Africa is my favorite! I expanded hella early and I feel like one battle lost will result in a domino effect! I’m gonna spend my characters last 20 years destroying kingdom titles and going on pilgrimages.
@@Razorwire882 revoking a title from a family member is such an unimaginable pain. Having brothers as vassals is an unimaginable pain. There's benefits to splitting a kingdom or an empire on succession but otherwise if it's internal fracturing then my sons have to get the bucket.
"I recommend murder". Seriously before I started playing this game I thought people are trying to hard to be cynical villains. But when I started playing myself and run into situation when hard work of building kingdom through several generation is threatened by some other guy. even when he is from your family moral somehow goes away. Its crazy how lust for power makes you heartless asshole even in a computer game
So when I send armies of men to their potential death that isn't as immoral as murder to be noted when we make considerations of a moralistic nature with regards to how this game is played. Hmm coooll.
Does it make you a heartless arsehole? The alternative is chaotic small provinces ruled by warlords who kill to rule. The alternative is the lesser of two evils, the occasional heartless act of a swift precise strike to stop the world falling to chaos. I think perhaps this is more a lesson in life for radical utopians to take to heart than proof that power makes people evil - because you aren't evil. And you aren't trying to do evil. You're trying to keep a realm together and you know that under a larger realm everyone will prosper but under chaos they will all suffer. That or perhaps this says more about YOU and your purposes if that's NOT what you're trying to achieve. :P
Bro I'm play as queen of wales I have no hier in my dystany character age 50+ but I have seductress trait is it possible have children! ? Or what should I need to do caary my game
It is my very first play through of CK 3. I will explain why this game is special if you’re interested. I played the tutorial and became interested in the story of Petty King Brian. I carried onward to his passing and took over his sons Brian II. In my early 20s my fathers death sparked me to realize that my dynasty would be in grave danger if I did not marry soon. I must create an heir. My wife was one of the most qualified women in the known world at the time. I was lucky to betroth her. She had exceptionally high lifestyle skills and at least 10 solid traits. I’ve yet to see anything like her since. I knew I had found the one. Within the first year or two of our marriage my lovely became pregnant with our first child. Soon to be my 1st son and rightful heir. I relished the opportunity to have a Prince and set my ideas towards growing the lands I would one day hand down to him. Though as life often does, it threw me a curve. Late into my wife’s pregnancy, it was discovered that she was having an affair with that bastard of a Franconian duke robert! Suddenly I came to realize the child … may not be mine. I struggled deeply with what to do. The laws didn’t allow me to punish the duke, but only my wife. I couldn’t bear the thought of imprisoning her, for if my heir truly lives inside her, I wouldn’t have them brought into the world in a jail cell. I wanted to murder her, but again what of my child? I decided to wait. I needed time to think and clear my mind. I would allow her to go unpunished and soon she gave birth to a baby boy. Who unlike his mother and her lovers brunette, had a head of blonde hair like mine. Surely this was my son… but the irking feeling nagged at me still. What if I’m wrong? I decided to let the baby grow up and see it through. Surely as he aged into a boy I would see in his face if he was truly my heir. So I forced myself to find forgiveness in my wife, yet not forget. Several years past and my boy grew to look more and more like me. I loved my son dearly.. yet I still could not shake the feeling. It haunted me always… it was during these early years of the princes life that began looking into the faith to try and calm my mind, and to change my ways. Thus I recognized my duchy struggling to maintain piety. Checking the religion tab I found that the catholic irish traditions expected me to have several wives. It said “since marriage is a holy sanctity, several marriages must therefore be even more holy!” So I sought out others. Enter probably the most memorable character I have ever experienced in a video game to my life, the lovely and vivacious Sadb. While the other wives weren’t memorable there was special in Sadb. While not rivaling my first wife she certainly had skills to hold her own, and more importantly traits to create a kinder hearted and more chivalrous line in my family. While I fought in petty wars with my neighbors, I regretted the brutal ways of my fathers ruling and the traits I had inherited from it. I knew that to maintain peace in my lands and the lands to come, a gentler approach would be a welcome change. And Sadb was going to help me do that. More years past and though my childbearing had been so limited my son now 5-6 was growing strong… although much more like his mother than me. I worried he may be treacherous but fought to combat that by making myself his personal guardian. I had finally found peace with the idea of my main wife’s affair and moved on from it. I defended my petty kingdom through a couple of rebellions from ungrateful vassals and focused on raising my son. I was looking to the future. But just as I had all but forgotten about the queens affair… my spymaster approaches me… that bastard of a duke Robert, and my queen were caught red handed in my bed chambers. She had done it again.. and I was enraged. I would not make the same mistake twice. By ancient Gaelic law, I challenged her to hand to hand combat.. and I swiftly ended her life myself in front of the entire kingdom. In these moments I was filled with darkness. I would begin a failed scheme to murder Robert as well. The people saw me as evil, but I knew it to be just. I would no longer allow my dynasty to be riddled with wickedness. I would erase it piece by piece with my axe. The rage brought on by my queens unfaithfulness drove me near madness. My goal in life was now clear. I would reunite Ireland under 1 banner, my banner, and change the future of our kingdom or die trying. But as God would see my plight, he saw it fit to send me a blessing. For as my mission began, my new Queen Sadb would offer me a son as well. A 2nd heir. Sadb and I would fall in love and eventually become soulmates. My boys being only 6 years apart would grow up and become crucial members of my council. The wars would wage on into their early adulthoods. I played it safe, I moved slowly and meticulously. Playing on diplomacy and building my armies. I replaced abhorrent vassals with some more trustworthy. I finally began to regain control over my small territory and Sadb would offer me several daughters to build alliances. I did not know if I would ever be powerful enough to fulfill my goals but my sons would. While my 1st son born of a treacherous wife would become much like his mother, even plotting to kill his brother and being a deceitful villain, his half brother my 2nd son would be like Sadb. He carried much more chivalrous and martial traits, even to the point I was forced to make him my Martial and commander. He was the greatest warrior in my kingdom. And yet life again would test me… for just as our small kingdom began to flourish and the time for conquest drew near… Queen Sadb died at age 40 during childbirth leaving behind our final daughter, I would justly name Gift of Sadb. I would marry off all of my daughters for alliances or to gain powerful knights in my court. But not Gift of Sadb. She was my light, and I would not share her until the perfect partner stepped forth, if ever at all. This was the first time I can ever remember that a game actually made me sad. I was heartbroken in real life. I became enraged… the time was now. I immediately set out on a vicious conquest, leaving a brutal bloodbath in my wake. For 20 years I would wage war on every ruler in Ireland not under my banner, and force them to join me by either will or death. Until I conquered Ireland and created the kingdom it always should have been in my family’s name. And as the war wrapped up and I was crowned high King I thought my troubles were over. But wickedness had returned to my court in a way I had never expected. Within the last several years of the war, I lost several courtiers, a vassal or two, and even my own newborn son to the hands of a nasty serial killer. They would leave their bodies splayed out on the ground, bleeding them out with a large knife. I schemed for years to find the killer but all of my attempts would fail. I knew my 1st son was wicked as his mother was, I knew he was a broken soul… but this? Surely he couldn’t. But I remember… I remember 20 years earlier uncovering his attempt to kill his own brother. I knew what had to be done. I had held on to this anxiousness for almost 40 years. It was time to remove him from the line… his brother, not him would be king. So I disinherited him of all his rights. And told him he would fight as one of my knights until the end of his days, unless I uncover that he is in fact the killer who has been plaguing my court for years… the very next day he was found, murdered by the killer. The 2nd of my sons to be stabbed to death in less than a year. Only this time the killer was suspected, and brought forth to my attention. Finally I had a name… so I approached the killer directly and she smiled evil into my soul… at last I knew who could commit such vile acts against my own family… my sacred daughter, the Princess Gift of Sadb. This was one of the few times I can ever remember in life a game left me absolutely speechless. I teared up. And in that exact moment I knew.. exactly what Crusader Kings was all about, and why this game is special.
