I have the Keltec. It’s an awesome gun and an awesome company. I bought the original sub 2000 in 9mm and kept it and used it everywhere for almost 20 years. I beat the hell out of it, took it camping, it got rained on, was kept under the front seat of 4 different vehicles, (cars and trucks). I put thousands of rounds through it and didn’t clean it, sometimes for years. It almost never had misfeeds or extraction problems and was as reliable as any Glock, H&k or Sig. Here’s the part about the company: I sent my sub 2000 to Keltec for replacing/refinishing some rusted parts. In the course of talking to Keltec’s service department, we decided to upgrade the rifle to Gen 2. They charged me 150 bucks plus shipping and what I got back was essentially a brand new rifle. This gun will be with me for the rest of my life and I have no doubt it will outlive my kids. I also have a Keltec P3AT .380 pistol, and I literally carry it in my wallet. I am definitely a Keltec customer for life.
You haven't had any problems with the trigger not resetting? I believe it was sootch (Sensible Prepper) that said he has 2 sub2ks where their triggers stopped resetting because the part to make it reset are plastic/polymer. I ended up going with Stern Defense mag block and PSA upper.
@@bullheadedgideon1673 MCARBO sells an aluminum trigger assembly kit that also reduced the trigger pull. I've never had any issue with my trigger resetting but getting the MCARBO package could be a quick solution.
One thing that I rarely see brought up when it comes to these PCCs is weight. One of the biggest advantages of a PCC is getting maximum power out of low recoil pistol ammo, making them ideal for smaller or physically weaker shooters (females, the elderly and infirm, etc). The Ruger and the AR-9 weigh the same as or more than an AR-15, so if you are able to lift that weight you'd be better off with 5.56 over 9mm. The SUB-2000 is more than *2LB* lighter than those, and that makes a big difference for those demographics.
I was looking for this comment. Weight is just as important as size but wont get mentioned near as often. Mag flexibility is an other point of usefulness.
Agree on mag flexibility. I got a pc 9 because Magpul Glock mags were cheap, and then swapped my full size home defense pistols (M&P 9, and Springfield XD 9) for a Glock 17 to have magazine uniformity. Not sure I agree as to weight. I suspect a PC 9 is a pound or two heavier than an AR 9 with decent upgraded components. Doubt a 9mm BCG, 2.5oz heavier buffer and barrel add that much extra weight to an AR over .223/.556, as gas block and tube are absent.
Lighter for the kel-tec is a win for anyone try it out! Maneuverability, speed, folding, can fit in a backpack 🎒 or even on a holster and it is POWERFUL. So light and a nice primary rifle with a pistol that takes the same magazines as a secondary! Load out done ✅
I have the Ruger PC 9, purchased in stock configuration shortly after it was released. It shoots super easy and is ridiculously easy to hit smallish targets (soda cans, clay pigeons, etc.) with a zeroed red dot. I've added a Midwest Industries 12" rail and their aluminum stock spacer to improve sling and accessory attachment options. Really like this carbine. The Keltec seems cool but also seems most likely to break. I got the PC before I had much experience with an AR, and now I realize that it's substantially heavier than a standard AR. Watched this vid because thinking about getting an AR and setting it up for 9mm, but read that 9mm blowback recoil is substantially greater than .223/.556 so I'm looking for a recoil comparison bw AR 9 and PC 9.
As to the sub 2000, I love that I can pull it from my travel bag and deploy and be shooting within 20 seconds. Does not replace a concealed carry. But I do like the increased capability.
I have the S2K with a lot of the MCARBO upgrades and I love it. Shoots every time, easy to clean, easy to disassemble. Having said that, I am planning on purchasing the Ruger and maybe an AR-9 very soon.
I have a Ruger PCC that I have modified with MCARBO parts. I love this gun. Works well for home defence and packing away I have never had a function problem and I have over a 1000 rounds through it of all types of ammo. Its very accurate at the range. I'm going to put a Sightmark reflex sight on it. For the price of the gun the quality is Ruger top notch
@@jolkraeremeark6949 OMGosh yes I still have it. It is my protector of home and hearth. I put a red dot sight on it and a light.. It is very accurate, light recoil. 9MM out of a 16 inch barrel is @ 1350 FPS. Using Glock mags , no jams , no failures to feed. Wonderful.
Have the Ruger PC Carbine. Standard stock. MLOK upper. TK comp. Like: Eats what I feed it. Reliable. Straight shooter. Re-acquiring targets and controlling double taps better with comp. I'm sure the MCarbo comp works fine too. Wish I had a chance to try both. Fun! Concern: Ruger's MLOK brings weight forward. Might be better buying standard upper, then go 3rd party MLOK later. Conclusion: Love it. Ruger "over-builds" but that's what I wanted. Plan to gradually upgrade over next 12 months. If experience cycling issues I'll get the MCarbo extractor.
Glad to see a video like this. It's Sub2000 for the win IMO. It's lightweight, reliable, storable, and the cheapest of the three. I bought one for each member of my household. For the cost of a middle of the road AR, I was able to buy a Sub2000, PSA Dagger, and plate carrier for each person. This also maintains mag compatibility across the board. 9mm ammo is also the most affordable ammo right now and the most common. I have bought much from MCarbo but personally find the scope mount way overpriced. For $80 I was able to buy a decent red dot, riser, and QD mount for the Sub2000. When folded, clip the red dot underneath and just flip it to the top rail when deployed. Yes, it is slower but $149 just for the mount is a bit much. The red dot seems to be holding combat effectiveness within 100 yards which is the most you will get out of a PCC effectively anyway.
I got the striker ambush offset mount for my red dot as it sits flush with the rail and still allows you to fold the rifle. The great thing is i just need to unfold and shoot, no extra steps.
