3.24 Is Going To Be Interesting...
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Star Citizen 3.24 has hit Evocati! In this one I go through my first impressions and give some insight into the patch!
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Cig: "hey guys, you know how we have barely any game loops and tons of bugs and laggy servers, well, we just made the most boring bit take a lot longer, cool ay?.....guys?......"
I do wonder if bed logging in your hangar means you also spawn in your bed and in your hangar. That, technically, would speed things up from logging in.
CIG addressed this and said this won’t work.
No they answered this very question in a Q&A and stated that you will spawn in your hab.
Very annoying to always have to travel from the habs to the spaceport. Would be nice to just have a bed in the hangar, at least in a ship in a hangar
@@AW-po7jrwell there are spaceports right now that’s pretty close. Not relevant to utilizing a hangar next patch but yeah. My friend and I transferred our prints to the station and it’s significantly easier to get into space.
Of course not, that would be a quality of life feature that would speed things up.
Great summary and really nice job on the editing. Bringing in existing video footage to show what you are talking about was a really nice touch. Well done!
Totally agree. something I wish boredgamer would do more
Thanks!
I think there is a difference between a lack of polish and a missing search function
If this was real life and you went to your hangar, selected a ship you wanted to fly and the hangar fetched the ship from your arsenal, got it on to the ramp and brought it up ready for you in 1 minute - you'd be mega impressed lol Thanks for the video - looks really interesting!
Ha, I was thinking the same thing. It takes like 10 minutes just to get a plane in proper position and taxi'd on the highway once it starts moving.
If this was real life I wouldn't die of thirst in three hours though.
@@Billy-bc8pkand noone likes that wait. Why would you put that in a game
@@Ogata123 You still have to wait for refinery requests -- plenty of games have downtime moments. The whole point is to mix up the gameplay so people stay active doing other things.
There does need to be balance from real to game. One minute seems really decent to me.
If the elevator moved any faster, we would be claiming to slow it down, it doesn't look right.
Great, more waiting. As if progression wasn't slow enough already. The "realism" is getting too much in the way of the actual fucking game. You get paid fuck all for anything, and everything costs too much as it is.
As this was your first evo experience, I hope it didn't scare you away. And welcome :)
Also to add that the New Babbage freight elevator had a sign on the wall indicating that limit was 896 SCU, not 120 SCU.
I guess it depends on the size of the hangar
@@Silverhawk-u2f That didn't even occur to me. I'll ask for clarification at the ETF forum after work.
Personally, I was more concerned about the A18 ASOP terminal, showing the "SNOWMIND's LARGE" message on screen, when I asked for a ship delivery! Not bragging but facts are facts, right CIG?
Thanks for the welcome! And yeah, different sized hangars seem to have different SCU capacities for the freight elevators.
3.24 upgrade is a transition update before 4. Getting it stable will be key.
The big question, is it fun? If it's fun to move and sort the boxes then people will get used to the new flow pretty quick. Seeing your aUEC fill up slower due to time sinks won't make as much a difference if you enjoyed the process.
If that was the only thing that was slow, you'd probably be right. However, Star Citizen is already asking for a lot of patience of the player. You're already waiting for elevators, trains, claiming times and many more things. The whole cargo gameplay as of 3.24 probably isn't fun enough to compensate for the game being even slower. So if you end up having poor aUEC rewards for trading/cargo hauling, you may just end up pushing players towards other professions.
@@aitvaras5271 Yeah I think you are spot on there, It may be easier and more fun just to be a Merc, bounty Hunter or explorer.
Exactly. If it's fun, then ok. If if sucks, then it needs to change.
It was never going to be fun...
Unless youre some sort of warehouse employee Larper.
Moving cargo indivudually by hand:
"Realistic" : yes
Immersive: yes
Fun: probably not after the 5th time.
@@1aatlas Let's say you're at an outpost, loading up some cargo. If it's not instant, there's a much bigger chance that you'll interact with other players, such as pirates.
That could be fun and it could give players a reason to hire a bodyguard. However, that only works if the aUEC rewards allow you to afford such expenditures.
I really don’t want to be hyperbolic; but I’m about done with star citizen.
