Why you will LOVE (and probably HATE) patch 3.24
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- With 3.24 now in Star Citizen's Evocati branch of testing. Players like myself got a chance to try out the latest build. With the introduction of a revamped inventory management system, cargo overhaul, and brand new personal hangars. There is a lot to dive into here, let's take a look at what to expect in the upcoming update.
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Inventory Overhaul
8:20 What Are The Consequences of These Changes?
9:52 Cargo Overhaul
14:02 Personal Hangars
21:18 These Changes May Make People Upset
21:49 A Word About Time Sinks
26:21 Conclusion
26:55 Outro
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We are expecting a new build today so I look forward to diving into that one. Like I said in the video, I'll be around on my DIscord if anyone has questions about how things are going as I do my testing.
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At this point.. I'm just surprised we still don't have a way to toggle off icon view for inventory when a detail list with text would do just fine. The more items you have, the more you'll end up having to scroll because those icons just take up so much space. More surprised we're losing features like the search, double clicking to move items, etc.. and we're on the third iteration of inventory.
I wouldn't mind the complication if the UI wasn't fighting against me too.
I love it. As the game becomes more real and intelligence led I appreciate it more. Love your insight on this, really well laid out review.
I love the fact that these changes make the game more real, and drive out the twitch players who are only here to blow up everyone they meet. I can’t wait to play more toward the vision of what the game is, which is a large MMO space sim that promotes interaction OTHER than shooting at each other. This patch is a huge step toward that.
Been playing ever since the first build of SC was available. I am having overwhelming feelings of selling my account and never touching this game again lol i am so burnt out of and over CIG's nonsense. I am not going to spend hours and hours moving my shit around in regards to inventory and cargo. The game is already the definition of time sink, im not going to spend more of my time in built in time sinks. When i get home from work or have a free day on the weekend, why the hell am i going to spend that role playing a Walmart isle stocker?
I can understand your position, however a hardcore direction was always the way they were planning on taking the game. We've known this for years now as per many of the 10 for the chairman CR videos. This is the reason why I've been trying to remind people of this time and time again since people seem to forget and end up getting comfortable and in some cases, spoiled with what we had prior. I recommend you still give it a try, or better yet, play with an organized group. After playing today's build it really is not that bad setting things up, it just requires a few more steps to learn. After which you get used to it and not notice it as much.
@@HybridVAudio"a hardcore direction was always the way they were planning on taking this game."
Awesome! Now do master modes. Oh, wait....
@@BrokenSilenceMD Yep, easy. You won't be able to repair your ship instantly forever like we can now, same with refueling. It will all take time. Also, with maelstrom, damage will be simulated rather than the hp system we have now. You have to look at the bigger picture rather than the short term bud.
@@HybridVAudio I don't disagree with any of that. But, none of those had to do with my comment re: master modes, and how it was clearly a neutering of the flight model. I find it rather discongruous to argue for all these aspects of the game to be "hardcore", and then take the fundamental aspect of the game (flight model) and argue the opposite.
It would indeed be neat if they could add more hardcore content rather than hardcore time sinks
This sounds interesting until the boxes don’t work like in this patch. Can’t load boxes and when you do get armor and guns in boxes you can’t get them out. It’s a nightmare raiding bunkers with boxes right now and if they don’t get it fixed it will be worse in the next patch.
This. I like the feature, but if drop boxes don’t work, well fuck
The longer you have played this game, the more accustomed and spoiled you get with the older system, even though in the back of your head these are temp and not the end product.
Imagine how spoiled we are now with ships being able to be repaired in an instant. In the future that will not be the case. Oh the riots I can see them now lol.
I need to spawn a ship with a full loadout, ie full gun rack, ammo, armour and ground vehicle. I’ll wait…
I like the idea of not having inventory everywhere, but I think the kiosks are just one more time sink for the game. I have not been able to get much time in the tests yet (first patch I was CTD every 5 minutes and wasn't home for the 2nd), but the little time I did get, I was having issues getting it to work. And with the automated loading the time's are WAY to high, even for testing. I think they need to get more people to play and do the manual loading, and figure out the mean time it takes, add 10 minutes or so and set the auto loading to that.
I like the idea! Just maybe not the 10mins part. Making it a % so it scales appropriately makes more sense to me. Otherwise anything that takes more than 45mins to load becomes a no brainer
it sounds to me like the intention was to not let people test it because the timer was set to outlast the length of the test
and of course as always nothing in sc is final
If they actually continue improving the new system it does have potential to get much better than the current one. Maybe in the future we'll be able to setup sets that we can call in our hangar. Could be something like in Arma 3 for example, it would then give you everything that is available from what ever kit you choose. Maybe even just bring in what is missing from what you already have on.