I only own the SUB2K, and once I had it sighted in, I've found it to be totally reliable. My uncle who had never shot anything like that, over inserted a 17rounder like a dummy, (because he thought it had to be flush like the 15 rdr it comes with) and mangled the feed lips with the bolt, but even after that I reinserted the mag and the gun ran fine, the mag took all the beating (which I was surprised being the SUB2K is mostly polymer). Whatever, totally just anecdotal info from my sample size of 1. I would love to buy/play around with the other 2 .... :)
Just purchased the Ruger pc9 and cant say enough about it , Awesome WELL made and extremely Accurate. my pick out of all 3. Great video and God bless America, STAY ALERT AND STRONG!!!
I have the MCarbo Sub 2k and multiple Glock pistols. The sub 2k is as reliable as the glock, absolute blast to shoot, accurate, and well done... I would not trade it for anything.
I just bought a sub 2K instead of an AR9 and I absolutely love it. I havnt shot it outdoors yet but groupings at 30 yards indoor are very good. Im not an excellent shooter but I was about 1 inch groupings.
Great our our purchase you won’t be disappointed! They have 3 tiers factory MSERIES>S2K w Mcarbo parts>S2K stock. all three are great and offer different quality and performance but they all are completely awesome! What defensive ammunition are you running? What model did you go with? Ps. Certain ammo make this thing a MACHINE that can truly lean from a pcc to rifle like wounding capabilities with the right round. 9mm Liberty civil defense is about 2,500fps+ and produces temporary cavities like defensive .223/.556 ammo check there RUclips! Lehigh 65gr all copper defenders defeat level 3A body armor and standard JHP like Sig’s V-Crown or HST are just insane out of this rifle with the right load you are about 700ft/lbs of power! It’s so versatile! Can fill ANY role and fit in a backpack 🎒 and accept the same magazines as your pistol! S2K primary and your pistol secondary/backup-Load out complete! #2A #MCARBO #UNITEDWESTANDIVIDEDWEFALL #S2K FOR THE WIN What model did you purchase?
I have both 1st and 2nd gen Sub2000s. Both shipped with absolutely terrible triggers which I remedied through traditional gunsmithing methods. Accuracy is exceptional with both of them when I use S&B 115 grain fmj, and winchester nato gets an honorable mention as well. At 100 yards, with a 4x optic mounted backwards in an AR cantilever mount and the sights removed, the gun will put 5 rounds of S&B into groups of 2” or less. That’s superior to most rack-grade ARs in 5.56 using bulk ammo. My Ruger pc9 will even do a bit better with the same ammo. Most other ammo will shoot around 3” with either the Ruger or the sub2k at 100 yards. I own an Angstadt UDP-9 and a Foxtrot Mike FM9 (both 16” guns) and neither will do better than 5-6” at 100 yards. I just have not found AR-pattern PCCs to be very accurate. People tend to say things like “They’re just not intended to shoot that far”, and I say only accurate guns are interesting. Obviously Ruger and Kel-tec do think they are intended to shoot that far, and the targets show their mission accomplished.
I have owned/own all three. I had the gen 1 Sub 2K and sold it. I like it a lot, fun to shoot and super quick to deploy. But it felt cheap. Really cheap. Front sight blade was a nightmare. I built a 7.5” 9mm SBR, Glock mags on a New Frontier Armory lower. Upper has a last round bolt hold open. LOVE that gun. She is ammo picky, though. she does not like flat point 147gr ammo. I also have the Ruger PC carbine. I like that rifle A LOT. Not nearly as picky with ammo like the AR-9. My only complaint is the iron sights... mine seem to be a bit off for some reason, so I installed a red dot. All in all, I don’t see paying a ton of money for a rifle that you are going to double in price by buying and installing third party aftermarket stuff.
CZ Scorpion pistol w/side folder ! fits in a back pack , easy/fast to deploy , 35 round mags under $20 and reliable 100 yard head shots with a 2 moa red dot .
Here is my 2cents of experience. PCC’s are fun to shoot, less expensive then shooting a real rifle and if you choose the right PCC and pistol combination you have one sweet setup with cross-compatibility. But the advantages of the PCC over a real rifle (one chambered in a rifle round) pretty much stops there. If you are talking strictly home defense you want something that can one shot stop most intruders and not over penetrate. My choice is a 300blackout, short barrel, with a good fast acquiring optic. With all this said, I own a Keltec M-Series Sub2000 9mm Multi-Mag that I matched up to my Sig P320. Why? Because with the right rounds and plan you have one sweet camping/hiking/truck rifle and pistol combo! The rounds I use for this combo are Winchester SXT (first 6 rounds shot) then followed up by Buffalo Bore Penetrators (hard cast bullets). Most engagements I’ve been in are either done in the first 3-6 rounds fired and if not, the enemy has usually slipped behind some type of medium’ ish type of cover. This is where the Penetrators come in and can usually punch through this. Again, home defense is one thing and planning for cross compatability situations is completely different. I also chose the Sub2000 for camping because the Penetrator rounds in 9MM has stopped big game (specifically a bear) and has proven itself to punch way above it’s weight class when used in the right guns with the right length barrels. So, the Sub2000 is faster to employ then the other two, much lighter then the other two, smaller (easier to pack and stuff into your truck) then the other two, can be converted to accept just about every major pistol manufacturers mags which the other two are are stuck with reliable Glock mags but you also have to be a Glock fanboy (shameless poke!).
I have the PC Carbine with a Strikefire 2 red dot that I keep in my go bag in the truck. I think it's perfect for those situations where you have no choice but to hoof it to get back home in the event of a natural or man-made disaster. I have matched it up with a Ruger security 9 and have several magazines which work in both as well as the Glock drop-in mag well in case I should come across some 9mm Glock mags.
My buddy has the Keltec and I have the PCC. We've shot both many times and he agrees the ruger is a much better shooter. The 'backpack-ability' is super cool with the Keltec though.
Have the Keltec sub2000 gen2 M-Series, love it. My only complaint: no last round hold open. If the ATF changes their minds about "arm braces", I should by safe. The Ruger PC Carbine is 9 on my short list. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Nice review, I own the Sub-2000 with all the MCARBO parts and that carbine is transformed into a great gun. It’s very accurate & the trigger is now crisp.
