@@anthonygonzales1027 I had one for the S&W 4006, Gen 1, When I sent it in for a Gen 2 Upgrade, I had them change it to 9mm and made it for a Glock 17 mag. The only reason .40 got a second life was the Pandemic, when everyone was buying anything that went bang!!.
@@lv9530 With modern ballistics, and good shot placement, 9 wins!! Why do I say that?? Most agencies went back to 9mm, that's why you can find surplus Glock 22's for such a cheap price now, again...
Yeah its a great all around gun. If you put a light or foregrip on it (to balance the weight since it weighs only 4 lbs out the box) it actually handles pretty well.
Well, that is a difficult question, the answer is with you, your training and what you're comfortable with!! How well do you shoot with it How fast can you deploy it in a stressful situation. Those and many other questions will make you decide.
I did it, it works, thanks!! I could have moved it one slot, but if you do two, like you said, works better, I'm using a Longer Tru Glo Red Dot, if I was using a shorter Aimpoint, I could have moved only one slot!!
Watched this video back when you guy's released it in June and I just picked up one of these sub2000 for myself this week as its been in my mind and my local G.S. got one in. *thumbsup*
Palmetto State Armory hsd them in sale last week for$469...pulled the trigger on the deal...it's coming to my FFL soon...nreded/wanted a truck/car gun fir my.travels around So FL
I just bought one last Sunday at the gunshow, wanted 1 for a long time...gonna keep it iron sights, the owners before me took the factory sight off and put AR style flip up sights on it with a birdcage flash hider. I wanted the factory sights but these have grown on me...I put it in my shooting bag when I go up to land I own and it's going to be my rugged woods carbine, nothing too fancy just a sling and maybe a few mcarbo upgrades...I like running iron sights on most things anyway.
@@yrsued yeah the flip up sights have definitely grown on me, you lose a little sight radius but it's nothing major. I'm going to upgrade to the stainless steel feed ramp and maybe extended charging handle but other than that going to keep it mostly stock.
Loved the video! Thanks for your post! On your friend Dave’s rifle, are those red magazine extensions? Does it give him more rounds? If so can you find out where he got them please? I just ordered the same rifle in a Glk19 configuration and would like to extend the mags but don’t know if aftermarket Glock mag extensions will fit on the Kel tec mags?
Hey!! Dave used the Magpul extended Mags, the come in black, but he painted the part of the mag that sticks out, it's not an extended base pad, just a painted extended mag
I love this weapon...I purchased this when they first came out for like $275 at gun show. Shot it a few times other than that sits in the box in the safe. I would love to get the 22 and the 40 to complete the set.
I use the Midwest T1 mounts on my Sub2k's with Primary Arms classic series red dots. I wanted to use SIG Romeo5 because that's my optic of choice, but even with the lower profile without the picatinny low mount on the R5 I couldn't get one to have the red dot low enough at the ranges I wanted to zero because of the height of it. The PA Classic works great, and are about $50 less than an R5. Only real downside is that they don't have the shake-to-wake, which is one of the reasons I love R5's so much and own 9 of them for other rigs. I've also been coming up with a way to use cheap parts to have an on-gun extended magazine holder. Using two-hole rubber MLOK grip/covers I slide a velcro buckle tie-down behind each on the front and back MLOK areas on one side, and use a cheap hand-stop on the front-facing one to keep the magazine from sliding out forward. The magazine's buttplate keeps it from sliding the other direction. It's a great way to easy keep an extra 33 rounds with the weapon, or I suppose 66 if you're really wanting to make it heavy :D
You seem to have figured out a really good kit there!! This is the beauty of these firearms, you can configure them in so many ways to fit your specific needs!!
I do not understand why the factory cannot make the folding mechanism like they put on the internally silenced one for the rest of them it is when they do that I will buy one
I usuall would never purchase a forgrip with a light however i did order a forgrip with the light on it for my 2000 gen 3. It will keep.it lighrer with the other add ons.
I honestly love the stuff from Midwest Industries, I know there are others out there, but I prefer a company that answers their phones when I call and not a message saying we will get back to you in 24-48 hours and they never do, that tells me they are not serious about my business!!
@@naznotnas861 I really like their scope/Red Dot Mounts!! The Comp I used is no longer made in that same manner, the new fancier model from TACCOM works great too. TandemKross makes a very nice comp too!!
@@naznotnas861 Nothing agains them, their customer service wasn't the best when I called trying to get stuff for a Guns & Ammo Article, they lost the chance, Midwest Industries got all the ink on a very nice 8 Page Article!!
No, the Midwest Industries mount DOES NOT Co-Witness, this is meant to be swiveled out of the way if the Red Dot dies on you so you can use your Irons. I hope this helps.