Of course knowing CIG, this might take 3 years or so if they now started planning it.
the best solution is to keep the local inventory system we currently have, but to restrict its access to kiosks. after that just delete the local inventory from outposts.
as for automated loading, i think having a 5-container per minute rate for a 25% profit cut is fair. then allow to buy higher load rates (up to maybe 20 containers per minute?) for up to a 75% cut in profits. and a different scale entirely for ships like the Hull-C
Can you place any object in your hands from loot? If not, there is no way to take anything if you don't have a backpack.
The real question is to know if you can do something else during automatic loading just as you can do with the refinery. If you are stuck in your hangar, it is really bad gameplay. You should be able to go play other missions on solo ships or go inside the town while the loading is done. You should ask directly at the selling center for automatic loading that would occur while you are coming back in the metro in cities. The huge timesink would still be an issue though at outposts.
But still no stakes for pirates………..
While im at it...
CIG reworks the entire inventory system, supposidly to add friction and consequence to the whole "getting started" process. Really make death mean something because of all that time you had to spend.
Also CIG:
Let players respawn in any medical vessel without consequence. (Coinciding with a sale on the nursa)
Totally coherent.
Or, maybe they just have their heads ip their colons on this one...
Selling convenience in Alpha is part of how they keep setting new funding records.
I love to see the magic inventories go but what I do not like at all is the tedious interactions required to interact with the storage access… that has to be intuitive and quick, otherwise people including me will get sick playing the game… and our nerves as players and testers are already tested enough
I love the slower space sim style features. Manual loading cargo is a feature I’ve been waiting for.
Digging through 3 inventory screens to get the current inventory screen to equip one item is a step back.
Having played the test today, it is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Completed a full haul and a few missions on a much more stable server and the process was fine. As I said one the big benefits is it clamps down on magical inventory cheese. It is just a new way of doing things.
@@HybridVAudio To my mind, you can clamp down on the inventory cheese by cutting out the drawers and having the kiosks immediately open the current inventory screen. Though it's not worth it to me. So many methods of getting around the most obnoxious bugs could no longer be done without the magic inventory screen.
@@reginadea2821 Unfortunately, part of the reason we had poor server performance was due to the magical inventory screen. Not 100% of the cause obviously, but one that had an impact that needed to be addressed. So, either way they needed a solution to limit calls to the inventory backend service from clients with potentially thousands of inventory items all while keeping it believable (they were going to kill the magical inventory cheese any way.)
@@HybridVAudio Eh, that makes no sense to me. When you open up the kiosk to move items that you want into the drawer, you're still putting out calls to your entire local inventory. The only difference is you now have an entire additional screen to wade through.
Why the hell these people have thousands of items in their inventory?
How do local inventory work at Distribution center to collect armor?
THE INVENTORY SYSTEM DID NOT NEED TO BE LESS USER FRIENDLY 😕
its not realy if they fix the UI
Inventory needed to be ACTUALLY localized. 🤷🏿♂️
With the manual loading, old cargo ships using a lot of small boxes instead of only the big 32 SCU containers as all new ships are simply dead. Old cargo ships with the same cargo load than a recent one will take two or three more times to load just because of the number of boxes. Even not mentioning the Carrack that cannot be loaded manually or the Freelancer mid cargo compartiment that are very difficult to access even with a 1 SCU box though small hatches.
Even the new ships are hurt. The auto load for cargo is 30 seconds per SCU. Container size doesn't matter.
That's 1 hour for a Freelancer MAX and 48 minutes for the 3x32 containers for the RAFT.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC Loading a RAFT manually will only take 5 minutes while loading a MAX manually will take at least 20 minutes.
@sebc8938 I can do the MAX in around 10. I used to do it with my Vulture salvage.
In 3.24, it'll be even faster when you can pick the bigger boxes.
There is no justification for the auto load to take an hour nonmatter what. Well, beyond just not wanting people to use the feature.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC Ok. Should they provide odd-size containers outside of 1, 2 and 4 SCU containers, the loading of old cargo ships would be even quicker (1x1x3, 1x1x5, 1x2x3, 1x2x5, 2x2x3, 2x2x5)
A couple of things to keep in mind. Right now, you can only do manual loading at a POI trading outpost. And manual is always faster than auto of course. Currently, as of my testing, the TDD is where the timers are at. One could posit that this is not to dissimilar to the timers for refineries. But again, I'm not a hauler by trade so I cannot make a solid 1 to 1 comparison from experience.
It is incredible to me that we have a whole industry of games that CIG could get ideas from for inventory management and yet here we are, 5 clicks to put on helmet.
Its just ANOTHER time sink that no one needs.
Precisely!
Hangars are another example.
gun racks and suit lockers are gonna be way more essential. love it.
