Crusader Kings 3 - Reforming a Religion guide!
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2020
- A guide covering the religion reformation process including covering how to get more piety, what doctrines and tenets are good, and some general religion advice!
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Bummer. I spent about 40 years on a character to amass a huge amount of piety until I realized I needed Holy Sites and I had none. XD
Thanks for the info!
pretty sure most everyone makes that mistake the first time!
"YAAAAAAYYYY I can finally reform my faith!!! CAN'T RAID NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
That was my first experience.
yeah kind of mine as well
You can raid as long as you stay tribal
Great guide! Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I actually had a character with the deviant trait as my vassal my first playthrough yesterday, I felt bad though because he was a good friend. Also, thank you for the guide, I'm just starting this game so this is great help.
You're very welcome, thanks for the kind comment
Good stuff!
Thank you!
Pacifism is OP, especially with how easy it is to fabricate claims, get claimants or even outright buy claims. One more county with 4/5/6 holding slots means more cash, levies, building bonuses, and scared factions. Also funnily enough, Pacifism can be paired with Pursuit of Power which will also cancel out the opinion penalty even.
Domain limit rules the game
Super cool, brother
Thanks 👍
Pilgrimages are so awesome with some of those bonuses and events you get out of it, really worth the cost and they take way less time than the game makes it sound like. I also don't know how it is with traditions other than Catholic or Insular, but I've found the most important relationship you have is with your archbishop, since the money and levies you get seem directly related to their opinion of you
in clan governments you get money and levies based off of opinion, so in that government having good relations with strong vassals might trump you archbishop but its close
@@LordForwind Ah. Haven't actually gotten to play as anything other than 1066 Ireland so far (trying to perfect everything before moving on.)I'll have to give that a try at some point
I hope that the eventual DLC that will add China has a similar trade system from the Jade Dragon DLC and makes China Uber powerful so that it’s a late game empire to fight against and a sort of high risk high reward sort of deal
yes so do I
nice guide
Glad it helped
How do you spread religion fast? The converting with the council priest tool is really slow, is there a better way?
get a better priest and have a religion that boost conversion and go down the religion tree.
Also. 1 County 1 vassal. Each vassal gets a priest to convert their county. More vassals = more priests
reformed asatru as vikings and reformed bidism as mali and turned their religion into something similar to the vikings. Going to try something different next time like hellanism which looks extremely difficult to do. It will be very hard i think to secure the byzantium hellanism holy sites any way i do it
Try doing it as the byz emperor, you just need high faith to change religions and you can easy control the states just make sure to have tons troops and good relationships with vassals before converting
if you can raid send raiders to sack one holding, this will make the holder hostile to you for 5 months, then if you fight their troops you will gain prestige and piety based on how many of them you kill. i dont know if it matters that they are a different religion but i would assume so. i used men-at-arms divisions that were high in pursuit (konni) and at the end of the battle they chase down all the retreating enemy and really increase the casualties. you can easily gain 1k prestige and 1k piety if you wipe out a stack of 10k troops. the numbers need to be tweaked i think, seems op
sounds like those numbers do need to be changed!
If I have a temporal Head of Faith (me), when I die, does the head of faith title go to the player heir, eldest child, or eldest child that has not been disinherited? In my game I am the head of faith, I have a lot of children and I have elective law, so my player heir is not my eldest child.
You can check the succession line by hovering over the title but it should go to your main heir
@@LordForwind I think I found it. There's a "papacy" title, and the first in line to that will be the next head of faith.
