Really cool that a lot of comments like the mixed format of reaction to matches and then analysis/translation of tutorial. If we could get three more channel members, I'll commit to doing something like this once a week. As you can tell by the views, this video isn't going to do well as the bullshido masters getting beat up stuff, but I think a sizable number of viewers want this, so let's get a few more viewers to join as channel members. Let me know if you join as a channel member!
I am subscribing for more like this. I have practiced Tibetan White Crane Kung Fu, and it is really great to see how the techniques in Shuai Jiao would fit into other Kung fu styles. When I get a chance to start practicing again, I hope to emphasise the grappling aspects of the art, and content like this would be really helpful.
6.09min that sweep kick is called "Shi Zi Tui" in Kung Fu forms. You can find it a lot. Imagine these shaolin monks doing a kick with a punch at the same time. Thats the same movement. The techniques in the forms are pasted together. Reason why kung fu sucks are the people who are noobs and do not understand which content is included in the forms....most "masters" are those noobs
This is great to see. Shuai Jiao was the first martial art I learned and it's funny how it carried over to everything else I did in the future. Would love to see more of the tutorials. It's a dying art form, and sharing more of it would be a great service to history.
@@complexblackness the grapples and throws are very similar to ones found in judo, wrestling and other grappling arts... Only difference is the short sleeves on their uniforms which require you to aim for shoulder and upper arm grabs instead of forearm grabs like in judo
@@complexblackness SJ is also largely taught from the ground up. Everything started with footwork and the legs. Like when you learn to box they first teach you how to stand and how to move. You likely won’t even throw a punch your first week.
I would love to learn Shuai jiao. Unfortunately none in my area... heck if there was someone in my area who DOES know it & have certification, I'd try to start it up under Count recreation. Or a club
Love grappling. I love how realistically the ruleset changes but the moves almost never do. The span so effectively across all combat martial arts. Grappling is jst so brutal and beautiful to watch. Any of these guys can enter any kind of grappling or mma fight and be effective
It is a great art. I was introduced to it through Yang Jwing Ming's Shuai Jiao curriculum that was taught as part of the Kung Fu option at the dojo I trained at as a child. Then while Wrestling and doing Judo I participated in several clinics and tournaments hosted by Matt Furey. Honestly this is why I never understood people complaints about Kung Fu, because Yang Jwing Ming's curriculum for White Crane & Taijichuan is heavy a stand-up wrestling art. I was already doing Judo & Goju Ryu before I was taught Kung Fu and everything, I learned complimented what I already knew. In fact Goju Ryu is a white crane derivative, & Kito Ryu the parent of Judo has a lineage to hand seizing/taking techniques (chin na fa) derived the southern chinese scholar monk Chin Genpin; so I already knew virtually the same curriculum that just evolved into distinct arts.
@เด็ก พเนจร living in NJ, which is the densest populated state in the USA, & living 30 minutes from NYC basically afforded me access every martial art. If you can think of something not illegal then you can find it in the megalopolis of the Mid-Atlantic States.
@@kevionrogers2605 Wasn't Yang Jwing Mings school in Jamaica Plain MA? Outside Boston. I used to live a block away and did BJJ with oe of his students. I also had a few of Matt Fureys books,
shuai jiao looks both so fun and effective. I wish there was a school where I live. I really likes this combination of a couple of good matches and translation. If you decide to make more like this, maybe you can translate some explanation/tutorial of techniques and then put matches or sparring where they are used in a live environement.
Yep. So one thing I could potentially do is to find the move taught that is in a match. Requires a little bit more planning and editing, but would be fun! Could you get me some more channel members in your town？That would make this endeavor more fun and provide more buffer monetarily!
It's really good stuff and one of the reasons I train it supplementally is because it slots in super well to other northern arts. All northern arts were heavily influenced by it and imo can benefit from learning it.
@sepulveda blvd in general, southern arts have spread far more than northern ones I think. With exception of shaolin (if you count what’s been spread as traditional) and tai chi (if you count that too lol).
Never heard of Shuai Jiao before but i love judo with or without a gi and i think this short sleeve version makes perfect sense to practice as well. I've actually used this style for throws as a bouncer incidentally as grabbing sleeves and modifying a throw happens faily naturally in the moment as im sure many of you have experienced as well. Makes me think it would be good to practice specifically on opponents with vests as well to focus on throws that revolve around the specific grab points and how you will place your fulcrum for the throw.
Practicing Kungfu in germany, my trainer slowly introduces shuai jiao into the curriculum. That's how I know of it. It provides useful insights into the forms and their practical ideas behind it. So far I've been practicing only ma bou push hand as a preparation for it. That being said, I'd really love to see more shuai jiao content :)
Awesome to see you open minded! I’m so sick and tired of how cultish BJJ has become. I just had to block a BJJ cultist today on Instagram because he was acting like such a stereotypical BJJ bro.
@@FightCommentary You're tired of their nonsense as well huh? I have a zero tolerance for them. On the mat Online As long as the criteria for superior martial arts remains it's use by military and law enforcement And It's ability to deal with a 2v1 situation which has been the base of a self defense situation since before any of us was born..... BJJ hasn't earned that ego. Even the Brazilian military and law enforcement don't use BJJ to this day. Not in the 100 years since it's creation. I know this firsthand straight from the mouths of soldiers in Brazil. Those who know don't speak highly of BJJ or the Gracie's.
@@tonytomahawk5160 "As long as the criteria for superior martial arts remains it's use by military and law enforcement" Wouldn't be so sure of that myself; in the modern day some are either BS, incredibly toned down basic versions of what MMA guys can pull off, or just have really bad practitioners since the soldiers are focused on more relevant skills like shooting, surviving, and lugging heavy loads for ages. In particular, Russian Systema and Israeli Krav Maga seem to be small amounts of BS, large amounts of terrible practitioners. Chinese Sanda seems legit though, as does whatever the heck some of their local cops are practicing. Half the stuff from American cops looks bad, but their military stuff looks alright.