They continue to push this in the direction of a stupid truck driver simulator and this isn’t what anyone wants. We don’t wanna play house for 4 hrs we want to fly, fight, explore and make adventures.
We want a dynamic mission system.
We want player bounties .
We want a more immersive and real commerce system with supply and demand driven pricing
Why the hell are they adding steps just to put on your clothes ? I mean it’s the same thing. You just have to do it twice now ???
Jesus
Seems to me that the game fav who exactly?
From my perspective the majority has work, kids , irl shts to do and still want to have a good run in a space game.
Space trucker or not or wahtever you like to do, the waste time is crazy!
I play starcitizen to fly the darn ships , fps stuff and I do love the cargo, but after a day of work to come home and wait hours for the sake of realism, hell no.
I don't want a second virtual job.
So in order to make progress in cargo u need to be lifeless and mive boxes from a to b?
Why not exclude the quantum drive? Maybe we can go from Brezek to Lorvile in a life time.
Easily they can make an option for the player to chose , some want to get old in order to fill a C2, some want in aprox 5 h daily play to do cargo, kill stuff, delivery, whatever.
So from me a drop in the ocean this seems to me resources alocated wrong, like what colour to make the handle instead of making the door open.
Anyway see you in the verse how it last.
Why more clumsy than it's already is? Now instead of hitting a key to equip weapon or armor x I have to go to a kiosk and get the old equip screen? Just why? This game is getting more stupid from every patch.
Bro I'm not waiting an hour to load at pickers field ...... I'll just play a different game
I understand realism.... But is this taking it too far?
Also, is some of this just extra steps for... What?
I think they need to gamify the cargo system a bit, its too slow and a little boring once you've done it a couple of times. After every other bit that has realism over everything else, it could be up to an hour before ive properly got into the game and on my way.
CIG wasting our time. It is one constant in this game.
Over 1 minute for the damn elevator now?! Wtf is wrong with CIG and their elevator fetish??
Bro are we fucking playing Life 2? WTF. The game is already too slow..
Thanks! It’s great that you can talk about Evocati.
by the time your ready i sure one all the bugs we had forever will kill you and then you get waste another hour and hell i have kids and grand kid on they way ,this game has made time the slowest thing ever to play and die to some dumb bug
Ah yes, more timers, the one thing that is NON GAMEPLAY CIG PLS
lol you use the kiosk and then it just brings up the old inventory screen once you select something? Wow very low effort CIG. I think they honestly didn’t try for that one.
I for my part won't waste hours and hours on loading and unloading stupid boxes just to lose everything to bugs, crashes or pirates.
Just came home from working at the docks? "Oh boy, I can't wait to manually carry some random virtual goods into my 500$ spaceship until midnight."
However, the whole cargo loading chores will make trading and cargo running so unattractive, that it may actually blow up prices (IF we will ever have a working economy) and pay out to eventually volunteer for it.
There are plenty of game loops for different kinds of players. EuroTruck Sim fans will absolutely eat up these cargo changes as this is something that many have been waiting for.
I agree with you both…I think this change may also end up affecting other loops as well. Like mining once the refinement process is completed. The refined good will probably also have to be loaded and unload to sell? If so, this is seriously going to slow things down drastically.
I don't get it. The item banks are everywhere, so does it materialise your objects like star trek?, does that use resources or literally from nothing? Is there any lore explanation for this? It kind of reeks a little of beams and space magic. I'm not convinced yet.
Yeah that 's a good point, it does seem strange that all of your items can just move around magically!
An hour to load a Freelancer?! Ho-ly cow! I wouldn't have thought it would be more than 30 minutes tops for a ship that size. 1 person could hurl boxes onto a Freelancer in under 10 minutes. I get it, CIG want to push people to do it themselves but an hour seems a bit tooooo long. What would a C2 be then...5=6hrs? A Hull-C just an all day load-fest? lol.
I'm a certified cargo sweat and I would rather they just put a terminal in the game where I can buy and, using the same terminal, sell at a different location.
Thanks to all of the EVOS out there. Keep reporting all you can and adding suggestions. The fine tuning will happen. BTW, getting personal hangers back, especially in the PU IS the most significant thing to happen in a very long while.