The only way I've found a way around this so far is to marry my main character to someone who is infertile, just staying with one, maybe two kids in till i can reform the laws.
I haven't played western civs yet but I know in the eastern/tribal civs you can just disinherit your heirs. Its a -20 relation with only them. After the first couple civil wars over one brother declaring war over another its been my go to strat, founded the Mongol Empire in 950 that way. Hopefully it works in feudal societies :>
Everyone in Europe had Primogeniture during that time. Paradox are just retarded. My homeland had this even during 681... And you can get this only during the Late Medieval Period? Lmao. Okay. So much about authentic experience. It adds nothing to the game, only makes it worse.
Thanks a lot, first time playing CK3 I understand most things except the succession, always ended up restarting, at least now I can keep up till I get Primogeniture, or maybe an update to get it sooner.
And it’s harder in CK3 than it was in CK2, because (with a few exceptions) you can’t rush to Primogeniture. In fact, if the do nerf the rapid expansion ability (which I think is currently way too easy), I can see everyone complaining about succession even more.
Just embrace the succession laws. You can always fabricate claims on your previous counties if you really need that holding back. Also building a second barony in your main county can help, since you'll always inherit it.
A good way to make sure that your children have secrets that you can use against them to revoke titles is to start a witch coven and indoctrinate all your children into being witches. So then your heir can out them for being witches, steal all their titles and righteously imprison them.
@@LordForwind if you discover somebody with a witch secret you get the option to become one. Then you need to have a family with 4+ members and with at least 60% of them being witch's in order to form a coven (you can convert people who like you to witchcraft using a scheme). Any witch's in a coven will automatically convert any wards into witch's. Edit: I think you can also become a witch from one of the hunting events. As well as a random event where you just meet a witch living in your lands.
If you fabricate a claim to a title you can revoke it without the tyranny penalty (with crown authority of 2 or higher). The hooks will still help increase your probability of them agreeing, but avoiding the tyranny penalty is nice too.
it's just trying to keep players from steamrolling the game in a short amount of time and stay relatively historical since primogeniture didn't really exist as a succession law in real life until around the 1200s at the earliest. Europe was pretty fractured during the medieval era.
These guides on succession and titles have been (by far) the best i've seen so far for CK3. Thank you. I've been playing in the Ghana and Mali area; so this was even more relevant for me. This helped a ton.
This is exactly why I came to this video. I realized I really messed up my succession while failing to make the Empire of Mali. Once my guy dies, that goal will be set back decades. My sons are older too, so the chance of winning the wars and then living long enough to get the empire title are slim. I didn't focus on intrigue much so it looks like disinheritance and revoking titles may be what I have to do and hope i learn my lesson.
My way of dealing with it is to embrace the fact I'm going to lose my holdings to sons and just have 17 kids. Then just go down the "keeping the realm together" branch of your lifestyle first so you won't die haha. Administrator for stewards, befriending people for diplo, dread for intrigue etc.
Once I get my succession at a point I'm happy with my wife pops out another boy. I have so many sons lol. Already lost some to battles but might have to start some wars once the rest are grown up to thin out the herd. I just realized I might be able to found Britannia so I'll look into that. Might make things a bit better.
THIS VIDEO IS REALLY GOOD! I am not sure if you wrote a script for this but that would help the quality, and edit so your guide can be more cohesive. At some points it seemed like you were forgetting what you were speaking about.
IMO disinheriting is the best option. You just need a little bit of prestige and renown and you can always keep your nation stable. Yes you don’t get the bonuses from renown but hey just get them later when you have an empire title and your succession is finally stable ;)
Lord Forwind true True but if that were to happen with 15 kids you really need the hell of a wife ! xD besides you not always get sons, sometimes you get daughters and as longs as you have only 1 son that isn’t disinherited everything is fine
@@LordForwind You can always simply murder the extra sons. Or ward them off to hostile powers in hopes they do it for you. I haven't tried it yet, but I wonder what would happen if you gave your kid as ward to a character with a disease like leprosy or consumption. If they make it out of childhood, send them off on losing battles until they die. My current playthrough, I'm allied and heavily intermarried with a large country's ruling family... whose emperor can't keep his sons alive long enough to get grandchildren out of them. B) At some point, his country is going to end up mine, especially if I off the daughters I didn't get to marry into my family.
Damn 130 hours in and I didn't actually know where the succession laws were... Thank you. Would have helped before my character died and the kingdom was split between 13 children...
Well i have a few tips myself. If you are a catholic you can send your kids into monastery or a holy order. By joining it they lose all they claims. Most interesting thing is they will return to your court so you can appoint them as physicians or marshals/knights.
This is highly unreliable strategy. What i often find is, my heir's having traits that make them very reluctant or impossible to convince to take the vows. Ambitious being one of them. Also, your primary heir is near impossible to be forced into doing that because he has the ''primary heir claim'' that gives like 150 reluctance from a get go. I found in one game that my primary heir was complete garbage and my second son grew up to be mega chad so really... only way of getting rid of my first son was some kind of ''accident''! What i ended up doing was fabricating hook on him, exposing it, imprisoning him, torturing him and throwing him into dungeon where he eventually died.
Ugh! I hope I can figure out how to save my kingdom! Hoping your video helps. I keep starting 867 and I’m trying to save pict land. I take over Scotland -Iceland cause it’s harder to beat ivar and wales-Britain. Establish pict land and then when my main character dies my kingdom always split. I was king of Scotland last night. Then when I died someone rose up and claimed theyre the true king then destroyed me. My problem is understand succession and warfare. I don’t under stand how with my army of 2k someone with 1k was out seiging me.. they would conquer my territory in half the time with half the army I don’t understand. I almost feel like only having one heir and killing all the rest so he inherits everything
Siege depends on martial skill but mainly seige weapons. Try going down the left military focus tree. It has a massive siege bonus in there. Most major vikings have it at start. Playing Picts is tricky. Best bet is to try to holdout for two generations before pushing against Vikings. Don't worry too much about losing the throne early, you can get it back. Focus on building up your capital and getting men at arms going. Use disinheritance or kill off heirs.