@@DarkwarriorJ Your opinion is irrelevant because what I stated was based on standards that were in place before either of us were born and remained for a reason. It was those same standards that caused BJJ to fail when the Brazilian military ran it through the paces. Also hand to hand combat in warzones aren't one vs one. The enemy doesn't stand there and wait for you to engage with the first attacker. MMA is a one vs one situation and that will never equate to hand to hand combat proficiency. MMA guys who are very good in the ring get picked apart in the streets by drunk frat boys. I've seen this with my own eyes at the bar multiple times. Sad this common sense needs to even be explained.
It's amazing to see how the "hands trapping" of the arts as Ving Tsun's chi sao and Taijiquan's tui shou could work in a real fight, 'cause it's pretty evident that Shuai Jiao is the origin of these movements. Maybe if Neijia styles turns grapplings fights, we'll be able to see it work someday.
If I'm not mistaken modern Shuai Jiao does in fact incorporate some Taiji wrestling techniques... Specifically Chen family style Taiji, I've seen videos of master Chen Ziqiang doing sparring where he grapples with other people, and it looks so similar
@@cyborgchicken3502 In the mid-1980s, Grand Master Tung-Sheng Chang [spelled many different ways ;-) ] developed a Chang style Tai Chi, taught in Columbus, Ohio and other places. I don't recall the names of his disciples [He died in 1986]. Many throws are common with Judo, both arts derived from Chinese Wrestling. But, I think Judo is a sport, and Shuai Jiao was meant for defense, at the time. GM Chang was well-known for teaching the style to the military police in Taiwan [?], where it was used ... effectively. I think there are some videos with GM Chang?
this is legendary brother the little underhook he did in the instructional creating leverage from the elbow blew my mind. great way for off balancing and leverage without a gi
While it's true that Shuai Jiao has a long history of attestation, it's also evolved just like other arts, especially under influence from Mongol and Manchu takedown wrestling styles. Also, several Chinese martial arts systems (e.g. Long Fist, Taiji etc) have a focus on takedowns, so they can also be considered branches of Shuai Jiao too (if we consider "pure" Shuai Jiao to be the most ancient.)
I get my info from Emanuele Papa and @thewanderingwarrior623 -- the ruleset, uniform, and techniques of Shuaijiao are best explained by codevelopment with Manchu banner wrestling training, where Manchu wrestling was of course heavily influenced by Mongol bokh. There are undoubtedly native wrestling arts that are also rolled up into it, but those claiming Shuaijiao is a wholly indigenous (or even Han) development with a long history before Manchu contact are more likely doing some wishful cultural thinking.
@@mengmao5033 This does make sense. The more I dig into it, the more I find that claims that it's not Han is wrong; but claims that it's purely Han/indigenous are also incorrect, as the influence goes both ways. Different branches might have more or less foreign (or well, formerly foreign) influence, and vice versa. Similar to Chinese swordsmanship.
This one is awesome to see. Very rare for us in the west to search up a Shaui Jiao School near our area and find a Martial arts teacher in the west that does Shaui Jiao. But i definitely like the foot sweep or the leg sweep one of my favorite Grappling technique. It helps to get your Opponent off balance by grabbing the sleeves or Their arm.
I trained Judo for a few years, and Bagua which has a lot of throws that come out of Shuai Jiao, and I think the major difference I found is that, because of the rule set and Gi in Judo, they tend to hop onto the balls of their feet and drive forward, which results a lot more in sacrifice throws, vs the Bagua/Shuai Jiao throws which tend to have a more even weighting on their feet, cause the priority is to remain standing. Judo is great, but I feel that Shuai Jiao is better for self defense, cause there's a lot more emphasis on remaining standing after the throw. I also feel that Judo tends to be more reliant on the Gi for grips... Kodokan Judo also has a different concept of off balancing... They call is "kuzushi", and the idea is to pull your opponent onto the balls of their feet, so their weight is forward, and you take advantage of that momentary off balance, where as Bagua, and a lot of Shuai Jiao, do not always use that kind of off balancing, but break the persons structure, so they are weak, and throw them in the direction that they're weak. The difference is, you can be off balanced, but still have good anatomical structure, where as you can feel balanced (have both feet on the ground and not feel like you're falling over), but have weak structure. The Gi helps a lot to make someone off balanced, but you have a strong point of connection, for it works well with fast techniques, but the problem is that you also have to be fast to take advantage as the opponent will feel immediately off balanced, and will immediately work to regain balance... if you use methods to break the structure, the opponent doesn't feel like they're vulnerable, so you have more time to set up your throws, and you're not playing a game of who can be the fastest to take advantage.
Yes please, please translate those tutorial videos. It's been years since I watched those videos, yet I can only guess what they're saying. There are no Shuai Jiao gym in my place, therefore those videos translation would be very precious to me. Keep up the good work man!
The mix was nice for something like shuai jiao with so little available in English! It's interesting to see the overlap with judo and how just a few rule and equipment tweaks can really change some of the strategies even while the core principles of throws are the same. Also fascinating to see how lacking sleeves but retaining grabbable clothes suddenly introduces a meaningful element of pommeling and maybe even trapping that people (not without reason) make fun of wing chun for being so hyperfocused on.
Seeing this makes me think the techniques of wing chun would mix with it so well. I think this combined with the techniques of wing chun, TKD, a little boxing, and some ground fighting and that could make a new breed of MMA.
that was freaking awesome, please bring some more, the training stuff is amazing. my buddies and I have gone from zhaquan kung fu to chen tai chi and we free train a bit. we've made some sense of the striking but this wrestling explains a lot of tai chi. the hand fighting is litterally applied, real push hands. the footwork matches, this is awesome!
My Muay Thai gym in the middle of nowhere yeehaw Florida/south Alabama offers shuai jaio and I’ve been considering it for a while now as an alternative to Judo for my MMA training.
I love it. I just subscribed. You do an excellent job narrating and translating, and I love how you get way into it 😅 great videos, I look forward to watching them all in time. Also, yes, it would be amazing to watch more and have you translate. 👏🏼 👏🏼 thank you.
Chinese shuai jiao and taijiquan are essentially battlefield martial arts. On the battlefield you do not want to be on the ground, at all. You want to deal with your opponent and remain standing to move on to the next. You also want your techniques to work whether your opponent is armed and armored or not.
