned civilty, serenity, respect and self controll from a real kungfu master
@@elenchus sorry, but i cant anymore. fcb is (my guess) asian american and that makes him an expert in martial arts? no, surely not. before judging something everybody should get some knowledge first. this guy is simply annoying.
So much bullshit in the comments section about what is and isn’t “Chinese” or “Mongolian”.
Some history lesson for you people:
The modern borders of China are really relatively new 1850+
Mongolia is owned China via the Mongol empire and China has owned Mongolia via various Chinese dynasties. In fact China comes from Chin which comes from the Qin dynasty.
There has always been cross cultural seeding of ideas, sciences, trades, crafts and arts (including martial arts) across the cultures of Chin, Mongolia and Tibet.
Martial arts traveled the world through 1) conquest 2) silk route trade
There are ancient Shang dynasty bronze sculptures dated 3000 years ago that shows chinese wrestling.
I guarantee you, the Shuai Chiao guy is a low rank. White belt. Blue belt...something like that. Good competition from both, although Jerry, the Shuai Chiao man hasn't grabbed the sleeves lower than the shoulder of the jacket. You keep talking about the disadvantage the Judo guy has by having full sleeves, but that was never a factor. Awesome video, thank you so much for the breakdowns as usual.
IRON & SILK Hit Like Iron, Move Like Silk , it is obvious that is a huge factor. There are strictly rules about the sleeves in Judo or Jiu-Jitsu. I saw the Jiao guy holding the sleeves multiple times.
They should fight topless
@@aluisiofsjr lol, I will have to watch it again, because the Shuai Chiao man only grabbed the shoulder area of the jacket as I remembered. If you seen different, please direct me to the min./sec. of the occurrence.
The Shuai Chiao man has habits, as we all do, but one of his habits is grabbing high on the shoulder area because his training partners all wear Shuai Chiao jackets, therefore he can only grab there.
I didn’t see him grab the sleeves. Shuai Jiao practitioners don’t practice grabbing long sleeves anyway. The short sleeve jacket is traditionally worn during Shuai Jiao competitions, it was not to gain any advantage over a Judi practitioner.
I agree that it wasn't a big factor, and it seems silly to bicker over it when the judoka won so easily with a clean ippon anyway, even under rules which banned like 25% of his style. They even let the fight go on after the judoka won to give him another chance.
Two of my favourite grappling styles. I feel the shuai jiao guy should of worn a gi and the judo guy wears a jacket to even it out. Or go no gi
There were also strikes in judo(atemi to vital organs) and still shown in goshinjitsu Kata.
Sleeves maybe not affect shui jiao guy,
but it's definitely affect any judokas since sleeve grip is the main grip in judo
they even have rules about sleeve grips
"Judo guy was trying to do a hip throw." No. he was trying to do uchi mata.
Also there isn't "ancient judo". You have Olympic and freestyle. Both have newaza and submissions. Olympic doesn't have leg grabs, and there are more rules regarding grips.
Freestyle is pretty much pre-Olympic judo and more closely resembles BJJ.
I think he was referring to the Jujutsu influences on Judo.
@@seanmagnusson2581 He would have said "Japanese jiu jitsu" or something to that effect. This idea that "ancient judo" has grappling techniques and modern judo doesn't is inaccurate as well. All Judo has newaza. The difference is that Olympic judo banned certain techniques. Freestyle judo, for the most part, kept them.
@@zadkiel242 That is true, a lot of things get mixed in translation I guess, thanks for the info though, good stuff.
Doing judo for Over 25 years, never heard of freestyle judo. Do you mean the pissed off judoka who fight and teach like they please? The rules have changed a lot in the last years. The amount of ground fighting become Less and lesser, to a point where it doesnt exist to Most judokas. Its a Lot different from what judo was 60 years ago. Bjj is far away to resemble any Moment in judo history. He is right with everything you critic, even uchi mata as a hip throw is debatable
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 Yep, Freestyle judo exists. It's not as big as Olympic judo, but it's there.
The rules have changed and sometimes frequently. However, there is no hard, fast rule stating that judo must abide by the Olympic rules to be legit.
Uchi mata is classified as a leg technique in nage no kata.
The amount of newaza one learns in judo is heavily dependent on the dojo, and it isn't relegated to "ancient judo" since those newaza techniques, for the most part, are still used today.
www.freestylejudo.org/freestyle-judo-the-way-judo-ought-to-be/
Sleeves are advantage in chokes, disadvantageous in throws
Very true!
I'd say they're pretty disadvantageous in chokes. They create a lot of friction and can be used to control your hands. You do get access to the OG Ezekiel which is nice, at least.
It seems like most judo was banned in this fight though, so a choke would have been impossible anyway.