Inventory was so confusing when I started playing, I cant imagine about now.
Regarding 17:45 and the different hangars available in different packages, they mentioned that right now there will be default hangars, but the specialised hangars will eventually arrive after they get the base functionality implemented and working. They didn't give any time estimates on when the specialised hangars will arrive, though.
Also (this is admittedly an oversimplification, for which I apologize)
After listening to the comments about how inventory changes and new time-sinks make this much more of a "simulation" and "hardcore game", combined with some soft defenses of that (fair enough), I can't help but think of the contrast between that and your comments here, and on Master Modes compared to the prior flight model; where you enthusiastically supported master modes as more user friendly and less punishing.
So, players should not be expected to invest time ACTIVELY PLAYING in order to learn/master a flight model that is central to the entire game, but...we totally should accept investing brain numbing amounts of time doing nothing but twiddling our thumbs because.....consequences are good.
Got it.
Wouldn't it be great if they could add more simulation or hardcore content rather than simulation or hardcore time sinks
@@FutureProp This is my primary gripe. A lot of CIG's decisions don't really do anything to make the game more of an immersive sim or more difficult, it just makes things more convoluted and confusing for new players and makes things take longer.
It's really not hard to prep for almost every contingency in SC. Everybody can carry guns, tractor beams, and a variety of medical equipment on their person without really making any difficult choices. As a result I come out of my respawn knowing exactly what I want but then spending ten minutes or so getting around to actually getting it equipped. I'm not planning, I'm just...going through the motions. That's not hardcore gameplay, that's just a hardcore timesink. There's a big difference.
I kinda like the idea of the lond auto load time. Makes it so either you do it yourself or you pay others to do it for you. I mean if its a massive cargo ship then its probably multi crew ship
As Evocati myself I like the idea of it, but it does feel rather clunky for FPS items. But thats just in comparison to what we've been used to so far.
Once we can persistently store armor and weapons in habs I think that will help a lot with speed and organization, if having an initial longer set up time.
Some improvements to the interface and its responsiveness, like double-clicking to move to the drawer, and a search function like you mentioned, would also go a long way to improving the experience.
Though now that I have gotten a little use to it and knowing how the warehouse interface works I know where to find my few items and retrieve them fairly quickly, though still not as fast as the instant access we had before.
Its certainly more immersive but,a s with a lot of things in SC, still ahs room and need for improvement.
I won't really know until i get hands-on, but from what is being said about the item banks, I feel like it could suck. But looking forward to storing up cargo. Does anyone know if our hangar storage can be scanned? wondering if illegal goods would have to be stored at grim hex or somthing like that
That 5 hour load timer feels about 5 hours more than I was thinking. It does has the unenviable job of encouraging players to group up, but I do feel like I could solo load a C2 with large boxes in less than 20 minutes. I do think it would be interesting if it scaled well by the number of boxes and the current workload at that location. If a location is super busy that 5 hour time might make some sense though then I'd argue the spaceport needs to hire more loaders lol
Ok, want us to last hours doing even the simplest thing?..... fine, we dont have any issues with that, unless the servers are SHIT like they have always been and all that time and effort goes down the drain thanks to a 30K or a Sync error leading to the ship`s destruction or whatever else server instability do to you..... what we fear in SC is not pirates or grieffers, we fear the SERVER itself. i havent hauled since they applied 3.23 because those issues got me to bankrupcy like 6 times as Hauling requires a heavy financial investment.... and 7 out of 10 times i lost my ship and cargo to server issues. Im now salvaging because ... yes, server instability is the same, you may loose your cargo, but your financial status is intact because you produce your own RMC, you dont buy it from some derelict outpost out there.... if your ship suddenly explodes in space in the middle of nowhere or landing in the hangar, you will not LOOSE your heavy investment, you will only loose your extra profit, but your finances will be intact.... i welcome the new system, but it makes even more worthless the hauling loop if servers are not upgraded...... CIG should understand that We already have hard , annoying, discouraging and highly frustrating jobs IN REAL LIFE!..... we dont want to go to a fantasy alternate reality to suffer doing our jobs like we already do.... we want to go to a place where special things happen, where things that are impossible for us in reality are possible and we HAVE FUN doing it!..... becoming millionaires was FUN!..... we worked hard and we became millionaires and had a great ingame life!!.... HURRAH!!..... i wanted to go into the game and play because something amazing was happening to me!.... I love the game too much to just quit for things like this, and i will keep on investing heavily on it, buying ships, controllers, improving my computer, etc..... but they should understand people like me (im sure im talking frome the perspective of maaaaany people).