Good comparison of the strengths of these carbines. No firearm is perfect and each has its benefits and drawbacks. I have the RUGER PC chassis carbine with: 1.) Midwest Industries "folding buffer adaptor", LBE buffer tube and the original MOE adjustable stock for a great FOLDING stock. 2.)M*CARBO Mini Brake, mag release button, bolt extractor and pins, bolt buffer pad, bolt hold-open lever but NOT the trigger mod. 3.)MAGPUL forearm QD socket, MBUS sights, AFG fore grip, K-2 pistol grip, one or two point QD sling, MOE adjustable stock. This PC runs like a clock and eats any ammo. But a carbine this heavy needs that sling. -> TIP: Put a TACCOM or TANDEMKROSS ambidextrous dual lever safety on yer RUGER PC carbine. MUCH more ergonomic than that factory button safety.
I have an AR-15 because I feel like it's my patriotic duty. However, just going shooting with my sons or with friends and family I absolutely love the PCC. I'm also getting old so anything outside of 150 yards my eyes limit efficacy more than ballistics or firearm features. The PCC within 150 yards and a decent red dot there are no issues hitting a small clay 150- yards. I have the Ruger and the AR9 and honestly for newcomers to 2A they all seem to like the Ruger with the Glock receiver the best.
I have a sub 2000 with all internal Mcarbo upgrades. Great gun. I wish someone would come up with a decent buttstock. 0 jams with brass. All jams with aluminum.
I know, it feels like you're stepping on Lego's. Try a recoil pad. You'll get a larger surface area and it dampens some of the felt-recoil. ruclips.net/video/_dXMA5pGasU/видео.html
One thing I would be specifically interested in, and was not addressed, is the relative amount of recoil between the three. I own a Gen 1 S2K, and have never had a complaint about its recoil, but it has a really heavy bolt and fairly sturdy recoil spring. Likewise, the Ruger's bolt design has been praised as mitigating recoil, but AR-9s in general have been criticized for their relatively heavy recoil. A comment on best-middle-worst, and their relative feel would be appreciated.
i have an m-carbo-ed sub2k, the only thing i don't have is that flip optic mount. (Maybe during the next holiday sale.) My sub2k is a groundhog killer. i keep it on the lawn tractor while i am cutting grass
Awesome review. I purchased the Ruger PCC and I love it. I am having some difficulty finding a sling that will fit or any QD points for that matter. Do you have an suggestion?
@@elche1976 sure it goes to the range with me I my go bag bc it can of course fold up it stays in the vehicle alot but the point is I can take it anywhere bc it being able to fold down
Love my kelly teccyy sub 2k 9mm it's one of my favorite guns to shoot. Very accurate for what it is. I have no problem at all hitting targets at 75yrds
I have both the sub2k and the ruger pcc. My pcc would have stovepiping issue if I used cheap ammo while my sub2k had no problem eating cheap ammo. My ruger jammed a few times but my sub2k never jammed. The ruger is heavy af while the sub2k is a few pounds easier.
Oh man, I’ve got a Sub2K and have wanted to know how those other options compared! I hope you do a follow up shooting vid to compare their performance, time to deploy, shots on target, group sizes, etc.
About a month ago, I got the Ruger PCC. Why? Because i read incredibly mixed reviews on the KelTec vs almost universal praise of the Ruger, and I very specifically did not want an AR platform. My PCC also very specifically does not have the MLOC for the same reason I avoided an AR.
@@sosilverraider7119 prior to the Sub 2000 they made a gun called The sub 9 and sub 40 which were made out of steel. Years ago I had a chance to buy the 9 mm but didn't. I've been regretting that decision for years. They do pop up on GunBroker every now and then. They usually cost more than the regular Sub 2000 but it's Corona 2020 now so the price will be in inflated more than usual.
Well the problem I see with all 3 carbines is they have features that are currently banned in 10 states. That is something these videos fail to mention. I have a Ruger PC9 in the MAGPUL stock. Currently the PC9 are flying off the shelves here in the Northeast and NY. Now that the Henry Homesteader has been released, we need a review of born again Marlin Camp Rifle concept 😊
big problem with sub2k is field stripping - especially with the aftermarket parts- (charging handle)better bring a long screwdriver and a flashlight wth maybe it gets easier with practice but I find that the original charging handle is good enough. Great video btw
Had the Ruger, sold it and built my own AR9. I hate the takedown feature of the Ruger, accuracy was not consistent with optics mounted on the reciever. I mounted a red dot where the rear sight goes and then it was a tack driver. With the AR9 accuracy is always dead on and is more modular.
I’ve heard that quite a bit about the Ruger. I tightened the adjustment ring on mine where I really had to crank it down to get it to connect. I’m getting 2.5-3 moa at 100 with mine.
I don't think it gets stated enough-- Mcarbo is the only thing that keep the Sub2k from being a niche platform. As an owner, it's an entirely uncomfortable experience in its base config and not red dot friendly. If you want what 704 had, be prepared to budget more.
I have several Ar-15's in various calibers, even budget 5.56 is a lot more expensive than 9mm. Shooting on my property lower velocity 9mm is cheaper and safer than 5.56. For this reason I purchased the Ruger pcc and I have no regrets. It is the perfect plinking rifle. I think it is unfair to compare customized Keltecs to the other 2. I have Keltec pistols and like the company but my experience of the std Sub 2k led me to purchase the Ruger
I like carrying either my Glock 34 long barrel 9mm or my Glock 41 long barrel 45...and keep a couple 33/27 round mags in my pack. Also, repair parts are available anywhere for the Glocks...not so much for the pcc's...just sayin'.
I have a sub 2000 gen 2 and it's fun. I need to get out more and shoot. Id love to get the upgrade for it. I wouldn't want to try doing it by myself. I'd rather have someone who knows what they are doing to set it up.
What do you think about the Foxtrot Mike FM9, Aero precision EPC9 & Faxon Bantam? I would love to see you do reviews on all these 16" 9mm PCC's! I love your honest reviews & opinions!
I don't own any of these, and haven't shot any, so this is guess work. I would use the AR9 as a pistol and add a folding adapter to reduce the length. I have that on my 300 blackout AR15 pistol.