@@tonymccolley1382 And who got it?
no its a normal title that can be inherited
Just a thing that I have found sped up both piety and helped make up for the conquering deficit was to go down gallant to kingsguard I have 25 knights at age 50 with milszas of prussia. 25%bonus piety certainly helped with my vidilist reforms
Edit: its also fun to rp as pagan warrior jesus
yeah that would help if you can get that far down both trees without him dying and get that many knights
@@LordForwind a trick to help with a deficit of knight characters is to recruit any unwanted prisoners and force them into service. You only need 4 perks of investment in gallant and after that you invest to prophet. At a minimum experience of 25 a month means every 40 months you get a perk. If you start before the age of 30, you can easily hit both of those targets. If you dont even hit kingship you can easily hit 15 knights and +15% is not to be sniffed at
So, I reformed the Asatrú religion, how do I get everyone who is now Old Asatrú to follow me and become "new" Asatrú?
its not that easy, your vassals and family might convert. Other rulers have a chance based off their opinion of you, otherwise at a sword/ax point...
@@LordForwind so, it's pretty useless
kind of? you get to set your tenets, can keep raiding and stuff and then can reform, but honestly its easier to just convert to catholic or orthodox and reform from there
I had a 50 year-long crusade that went over several rulers reigns, and I was the main contributor to the crusade with 18 thousand troops on my last ruler, so by the end of the crusade, I had 9724 piety. I did not want it all to go to waste so I thought what the hell time to reform Catholicism.
yeah crusades are the best way but unavailable to most countries
Oh so interesting! Some questions and ideas I have. I'd like to know how difficult the game is to do outlandish things I have in mind.
I'm thinking of a small kingdom plus duchy, few vassals, so not be overwhelmed by micromanaging. I'd like to focus on forming a religion. Definitely leading the religion and converting as many as possible. Funny stuff with seduction, definitely witchcraft, maybe polyamory or concubines. Be the power behind the thrones, based on Dune's Bene Geserit.
You can only reform once, but can you convert first to a faith more like the one you like and then reform that? It seems the Coptic religion (or any with the Alexandrian something) is awesome for the learning character that you want anyway. Get the longer lifespan and theology line faster, right? Add the medium health boost of being witch and reforming in one lifetime should be easy, right?
Is the trait (eucomeny?) that makes catholics and orthodox like each other available to any christian faith? Does that make it a must have?
I've seen a tip appointing a noble of the same faith as the county and then force that character to convert. The county changes along with the noble.
Is it easy to convert high rank nobles or their heirs - outside of your realm - to your religion? For example, could you fully convert a strong empire in a lifetime? Would you just have to convert the imperial heir? Can you convert clergy?
Could you use this just to sow strife, like convert a few nobles in say the holy roman empire? Would this lead to internal wars or would these nobles just be removed in notime?
Just a few ideas I got from this video:
With seduction (or concubines?) breed only bastards, and many of them and pick the one you like for succession. Possibly a grandchild, so a bastard of a bastard as you'll live long.
Pick the two things that allow clergy to be commanders and knights (+8?), allow both genders for knight and clergy, allow clergy to marry and make your best bastards clergy.
Convert allies and enemies (and heirs) to witches, either for extra relation or to get them in trouble or help convert them to your religion.
Basically all of that is somewhat doable.
@@LordForwind
Great! Any tips?
I think one challenge will be to work with what you have, use talents of the character and react to dangers. but the long term planning seems most awesome, especially when it works.
The game looks to be a timesink, so I'll have to postpone getting it but I'm sure I will now.
Check out my other guide videos, I have plenty of tips in them!
Bidaism has human sacrifice. Combine that with tribal raiding and those captives turn into a lot of piety. Also picking a religion with all their holy sites nearby (and not in Jerusalem) helps. I was in the process of reforming Bidaism when I thought to check some videos first before finalizing things.
edit: oh, nevermind. you mention that.
Yep
If I found a holy order. Can I reform my faith without any drawbacks?
No, you'll be a new religion
@@LordForwind thanks
Ok so i think you have more play time than me here but I think the best Tenets for basically Any religion are; communal Identity, Communion, and Divine Marriage. It basically eliminates your vassals for forming factions against you.
they are certainly up there
Communal identity gets very bad when expanding a lot, because all the different cultures. And conversion is only really nesesary when expanding sooo...
so the most broken combo would be lay clergy with temporal head of faith (you), communion, everything on criminal for infinite gold.
basically yes I suppose!