As a Baguazhang practitioner, studying and watching Shuai Jiao has pushed my understanding and knowledge of the Bagua light years ahead of where I was before. I knew Bagua was rooted in Shuai Jiao(at least my lineage is) but I didn’t realize just how much it made a difference in my understanding of applications and the forms
thank you for this video, really nice! There are several reasons why in Shuai Jiao the attacker remains standing unlike in judo: 1. You score less if you fall on top of the opponent. 2. A good throw doesn’t end the fight like in judo which in judo leads to the defender trying his best to defend the throw 3. No long sleeves so less grip by the defender who is less able to drag his attacker to the ground 4. As an attacker you can score using throws regardless of the contact area of your opponent's falls.
Loving this format, hingdai. Also want to add a throwing art to me repertoire cuz I think it'd be one of the best bets FO DA STREETZ and shuai jiao seems like it could potentially be really useful, so more content like this would be appreciated.
Shuai Jiao techniques and influence are in practically every style of kung fu to some degree. In many forms you'll see sweeps and circular arm movements that aren't strikes at all, but rather throws when the forms are broken down to practice. We were taught in life threatening combat, to throw on their head, not the back like we did in practice. It's brutal stuff.
LOLz...bullsh1t. It isn't at all well known in China, and it's modern form is basically a sh1tty rip-off of Judo and Mongolian Bokh that didn't exist until the early 1920s when the Koushou Atheletics Institute sent an envoy to Japan to figure out why Japanese martial arts actually produced practitioners who could fight and Chinese Martial Arts didn't....then "coincidentally" Shuai Jiao mysteriously appeared after last being practiced in the 1600s with throws that hadn't been part of it's original curriculum, colored belts, thick cotton jackets, and practing bare foot on tatami.
I love seeing the crossovers between different martial arts. If you see a technique that’s in Shui jao, Judo, BJJ and wrestling you know it’s effective…
Bro, mix it if you want or don't. Your channel rocks regardless of what we might tell you. That being said, I have indeed seen that Shuai Jiao video before. I was researching the throws from Sanda and one thing led to another and evolved into Shuai Jiao. However, since I speak zero Mandarin I missed most (if not all) of the lesson. So, more Shuai Jiao translations would be awesome. Also, some more Sanda stuff. Seeing those Bajiquan fighters in some Sanda videos you posted really made me rethink some attitudes about traditional martial arts. Regardless of whatever I've said just keep doing you my dude. Love the channel.
@@FightCommentary I might just do that if I can ever get my finances under control. I know, I know, everyone has a sob story and I won't bore anyone with mine, but, seriously though your channel is great and is one of a few martial arts channels I watch when the martial arts mood strikes, there's also Ramsey Dewey, Sensei Seth, Hard2Hurt, Martial Arts Journey, Dynasty MMA, Gabriel Varga's channel and Jeff Chan's as well. You plus them are my martial arts go to's. That being said, there's also a retro gaming mood, an Irish myth moment, a fairy folklore what-have-you, thr occasional Alan Watts lecture, and even a cryptozoologist bedtime story. RUclips's a great place for a man of limited focus and infinite curiosity 😜 And while I might be middle aged, riddled with A.D.D. and quickly approaching the window of competitive opportunity closing forever, I secretly dream of throwing hands on the Lei Tai alot these days in early middle age. At least it isn't a sports car. 🥊
No you're not wrong at all. Actually it would be fair to say that shuai jiao is the core of all Chinese martial arts methods. Chi sao from Wing chun and tuishou from taijiquan are various ways of grip fighting that include anything from your finger or wrist (qinna) or even your flesh monkey style or eagle style and of course your clothing and more.
@@Tempest2228 yes, all Chinese martial arts, but if you move to an explicitly kung fu focus then zhanzhuang (stationary posture 'yoga' (goat stance in wing chun, for example)) rooting for robust structure under pressure and striking (like planting the feet for power lines from the ground in western boxing) is the core, or perhaps 'specialism,' to access the necessary power and to be able to stand your ground solidly in an MMA style bout. It seems that after the gun arrived in China, a lot of stylists reduced the time-consuming and challenging posture work to focus on only grappling and elegant evasive weapon forms that look pretty in presentations. The power striking and working from weapons binding during a solid clash in tight confines - the real, practical 'kung fu' is pretty rare these days, but you can still find it.
You're exactly right. Some masters of taiji and bagua was also very proficient in shuai jiao. Though being misunderstood always, Taichi Quan and Bagua Jhang are really the kinds of grappling martial art. Not striking martial art.
@innerray I agree, but that's an oversimplification on the striking part. There's a lot of infighting that many people wouldn't consider striking or grappling because it's not done due to rules and not wanting to hurt your sparring partner. An example would be snake, eagle and any method that employs these. You can throw someone by their eyes or head with proper positioning. It's not magic but physics. You strike into throws. Sweep and kick into throws.
What they do well is entering low and elevation of the opponent. What they seem to ignore is grabbing, moving their opponents head as a control and entry for techniques. Head position and control is fundamental in wrestling . Interesting style though.
I can't speak to the competitions , but Shuai Chiao puts great emphasis on driving the opponent straight down into the ground instead of a more circular type motion . They would practice in sand and not do break falls because the arm would get injured. If you look up old pictures and footage you'll see what I mean. The idea was very much to use the ground to take your opponent out . Imagine being on hard packed dirt on a battlefield or stones and tiles on the grounds of a castle and one of these guys slams you down full force .
Yep. Shuai Jiao makes a lot of sense from that context. If you threw and ended up on the ground too, you broke formation. Have to stay in formation on the battlefield.
This was super cool! Seems to me that Shuai Jiao doesn't get the attention and credit it deserves! The thing I like the most is that they try to stay up after the throwing.
Really interesting! I would very much like to see more of this. I do martial arts myself, but i've never heard of it. But you can see the effectiveness.
In a previous video you posted with Shuai Jiao and in the first tutorial (with the guy with the silver pants), they show short sequences from forms which always makes you comment "...it involves a lot of footwork..." The sequences remind me of dance-like forms one often sees in kung fu videos. It might be interesting to take a step back and revisit such videos that get easily dismissed (not saying all practitioners know what they are doing when performing the forms but it's clear they transmit knowledge that often seems lost).