When "immersion" in a game becomes so realistic that it becomes tedious, then that game is on its way to failing as a fun or challenging experience - and probably failing in general.
In addition to all the normal griping about the bugs, I'm seeing more and more complaining lately about CIG's design choices ramping up the tedium and taking the fun out of the game. That wasn't the case even a few months ago.
This project was already full of huge time sinks, and most people are only going to have an hour or two on a workday or a few hours on a day off to play. If they can't get going quickly in the game and have some fun - they're going to find a game that offers that.
Nobody gets into a game to take on a second job.
I've had issues with many of the design choices all along, which I suppose is natural, but CIG does not respect their player's time at all.
For the first time in the four years that I've been playing this game I am getting really concerned with its long-term viability; not because of the tech issues, but because of the design choices.
Those loading times for cargo stinks to high heaven.
The game is so damn slow already. Combat is slow, AI is slow, gearing up is slow, transit system is slow, QT is slow.
Everything is so god damn slow and it’s getting worse every single patch.
Thanks £10.42 that timer ouch 1 hour to wait for the system loading . people will never do that so if it takes a long time self loading people will just skip that part of the game.
I was ok of unloading the Vulture and filling the grid but a c2 a Faterpillar well take ages could even be more time than some people get to play LOL .
the next part " get your friends to load as its multiplayer game " there are more solo players in SC than multiplayers
3.23 shouldve be interesting. Thats what they always do. Hype, fail, wait for years ^^. There will be no 4.0 this year, be sure about that.
They are screwing up the game with this hurry up and wait crap. I'm here to play a fun game. Not have a second job. And standing around waiting
Idk.. seems to me they are making more manual work to keep you busy because they cant make dinamic missions like other mmo games where it focuses on fast item management to keep you going in the missions as fast as you can. This will get old soon. People want missions this wasting 1-2 hours moving boxes atound will get boring real fast for alot of people.
Do you think this update will respect players time? thanks for the work!
I mean slower is not bad, but in my opionen the trams are not respectking players time.
Everything ive heard about it has said it slows things down. The game is already painfully tedious and a time waster… why would you slow down tedium and waste more time in non-gameplay
im so happy 3.24 is FINALLY released TM...another great clear video...thanks!
Thank you!
Did you know that if the drawer is open with an item in and the server crashes......yup item goes poof, never to be seen or recovered.
How is something like search not minimum viable product for these kinds of inv screens 😑
Ah yes just what we needed! More prep time..
Yes 1 minute to get your ship what will you do.....
You ever play SC bruh? 1 minute 😂
Imagine 1.0 release. 10 systems to explore, hundreds of available ships, and cleared back log. An Unuverse of possibilities for gameplay. But it will take 30 minutes to leave the landinzg zone fully preapered.
@@igorpniak8308 Then you fly out the hanger and your ship blows up. Then it's an hour of warehouse simulator before you can even go outside.
@@loneventhorizon Just as Chris Roberts intended
It's a bit fiddly? well, who'd have thought it from CiG! xD
I have 3 words that start with T and describe SC
Tedium Timesink Trash 😂
I'm just strapped to a hopium/copium tank just taking big ol breaths!
Crashes tend to go along with avocado builds about as well as they do in demolition derby matches. The trick is finding ways to lol at them when they happen.
Waiting for an hour for cargo to he loaded in game is my idea of watching paint dry. This is NOT fun game play. Sometimes you dont want the real world copied exactly!
Hmm, they should add an option on the cargo loading screen to select what kind of cargo boxes should be used and that would impact the timer.
That may likely come in a later iteration. Depends on how quickly they want to get 3.24 out.
I forgot to mention that, you can select what size boxes you want when you buy!
Thanks for the sneak peak. The item kiosk thing is ridiculous they could simply implement inventory into the mobiglass and eliminate all the ugly terminals. Honestly, I feel like this alpha constantly takes one step forward and two steps back.
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ASUS TUF Gaming A15
Ryzen 9-7940HS
16GB RAM/DDR5 (4800)
RTX 4070 (8GB)
1TB SSD
Thank you 👍🏽
Yeah that looks pretty good!