No longer though. Luckily, it was OP
what does grand holy war they have 30K army
i have 45K army
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Can I reform a christian faith that I created?
yes but it creates a whole new faith
The lifestyle exp boost looks like its only for the learning lifestyle.
Still would be super strong
Lord Forwind true that... question. I’m playing a Britannia game (started as Wessex). I stayed catholic. I now own three of the holy sites (Canterbury, Cologne and Santiago). How do I go about reforming Catholicism now? I only see the option to create a new Christian faith.
you cant reform a reformed religion, you just create a new one
Lord Forwind oh. I didn’t realize it was already reformed. That’s confusing.
Lord Forwind I just created my own faith and I’m seriously over the moon. Indulgences, equal rights, witchcraft, the whole nine.
I find building temples one of the best ways to gain piety per gold ratio besides going to wars which I think earns the most, I've earned 3000 piety mostly through holy wars in a crusader kindgom.
Note: Build a temple in a county you might be giving away later on so it doesn't use up a holding space if you want a city or castle.
Help if you can afford it or can even build temples
That Holy Site shit was soo bullshit honestly. Imagine me struggling to take over all of England from my small island in the North. Then after I take all of Britannia, I wanted to reform my religion and IMAGINE my surprise when I have to take over another Kingdom WAY across the OCEAN!!! I chose the Akom faith, and I'm basically a viking. So I have to go from the North all the way the SOUTH, basically all of Africa -_-.
cant say I like holy sites either
@@LordForwind I mean, the least they can do, before you decide your religion, is WARN you if you're like super far away from it's holy site -_-".
@@chaosngelx You're talking about custom ruler designers. You're not MEANT to be a Viking in England who follows an African religion, and change how the religion works in Africa itself. If you're struggling, just convert to a local religion and then reform/create a new one. Like Insular Christianity, or Norse/slavic pagan faiths.
Btw if you are feudal or tribal and reform Islamic faith, and be the head of the faith - ie Caliphate title created, your Demesne and Laws all turn to Clan! And crown auth back to 1.
That seems like a bug, why would that be a thing otherwise.
So you're saying you haven't .... dabbled... in witchcraft?
Only in game and a bit
Actually being cynical is extra 20% off from reforming a bit less piety income but the events can reflect on it better, you might get 'wise man' and lifestyle xp, then your learning is better. Also, your wife on patronage boosts your learning and hers, and the events give tons of piety when she is good at it.
If you are unreformed, you got no churches, actually, even south Italy lacks many of them, Greece and Spain is better for that.
So is faster to adopt a faith and go feudal then go back if you want. You could use the menu of the faith, but it depends on fervour, a faith that has 0% fervour costs you 35000 piety which is impossible to get, a faith with close to 100% will pop up in heresy outbreaks and its cheap to convert to it, but you might need to be a living legend with no tyranny so your family follows it.
Actually, the best way to convert is trough your wife, you can always kidnap or capture, seduce a female from another faith and gives the option to adopt to it, with multiple wives or lovers you can just swap around easily, or do a double switch, it can cost a loss of prestige and devotion level to do it.
A fun way to get rid of heresies to convert to it then convert back from it, since their main issue is the faith itself, but you can imprison them and take lands if you wish, only that its way faster to convince leaders to convert than to use conversion with a priest, and high learning rulers are prone to adopt heresies. And nothing wrong with reforming twice as long as you are famous and loved, your family members follow you, you just need to control more than 60-80% of the lands, you better take 'know yourself' and do the reform in the last year but you can just take human sacrifice if you want more changes later. Around 6500 piety is a pretty good religion, but rather change the basics to another, All Christian faiths got ecumenism at the start, and that makes marriages possible. But the holy sites ar a lot of money and influence, and thee best holy sites are the byzantine ones, a few others use those same locations like most Jewish faiths.