Just got a PCC as my first rifle purchase ever ! Also an owner of two Glocks, so it just made sense. Gonna look into that Sub2000 also tho ! Is it California compliant ?! :/
I have a sub2000 with all the mcarbo goodies but it fire when a friend was shooting it and they pulled the trigger and boom no more barrel 🥲 so bought a Ruger pcc :D
Seems the actual purpose of this video is to serve as a 7 minute long mcarbo advertisement. Could make a good drinking game- take a shot each time he says mcarbo!
I will always have a soft spot for the Sub2000. I have no doubt that the others are better shooters, but the Sub2k is very accurate, very lightweight, stupid reliable and you can stuff it anywhere and deploy it from there in 2 seconds. The m-carbo stuff is nice, but you don't need it and it is an extremely inexpensive weapon without it. I own several at this point. Its not my favorite gun, but its probably the gun I am most fond of if that makes sense.
I have an AR9 pistol. It fills the void of home defense, truck gun, and backpacking gun by separating the lower and upper. I would love to try a law tactical folder to see if it would be solve the separating size limitations.
I have the sub 2k and the Ruger P.C.9 . My P.C. is one of the older designs without the pistol grip. I do haver the M*Carbo flip up sight mount on my sub 2k. While I like the way the sub2k shoots I like the P.C. better. The sub 2k has the tendency to break charging handles. I have broken two already, the one that came with the gun and a M*Carbo replacement. I now keep a spare charging handle in the backpack I keep the gun in.
My charging handle broke and I bought 2 because I know it will happen again. The first charging handle made it through 1500 rounds. I am glad keltec sells the charging handle at an honest price. Less than 7 bucks.
First off. Love your channel! Alway great content and very detailed. Keep them coming. Now for my question. I am in the market for a PCC9. I had been leaning towards the Beretta CX4 Storm but after some additional research I have added the Sub2000 and the Ruger PC9 takedown to the mix. My intended use is the range and possibly home defense to go along with my FNS9. Have you had the opportunity to shoot the Beretta CX4 Storm? If so, what were your thoughts? If not, do you have any thoughts? I would love to have some additional information to help me with my final decision. Thanks.
Great review. Nobody mentions that for lefties, the sub2000 spits lots of unburnt powder into your face. So lefties really should wear shooting glasses. But mostly i just squint when i don't have them on. It's a bit of a nuisance really. I don't know if the Ruger does that.
Why don't you just come out and say "I'm a shill for mcarbo"? Tacticool and other companies also make accessories and enhancements for the Kel-Tec SUB-2000. Why no mention of them? Also the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is by far the lightest of all three!
I have the Keltec. It’s an awesome gun and an awesome company. I bought the original sub 2000 in 9mm and kept it and used it everywhere for almost 20 years. I beat the hell out of it, took it camping, it got rained on, was kept under the front seat of 4 different vehicles, (cars and trucks). I put thousands of rounds through it and didn’t clean it, sometimes for years. It almost never had misfeeds or extraction problems and was as reliable as any Glock, H&k or Sig. Here’s the part about the company: I sent my sub 2000 to Keltec for replacing/refinishing some rusted parts. In the course of talking to Keltec’s service department, we decided to upgrade the rifle to Gen 2. They charged me 150 bucks plus shipping and what I got back was essentially a brand new rifle. This gun will be with me for the rest of my life and I have no doubt it will outlive my kids. I also have a Keltec P3AT .380 pistol, and I literally carry it in my wallet. I am definitely a Keltec customer for life.
Wow, that's awesome customer service. I have the sub2k, gen and have been interested in more by them. Like their p50 i think it's called, 5.7x28 gun.
You haven't had any problems with the trigger not resetting?
I believe it was sootch (Sensible Prepper) that said he has 2 sub2ks where their triggers stopped resetting because the part to make it reset are plastic/polymer.
I ended up going with Stern Defense mag block and PSA upper.
@@bullheadedgideon1673 MCARBO sells an aluminum trigger assembly kit that also reduced the trigger pull. I've never had any issue with my trigger resetting but getting the MCARBO package could be a quick solution.
How do you upgrade a gun
I own a sub2k with upgraded Mcarbo parts. It’s so accurate and so easy to deploy. Really love it.
Starts to laugh as he tries to say "lets have a civil discussion" ... LOL even you couldn't get that statement out without laughing man.
How dare you make fun of him. :-) (j/k of course)
I've wanted to see exactly this sort of comparison. thank you for putting this video together!
One thing that I rarely see brought up when it comes to these PCCs is weight. One of the biggest advantages of a PCC is getting maximum power out of low recoil pistol ammo, making them ideal for smaller or physically weaker shooters (females, the elderly and infirm, etc). The Ruger and the AR-9 weigh the same as or more than an AR-15, so if you are able to lift that weight you'd be better off with 5.56 over 9mm. The SUB-2000 is more than *2LB* lighter than those, and that makes a big difference for those demographics.
I was looking for this comment. Weight is just as important as size but wont get mentioned near as often.
Mag flexibility is an other point of usefulness.
Agree on mag flexibility. I got a pc 9 because Magpul Glock mags were cheap, and then swapped my full size home defense pistols (M&P 9, and Springfield XD 9) for a Glock 17 to have magazine uniformity.
Not sure I agree as to weight. I suspect a PC 9 is a pound or two heavier than an AR 9 with decent upgraded components. Doubt a 9mm BCG, 2.5oz heavier buffer and barrel add that much extra weight to an AR over .223/.556, as gas block and tube are absent.
They’re also really handy for experienced shooters as well. It’s nice to have something that everyone can use.
"Elderly or Infirm" ? I see your point well , but you may have insulted a few young and firm owners along the way,...heh
Lighter for the kel-tec is a win for anyone try it out! Maneuverability, speed, folding, can fit in a backpack 🎒 or even on a holster and it is POWERFUL. So light and a nice primary rifle with a pistol that takes the same magazines as a secondary! Load out done ✅
I have the Ruger PC 9, purchased in stock configuration shortly after it was released. It shoots super easy and is ridiculously easy to hit smallish targets (soda cans, clay pigeons, etc.) with a zeroed red dot. I've added a Midwest Industries 12" rail and their aluminum stock spacer to improve sling and accessory attachment options. Really like this carbine.
