Crusader Kings 3 Realm management guide!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2020
- A guide on how to best manage your realm, keep your vassals weak, and deal with factions!
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Finally, guides that give actual in depth tips about things that are not immediately obvious instead of just explaining basic game concepts that can be easily figured out alone. Excellent! Looking forward to more!
Thanks
Totally agree I finally found the perfect guide
Great video! I've been struggling managing my titles and vassals. I finally get some idea on how to keem my kingdom together
Glad to hear it!
This is really well explained! Thank you so much for this video, super helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
OMGs thank you so much for this wonderful in-depth video. New subscriber gained for sure!
Welcome aboard! I tend to do strategy games like ck3 or eu4 but im also doing some nintendo games lately
@@LordForwind I've been interested in eu4 so I'll for sure check out your videos :) Also a Switch player myself so sounds like I happened across a wonderful channel. Binging your CK3 guides with morning coffee as I delay actually doing any real work today :P
Thanks again for making such helpful videos! They are real assets to the community for new players like myself.
no problem, go do your work! And then go watch my other stuff, I hope to get back to my three houses series soon, if you want to do check it out
Thank you for the guide! I am new in the game and it has soooooo many stuff to learn x_x
np, glad to help! let me know if you have any other questions
I see how beneficial it is to keep vassals from owning all their duchy land at the cost of them being unhappy with roughly -25 per piece of land that they want (Idk if its different per character). Ive Also heard that when your selecting vassals its good to choose one with specific traits like craven or trusting over ambitious and deceitful and then look for vassals with high steward or high martial or both and give them all their duchy land so they r happy and the personality traits should keep them more in line from revolting.
What I'm seeing is it can be good for both if u really want to keep ur vassals in check or if ur stuck taking someone else as a vassal then its more beneficial to keep them from getting strong
um I think you understand a bit. I mean give them the land under a vassal but dont give them the land directly
thank you so much!
Glad to help
Thank you for these tutorial videos. I've found them very helpful. Question though... Can you please explain the warning "vassal is loyal to title/duchy/kingdom, not ruler (you)" red pop up in the suggestions bar? How do we correct this exactly? I ran into this as the King of Spain and I believe the vassal was from my brothers former kingdom, which i had taken over. Not sure if it was because I hadn't yet created the proper title or not...
Yeah its the proper title issue, it should go away once you create the title.
Awesome guide on how to control your subordinate (vassal) I still struggle to give away territory for other to rule over. I had a hard time in 1066 with Denmark how am I suppose to inherit a land to my child if everyone has a duchy and county. He just got the kingdom I think
giving it to the grandchild is a rather good strat as well
the best option is to keep it on the family. If your powerful vassals are your family members, its highly likely they won't have a bad opinion of you, in fact, they may already be capped at +100 since you probably gave them the duchy and the county.
Of course the key here is getting High Crown Authority, to prevent family feuds and internal war. The bonus you get from them being family members, plus focusing on the Kin Dynasty Tree, means even with High Crown Authority they won't have negative option of you.
At most they will form their own Cadet Branch, but generally that's not a problem. In fact this is an incentive to expanding, become an Empire and give them a Kingdom.
Yeah controlling internal wars makes things a lot easier in terms of stability
I've been just putting my vassals with random separated counties
And then marrying the vassals or champions with my daughters with the marriages lineage to the women to keep them my lineage going.
Also place your son's as vassals but separated counties. It looks like a mess but it works somehow
Also try to keep everyone happy or with hooks
Tricky but if it works
From what ive gathered the intergrate title works on changing the de jure leigue of a vassle of one rank lower then you to your title. Not sure if they have to share a border with your primary title or not.
They do have to border your lands
wish i saw this video 300 game hours ago.
Well better than 3000 hours!
@@LordForwind 😆
So is it wise to give dukes counties in other duchies exclusively, and then give them the dukedom of a different duchy. Or should you give them one county in the duchy, and then any other counties outside the duchy? I understand keeping your vassals weak, but I find that if they are too weak, they tend to lose the duchy to their counts and then one of their counts ends up with too much power xD.
