Shuai Jiao is fun. I can say - having trained Shuaijiao at a Gracie gym, with BJJ and Judo players, Shuaijiao is much different. If you train somewhere where they do it square like Judo, you’re missing out on a really cool new addition to your skillset. Wheeling / Unbalancing is the prime skill of Shuaijiao. While you are grip fighting and hand fighting, your legs and torso are constantly moving, stepping around, cutting angles, and trying to spin the person off balance. It is much more aggressive, with a lot of sumo like pushing off as well, and some sneaky grip breaking. Even guys with a lot more competitive experience and years training used to have a lot of problems with my teacher at the gym because of his constant activity. It feels like trying to Hug a tornado LOL. His son also competes in high school wrestling and does well. A lot of the sweeps and leg attacks here by the students will get you thrown because they step in before achieving connection, the minute you lift your foot, you’re spinning off balance. It’s very frustrating experience LOL. A lot of competition teaching now has leaned more towards slower play, and even just pushing the person out of bounds. It’s different to watch Also, if you train with someone with more of a Mongolian flavor, their leg attacks and over the back grips are ssssick because Their jackets don’t have a lapel.
The next time I'm in Vancouver, I'm actively going to try and find a school that teaches this and try it out. It looks like they may have something. You just got me incredibly curious about it.
@jinlau1949 At the time, unfortunately, my trip to Vancouver was canceled. However I had phoned ahead looking for it, and there was one place that taught it. It was in one of the schools that also taught other traditional Chinese martial arts. I tried googling it, and it seems alot of other schools have opened up or something because there's a fairly large selection now. I can't rememeber which one it was, however yes, one of them does, hopefully more now.
I am a BJJ instructor, and I've trained Shuai Jiao in the US, having earned a black belt in this style (in the US Shuai Jiao that comes form Grandmaster Chang Dung Shen's lineage has a belt system). I moved to China in 2005 and trained Shuai Jiao there for years under the legendary Grandmaster Li Ba Ru (in mainland China there is no ranking system). In Beijing I was the first BJJ Black Belt to open a JJ school in China and I would periodically bring Master Li to do seminars, which my JJ students appreciated. I also let many of my teacher's students to train at my academy for free. Most people that train Chinese Wrestling in China do not come from wealthy families because Chinese parents that have money will insist on their kids learning musical instruments, art and studying and would't allow their kids to do Shuai Jiao. With MMA becoming more and more popular, there has been a slight resurgence of Shuai Jiao in China but, sadly not a big one. Its a beautiful martial art with amazing throws and 100% without and BS. Chinese wrestlers are tough as nails.
Yeah, in Shanghai outside of the Shanghai Sports University, I only know a couple of guys who even teach shuai jiao, and they’re both quite old. At least in this part of China, you have to know a guy who knows a guy to even train in Chinese folk wrestling.
Shuai Jiao is awesome and I’m glad you covered it, especially the parts about the historical contexts of jackets and combat (staying on your feet). Awesome job, guys!
This is so strange and great, I just started reading the book "Chinese fast wrestling for fighting. The art of San Shou Kuai Jiao throws, takedowns, and ground fighting." And really had no real idea of what to expect. Thanks for the added insights into this new hobby.
To my knowledge Shuai Jiao is a competitive sport whereas san shou kuai Jiao is more like quick ways of taking down the opponent designed more for defense Sometimes added to various boxing arts Sometimes practiced in isolated. Could be wrong as I also understand that there are different styles of shuai Jiao all hailing from the various regions of China. Chances are kuai Jiao could be one of them. Dunno but Would be interesting to find out.
If you wanna know more you should definitely visit ROC Taiwan, bao ding style shuai jiao is deep rooted in Taiwan, we have grand master Chen dong sheng 's son Chen da wei（常達偉） teaching in the policy academy and grand master kou sheng ( 郭慎), his also the last remaining shen xi style shuai jiao ( Chinese style GR wrestling) master in the world
Thank you for highlighting my favorite martial art. I have been practicing it for 55 years. A fun fact is that this is required training at the Taiwan police academy. Also if you are in a park practicing some one always comes up to you to asks what style you are doing then they tell you what you are doing wrong. But if you say shuai jiao the say oh and turn and leave because one mostly police and military practice this and two practitioners are always looking for a match. One again thank you !
I was lucky to find a good Shuai Jiao teacher and have been training in this art for just over 2 years now. I'm glad Ramsey is highlighting this on his channel. It's a really fun sport and rule set. An interesting thing he mentions briefly is how common no-jacket techniques are in Shuai Jiao. In the Beijing Shuai Jiao I've been training, most classes and practice are actually without the jacket. You put the jacket on occasionally to work grip fighting with the jacket or when you are gearing up for a tournament. Being able to grab the legs and the short sleeves makes the over-under position you see in western folk wrestling much more common even with the jacket on. Anyway, thanks for highlighting this amazing art!
Ramsey I like that you gave Shuai Jiao a video. I myself was in Taiwan for 3 years doing Shuai Jiao. You're in China so finding top level Shuaijiaoshou shouldn't be too hard. If you'd like to discuss this stuff I'm down! Now, for the rules, it used to be 1 throw wins, only soles of feet can touch the ground, like in Mongol "janggat Bokh" (a particular Mongolian wrestling style). When it was brought to Taiwan it had changed already to the best of 2 out of 3. First to 2 throws/trips/takedowns wins. Nowadays, as you outlined, it is a 3,2,1 point system. The jacket is quite interesting and descends from the style of the Qing dynasty, Mongol-Manchu influence, and I feel, compared to my experiences in no-gi and Judo, gives you the ability to work jacket-style set ups and techniques while not invalidating no-jacket tactics. It also rewards techniques that tend to work better in combat situations where you don't want to be entangled on the ground (as you noted), and encourages you to seek elbow control. Typically, we seek to use our non-dominant hand (say, left hand) to control the inside of their right sleeve (typically their dominant hand), and begin setting up gripping and movement, tearing away their grips, and trop them up. I hope you're able to devote more time to it as an art unto itself, since there's tactics and flavors to the wrestling in Shuai Jiao that are distinct or somewhat different than what we see in Freestyle, Judo, and Sambo and those differences are worth exploring.
Cung Le was partially using Shuai Jiao in his fighting days as part of Wushu Sanda. Shuai Jiao is developed even further in Sanda and has really powerful counter techniques. The best part I like about Shuai Jiao is that techniques are really intuitive , simple and efficient.
I love that rule set. I'm really surprised I haven't heard more about this art. Not going down, but able to attack the legs. Iv recently become a fan of sumo, and desperately want to try the real thing someday, apart just goofing around at the gym with a few guys. It's really curious as to how many cultures have secretive jacket, or belt, or both grappling systems. I recently heard theirs an Irish form of judo from long ago no one talks about. It lacked ground fighting apparently, but had all of the throws and sweeps, etc. Shame it's not more popularized.