Unbeknownst to many people, that back step footwork is utilized in Judo quite a lot. You can't do a throw from far away, so Judoka, without even realizing it, do this footwork to get themselves closer so they can generate more rotation and gain momentum. It's interesting to see some overlap from this to Judo. Great videos as always!
Many thanks. I'd be more interested in the translation of the tutorials but the mixed format is good too. I've seen a few of the tutorials and I can follow what they show, although it would be interesting to know what they are saying.
Many years ago Judo throws rarely ended up with the thrower (tori) on the ground, unless he was going for a finish or made a mistake. We can thank the Olympics for the diminishing of ground work and the emphasis on the big throw for ipon.
Shuai Jiao in the US has a belt System, but in mainland China it does not. It's an awesome art. I have Black belt in Shuai Jiao for the US and also lived in Beijing for 12 years and trained it there with the legendary Master, Li Baru. Great stuff.
Sambo has long sleeves and it's very similar to judo - it was derived partially from Judo. They don't go to the ground as much in part bc there is no ground fighting whereas in Judo, one can win through pins and submissions as well as a high amplitude throw. Shuai Jiao has no such ground fighting equivalent and thus there is no benefit to going to the ground. In judo, you can alter throws to simply send your opponent downwards without following them for self defense.
It's "similar with Japanese judo" because Chinese 'rou dao' - literally 'the gentle way' - (the same meaning in Japanese), is apparently the ancestor of judo. Japan used to be a kind of province of China a thousand years ago. And so when people are looking for the true source of jiu-jitsu, etc., then you can pretty much guess the source - it's China.
@@dhimankalita1690bruh lol, they are right tho. Look, Judo directly comes from a few Jujutsu styles (you can find them in internet) and the grappling techniques from those Jujutsu styles, come both from Sumo and things that the people came up by themselves, but it was mainly Sumo. And do you know where sumo comes from? Yes indeed, Shuai Jiao. If you look at old Shuai Jiao drawings, you'll see that they were also really big people wearing the same thing that a Rikishi (sumo wrestler) wears and they had the same rules (you touch the ground or step out of bounds, you lose). Shuai Jiao from China and Kalaripayattu from India are the mothers of many, many, MANY martial arts from today.
That was a great mix I have watched those tutorials for years but I did not understand the audio. If in a match and you do a throw but a knee or hand touches the matt you only get one point if you fall on your opponent they may give you one point or call it a no point. The Taiwan version sometimes called kuai chiao or fast wrestling has different rules and is mostly used by police and military.
I don't think there's a belt system. You just have a red and a blue belt in each match (you bring both colors with you). For the convenience of the judges and audience I think. When I trained this the outside of my top finger joints were constantly skinless, from rubbing against the jackets. Is that the same in judo? Do your fingers eventually develop tougher skin or do you have antiseptic salves and tape forever? Loved this video.
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Really cool that a lot of comments like the mixed format of reaction to matches and then analysis/translation of tutorial. If we could get three more channel members, I'll commit to doing something like this once a week. As you can tell by the views, this video isn't going to do well as the bullshido masters getting beat up stuff, but I think a sizable number of viewers want this, so let's get a few more viewers to join as channel members. Let me know if you join as a channel member!
Just subscribed. I like all your material including this.
It'll be cool if translated it
Hehe, I like you fashion statements 😃
I am subscribing for more like this. I have practiced Tibetan White Crane Kung Fu, and it is really great to see how the techniques in Shuai Jiao would fit into other Kung fu styles. When I get a chance to start practicing again, I hope to emphasise the grappling aspects of the art, and content like this would be really helpful.
6.09min that sweep kick is called "Shi Zi Tui" in Kung Fu forms. You can find it a lot. Imagine these shaolin monks doing a kick with a punch at the same time. Thats the same movement. The techniques in the forms are pasted together. Reason why kung fu sucks are the people who are noobs and do not understand which content is included in the forms....most "masters" are those noobs
Thanks for this. Judo is awesome, Sambo is awesome, Shuai Jiao is very under represented in the arts. Thank you for the positive exposure.
This is great to see. Shuai Jiao was the first martial art I learned and it's funny how it carried over to everything else I did in the future. Would love to see more of the tutorials. It's a dying art form, and sharing more of it would be a great service to history.
Carried over how?
@@complexblackness the grapples and throws are very similar to ones found in judo, wrestling and other grappling arts... Only difference is the short sleeves on their uniforms which require you to aim for shoulder and upper arm grabs instead of forearm grabs like in judo
@@complexblackness SJ is also largely taught from the ground up. Everything started with footwork and the legs. Like when you learn to box they first teach you how to stand and how to move. You likely won’t even throw a punch your first week.
I would love to learn Shuai jiao. Unfortunately none in my area... heck if there was someone in my area who DOES know it & have certification, I'd try to start it up under Count recreation. Or a club
👋😲BRO, judo & jiu jitsu... ARE WUSHUKUNGFU! comes from Shuaijiao & Qinna... COMES FROM Kungfu.
I've got interested in Shuai Jiao recently, so you translating tutorials previously unavailable to the west is like a dream come true! ❤
Awesome! I will do more! Consider pressing the join button too!
Love grappling. I love how realistically the ruleset changes but the moves almost never do. The span so effectively across all combat martial arts. Grappling is jst so brutal and beautiful to watch. Any of these guys can enter any kind of grappling or mma fight and be effective
👋😲BRO, judo & jiu jitsu... ARE WUSHUKUNGFU! comes from Shuaijiao & Qinna... COMES FROM Kungfu.
@@NPC_Kyle yeah but grapplers wont practice the same art at 35 year old with any type of efficacy for athletics. Its a young mans game.