one question on the "attach helmet to hip" you mentioned is, did they fix it so all helments can do it because we have the ferature in live atm but it only works with certain helmets not all of them
I think the main difference between Tarkov/DayZ and Star Citizen is that while I understand that all 3 can be time consuming and high risk/ high reward (which is what I love).. The main issue is that Star Citizen is so damn unstable that you could easily spend 30 mins gearing up and crash to desktop the instant u leave your hangar.. 50/50 whether u lose everything you had on you or your ship and need to reclaim your ship as well.. I have 4000 hours in Tarkov and ppl complain about the stash management, and the 2-3 min loading into a raid timer which is like microscopic compared to the time it takes to get set up in Star Citizen. If the game was stable and there werent server errors or crashes sometimes every hour or two, then I don't think this would be an issue.. Ive crashed literally less than 10 times in 4K hrs of Tarkov, and I just reconnect into the raid in 1 minute.. I typically crash once per day on Star Citizen, sometimes more.
I'm curious as to what your hardware setup is, as I have had the complete opposite experience in terms of crashes over the last several patches. I rarely crash and have played many multi-hour sessions without issue. We've had some folks in our org have crash happy clients like yours and after some triage we found that helping them clear their cache and user folder seemed to resolve that. Beyond that I can only assume it is SC not playing well with your current hardware/software in some way (most common being memory issues).
Is it more reliable. When you put things in your ha d does it actually appear there?
Great explanation. That's why I keep coming back. You have a great way of putting things into a perspective that is digestible, and entertaining. Plus you keep me on task with my landings. Never know when you are creeping, and I want that perfect 10.
At one point you used to be able to have every ship in your hangar. Well, I only had less than 5-6 back then but I could have them all show up. That only lasted a little while though.
Hover trolleys seems to title "placeholder" for now so if you search for that in a Dumper Depot or Cargo Deck on a station you should find it.
BUT in my and others expereince they dont seem to be working 99% of the time
I think the personal hangers being in the starting locations is a problem, it is not where people play from, generally.
So it quickly becomes a non-feature.
A dreaded place one has to go back to from time to time to get one of your assets!
erm can you access your ships inventory from the bank then? and when your in a local non personal hangar does your ship have to be out or stored in order for you to move stuff from it's invent to the item bank at that station? I ask because I do like being at tress alot... then again idk depends how much I like personal hangars... it's gonna suck when IAE rolls around though if it's at micro i'd imagine taking my ships out of the hangar wont be too great... then again we have the server reconnects and replication layer so maybe it wont be as bad as last yr!
How would you sell the gear you find at shops would you have to carry each peace to the store?
i haven't tested it but i herd you can call your gear in the hanger to go in a box
Helmet toggle is Left Alt + H.
I had the same thought on a new player experiencing this for the first time! Would love to expereince SC for the first time again after this patch.
Or rather after its in a 1.0 release state even. :P
Experiencing that sense of scale and uninterrupted travel in a polished complete state would be amazing.
On the hangars from the game packages, I was always under the impression that you would have them as a token or ticket to rent free of charge at whatever location you were landing at. I don't think it was very fleshed out, and I could be completely wrong about it. As of now, only the selfland 2.0 and aeroview 2.0 have been done in game at this point. I hope they revisit it for the revel and vfg hangar type. I could imagine the revel being only large and xl hangars at MT or Crusader. Grim Hex with an updated vfg hangar would be rad.
Edit: So I just checked on my hangar stuff, and each ship standalone or in a package has the hangar attached to it. The hangar shows as a hangar pass, which I would take to mean you would be able to rent free as I suspected if the location has that hangar type. For example, I have several selfland and one aeroview for my standalones. So I would think I could rent several selfland at multiple locations that have selfland as their hangar type, and one pass for aeroview if they have that. I would hope that if you only have selfland, and the location has another type, you could upgrade your pass for an in game fee to get the better hangar.
SC is nothing like we have played now and in the past. Moving around will not be easy, making planetary gameplay more important. Filling up a Hull D or E will be a game in itself. Speed and efficiency will be key. Specially in the Cargo sections of the space stations... those containers will be physicalized.
I think this change just incentivizes you playing more conservatively, and not taking unnecessary risks solo and playing with a group more, as well as incentivizing mechanics like bed-logging. The less you need to change your gear, or your ship, the less time you sink into the setup/prep of an activity. Moreover, if you utilize a medical vehicle, say like a Cutlass Red, you can store extra gear if you do die and have a respawn bed to reduce the time setup. They're making things be more risky, and I like that as a gameplay mechanic. Its immersive, and thats a large reason why we play this game I feel. The main issue imo, is server stability. You can die frequently due to things not rendering on your client and thus you wrecking (this was reduced with master modes as having shields up will protect from SOME collision damage but not all), you can die from AI inconsistencies going from braindead to commando, or just straight up being hidden in the walls or floors, and then the plethora of players that like to KOS other players just to make them mad in global chat. Its too frequent that death and survival are too far from the players control, and as such increased time sinks can hurt a lot more. Hopefully this will be alleviated with 4.0 and static server meshing but we really dont know until we can test it more
as long as the cargo boxes actually work (more than once or twice) I am fine with this
We must be able to save and load loadouts - like we do in other games. The game is already far too slow and often tedious. We need all basic repetitive processes dramatically streamlined to reduce the drudgery of things like inventory management and basic logistics etc.