Irish collar and elbow is a fixed grip style, it wouldn't have the dynamic grips of judo. It would have many high throws and sweeps like judo does but that's actually universal to all cultures grappling styles. I've seen some guys practice Scottish backhold wrestling to rack up the matt time getting good at one grip but collar and elbow grip is less popular
You should look into African wrestling styles as well like Senegalese Wrestling also known as Njom or Lutte, it's pretty brutal and they even have local championships both in Senegal and Gambia, then there's the one arm boxing or Dambe of Nigeria....folk fighting arts from around the world are quite fascinating when you take that deep dive into it.
@TheDevourerOfPancake I'm familiar with the traditional collar and elbow. This however was mentioned as a cotton coat grip style of grappling that focused heavily on foot sweeps apparently, and ofcourse the occasional throw. I tried looking it up, but I haven't had much success. A friend with some Irish roots had mentioned it. There's a good chance that it had judo influence, or traditional Japanese jiu jitsu influence much like bartitsu did in the 19th century.
@CyborgChicken Brutal indeed. I would of still had faith in Royce in ufc 1 if they would of brought one of those heavy weights in, but wow would they have given some people alot of trouble no doubt.
You should collab with Lavell Marshall! He's a Shuai Jiao champ from America who's been living in Inner Mongolia training and competing in Bokh the last few years
Because it’s easier to make. All you need is good cloth and a skilled clothes maker. Trying to arm all your soldiers with leader or metal based armour is economically not practical.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 also, wearing it would be a disadvantage in the climates they were fighting in. When you're close to the equator it's too hot to be wearing metal
@@benjaminlamptey1867 I forgot about that fact. Yeah it is impractical to wear metal or leather based armour in those hot climates. You would die from dehydration rather than an enemy weapon lol.
Beautifull, all the grappling I learned so far from TCMA have the same focus as shuai jiao, remain standing yourself after you throw your oponent. Or at the very least land on top and if posible in a way that allows you to quickly get back up. One form from taiji mantis that I know in fact has some techniques and concepts from a folk wrestling style the founder of taiji mantis practiced. I loved this video to bits and I'd love if you make more.
Thank you coach. I always enjoy it when you bring us knowledge about these styles and techniques that are now forgotten by the masses but were once used by people who trusted their life with them. I believe these are the best sources of inspiration to develop new effective techniques for modern mma.
I like Suiaijiao for self defense, both for emphasizing staying on your feet and because this style of jacket better applies to how an assailant is typically dressed. You can't depend on having the huge sleeves in Judo, or being as slippery as a greased pig in MMA. But even a cotton t-shirt can make a decent grip if you bunch up the sleeve and pull the armpits around the shoulder.
I'm so glad you made this video. I have been planning on taking Shuai Jiao to compliment my Chinese and American boxing because the footwork is similar to Chinese boxing. Great video!
This is really cool! I have trained a bit of Shuai Jiao here in the UK. Sadly as a MA Shaui Jiao isn't very widely known about or taught. It does have some very good takedowns and contains a good mix of Gi and No-Gi throws. It has helped me a lot in BJJ competition. A great thing to train alongside other Grappling arts if your are lucky enough to find a teacher. Sadly because of work and commitments at my BJJ gym I haven't been able to attend very many Shuai Jiao classes at all since covid. But It still finds it's way into my standing technique training for BJJ. Awesome video!
I swear, all your martial arts videos are cool! You’re my favorite RUclips channel for martial arts. No nonsense and very informative. Keep up the great work. ✌️
Interesting comparison with Ringen, German war wrestling, where ground work is absolutely included because you need to be able to finish an opponent in armor. You're probably also in full plate harness, so you don't have as much to worry about a third party running up behind you, OR you're in a judicial duel and don't have to worry about it at all. Sigmund ain Ringeck has some great stuff. The Glasgow Fechtbuch (lit. "fight book") has a really cool donkey mount kneebar. I'd love to see you look at some of the HEMA wrestling treatises on Wiktenauer and get your thoughts - I've tried to get more and more HEMA guys into the wrestling because it's by far what the old masters wrote most about, as cool as swords are.
Oh, but there actually was a lot of "friendly" (sport) wrestling in late medieval Europe that was described as being "to first throw" which is very similar. They always describe it simply as being friendly or honorable though, not that it has some tactical advantage, but I can see that being an origin.
It seems like this philosophy of throwing while staying up is very present in a lot of Chinese styles. Unfortunately I feel like more often than not teachings focus on stricking and forget that part a bit. Thanks for the video, it is really good!
It honestly kind of resembles Bokh, Mongolian Wrestling with some Judo and Greco elements to it as well - btw, those Mongolian Wrestlers are absolutely massive! Any ideas how they came to be so jacked?
Almost solely meat diet lol. Mongolians eat a crazy amount of meat. And a lot of physical labor still happens in Mongolia (mining, ranching, herding, etc.)
Shuai Jao, Sireum (Korea), and Sumo (Japan) are all descended or at least heavily influenced by mongol wrestling during the mongol empire. As for the physiques of Bohk wrestlers, they just look like beefy farm boys to me, probably because that is exactly what they are.
@@TheDevourerOfPancake Farmer strength is really something else eh? Even farmers here who are skinny and struggle from poverty are still absolute units when it comes time to work
@@TheDevourerOfPancake Japanese Martial Arts including Sumo(Karate is not Japanese) had no real influence from The Main Land which is fairly obvious via how different Japanese martial arts developed.
I really like Shuai Jiao! I just recently started training it with a training partner and of the 36 basic techniques I'd say 25-28 are directly applicable/useful in modern MMA. Many of them work well in a no gi/vest situation.
I forgot to say that my brown belt jiu jitsu training partner calls it "arm bar city" because a majority of the throws end in the perfect setup for an arm bar.
jiujitsu was also originally for battlefield. That's why throws where you go to the ground are 'sacrifice' throws, because you could be sacrificing your life if you went to the ground! It's good you clarify these things because a lot of younguns these days have lost sense of the purpose of different martial arts.
Gotta admit that technically shuai jiao is way better for self defence than judo because : 1) leg grips 2) 100% wrestling in the rack and if the second point (lack of ground) is still in doubt (no control on the ground , no submissions), the first gives a huge advantage over judo. As someone whose basic wrestling form is khapsagai , I can say that wrestling “to the third point” (when you cannot touch the ground with anything other than your feet, otherwise you will lose) I can say that this type of wrestling simply develops CRAZY balance in fight and the very good ability to throw an opponent
I remember all the years ago when I had my first contact with your channel. Was on a moment about, I don't like to say roasting, was giving a reality check to the traps that exists in traditional martial arts the way a lot of them are nowadays. And I remember that I get upset cause my teacher and style for what I knows is effective. But it didn't put me away, you are a great coach and a great speaker. And to see the recent videos you doing proving that there's value to traditional arts but you need to understand and even better learn from someone who is legit, bring real joy to my heart. Always hoping for the best for you and your family. That your lifes be prosperous and healthy.
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS to me what made the biggest difference in my fighting was all the grappling he advised. It made understand better and lose the fear. With knowledge comes power
The understanding is what gives it value. Simply aping motions without understanding why they are done this or that way results in a decades or centuries long game of telephone where the motions mutate away from something actually useful.