The only thing to think about would be the ram- SC will run on 16gb (you will manually need to increase the size of your page file), but things will be better with 32gb. So when spending as much as this laptop would cost, I'd either look for an option with 32gb, or id consider buying 32gb and installing it myself. 4800 mhz also isn't the quickest and will impact performance.
Otherwise the 4070 will be plenty (and you've now got dlss in game to help out with graphics load), and the 7940hs will likely be the main bottleneck in places like the cities, but it's about as fast as you can get CPU wise!
Tdlr: good specs, I'd think about swapping out the ram!
This is an ESSENTIAL step imho. SC without physicalized cargo is just a prety yet mediocre space truck simulator blended wit ha pretty yet mediocre arcade space fight simulator.
This is what makes it feel more real than other games. And this + meshing are the pieces to move forward into becoming a unique MMO experience.
Great vid, thanks for the info.
Im a little confused, So can we now take cargo from our hold, RMC, slam etc and store it in station inventory or is it only store bought cargo that will appear in station inventory?
The scenario im imagining for example is a vulture, its full, so i go back the the L1 station and drop the RMC off in local inventory and head back out to salvage. After a while of dropping off RMC i take my hauler and call out all of my stored RMC to be loaded and deliver it all to A18 all in one go..
Is this going to be possible now?
Yes, it's possible at your hangar. I just don't understand how the inventory of the other hangars work.
Should be able to manually send all of the RMC down to the station inventory through the freight elevator and the recall it when you want to haul.
@@tomsmarkovs1946 persistent hangars are the same as personal except you can't leave your stuff lying around. so for example if i want to offload my rmc at any orbital station and sell them at once using a c2 to head to hurston or whatever, i cand o that
@@mndeg Thanks, that's cool. So the elevators SCU capacity is limited, not the amount of storage, right?
CIG are going to have to balance things very carefully between ‘realism’ and ‘immersion’ and ‘tedious administrative grind just to do basics so you can get to the gameplay’. An example of this is the way the new inventory is clunky and harder to do many things at present, and you need to go to the old one to do things conveniently. The inventory system wasn’t perfect but it generally worked quite well, whereas the new one to do basics like drop things to the ground to pick up afterwards isn’t possible (or intuitive). As a first step, this is all good but an hour to load cargo ‘automatically’? Errr, okay and so what do we do in the interim.. stand around and wait? This is a game, CIG need to not lose sight of that.
I like the timer, I'll do bunker or bounties while it loads and do cargo to end the night of gaming or when buddies log off.
Curious how it works at outposts unless there's hangers there now?
Could they maybe add an option to spawn your desired ship from the ship Manager App through the mobiglas. And when you arrive at your personal hanger it would be already there. Just like in real life. Where you could use an app to get your car requested in your garage
This would be great. You can change your ship livery and components from a couch in the lobby. Why not request it arrive at your hangar as well.
@@ttownscott I think they still want some tactile interactions when it comes to player groupings. The ASOPs add a bit of opportunities for pirates -- in fact, that was how Stankrat and Summit1 managed to get most of their content, watching and sneaking onto player ships while they were at the ASOP terminals. If you remove that aspect, then a lot of players just bypass it altogether, head straight for the elevators and zoop away.
Best EVO intel so far. Keep it up mate!
Just on the point about different size SCU crates all taking the same time to load, we have been told that the intention is for larger crates to be loaded faster. Whether or not that happens by the time 3.24 goes love remains to be seen.
As a starter-ship-only backer I'm a bit salty about the hangar size being put behind a paywall, but other than that, really excited for this update.
I believe once you buy bigger ships ingame your ship hanger will change to larger size. I heard that in a sclive episode.
@@Bala2289 incorrect. They mentioned it in the patch notes that ships purchased after you have your hanger will have no effect.
Ifs based on whatever is the largest ship in your fleet. Be that paid or bought ingame.
@@Bala2289 The patch notes says "is as big as the largest ship on the player’s account (ships purchased in-game don’t increase size of personal hangar)." so I think that's just old information, unfortunately.
@@FreebirthBoccara Except they mentioned it won't update as you buy new ships. Eventually you'll be able to buy or rent more hangars, which will be how you're able to get larger hangars. Also initially the difference between personal hangars and regular hangars will be pretty minimal early on, as the benefit of personal hangars is that stuff always persists in there. Either of them will be private, have cargo and ship elevators.