Well in my Magyar tribes campaign I was playing as Almos and my son Arpad had 3 children in the beginning and later he had 13 children so what I did to tackle this situation was to conquer all Hungary de jure titles as Arpad and granted every duchy to my sons and disinherited my 2 sons with this I saved my titles and then later I married my heir with a 40 year old lady with that he only had 2 sons and when Arpad died I disinherited my first born because my 2nd born had a genius trait
I just did something so shady to retain 2 kingdoms. I arrested my 2nd eldest child (my daughter,) tried committing suicide, (which I failed,) so I lived out the rest of my 2 years arresting all of my vassals. Once my heir took the reins... I executed my sister and took over her title via succession. Then I revoked as many vassal titles as I wanted and rebuilt my kingdom. My character is now 40 and I have 9 kingdoms (30k Troops.) That’s why I’m here... I think I’ll try to destroy the kingdom titles (all except 1,) and pass any holdings that are up for grabs to trust worthy unlanded vassals... they should pledge their liege to the top kingdom... And in turn... I’ll retain most of my land. If not... I think I’ll arrest any opposition to succession.
Jesus man you're a lifesaver. I asked about this in your other succession movie but got it answered here when I found your channel. Love you for this! SO let me ask for clarification: The more territories you have (outside the capital duchy) the less the chance of your brothers inheriting stuff inside the duchy. Why is that? Seciond question: By this logic, having a cohesive amount of holdings in a consolidated area means EVERY SINGLE ruler you ever own is required to go at least 1 perk into Intrigue? Preferably the first level for maximum speed...? Final question: Most likely, most of the time, you HAVE to revoke titles every single time a ruler dies if you want to maintain this cohesion. This is expected, yes?
1 because the game tries to pass on duchies intact. I assume this is to simulate that a duke would have more claim on his de jure lands than landholders outside of it. 2 Basically or use the spymaster or disinherit the other heirs before they get land 3 Yeah until you get high partition or primogeniture. Keeping the power base intact is a big struggle in game until then
The people in southern France have the ability to get high partition early so at first i made sure to give my sons the land i conquered so they had the same amount as the heir. Then i changed my two duchies to elective while the kingdom stays at partition law, the few counts that can vote in the duchy election can never beat me so my heir gets all my lands. I dont know if this will get patched but for now this method makes the only land available to my other sons the kingdom capital which always goes to the heir. The only down side is that i can only have one kingdom title.
My problem is after succession i get a big chunk of land which is cool but somehow i start losing land to the brothers while we are in an alliance. They can attack me but i am not allowed to defend
You always can defend in a war. Something else must be happening. Also allying the brothers isn't a good idea it's usually better to attack immediately after succession to regain the lands.
Well if you only focus on military buildings in your capital it will give you more men, yes, but if you build and upgrade gold generating buildings you can quickly gather enough money for mercenaries, so it works both ways, i prefer mercenaries since they dont cost any upkeep now, i dont know why, feels like they are way too easy to get now.
they are easy to get now, but the levies make factions less likely to get the needed military strength to revolt, plus I have had several wars where no mercs were available. they were all hired out already!
What I do is rush elective succession laws (like Tanistry). Before my character kicks it, I vote for a non-heir then give all titles I can to my preferred heir. THEN, I cast my votes for my actual heir. When my character dies, my heir will get almost all of my titles.
Yes, but when I want to give out land to my daughters husband and my most powerful knight, how can I keep their loyalty upon succession. I can deal with my sons, its is my vassals that threaten my stability.
the prestige and dynasty hit from disinheriting is pretty steep though. I've taken to murdering any sons that stand to get a new title and split my realm...using bribes or hooks to get agents and ensure the 95% success rate. Of course this can get very messy as you have to murder any grandkids through them as well ;) But when you have like 5 sons who is going to miss that 5th family branch, hah! ;)
@@LordForwind haven't played CK before and picked up CK3. I'm enjoying it but don't know how to achieve the goals I set. These help me understand what steps to take to get there!
If you start as a Duchy, it's relatively simple early game. Race to 1 kingdom and hope to god that your firstborn is decent, The problem I tend to have it the second phase going from Kingdom to Empire, the 80 holdings is a killer and money if you're not paying attention.
It definitely needs a wider variety of events. Been seeing a lot of the same ones for awhile now, 35 hours in. In a long sandbox game like this, variety is a valuable aspect. Wouldn't be surprised if they did one largely for that purpose since the same event-focused DLC in CK2 was one of the most popular, of not THE most popular DLCs for it. I'm sure such a DLC would also include some more scheme and hook options which would also be very welcome. I wasn't a fan of Sunset Invasion. Turned it off completely a short time after getting it. Isn't there a mod in the Mod Workshop for it already?
I rush learning. Get the Restraint perk. Don't land my heir or arrange a marriage for them unless I know they can't have children. I'm basically China with the one child policy lol
Idk what to do for this I have one son and two daughters with a male preference partition succession. So I was thinking of marrying my son to my eldest daughter ( I know incest) and marrying my youngest daughter to another realm. Would that negate the partition?
Have you played around with making titles elective? At the moment I'm staying as a duke till I have normal Partition but am wondering if making any extra land or even all land elective would be effective. Also wondering what happens to counties under duchies with an elective system, or if you can stack an election so one guy gets absolutely all your stuff on death. Great vid, liked and subbed!
election is easier to manage than confederate partion as you can always murder unwanted candidate and frabricate hook on high voters (use intrigue tree) or get the +100% opinion gift (Thoughtful from Diplomacy), steward Golden Obligations + intrigue tree is op as you combo hooks and $$$$
Not a good plan, this method only works if you have renown, and prestige to spare, plus to have to stay head of the family for the whole game, which is hard to do.
@@LordForwind If you got the renown and prestige, one could cheese it somewhat. Let your character die, then reload and disinherit because you know he'll die soon, even if not at the exact same time. Ofc there are different reasons to die, but it should be of old age haha.
Hey I'm new to the game and I'm wondering, why not just disinherit the heirs you don't want to receive anything? Does that work, or does it just make them not the main heir? Or do they try to come for the land later with claims?
First off, it takes both renown which is hard to get and prestige. It does work but many people dont want to play that way, which is why I made this guide. Those heirs do get claims and can come back.
Man I started as rurik and with my son I subjugated the khazar empire so now every one to two generations the Russian empire goes to war to retake the khazar throne.
Just give your kids each a ducky before you die because if your a duke they will each get a duchy anyone that way you can give them which one your want. If you do that it counts as there inheritance. Yes you will lose land but they will be your vassal and still make money there no way in Confederate to have your heir hold everything you had it's impossible but you can make sure he gets the strongest stuff by only building like he said in the lands your heir will inherit that will gurantee he stronger. The duchy you give them counts as there inheritance upon your death so as long as they have equal land to your heir they will be your vassal and stay in your heir control.Think I explain that right. But guys remeber there is no way during Confederate to keep all so dont conquer to much during that time form alliances to keep your safe until late then expand. I am new also and just learning this but I think I understand now. But also there no telling how many kids your gonna have so just dont expand to fast
Bro I'm play as queen of wales I have no hier in my dystany character age 50+ but I have seductress trait is it possible have children! ? Or what should I need to do caary my game
I think the best way to avoid splitting everything is after you have your first male heir you go celibate. Which is why I end up going learning focus exclusively till I get primogeniture since learning focus also means you get cultural fascination quicker
What if your first male heir dies? I think having two heirs (male or female) and then going celibate might better, to lower the chances of the RIP run.