Thanks for the background on shuai jiao, I've always been curious about it and looks like it would be fun to try. Also, the armour history was great too. Just to add a sidenote, Korea also had padded armour, as well as at one point in history, they made a cloth armour with small thin metal plates sewn inside, called durumagi.
I invented the perfect relaxation system after going out there and training everything. After trainings while driving or walking home, pick a video where Ramsey talks about something and just listen. Works every time!
Ramsey! Thank you so much for showing us this style of folk wrestling I didn't know anything about previously. I love grappling styles as a whole, but folk wrestling styles are special. Its interesting that nearly every culture has had its own style of folk wrestling; there's something very human about wrestling. I think the 'self-defense' community should pick up a lot of these folk wrestling styles, simply because their rules emphasize staying on your feet. If, God forbid, you have to fight someone, what could be better for dealing with the potential of multiple attackers than being good at putting the first guy on the ground without going with him? Then you can run for your life if need be. Its also a much 'gentler' response than busting his head open.
I really like these type of vids and as I said a couple years ago on your livestream please find the like best in this style, bagua, etc and showcase the ones that look the best and can really apply plz you have some access so show those that deserve it and see the better in different styles we don't get to see if you can. I wrote you back on the kick vid
I will say that Shuai Jiao is great as a compliment to weapons training, particularly melee. there is of course a slight difference between a duel and battlefield melee.
Ramsey puts in great work and he’s got a great sense of humor I love his zany videos the best with the costumes and wigs . Also a video of how too beat up a dude on the beach with short sleeves .
Yep. A lot of people don’t know that quilted fabric is cut resistant. There’s a very important reason it was used as armor by cultures across the world throughout history.
Years ago I trained with a guy who taught “self defence” (don’t judge me) and hehe had a background in shuai jiao and also taught us elements of Qin na was really good stuff and when I took up mma a lot of it transferred well. Shame he doesn’t teach anymore
i like the video, pretty cool to see the differences between judo (an art I'm familiar with) and shuiajiao. those shoulder jacket grips look like they could make for a really nasty tai otoshi with all the rotational energy you're able to build up in that grip. ive also seen a different grip used in the shuaijiao version of a ippon seoi nage where the opposite arm is used and the grip is made behind the neck done specifically for armored opponents which i found very interesting. this part is completely unrelated to the shiajiao discussion but i know you're a big elder scrolls fan and think you would enjoy the dark souls series of games, it has a similar dark fantasy setting and really embodies the "get out there and train" philosophy in a Ludo narrative sense and has a stat system quite similar to DnD. yet again completely unrelated, just one gamer giving a honest recommendation to another :)
I’ve played Dark Souls. People on the internet keep crying about how hard it is. Well I have something to say to them: you young wiper snappers don’t know the meaning of hard! Back in my day, we had Battletoads! You think Dark Souls is hard? Try level 3 of Battletoads! No one gets past level three on Battletoads.
Imagine if all traditional Chinese martial arts included Shuai Jiao practice. Absolute game changer. I do think the rules should be changed so if you throw a guy but fall down, you should still get the points if you stand up immediately. Shuai Jiao rules would not award points to a suplex, because most likely you would hit the ground. But in real life suplex on concrete could paralyze your opponent and you’d be up in one second. Shuai Jiao guys wouldn’t know how to defend against this kind of take downs because the rules prevent them from getting exposed to it.
Coach, I have a question for you! As an MMA coach, pro fighter, judge and referee, you saw the "sport" from all angles. Can we agree that all fighters put on the best show when they are actually angry? Did you notice that all of the "fancy stuff" goes out of the window at that time? Why then does everyone (well, in movies at least) say that anger is "your enemy" in a fight? From personal experience all I can say is that anger saved my a** more than a dozen of times in unfortunate altercations and in hard sparring". God be with you! Edit: shortened it 😅
@@RamseyDewey Thank you for the answer. Still I think you misunderstood me. The question was geared towards the view of the fight game as a whole. In the best matches I ever watched, technique went out, finesse went out, the only thing that stayed was heart. And the sad thing is that people forgot the pioneer days of MMA and NHB, because MMA has turned into point fighting, while it should have tried to emulate true combat. So, what do you think when you see early UFC and Pride and look at the state of the sport now? Edit: rephrased comment
i had a huge smile with the first sparring : Feng was looking for the sleeves and the wrists which is typical from judo practitionner. edit : Ramsey, you mention battlefied wrestling... but does it work FO DA STREETZ !?
This is also why karate had little to no ground work, because it was the Okinawan version of this. Only strikes, throws, takedowns and gross motor movement style locks. Unfortunately, karate lost most of its stand up grappling in the transition from Okinawa to Japan, since Japan already had Jujutsu, Judo and Sumo, so they weren't interested in the grappling aspect of karate, which came from Tegumi, the native Okinawan folk wrestling style. Tegumi was done shirtless or in jackets very similar to these, probably because of the Chinese influence on Okinawa going back to the late 14th century. Today, it's a become a belt wrestling style, done in a judo/karate gi, but it wasn't always like that. Thankfully, there's been a resurgence of karateka learning the stand up grappling techniques contained in their kata by cross training in arts such as Shuai Jiao and Judo. The grappling in the kata of karate is easy to see for someone trained in arts like this.
Thanks so much for shining the light on this almost forgotten, yet very effective Chinese fighting system! Seems like the flashy Kung Fu styles had better marketing, even though way less practical.
I wish I was there to practice its a very practical technique as a person thats focusing on kickboxing, Kung Fu & teakwondo i would love to practice judo with Shaui Jao Grappling.
Aikido founder Morhei Yoshiba says, “A mind that serves peace for all human beings in the world is needed in aikido, not the mind of one who desires to be strong or who only exercises to bring down an opponent.”
This looks fun, Honestly I can totally see it, Since most hema I have done has been with jackets/gambersons. I bet this sort of an art would probably be effective there even if not historically european. It is a historical chineese art which is super cool! I would love to see more Shuai Jiao content, If you know of any book or other resource recs I would love to hear them as well.
I think you would have fun with Irish Collar and Elbow wrestling. As the name implies it's a jacket style of wrestling with fixed grip on the collar and the elbow. As you can guess only leg techniques are allowed.
@@RamseyDewey the person behind the youtube channel, and podcast, The Hero With A Thousand Holds is the one started the revival of this once very popular style of wrestling. You will find plenty of useful vidéos on his channel
When they first invented Sanda, the Shuai Jiao guys were winning all the competitions so they changed the rules so that you can’t do leg grabs and only catch kicks. They also only allow 2 second clinches. This was supposed to make Sanda more competitive for other martial art styles. IMO this was a huge mistake because Shuai Jiao athletes were pushed out while traditional martial artists weren’t interested in competition anyways. MMA used to be completely dominated by wrestlers but eventually strikers learned how to win. Sanda could have been a better sport without those early rule changes. They should change them back. Use MMA gloves, wear jackets or allow grabbing the chest protector.