Sleeves are important for many throws, not really for chokes, but anyway, one can throw with or without sleeves or any clothes at all
theyre pretty fucking advantageous for throws
@@marcothemighty97 if your opponent has sleeves, definitely. if you're the one with sleeves, you're gonna get thrown
Judo is not an ancient sport it was created by Jigoro Kano and mostly derived from Jiu-Jitsu, which is an ancient Art of War. The "Hip throw that you referred to is not a hip throw it called Uchi Mata.
What’s up with the bias against Shuai Jiao?
“No no no no...” sound like Joe Rogan when Kahbib jumped the fence lol
Well the guy went for a single leg - and got thrown...so...there's that. I thought the Shuai Jiao fighter did pretty well. I'm not clear on the point system being employed in this match, so I don't know if there was a clear winner.
It's gung fu, which means people automatically dislike it.
Judo at the time was realistic. Gi replicates upper class mens dress jacket and pants. There are judo and bjj guys in my SJ class. Sport SJ is very similar to Judo, minus sacrifice throws. Chang or “Combat” style SJ is much different. Hard to describe, there’s a crazy whiplash effect before and after the throw. Painful sht. Heavy Bagua influence. Plus a full striking system all its own. Gives everybody in the class trouble regardless of background. Also doesn’t help that most of the SJ guys start off in olympic wrestling - they’re solid dudes all around. Very Difficult opponents.
I’m no expert but Shuai Jiao often grip at the shoulder (made easy buy the short sleeves) so whatever advantage the Shuai jiao player get from the judo players longer sleeves is cancelled out by not being able to use his usual grips. Also are these dudes in the same weight category? The judoka looks bigger to me.
Stop calling "old" judo ancient, it's from like a hundred years ago not milleniums lol
I just here a judo narrator whining about unfairness
Partially agree, you should be able to have good wrist control as well as neck to control posture in judo
2:40 "That was it. That was it. Is that all?"-part was not it. They took a short break because the Judo guy kicked the Shuaijiao guy in the groin with that Sacrifice throw.
If your idea is to stay standing after a throw then shuia jiao is what you want to master if you dont care about that the judo is what you wan to go for because they have a ground game
Hey Jerry, Great video as always!
Have you ever checked out any of the Streetbeefs fights? I know it’s a bit of a joke but there are quite a few fights where both fighters each have real training and Id be interested in seeing a breakdown of one of their more high quality matches.
It's definitely not a joke. Look at people like Icy Mike, he's a legit fighter. A train is a professional fighter who fought in streetbeefs a couple times. Multiple other amateur fighters too
James Roush Oh now 100%. Off the top of my head supreme tot and nighttime guru are also very well trained fighters.
I only meant that, at the beginning of the organizations creation, most fights were very low skill, and it wasn’t exactly a good place to watch a good technical fight if that’s what you wanted to see.
Judo isn't ancient. It is only about 130 years old. The jiu jitsu it derived from could be considered ancient.
high level wouldnt wait that long to throw and because of the other guy not having sleeves, it aint far like u said. Great vid brother.
This is dumb. They should be wearing the others uniform so they can fully express their art. Judo relies on sleeve grips. So he's at a serious disadvantage.
Wow, shuai jiao has its rules and judo has its rules because shuai jiao has to follow the rules of judo to pulp me, right? That's what makes it so sporty like judo
I’m a little biased towards Shuaijiao because I have a bit of training in it, but this was cool to watch.
People on the streets might have pants. The things you learn from watching martial arts videos.🤣
There is a video of a continuation bout between these two. In the bout the judo guy tried the drop to the floor throw twice and it didn't work. Maybe commentary breakdown could find it.
1. I love your channel
2. That wasn't a sacrifice throw budddyyyy :)
zohar benezra tomonage isnt a sacrifice throw? what else then?
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 it sure is, I was 100% wrong 😊
zohar benezra 😁 im confused... but his channel is very lovely
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047don't be confused, I made a mistake, you corrected me, I agreed, rare in the comment section, but we can start a trend 😂
zohar benezra haha😅 not on my worldwideweb you arrogant jerk!
They should get some Mongolian Wrestlers into these types of standup grappling contests - those Mongolians are big, strong and tough.
Dude...Judo was founded in 1882...there is no “Ancient Judo.” What you are thinking of is the 1925 reformation of Judo Rules to emphasis throwing methods, which did not influence Maeda’s Judo as he passed it to the Gracies.
he meant to say jujutsu. these episodes aren't scripted.
There’s even less BJJ style methods in pre-Modern Jujutsu.
@@Fitz2393 Depends on the style. Apparently, most of judo's ne waza comes from tenjin shinyo-ryu, which was combined with the nage waza specialization of kito-ryu.
I've never actually seen tenjin, so it's hard to say for sure, but it might have really emphasized ne waza.
But certainly, it wasn't as sophisticated as BJJ is today. Huge portions of BJJ weren't even developed 20 years ago.
