Which PMVND is BEST for YOU!!! 2-5 Stop or 6-9 Stop
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2020
- In this video I discuss my uses for the PMVND filters and give you my opinion on which filter is best suited for my uses.
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Which PMVND is BEST for YOU!!! 2-5 Stop or 6-9 Stop 
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Thanks Malcom, appreciate the solid review.
Excellent review, covering the info that we actually need. Keep up the excellent work!
Thank you!
Thank you! You make me easier to decide to buy
thank you for the review just starting out blogging and I'm glad I seen your video!
Glad it was helpful!
Great comparison of the use cases for these, I had thought of the prime fast glass consideration but had not realized that logs will lock you into higher fixed ISOs. Thanks for this video.
Glad it helped.
Thanks for sharing your tips and experiences. Simple but very useful
My pleasure!
ty man the only video i needed to pick my 6-9 for my sony 24mm 1.4 GM
Your Welcome!
6:40 Thank you much appreciated, more of the bigger youtubers didn't cover on when to use the different stops such as 6-9 especially with primes such as f1.4 , f1.8 or f2.0 Especially in bright daylight.
Yes, I had the same questions when trying to decide to buy one of them, I ended up getting both and 90% of the time I only need the 2-5 for myself. Glad the video helped you out, Good luck!
@@MalcolmWalker Thank you, it made my decision much easier.
thank you so much! i really need this:)
Your Welcome!
great video; helped me a lot! thank you!
Your welcome, glad it helped.
Great job on this. Real different from all the others. Keep it up.
I appreciate that!
Agreed. This is not meant to be disrespectful, but you give us a real life perspective without the paid advertisement, or I want to get a sponsorship approach. It’s authentic. 😎
The most useful video on this subject. Canceled my 2 to 5 order as my kit is Sony 11mm 1.8 for vlogs and Sigma 40mm 1.4 for serious work.
Yeah if you want to go lower then 2.8 you will want the 6-9
Great video , thank u
You are very sincere and i love that, not everyone is like that, you should make more video tutorials. I believe you will have a lot of followers
Thank you!
you helped me a lot
thank you ♥
Glad it did! Thanks for watching.
Great video Malcolm! I was about to buy two different sizes of the ND filters for my 77mm and 82mm lenses, then you pulled out the step up rings! Just saved me $200😂
Yeah only way to go. They can be clumsy sometimes but no more then caring for two ND filters
@@MalcolmWalker no doubt! I just ordered the 6-9 mist filter. Super excited to start working with it. Shooting a big documentary this summer and want it to look as professional as possible!
Great info!
Thank you!
Nice review. Haven't come across I've yet that compared the two filters so well. I primarily use a 20mm 1.8 and I like to use it wide open for that cinematic look and I shoot in S-log, I live in San Diego so it's pretty much bright and sunny every day. So would you recommend I buy the 6-9 ?
Yes if that is what you are shooting I would use the 6-9, and then use auto ISO and let the camera bump ISO up to maintain proper exposure.
Thank you for the video, I just purchased both Peter M. VNDs for photography purposes, do I still need a Circular Polarizer?
If you want the circular polarizer effect you will need one.
good vid, thanks! Optically, any thoughts on PMVND I vs II ? (non mist version).
I don't recall any optical improvements from version 1 vs version 2, Functionality yes, I do think the haptic feedback on each stop is a much needed upgrade as well as the case design, The original case is great, but it has had some small issues. The new case design seems like it would be easier to apply in real world applications for keeping the ND protected. I have a bad habit of just taking it off and putting it in my pocket. The new cases would probably solve that for me. But ultimately it was not worth upgrading for my use, and I am more then happy with version 1.
Is it a bad idea to get the edition 1 (since they are cheaper now)? I know they made external changes, but is the quality of the actual results of photos and videos the same for both edition 1 and 2? That’s all I care about, please help!
As far as I know the quality did not change, but I do not know that for certain. The only thing I know changed was the body of them and by no means do I feel like I need to upgrade to the newer ones. I am sure you will be perfectly happy with the edition 1's.
Thank you for your excellent content. Would you recommend the 2-5 stop or the 6-9 stop if I mostly vlog on my smartphone outside (at different times of the day)?
For a phone I would recommend the 2-5, they are just not as good in low light but could easily benefit from the 2-5 imo.