It's all politics and martial arts meta and it sucks, I was having a lengthy rant about this in a previous video but it's the biggest clubs that butcher and change the styles to the point that when they're done correctly or in a more practical way people think it's 'wrong' and it's being changed, no, it's the other way around. The 'incorrect' way is actually the correct way. Shotokan suffers from this exact same problem and it's interesting how it's happened with Chinese martial arts as well, lots of kata moves especially in Shotokan can in fact be used for joint locks, grappling and even throwing/wrestling under the right circumstances and even the basic techniques can be repurposed slightly as Ramsey showed in his previous video to break grips etc. When you understand this it's remarkable how much breadth a style really has compared to peoples' misconceptions about it and it is definitely a shame because there are entire styles and ways of teaching being destroyed by these arseholes who want to rig things because they're butthurt.
The rules of mma were changed to favor striking as it became more popular tothe increase viewers by adding banning shoes, adding rounds, breaks & stand-ups. This has happened in virtually every combat sport that favors hits the wrestling & grappling aspects are usually legislated to minimize or penalize it. For instance Shotokan had more takedowns now if only allows sweeps in competition. Boxing had standing wrestling that was banned by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.q
The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet! It would be especially cool to see you expound some general principles regarding how to successfully think about positioning etc. if your goal is to stay on your feet, in addition to specific techniques.
"The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet!"
@@thecollector6746 Actually, yes. I have looked for a Judo school in the area where I live, but I have not seen one that doesn't appear to be a total McDojo.
@@mattlawyer3245 You don't seem to know anything about Judo, yet you are sure the dojos you visited are ""McDojos"(There's a reason why Judo McDojos arent actually a thing,,,because they dont exist)? Did you actual visit these Dojos and train ?
@@thecollector6746 Not sure what makes you think you know what I do or don't know about judo, but you appear to be making some assumptions and using them as the basis for a fight via your challenges to my statements. I'm not interested in that, so don't expect to hear more from me. In the unlikely event that you're writing in good faith, I'll just add for your sake that it should be sufficient for your purposes to know that multiple past attempts to locate a judo school in my area have revealed that the martial art is practically not represented at all among the schools to which I have access. My reference to McDojos is mainly to cover the fringe cases of non-judo schools claiming to incorporate judo into what they teach. I didn't realize you'd take the term McDojo to have particularly fixed meaning, as I interpret the word as having a fairly flexible meaning under which Judo McDojos certainly can and do exist. I used the word simply to say that the little pseudo-representation that judo does have in my area is insufficient to meet my needs. Best to you.
If you ever decide to do other video on SJ perhaps you should discuss it with Mu Shin Martial Culture and TriEssence Martial Arts. both made a few videos on the art, very informative.
Hahahahaha! Awesome! Now that I think of it, Baraka from Mortal Kombat 2 wears a white Shuaijiao jacket with red trim…. Woah… did I just accidentally cosplay?
Why am I just hearing about this style of wrestling? This could be very useful in many situations. I think the biggest mistake people make today is going to the ground in street fights. Most of these people get tunnel vision and forget that they leave themselves open to more attacks on the ground. You might grapple out of a one on one but how often does that happen in the real world?
In my area one gym started to offer Shuai Jiao recently and I'm very curious about it, so I'm glad that you made this video. Unfortunately the training is only at times where I have to work, but I will hopefully be able to try it out soon.
@@RamseyDewey We have our Indian system of grappling and wrestling. There are numerous techniques and not a single one I relies on shirt grabbing. Perhaps Hot climate forced Indians to not wear shirts
I had been doing Shuai Jiao, in a addition to other arts in JKD with my Sifu for about 2 years, but then I stopped. I haven’t been to Sifu in a while, been training on my own. But it’s hard to train SJ by yourself so I’m gonna have to go back.
You should look into armored combat or Buhurt, basically it's what's being described here (battle field wrestling). 5 on 5 combat with steel armor and weapons, last man standing wins. If you go down you're out and you have to be careful with pinning someone to a wall like in mma cus someone can come from behind and wack you with an axe. Also the low shots the mma guy was doing are next to impossible when you're wearing a 16-18 lb helmet as well as the fact that lowering your head like that also exposes the back of your neck which is often a gap in the armor allowing for some one to jam a dagger in there.
When I started learning kungbfu, my brother inlaw tought me what he just called wrestling. I was 18 before someone told me what the Chinese name for it was. I felt very silly, when we wrestled in the baracks and I would toss someone to the ground and them my ignorant self would wait for them to get up, and they would not get up so we were both just looking at eachother...waiting for the other to keep "wrestling"
Shuai Jiao is fun. I can say - having trained Shuaijiao at a Gracie gym, with BJJ and Judo players, Shuaijiao is much different. If you train somewhere where they do it square like Judo, you’re missing out on a really cool new addition to your skillset. Wheeling / Unbalancing is the prime skill of Shuaijiao. While you are grip fighting and hand fighting, your legs and torso are constantly moving, stepping around, cutting angles, and trying to spin the person off balance. It is much more aggressive, with a lot of sumo like pushing off as well, and some sneaky grip breaking. Even guys with a lot more competitive experience and years training used to have a lot of problems with my teacher at the gym because of his constant activity. It feels like trying to Hug a tornado LOL. His son also competes in high school wrestling and does well.
A lot of the sweeps and leg attacks here by the students will get you thrown because they step in before achieving connection, the minute you lift your foot, you’re spinning off balance. It’s very frustrating experience LOL. A lot of competition teaching now has leaned more towards slower play, and even just pushing the person out of bounds. It’s different to watch
Also, if you train with someone with more of a Mongolian flavor, their leg attacks and over the back grips are ssssick because Their jackets don’t have a lapel.
The next time I'm in Vancouver, I'm actively going to try and find a school that teaches this and try it out. It looks like they may have something. You just got me incredibly curious about it.
@@Xzontyr Any luck on finding anything within Van? I'm looking for the same thing.
@jinlau1949 At the time, unfortunately, my trip to Vancouver was canceled. However I had phoned ahead looking for it, and there was one place that taught it. It was in one of the schools that also taught other traditional Chinese martial arts. I tried googling it, and it seems alot of other schools have opened up or something because there's a fairly large selection now. I can't rememeber which one it was, however yes, one of them does, hopefully more now.
@@Xzontyr Thanks bud, will look into it further!
@jinlau1949 no prob, good luck.
I am a BJJ instructor, and I've trained Shuai Jiao in the US, having earned a black belt in this style (in the US Shuai Jiao that comes form Grandmaster Chang Dung Shen's lineage has a belt system). I moved to China in 2005 and trained Shuai Jiao there for years under the legendary Grandmaster Li Ba Ru (in mainland China there is no ranking system). In Beijing I was the first BJJ Black Belt to open a JJ school in China and I would periodically bring Master Li to do seminars, which my JJ students appreciated. I also let many of my teacher's students to train at my academy for free. Most people that train Chinese Wrestling in China do not come from wealthy families because Chinese parents that have money will insist on their kids learning musical instruments, art and studying and would't allow their kids to do Shuai Jiao. With MMA becoming more and more popular, there has been a slight resurgence of Shuai Jiao in China but, sadly not a big one. Its a beautiful martial art with amazing throws and 100% without and BS. Chinese wrestlers are tough as nails.