As for Africa, Sonnike and Ghana is far superior in innovations, butt Bidaic is not ass good as Sanguic, since Sanguic has the holy sites in the middle. BAsically 3 layers on top of each other. The culture and religion conversion is slow, so by controlling the Singuic sites and cities like Niani and Jenne, you get more power than from fighting with it. Did a manding run, and moved my capital to Jenne, adapted to their culture but kept my religion. They will adopt any faith just to go feudal but then they swap back to one old.
Actually, bastards are horrible, Ai can geet kids from concubines and take over your line, since having genius rulers is the best, the bastard can take your heir spot and you get worse genetics from a concubine than a wife you choose. You can marry your concubines or secondary wives matrilineally. Concubines are good for breaking alliances but bastards are bad in the partition. Legitimizing when needed is better than disinheriting when not needed. Multiple wifes are powerful, just because they can do different tasks in the council, so you better not use 'assist ruler' but have one on 20-30 points and change primary when needed, also the ones with no land or claims will stay in court after the divorce so you can basically bring in an unlimited number of women, convert them and marry with your own courtiers who would not get as good marriages as you would.
The main difference in religions is what is considered criminal and what not. Adamite or Asatru, Taltosist or Suomi are pretty good.
As for the priests, they can do control, recruit or popular opinion, own land and/or marry. Since you got 5 council spots and 4 councillors, and you cant change the priest for most religions, or if you do you don't get taxes, a custom one can help with that. You either go female priests and more freedom, or families owning lands as use them as a normal councillor.I think male-dominated is fine, you can still put them into position if their husband dies, choosing old or wounded husbands with no kids. Also, diplomat and steward is generally male, spymaster can be a female, that's why i like female priests. Marshalls can be female in some case, but they never fight like a knight, they just command so they rarely die, which is good and bad, since you get hooks on vassals each generation, and if they dont like you, you can force them to die so if you got many strong families you only protect one each specialized on diplo or stewardship, supply your own spymaster, and have multiple martial focused families to fight each other while you get away with tyranny. Female commanders liv long, and easily get 40 stats in martial, which is huge to train and control, but if you ever piss them off, they are the scariest liberty war, leaders.
Generally, you want to reform your faith and hold a single holy site at least for a 'head of faith'. Indirect control over churches is more money and fewer crimes are kinda better. Unless you are the head of faith and seek indulgences with lay clergy. Lollards and Waldensians are kind of scripted outbreaks and they are more poverty-focused, old catholicism is better for money.
Catholicism has Ecumenism which makes other Christians Astray and not Evil, which means you can get marriages with -30 penalty and not -1000. To weaken them, you just take Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome and Jerusalem. So byzantine has less land to cover o 'Mend the great schism'. But Karaiitee or Samaritan? and others are also Jewish and quite similar.
Tribal faiths are quite good and having more land for your faith helps with marriages, those Swedish chicks are op for any unreformed faith.
If you want an easy run, try the Magyar migration, you get 5000 special soldiers for 'preparing thee migration', they stay until your ruler dies and you can declare war on anyone inside Pannonia. Then you can give titles to anyone, culture change, all the good sttuff. hen you either go catholic and feudal, then either promote catholicism for development bonus or go back to taltosism and swap 1tenet for another. Its a long time until you get any pressure from HRE or Byzantine so you can choose Human sacrifice and reform it again, it can be whatever and you still stay a strong local force. In other places i tried and they jumped on me right away.
Yeah religion has a lot of advanced tactics to it
95% of my vasals changed their belief with me.
But my people are now revolving in a huge mass -.-
I think its because I changed to fundamentalists.
For me it seems like it has to do with fervor. But why? I have 100%...
Your lands might not have converted? Or because you changed everyone got a converted penalty?
@@LordForwind yes my land was not converting :D
my vasals and a part of my land but the bigger part wasn't and they revolved.
Because it's my first playthrough since a while i do with saving and I went back and didn't chosed fundamentalists.
Divine mariage all the way
viable choice especially if you go down the bloodline renown tree