Great video 👍🏽 I purchased one of these weapons about 3 months ago, I spent the extra money for every upgrade you can imagine. It’s really fun shooting this weapon with almost no recoil, I had to put Talon grips on it, mine is a Glock 17, I have prefer the 27 round mags, it keeps the gun light, I have a 31 round mag but those original Glock mags are heavy for the 31 rounders. I installed a really small tactical light on the bottom rail, I use a Romeo 5 Red Dot 🔴, I ordered it directly from MCarbo, it was expensive but it’s worth it, I own a Hi-Point 995TS, great weapon but it’s heavy, haven’t touched it sense acquiring the Sub 2k
Compensators redirect Gasses Upwards and Sideways, depending on the comp to reduce Muzzle Flip and Recoil. They work more effectively with lighter bullets and slower burning powders.
@@marktate4466 Factory 9mm ammo has a fairly fast burning propellant, the difference is negligible. I put a comp on it because Why not... The Firearm has a threaded barrel and I had a comp sitting around.
Glad you mentioned that, I did that test with a Hellcat RDP and that wasn't the case!! I used the flashiest Ammo I could find and it shot it in almost complete darkness, in a situation I would NEVER fire a firearm, where it's so dark you would be violating Rule #4...
Are you sure? Lol, the pistol grip on the sub 2000 is basically the frame for the entire firearm, they don't make any new grips for the sub 2k, that would be like swapping an entire lower out for an AR, you might have got a new "grip" that was like a stick on or something 😅
I love my sub 2000 but the Midwest industries mount I bought was not good at all. It would not hold zero what so ever so I sent it back. I have a qd mount that works great. I like the red dot on it but it's way better with just the iron sights to me. Mine is also in .40
Having trouble finding the swivel Micro T-1 optics I see you using. Am looking to buy theSub2000 and want this optics for mine. Yes, I'm a newbe, but have a heart!
😅I'm my Gen takes smaller Glock 19 mag and up. Including the 17 and all the large sticks up to like the 30 some rounder sticks. The larger grip takes than all also but doesn't accept the shorter 15 g 19 mags. I love this gun. The most fun coolest gun yet. I find the factory sites work so good there is no reason to mess with rotating optic site mounts. The folding aspect of this gun is it's greatest attributes. You never see or read much about the cqc exaggerated silencer model? Wonder why ????😮
@@fyhnando5833 There is a $100 Rebate Check going on right now, prices vary, but, CDNN, Classic Firearms and PSA all have decent prices, check them out, then figure out that Kel-Tec will send you back $100
@@yrsued 2nd gen. It uses S&W mags 9mm. A guy I work with has a gen 1 40 S&W glock mag. He was shooting some Magtech ammo. One stuck in the barrel and the second rnd split the barrel and destroyed the forend. He was double tapping. Keltec fixed it no charge even after we told them it was an ammo issue.
Have you ever thought about contacting them?? All reputable companies have a very good warranty Mine is as tight as it was the day I installed it and I’ve already replaced the red dot once and moved the mount on the hand guard once
Mine's in .40cal and I Mcarbo'd everything. It shoots like a.22cal. Phenomenal. Glock 22 round magazines in a Hailey Strategic Chest Rig carrying 6 magazines for 132 total rounds. If I have to get out of my vehicle and fight or come to the rescue of a Law Enforcement Officer, I can pepper SPANK the bad guys. Spend the extra money, you won't regret it.
Since you never show the target, why take the time to explain why you are shooting low? LoL! Other than that, great video and your setup is vastly better then your friends, his makes no sense at all for this specific gun.