He never wanted to say jiu jitsu. He wanted to say old school judo, like james mentioned correctly. The rules changed even more after 1925 towards stand up fighting, with making the leggrab illegal as the climax of this development.
elenchus tenjin shinyo and kito ryu were the Basis of kanos idea, but was mostly stand up. Fusen ryu was the style that brought groundfighting to judo on a great scale, After kano already invented judo. Search mataemon tanabe. Very interesting story. Beat up kano with his own wapons. Lucky for us that kano learned from this enemies and was not angry with his pupils training with tanabe.
EXCELLENT demonstration!!!
I think the judo guy is just not being aggressive enough and plus he wasn’t really using all the tools he should have if he’s a good judoka
He dont use Kumikata for sure...
my best guess is that judo was banned in this fight. There appears to have been no ne waza allowed at all, for instance, so I'm guessing the judoka was restricted to only the places where shuai jiao specialized in
eu n sei se o shuai jiau tem chão pois se sim seria bem top. Eu sou faixa verde de judo e me indentifiquei com a arte. eu comecei no kung fu porém no wu zu quan ,a arte dos 5 ancestrais
Shuai jiao belts are tied very tight, you can lose points in ShuaiJiao if your belt comes undone.
I don't know why my head keeps wispering: One Punch just one Punch.!!!
Because sport grapplers just like sport strikers are confused when they lack the training to cross over those hurdles.
SHUAI JAO SHOULD LEARN JUDO & REVERSE BECAUSE THEY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER.
Honestly if your studying real shuai jiao you don't need Judo. Shaui Chiao is the father art of judo. Beats Judo 8 out of 10 times. Maybe if you wanted to pick up some mat work, but I'd go with Catch wrestling for that.
@@kde439 Every Judoka at the world or Olympic level has a much better chance of winning. Just look at high level France or Japan judokas.
@@kde439 well they have some similar (but the same ) techniques there are more differences then similarities between the two unlike SJ, judo contains ground game, pinning, sacrifice throws, etc, some throws you fine in one art but not the other,SJ is also not the father of judo, and if you want to look up a art very much like SJ look up medieval / Renaissance European Ringen.
@@jimmylin7233 YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
Basically..... commentator knows nothing about shuai jiao....
SHUAI JIAO = 2600 B.C. / JUDO = 1882
Two uchimata (inner thigh throw) and a tomae nage (circle throw) performed by the judoka. Once the opponent is on his back, it’s over (ippon) in a judo match.
Oh yeah
Late famed Robert Smith seemed to favor Judo more even though he hung around Shuai Jiao people cause he felt the Judo way of break falls were safer. But he did say the Shuai Jiao master was one tough customer to deal with.
Shuai Jao most likely an ancient military martial arts so armor may be a factor to the no break fall.
oh man I love Robert Smith. I listed to the Cure constantly in college
@@blackpowderkun shuai chiao has breakfall!!
The sho Go guy has more upper body strength. The jodu guy in better shape.
What’s the rule in this match? Rules of judo or of shuiao Jiao?
I fight with no pants on. So no one can grab my pants in a street fight. 😎
Hahahahha
but can they grab your Wiener? :-p
Cool. But, there's always your arms, legs, or neck.
If you're a top judo fighter you won't have a problem with no gi, Ronda Rousey, Karo Parisyan, Rick Hawn, are a few to show examples of that.
When the MMA guy is twice the size and half the Kungfu guy's age with no actual fight experience , he says nothing.
Judo guy here has a weird stance.... U sure they didn't pick up some random dude on the street, taught him a few things, and then set him up here?
Finally, who won???
Comparing apples with apples.
Ahhhhh! Why did you cut out before the finish?!?! I wanted to see the whole thing! PS I really like your vids. Cheers.
There was a continuation video. It took place after one boxing and another kickbox match. In it the judo guy tried the drop to the floor throw twice and it failed.Maybe the commentator could find it. Or maybe Xu got rid of it( you know how he hates seeing Chinese martial styles succeed).
I'm a frequent viewer of FCB and my girlfriend can't stand hearing Jerry say 徐曉冬 anymore 😅😆
That Judo guy is also a purple belt in BJJ; I know cus I've trained with him.
Both arts very effective
Judo guy scored 2 Ippon. Those are worth full match wins. Judo guy won. He technically scored double the points.
Thanks for clarification!
There was a tape of the continuation bout between these 2. The judo guy lost.
No... wardrobe means nothing here. Most grabs a the lapel and a lot of Judo doesn't need any gi.
Ok so judo, if u get a point, its a win. Throws not on the back is a wazari or half point. A throw with power, technique, and lands on their back they get a point. If u get a half point, u can win by submission, choke, or hold for 20 seconds. A major grip in judo is on the sleeve but its pretty easy to learn to adapt. It just takes practice which I dont think this judoka had. Im honestly surprised even without the sleeves that the shuai Jiao practitioner was able to whip the person around at around :40. Otherwise the Shuai jiao guy did pretty good
right, but that's kind of my point. He won with ippon with tomoe nage, and he wasn't permitted to follow up with ne waza elsewhere in the match.