That's a good point. Thanks! :)
Thanks :)
No problem!
hi, thanks for your video! i just picked up a sony a7iii and am still a newbie when it comes to filming. I picked up the Tamron 25-75 f2.8 lenses and will be primarily using this for travel videos/slow motion cinematic videos outside. I'm a bit split since I know you said the 2-5 is better for slow-motion but the 6-9 is better for f2.8 lenses. So would it be better to get the 6-9 and just bump the ISO up if it's too dark? Thanks so much for your help!!!
Yes the A7iii has excellent high ISO performance so you can easily bump your ISO if you are shooting at 2.8.
@@MalcolmWalker amazing, thank you so much for your quick response and help! appreciate it :)
if you bump up the ISO the video might look grainy. in that case, use a 2-5 and turn down the ISO. i use my 2-5 most of the time with a F1.8 lens. but, if you want a blurrier background get a 6-9. the 2-5 gives you a blurry background too, it's just not overkill like a 6-9 is. i have both. the key is to have the ISO as low as possible when shooting video if picture profile is off.
Setting aside how the environment is - sunny or shady. Having been using 35mm 1.4 sigma and takumar 55 f2 for my video work. Do you suggest going for 6-9 ? Also how does it compare with freewell's( you got a combo pack here) and tiffin ( i guess it has 2-9 stops) ?
If you haven’t seen my other video on calculating how many stops you need, I suggest you check it out. It may help you figure out how many stops of light you need no matter what conditions are and you can use your desired aperture settings. It is challenging to deside which filter is best. I find in my work, unless it’s outdoors in sunny conditions the 6-9 is too dark and I prefer the 2-5 with stopping down my aperture. I am unfamiliar with the freewells. The tiffin I have never used but in my research it sounds like you don’t get full functionality of all the range of adjustments without cross polarizing.
Can you use mist without the nd? Or is 2 stops the minimum
just a heads up. They now have a second addition on there website. what do you recommend from the 1st to the 2nd addition as they are both the same price for the 2 pack.
I see no reason not to buy the newer ones since the 6-9 is now the same price as the 2-5. There have been times I can see having the stop detent but I honestly don't see a need for it in my work flow. There are plenty of videos talking about the new filters that can identify the differences to the old ones as well.
i'd like to use s-cinetone ☺ Can I add a filter on another one without adapters if they have the same size, for instance 77mm? so I’d like to put a black mist on a 77mm diameter lens and then a nd+cpl filter on the black mist. Without holder or adapter can I?
Thank you for explaning I really appreciated! ☺ I have a question for you, thank you in advance for answring... I would like to use the lens Sony 24-105mm on my Sony A7IV, then I would like to apply a Nisi Black Mist on it, and on the black mist I’d like to put the ND64 6stops + CPL integrated filter by Nisi. Will I make a mess of my photos and videos? Would this be a bad choice to make? Is the 24-105mm G really less sharp, bidimensional, sad looking and not good in night, low light or indoors situations? Cause my intention is to get a tridimensional, cinematic looking on my photos and videos.
I recommend you watch MAKE ART KNOW's video on the A7iii low light profile. I learned a lot about using picture profiles for different conditions. I personally just got a camera that shoots S-Cinetone and I am still learning it. Some profiles are good in low light and others with lots of dynamic range in them.
To answer your question about stacking filters, Yes you can stack them if they have a filter thread on the filter. Depending on the focal length of the lens you may run into vignette issues stacking filters.
Your A7IV should be able to run high enough ISO levels to meet the needs of the f4 24-105 lens. I run this lens and on my A7iii it seemed to work very well in video using the 2-5 stop, but I always took the filter off inside or low light settings. I think the 24-105 is very sharp and it looks great for video.
I hope this helps clarify some things. Good luck!
your link for the Sensei step up ring for the 55mm-77mm on Amazon once you link it up is for the 49mm-77mm. Does it still work for my 18-135 sony lens. going from 55mm- 77mm as to the 77 ND filter? will the 49-77 still work on the 55mm lens?
No you need the 55-77 ring adapter. The link was there for you to easily find that brand as I prefer that style then the ones you keep adding to, to get to your size. I use the 49mm adapter to fit onto my 55mmf1.8 ziess lens.
@@MalcolmWalker yes, I also have the Sony 55mm lens 18-135. so will the 49mm to 77mm adapter work ? you mentioned that you Doo use the 49mm adapter for your 55mm f 1.8 lens. for your 77 ND filter
@@teamworkaholics1293 I have the 3 ring adapters. 49-77, 55-77, and 67-77. the 49-77 is for my 55 ziess, the 55-77 is for the 18-135, and the 67-77 is for my 24GM. I mount either of the PMVND to the 77 part and then put it on the ring for the lens I have. MY 85Gm and 100-400 are already 77mm filter threads and the filters screw right onto the lens.