Friend Dave has some weird ideas. Anytime I see someone spray paint their gun I get sick to my stomach. With each use the paint will scratch and scrape and start looking like shit. No doubt the paint on that barrel has discolored and burnt off by now and the polymer is scratched up. If you have to customize the color then do it right - creakote. But not the barrel. I note he didn’t paint the optic, it’s mount, the light, the AFG or the threaded end of the barrel. Why? If you’re going to screw it up then screw it all up. Removed the sights? If the optic should fail or get damaged then he has nothing. He used an offset mount for the optic so as to not inhibit the gun’s folding feature and then mounted a light on top so the gun couldn’t be folded. The point of the offset mount is to allow the gun to fold. However, since the light has been mounted anyway, just mount the optic on top of the gun on a riser so it can see over the light. I like Dave’s optic and his AFG even though they would look better if there was some color matching going on here. Unless Dave has super long arms he should pull his AFG back. It will give him better control of the weapon and allow the light to be mounted in front of the AFG underneath the gun as intended. With the optic still on it’s offset mount the gun can then be folded as intended. Dave sure did customize his gun to his tastes. The problem is, he has bad taste. Why on earth would someone purchase a gun whose main feature is that it folds in half and then mount crap on it in such a manner that it can’t be folded? Dumb. I don’t think Dave understands that this gun is made for plinking, home defense or a truck/backpack gun. It’s not meant for guerrilla warfare. That’s what your AR-15 is for. (Please don’t paint the AR-15.) You did mention how comfortable Dave’s gun is to shoot when cocked over 45 degrees to use the red dot and you are correct. I find it to be very natural. Whiners complain that the flash, gas and brass are a distraction, but it is so minimal it’s hardly noticeable. As you can see in this video it is no problem at all. After all it is only 9mm. You have much better and more conservative taste. I like your Midwest Industries swivel mount. I used the same one before going to an offset mount. You might try ignoring the instructions that came with it and mount it forward one more M-LOK. I did this and it allowed me to fold my gun and swivel the optic in without locking the charging handle back and so eliminated the need for that dumb para cord. I like your optic and your compensator too. Your gator sleeve is a winner as well. Makes the cheek weld a tad more comfortable when you shoot and has the benefit of keeping the gun from grabbing and pulling the whiskers out of your face. Good job on the video. Taking your time and showing everything. I know it was unintentional, but it’s almost like you showed how an aggressive eclectic approach to modification can pretty much ruin a gun even when using decent expensive accessories while a conservative approach can improve the weapon. I’d say the only mistake you made was when you called the weapons “pistols” They are rifles. Pistol Caliber Carbines or PCC. I’ve had the MCARBO M-Series for three years and love the innovative little gun. The only accessories I’ve added, (I’m sure you know the M-Series came with a myriad of upgrades), are a Missouri Tactical butt-stock pad, an AFG and an offset mount with a small reflex red dot.
First things first it is his gun, so... How would you feel if I told you that what you did to YOUR gun made me sick?? Ya, think about it for a second there!! Dave got this gun and it is HIS Gun!!
You have a choice!! I was just recently diagnosed as a Type 2 Diabetic!! It is my choice to follow a diet and take my medication!! I could make the choice to say screw that and continue to eat carbs and sugar and not wake up at 0445 for a 4 mile walk!! That is MY Choice to remain healthy!!
@yrsued I found through experience, over equipping your gun makes no sense. You use your accessories except a scope 20% of the time so you have to carry what you don't need 80% of the time unless you don't walk.
Your friend Dave's optic setup makes no sense. If he has a light on top, he cant fold the gun, so why bother with an offset optic? He could just center the optic and not fold the gun ever... lol
@@yrsued I'm just saying if you cant fold the gun either way, why bother canting an optic? Its intentionally making the gun less ergonomic. lol But i guess you're right, hes probably not using a Sub2000 for self defense or anything.
@@BabyMachine My point is that it is NOT my gun and it is NOT MY place to tell ANYONE how to set up their guns!! FYI, it is NOT your place either!! I would NOT dare to tell you how to set up your gun or what parts to put or not to put in it!! Why?? Because it's YOUR gun, NOT mine!! YOu're happy with it, that's enough.
@@yrsued Well, fortunately there are proven tactics/gear setups in the real world. If your friend wants to run it the hard way, that's totally cool man. (Also, just a heads up, this comment section is enabled and the video is not private. The purpose of the comment section literally IS to hear my opinion. LOL 🤘Keep shooting m8)
@@BabyMachine That is fine and well... My point is that nobody has the right to tell anyone else how to set up their private property!! This is America, one does as they wish, as long as they don't break the law.
Nobody is forcing you to watch this, Like this or buy one of these.... This might be ridiculous to you, but tons of folks spend hundreds upgrading these!!
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Love this gun, got it in .40. Take it with me when I go hiking through the rockies. about 1500 rounds through it so far great pcc all around.
I agree, I had a .40 Gen 1 with a 4006 Magazine, great shooter!!
They have them chamber in 40 caliber?
@@anthonygonzales1027 I had one for the S&W 4006, Gen 1, When I sent it in for a Gen 2 Upgrade, I had them change it to 9mm and made it for a Glock 17 mag. The only reason .40 got a second life was the Pandemic, when everyone was buying anything that went bang!!.
@@yrsued 40 > 9
@@lv9530 With modern ballistics, and good shot placement, 9 wins!! Why do I say that?? Most agencies went back to 9mm, that's why you can find surplus Glock 22's for such a cheap price now, again...
"They make it in two different flavors."😂
Well, they do.....