The Keltec seems cool but also seems most likely to break.
I got the PC before I had much experience with an AR, and now I realize that it's substantially heavier than a standard AR. Watched this vid because thinking about getting an AR and setting it up for 9mm, but read that 9mm blowback recoil is substantially greater than .223/.556 so I'm looking for a recoil comparison bw AR 9 and PC 9.
As to the sub 2000, I love that I can pull it from my travel bag and deploy and be shooting within 20 seconds. Does not replace a concealed carry. But I do like the increased capability.
I have the S2K with a lot of the MCARBO upgrades and I love it. Shoots every time, easy to clean, easy to disassemble. Having said that, I am planning on purchasing the Ruger and maybe an AR-9 very soon.
What stock version would you pick up first?
I have a Ruger PCC that I have modified with MCARBO parts. I love this gun. Works well for home defence and packing away I have never had a function problem and I have over a 1000 rounds through it of all types of ammo. Its very accurate at the range. I'm going to put a Sightmark reflex sight on it. For the price of the gun the quality is Ruger top notch
Do you still have it? If so, are you still happy with the firearm?
@@jolkraeremeark6949 OMGosh yes I still have it. It is my protector of home and hearth. I put a red dot sight on it and a light.. It is very accurate, light recoil. 9MM out of a 16 inch barrel is @ 1350 FPS. Using Glock mags , no jams , no failures to feed. Wonderful.
@NoBo Frog it just seems a tad heavy for the platform. But, the weight makes it steadier I assume. Any aftermarket besides the mentioned?
@@jolkraeremeark6949 The platform is a Little heavy but I don't mind. I like solid if you know what I mean. I have no other add-ons.
@@jolkraeremeark6949 I watched that vid 2 years ago. Nice review
I'm gonna say the sub2k wins all day. It matches my m&p mags and folds easily into a backpack for transport.
Have the Ruger PC Carbine. Standard stock. MLOK upper. TK comp.
Like: Eats what I feed it. Reliable. Straight shooter. Re-acquiring targets and controlling double taps better with comp. I'm sure the MCarbo comp works fine too. Wish I had a chance to try both. Fun!
Concern: Ruger's MLOK brings weight forward. Might be better buying standard upper, then go 3rd party MLOK later.
Conclusion: Love it. Ruger "over-builds" but that's what I wanted. Plan to gradually upgrade over next 12 months. If experience cycling issues I'll get the MCarbo extractor.
Glad to see a video like this. It's Sub2000 for the win IMO. It's lightweight, reliable, storable, and the cheapest of the three. I bought one for each member of my household. For the cost of a middle of the road AR, I was able to buy a Sub2000, PSA Dagger, and plate carrier for each person. This also maintains mag compatibility across the board. 9mm ammo is also the most affordable ammo right now and the most common. I have bought much from MCarbo but personally find the scope mount way overpriced. For $80 I was able to buy a decent red dot, riser, and QD mount for the Sub2000. When folded, clip the red dot underneath and just flip it to the top rail when deployed. Yes, it is slower but $149 just for the mount is a bit much. The red dot seems to be holding combat effectiveness within 100 yards which is the most you will get out of a PCC effectively anyway.
I got the striker ambush offset mount for my red dot as it sits flush with the rail and still allows you to fold the rifle. The great thing is i just need to unfold and shoot, no extra steps.
I only own the SUB2K, and once I had it sighted in, I've found it to be totally reliable. My uncle who had never shot anything like that, over inserted a 17rounder like a dummy, (because he thought it had to be flush like the 15 rdr it comes with) and mangled the feed lips with the bolt, but even after that I reinserted the mag and the gun ran fine, the mag took all the beating (which I was surprised being the SUB2K is mostly polymer). Whatever, totally just anecdotal info from my sample size of 1. I would love to buy/play around with the other 2 .... :)
Just purchased the Ruger pc9 and cant say enough about it , Awesome WELL made and extremely Accurate. my pick out of all 3. Great video and God bless America, STAY ALERT AND STRONG!!!
I love my ruger carbine straight out of the box.
There's just something about a firearm that works well out of the box.... instead of needing everything tinkered with to look cool.
I have the MCarbo Sub 2k and multiple Glock pistols. The sub 2k is as reliable as the glock, absolute blast to shoot, accurate, and well done... I would not trade it for anything.
I just bought a sub 2K instead of an AR9 and I absolutely love it. I havnt shot it outdoors yet but groupings at 30 yards indoor are very good. Im not an excellent shooter but I was about 1 inch groupings.
Great our our purchase you won’t be disappointed! They have 3 tiers factory MSERIES>S2K w Mcarbo parts>S2K stock.
all three are great and offer different quality and performance but they all are completely awesome! What defensive ammunition are you running? What model did you go with?
Ps. Certain ammo make this thing a MACHINE that can truly lean from a pcc to rifle like wounding capabilities with the right round. 9mm Liberty civil defense is about 2,500fps+ and produces temporary cavities like defensive .223/.556 ammo check there RUclips! Lehigh 65gr all copper defenders defeat level 3A body armor and standard JHP like Sig’s V-Crown or HST are just insane out of this rifle with the right load you are about 700ft/lbs of power! It’s so versatile! Can fill ANY role and fit in a backpack 🎒 and accept the same magazines as your pistol! S2K primary and your pistol secondary/backup-Load out complete! #2A #MCARBO #UNITEDWESTANDIVIDEDWEFALL #S2K FOR THE WIN
What model did you purchase?
