As an engineering technician spending my working life fiddling with mechanisms and mechanistic concepts, it is absolutely fascinating listening to these three worthy gents who have inhabited a different world to my own.
Wonderful! I once recently wrote to Malcolm and impertinently suggested he and Dr McGilchrist should have a conversation given their shared interests, so this was a thrill to see happen :)
Just last week I had the pleasure of sharing a bit of time and space with Malcom, and as he spoke I thought “he *must* be aware of McGilchrist’s work!” Indeed he was, and what a delight to now come find this video. This is some of the most fertile conversational ground, I believe, for those at the nexus of the arts and the church. Thank you for sharing this.
I’m sure you are all familiar with George MacDonald’s The Imagination essay. I couldn’t help but be reminded of this quote when Iain spoke of the enormous importance of the imagination for insight. Around the 13:30 minute mark. “Yea, more than this: we dare to claim for the true, childlike, humble imagination, such an inward oneness with the laws of the universe that it possesses in itself an insight into the very nature of things.” George MacDonald
Great discussion. So much food for thought. One part (aroung 50 mins) that caught my attention most was about the need for an artist not only to descend but to bring us back up to the light again and justify the yes from the no. I couldn't agree more and have thought the same for a very long time. Indeed I feel that when artists drag you down with every intention of leaving you in the mire and of simply letting go they have utterly betrayed your trust, since you need trust to appreciate great works of art deeply. The person who comes to mind here isn't Beckett but William Burroughs who has a gift for describing the depths but it seems to me no desire to rescue us again and offer any kind of redemption. I have no interest in taking such a journey since what's the point of landing up in someone else's despair? Seems a very modern attitude to art in any case and symptomatic of a deeper malaise that regards life as nasty, brutish and short and relishes telling us so.
Profound and Joyous! I am slowly getting through 'The Matter with things', supplemented by video conversations including one with Roger Wagner and I recently read 'Mariner'. Wonderful to hear these wise voices together
Glorious! I have been listening to The Fellowship of the Ring at night, and wondering if Tom Bombadil might be interpreted as the right hemisphere of the brain, not divine, but the aperture to the divine, as well as music and poetry. The ring doesn't make Frodo invisible to him, and he's unimpressed by it, but he is of his place, his geography, and only there, not of the great battle and journey. He does give jeweled weapons to the hobbits though. Gifts of the right hemisphere? A great clandestine defense of C.S. Lewis and the imagination. Next life I want to be this magnificently erudite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for putting this together and sharing it, Mr. Wagner. I tracked with everything they were saying except for McGilchrist's comment on his dislike of dogma. I wonder how he would respond to G.K. Chesterton's comments on dogma.
Three is a crowd? Never, however, these two are a charm, grinning merely leaves out the image of a smile going too far and causing all sorts of aches and pains when one has to through mere decency leave the smile and carry on in normal demythologised life, for now.
Set on the soul's acropolis the reason stands A virgin, arm'd, commercing with celestial light, And he who sins against her has defiled his own Virginity: no cleansing makes his garment white; So clear is reason. But how dark, imagining, Warm, dark, obscure and infinite, daughter of Night: Dark is her brow, the beauty of her eyes with sleep Is loaded and her pains are long, and her delight. Tempt not Athene. Wound not in her fertile pains Demeter, nor rebel against her mother-right. Oh who will reconcile in me both maid and mother, Who make in me a concord of the depth and height? Who make imagination's dim exploring touch Ever report the same as intellectual sight? Then could I truly say, and not deceive, Then wholly say, that I B E L I E V E.
Nice video! 2020 was a rough year for me as I lost my job as a college teacher due to the lockdown. I got introduced to Ms, Gardner, I opened up about challenges I was facing here in Norway, during my time working with her, I was able generate weekly returns on my investment in the money market. We still keep in touch, such an amazing lady.
Wonderful! I once recently wrote to Malcolm and impertinently suggested he and Dr McGilchrist should have a conversation given their shared interests, so this was a thrill to see happen :)
As an engineering technician spending my working life fiddling with mechanisms and mechanistic concepts, it is absolutely fascinating listening to these three worthy gents who have inhabited a different world to my own.
Wonderful! I once recently wrote to Malcolm and impertinently suggested he and Dr McGilchrist should have a conversation given their shared interests, so this was a thrill to see happen :)
One day ; I also hope my poetry jams a machine. There is justice in it.
Just last week I had the pleasure of sharing a bit of time and space with Malcom, and as he spoke I thought “he *must* be aware of McGilchrist’s work!” Indeed he was, and what a delight to now come find this video. This is some of the most fertile conversational ground, I believe, for those at the nexus of the arts and the church. Thank you for sharing this.