Yeah, in Shanghai outside of the Shanghai Sports University, I only know a couple of guys who even teach shuai jiao, and they’re both quite old. At least in this part of China, you have to know a guy who knows a guy to even train in Chinese folk wrestling.
Shuai Jiao is awesome and I’m glad you covered it, especially the parts about the historical contexts of jackets and combat (staying on your feet). Awesome job, guys!
This is so strange and great, I just started reading the book "Chinese fast wrestling for fighting. The art of San Shou Kuai Jiao throws, takedowns, and ground fighting." And really had no real idea of what to expect. Thanks for the added insights into this new hobby.
To my knowledge Shuai Jiao is a competitive sport whereas san shou kuai Jiao is more like quick ways of taking down the opponent designed more for defense Sometimes added to various boxing arts Sometimes practiced in isolated. Could be wrong as I also understand that there are different styles of shuai Jiao all hailing from the various regions of China. Chances are kuai Jiao could be one of them. Dunno but Would be interesting to find out.
If you wanna know more you should definitely visit ROC Taiwan, bao ding style shuai jiao is deep rooted in Taiwan, we have grand master Chen dong sheng 's son Chen da wei（常達偉） teaching in the policy academy and grand master kou sheng ( 郭慎), his also the last remaining shen xi style shuai jiao ( Chinese style GR wrestling) master in the world
Thank you for highlighting my favorite martial art. I have been practicing it for 55 years. A fun fact is that this is required training at the Taiwan police academy. Also if you are in a park practicing some one always comes up to you to asks what style you are doing then they tell you what you are doing wrong. But if you say shuai jiao the say oh and turn and leave because one mostly police and military practice this and two practitioners are always looking for a match. One again thank you !
I was lucky to find a good Shuai Jiao teacher and have been training in this art for just over 2 years now. I'm glad Ramsey is highlighting this on his channel. It's a really fun sport and rule set. An interesting thing he mentions briefly is how common no-jacket techniques are in Shuai Jiao. In the Beijing Shuai Jiao I've been training, most classes and practice are actually without the jacket. You put the jacket on occasionally to work grip fighting with the jacket or when you are gearing up for a tournament. Being able to grab the legs and the short sleeves makes the over-under position you see in western folk wrestling much more common even with the jacket on. Anyway, thanks for highlighting this amazing art!
Ramsey I like that you gave Shuai Jiao a video. I myself was in Taiwan for 3 years doing Shuai Jiao. You're in China so finding top level Shuaijiaoshou shouldn't be too hard. If you'd like to discuss this stuff I'm down! Now, for the rules, it used to be 1 throw wins, only soles of feet can touch the ground, like in Mongol "janggat Bokh" (a particular Mongolian wrestling style). When it was brought to Taiwan it had changed already to the best of 2 out of 3. First to 2 throws/trips/takedowns wins. Nowadays, as you outlined, it is a 3,2,1 point system. The jacket is quite interesting and descends from the style of the Qing dynasty, Mongol-Manchu influence, and I feel, compared to my experiences in no-gi and Judo, gives you the ability to work jacket-style set ups and techniques while not invalidating no-jacket tactics. It also rewards techniques that tend to work better in combat situations where you don't want to be entangled on the ground (as you noted), and encourages you to seek elbow control. Typically, we seek to use our non-dominant hand (say, left hand) to control the inside of their right sleeve (typically their dominant hand), and begin setting up gripping and movement, tearing away their grips, and trop them up. I hope you're able to devote more time to it as an art unto itself, since there's tactics and flavors to the wrestling in Shuai Jiao that are distinct or somewhat different than what we see in Freestyle, Judo, and Sambo and those differences are worth exploring.
Cung Le was partially using Shuai Jiao in his fighting days as part of Wushu Sanda. Shuai Jiao is developed even further in Sanda and has really powerful counter techniques. The best part I like about Shuai Jiao is that techniques are really intuitive , simple and efficient.
Man it was beautiful watching him back in the day. Yeah, he had that sanda style with that American wrestling strength
I love that rule set. I'm really surprised I haven't heard more about this art. Not going down, but able to attack the legs. Iv recently become a fan of sumo, and desperately want to try the real thing someday, apart just goofing around at the gym with a few guys. It's really curious as to how many cultures have secretive jacket, or belt, or both grappling systems. I recently heard theirs an Irish form of judo from long ago no one talks about. It lacked ground fighting apparently, but had all of the throws and sweeps, etc. Shame it's not more popularized.
Irish collar and elbow is a fixed grip style, it wouldn't have the dynamic grips of judo. It would have many high throws and sweeps like judo does but that's actually universal to all cultures grappling styles. I've seen some guys practice Scottish backhold wrestling to rack up the matt time getting good at one grip but collar and elbow grip is less popular
You should look into African wrestling styles as well like Senegalese Wrestling also known as Njom or Lutte, it's pretty brutal and they even have local championships both in Senegal and Gambia, then there's the one arm boxing or Dambe of Nigeria....folk fighting arts from around the world are quite fascinating when you take that deep dive into it.
@TheDevourerOfPancake I'm familiar with the traditional collar and elbow. This however was mentioned as a cotton coat grip style of grappling that focused heavily on foot sweeps apparently, and ofcourse the occasional throw. I tried looking it up, but I haven't had much success. A friend with some Irish roots had mentioned it. There's a good chance that it had judo influence, or traditional Japanese jiu jitsu influence much like bartitsu did in the 19th century.
@CyborgChicken Brutal indeed. I would of still had faith in Royce in ufc 1 if they would of brought one of those heavy weights in, but wow would they have given some people alot of trouble no doubt.
Try Vietnamese Vật (aka Vietnam wrestling)
Historical origins of different styles and techniques, it's always exciting.
Thank you Ramsey 🙏
You should collab with Lavell Marshall! He's a Shuai Jiao champ from America who's been living in Inner Mongolia training and competing in Bokh the last few years
Nordic folk wrestling, called GLIMA, has slightly different rules sets but a similar focus and origin as battlefield wrestling.
Very cool to see. Shuai Jiao was the first martial art I trained and flavored my outlook on martial arts ever since.
Such jackets were also worn by Sahelian infantry. It was almost a universal uniform for soldiers in medieval times
Because it’s easier to make. All you need is good cloth and a skilled clothes maker. Trying to arm all your soldiers with leader or metal based armour is economically not practical.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 also, wearing it would be a disadvantage in the climates they were fighting in. When you're close to the equator it's too hot to be wearing metal
@@benjaminlamptey1867 I forgot about that fact. Yeah it is impractical to wear metal or leather based armour in those hot climates. You would die from dehydration rather than an enemy weapon lol.
Beautifull, all the grappling I learned so far from TCMA have the same focus as shuai jiao, remain standing yourself after you throw your oponent. Or at the very least land on top and if posible in a way that allows you to quickly get back up.
One form from taiji mantis that I know in fact has some techniques and concepts from a folk wrestling style the founder of taiji mantis practiced.