Now that's what I call a good upgrade, I like the paint job, that's a good looking Carbine 9mm!!!
YUP, My buddy loves rattle canning stuff, I think his upgrades were very effective!!
Yeah its a great all around gun. If you put a light or foregrip on it (to balance the weight since it weighs only 4 lbs out the box) it actually handles pretty well.
It does, I had a grip once, took it out.
What is this sight swivel mount?
Midwest Industries, they make one for the Aimpoint Micro Sights and one for the Picatinni reflex sights
With that awkward charging handle a last round bolt hold open and bolt release would be a huge upgrade
Now, that would be a HUUUUUUGE upgrade!!
Not happening. It's design won't allow that. It however would be nice.😢
What red dot mount is that on your gun?
Mine is the black one, it has a Midwest Industries GEN2 SUB 2000 MINI OPTIC MOUNT
If I already have a handgun should I have this for first home defense rifle ? Debating on this or another pistol
Well, that is a difficult question, the answer is with you, your training and what you're comfortable with!!
How well do you shoot with it
How fast can you deploy it in a stressful situation.
Those and many other questions will make you decide.
if you put the MWI flip mount 2 slots forward you can store the gun with the bolt closed.
Really?? I need to try that now!! Thanks!! Let me get back with you on that one.
I did it, it works, thanks!! I could have moved it one slot, but if you do two, like you said, works better, I'm using a Longer Tru Glo Red Dot, if I was using a shorter Aimpoint, I could have moved only one slot!!
Watched this video back when you guy's released it in June and I just picked up one of these sub2000 for myself this week as its been in my mind and my local G.S. got one in. *thumbsup*
get the mcarbo scope mount dont get that trash he got
The Sub 2000 is a great choice for Customizing!!
Palmetto State Armory hsd them in sale last week for$469...pulled the trigger on the deal...it's coming to my FFL soon...nreded/wanted a truck/car gun fir my.travels around So FL
I like your accent! and you did a very good job explaining the different components for this firearm!
Accent?? What Accent?? ;)
You should hear me when I speak Spanish fast....
I just bought one last Sunday at the gunshow, wanted 1 for a long time...gonna keep it iron sights, the owners before me took the factory sight off and put AR style flip up sights on it with a birdcage flash hider. I wanted the factory sights but these have grown on me...I put it in my shooting bag when I go up to land I own and it's going to be my rugged woods carbine, nothing too fancy just a sling and maybe a few mcarbo upgrades...I like running iron sights on most things anyway.
I think this is a great backpack gun, I like the idea of the Flip Up sights!!
@@yrsued yeah the flip up sights have definitely grown on me, you lose a little sight radius but it's nothing major. I'm going to upgrade to the stainless steel feed ramp and maybe extended charging handle but other than that going to keep it mostly stock.
@@christopherlambert7423 I'm OK with the internals, but the sights need help!!
GOOD GUN KELTEC SUB 2000
VERY GOOD indeed!!
Loved the video! Thanks for your post!
On your friend Dave’s rifle, are those red magazine extensions? Does it give him more rounds? If so can you find out where he got them please? I just ordered the same rifle in a Glk19 configuration and would like to extend the mags but don’t know if aftermarket Glock mag extensions will fit on the Kel tec mags?
Hey!! Dave used the Magpul extended Mags, the come in black, but he painted the part of the mag that sticks out, it's not an extended base pad, just a painted extended mag
Btw, the red base pads don’t add capacity, just extended
They are Springer Precision
I love this weapon...I purchased this when they first came out for like $275 at gun show. Shot it a few times other than that sits in the box in the safe. I would love to get the 22 and the 40 to complete the set.
That would be a great Kit there!!
It doesn’t come in 22. I have both the 9mm and the 40 and would love it if they made a 22
@@jarvisandrews3617 YUP, me too!!
@@jarvisandrews3617 you are absolutely correct, after more researching it's a conversion kit. I'll have to dig a little too deeper now
Now the closest folding 22 I can think of would be the Chiappa little badger which is a cool little gun but only single shot.
What’s the scope name ?
Which gun?? I have two different Red Dots on two different guns
Frustrated Bc assembly after field strip putting the bolt back in is a nightmare. Any suggestions?
LOL, I have taken it apart once, that's it, putting the pin on the stock was the most difficult part for me!!
Make sure the trigger is charged or the bolt won't align properly.
So wear can I order a swivel mount for my red dot
Midwest Industries, they have them in stock!!
What did you put on your cheek weld?
Tandem Kross Gator Sleeve
It's a rubber tube, doesn't elevate it enough for a scope, red dot, etc.