Also, do you recommend distributing duchy titles to relatives (cousins etc..) outside of dealing with partition succession, or is it better to keep them as counts? I tend to have trouble managing really large empires, and end up having to fight several succession wars whenever a new king / emperor takes over just to hold the land.
Giving title to non-sucession family is a good idea. I tend to give the dukedom to the strongest count to try and stop that. A 1 province duke tends to lose the title to another 1 title count, but usually they dont take the county and become a 2 title duke, which means they are manageable.
I've been giving Duchy titles to a vassals outside of that Duchy. Seems to work so far with no penalties... but I guess that will make it like a tangled spiderweb
yeah it can work, the issue is that they can revoke and reclaim land in the duchy if they want which means they could get the duchy plus land outside of it. That could result in a large powerful vassal!
@@LordForwind ah yeah true... thanks! Btw best guide vids on crusader kings by far that I've seen...
ty! I try! IF you have any other questions let me know!
I observed that integrate title is an option when you have a domain holding outside the realm of your primary title and it is adjacent to it. Not sure with the 2nd observation.
Interesting
Or you can just destroy all duchies and manage them all by yourself. Also even if they conquer some lands, they'll lose it if they have some than 1 inheritable son/daughter. The disadvantage is sometimes your vassals are lucky bastards and they have only 1 hair and when they conquer too many land they start providing you some problems like fractions.
Yeah and that happens a fair amount of the time
So if I want to make a duchy, is the holder of the duchy title the one who owns the soldiers or is it the vassals who own the counties?
each level of lord gets some of the soldiers. The count owns a % of it, then the Duke gets a %, then king % and finally emperor %.
Loving the guides. I know that once you get a kingdom, you're limited to to two duchies before vassals. How many would you say is safe to hold onto before the penalty is too much?
I usually just hold one, maybe two. Since what really matters is counties and baronies, I tend to focus more on them!
@@LordForwind got it. Now aside from obviously rich territory or your starting territories, what do you think is best to aim for in terms of the direct domain holdings you should try to have? Should you try to fit your holdings in with the duchies you're holdings? I know you suffer opinion penalties for controlling counties in other people's duchies, even if they're vassals, but would it be better to take personal control of counties you grab out on your frontier to build them up? Actually, is it wise to pay for construction in vassal counties?, or is that a shoddy return on investment? Sorry, that's a lot of questions, but you seem to have a good handle on this, and while I think I'm doing pretty good, I wanna get into more efficient habits
okay, so you want to find a good large duchy, 3+ counties, like East Saxe where London is, then you want to find the county with the most baronies in it and build castles on them after a church and city. All holding should be in you capital duchy if possible. Focus on developing a core duchy and ignore any outskirt lands. Dont build up vassals unless they are making no money to build up their own lands, or you have tons of cash like 5k+. I dont mind the questions at all, I do have discord if you want to ask me questions there. Link is on my channel page, I think it still works
@@LordForwindAh. You know what, I hadn't even considered building holdings yet, but that would actually be much smarter, thanks!
Clean borders or less powerful vassals. Tough choices.
yep border gore or rebellions....
Even if only a direct vassal can create a faction against you, what difference does that make? If he gains independence from his duke (your vassal), you still lose the land, right?
he cant do independence only revolt against his duke and take the title
Hi Thank you for tutoring us. Do you have a twitch channel?
I do, I don't do anything with it currently, since until 3 days ago very few people watched my stuff. I tended to stream in youtube instead
Do you keep the dukes from your own kingdom? or do you give them to another king vassal?
I keep my own kingdom ones, but let kings own their de jure ones
I love this game but it pisses me off soooooo much sometimes. I just tried to start a new game a little bit ago and within the first 5 minutes I already had two neighbors declare separate wars on me, immediately followed by having a holy war declared on me by yet another neighbor. It's so hard to get a game started sometimes, but I guess I do that to myself by always picking whoever I want and never going with any of the suggested starts.