Even easier to do as pagans - take a concubine to produce an heir then set them aside immediately. Do that when you're like 30 so that when you die at 50-60 your heir will be of good age to repeat the trick. (You don't want a boy inheriting. And if the heir is too old then his own heir might be a boy when inheriting.) Or just seduce for a bunch of bastards, then legitimize as needed. It's honestly not very interesting though.
I guess you could take a few levels in learning for the celibacy decision This way you can have 1 or 2 sons and take vows. This might be risky if both die though so you'll need to be extra careful not to let them join your armies etc when you're old. In general fertility can bring more issues than solve, but it can bump your renown gain immensely the longer the game goes. Also with the lifestyle tree it's better to be a jack of all trades rather than go for end of tree perks, as having for example the ability to demand payment for hooks from stewardship and hook fabrication from intrigue can be great money making for a poor african count. Joining an empire, getting hooks on every vassal and then fabricating for the empire title is a super easy way to take the whole thing for yourself with very little bloodshed involved. Declaring war for something and then abducting the enemy leader after fabricating/finding secrets in his entire court is also broken and basically removes the combat aspect of the game provided you synchronize the events properly, this game really needs some balance patches, intrigue is OP and I wouldn't be surprised if they reworked it entirely.
You should probably mention disinheriting as a way to keep your titles less fractured. It's a non-tyrannical way that is only slightly risky, but nearly required when you have too many kids.
Destroy kingdom title does nothing, because the damn game create the title again on succession. If you start as tribal it's even worse. Because the transition from tribal to Feudal knee cap you totally in regard of income, levies and units possible. And as you need to reform religion to even be able to go feudal, it's a good chance you end up with someone call a holly war at you every other year :/
@@LordForwind If you play as norse you are kind of screwed with several hundred years of gavelkind before you can even start sniff at change the laws that give any meaningful value, at least if you start out with the earliest start.
@@LordForwind Will a Petty Kingdom title holder leave my Kingdom once the current king dies? I'm confused as to why its still a Petty kingdom title when it seems to me it should be a duchy title as its a part of a kingdom. I'm playing the tutorial as Munster and have now formed Ireland put there the Petty Kingdom of Conncaht is not going to go to my heir.
Looking at the comments, I feel like Im the only one who fights massive wars after sucession, using an alliance + large mercenary armies to choke my vassals back into submission and reunite the realm
Is there a historical reason for such a shitty mechanic? Is this how things had to be done back then? Its dumb and annoying unless there was a specific reason
remember folks: In CK3 it's easy to conquer land, not so easy to keep land during a succession struggle.
basically!
*dont expand too early"
Sweats nervously side eying my new empire of Mecha-Afrika
I mean you can, but holding it together will be extremely hard to do
@@LordForwind Yeah im fighting that in the north. Its full on war all the time.
@@LordForwind its chaos, they all shall taste the blade
@@spart169 it may be chaos, but chaos, is a ladder
Africa is my favorite! I expanded hella early and I feel like one battle lost will result in a domino effect! I’m gonna spend my characters last 20 years destroying kingdom titles and going on pilgrimages.
NB: You can fabricate a claim inside your own kingdom, allowing you to revoke a title without incurring tyranny penalty.
Yep you can
As OP as it may be it's historically accurate, and for that reason I'm good with it personally.
sadly it takes like 3 years
@@Razorwire882 revoking a title from a family member is such an unimaginable pain. Having brothers as vassals is an unimaginable pain. There's benefits to splitting a kingdom or an empire on succession but otherwise if it's internal fracturing then my sons have to get the bucket.
"I recommend murder". Seriously before I started playing this game I thought people are trying to hard to be cynical villains. But when I started playing myself and run into situation when hard work of building kingdom through several generation is threatened by some other guy. even when he is from your family moral somehow goes away. Its crazy how lust for power makes you heartless asshole even in a computer game
or its how the game forces you to become as well
So when I send armies of men to their potential death that isn't as immoral as murder to be noted when we make considerations of a moralistic nature with regards to how this game is played. Hmm coooll.
Yup, the reality of medieval feudalism
Does it make you a heartless arsehole? The alternative is chaotic small provinces ruled by warlords who kill to rule. The alternative is the lesser of two evils, the occasional heartless act of a swift precise strike to stop the world falling to chaos. I think perhaps this is more a lesson in life for radical utopians to take to heart than proof that power makes people evil - because you aren't evil. And you aren't trying to do evil. You're trying to keep a realm together and you know that under a larger realm everyone will prosper but under chaos they will all suffer. That or perhaps this says more about YOU and your purposes if that's NOT what you're trying to achieve. :P
Killing one person is better than killing thousands.... Too bad that one person is your brother
Thank you omg i was playing bronze age doing so good and all my stuff vassalied when i died so annoying but this helped! Thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Bro I'm play as queen of wales I have no hier in my dystany character age 50+ but I have seductress trait is it possible have children! ? Or what should I need to do caary my game
Crusader Kings I: The Forgotten Menace
Crusader Kings II: The Primogeniture Wars
Crusader Kings III: Revenge of the Gavelkind
Totally true!