I use the Midwest T1 mounts on my Sub2k's with Primary Arms classic series red dots. I wanted to use SIG Romeo5 because that's my optic of choice, but even with the lower profile without the picatinny low mount on the R5 I couldn't get one to have the red dot low enough at the ranges I wanted to zero because of the height of it. The PA Classic works great, and are about $50 less than an R5. Only real downside is that they don't have the shake-to-wake, which is one of the reasons I love R5's so much and own 9 of them for other rigs.
I've also been coming up with a way to use cheap parts to have an on-gun extended magazine holder. Using two-hole rubber MLOK grip/covers I slide a velcro buckle tie-down behind each on the front and back MLOK areas on one side, and use a cheap hand-stop on the front-facing one to keep the magazine from sliding out forward. The magazine's buttplate keeps it from sliding the other direction. It's a great way to easy keep an extra 33 rounds with the weapon, or I suppose 66 if you're really wanting to make it heavy :D
You seem to have figured out a really good kit there!! This is the beauty of these firearms, you can configure them in so many ways to fit your specific needs!!
Really like Dave's setup
I think there is NOTHING wrong with his setup!!
Alright I want one now
They are becoming more and more available and the prices are coming down!!
I do not understand why the factory cannot make the folding mechanism like they put on the internally silenced one for the rest of them it is when they do that I will buy one
That is a great question for Ken-Tek...
I usuall would never purchase a forgrip with a light however i did order a forgrip with the light on it for my 2000 gen 3. It will keep.it lighrer with the other add ons.
Everyone customizes their gun the way they want.
Purchased a sub about 2 months ago haven’t made any changes..looking to add a sight and sling what route should I take🤔
I honestly love the stuff from Midwest Industries, I know there are others out there, but I prefer a company that answers their phones when I call and not a message saying we will get back to you in 24-48 hours and they never do, that tells me they are not serious about my business!!
@@yrsued seriously tho ..I definitely have to check them out
@@naznotnas861 I really like their scope/Red Dot Mounts!! The Comp I used is no longer made in that same manner, the new fancier model from TACCOM works great too.
TandemKross makes a very nice comp too!!
@@yrsued I’ve heard M Carbo has some really good stuff too..I just don’t wanna add to much
@@naznotnas861 Nothing agains them, their customer service wasn't the best when I called trying to get stuff for a Guns & Ammo Article, they lost the chance, Midwest Industries got all the ink on a very nice 8 Page Article!!
Just picked my 2K up last week at my FFL..
This firearm is PERFECT for customization
Where did you get the offset from?
On the Painted one?? I will need to ask my buddy
Glad to see an update and a variation on the setups
We are still upgrading it..
Thanks for the video! Question. Is the Red Dot site Co witness to your front site? Or is it just higher in your shooting above it? Thank you
No, the Midwest Industries mount DOES NOT Co-Witness, this is meant to be swiveled out of the way if the Red Dot dies on you so you can use your Irons. I hope this helps.
Great video 👍🏽 I purchased one of these weapons about 3 months ago, I spent the extra money for every upgrade you can imagine. It’s really fun shooting this weapon with almost no recoil, I had to put Talon grips on it, mine is a Glock 17, I have prefer the 27 round mags, it keeps the gun light, I have a 31 round mag but those original Glock mags are heavy for the 31 rounders.
I installed a really small tactical light on the bottom rail, I use a Romeo 5 Red Dot 🔴, I ordered it directly from MCarbo, it was expensive but it’s worth it, I own a Hi-Point 995TS, great weapon but it’s heavy, haven’t touched it sense acquiring the Sub 2k
You made a REALLY good buy, glad you're enjoying it!!
I hear the Hipoint is super reliable but I wouldn't get caught with a gun that looks like Homer Simpson designed!🤣👍
@@ericdee6802 I sold my Hi-Point and picked up a 2nd Kel Tec, the Hi-Point is just too heavy…
At 5:09 ... funny ... I smiled.
We smile all the time too!!
What scope mount is that?
Midwest Industries GEN2 SUB 2000 MINI OPTIC MOUNT
Cool video. What dose the compensator do for you?
Compensators redirect Gasses Upwards and Sideways, depending on the comp to reduce Muzzle Flip and Recoil. They work more effectively with lighter bullets and slower burning powders.
Ok thanks, I didn't see any difference in recoil between the two guns, so it must be felt.
@@marktate4466 Factory 9mm ammo has a fairly fast burning propellant, the difference is negligible. I put a comp on it because Why not... The Firearm has a threaded barrel and I had a comp sitting around.
It looks cool if anything!