It is a great art. I was introduced to it through Yang Jwing Ming's Shuai Jiao curriculum that was taught as part of the Kung Fu option at the dojo I trained at as a child. Then while Wrestling and doing Judo I participated in several clinics and tournaments hosted by Matt Furey. Honestly this is why I never understood people complaints about Kung Fu, because Yang Jwing Ming's curriculum for White Crane & Taijichuan is heavy a stand-up wrestling art. I was already doing Judo & Goju Ryu before I was taught Kung Fu and everything, I learned complimented what I already knew. In fact Goju Ryu is a white crane derivative, & Kito Ryu the parent of Judo has a lineage to hand seizing/taking techniques (chin na fa) derived the southern chinese scholar monk Chin Genpin; so I already knew virtually the same curriculum that just evolved into distinct arts.
not everyone is as lucky as you to have access to all that
@เด็ก พเนจร living in NJ, which is the densest populated state in the USA, & living 30 minutes from NYC basically afforded me access every martial art. If you can think of something not illegal then you can find it in the megalopolis of the Mid-Atlantic States.
@@kevionrogers2605 you'd probably have access to the illegal stuff too if you knew where to look ;)
@@kevionrogers2605 Wasn't Yang Jwing Mings school in Jamaica Plain MA? Outside Boston. I used to live a block away and did BJJ with oe of his students. I also had a few of Matt Fureys books,
Okinawa Goju ryu contains around 5 basic shuai jiao throws in the katas.
shuai jiao looks both so fun and effective. I wish there was a school where I live. I really likes this combination of a couple of good matches and translation. If you decide to make more like this, maybe you can translate some explanation/tutorial of techniques and then put matches or sparring where they are used in a live environement.
Yep. So one thing I could potentially do is to find the move taught that is in a match. Requires a little bit more planning and editing, but would be fun! Could you get me some more channel members in your town？That would make this endeavor more fun and provide more buffer monetarily!
It's really good stuff and one of the reasons I train it supplementally is because it slots in super well to other northern arts. All northern arts were heavily influenced by it and imo can benefit from learning it.
@sepulveda blvd in general, southern arts have spread far more than northern ones I think. With exception of shaolin (if you count what’s been spread as traditional) and tai chi (if you count that too lol).
It’s like judo. Anything you turn your back completely to your opponent, is not effective. It’s good for it’s own sport.
Never heard of Shuai Jiao before but i love judo with or without a gi and i think this short sleeve version makes perfect sense to practice as well.
I've actually used this style for throws as a bouncer incidentally as grabbing sleeves and modifying a throw happens faily naturally in the moment as im sure many of you have experienced as well.
Makes me think it would be good to practice specifically on opponents with vests as well to focus on throws that revolve around the specific grab points and how you will place your fulcrum for the throw.
The mix was nice
Practicing Kungfu in germany, my trainer slowly introduces shuai jiao into the curriculum. That's how I know of it. It provides useful insights into the forms and their practical ideas behind it.
So far I've been practicing only ma bou push hand as a preparation for it.
That being said, I'd really love to see more shuai jiao content :)
Mach ich auch so in meinem Training! Wo trainierst du?
@@Livingtree32 wushu taichi akademie Konstanz, bei Pascal Wu :)
Wo bist Du?
Amazing. As a BJJ practitioner, it’s always great to see “new” (aka ancient) upper body techniques. These throws are so intricate and powerful!
Awesome to see you open minded! I’m so sick and tired of how cultish BJJ has become. I just had to block a BJJ cultist today on Instagram because he was acting like such a stereotypical BJJ bro.
@@FightCommentary
You're tired of their nonsense as well huh?
I have a zero tolerance for them.
On the mat
Online
As long as the criteria for superior martial arts remains it's use by military and law enforcement
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It's ability to deal with a 2v1 situation which has been the base of a self defense situation since before any of us was born.....
BJJ hasn't earned that ego.
Even the Brazilian military and law enforcement don't use BJJ to this day. Not in the 100 years since it's creation.
I know this firsthand straight from the mouths of soldiers in Brazil.
Those who know don't speak highly of BJJ or the Gracie's.
@@tonytomahawk5160 "As long as the criteria for superior martial arts remains it's use by military and law enforcement" Wouldn't be so sure of that myself; in the modern day some are either BS, incredibly toned down basic versions of what MMA guys can pull off, or just have really bad practitioners since the soldiers are focused on more relevant skills like shooting, surviving, and lugging heavy loads for ages. In particular, Russian Systema and Israeli Krav Maga seem to be small amounts of BS, large amounts of terrible practitioners. Chinese Sanda seems legit though, as does whatever the heck some of their local cops are practicing. Half the stuff from American cops looks bad, but their military stuff looks alright.
@@DarkwarriorJ
Your opinion is irrelevant because what I stated was based on standards that were in place before either of us were born and remained for a reason.
It was those same standards that caused BJJ to fail when the Brazilian military ran it through the paces.
Also hand to hand combat in warzones aren't one vs one. The enemy doesn't stand there and wait for you to engage with the first attacker.
MMA is a one vs one situation and that will never equate to hand to hand combat proficiency. MMA guys who are very good in the ring get picked apart in the streets by drunk frat boys.
I've seen this with my own eyes at the bar multiple times.
Sad this common sense needs to even be explained.
It's amazing to see how the "hands trapping" of the arts as Ving Tsun's chi sao and Taijiquan's tui shou could work in a real fight, 'cause it's pretty evident that Shuai Jiao is the origin of these movements. Maybe if Neijia styles turns grapplings fights, we'll be able to see it work someday.
Especially in the last video the moves of the old man look like some exercises of wooden dummy
If I'm not mistaken modern Shuai Jiao does in fact incorporate some Taiji wrestling techniques... Specifically Chen family style Taiji, I've seen videos of master Chen Ziqiang doing sparring where he grapples with other people, and it looks so similar
@@cyborgchicken3502 In the mid-1980s, Grand Master Tung-Sheng Chang [spelled many different ways ;-) ] developed a Chang style Tai Chi, taught in Columbus, Ohio and other places. I don't recall the names of his disciples [He died in 1986]. Many throws are common with Judo, both arts derived from Chinese Wrestling. But, I think Judo is a sport, and Shuai Jiao was meant for defense, at the time. GM Chang was well-known for teaching the style to the military police in Taiwan [?], where it was used ... effectively. I think there are some videos with GM Chang?
this is legendary brother the little underhook he did in the instructional creating leverage from the elbow blew my mind. great way for off balancing and leverage without a gi
Shuao Jiao is pretty fun 😊
I love it as much as the other martial arts 😀
I LOVE this type of exploration! Especially for Shuai Jiao!!! Please do more translations of Shuai Jiao videos! You've got yourself a sub!