I have both 1st and 2nd gen Sub2000s. Both shipped with absolutely terrible triggers which I remedied through traditional gunsmithing methods. Accuracy is exceptional with both of them when I use S&B 115 grain fmj, and winchester nato gets an honorable mention as well. At 100 yards, with a 4x optic mounted backwards in an AR cantilever mount and the sights removed, the gun will put 5 rounds of S&B into groups of 2” or less. That’s superior to most rack-grade ARs in 5.56 using bulk ammo. My Ruger pc9 will even do a bit better with the same ammo. Most other ammo will shoot around 3” with either the Ruger or the sub2k at 100 yards. I own an Angstadt UDP-9 and a Foxtrot Mike FM9 (both 16” guns) and neither will do better than 5-6” at 100 yards. I just have not found AR-pattern PCCs to be very accurate. People tend to say things like “They’re just not intended to shoot that far”, and I say only accurate guns are interesting. Obviously Ruger and Kel-tec do think they are intended to shoot that far, and the targets show their mission accomplished.
I have owned/own all three. I had the gen 1 Sub 2K and sold it. I like it a lot, fun to shoot and super quick to deploy. But it felt cheap. Really cheap. Front sight blade was a nightmare. I built a 7.5” 9mm SBR, Glock mags on a New Frontier Armory lower. Upper has a last round bolt hold open. LOVE that gun. She is ammo picky, though. she does not like flat point 147gr ammo. I also have the Ruger PC carbine. I like that rifle A LOT. Not nearly as picky with ammo like the AR-9. My only complaint is the iron sights... mine seem to be a bit off for some reason, so I installed a red dot. All in all, I don’t see paying a ton of money for a rifle that you are going to double in price by buying and installing third party aftermarket stuff.
Thanks for comparing all 3 of these guns! Gives us a lot more perspective than a traditional 1 gun review.
Great perspectives on each of the rifles, thanks.
I own a Ruger pc carbine. It's my go to home defense gun. Perfect for my apartment.
CZ Scorpion pistol w/side folder !
fits in a back pack , easy/fast to deploy , 35 round mags under $20 and reliable 100 yard head shots with a 2 moa red dot .
Here is my 2cents of experience. PCC’s are fun to shoot, less expensive then shooting a real rifle and if you choose the right PCC and pistol combination you have one sweet setup with cross-compatibility. But the advantages of the PCC over a real rifle (one chambered in a rifle round) pretty much stops there. If you are talking strictly home defense you want something that can one shot stop most intruders and not over penetrate. My choice is a 300blackout, short barrel, with a good fast acquiring optic.
With all this said, I own a Keltec M-Series Sub2000 9mm Multi-Mag that I matched up to my Sig P320. Why? Because with the right rounds and plan you have one sweet camping/hiking/truck rifle and pistol combo! The rounds I use for this combo are Winchester SXT (first 6 rounds shot) then followed up by Buffalo Bore Penetrators (hard cast bullets). Most engagements I’ve been in are either done in the first 3-6 rounds fired and if not, the enemy has usually slipped behind some type of medium’ ish type of cover. This is where the Penetrators come in and can usually punch through this.
Again, home defense is one thing and planning for cross compatability situations is completely different. I also chose the Sub2000 for camping because the Penetrator rounds in 9MM has stopped big game (specifically a bear) and has proven itself to punch way above it’s weight class when used in the right guns with the right length barrels.
So, the Sub2000 is faster to employ then the other two, much lighter then the other two, smaller (easier to pack and stuff into your truck) then the other two, can be converted to accept just about every major pistol manufacturers mags which the other two are are stuck with reliable Glock mags but you also have to be a Glock fanboy (shameless poke!).
😂 that's some justification. And serious spinning. I'm not mad. I'm seriously impressed. 😂
I am a fan of an AR9 pistol 4" barrel with SBA3 brace.
Love my Kel Tec Sub 2000 easy to carry around in and also shoots good
Excellent review between these guns! I appreciated your highlight on the "hybrid" choice for long range+ home defense, AR9 ftw.
I have the PC Carbine with a Strikefire 2 red dot that I keep in my go bag in the truck. I think it's perfect for those situations where you have no choice but to hoof it to get back home in the event of a natural or man-made disaster. I have matched it up with a Ruger security 9 and have several magazines which work in both as well as the Glock drop-in mag well in case I should come across some 9mm Glock mags.
My buddy has the Keltec and I have the PCC. We've shot both many times and he agrees the ruger is a much better shooter.
The 'backpack-ability' is super cool with the Keltec though.
So..... if you want to look cool: keltec. If you want a good firearm: ruger pcc.
Gotcha. 👍🏻
Have the Keltec sub2000 gen2 M-Series, love it. My only complaint: no last round hold open. If the ATF changes their minds about "arm braces", I should by safe. The Ruger PC Carbine is 9 on my short list. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Nice review, I own the Sub-2000 with all the MCARBO parts and that carbine is transformed into a great gun. It’s very accurate & the trigger is now crisp.
Good comparison of the strengths of these carbines. No firearm is perfect and each has its benefits and drawbacks.
I have the RUGER PC chassis carbine with: 1.) Midwest Industries "folding buffer adaptor", LBE buffer tube and the original MOE adjustable stock for a great FOLDING stock. 2.)M*CARBO Mini Brake, mag release button, bolt extractor and pins, bolt buffer pad, bolt hold-open lever but NOT the trigger mod. 3.)MAGPUL forearm QD socket, MBUS sights, AFG fore grip, K-2 pistol grip, one or two point QD sling, MOE adjustable stock. This PC runs like a clock and eats any ammo. But a carbine this heavy needs that sling.
-> TIP: Put a TACCOM or TANDEMKROSS ambidextrous dual lever safety on yer RUGER PC carbine. MUCH more ergonomic than that factory button safety.
I have an AR-15 because I feel like it's my patriotic duty. However, just going shooting with my sons or with friends and family I absolutely love the PCC. I'm also getting old so anything outside of 150 yards my eyes limit efficacy more than ballistics or firearm features. The PCC within 150 yards and a decent red dot there are no issues hitting a small clay 150- yards. I have the Ruger and the AR9 and honestly for newcomers to 2A they all seem to like the Ruger with the Glock receiver the best.