Yeah its tough
So let's say I have a dutchy with 3 counties are you proposing that
1) I give the Duke a vassal who owns lands outside his dutchy? Wouldn't this upset the Duke of the dutchy that county is "supposed" to belong in? Also wouldn't I get penalized for this?
2) Give the Duke only 1 county and make sure that the other 2 counties belong to someone else.
option 2
I get the logic behind a lot of what you’re saying RE weakening dukes etc. But the game seems to really push you in the direction of having De Jure territories strictly maintained (e.g. with the ‘rightful liege’ bonuses and so forth). Are those just not worth it?
Not always but makes you life a bit easier
Umm...I'm playing as the king of ireland and I have a duchy title + 2 counties I own inside it including the capital and I don't get the 'duchy capital' bonus in any of them....I don't see it either for any other ruler in Ireland despite them owning the capital of their duchy....what am I missing?
Did you hover over the levy? If not, I don't know what else to think
@@LordForwind Yes...its not there. Look: i.imgur.com/hyOkHYm.png and i.imgur.com/D1KA2uo.png
yeah no idea, try moving your capital around in the duchy maybe?
@@No-Kung-Fu i know this is late but maybe your castle level is low?
Struggling with constant mullawadi Andalusian rebels this explains why haha
Yeah there is lots in the game and it's not always well explained
I was following this guide word-for-word but I died suddenly And boy it took everything not to quit but I'm rolling with the punches but now I have a severely splinted realm with 5 ditches all went to 5 sons will i have to war to reuint as a family or will it be war. Btw im Norse so no kin slaying God said 😒🙄 thanks for any i fo you can provide
you have to reconquer them if they went independent but if they are still in your realm you can just revoke titles
@@LordForwind well that's unfortunate, might just try to take over the rest of duchies and just leave it splintered. I hate to war on family thanks for the info brother 👍
conquer them, form a kingdom, if you own less than 50% of a kingdom it wont be created on death, so that will keep them in your lands
don't you think its good to have strong vassals so they can expand for you? Also how do you dismantle a strong vassal?
strong vassals are okay, very strong ones that own a full duchy are dangerous
If you are a king, isn't it a good idea to give a duke all his de jure counties?
give them as vassals, not to hold personally
So basically is it similar to CK2 where we should grant counties to unlanded vassals, while duchies to the county holder (while other counties inside should belong to other counts), and the same to kingdoms?
yep, it hasnt changed that much
@@LordForwind Righto, thanks man. I was worried and changed the way I play too much compared to CK2 and end up breaking my flow into something that doesn't work lmao
Though when we give a duchy to a vassal, so we have to transfer vassalage of the counts under the dejure duchy to him as well? Or is that only a thing if we're one level higher i.e. a king- so we shouldn't have counts unless they're in our capital duchy?
the issue only occurs when you are a higher level, giving away a duchy at the same level mean they leave your lands anyway
@@LordForwind Hmmm, so if we're king, and we give a duchy to a vassal, we transfer vassalage for all vassals in the dejure county to the duke as well?
yeah and if you dont the new patch involves an alert up top
I have taken over the kingdom of Sibir. Ive only got 2 duchies as is the "limit". My vassels are happy but i still only have like 5k levies and its really holding me back! I realize now i probably shouldnt have given so much control away. Also, my heir never has anywhere near the fame prestige or piety. How the heck am i meant to recover during successions with out being illustrious?? Gaaaaahhhhh
Well if you owned over your limit you would have less than 5k troops anyways. Inheritance is always an issues. Have you seen my surviving partition inheritance video?
Just have one son only. Give him control of all spare counties and titles and he will manage it all for you. Will never turn on you either because you gave him so much.
ahh but then you are risking him dying suddenly which happens a fair amount
One legitimate son. Have plenty of bastards just in case.
yeah that works!