While it's true that Shuai Jiao has a long history of attestation,
it's also evolved just like other arts, especially under influence from Mongol and Manchu takedown wrestling styles.
Also, several Chinese martial arts systems (e.g. Long Fist, Taiji etc) have a focus on takedowns, so they can also be considered branches of Shuai Jiao too (if we consider "pure" Shuai Jiao to be the most ancient.)
I get my info from Emanuele Papa and @thewanderingwarrior623 -- the ruleset, uniform, and techniques of Shuaijiao are best explained by codevelopment with Manchu banner wrestling training, where Manchu wrestling was of course heavily influenced by Mongol bokh.
There are undoubtedly native wrestling arts that are also rolled up into it, but those claiming Shuaijiao is a wholly indigenous (or even Han) development with a long history before Manchu contact are more likely doing some wishful cultural thinking.
@@mengmao5033 This does make sense. The more I dig into it, the more I find that claims that it's not Han is wrong; but claims that it's purely Han/indigenous are also incorrect, as the influence goes both ways. Different branches might have more or less foreign (or well, formerly foreign) influence, and vice versa. Similar to Chinese swordsmanship.
This one is awesome to see. Very rare for us in the west to search up a Shaui Jiao School near our area and find a Martial arts teacher in the west that does Shaui Jiao. But i definitely like the foot sweep or the leg sweep one of my favorite Grappling technique. It helps to get your Opponent off balance by grabbing the sleeves or Their arm.
Loving these different style showcases, thank you brother.
I trained Judo for a few years, and Bagua which has a lot of throws that come out of Shuai Jiao, and I think the major difference I found is that, because of the rule set and Gi in Judo, they tend to hop onto the balls of their feet and drive forward, which results a lot more in sacrifice throws, vs the Bagua/Shuai Jiao throws which tend to have a more even weighting on their feet, cause the priority is to remain standing. Judo is great, but I feel that Shuai Jiao is better for self defense, cause there's a lot more emphasis on remaining standing after the throw. I also feel that Judo tends to be more reliant on the Gi for grips... Kodokan Judo also has a different concept of off balancing... They call is "kuzushi", and the idea is to pull your opponent onto the balls of their feet, so their weight is forward, and you take advantage of that momentary off balance, where as Bagua, and a lot of Shuai Jiao, do not always use that kind of off balancing, but break the persons structure, so they are weak, and throw them in the direction that they're weak. The difference is, you can be off balanced, but still have good anatomical structure, where as you can feel balanced (have both feet on the ground and not feel like you're falling over), but have weak structure. The Gi helps a lot to make someone off balanced, but you have a strong point of connection, for it works well with fast techniques, but the problem is that you also have to be fast to take advantage as the opponent will feel immediately off balanced, and will immediately work to regain balance... if you use methods to break the structure, the opponent doesn't feel like they're vulnerable, so you have more time to set up your throws, and you're not playing a game of who can be the fastest to take advantage.
Yes please, please translate those tutorial videos. It's been years since I watched those videos, yet I can only guess what they're saying. There are no Shuai Jiao gym in my place, therefore those videos translation would be very precious to me. Keep up the good work man!
Please consider joining as a channel member too 😎
The mix was nice for something like shuai jiao with so little available in English!
It's interesting to see the overlap with judo and how just a few rule and equipment tweaks can really change some of the strategies even while the core principles of throws are the same. Also fascinating to see how lacking sleeves but retaining grabbable clothes suddenly introduces a meaningful element of pommeling and maybe even trapping that people (not without reason) make fun of wing chun for being so hyperfocused on.
This was just as cool as breaking down a match. Thanks Jerry.
Great video! Thanks. Yes please, do more videos on this amazing art. The translations would be so valuable!
Your Mandarin pronunciation is pretty good! Much props!
Seeing this makes me think the techniques of wing chun would mix with it so well. I think this combined with the techniques of wing chun, TKD, a little boxing, and some ground fighting and that could make a new breed of MMA.
that was freaking awesome, please bring some more, the training stuff is amazing. my buddies and I have gone from zhaquan kung fu to chen tai chi and we free train a bit. we've made some sense of the striking but this wrestling explains a lot of tai chi. the hand fighting is litterally applied, real push hands. the footwork matches, this is awesome!
My Muay Thai gym in the middle of nowhere yeehaw Florida/south Alabama offers shuai jaio and I’ve been considering it for a while now as an alternative to Judo for my MMA training.
If you can find a Judo gym and all things were pretty much equal....just go with Judo. You are likely wasting your time otherwise.
@@thecollector6746 we don’t have a judo gym around here unfortunately
@@waffleandchicken Gotcha. Well...Shuai Jiao ain't Judo, but it definitely isn't (generally) Bullsh1t. Go forth my Son.
Thanks!
Thank you for watching! Do you train shuai jiao?
@@FightCommentary I do not. But I'm thankful that you exposed me to it.
I love it. I just subscribed. You do an excellent job narrating and translating, and I love how you get way into it 😅 great videos, I look forward to watching them all in time. Also, yes, it would be amazing to watch more and have you translate. 👏🏼 👏🏼 thank you.
Welcome aboard!
Chinese shuai jiao and taijiquan are essentially battlefield martial arts. On the battlefield you do not want to be on the ground, at all. You want to deal with your opponent and remain standing to move on to the next. You also want your techniques to work whether your opponent is armed and armored or not.
Did I manifest this video? Recently I've been researching shuaijiao and also looking for wrestling classes in my area and now you put out this video.
Become a channel member and I will do many more translations!
I have watched those shia jiao videos. Many times. I would be so grateful if you'd translate them
As a Baguazhang practitioner, studying and watching Shuai Jiao has pushed my understanding and knowledge of the Bagua light years ahead of where I was before. I knew Bagua was rooted in Shuai Jiao(at least my lineage is) but I didn’t realize just how much it made a difference in my understanding of applications and the forms
Mix it up! And more Shuai Jiao, please!
thank you for this video, really nice!