I am guessing the cargo elevator scu amount is related to the size of your hanger. My cargo elevator size was 1000 scu for a 600i (that I called), but that is not my biggest ship. Currently, the Caterpillar is my biggest ship but I am waiting on a Polaris and a BMM.
Yeah sounds as though all the different sizes had different capacities!
This is going to suck, I just know it.
This non NDA but can't show anything stuff is so weird
For me it was a "trespassing fiesta". Thanks for the video :)
Ah yeah forgot to mention that!
For people who own multiple ships the ship timer thing isn't too big of an issue and for single ship owners they'll have the edge in time compared to volume.
Whats it like buying commodifies from outposts or mining facilities now? ala SMO-18 gold or 22 beryl and the like?
I didn't manage to get out far enough to check- build was pretty unstable!
This is going to suck, can’t imagine any thing less boring than stacking boxes at each end of a run. I really think they have taken the sim part too far as just looks like a time sink and not a “fun” game loop particularly after the 10th time let alone the 100th. I know you can auto load but the load times 1hr for 100scu? Does that mean 5 hrs for my c2? Talk about sucking the fun out of the game. They really need to increase commodity prices to make this remotely profitable.
Than pay people to do it. Or leave the ship unloding before loging off.
@@tomsmarkovs1946making “gameplay” where logging out and not playing the game is an attractive option is an interesting direction to take a game
If you don't like something. Say you don't like it. Then if everyone says they don't like it. It will change. If we all just go oh well, this is just how things are, we will continue to suffer.
So now you have to go through another buggy menu screen in a kiosk to access the original buggy inventory screen (That took 9 years to implement). “ YOu kNOw noTHiNg aBouT dEvELopMeNT” .This just gets funnier .
Congrats on your first Evocati Adventure!! May you have many more of them!!
So!! The basic take away from your reportage is that a game notorious for slow progress and eating your time in mundane ways just got that bit more slower!! LoL
Thanks! I'm kind of expecting CIG to tighten up some of the timings!
having the loading loop close to finished (from a timesink perspective) should at least allow them to finally balance cargo/trade profits in a meaningful way.
One question: in the video clips they non-ship-platform area looks awfully slim, like you couldn't really design those sprawling/chaotic open-door living spaces with couches, cargo laying around and tons of other stuff.
is this an optical illusion caused by the big platform or is there actually only a tiny space available?
All you star citizen RUclipsrs say the same thing, you say this patch will change everything on every patch lol. I know you’re looking for likes and hits, but my God be honest.
Anyone knows what will end up happening with big ships and hangars? like the kraken and/or Merchantman? like, will they have stupid sized hangars or will they have no hangars? if the answer is the second option, will you just default to largest hangar possible or will it give you your hangar for your "second-largest" ship? would be kinda funny having a massive ship and a tiny hangar cuz you have a capital ship and a fighter or 2, haha
Great video, with some really nice / concise evocati updates! I'm genuinely looking forward to the cargo update. I really hope I'll be able to store RMC or CM from salvaging at a lagrange station cargo elevator, then call it back out in bigger boxes to go sell.
How long does it take you to call your ship from the originally ASOP terminal and make it down into the Hangar? If it’s 30 second difference, no biggie.
Slowing things down is a much-needed thing.
As long as they have stuff to do in the mean time / pass said waiting time or other items you can do that are quicker to accomplish game play wise.
All about balance, the dead time of just waiting isn't a good thing to have in a game usually but a lot of games have it (spawn timer for bosses/mobs, loot items, etc..)
This patch will be great for piracy especially at scrap yards. You can’t just click a few buttons and offload drugs. Will add great risky gameplay
So many are excited to get this.
I like the idea.
But I don't believe many understand how much tedium is coming with it. And how it will slow us way down.
No doubt it will get balanced and polished out. But to what end, is something we need to keep realistic expectations.
Do our pledge package hangers have any function in this system? Like if I have a pledge with Revel and York will my personal hanger have the pretty white aesthetic?
"There's no search". They're gonna have this in game with no search function for over a year. Not surprising but still beggars belief.
1:10 "Open your drawer" as in, physical drawers in habs? Via a button in that kiosk interface? Some other way?