It is my very first play through of CK 3. I will explain why this game is special if you’re interested. I played the tutorial and became interested in the story of Petty King Brian. I carried onward to his passing and took over his sons Brian II. In my early 20s my fathers death sparked me to realize that my dynasty would be in grave danger if I did not marry soon. I must create an heir. My wife was one of the most qualified women in the known world at the time. I was lucky to betroth her. She had exceptionally high lifestyle skills and at least 10 solid traits. I’ve yet to see anything like her since. I knew I had found the one. Within the first year or two of our marriage my lovely became pregnant with our first child. Soon to be my 1st son and rightful heir. I relished the opportunity to have a Prince and set my ideas towards growing the lands I would one day hand down to him. Though as life often does, it threw me a curve. Late into my wife’s pregnancy, it was discovered that she was having an affair with that bastard of a Franconian duke robert! Suddenly I came to realize the child … may not be mine. I struggled deeply with what to do. The laws didn’t allow me to punish the duke, but only my wife. I couldn’t bear the thought of imprisoning her, for if my heir truly lives inside her, I wouldn’t have them brought into the world in a jail cell. I wanted to murder her, but again what of my child? I decided to wait. I needed time to think and clear my mind. I would allow her to go unpunished and soon she gave birth to a baby boy. Who unlike his mother and her lovers brunette, had a head of blonde hair like mine. Surely this was my son… but the irking feeling nagged at me still. What if I’m wrong? I decided to let the baby grow up and see it through. Surely as he aged into a boy I would see in his face if he was truly my heir. So I forced myself to find forgiveness in my wife, yet not forget. Several years past and my boy grew to look more and more like me. I loved my son dearly.. yet I still could not shake the feeling. It haunted me always… it was during these early years of the princes life that began looking into the faith to try and calm my mind, and to change my ways. Thus I recognized my duchy struggling to maintain piety. Checking the religion tab I found that the catholic irish traditions expected me to have several wives. It said “since marriage is a holy sanctity, several marriages must therefore be even more holy!” So I sought out others. Enter probably the most memorable character I have ever experienced in a video game to my life, the lovely and vivacious Sadb. While the other wives weren’t memorable there was special in Sadb. While not rivaling my first wife she certainly had skills to hold her own, and more importantly traits to create a kinder hearted and more chivalrous line in my family. While I fought in petty wars with my neighbors, I regretted the brutal ways of my fathers ruling and the traits I had inherited from it. I knew that to maintain peace in my lands and the lands to come, a gentler approach would be a welcome change. And Sadb was going to help me do that. More years past and though my childbearing had been so limited my son now 5-6 was growing strong… although much more like his mother than me. I worried he may be treacherous but fought to combat that by making myself his personal guardian. I had finally found peace with the idea of my main wife’s affair and moved on from it. I defended my petty kingdom through a couple of rebellions from ungrateful vassals and focused on raising my son. I was looking to the future. But just as I had all but forgotten about the queens affair… my spymaster approaches me… that bastard of a duke Robert, and my queen were caught red handed in my bed chambers. She had done it again.. and I was enraged. I would not make the same mistake twice. By ancient Gaelic law, I challenged her to hand to hand combat.. and I swiftly ended her life myself in front of the entire kingdom. In these moments I was filled with darkness. I would begin a failed scheme to murder Robert as well. The people saw me as evil, but I knew it to be just. I would no longer allow my dynasty to be riddled with wickedness. I would erase it piece by piece with my axe. The rage brought on by my queens unfaithfulness drove me near madness. My goal in life was now clear. I would reunite Ireland under 1 banner, my banner, and change the future of our kingdom or die trying. But as God would see my plight, he saw it fit to send me a blessing. For as my mission began, my new Queen Sadb would offer me a son as well. A 2nd heir. Sadb and I would fall in love and eventually become soulmates. My boys being only 6 years apart would grow up and become crucial members of my council. The wars would wage on into their early adulthoods. I played it safe, I moved slowly and meticulously. Playing on diplomacy and building my armies. I replaced abhorrent vassals with some more trustworthy. I finally began to regain control over my small territory and Sadb would offer me several daughters to build alliances. I did not know if I would ever be powerful enough to fulfill my goals but my sons would. While my 1st son born of a treacherous wife would become much like his mother, even plotting to kill his brother and being a deceitful villain, his half brother my 2nd son would be like Sadb. He carried much more chivalrous and martial traits, even to the point I was forced to make him my Martial and commander. He was the greatest warrior in my kingdom. And yet life again would test me… for just as our small kingdom began to flourish and the time for conquest drew near… Queen Sadb died at age 40 during childbirth leaving behind our final daughter, I would justly name Gift of Sadb. I would marry off all of my daughters for alliances or to gain powerful knights in my court. But not Gift of Sadb. She was my light, and I would not share her until the perfect partner stepped forth, if ever at all. This was the first time I can ever remember that a game actually made me sad. I was heartbroken in real life. I became enraged… the time was now. I immediately set out on a vicious conquest, leaving a brutal bloodbath in my wake. For 20 years I would wage war on every ruler in Ireland not under my banner, and force them to join me by either will or death. Until I conquered Ireland and created the kingdom it always should have been in my family’s name. And as the war wrapped up and I was crowned high King I thought my troubles were over. But wickedness had returned to my court in a way I had never expected. Within the last several years of the war, I lost several courtiers, a vassal or two, and even my own newborn son to the hands of a nasty serial killer. They would leave their bodies splayed out on the ground, bleeding them out with a large knife. I schemed for years to find the killer but all of my attempts would fail. I knew my 1st son was wicked as his mother was, I knew he was a broken soul… but this? Surely he couldn’t. But I remember… I remember 20 years earlier uncovering his attempt to kill his own brother. I knew what had to be done. I had held on to this anxiousness for almost 40 years. It was time to remove him from the line… his brother, not him would be king. So I disinherited him of all his rights. And told him he would fight as one of my knights until the end of his days, unless I uncover that he is in fact the killer who has been plaguing my court for years… the very next day he was found, murdered by the killer. The 2nd of my sons to be stabbed to death in less than a year. Only this time the killer was suspected, and brought forth to my attention. Finally I had a name… so I approached the killer directly and she smiled evil into my soul… at last I knew who could commit such vile acts against my own family… my sacred daughter, the Princess Gift of Sadb. This was one of the few times I can ever remember in life a game left me absolutely speechless. I teared up. And in that exact moment I knew.. exactly what Crusader Kings was all about, and why this game is special.
sounds like quite an adventure
@@LordForwind don’t blame you if you didn’t read all that xD it was though!
I did read through it, but breaks would have helped!
@@LordForwind 😅 good point
it was deep bro
I miss the op Islamic succession law. Where is my line of continuously genius rulers!
Yeah it was really strong
The only way I've found a way around this so far is to marry my main character to someone who is infertile, just staying with one, maybe two kids in till i can reform the laws.
Yep it's just tricky to pull off and is risky if the heirs die
I haven't played western civs yet but I know in the eastern/tribal civs you can just disinherit your heirs. Its a -20 relation with only them. After the first couple civil wars over one brother declaring war over another its been my go to strat, founded the Mongol Empire in 950 that way. Hopefully it works in feudal societies :>
This is why Byzantine Empire is OP as it starts with Primogeniture in 867AD lol
YEP
ALL HAIL ROMA
Everyone in Europe had Primogeniture during that time. Paradox are just retarded. My homeland had this even during 681...
And you can get this only during the Late Medieval Period? Lmao. Okay. So much about authentic experience. It adds nothing to the game, only makes it worse.
Thanks a lot, first time playing CK3 I understand most things except the succession, always ended up restarting, at least now I can keep up till I get Primogeniture, or maybe an update to get it sooner.
Succession is the hardest part of the game
And it’s harder in CK3 than it was in CK2, because (with a few exceptions) you can’t rush to Primogeniture. In fact, if the do nerf the rapid expansion ability (which I think is currently way too easy), I can see everyone complaining about succession even more.
Just embrace the succession laws. You can always fabricate claims on your previous counties if you really need that holding back. Also building a second barony in your main county can help, since you'll always inherit it.
A good way to make sure that your children have secrets that you can use against them to revoke titles is to start a witch coven and indoctrinate all your children into being witches. So then your heir can out them for being witches, steal all their titles and righteously imprison them.
Huh cool but I have no idea how to do that
@@LordForwind if you discover somebody with a witch secret you get the option to become one. Then you need to have a family with 4+ members and with at least 60% of them being witch's in order to form a coven (you can convert people who like you to witchcraft using a scheme). Any witch's in a coven will automatically convert any wards into witch's.
Edit: I think you can also become a witch from one of the hunting events. As well as a random event where you just meet a witch living in your lands.