You have to wonder at times if the devs even play SC. The game should aim to be an enjoyable, fun and an exciting experience - and not a constant grind.
Most gamers just don't have 4 or 5 hours at a stretch to play - and given how long it takes to do even the most basic things in SC - it's difficult to enjoy the experience especially once the novelty factor wears off.
It's an alpha, optimization is not a priority nor should it be...YOU are missing the plot, and YOU don't seem to actually understand the project at all
@ChristoffRevan it's an alpha this is when features should be added and streamlined. Beta's are for optimumization thr back end and suring up server performance and balance.
@ChristoffRevan I'm a modder and have been making content for games since 1987 - I'm fully aware of the difference. Basic things like personal inventory management and related systems should not require 10 years of overhauls and rethinks. By now relatively basic issues like this should be thoroughly fleshed out, and refined. It's not like data and entity streaming is a new technology. Perhaps if CIG listened to their player base more closely they'd realize that many design decisions have far-reaching consequences. Personal inventory systems hit at the very core of playability - and can literally, break a game.
@@RickOShay my comment wasn't directed at you at all. I do agree with everything your saying. I've been saying the same thing.
@@ScarredCitizen my apologies - I was responding to Christoff and mentioned you by mistake. Agree 100% with your comment. I get a little irritated with some SC backers who just blindly accept everything CIG does and don't push back when bad decisions are made.
I expect to see a lot of warehousing machinery, cargo routing conveyors and swamper robots in my warehousing operations. Otherwise I might have to hire at least 10 NPCs just to do warehousing work in my hangar
Feels like the item kiosks is more to lower memory utilization on client server and lower processing load.
With all these inventory nerfs, Im really wanting all of the suit locker (and other locker) functionality in the game right now, as well as doors on the cargo pods of my Carrack. This is all well and good, but if you're going to be hitting me with this stuff, I need the intended storage options on these ships to be available to use.
Dude. Great video. What are your pov & general settings? I have head tracking too but yours looks really really smooth. I’m using track IR. I’ve adjusted the sensitivity but I think I gotta touch it up again.
With trackIR you can use the smoothing feature under motion control to make movements less jittery. I have my cranked. Creating some deadzones in the curves can help too.
@@HybridVAudio ima try it out later. Thanks man.
It all depends on how you will play the game, the best option will be for casual gamers, who spend relaxing, or taxing moments in either Stanton or Pyro, playing for the enjoyment of experiencing an unique game and immersion. Its possibly the best choice as there is no pressure, no time constraints and everything done at your pace. The main issue is with the OCD/ADHD nut jobs, they turn a simple game into a lifestyle, need to loot everything, complete every quest and mission, worry about everything and anything, stress over rebalancing missed features/ships and content inevitable pushbacks. If you've played star Citizen for a few yrs, the best approach is a casual one, most seasoned backers don't really play that much, and that's the best approach, change is the spice to this game, rebalancing is key.
Imagine owning an Idris and CIG decides not only do you not get your ship, you also don't get your hangar. Oh and any regular player can steal a fully crewed Idris and ride around the verse blasting pirates and players, and we just had an event with a 90% functional one, interiors and all!
@23:08 ... 👋 found me. But not a newer player... older player who always knew that this was how Star Citizen _should be_ and was _always planned to be._
Someone showed me how you can cheese loot in distribution centers where you can strip all the guards you killed and store everything locally. And then drive by in a big freighter and pick up the loot in one go.
Honestly that experience was so immersion breaking for me I didn't wanna do it and my friends thought I was stupid for not doing it. lmao jokes on them, now they can't anymore either and I think that's a good thing. Maybe I'm just a killjoy
If it takes 5 hours to load up a cargo ship can you jump in another ship and do other stuff whilst you wait?
Does the helmet toggle actually work now? Before if you had more than one helmet in inventory it would go nuts.
From my testing today it seems like it is working fine.
I'm trying to find out what happens with your Larger sized ships bought in game if you only own a smaller sized ship. Do you get a larger Hanger to play with or do you have to buy it? Do we get to keep our larger in game bought ships or do we loose them?