I would index ports to sides on compensator. In dim light muzzle flash would be blinding
Glad you mentioned that, I did that test with a Hellcat RDP and that wasn't the case!! I used the flashiest Ammo I could find and it shot it in almost complete darkness, in a situation I would NEVER fire a firearm, where it's so dark you would be violating Rule #4...
i bought mine two years ago. i put a pistol grip with a push button on it so its flush with the barrel to fit in my backpack. good video.
You purchased when these were cheap!! They did go up in price!!
Where did you buy the pistol grip for it from Tim ?
Got a link?
Are you sure? Lol, the pistol grip on the sub 2000 is basically the frame for the entire firearm, they don't make any new grips for the sub 2k, that would be like swapping an entire lower out for an AR, you might have got a new "grip" that was like a stick on or something 😅
@@mattkash310 they don't exist 😅 if you go to MCarbo they have stick on grips, and everything else you could ever dream of for your sub 2k
This likes his tastes n flavours lol
Flavors are very personal!!
I love my sub 2000 but the Midwest industries mount I bought was not good at all. It would not hold zero what so ever so I sent it back. I have a qd mount that works great. I like the red dot on it but it's way better with just the iron sights to me. Mine is also in .40
Too bad your MI mount didn't work, mine is still going strong and holding Zero, I just put a new Red Dot on it and it's holding zero very well
I did a Mcarbo upgrade 90 % complete. From plastic 2 steel. That's my upgrade
OK, everyone has their likes and preferences!! I'm happy with this stuff I have!!
Dave??? Dave??? Dave's not here...
Is Dave There??
No man, this is Dave...
@@yrsued ...this could go on forever...
@@mohammedcohen
We can to to Sister Mary Elephant or Basketball Jones....
Thanks! Great information.
Our pleasure
Great general information! What I really enjoyed was the longer and more detailed content. Nice!
We often do longer content, I might do it more often!!
Having trouble finding the swivel Micro T-1 optics I see you using. Am looking to buy theSub2000 and want this optics for mine. Yes, I'm a newbe, but have a heart!
The Aimpoint T1 is mounted on a Midwest Industries Swivel Mount, you can find the mount on the Midwest Industries Web Site...
@@yrsued thanks Yamil
@@raymondelmore8903 My pleasure
😅I'm my Gen takes smaller Glock 19 mag and up. Including the 17 and all the large sticks up to like the 30 some rounder sticks. The larger grip takes than all also but doesn't accept the shorter 15 g 19 mags. I love this gun. The most fun coolest gun yet. I find the factory sites work so good there is no reason to mess with rotating optic site mounts. The folding aspect of this gun is it's greatest attributes. You never see or read much about the cqc exaggerated silencer model? Wonder why ????😮
Yes, Dave's take the smaller Mags, that one is more versatile!!
Had a coworker that showed me the sub2000 cause he wanted one and this video makes me want one too😂
Get one, shop around before you buy!! You don't want to over pay!!
After a while it feels and looks cheap to me
Fun lil gun tho
@@isanmoldonado4587 Most of those who own one, love it. I love mine.
@@yrsued what do you think a good buy would go for in 2023 and what would be over paying?
@@fyhnando5833 There is a $100 Rebate Check going on right now, prices vary, but, CDNN, Classic Firearms and PSA all have decent prices, check them out, then figure out that Kel-Tec will send you back $100
Love the sub2000 Glock version. It's a very unrated weapon. Well over 4000 rounds through mine and never had a malfunction.
They never do!! I have yet to have ANY malfunction on mine!!
I was not expecting such a noise difference in the two just for one having a comp and one not.
9mm out of a carbine is not loud at all!!
@@yrsued In what world is 9mm out of a carbine not loud? Plus he was taking about the difference in sound between the two rifles.
@@johnjacob688 It's not less loud, but the muzzle being farther away from you makes a difference.
There was no difference lol
@@ryan-eric3336 There was definitely a difference in sound between the two riffles.
I picked up a used one a few years ago. I haven’t shot it a lot but I really enjoy it.
It's one fun carbine!! What generation did you get? 1st or 2nd??
@@yrsued 2nd gen. It uses S&W mags 9mm. A guy I work with has a gen 1 40 S&W glock mag. He was shooting some Magtech ammo. One stuck in the barrel and the second rnd split the barrel and destroyed the forend. He was double tapping. Keltec fixed it no charge even after we told them it was an ammo issue.
@@161Sheriff You know, if he wanted, he could upgrade to a Gen 2 for little over $150, at least that used to be the deal, it might be more now!!
I always enjoy your presentations and this is another.
Thanks for watching!!
just got mine last week, Gen2 .40 (Glock mags) - cant wait to shoot it!!!
You will enjoy it!!