If you fabricate a claim to a title you can revoke it without the tyranny penalty (with crown authority of 2 or higher). The hooks will still help increase your probability of them agreeing, but avoiding the tyranny penalty is nice too.
yeah that does help if you have the time to do both!
Thanks man, good video. Feels bad when I have to wait 100 years at least just to get decent succession laws.
Yeah its annoying to have something age locked, one of my least favorite changes for sure
it's just trying to keep players from steamrolling the game in a short amount of time and stay relatively historical since primogeniture didn't really exist as a succession law in real life until around the 1200s at the earliest. Europe was pretty fractured during the medieval era.
These guides on succession and titles have been (by far) the best i've seen so far for CK3. Thank you. I've been playing in the Ghana and Mali area; so this was even more relevant for me. This helped a ton.
Glad to hear it
This is exactly why I came to this video. I realized I really messed up my succession while failing to make the Empire of Mali. Once my guy dies, that goal will be set back decades. My sons are older too, so the chance of winning the wars and then living long enough to get the empire title are slim.
I didn't focus on intrigue much so it looks like disinheritance and revoking titles may be what I have to do and hope i learn my lesson.
My way of dealing with it is to embrace the fact I'm going to lose my holdings to sons and just have 17 kids. Then just go down the "keeping the realm together" branch of your lifestyle first so you won't die haha. Administrator for stewards, befriending people for diplo, dread for intrigue etc.
yep thats the strat
Once I get my succession at a point I'm happy with my wife pops out another boy. I have so many sons lol. Already lost some to battles but might have to start some wars once the rest are grown up to thin out the herd. I just realized I might be able to found Britannia so I'll look into that. Might make things a bit better.
Or disinherit some?
Divorce your wife, marry someone sterile...
THIS VIDEO IS REALLY GOOD! I am not sure if you wrote a script for this but that would help the quality, and edit so your guide can be more cohesive. At some points it seemed like you were forgetting what you were speaking about.
I did at one point, someone was gesturing for my attention through a window. I probably should work on a script for future stuff.
@@LordForwind Yeah I thought the same. With a script it would be very good
IMO disinheriting is the best option. You just need a little bit of prestige and renown and you can always keep your nation stable. Yes you don’t get the bonuses from renown but hey just get them later when you have an empire title and your succession is finally stable ;)
yeah until you get 15 children and run out of renown. There are downsides to every strat
Lord Forwind true True but if that were to happen with 15 kids you really need the hell of a wife ! xD besides you not always get sons, sometimes you get daughters and as longs as you have only 1 son that isn’t disinherited everything is fine
@@LordForwind You can always simply murder the extra sons. Or ward them off to hostile powers in hopes they do it for you. I haven't tried it yet, but I wonder what would happen if you gave your kid as ward to a character with a disease like leprosy or consumption.
If they make it out of childhood, send them off on losing battles until they die. My current playthrough, I'm allied and heavily intermarried with a large country's ruling family... whose emperor can't keep his sons alive long enough to get grandchildren out of them. B) At some point, his country is going to end up mine, especially if I off the daughters I didn't get to marry into my family.
@@Overquoted Having your less martial sons who you don't want as heirs made knights and sent to battle seemed to be effective as well
Good vid. Very helpful thanks lad!!
Glad it helped
Damn 130 hours in and I didn't actually know where the succession laws were... Thank you. Would have helped before my character died and the kingdom was split between 13 children...
Yeah they are a bit hidden
The first and second video in this series are private. Id enjoy watching them so I figured id let you know
They are still to be released today and tomorrow
Well i have a few tips myself. If you are a catholic you can send your kids into monastery or a holy order. By joining it they lose all they claims. Most interesting thing is they will return to your court so you can appoint them as physicians or marshals/knights.
good point!
This is highly unreliable strategy. What i often find is, my heir's having traits that make them very reluctant or impossible to convince to take the vows. Ambitious being one of them. Also, your primary heir is near impossible to be forced into doing that because he has the ''primary heir claim'' that gives like 150 reluctance from a get go.
I found in one game that my primary heir was complete garbage and my second son grew up to be mega chad so really... only way of getting rid of my first son was some kind of ''accident''! What i ended up doing was fabricating hook on him, exposing it, imprisoning him, torturing him and throwing him into dungeon where he eventually died.
Truthfully Confederate Partition is CK2's Elective Gavelkind without the election part while Partition is traditional CK gavelkind.
Yep basically
Awesome video! Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Ugh! I hope I can figure out how to save my kingdom! Hoping your video helps. I keep starting 867 and I’m trying to save pict land. I take over Scotland -Iceland cause it’s harder to beat ivar and wales-Britain. Establish pict land and then when my main character dies my kingdom always split. I was king of Scotland last night. Then when I died someone rose up and claimed theyre the true king then destroyed me. My problem is understand succession and warfare. I don’t under stand how with my army of 2k someone with 1k was out seiging me.. they would conquer my territory in half the time with half the army I don’t understand. I almost feel like only having one heir and killing all the rest so he inherits everything
Siege depends on martial skill but mainly seige weapons. Try going down the left military focus tree. It has a massive siege bonus in there. Most major vikings have it at start.
Playing Picts is tricky. Best bet is to try to holdout for two generations before pushing against Vikings. Don't worry too much about losing the throne early, you can get it back. Focus on building up your capital and getting men at arms going.
Use disinheritance or kill off heirs.
It takes multiple generations to get hereditary rule. So you have to survive several successions prior.
yeah it can be rough
Well in my Magyar tribes campaign I was playing as Almos and my son Arpad had 3 children in the beginning and later he had 13 children so what I did to tackle this situation was to conquer all Hungary de jure titles as Arpad and granted every duchy to my sons and disinherited my 2 sons with this I saved my titles and then later I married my heir with a 40 year old lady with that he only had 2 sons and when Arpad died I disinherited my first born because my 2nd born had a genius trait
Nicely done
I just did something so shady to retain 2 kingdoms.
I arrested my 2nd eldest child (my daughter,) tried committing suicide, (which I failed,) so I lived out the rest of my 2 years arresting all of my vassals.
Once my heir took the reins... I executed my sister and took over her title via succession. Then I revoked as many vassal titles as I wanted and rebuilt my kingdom.
My character is now 40 and I have 9 kingdoms (30k Troops.) That’s why I’m here... I think I’ll try to destroy the kingdom titles (all except 1,) and pass any holdings that are up for grabs to trust worthy unlanded vassals... they should pledge their liege to the top kingdom...
And in turn... I’ll retain most of my land. If not... I think I’ll arrest any opposition to succession.
Very suspicious and smart
@@LordForwind thanks! I have 3k fame!!! It only cost 800 to destroy titles! I have a plan! I freaking love this game.
Jesus man you're a lifesaver. I asked about this in your other succession movie but got it answered here when I found your channel. Love you for this!
SO let me ask for clarification: The more territories you have (outside the capital duchy) the less the chance of your brothers inheriting stuff inside the duchy. Why is that?
Seciond question: By this logic, having a cohesive amount of holdings in a consolidated area means EVERY SINGLE ruler you ever own is required to go at least 1 perk into Intrigue? Preferably the first level for maximum speed...?