Can't say I am a fan of the new inventory system but I am honestly more concerned with my Ships and ship hangers.
i like the idea, but i hate the longer/extra step just to take item
shorten the step will make it better
the inventory stuff is gonna take getting useto and new methods of the unloading and loading cargo etc
for me i do bunker runs and bring back corpses stuffed with gear quite effetive way at getting around 8 guns maybe more depending.
but if they keep tractorbeams as they are mabe add some resorce energy that requires power drane to weight factor it might make it harder to run bunkers without industrial tractor beam but i can do it with a p4 in light armor no backpack needed.
I wouldn't have minded it as much if you just went up to one of those kiosks and it opened the same inventory we have now. But that's not what we're getting. I'm anticipating waiting for it to load, waiting for the drawers to load, probably re-assigning the items to the drawers if the server is uncooperative (which it probably will be). Then more time waiting for the second inventory screen to open up and finally the usual delays when I equip those items onto my character. And if I forget a single medpen, I get to do that all over again! In return what do we get? The FEELING of immersion that I absolutely didn't need? Did CIG take this opportunity to give us loadout slots, make it easy to sort and select items, or even a way to auto-designate stuff that I would always want to bring along with me? Nope, none of that. All I'm getting is CIG being so busy thinking about what the addition would do rather than the WHY of it.
also want a filter for smg, AR, LMG or light, medium and heavy armor etc
Do vehicles snap to the cargo grid?
Probably not, but I have not fully tested it yet. I'll be trying out more cargo stuff when they release the new build later today, including seeing if a bike would snap to the grid.
It is awesome that having items and getting equipped is now a physical thing. This makes the game much more real, and having the right gear at the right time and place is a big deal and a game unto itself.
If they don’t drastically change the money reward for missions/trading to meet the increased time commitment so it’s at least relatively similar to before 3.24 this is gonna feel baddddd. Like imagine you can make 300k in 10 minutes now doing some activity but then after 3.24 that takes 30mins that should be like 900k after that and i just cant see them doing that. (just want a similar grind to reward ratio) not trying to say 300k every 10mins should be like a gold standard or anything) we just need to feel like what we are doing is worth our time.
They will probably drop out these gear inventory kiosks and leave the old system as it is until they come up with something simplified.
12:51 " I'm the captain now ! "
I reinstalled this game over the weekend after not having played it for a couple of years.
I was kind of surprised by the fact that it was such a nigh-unplayable shitshow. Absolutely enormous frame drops, my Constellation constantly exploding or disappearing in the hangar before I'd even get to it, leading to an endless loop of "Claims" having to be made, the floor of the hangar essentially disappearing and sending me into the abyss underneath the planet... etc. And when I finally _did_ manage to do a couple of FPS missions, the enemy combat AI was so unpredictably wonky that it was basically impossible to make any headway. Not to mention the constant "Crimestat" rating being on and currently so bugged that I couldn't get it removed.
When I decided to just do Bounty Hunts in my Connie, the game wouldn't let me spawn it in. I uninstalled. I'll probably never install this game again unless it's actually legitimately functional as a real, honest-to-God video game. I'll just watch videos about it instead. I wish half of the content I see about this game was something I could experience in it personally. Oh well. Guess it's going the same direction as Elite as a (somehow STILL) buggy, overengineered shitshow.
These games are what happens when vision exceeds grasp.
Such a bad take...thing is, there's literally an event going on right now, servers are always worse during one. Anyways, how about take a REAL break from the project and just leave, as in...don't consume SC content on social media if you hate it that much
@@ChristoffRevanhow about stop being such sole licker and understand that other people that paid have grievances.
Yeah, you got a bad server. Sometimes you get a good server. Sometimes. Just play when server meshing is in and not glitchy. Whenever that is.
Majority of those issues you experienced are caused by bad server performance which can be exacerbated during an event. Currently, there is just one server that handles the entire solar system and all its players and entities. Server meshing is slated to come in for 4.0 later this year. This will split the workload over several servers which will address server performance issues. Probably best to wait for that if you don't have the patience to deal with the current server performance.
Can you call up a ground vehicle while you ship is in hangar? If so that alone is actually a huge timesaver.
Not yet unfortunately. You have to call them up one by one. So you call a ground vehicle, move it to the side, then call the ship. Later we are supposed to get them from cargo elevators so we can pull both at once. Don't know if we'll get that in this release or the next big one like 4.0.
Go to a store and purchase an outfit and not get said outfit to wear.... Yup, seems perfectly immersive and realistic.
And don’t change your mind on something. Gotta start all over.
The inventory kiosks, as proposed, are a slap in the face, and totally disrespectful of players time (nothing new...)
I say this because currently users can multitask waits on trains/elevators/etc. with inventory management.
This completely removes that ability to multi-task / fill "down time" with busy work.