I’m sure you are all familiar with George MacDonald’s The Imagination essay. I couldn’t help but be reminded of this quote when Iain spoke of the enormous importance of the imagination for insight. Around the 13:30 minute mark.
“Yea, more than this: we dare to claim for the true, childlike, humble imagination, such an inward oneness with the laws of the universe that it possesses in itself an insight into the very nature of things.”
George MacDonald
Akin to, “once you know the way broadly, you’ll see it in everything.”?
Yes Ghibran Said " Rest in Reason - Move with Passion"
Wonderful! Wonderful! Yet again, wonderful!
Brilliant!
What a delight to end with Malcolm’s poem. What a giggle we all had with that one!
Great discussion. So much food for thought. One part (aroung 50 mins) that caught my attention most was about the need for an artist not only to descend but to bring us back up to the light again and justify the yes from the no. I couldn't agree more and have thought the same for a very long time. Indeed I feel that when artists drag you down with every intention of leaving you in the mire and of simply letting go they have utterly betrayed your trust, since you need trust to appreciate great works of art deeply. The person who comes to mind here isn't Beckett but William Burroughs who has a gift for describing the depths but it seems to me no desire to rescue us again and offer any kind of redemption. I have no interest in taking such a journey since what's the point of landing up in someone else's despair? Seems a very modern attitude to art in any case and symptomatic of a deeper malaise that regards life as nasty, brutish and short and relishes telling us so.
Profound and Joyous! I am slowly getting through 'The Matter with things', supplemented by video conversations including one with Roger Wagner and I recently read 'Mariner'. Wonderful to hear these wise voices together
Glorious! I have been listening to The Fellowship of the Ring at night, and wondering if Tom Bombadil might be interpreted as the right hemisphere of the brain, not divine, but the aperture to the divine, as well as music and poetry. The ring doesn't make Frodo invisible to him, and he's unimpressed by it, but he is of his place, his geography, and only there, not of the great battle and journey. He does give jeweled weapons to the hobbits though. Gifts of the right hemisphere? A great clandestine defense of C.S. Lewis and the imagination.
Next life I want to be this magnificently erudite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just brilliant!
Thank you for putting this together and sharing it, Mr. Wagner. I tracked with everything they were saying except for McGilchrist's comment on his dislike of dogma. I wonder how he would respond to G.K. Chesterton's comments on dogma.
listen to other conversations with Iain and discover his thoughts on dogma
Three is a crowd? Never, however, these two are a charm, grinning merely leaves out the image of a smile going too far and causing all sorts of aches and pains when one has to through mere decency leave the smile and carry on in normal demythologised life, for now.
Thank you.
Set on the soul's acropolis the reason stands
A virgin, arm'd, commercing with celestial light,
And he who sins against her has defiled his own
Virginity: no cleansing makes his garment white;
So clear is reason. But how dark, imagining,
Warm, dark, obscure and infinite, daughter of Night:
Dark is her brow, the beauty of her eyes with sleep
Is loaded and her pains are long, and her delight.
Tempt not Athene. Wound not in her fertile pains
Demeter, nor rebel against her mother-right.
Oh who will reconcile in me both maid and mother,
Who make in me a concord of the depth and height?
Who make imagination's dim exploring touch
Ever report the same as intellectual sight?
Then could I truly say, and not deceive,
Then wholly say, that I B E L I E V E.
❤
Did you ever meet an old friend of mine andrew walker. ??? He taught at univ. Of london and was a lewis specialist. Many thanks. Warren
Imagine imagining.
Is McGilchrist and Guite the same person?
@ 57:40 also to revivify the already created, I hope, or at least hope that I’m close or lukewarm
Pre-liked for good measure.
If you haven't yet looked into John Taylor Gatto: The primary goal of education in the US is obedience to authority.
I saw the thumbnail and thought it was about the stages of the beard
Nice video! 2020 was a rough year for me as I lost my job as a college teacher due to the lockdown. I got introduced to Ms, Gardner, I opened up about challenges I was facing here in Norway, during my time working with her, I was able generate weekly returns on my investment in the money market. We still keep in touch, such an amazing lady.
I’m trying to create long term wealth to set towards property one day . How can i reach out to her? she could be of great help
@ROSEGARDNERBIS
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A trio of hirsute beauts.
you old guys tend to hate the dark women.
Malcolm should learn to listen. Interrupts Iain at every opportunity. Likes the sound of his own voice. Quite ignorant actually.
Ian is so gracious
Wonderful! I once recently wrote to Malcolm and impertinently suggested he and Dr McGilchrist should have a conversation given their shared interests, so this was a thrill to see happen :)