I loved this video to bits and I'd love if you make more.
Awesome, thanks!
Thank you coach. I always enjoy it when you bring us knowledge about these styles and techniques that are now forgotten by the masses but were once used by people who trusted their life with them. I believe these are the best sources of inspiration to develop new effective techniques for modern mma.
I like Suiaijiao for self defense, both for emphasizing staying on your feet and because this style of jacket better applies to how an assailant is typically dressed. You can't depend on having the huge sleeves in Judo, or being as slippery as a greased pig in MMA. But even a cotton t-shirt can make a decent grip if you bunch up the sleeve and pull the armpits around the shoulder.
I would like to see more about Chinese martial arts scenario. Thank you for showing this content. Cheers!
Contents in this channel are always so great that I pressed the bell. Thank you "Sifu" Dewey.
Wow, thank you!
I'm so glad you made this video. I have been planning on taking Shuai Jiao to compliment my Chinese and American boxing because the footwork is similar to Chinese boxing. Great video!
Ramsey is such a respectful great martial artist and well educated
Well thanks!
This is really cool! I have trained a bit of Shuai Jiao here in the UK. Sadly as a MA Shaui Jiao isn't very widely known about or taught. It does have some very good takedowns and contains a good mix of Gi and No-Gi throws. It has helped me a lot in BJJ competition. A great thing to train alongside other Grappling arts if your are lucky enough to find a teacher. Sadly because of work and commitments at my BJJ gym I haven't been able to attend very many Shuai Jiao classes at all since covid. But It still finds it's way into my standing technique training for BJJ.
Awesome video!
Where in UK can you do Shaun Jiao?
I swear, all your martial arts videos are cool! You’re my favorite RUclips channel for martial arts. No nonsense and very informative. Keep up the great work. ✌️
Thank you!
Interesting comparison with Ringen, German war wrestling, where ground work is absolutely included because you need to be able to finish an opponent in armor. You're probably also in full plate harness, so you don't have as much to worry about a third party running up behind you, OR you're in a judicial duel and don't have to worry about it at all. Sigmund ain Ringeck has some great stuff. The Glasgow Fechtbuch (lit. "fight book") has a really cool donkey mount kneebar. I'd love to see you look at some of the HEMA wrestling treatises on Wiktenauer and get your thoughts - I've tried to get more and more HEMA guys into the wrestling because it's by far what the old masters wrote most about, as cool as swords are.
Oh, but there actually was a lot of "friendly" (sport) wrestling in late medieval Europe that was described as being "to first throw" which is very similar. They always describe it simply as being friendly or honorable though, not that it has some tactical advantage, but I can see that being an origin.
It seems like this philosophy of throwing while staying up is very present in a lot of Chinese styles. Unfortunately I feel like more often than not teachings focus on stricking and forget that part a bit.
Thanks for the video, it is really good!
6:42 - "Ok, I've got a whole video on how to do that... Not the oil check, the takedown"
Dewey, Ramsey.
Dewey is my last name, by the way.
@@RamseyDewey I know, the meme format involves putting the family name before the first name.
😅 he saves the other one for his Only Fans page.
"I love sacrifice throws, i love them to death!" Ramsey 2023
I kind of like the concept of staying standing for self defense
It honestly kind of resembles Bokh, Mongolian Wrestling with some Judo and Greco elements to it as well - btw, those Mongolian Wrestlers are absolutely massive! Any ideas how they came to be so jacked?
Almost solely meat diet lol. Mongolians eat a crazy amount of meat. And a lot of physical labor still happens in Mongolia (mining, ranching, herding, etc.)
Shuai Jao, Sireum (Korea), and Sumo (Japan) are all descended or at least heavily influenced by mongol wrestling during the mongol empire. As for the physiques of Bohk wrestlers, they just look like beefy farm boys to me, probably because that is exactly what they are.
@@TheDevourerOfPancake Farmer strength is really something else eh? Even farmers here who are skinny and struggle from poverty are still absolute units when it comes time to work
@@TheDevourerOfPancake Japanese Martial Arts including Sumo(Karate is not Japanese) had no real influence from The Main Land which is fairly obvious via how different Japanese martial arts developed.
@@didjitalone9544 No...there actually isn't.
Been waiting on a jacket wrestling video ❤❤❤
I really like Shuai Jiao! I just recently started training it with a training partner and of the 36 basic techniques I'd say 25-28 are directly applicable/useful in modern MMA. Many of them work well in a no gi/vest situation.
I forgot to say that my brown belt jiu jitsu training partner calls it "arm bar city" because a majority of the throws end in the perfect setup for an arm bar.
jiujitsu was also originally for battlefield. That's why throws where you go to the ground are 'sacrifice' throws, because you could be sacrificing your life if you went to the ground! It's good you clarify these things because a lot of younguns these days have lost sense of the purpose of different martial arts.
Gotta admit that technically shuai jiao is way better for self defence than judo because :
1) leg grips
2) 100% wrestling in the rack
and if the second point (lack of ground) is still in doubt (no control on the ground , no submissions), the first gives a huge advantage over judo.
As someone whose basic wrestling form is khapsagai , I can say that wrestling “to the third point” (when you cannot touch the ground with anything other than your feet, otherwise you will lose) I can say that this type of wrestling simply develops CRAZY balance in fight and the very good ability to throw an opponent
I remember all the years ago when I had my first contact with your channel. Was on a moment about, I don't like to say roasting, was giving a reality check to the traps that exists in traditional martial arts the way a lot of them are nowadays. And I remember that I get upset cause my teacher and style for what I knows is effective. But it didn't put me away, you are a great coach and a great speaker. And to see the recent videos you doing proving that there's value to traditional arts but you need to understand and even better learn from someone who is legit, bring real joy to my heart.
Always hoping for the best for you and your family. That your lifes be prosperous and healthy.
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS to me what made the biggest difference in my fighting was all the grappling he advised. It made understand better and lose the fear. With knowledge comes power
The understanding is what gives it value. Simply aping motions without understanding why they are done this or that way results in a decades or centuries long game of telephone where the motions mutate away from something actually useful.
I'm glad you finally did Shuai Jiao
Thanks for the background on shuai jiao, I've always been curious about it and looks like it would be fun to try. Also, the armour history was great too. Just to add a sidenote, Korea also had padded armour, as well as at one point in history, they made a cloth armour with small thin metal plates sewn inside, called durumagi.
I invented the perfect relaxation system after going out there and training everything. After trainings while driving or walking home, pick a video where Ramsey talks about something and just listen. Works every time!
Ramsey! Thank you so much for showing us this style of folk wrestling I didn't know anything about previously. I love grappling styles as a whole, but folk wrestling styles are special. Its interesting that nearly every culture has had its own style of folk wrestling; there's something very human about wrestling.
I think the 'self-defense' community should pick up a lot of these folk wrestling styles, simply because their rules emphasize staying on your feet. If, God forbid, you have to fight someone, what could be better for dealing with the potential of multiple attackers than being good at putting the first guy on the ground without going with him? Then you can run for your life if need be. Its also a much 'gentler' response than busting his head open.