Cool ! How much$
@@vikingored7469 I paid $399 for mine
New sub here. Just purchased mine. I have some great ideas for mods, will post a video when done. Thanks for the video.
The mcarbo optic mount is much better. No need for a rope to keep your bolt from breaking your optics.
Your choice, this one is mine!!! Mostly for Customer Service and Communication...
I just don't understand what you said what Dave did for the Sub to accept both Glock mags. Is it an adapter for the mag well? Thank you!
No, the gun comes for either Glock 19 or 17, mine of for the 17, Dave's is for the 19, he painted his and did all sorts of things to it!!
@@yrsued Thank you Yamil!!
From what it looks like, your buddies can fold as well, since the RDS is offset. Am I guessing that right?
Nope, the light will prevent him from locking it closed.
@@18wheeler77 Yep, the build literally makes no sense. lol
Super video, maybe flopping the 45' sight to the other side would be better.
You have to test where you want your sights to go, Try different positions and distances until you find yourself comfortable with your setup!!
@@yrsued My Sub2000 G19 has beed sitting on the safe without any upgrades. It is just not fun to shoot.
@@WheeledandWellArmed Why not?? What bothers you about it?
@@WheeledandWellArmed aka you’re one of those corny dudes that worships the AR platform, and you probably have more guns than sense.
trigger finger!!
Your trigger discipline is terrible. Nice guns though.
Seriously. At 3:28 he was repeatedly pressing on the trigger.
@@johnjacob688 Lol that's crazy
Thanks!
What did I do??
Did I mention it's a GEN 1
No you didn't!!
I mean, what’s the point of having an offset red dot if you still have a light preventing you from folding it?
I didn't make that one, I just borrowed it!!
@@yrsued I know.
@@18wheeler77 I think Dave wanted a light and he put it where he thought would work best, I might add a light somewhere on the side or bottom.
I will never buy a Sig optic again. They don't hold zero.
You would be shocked on who's SIG OEM...
@@yrsued I don't wanna be fkn shocked. I want reliability.
@@parabolicpawn What is your favorite then??
that Midwest mount is crap. The pivot loosened up after a few hundred rounds taking it out of zero with no way to tighten it back up
Have you ever thought about contacting them??
All reputable companies have a very good warranty
Mine is as tight as it was the day I installed it and I’ve already replaced the red dot once and moved the mount on the hand guard once
That thing would fit very nicely in a tennis racket bag or Trader Joe’s grocery bag.
Backpack for me!!
Mine's in .40cal and I Mcarbo'd everything. It shoots like a.22cal. Phenomenal. Glock 22 round magazines in a Hailey Strategic Chest Rig carrying 6 magazines for 132 total rounds. If I have to get out of my vehicle and fight or come to the rescue of a Law Enforcement Officer, I can pepper SPANK the bad guys. Spend the extra money, you won't regret it.
I like it just the way it is now!! NO extra money paid!!
@@yrsued enjoy, I like mine. I'm in 🐻 bear country, I'd like to see a 10mm.
@@dannysmith9217 It is Bear country just about 20 miles north of my house, a 10mm would be interesting!!
@@yrsued where do you live??? Are you a Spanish speaker???
@@dannysmith9217 Arizona, for a while now, but I have moved 7 times in the past 41 years. Yes, Spanish is my first language.
Slighted red dot with no irons. Um sure
This is America after all, your gun, your choice!! This is NOT my gun, I don't make choices for other folks!!
Your megajin bay
Since you never show the target, why take the time to explain why you are shooting low? LoL! Other than that, great video and your setup is vastly better then your friends, his makes no sense at all for this specific gun.
Because for a carbine, ten yards is too close, didn't want to bother with a target so close, I will take this out to 25 yards and shoot steel with it
Friend Dave has some weird ideas. Anytime I see someone spray paint their gun I get sick to my stomach. With each use the paint will scratch and scrape and start looking like shit. No doubt the paint on that barrel has discolored and burnt off by now and the polymer is scratched up. If you have to customize the color then do it right - creakote. But not the barrel. I note he didn’t paint the optic, it’s mount, the light, the AFG or the threaded end of the barrel. Why? If you’re going to screw it up then screw it all up. Removed the sights? If the optic should fail or get damaged then he has nothing. He used an offset mount for the optic so as to not inhibit the gun’s folding feature and then mounted a light on top so the gun couldn’t be folded. The point of the offset mount is to allow the gun to fold. However, since the light has been mounted anyway, just mount the optic on top of the gun on a riser so it can see over the light. I like Dave’s optic and his AFG even though they would look better if there was some color matching going on here. Unless Dave has super long arms he should pull his AFG back. It will give him better control of the weapon and allow the light to be mounted in front of the AFG underneath the gun as intended. With the optic still on it’s offset mount the gun can then be folded as intended. Dave sure did customize his gun to his tastes. The problem is, he has bad taste. Why on earth would someone purchase a gun whose main feature is that it folds in half and then mount crap on it in such a manner that it can’t be folded? Dumb. I don’t think Dave understands that this gun is made for plinking, home defense or a truck/backpack gun. It’s not meant for guerrilla warfare. That’s what your AR-15 is for. (Please don’t paint the AR-15.)