Final question: Most likely, most of the time, you HAVE to revoke titles every single time a ruler dies if you want to maintain this cohesion. This is expected, yes?
1 because the game tries to pass on duchies intact. I assume this is to simulate that a duke would have more claim on his de jure lands than landholders outside of it.
2 Basically or use the spymaster or disinherit the other heirs before they get land
3 Yeah until you get high partition or primogeniture. Keeping the power base intact is a big struggle in game until then
The people in southern France have the ability to get high partition early so at first i made sure to give my sons the land i conquered so they had the same amount as the heir. Then i changed my two duchies to elective while the kingdom stays at partition law, the few counts that can vote in the duchy election can never beat me so my heir gets all my lands. I dont know if this will get patched but for now this method makes the only land available to my other sons the kingdom capital which always goes to the heir. The only down side is that i can only have one kingdom title.
Yeah its tricky which is I didn't explain it here, most people don't want to use elective to trick the game
My problem is after succession i get a big chunk of land which is cool but somehow i start losing land to the brothers while we are in an alliance. They can attack me but i am not allowed to defend
You always can defend in a war. Something else must be happening. Also allying the brothers isn't a good idea it's usually better to attack immediately after succession to regain the lands.
I believe that vassals in jail will never deny a revoke title demand
very rarely, plus you need at least a lvl 2 authority for the realm
Well if you only focus on military buildings in your capital it will give you more men, yes, but if you build and upgrade gold generating buildings you can quickly gather enough money for mercenaries, so it works both ways, i prefer mercenaries since they dont cost any upkeep now, i dont know why, feels like they are way too easy to get now.
they are easy to get now, but the levies make factions less likely to get the needed military strength to revolt, plus I have had several wars where no mercs were available. they were all hired out already!
Dude your Spymaster is so terrible, I bet he doesn't even know his own secrets.
Great video btw, I'm finding these very helpful.
Glad you like them! Yeah he was pretty bad, more political appointee than anything
Don't your vassals hate you for holding 7 domains? My vassals started to revolt on me when I had only 3 domains in my Ireland game.
nope, its all about the domain limit, although it could be due to duchies? if you own more than 2, they really hate it
What I do is rush elective succession laws (like Tanistry). Before my character kicks it, I vote for a non-heir then give all titles I can to my preferred heir. THEN, I cast my votes for my actual heir. When my character dies, my heir will get almost all of my titles.
Clever
YEAAAAH, thanks Lord !!!
You're welcome!
Yes, but when I want to give out land to my daughters husband and my most powerful knight, how can I keep their loyalty upon succession. I can deal with my sons, its is my vassals that threaten my stability.
Yeah ck3 is hard that way, I particularly dont like it, your best bet is to save money and bribe people using the Diplo trees and gifts
I just disinherit every son save for one, and he inherits everything. costs prestige and a bit of renown, but its worth it to keep everything together
If you have the renown for this strat. it can work but renown is hard to get and the new nerfs make it even harder now
the prestige and dynasty hit from disinheriting is pretty steep though. I've taken to murdering any sons that stand to get a new title and split my realm...using bribes or hooks to get agents and ensure the 95% success rate. Of course this can get very messy as you have to murder any grandkids through them as well ;) But when you have like 5 sons who is going to miss that 5th family branch, hah! ;)
3:11 I forgive you, this is good stuff
Thanks
Please keep doing these
Thats the plan, hopefully another one tomorrow!
@@LordForwind haven't played CK before and picked up CK3. I'm enjoying it but don't know how to achieve the goals I set. These help me understand what steps to take to get there!
Keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
If you start as a Duchy, it's relatively simple early game.
Race to 1 kingdom and hope to god that your firstborn is decent, The problem I tend to have it the second phase going from Kingdom to Empire, the 80 holdings is a killer and money if you're not paying attention.
Empire rank is rough
do you hope they add a dlc just for fun kinda like sunset invasion
It definitely needs a wider variety of events. Been seeing a lot of the same ones for awhile now, 35 hours in. In a long sandbox game like this, variety is a valuable aspect.
Wouldn't be surprised if they did one largely for that purpose since the same event-focused DLC in CK2 was one of the most popular, of not THE most popular DLCs for it.
I'm sure such a DLC would also include some more scheme and hook options which would also be very welcome.
I wasn't a fan of Sunset Invasion. Turned it off completely a short time after getting it. Isn't there a mod in the Mod Workshop for it already?
I suspect something like that, glitterhoof hasn't appeared yet
Lord Forwind that a reddit reference?
kind of I guess, he was in CK2 so I figure with his popularity, he makes it into the new game
I rush learning. Get the Restraint perk. Don't land my heir or arrange a marriage for them unless I know they can't have children. I'm basically China with the one child policy lol
That's a good idea until that heir dies on a random event when your ruler is 60+.
I always save prestige so I can disinhirit all my sons that aren't my heir before I die.
The issue is you lose plenty of renown and have to be able to afford it all, saving up is great but you should be using the presitge for stuff
Idk what to do for this I have one son and two daughters with a male preference partition succession. So I was thinking of marrying my son to my eldest daughter ( I know incest) and marrying my youngest daughter to another realm. Would that negate the partition?
The son should get all of it before the daughters, check to see the inheritance before you do that
Essex, it's pronounced Essex. Seax is pronounced sayx. How you say say but with a [ks] sound. But for the modern tongue sex is apt.
cool
Have you played around with making titles elective? At the moment I'm staying as a duke till I have normal Partition but am wondering if making any extra land or even all land elective would be effective. Also wondering what happens to counties under duchies with an elective system, or if you can stack an election so one guy gets absolutely all your stuff on death. Great vid, liked and subbed!
A bit but if you get one bad heir things fall apart fast
election is easier to manage than confederate partion as you can always murder unwanted candidate and frabricate hook on high voters (use intrigue tree) or get the +100% opinion gift (Thoughtful from Diplomacy), steward Golden Obligations + intrigue tree is op as you combo hooks and $$$$
Disinherit your less skilled heirs with some cost of renown points.Just leave one of your best skilled heir. You can keep expanding with this method.
Not a good plan, this method only works if you have renown, and prestige to spare, plus to have to stay head of the family for the whole game, which is hard to do.
@@LordForwind If you got the renown and prestige, one could cheese it somewhat. Let your character die, then reload and disinherit because you know he'll die soon, even if not at the exact same time. Ofc there are different reasons to die, but it should be of old age haha.
@@Grivehn can't reload on ironman mode which is what most people play on and it still costs renown which is better spent on legacies
Hey I'm new to the game and I'm wondering, why not just disinherit the heirs you don't want to receive anything? Does that work, or does it just make them not the main heir? Or do they try to come for the land later with claims?
First off, it takes both renown which is hard to get and prestige. It does work but many people dont want to play that way, which is why I made this guide. Those heirs do get claims and can come back.
@@LordForwind ok cool thanks! nice vid
np, feel free to ask any questions
I'm confused. Say I revoke/murder inherit the title, won't I lose it again after inheritance? So I'll have to do repeat the whole process over again?