There are several reasons why in Shuai Jiao the attacker remains standing unlike in judo:
1. You score less if you fall on top of the opponent.
2. A good throw doesn’t end the fight like in judo which in judo leads to the defender trying his best to defend the throw
3. No long sleeves so less grip by the defender who is less able to drag his attacker to the ground
4. As an attacker you can score using throws regardless of the contact area of your opponent's falls.
It's interesting that the oldest form of kung fu is one of the most practical.
The others are practical as well, probably more practical than this one. Their training methods and teachers are the things that screws them up
I liked the mix of commentary and instruction.
Loving this format, hingdai. Also want to add a throwing art to me repertoire cuz I think it'd be one of the best bets FO DA STREETZ and shuai jiao seems like it could potentially be really useful, so more content like this would be appreciated.
Shuai Jiao techniques and influence are in practically every style of kung fu to some degree. In many forms you'll see sweeps and circular arm movements that aren't strikes at all, but rather throws when the forms are broken down to practice.
We were taught in life threatening combat, to throw on their head, not the back like we did in practice. It's brutal stuff.
LOLz...bullsh1t. It isn't at all well known in China, and it's modern form is basically a sh1tty rip-off of Judo and Mongolian Bokh that didn't exist until the early 1920s when the Koushou Atheletics Institute sent an envoy to Japan to figure out why Japanese martial arts actually produced practitioners who could fight and Chinese Martial Arts didn't....then "coincidentally" Shuai Jiao mysteriously appeared after last being practiced in the 1600s with throws that hadn't been part of it's original curriculum, colored belts, thick cotton jackets, and practing bare foot on tatami.
Yes indeed
There are international shuai jiao tournaments and there are tournaments in the US.
The tutorial was awesome. This marital art is also great. i've only heard about it because of this channel.
When that instructor is showing those movements, you can really see how similar it looks to the form movements from other kung-fu disciplines.
It's all good info, technique and application. Thumbs up for the mix!
This was an, especially, awesome entry. Thanks, bee!
Thank you for sharing this with us!
Love the episode. Exactly what I like to see.
Translation mix of both, great
This is awesome.
Love to see more 😄.
I like this mixed format!
I love seeing the crossovers between different martial arts. If you see a technique that’s in Shui jao, Judo, BJJ and wrestling you know it’s effective…
That was awesome, love to see more mix and tutorials.
Bro, mix it if you want or don't. Your channel rocks regardless of what we might tell you. That being said, I have indeed seen that Shuai Jiao video before. I was researching the throws from Sanda and one thing led to another and evolved into Shuai Jiao. However, since I speak zero Mandarin I missed most (if not all) of the lesson. So, more Shuai Jiao translations would be awesome. Also, some more Sanda stuff. Seeing those Bajiquan fighters in some Sanda videos you posted really made me rethink some attitudes about traditional martial arts. Regardless of whatever I've said just keep doing you my dude. Love the channel.
If you can be a channel member, I will definitely translate some sanda too. I got four sanda videos that are hours long to translate 😗😗😎😎
@@FightCommentary I might just do that if I can ever get my finances under control. I know, I know, everyone has a sob story and I won't bore anyone with mine, but, seriously though your channel is great and is one of a few martial arts channels I watch when the martial arts mood strikes, there's also Ramsey Dewey, Sensei Seth, Hard2Hurt, Martial Arts Journey, Dynasty MMA, Gabriel Varga's channel and Jeff Chan's as well. You plus them are my martial arts go to's. That being said, there's also a retro gaming mood, an Irish myth moment, a fairy folklore what-have-you, thr occasional Alan Watts lecture, and even a cryptozoologist bedtime story. RUclips's a great place for a man of limited focus and infinite curiosity 😜 And while I might be middle aged, riddled with A.D.D. and quickly approaching the window of competitive opportunity closing forever, I secretly dream of throwing hands on the Lei Tai alot these days in early middle age. At least it isn't a sports car. 🥊
I'm down for the mix. Each section helps to give the other some context. Thanks for the edutainment.
Am I wrong or there are similar throws with taiji quan and bagua and may be other chinese styles ? Great matches, it's really beautiful to watch 🙂💪
No you're not wrong at all. Actually it would be fair to say that shuai jiao is the core of all Chinese martial arts methods. Chi sao from Wing chun and tuishou from taijiquan are various ways of grip fighting that include anything from your finger or wrist (qinna) or even your flesh monkey style or eagle style and of course your clothing and more.
@@Tempest2228 yes, all Chinese martial arts, but if you move to an explicitly kung fu focus then zhanzhuang (stationary posture 'yoga' (goat stance in wing chun, for example)) rooting for robust structure under pressure and striking (like planting the feet for power lines from the ground in western boxing) is the core, or perhaps 'specialism,' to access the necessary power and to be able to stand your ground solidly in an MMA style bout.
It seems that after the gun arrived in China, a lot of stylists reduced the time-consuming and challenging posture work to focus on only grappling and elegant evasive weapon forms that look pretty in presentations. The power striking and working from weapons binding during a solid clash in tight confines - the real, practical 'kung fu' is pretty rare these days, but you can still find it.
You're exactly right. Some masters of taiji and bagua was also very proficient in shuai jiao.
Though being misunderstood always, Taichi Quan and Bagua Jhang are really the kinds of grappling martial art. Not striking martial art.
@@innerray Chen bagua especially had a strong shuai jiao foundation, but look at gao style bagua for example - it uses zhanzhuang
@innerray I agree, but that's an oversimplification on the striking part. There's a lot of infighting that many people wouldn't consider striking or grappling because it's not done due to rules and not wanting to hurt your sparring partner. An example would be snake, eagle and any method that employs these. You can throw someone by their eyes or head with proper positioning. It's not magic but physics. You strike into throws. Sweep and kick into throws.
What they do well is entering low and elevation of the opponent.
What they seem to ignore is grabbing, moving their opponents head as a control and entry for techniques.
Head position and control is fundamental in wrestling .
Interesting style though.
Shuai Jiao is legit. Just like Sanda.