I really like these type of vids and as I said a couple years ago on your livestream please find the like best in this style, bagua, etc and showcase the ones that look the best and can really apply plz you have some access so show those that deserve it and see the better in different styles we don't get to see if you can. I wrote you back on the kick vid
Love that you covered this, Ramsey, really cool stuff.
Awesome!!Its true about the battlefield origin.🙂
I will say that Shuai Jiao is great as a compliment to weapons training, particularly melee. there is of course a slight difference between a duel and battlefield melee.
Ramsey puts in great work and he’s got a great sense of humor I love his zany videos the best with the costumes and wigs . Also a video of how too beat up a dude on the beach with short sleeves .
Ramsey is my unknowing voice coach. Best tone, projection and pacing on the net IMO.
What I like is the gripping rules are not as restricted as judo. In Judo is always sleeve/lapel. No one grabs legs or cross grips.
Great that you mentioned that a gambeson can be worn as armor by itself!
Yep. A lot of people don’t know that quilted fabric is cut resistant. There’s a very important reason it was used as armor by cultures across the world throughout history.
Years ago I trained with a guy who taught “self defence” (don’t judge me) and hehe had a background in shuai jiao and also taught us elements of Qin na was really good stuff and when I took up mma a lot of it transferred well. Shame he doesn’t teach anymore
i like the video, pretty cool to see the differences between judo (an art I'm familiar with) and shuiajiao. those shoulder jacket grips look like they could make for a really nasty tai otoshi with all the rotational energy you're able to build up in that grip. ive also seen a different grip used in the shuaijiao version of a ippon seoi nage where the opposite arm is used and the grip is made behind the neck done specifically for armored opponents which i found very interesting.
this part is completely unrelated to the shiajiao discussion but i know you're a big elder scrolls fan and think you would enjoy the dark souls series of games, it has a similar dark fantasy setting and really embodies the "get out there and train" philosophy in a Ludo narrative sense and has a stat system quite similar to DnD. yet again completely unrelated, just one gamer giving a honest recommendation to another :)
I’ve played Dark Souls. People on the internet keep crying about how hard it is. Well I have something to say to them: you young wiper snappers don’t know the meaning of hard! Back in my day, we had Battletoads! You think Dark Souls is hard? Try level 3 of Battletoads! No one gets past level three on Battletoads.
This was very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Ramsey
Awesome content! Thank you Mr. Dewey!
Great video, I'd love to see you grapple with weapons or to talk more about it, its awesome!
Imagine if all traditional Chinese martial arts included Shuai Jiao practice. Absolute game changer.
I do think the rules should be changed so if you throw a guy but fall down, you should still get the points if you stand up immediately. Shuai Jiao rules would not award points to a suplex, because most likely you would hit the ground. But in real life suplex on concrete could paralyze your opponent and you’d be up in one second. Shuai Jiao guys wouldn’t know how to defend against this kind of take downs because the rules prevent them from getting exposed to it.
Well a lot of Chinese martial arts have shuai jiao techniques. Be it in forms or just techniques on their own
Awesome! Looking forward to watching this!
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing!
The lady in the background looked worried about Phang! LOL Great video! Those Gi look like dragonball shirts! Cool!
There was a lady in the background? Are you sure?
@@RamseyDewey She had a mask on watching from outside the workout area... blue jacket? She's there! Don't freak me out! LOL
@@BMO_Creative Oh, one of the people outside the gym watching through the window?
Coach, I have a question for you! As an MMA coach, pro fighter, judge and referee, you saw the "sport" from all angles. Can we agree that all fighters put on the best show when they are actually angry? Did you notice that all of the "fancy stuff" goes out of the window at that time? Why then does everyone (well, in movies at least) say that anger is "your enemy" in a fight? From personal experience all I can say is that anger saved my a** more than a dozen of times in unfortunate altercations and in hard sparring". God be with you! Edit: shortened it 😅
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@@RamseyDewey Thank you for the answer. Still I think you misunderstood me. The question was geared towards the view of the fight game as a whole. In the best matches I ever watched, technique went out, finesse went out, the only thing that stayed was heart. And the sad thing is that people forgot the pioneer days of MMA and NHB, because MMA has turned into point fighting, while it should have tried to emulate true combat. So, what do you think when you see early UFC and Pride and look at the state of the sport now? Edit: rephrased comment
i had a huge smile with the first sparring : Feng was looking for the sleeves and the wrists which is typical from judo practitionner.
edit : Ramsey, you mention battlefied wrestling... but does it work FO DA STREETZ !?
if you have enough friends armed with sticks, yes, I suppose it does. would you want to use it? hopefully no
Nothing works for da streetz, becuz u only needa see red
For the street
Sigh...people are dumb. :(
If martials arts don’t work out for you, you can definitely be on the radio with that voice!
This is also why karate had little to no ground work, because it was the Okinawan version of this. Only strikes, throws, takedowns and gross motor movement style locks. Unfortunately, karate lost most of its stand up grappling in the transition from Okinawa to Japan, since Japan already had Jujutsu, Judo and Sumo, so they weren't interested in the grappling aspect of karate, which came from Tegumi, the native Okinawan folk wrestling style. Tegumi was done shirtless or in jackets very similar to these, probably because of the Chinese influence on Okinawa going back to the late 14th century. Today, it's a become a belt wrestling style, done in a judo/karate gi, but it wasn't always like that. Thankfully, there's been a resurgence of karateka learning the stand up grappling techniques contained in their kata by cross training in arts such as Shuai Jiao and Judo. The grappling in the kata of karate is easy to see for someone trained in arts like this.
Thanks so much for shining the light on this almost forgotten, yet very effective Chinese fighting system! Seems like the flashy Kung Fu styles had better marketing, even though way less practical.
I wish I was there to practice its a very practical technique as a person thats focusing on kickboxing, Kung Fu & teakwondo i would love to practice judo with Shaui Jao Grappling.
great introductory video!
Aikido founder Morhei Yoshiba says, “A mind that serves peace for all human beings in the world is needed in aikido, not the mind of one who desires to be strong or who only exercises to bring down an opponent.”
Top content, Ramsey! Could you be so kind to invite a local expert in Shuai Jiao to showcase it's specifics next time?
This looks fun, Honestly I can totally see it, Since most hema I have done has been with jackets/gambersons. I bet this sort of an art would probably be effective there even if not historically european. It is a historical chineese art which is super cool!
I would love to see more Shuai Jiao content, If you know of any book or other resource recs I would love to hear them as well.
The evolution. We went from mma to wrestling to accient wrestling to hema.
I think you would have fun with Irish Collar and Elbow wrestling. As the name implies it's a jacket style of wrestling with fixed grip on the collar and the elbow. As you can guess only leg techniques are allowed.
Oh wow! Jacketed wrestling with only leg attacks- now I have to try it!
@@RamseyDewey the person behind the youtube channel, and podcast, The Hero With A Thousand Holds is the one started the revival of this once very popular style of wrestling. You will find plenty of useful vidéos on his channel
@@RamseyDewey oh I almost forgot Gouren, the breton folk wrestling that also use jacket and focus on leg techniques
You should interview my teacher Matt Gelfand, he’s competed around the world. Great episode Ramsey.