The middle ground, that would make total sense and actually respect players time would be:
1. allow users to "manage" their inventory from anywhere (similar to what we do now) BUT...
2. players can not bring items into the world...Instead, changes are reflected in the inventory model which acts like a shopping cart.
3. players can "order" items from anywhere, but they are delivered to defined areas (i.e Inventory locker in hanger or existing kiosks)
In this way, nothing changes from an physicalizing standpoint. I still don't have a "bag of holding". I can't just manifest items on my person etc. BUT....I can manage my inventory remotely.
This, to me, is the biggest "Duh......" It baffles me how CIG constant seem to not think things through, but just plow forward with half baked ideas, when they could save considerable amounts of TIME AND MONEY by thinking through the experience, and consider ways to improve it before shoving it out the door.
I play it 3h and wait for another one.
Time sinks are okay with me but I can‘t have them without meaningful progression and caused by unresponsive bad UI…
My hope is that we stop looking at this as "time wasting" and start looking at this as the first step into properly physicallizing everything. My hope is that we're eventually gonna be physically opening boxes and placing objects into said box one by one. I don't want this paper doll inventory at all, and i hope that these changes start going away from that aspect
its alt+H to move your helmet to your hip. :)
i think Hangars are great, freight elevators are a good thing. Unloading your loot and stacking stuff to sell later is awesome. The item banks are just horrible. lets say you go to buy some food and drinks. now you have to go to an item bank to finaly eat or drink it. its ok to have limited access to your inventory also its a good thing to remove a lot of invisible inventorys from locations like jumptown or all other small landing spots on planets. i think this will even increase server performance since it doesnt have to keep track of all these locations anymore. just give the terminals the same functionality of the imaginary inventory. let me equip stuff from the terminal instead of choosing what i want to look at and then open the limited imaginary inventory. its the third time they reworked the inventory system and it gets worse every time so in the end you always go back to the imaginary inventory screen (same for looting) If you get a chance to test the next patch please try to put dead npcs on the freight elevator and see if it stores the items. Dead people mooving will be the new looting
i was waiting for it to take more time (hoping it will give more money too).
CIG is making inventory more like simulator and flight model more like arcade. WHAT THE F
They added a search function to the Starmap. It's a given they'll add it here eventually. 🤷🏿♂️
But yeah, I'm glad we're moving beyond the magical bag of holding phase. The game is that much closer to what it's meant to be.
It feels like CIG lack anybody in house to own interface design for optimal UX and quality of life. It’s bizarre how they continue to churn out badly thought through updates like the new inventory kiosk system.
….we still need “magical” inventory at the kiosks and ships….if my gun is in a “drawer” you can grab and shoot in < 2s in real life; do that in star citizen….. realism 😂
Not exactly, we know in the future a major landing site or station (which are the only places with item banks atm) will prohibit bringing weapons into the area unless you have an established security reputation. Unlikely you can just reach into an item drawer and pull out a weapon and start shooting (unless you smuggled one in). Maybe on a ship, but I would expect that there. If I was boarding a ship I would expect the pilot reached for his/her weapon locker to defend themself.
As a long time player (9 years) with a Freelancer DUR as the only ship I can use to make money, no, this doesn't really feel like a whole new world, it feels like more of the same timesink BS that will kill the game if they don't start curbing it HARD.
Half the playerbase, and 90% of the whales funding the game are retirees who want to mine and run cargo, and maybe want a little spicy risk, but for the most part want to do their own thing.
Meanwhile, the other half of the playerbase is hopped up on enough caffine to kill an elephant, and every second spent on an elevator/tram/train, and/or staring at a terminal counting down how long until they can play the game is an entire eternity of torture - while I'm sure a lot of people appreciate the the pacing of the game, sometimes it feels like we'll get to see the release of Star Marine, and possibly even the Kraken, before we get back to what we were doing when we die, and they want to add to that because they don't think we already lose time?!!
Oooh I can put my fish tank in my Carrack!
i think it is a good thing. my whole life is very hectic. in star citizen i dont mind taking my time for things
oh no you have to micro manage a little more, hell they could make it like 30 clicks to do one thing and ive still had to deal with worse in grand strategy games
They are trying to keep people in the game longer. Wrong way for sure. Instead of giving us meaningful missions they are doing this BS to slow us down. New flash CIG, you just going to piss players off and they will lose interest.
Its the phone game method of increasing play time
Bad take...if you don't want to play a life sim MMO in a sci-fi galaxy (which is the literal words of Chris Roberts in the type of game they're making), then go play Fortnite
@@ChristoffRevanbad take in general.