Hmmm about this comment. Questiin. Isn't it that you cant grant titles to someone -your heir- that is meant to inherit that title?
actually it's not the best strategy perse to keep the vassals weak because this means you end up with a lot of vassals that all need managing. and all of them feel they earn a spot in the council too, i do start out this way, but later in the game i will have to give dutchie titles away, the way i do it, i will give the dutchy title and 1 county to the duke, the rest of the counties and if possible some holdings of the duke's county to other vassals, i also make sure the duke has no counties in other dutchies, this way the weaker vassals keep the dukes in check, i only have to manage the dukes basically and they manage the other vassals, otherwise you'll end up managing way to much vassals who all want a place in the council. but still successions can be hard to deal with.
It really is better to keep them divided, the biggest threat in game is usually from dukes. Obviously you give the titles out once you have too much land but before duchiea are dangerous
Does CK3 have de jure drift?
yes it does and you can speed it up with the chancellor
It's not really on the topic , but i don't get one thing: My character died, had 3 sons. Other two turned on me, leaving me with no county (they usurped stuff and revoked my title on county). Then i saw Game Over screen. So what is the point in making your close family vasals or distributing land to them, if it's a game over even if game could easyly switch me to another family member. My point is - it doesn't matter that you had 6 sons - and you thought you are safe. You controll one of them after yours character die, and if other sons screw you over - you are done. That's a bit anoying - imo you should be able to switch to one of your brothers or something, if they revoke your land, and only if there are no alive people of your blood/family tree, than it should be game over.
yeah they need to fix that, I have had it happen to me as well
by harming your vassal, you are harming yourself, and will get less tax and levies. Is that worth to do this ?
yep, the economy and levy system is messed up currently, so getting weak vassals is important to do
if i dont give dukes their de jure counties they get a penalty that gets me less tax tho
Early on that isn't a big issue since they contribute so little until they get buildings up and running
So it means to givr it to low borns right and grant the duke that vassal?
This way it is not his direct domain holding?
why did the spanish empire fall?
also i cant get 100 completion on assassins creed syndicate since the one thing is glitched but it wasnt anything important luckily
over inflation and lack of investment in the economy
thank you! @Lord forwind
Africa.... well atm I'm an empire vassals are funny an they always have civil wars, if the vassal is to weak the others will dominate them .
I had one vassal get kicked from 3 different places I put him then I realized they also need martial as well as steward to hold their own.
I keep a wife two yrs two kids an marry again. I keep 3 to four lovers so I constantly have a good flow vassals flowing after 15 yrs .
Prowess is the key 🔑 so you may wont to take an old reliable vassal/champion marry him or her to your children, grandchildren so the land is always in the family . Once your over 50 vassals it becomes impossible to keep all happy , even through befriend, seduce ,sway not enough.
You kinda want to wait till your vassal limit making sure you place someone you wish to rule the duchie in each one . Create the Duchie/High chief the others vassals opinion should all change from negative to positive.
Just things I've learned
The danger with going to vassal limit before creating duchies is that factions can grow and form against you easier. If you only have 7 dukes each ruling 2-4 vassals, it's much easier to keep them happy, than keep 30 counts happy.
Also you have reduced taxes without the duchies most times.
@@LordForwind understood but once the duchie is created, faction is disbanded opinions in many cases negative to positive.
I’m sorry but I think you missed the chisiest and most fun ways to manage wassals, the first one, if you are an emperore, do not have duchy level vassals, give away entire kingdom or even 2 or 3 kingdom at the time, this will make the single vassal more powerfull, but way less powerfull than the 3 kingdom separetly, in my expirience by a half. The second one, witch assure you way less revolt, is to give away kindom like chunk of lend, to a duke, so he is going to have 40 or 60 count under him, with are going to bee in costant revolt, so you do not need to worry about that vassal at all, so potentialy, if you use this second strat to all your vassals, your vassals are never GONA BEE ABLE to rebel against you, becouse they have to deal with their own revolts.
Those strats are not good ones.
Kings get a huge bonus to income and desire for independence. I just did a restore the Roman empire run and only had 3 revolts towards the end and it was only Kings, never had a duke join a faction except at the start for about 10 years. The last thing you want is a duke to own more than 2-3 provinces under them, a 30-40 province duke will create issues and usually form a kingdom under you and then will constantly try to revolt.