My instructor wouldn't consider it a clean technique if we fell or landed on top. We also would add joint locks and slaps to the head. It was awesome.
I love this ! This should be the premier Chinese martial art
I hope we can all bring this renaissance. Shuai jiao is beautiful!
Very cool video, beautiful throws.
I've done a little shuai chiao, mainly to help with my judo. Amazing art. I have seven friends who have been training it for years.
great stuff 👍👍👍👍 this direction with translations is great 100 % very interesting 👍👍👍 thanks 🙂
Can we all show some appreciation for the old man's wardrobe selection of shiny silver pants.
I can't speak to the competitions , but Shuai Chiao puts great emphasis on driving the opponent straight down into the ground instead of a more circular type motion . They would practice in sand and not do break falls because the arm would get injured. If you look up old pictures and footage you'll see what I mean. The idea was very much to use the ground to take your opponent out . Imagine being on hard packed dirt on a battlefield or stones and tiles on the grounds of a castle and one of these guys slams you down full force .
Yep. Shuai Jiao makes a lot of sense from that context. If you threw and ended up on the ground too, you broke formation. Have to stay in formation on the battlefield.
Mix up dude, I love grappling and martial arts too. The qi lala commentary on Kung Fu was nice too. Keep up the good work!
This was super cool! Seems to me that Shuai Jiao doesn't get the attention and credit it deserves! The thing I like the most is that they try to stay up after the throwing.
This is really cool stuff, I've never seen this sport at all.
One of your best.
Really interesting! I would very much like to see more of this. I do martial arts myself, but i've never heard of it. But you can see the effectiveness.
This is great. More please!
In a previous video you posted with Shuai Jiao and in the first tutorial (with the guy with the silver pants), they show short sequences from forms which always makes you comment "...it involves a lot of footwork..."
The sequences remind me of dance-like forms one often sees in kung fu videos. It might be interesting to take a step back and revisit such videos that get easily dismissed (not saying all practitioners know what they are doing when performing the forms but it's clear they transmit knowledge that often seems lost).
Nice video dude, I like this kind of videos.
Unbeknownst to many people, that back step footwork is utilized in Judo quite a lot.
You can't do a throw from far away, so Judoka, without even realizing it, do this footwork to get themselves closer so they can generate more rotation and gain momentum.
It's interesting to see some overlap from this to Judo.
Great videos as always!
One of the missing links to making Kung Fu work
Looks awesome. More Chinese martial artists should train this!
This was great!
Good stuff. That was a great tutorial
Definitely do the mix up!!! We need the translations bro.
Many thanks.
I'd be more interested in the translation of the tutorials but the mixed format is good too.
I've seen a few of the tutorials and I can follow what they show, although it would be interesting to know what they are saying.
This actually looks useful.
Many years ago Judo throws rarely ended up with the thrower (tori) on the ground, unless he was going for a finish or made a mistake. We can thank the Olympics for the diminishing of ground work and the emphasis on the big throw for ipon.
That’s so Interesting!!
This was super interesting! I would love to train in this.
Shuai Jiao Is my first martial art, I absolutely love it❤❤❤
Got any footage for us?
@@FightCommentary Unfortunately that was long ago, I didn’t have any device to film my footages then😢
Great channel
Awesome! There’s no doubt this would work in a fight👍More Shuai Jiao please. And Sanda!
Mix it up, both are entertaining and educational …
Dude this was fantastic
Shuai Jiao in the US has a belt System, but in mainland China it does not. It's an awesome art. I have Black belt in Shuai Jiao for the US and also lived in Beijing for 12 years and trained it there with the legendary Master, Li Baru. Great stuff.
Li Baoru is a living legend.
Sambo has long sleeves and it's very similar to judo - it was derived partially from Judo.
They don't go to the ground as much in part bc there is no ground fighting whereas in Judo, one can win through pins and submissions as well as a high amplitude throw.
Shuai Jiao has no such ground fighting equivalent and thus there is no benefit to going to the ground.
In judo, you can alter throws to simply send your opponent downwards without following them for self defense.
This straight up 🔥
Chinese Judo👍🏾
Excellent!
It's "similar with Japanese judo" because Chinese 'rou dao' - literally 'the gentle way' - (the same meaning in Japanese), is apparently the ancestor of judo. Japan used to be a kind of province of China a thousand years ago. And so when people are looking for the true source of jiu-jitsu, etc., then you can pretty much guess the source - it's China.
Dude stop just stop lmao.
@@dhimankalita1690 lol
@@dhimankalita1690bruh lol, they are right tho. Look, Judo directly comes from a few Jujutsu styles (you can find them in internet) and the grappling techniques from those Jujutsu styles, come both from Sumo and things that the people came up by themselves, but it was mainly Sumo. And do you know where sumo comes from? Yes indeed, Shuai Jiao.
If you look at old Shuai Jiao drawings, you'll see that they were also really big people wearing the same thing that a Rikishi (sumo wrestler) wears and they had the same rules (you touch the ground or step out of bounds, you lose).
Shuai Jiao from China and Kalaripayattu from India are the mothers of many, many, MANY martial arts from today.
please translate more tutorials, id love to see them
Sanda has this martial art in it's arsenal
Yes, more please.
Great compilation! There will be a Shuaijiao competition in Ohio soon
You attending?
@@FightCommentary I can't. It was just announced. They also have tournaments in San Jose, CA
That was a great mix I have watched those tutorials for years but I did not understand the audio. If in a match and you do a throw but a knee or hand touches the matt you only get one point if you fall on your opponent they may give you one point or call it a no point. The Taiwan version sometimes called kuai chiao or fast wrestling has different rules and is mostly used by police and military.
I don't think there's a belt system. You just have a red and a blue belt in each match (you bring both colors with you). For the convenience of the judges and audience I think.
When I trained this the outside of my top finger joints were constantly skinless, from rubbing against the jackets. Is that the same in judo? Do your fingers eventually develop tougher skin or do you have antiseptic salves and tape forever?
Loved this video.
The beautiful part is that a lot of these throws are in Tai Ji and other traditional styles but people don't understand the form.
bro u gotta do more shuai jiao coverage!
very cool more please!