Great video! I just have a quick question…
I own a Sony A7sIII with a 24-105mm F4 and I always shoot in S-log 3 where the base iso is 640 or 12800… would u recommend the 2-5 stops or 6-9stops?
Thank you so much 🙏🏻
With the f4 I would get the 2-5. I have another video that shows you how to calculate your required stops using shutter speed so you can determine what will be best for you. The thumbnail shows the edges of the filters.
@@MalcolmWalker thank you so much! So even in bright conditions you would still recommend the 2-5stops filter?
Thanks again
@@yuribertacchi8106 yes with the f4 lens. 2.8 I would recommend the 6-9
Hi! I have a Sony A7III with a FE 24-70mm F/4 ZA OSS lens. Which filter would you recommend?
Thanks in advance!
I run the 2-5 on my 24-105 f4. It works well and I always seem to have enough to get the proper exposure for me.
@@MalcolmWalker Thanks! Ordering mine now :D
Hi, I have Sony A7iii with FE24-105mm F/4 shooting at outdoor with brightness sunlight which ND filter stops would you recommend?
I have another video explaining the answer to this question, you can calculate how many stops you need for a certain scene by adjusting your shutter to find your correct exposure and just count how many stops you moved your shutter.
ruclips.net/video/cZlkDmzp1ck/видео.html
Hi. Thanks for the advices! I have a Lumix S5 shooting in flat/Cinelike format (usually in 2.8 - 1/50) in outdoor conditions for travel videos. What VND would you advise? 2-5 or 6-9 stops?
I would recommend the 6-9 stop and raise your ISO if its too dark for other situations.
I want to know,, if I'm Shooting vlogs using my camera then i have to regularly walk here and there and doing this my camera sometimes get darker sometimes very much light in... So can you suggest me how to avoid this problem??
Should i shoot in aperture mode or Shutter mode...?
Please Help
I shoot in shutter mode with the 2-5 on. Let the camera do aperture and iso when your vlogging. If you walk into a darker area spin the vnd to 2. And back to 5 outside or whatever you need. Works well for me.
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Thanks man, i have sony 24mm f1.4 G master , would it be better for me to go with 6-9 ?
I have the same lens. It really depends what and where you are shooting. I personally use the 2-5 more often. If you haven’t seen my other PMVND video, check it out, I discuss how to calculate how many stops you need.
@@MalcolmWalker thank you, i will check your other videos :)
a question, with an F2.8 1/50 (25p) full Sun shutter a 2 - 5 stop is enough? or 6 - 9? thanks
s cinetone is 200 iso, and slog3 is 160 iso of the base, not 800 now.
consider this and then answer me please. thank you
I can’t speak about the newer lower ISO settings on newer cameras, however using an ISO chart you should be able to determine how many stops light difference that is. From 800 to 200 ISO is 2 stops of light reduction. It may be possible to use the 2-5 filter. However in some of my testing shooting at 2.8 it may be a safer bet to get the 6-9 and bump up your ISO if it is too dark. It’s easier to maintain your shutter angle to increase light then to get rid of it.
i have sigma 16mm f1.4 and I'm purchasing this VND flter because i want to do vlogging some time it is in the harsh sun light, some time it may be in indoors, Please recommend me which stop filter will be helpful for me. 2-5 or 6-9
i have watched your both comparison video but still confused, Kindly suggest me one filter please.
Love from India❤️❤️
If you want to do your vlogging outdoors at f1.4-2.8 I would recommend the 6-9 filter and just bump your ISO up as needed to compensate. Usually I do not need the filters indoors unless your brightly lit indoors at f1.4 then a 2-5 would be fine. As an overall filter for vlogging you need to know what your f stop is going to be at. Try filming yourself in different situations at different f stops, and adjust shutter as needed for the testing. Once you have a depth of field you want to film with, Stay with that depth of field and count your shutter adjustments to determine how many stops of light it takes to get you into proper exposure. I understand the struggle with choosing. If you want your f-stop 2.8 or less then I would recommend the 6-9. If you don't mind it being at f4 or 5.6 the 2-5 will work well. You can always make your camera brighter with ISO. Can't always make it darker without changing your shutter or aperture which effects your composition of image. Good luck, you will be happy with either one honestly. If I could only have 1 filter today, it would be the 2-5.