I'm still a fan of the Beretta CX4
I got an 8in. Ar9 from PSA, its my favorite gun. Fun af and i havs it set up for HD. Super reliable.
I have a sub 2000 with all internal Mcarbo upgrades. Great gun. I wish someone would come up with a decent buttstock. 0 jams with brass. All jams with aluminum.
I know, it feels like you're stepping on Lego's. Try a recoil pad. You'll get a larger surface area and it dampens some of the felt-recoil. ruclips.net/video/_dXMA5pGasU/видео.html
It's called the ruger pcc.
The Sub2K with the MCARBO upgrades wins all day. I got the M series from them, cant say enough good things about it.
One thing I would be specifically interested in, and was not addressed, is the relative amount of recoil between the three. I own a Gen 1 S2K, and have never had a complaint about its recoil, but it has a really heavy bolt and fairly sturdy recoil spring. Likewise, the Ruger's bolt design has been praised as mitigating recoil, but AR-9s in general have been criticized for their relatively heavy recoil. A comment on best-middle-worst, and their relative feel would be appreciated.
Recoil.. there 9mm ammo out of a 16 inch barrel should be very little to no recoil.
9mm PCCs should be light and short barreled. Otherwise what's the point of 9mm over 5.56. Thanks for sharing.
See if u can get an Extar 9 in the mix. $420 out the door. AR controls, less charging handle, takes Glock mag's, sub 3.7lbs.
On a lighter note my mcarbo parts upgrades make it a lot better gun!
i have an m-carbo-ed sub2k, the only thing i don't have is that flip optic mount. (Maybe during the next holiday sale.) My sub2k is a groundhog killer. i keep it on the lawn tractor while i am cutting grass
Awesome review. I purchased the Ruger PCC and I love it. I am having some difficulty finding a sling that will fit or any QD points for that matter. Do you have an suggestion?
I see nothing complicated about the Ruger. It is just different! Pull and that's it! Good video!
Kel tec sub all the way!! Best carbine I've owned and very easy to take anywhere!!
Do you really take it anywhere?
@@elche1976 sure it goes to the range with me I my go bag bc it can of course fold up it stays in the vehicle alot but the point is I can take it anywhere bc it being able to fold down
Love my kelly teccyy sub 2k 9mm it's one of my favorite guns to shoot. Very accurate for what it is. I have no problem at all hitting targets at 75yrds
Awesome video I'm going to be doing an AR9 build here pretty soon for SDi
Nice video... I have a WMD AR-9 and I was thinking to trade it with Ruger PC9 but after your video I won't anymore. Thanks!
I have both the sub2k and the ruger pcc. My pcc would have stovepiping issue if I used cheap ammo while my sub2k had no problem eating cheap ammo. My ruger jammed a few times but my sub2k never jammed. The ruger is heavy af while the sub2k is a few pounds easier.
Great review. Thanks!
My Sub 2000 is .40. Love it!!!!!! All the MCARBO guts.
Is breaking your grip to re engage the safety really an issue? If you are doing that then you are no longer in a high stress situation.
Oh man, I’ve got a Sub2K and have wanted to know how those other options compared! I hope you do a follow up shooting vid to compare their performance, time to deploy, shots on target, group sizes, etc.
Sorry. He's got no time for that now.
About a month ago, I got the Ruger PCC. Why? Because i read incredibly mixed reviews on the KelTec vs almost universal praise of the Ruger, and I very specifically did not want an AR platform. My PCC also very specifically does not have the MLOC for the same reason I avoided an AR.
Wouldn't it be great if Kel-Tec made a Sub 2000 pistol
It would be amazing.
I wish the gun was aluminum the added sturdiness is what makes me want a pc charger
@@sosilverraider7119 prior to the Sub 2000 they made a gun called The sub 9 and sub 40 which were made out of steel. Years ago I had a chance to buy the 9 mm but didn't. I've been regretting that decision for years. They do pop up on GunBroker every now and then. They usually cost more than the regular Sub 2000 but it's Corona 2020 now so the price will be in inflated more than usual.
Well the problem I see with all 3 carbines is they have features that are currently banned in 10 states. That is something these videos fail to mention. I have a Ruger PC9 in the MAGPUL stock. Currently the PC9 are flying off the shelves here in the Northeast and NY. Now that the Henry Homesteader has been released, we need a review of born again Marlin Camp Rifle concept 😊
I road trip quite a bit. And run the sub2k with mcarbo Mount. Its compact and compatible mags with my G26 for CCW.
Thanks
I’d rather have the Ruger without the QD barrel. I want something that is essentially a 10/22 in 9mm.
That ruger PCC weighs a metric ton lol
Cant handle the weight?
@@SuperSoleREAPER weighs more than that ar9
The Ruger pc9 is also too heavy for a 9 mm pistol caliber carbine.
@@SuperSoleREAPER can't handle criticism?
@@jungleno. as a real operator would say. Just get to training. Lol. I train with a M16A1 cant handle iron sights?
big problem with sub2k is field stripping - especially with the aftermarket parts- (charging handle)better bring a long screwdriver and a flashlight wth maybe it gets easier with practice but I find that the original charging handle is good enough. Great video btw
Man you gotta get your hands on an extar ep9. Trust me on this one.
This is the video I've been waiting for. Could have started off with the ar9 broken in half also
Had the Ruger, sold it and built my own AR9. I hate the takedown feature of the Ruger, accuracy was not consistent with optics mounted on the reciever. I mounted a red dot where the rear sight goes and then it was a tack driver. With the AR9 accuracy is always dead on and is more modular.
I’ve heard that quite a bit about the Ruger. I tightened the adjustment ring on mine where I really had to crank it down to get it to connect. I’m getting 2.5-3 moa at 100 with mine.
@ Jesse peebles As the saying goes: it's a poor craftsman that blames his work in his tools.
Get better without the red dot to fix your deficiencies.
I would love to know where you think a PSA AK-V would fall in here.
Great M*Carbo promotional video
I don't think it gets stated enough-- Mcarbo is the only thing that keep the Sub2k from being a niche platform. As an owner, it's an entirely uncomfortable experience in its base config and not red dot friendly. If you want what 704 had, be prepared to budget more.