Im not a huge fan of the inventory changes. I understand it, but its really inconvenient in terms of a gameplay experience with how long stuff already takes to do in star citizen.
My largest concern is how looting will be impacted especially if you want to loot enemies for armor and weapons.
1 hour for 120 scu damn... As for the ship retrievals or manual loading I dont mind those, bedlogging has been my way to hop off mainly anyway, so personally I'll keep doing that. For cargo hauling... Prices need hiking. Doing a legal cargo run for 50k and wait 1 hour in a MAX on a safe trade route... Nope. Big nope. (Of course dunno how fast manual loading will be on the boat)
The progress on this game is so slow that sometimes I wonder if they even take it seriously. If anywhere else in the world except for RSI the people would have lost their jobs due to unproductivity
I’m looking forward to setting up different styles of hangars
I wonder if graphics got any tweeks?🤔
o7 🚀
i think they are so hell bent on making realism game they need to STOP step back and say is it fun or is this just work in a game. right now from what I am seeing here, this game will die a quick death with most just leaving when the game is boring and just standing about waiting on timers.
I can barely get in my ship/leave a platform. Haven't been able to do a quest after trying to play for a few hours every day for the past 2 weeks.
Looking forward to this patch. It’ll be nice to unload the vulture into a station and save up before flying out.
A game to chill, that was the vision. Timers are nothing. Once the servers have thousands of players we'll have to wait in line for large ammounts of time to do management in terminals.
Work in the logistics field for a few months and learn how cargo is loaded in real life and you would understand it more, it takes time to load and unload items, along with calling in vehicles, yes its a game, and yes its the first run at the evocati, as evocati, give your feed back to CIG and they will do more balancing.
Have they made any changes to the value of cargo in this update?
It felt barely worth it now. With added cost and time it needs a rebalance.
Great video ! Appreciate the info . Really curious as to what size hangers we are allocated . As i own a c2 but i ccu'ed to it so the orginal small hanger wasnt upgraded
Thanks! The freelancer max is my biggest ship and I got a small hangar- yep will be interesting to see how it pans out!
If you spent real money buying a C2 you'll be assigned to a Large hangar. If it's bought in-game you'll be assigned to the biggest ship you paid for. But your larger ships will be stored in the spaceport.
@@tenpoundfortytwoThe Freelancer is a medium ship and should receive a medium hangar if its a ship purchased in the pledge store.
cant wait looks cool. you didnt cover what mining ships would have to go through if anything. thanks
can you call ur ship, and while its coming up, summon what u want from the freight elevator?
>1min is a bit long I agree
but we can maximise the time by prepping while its coming up?
I feel for you guys who have small starters only.... cant wait to see what big hangars will be like though
i think its smart, they want you to load your own ship and not depend on the AI so much. its after all an mmo and not an SP game.
I only got to play half hour then got disconnected, then every time i tried to log in was constant 30k so went bed as it was already late (UK)
Congrats! You of all people would benefit from Evocati access. I'm certain CIG and us would benefit just as much, so win-win
Can't wait to see my 60usd pieces lvl1 wooden shack.
Nice timers, should promote teamwork and manual landing
I was hoping to nevwr see the old inventory again. Sad
Same! I wonder if this is just placeholder though.
@@tenpoundfortytwo im hoping so
CIG is disappointing me in the first time since I backed in 2012
Just what the game needs more time wasting BS between me and getting into space in this... Space Game.
A positive change? It's not a positive change at all lol
Thanks for sharing your observations on this very long overdue feature that _should_ have been in 3.23 (if not before).
After the weeks of "a couple more days", it is good to know Persistent Hangars + Cargo Elevators at least got to EVO and shows signs of being functional. It may yet pan out like PES by the time it gets to the PU (_assuming_ it even gets that far! ).
On the back of that, given all the smoke and mirrors, it is somewhat heartening to know that 3.23's (MIA) Headline feature actually exists and has been interacted with by some ppl outside CIG.
conspiracy theory
I noticed you could park vehicles on the side of the hangar in the persistent area.
So could you park a Nursa there and set that as your regen spot so that you would just spawn right in your hangar?
I'm not sure it will persist, but definitely worth testing!