Sadly these are underrated compared to the world famous striking styles from China
Very cool! Thanks, guys!
Shuaijiao is actually cool af. Sanda fighters use it.
Very very cool!! Fantastic!!!
Shuai Jiao is an almost forgotten art unfortunately
Yeah. And it is the source of many Kung Fu techniques so you need it to make sense of them. This saddens me
Excellent. I really enjoted this video.
When they first invented Sanda, the Shuai Jiao guys were winning all the competitions so they changed the rules so that you can’t do leg grabs and only catch kicks. They also only allow 2 second clinches. This was supposed to make Sanda more competitive for other martial art styles. IMO this was a huge mistake because Shuai Jiao athletes were pushed out while traditional martial artists weren’t interested in competition anyways.
MMA used to be completely dominated by wrestlers but eventually strikers learned how to win. Sanda could have been a better sport without those early rule changes. They should change them back. Use MMA gloves, wear jackets or allow grabbing the chest protector.
It's all politics and martial arts meta and it sucks, I was having a lengthy rant about this in a previous video but it's the biggest clubs that butcher and change the styles to the point that when they're done correctly or in a more practical way people think it's 'wrong' and it's being changed, no, it's the other way around. The 'incorrect' way is actually the correct way. Shotokan suffers from this exact same problem and it's interesting how it's happened with Chinese martial arts as well, lots of kata moves especially in Shotokan can in fact be used for joint locks, grappling and even throwing/wrestling under the right circumstances and even the basic techniques can be repurposed slightly as Ramsey showed in his previous video to break grips etc.
When you understand this it's remarkable how much breadth a style really has compared to peoples' misconceptions about it and it is definitely a shame because there are entire styles and ways of teaching being destroyed by these arseholes who want to rig things because they're butthurt.
The rules of mma were changed to favor striking as it became more popular tothe increase viewers by adding banning shoes, adding rounds, breaks & stand-ups. This has happened in virtually every combat sport that favors hits the wrestling & grappling aspects are usually legislated to minimize or penalize it. For instance Shotokan had more takedowns now if only allows sweeps in competition. Boxing had standing wrestling that was banned by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.q
I don't think i've ever heard of this martial art either that's really cool
The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet! It would be especially cool to see you expound some general principles regarding how to successfully think about positioning etc. if your goal is to stay on your feet, in addition to specific techniques.
"The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet!"
@@thecollector6746 Actually, yes. I have looked for a Judo school in the area where I live, but I have not seen one that doesn't appear to be a total McDojo.
@@mattlawyer3245 You don't seem to know anything about Judo, yet you are sure the dojos you visited are ""McDojos"(There's a reason why Judo McDojos arent actually a thing,,,because they dont exist)? Did you actual visit these Dojos and train ?
@@thecollector6746 Not sure what makes you think you know what I do or don't know about judo, but you appear to be making some assumptions and using them as the basis for a fight via your challenges to my statements. I'm not interested in that, so don't expect to hear more from me.
In the unlikely event that you're writing in good faith, I'll just add for your sake that it should be sufficient for your purposes to know that multiple past attempts to locate a judo school in my area have revealed that the martial art is practically not represented at all among the schools to which I have access. My reference to McDojos is mainly to cover the fringe cases of non-judo schools claiming to incorporate judo into what they teach. I didn't realize you'd take the term McDojo to have particularly fixed meaning, as I interpret the word as having a fairly flexible meaning under which Judo McDojos certainly can and do exist. I used the word simply to say that the little pseudo-representation that judo does have in my area is insufficient to meet my needs.
Best to you.
@@mattlawyer3245 ...you not sure how ? I am. Go on and ask me how I know.
Glad to see that you are expanding your knowledge. 😏
Welcome to the channel. I’ve been training in Chinese martial arts in China for over 15 years.
If you ever decide to do other video on SJ perhaps you should discuss it with Mu Shin Martial Culture and TriEssence Martial Arts. both made a few videos on the art, very informative.
I like how the point system is based on how easy it is to scewer the throwee with a spear when he is on the ground.
This is the most you've ever looked like a fighting game character, including all those times you've dressed as a actual fighting game character.
Hahahahaha! Awesome! Now that I think of it, Baraka from Mortal Kombat 2 wears a white Shuaijiao jacket with red trim…. Woah… did I just accidentally cosplay?
Why am I just hearing about this style of wrestling? This could be very useful in many situations. I think the biggest mistake people make today is going to the ground in street fights. Most of these people get tunnel vision and forget that they leave themselves open to more attacks on the ground. You might grapple out of a one on one but how often does that happen in the real world?
In my area one gym started to offer Shuai Jiao recently and I'm very curious about it, so I'm glad that you made this video. Unfortunately the training is only at times where I have to work, but I will hopefully be able to try it out soon.
For such an ancient art it's surprising that it relies on shirt grappling
Why are you surprised? We discussed the historical reason for it in this video.
@@RamseyDewey We have our Indian system of grappling and wrestling. There are numerous techniques and not a single one I relies on shirt grabbing.
Perhaps Hot climate forced Indians to not wear shirts
Yes!! Shuai Jiao!!!
I had been doing Shuai Jiao, in a addition to other arts in JKD with my Sifu for about 2 years, but then I stopped. I haven’t been to Sifu in a while, been training on my own. But it’s hard to train SJ by yourself so I’m gonna have to go back.
This video was pretty awesome I liked it
Thanks!
There's an mma gym locally that offers this, I may have to check it out
I believe wrestling is universal martial art across entire early human history.
You believe correctly!
This is nice to see lots to learn from that martial art brilliant one of China's better most practical styles
What a great sport. Aggressive without as much risk of concussion or torquing your neck.
I love that you specified that you’re not teaching the oil check 😂
You should look into armored combat or Buhurt, basically it's what's being described here (battle field wrestling). 5 on 5 combat with steel armor and weapons, last man standing wins. If you go down you're out and you have to be careful with pinning someone to a wall like in mma cus someone can come from behind and wack you with an axe. Also the low shots the mma guy was doing are next to impossible when you're wearing a 16-18 lb helmet as well as the fact that lowering your head like that also exposes the back of your neck which is often a gap in the armor allowing for some one to jam a dagger in there.
Brilliant!
When I started learning kungbfu, my brother inlaw tought me what he just called wrestling. I was 18 before someone told me what the Chinese name for it was. I felt very silly, when we wrestled in the baracks and I would toss someone to the ground and them my ignorant self would wait for them to get up, and they would not get up so we were both just looking at eachother...waiting for the other to keep "wrestling"
How does this type of jacket affect stiff arming? Stiff arming is usually a real problem in judo. Is easier to get hips in closer with type of jacket?
Obrigado meu amor pelo seu carinho 🥰😍😘
wish i had time to rewatch soon
Seems intuitive and objective, I like the point sistem. Funnny that if I've heard of it it was by another name...🤔
Awesome, awesome, awesome!!!
Can we get an oil check tutorial, coach? Thanks!