That sacrifice throw looked like it was right to the junk
You don't have any ideo about standup grappling don't you? It would up the quality of your commentary if you at least could watch a short video of the current Judo and Shuai Jiao rules.
For the Narrator: Don't mention BJJ
Often times the GI is your third arm. If properly utilized.
In ancient judo you could get fractions of a point for imperfect throws. Now adays its just 1 point and 1/2 a point. First to 1 point wins.
John Doe the rules used to be different. Idk what you want me to call it “judo of the past” or whatever. Judo’s competitive ruleset has evolved over the years.
John Doe thats fair. I settled on ancient because its the opposite of modern.
Judo guy should try eri Ippon seoi nage
Judo comes from Shuai Jiao.
Judo comes from the jujutsu styles Kanō Jigorō studied.
Ever Seen some lion cubs fighting? It comes from our dna
@@eagle162 where do you think Jujutsu comes from? Or all east oriental martial arts, for that matter?
@@timothyfreeman97 oh boy, the martial arts of east Asia don't have a origin in one place,some styles of SJ have influence from people of the steppe, the ming dynasty adopted Japanese blades and Japanese sword techniques for combat there are at least three surviving manuals that contain Japanese influence some of the few surviving manuals in China like this one www.chineselongsword.com/longsaber for example.
jujutsu originated in the Muromachi period the oldest school has no connection to China ,only one school claims some connection and that story is BS, the person the school claims devoted his life to poetry, have no martial arts training besides studying boxing when he was 10 for a little bit, that story is also considering striking techniques which were already a thing in jujutsu.
In the street during winter time everybody wearing a gi thou
Really bad ref. At 0:40, there was no break of contact and no ippon scored, so the fight should have moved to ne waza. I guess you could argue that it was still tachi waza since the wrestler (I guess it's the same as Greco-Roman) was still standing, but at 1:55, they're both down, again no point scored (too sloppy even for a waza-ari), and the fight should definitely have been allowed to continue on the ground. At 2:18, the judoka clearly wins the fight via ippon, so it should have been called there.
I'm not concerned about the gi though. If he didn't want to wear a gi, he didn't have to (since it seems like there's no standard uniform here). He easily won anyway, so I guess it didn't matter.
A big part of shuai jiao is gripping the belt
Judo fake
Now i know if I'm ever on the streets and see a guy like that to just walk away
Judo more newaza. And sacrifice throws.
Shui jiao very little of it. But more varieties of throws.
“Unfair”, no, Shuai Jiao is simply far better of an art than Judo, it’s the grandfather OF judo, and because it was never “sport-ized”, it retains all the most dangerous and badass throws that were removed for judo. Shuai Jiao is more applicable in the street due to not relying on clothing to throw, but on the body itself. Don’t hate, join team Shuai Jiao.
Chinese wrestling is much older martial art than judo (6000 years old). Have Chinese wrestling techniques influenced to a modern judo?
The early evidence for SJ is Qin dynasty that's not 6,000 years ago and no judo came from the jujustu styles Jigoro kanō studied also try to look up a video named "lost techniques of Judo" or something because what most people think of judo is actually it's Olympic form outside that it's a pretty different beast.
@@eagle162 jujutsu came shuai chiao. Judo is grandchild
@@Supermomo2007 oh for God's sake, I know I'm late but who cares jujustu does not come from SJ the oldest school has no connection to China and traditional Jujustu is pretty different to SJ.
@@eagle162 the father style of judo, tenshin ryu, has his roots in chinese wrestling. for god sake
@@Supermomo2007 umm..no it doesn't again oldest school has no connection to China, that's school has two stories about origin one is concerning a guy from the Ming dynasty that story is BS the guy devoted his life to poetry have no martial arts training besides studying at The Shaolin Temple when he was 10 for a little bit and that story is concerning striking techniques which were already a thing in jujutsu, you get stories like that in some jujutsu schools even concerning mythological characters, and it is two styles that can be said to be the basis for judo.
The olympics over sportified judo the same as it did with fencing and tae kwon do. Their olympic versions are sports more than martial arts.
I wouldn't lump fencing in with those other ones. Fencing as a sport is waaaay more fun than classical fencing.
@@xenadon that's subjective
A mulher de luta pra derrubar no pano, é o judo. Se for pelas regras do judo, o judo vai prevalecer 90% das vezes.
Ok this is interesting, but shuai jiao? I want to see the technique
just watch some Greco-Roman training vids
Something is not right. The judoka seems very passive and weak.
Okay, but the one who won was Shuai Jiao, crying is free