Tandemkross has a PC carbine chassis with flared mag well & ambi mag release
I have several Ar-15's in various calibers, even budget 5.56 is a lot more expensive than 9mm. Shooting on my property lower velocity 9mm is cheaper and safer than 5.56. For this reason I purchased the Ruger pcc and I have no regrets. It is the perfect plinking rifle. I think it is unfair to compare customized Keltecs to the other 2. I have Keltec pistols and like the company but my experience of the std Sub 2k led me to purchase the Ruger
I like carrying either my Glock 34 long barrel 9mm or my Glock 41 long barrel 45...and keep a couple 33/27 round mags in my pack. Also, repair parts are available anywhere for the Glocks...not so much for the pcc's...just sayin'.
I have a sub 2000 gen 2 and it's fun. I need to get out more and shoot. Id love to get the upgrade for it. I wouldn't want to try doing it by myself. I'd rather have someone who knows what they are doing to set it up.
Sub 2000 w/red lion accessories, 40 cal, Glock 23 40 cal. Two guns, same magazine. Simple, easy, deadly.
What do you think about the Foxtrot Mike FM9, Aero precision EPC9 & Faxon Bantam? I would love to see you do reviews on all these 16" 9mm PCC's! I love your honest reviews & opinions!
Check his review of the Windham Weaponry AR9 GMC. I absolutely love mine, 9 inch barrel, handles and shoots like a dream
I don't own any of these, and haven't shot any, so this is guess work.
I would use the AR9 as a pistol and add a folding adapter to reduce the length.
I have that on my 300 blackout AR15 pistol.
Just got a PCC as my first rifle purchase ever ! Also an owner of two Glocks, so it just made sense. Gonna look into that Sub2000 also tho ! Is it California compliant ?! :/
Awesome review. Do any of these seem more reliable across more types of ammunition selection?
Think I'll stick with muh Hipoint carbine
I love mine but come with a gen 2 that takes Glock mags for petes sake.
One of the most slept on carbines IMO and I love mines but you can’t beat it with 9mm mags, lightweight, compact.
I have a sub2000 with all the mcarbo goodies but it fire when a friend was shooting it and they pulled the trigger and boom no more barrel 🥲 so bought a Ruger pcc :D
Impressive rapid fire 🤩
Seems the actual purpose of this video is to serve as a 7 minute long mcarbo advertisement. Could make a good drinking game- take a shot each time he says mcarbo!
I will always have a soft spot for the Sub2000. I have no doubt that the others are better shooters, but the Sub2k is very accurate, very lightweight, stupid reliable and you can stuff it anywhere and deploy it from there in 2 seconds. The m-carbo stuff is nice, but you don't need it and it is an extremely inexpensive weapon without it. I own several at this point. Its not my favorite gun, but its probably the gun I am most fond of if that makes sense.
I have an AR9 pistol.
It fills the void of home defense, truck gun, and backpacking gun by separating the lower and upper. I would love to try a law tactical folder to see if it would be solve the separating size limitations.
I have the sub 2k and the Ruger P.C.9 . My P.C. is one of the older designs without the pistol grip. I do haver the M*Carbo flip up sight mount on my sub 2k. While I like the way the sub2k shoots I like the P.C. better. The sub 2k has the tendency to break charging handles. I have broken two already, the one that came with the gun and a M*Carbo replacement. I now keep a spare charging handle in the backpack I keep the gun in.
My charging handle broke and I bought 2 because I know it will happen again. The first charging handle made it through 1500 rounds. I am glad keltec sells the charging handle at an honest price. Less than 7 bucks.
@ Larry McClure so.... ruger pcc > sub 2k.
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I love my SUB-2000. I would like to get one of the rugers
Battle of the 9s
Sub 2000 gen 2 in the od green love it
The sub is even faster without the mount. Just use a 45 degree mount.
First off. Love your channel! Alway great content and very detailed. Keep them coming. Now for my question. I am in the market for a PCC9. I had been leaning towards the Beretta CX4 Storm but after some additional research I have added the Sub2000 and the Ruger PC9 takedown to the mix. My intended use is the range and possibly home defense to go along with my FNS9. Have you had the opportunity to shoot the Beretta CX4 Storm? If so, what were your thoughts? If not, do you have any thoughts? I would love to have some additional information to help me with my final decision. Thanks.
Great review. Nobody mentions that for lefties, the sub2000 spits lots of unburnt powder into your face. So lefties really should wear shooting glasses. But mostly i just squint when i don't have them on. It's a bit of a nuisance really. I don't know if the Ruger does that.
For lefties, M*Carbo makes a a Kydex shell deflector. I trimmed mine a bit as all I need is to keep the particles from coming straight back.
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PC9, it got the M-Carbo treatment but I loved it before that happened
Is it a review on the 9mm pcc or a sponsorship for MCARBO lol
The latter I think.
Mesa Tactical needs to come up with a buttstock for the Sub 2k already.
have all three and like all for different reasons
I have the Gen 2 Sub 2K. But I'd be glad ti get a Ruger PCC!
Kel tec folder is best. The smith and wesson version is too butt heavy and seems like the barrel whips. Kel tec is so light and handy. Me get one.
What distance you recommend zero the kel-tec sub-2000 for all purposes such as survival, home defense, plinking??
I would rather have the extra weight of a better made weapon than anything KelTec makes.
I own one but I wouldn't bet my life with it either. My CX4 Storm has ZERO failures with ANY factory ammo.
Why don't you just come out and say "I'm a shill for mcarbo"?
Tacticool and other companies also make accessories and enhancements for the Kel-Tec SUB-2000. Why no mention of them?
Also the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is by far the lightest of all three!
Why no mention of the companies that did not modify the gun is your question? Seriously, why mention them, they didn't have part or labor on the gun!
Have Ruger pcc set up with Rainer Arms compensater and Rition 1x4 illuminated scope on offset mount real fun shooter no recoil
ar9 would be the best if it can be fired with folded stock like the sig mpx