Thank you So Much Dear,, it would be very tough to Choosing, but as you said, i should know what my f stop is going to be, I definitely try to filming in different situations, and try to bump up my ISO. Thanks for you rply it helped me a lot...
thanks a billion.... good Luck
Love from India ❤️
Can you use it for mist filter without using the nd?
These filters are the first generation filters, they do not have the mist. The second generation filter can be bought without the mist or with the mist. From my understanding is the Mist version is a completely new filter with its own built in ND and yes 2 stops would be the minimum on the 2-5 stop mist edition.
Honorable dear Thank you for your video , I am going get soon Sony A7s3 , Tamron 28-78 f 2.8 , Tamron 17-28 f 2.8 , then which ND filter size do you recommend me ..? 67 , 72 , 77 or 82mm . I am confused help me out of this please.
Both Tamron lenses use a 67mm filter thread on them according to B&H. The filters are available in a 67mm filter thread. So if you do not plan on buying any other lenses then I would buy the 67mm filters. If you want future growth room then I would recommend at least the 77mm as that should cover you for most lenses. The 82 would be okay as well, it just depends on what you feel would be your future lenses. In my experience, I bought the 77mm filters as those are my largest lenses. I use step adapter rings to mount them on my 67, 55, 49mm lenses. It works just fine that way.
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Dear One more confusion generate after finalization of 77mm FREEWELL filter stop 2-5 . which (…mm to ..mm) step up/adopter ring .? Can cover 17-28 & 28-75 f 2.8 , thread 67mm and future lenses and which company to buy in reasonable price ....
@@afnanmajeed3785 Amazon has some step rings. Search for filter thread step rings, They make entire kits or you can get specific ones. I personally bought Sensei rings, I bought 3 of them. 49-77, 55-77, 67-77. This covered all my needs. I like these rings because they do not require you to stack multiple rings to get to the size you need. They are made for your exact size need. So if you buy the 77mm filter, you will need the 67-77 ring adapter.
i will go with polarpro 67 to 77 mm step up ring in shaa ALLAH , Thank you for your help .. :)
what cover u using
The cover for the VND filter is the rubber cover they come with when you buy one. It is molded to fit right onto the filter.
Hey Sir, If there is full sunny day and i have 2-5 stop filter & i want to shoot with f2.8 then is it possible to shoot full sunny day with 2-5Stop PP filter while putting my aperture f2.8 ?
thanks
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It would most likely not be possible to shoot at 2.8 in full sun with the 2-5 stop filter and obtain proper exposure. It would still need to be stopped down further. Your options would be to over-crank you shutter speed, or increase your frame rate to 60 fps or 120fps if those are options for you, or possibly try and lower your exposure compensation down into the negative. Shoot with the lowest ISO you can and shoot in a standard picture profile. Not a log profile, which usually bumps base ISO up.
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You are a Great Teacher....!!
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Maybe a stupid question: cam i put a polorizing filter on top of it?
Yes, you can, but it would depend on your focal length and filter size if you would cause a vignette on the image.
@@MalcolmWalker so help me understand this...ND FOR CUTTING LIGHT, PL filter for recovering better the blues, most of the time the sky and boost saturation of colors
@@strippedlist It will help with some color, it will help remove reflection of the sky from water, so you can see into the water better or get better water color, it will do the same for windows too.
@@MalcolmWalker thaNk you for taking your time to respond, for this kind of education i subscribed to you and looking forward for new learning materials for new video makers, it helped me a lot this and otHer videos from your page. TY
@@strippedlist Glad to help, This is what my channel is about, I have learned so much from RUclips and those that provide the information, I just want to help others as others have helped me.
Too also confirm with you about the PL and ND going together.. I have the Polor Pro Circular Polarizer as well. It is the 77mm thread size, It has a 77mm thread on the front as well. So I was only able to put the polarizer on the lens first, then the 2-5 or 6-9 stop ND filter would go onto it. The 77mm ND filters do not have a thread on the outside to add anything onto them.
That being said, In basic testing outside I got some strange color shifts when combining them depending on the settings. When I get time I will try to make a video about the two working together and whether or not it is a good idea. Thank you.
Isn’t there an nd filter that has 2-9?
There is, and it’s from a reputable brand but I can’t remember what it was, the problem however is, it can induce unwanted shading in the image near the limits so your usable nd isn’t as good as is stated. Just from what I remember when I was researching it.
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Glad it helped!