@@ChristoffRevan It's a little deeper than that. Create meaningful things to keep people in the game, not a roadblock to your inventory. You get what I saying? Dont set up roadblocks to keep me in the game longer, it's an insult to my intelligence. If the content is interesting people will stay, if not and becomes way to much of a hassle to get out into the world and start adventuring people are going to leave bottom line. Also if the content and operation of the game is good you dont have to try to keep people busy with mindless activities as well. Now on the other hand it could be optional, that would be acceptable and not hold everyone to going through an eye of a needle.
It is not about keeping people in the game longer, it is part of the core loop of the game which in of itself does that already. And it also provides a reason to use the lockers aboard ships. If you have a magical inventory, you have no reason to use it. The goal of the game is to create an immersive sci-fi sim. Kind of hard to pull that off when you can run up to Jumptown naked and then put on heavy armor and weapons out of thin air and mow people down in an instant. Not really something they are going for I'm afraid.
Honestly they should just put a terminal in there that lets you buy stuff at the local price of one location and sell it at the local price of another location. All on the same terminal. I HATE having to fly in space to buy and sell cargo. It's such a waste of time.
@l3igl3oi73 Lol the game shuld just play for me that way I can get ritch by not playing
I'm all for the full experience of cargo hauling as long as it is appropriately industrial in scale (and this applies to all industrial game-play). When I see CIG videos on this topic (or on the new distribution centres), they always seem to be running around with tractor beams, carrying 1 or 2 SCU boxes in to their medium or large ship, or occasionally you see the 5x 1 SCU trolley, or rarely that less-than-useful Mule: this is not industrial, this is not immersive game-play (at least for me).
For sure, you've got a small cargo hauler and you're just starting out, or you're out in the boonies - it's all manual and that's appropriate. But your large haulers should be being loaded with varying sizes of containers, using industrial-scale vehicles or cranes or tractor beams, not with 1 SCU bucket brigades.
I really hope I've missed a video on this topic because every time I see people with tractor beams, 1 SCU boxes, and large ships, or the distribution hubs I question CIG's understanding of industrial... .
Oh my gosh, just stop talking...you can literally get larger sized containers with this system. Don't whine about things you have zero idea about
@@ChristoffRevan You completely missed the point of what I was saying, go back and try again
In game huh. Like the idris. Or the javelin.
Naval combat 😅 haven’t seen many navy ships with 6DoF 🤷♂️
ALT H to take off the helmet!
So we fixed workaround used by 1% players by making it worse for 100% players. Good job again.
With all of these systems we are moving away from game to second job.
That was my sentiment exactly! As a new player it's hard enough to learn the game. Looting boxes from farms was a way for new players to easily earn some cash and start advancing in the game. Let's put more obstacles in the path of new players.....that will certainly attract and encourage them! This a freaking game, it's supposed to be challenging yet ultimately be Fun!
Made a suggestion involving suit lockers in spectrum check it out and let me know what you think thanks.
The game itself already is a time sink. You log in, takes 5 minutes. Another 5 minutes to go buy gear. Another 2 minutes on Transit. Another 10 minutes waiting for your ship, another 5 minutes to get into orbit. 10 minutes to meet up with other players/friends and just getting to the point of even discussing a mission or activity and you're already 47 minutes in.
Yeah. It’s crazy hours I look at the time when I’m finally ready to do a mission and I’m like bruh. Buthere’s some ways to avoid it each time like buying supplies for prep in bulk and transferring your imprint to a space station.
I'd love to be able to completely stock my ships with everything. I lost interest in that after watching ships fall through hangars and need to be reclaimed. This is why we see so many in sperm suits and empty ships.
First comment, WHEN ARE CIG GONNA REMOVE ALL THIS HUD & UI CRAP FROM THE FLIGHT SCREEN?
Nice clean gaming is what MOST PLAYERS WANT.
watched this with, looking at Family Guy with no sound on. Was very funny :D
My parents never got to tell me that computer games were a waste of time because my generation created them when we were already adults...
Yes, please make something simple more convoluted. The inventory system is already buggy.
What happens if you throw a dead nine tails npc in a freight elevator?
I really only do mercenary missions and I make my money by collecting armor, helmets and guns and selling them so This all sounds really crappy. I guess I can always try and sell my account if it doesn’t change.
Devil’s advocate: We didn’t make purchases. We pledged $$ to the project in return to for some goodies always subject to change. We agreed to this on the pledge screen. CIG will pull the rug out sooner or later. Such is marketing.
Uou all loved shenmue and being a certified forklift operator,... Now you dont want it any more...
Helmet command is left alt-H
It's remapped for 3.24 to N
@@HybridVAudio ahhh, thx. They sure like to change keybinds!
@@fortmanr All good, I just jumped into this latest build and it is back to the old alt+H hotkey. Either my keys carried over or they just reset they key back lol.