Yep
It is possible to get rid of tyranny penalty using your bishop to fabricate a claim on title you want to revoke.
yep you can
And not having 4 wives and 15 children could help too *cough*
probably
Could you add the 'parts' feature to this video?
whats that?
Is there a way to modify feudal contract again after "obligation has been changed"?
Sry for out of topic here but I cant find solution anywhere.
Next ruler can modify it further
Man I started as rurik and with my son I subjugated the khazar empire so now every one to two generations the Russian empire goes to war to retake the khazar throne.
That's ck3 for you! Fun isn't it!
is your king Nicholas Cage?
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@@LordForwind I might be crazy but your king really looks like Nick Cage xD
huh never thought of that
i just make sure i get the celibacy perk and then have 1-2 sons and if both sons survive i disinherit one
That does work so long as you are the head of the dynasty but eventually you will likely lose that title
How to destroy existing duchy title?
Depends on your laws, you can't destroy titles under gavelkind, otherwise click on the shield and hit the destroy button I believe
Lustful viking 😟 my people look at me sideways without a concubine, 8 sons... HELPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!😱😱😱😱
if you head the dynasty you could try disinheriting them?
Just give your kids each a ducky before you die because if your a duke they will each get a duchy anyone that way you can give them which one your want. If you do that it counts as there inheritance. Yes you will lose land but they will be your vassal and still make money there no way in Confederate to have your heir hold everything you had it's impossible but you can make sure he gets the strongest stuff by only building like he said in the lands your heir will inherit that will gurantee he stronger. The duchy you give them counts as there inheritance upon your death so as long as they have equal land to your heir they will be your vassal and stay in your heir control.Think I explain that right. But guys remeber there is no way during Confederate to keep all so dont conquer to much during that time form alliances to keep your safe until late then expand. I am new also and just learning this but I think I understand now. But also there no telling how many kids your gonna have so just dont expand to fast
Mostly right
@@LordForwind it is easier to manage election in tribal era than confederate partition law, which is the worst succession law in game
Bro I'm play as queen of wales I have no hier in my dystany character age 50+ but I have seductress trait is it possible have children! ? Or what should I need to do caary my game
it is possible but hard to do, do you have any other dynasty members or is she the only one?
@@LordForwind I have sir thanks for replt
I think the best way to avoid splitting everything is after you have your first male heir you go celibate. Which is why I end up going learning focus exclusively till I get primogeniture since learning focus also means you get cultural fascination quicker
That is one strat but then you risk game over more than usual
What if your first male heir dies? I think having two heirs (male or female) and then going celibate might better, to lower the chances of the RIP run.
Even easier to do as pagans - take a concubine to produce an heir then set them aside immediately. Do that when you're like 30 so that when you die at 50-60 your heir will be of good age to repeat the trick. (You don't want a boy inheriting. And if the heir is too old then his own heir might be a boy when inheriting.)
Or just seduce for a bunch of bastards, then legitimize as needed.
It's honestly not very interesting though.
when you have your vassal in prison, you can revoke their titles with 100% success chance
yep but only one usually and sometime they will actually refuse
@@LordForwind use intrigue tree to lock them
If you give title before the succession, yours sons will have others titles when you die?
if Im correct at understanding you, yes but you can only give inheritable titles to heirs so giving lots of land to your direct heir is tricky
Why would you even keep two of the highest type titles? Just keep 1 kingdom and all your secondary heirs will be your subjects...
that was my point about destroying the title once I got normal partition
I guess you could take a few levels in learning for the celibacy decision
This way you can have 1 or 2 sons and take vows. This might be risky if both die though so you'll need to be extra careful not to let them join your armies etc when you're old.
In general fertility can bring more issues than solve, but it can bump your renown gain immensely the longer the game goes.
Also with the lifestyle tree it's better to be a jack of all trades rather than go for end of tree perks, as having for example the ability to demand payment for hooks from stewardship and hook fabrication from intrigue can be great money making for a poor african count. Joining an empire, getting hooks on every vassal and then fabricating for the empire title is a super easy way to take the whole thing for yourself with very little bloodshed involved.
Declaring war for something and then abducting the enemy leader after fabricating/finding secrets in his entire court is also broken and basically removes the combat aspect of the game provided you synchronize the events properly, this game really needs some balance patches, intrigue is OP and I wouldn't be surprised if they reworked it entirely.
Yeah I mention that in my intrigue guide
I've just been disinheriting ppl and or going celibate after I have a male heir and then reinstating all siblings whenever a succession happens.
that would do it
How do you reinstate them after disinheriting them?
What if you heir to your main title is a bastard son? When I die, I will play as my legit son but he is not my main heir.
Hmm odd is he of your dynasty, also you could just disinherit him
You should probably mention disinheriting as a way to keep your titles less fractured. It's a non-tyrannical way that is only slightly risky, but nearly required when you have too many kids.
only works if you head your dynasty which is why I didnt cover it
Destroy kingdom title does nothing, because the damn game create the title again on succession. If you start as tribal it's even worse. Because the transition from tribal to Feudal knee cap you totally in regard of income, levies and units possible. And as you need to reform religion to even be able to go feudal, it's a good chance you end up with someone call a holly war at you every other year :/
Um it does if you swap succession laws so they don't create new titles at death
@@LordForwind If you play as norse you are kind of screwed with several hundred years of gavelkind before you can even start sniff at change the laws that give any meaningful value, at least if you start out with the earliest start.
the norse due have a unique succession law that is better in some ways than normal gavelkind
Are you able to reform Catholicism to allow for polygamy?
Maybe but it takes a fair amount of piety to do so, and early on getting free cash from the pope really helps
@@LordForwind The game is 40 quid but it looks like a lot of fun - considering whether or not to buy. I didn't like CKII
wait a bit more until they patch it more and add some more content then
@@LordForwind Will a Petty Kingdom title holder leave my Kingdom once the current king dies? I'm confused as to why its still a Petty kingdom title when it seems to me it should be a duchy title as its a part of a kingdom. I'm playing the tutorial as Munster and have now formed Ireland put there the Petty Kingdom of Conncaht is not going to go to my heir.
no they wont leave, the name is due to your tribal government. The title should go to your other heirs!
You did't explain what lion's share means in High Partition.
Mainly because the rules aren't really clear, but you get more than half of the titles off hand
First get learning education and train your heir in it too. Next beeline for celibacy trait. Become celibate after having one heir. Done.
Until your heir dies at the age of 30 with no heir and your guy is 70...
Brittania should act as an empire tier title. Someone getting a kingdom should not cause a realm split
Britannia is a empire rank, I just named my kingdom britannia as well
Looking at the comments, I feel like Im the only one who fights massive wars after sucession, using an alliance + large mercenary armies to choke my vassals back into submission and reunite the realm
That's the way the game is meant to be played
Bad ideas if you destroy a kingdom it gets autocreatez
Depends on the laws and lands owned. If you own less than the needed amount to form it or you have advanced gavelkind, you're good.
Is there a historical reason for such a shitty mechanic? Is this how things had to be done back then? Its dumb and annoying unless there was a specific reason
It's the ways things were done. The germanic tribes believed in liberty and fairness and many succession laws were based on their practices
@@LordForwind ah. Thank you!