You did mention how comfortable Dave’s gun is to shoot when cocked over 45 degrees to use the red dot and you are correct. I find it to be very natural. Whiners complain that the flash, gas and brass are a distraction, but it is so minimal it’s hardly noticeable. As you can see in this video it is no problem at all. After all it is only 9mm.
You have much better and more conservative taste. I like your Midwest Industries swivel mount. I used the same one before going to an offset mount. You might try ignoring the instructions that came with it and mount it forward one more M-LOK. I did this and it allowed me to fold my gun and swivel the optic in without locking the charging handle back and so eliminated the need for that dumb para cord. I like your optic and your compensator too. Your gator sleeve is a winner as well. Makes the cheek weld a tad more comfortable when you shoot and has the benefit of keeping the gun from grabbing and pulling the whiskers out of your face.
Good job on the video. Taking your time and showing everything. I know it was unintentional, but it’s almost like you showed how an aggressive eclectic approach to modification can pretty much ruin a gun even when using decent expensive accessories while a conservative approach can improve the weapon. I’d say the only mistake you made was when you called the weapons “pistols” They are rifles. Pistol Caliber Carbines or PCC.
I’ve had the MCARBO M-Series for three years and love the innovative little gun. The only accessories I’ve added, (I’m sure you know the M-Series came with a myriad of upgrades), are a Missouri Tactical butt-stock pad, an AFG and an offset mount with a small reflex red dot.
First things first it is his gun, so... How would you feel if I told you that what you did to YOUR gun made me sick?? Ya, think about it for a second there!!
Dave got this gun and it is HIS Gun!!
The whole purpose of this gun is the compactness of folding. Why wouldn't just buy a different carbine?
Mine folds, perfectly well, Dave's didn't, his gun, his choice!!
Buddies gun can't fold like it's supposed to with the light. And for yours look into the m Carbo in my opinion is better than the Midwest industry.
All I can say is that I'm happy with the MI Mount. They actually answer the phone and talk to you. When I had a question, they were there for me.
@@yrsued Cool
"Please be healthy"
Humm, like we have a choice either way
You have a choice!! I was just recently diagnosed as a Type 2 Diabetic!! It is my choice to follow a diet and take my medication!! I could make the choice to say screw that and continue to eat carbs and sugar and not wake up at 0445 for a 4 mile walk!! That is MY Choice to remain healthy!!
Too much equipment!
First, you never have too much gear
Second, this is NOT YOUR gun, One is Mine, the other one belongs to a Magazine Editor, HIS Choice, NOT YOURS!!
@yrsued I found through experience, over equipping your gun makes no sense. You use your accessories except a scope 20% of the time so you have to carry what you don't need 80% of the time unless you don't walk.
@@christophergeoghegan5719 For me, I have a comp and a Red Dot, FWIW, my gun, the black one is NOT equipped the same way anymore.
Your friend Dave's optic setup makes no sense. If he has a light on top, he cant fold the gun, so why bother with an offset optic? He could just center the optic and not fold the gun ever... lol
Ya, he knows nothing about guns... Oh wait, he is my Editor at Guns & Ammo... It is his gun and he likes it!!, so.....
@@yrsued I'm just saying if you cant fold the gun either way, why bother canting an optic? Its intentionally making the gun less ergonomic. lol But i guess you're right, hes probably not using a Sub2000 for self defense or anything.
@@BabyMachine
My point is that it is NOT my gun and it is NOT MY place to tell ANYONE how to set up their guns!! FYI, it is NOT your place either!!
I would NOT dare to tell you how to set up your gun or what parts to put or not to put in it!! Why?? Because it's YOUR gun, NOT mine!!
YOu're happy with it, that's enough.
@@yrsued Well, fortunately there are proven tactics/gear setups in the real world. If your friend wants to run it the hard way, that's totally cool man.
(Also, just a heads up, this comment section is enabled and the video is not private. The purpose of the comment section literally IS to hear my opinion. LOL 🤘Keep shooting m8)
@@BabyMachine That is fine and well... My point is that nobody has the right to tell anyone else how to set up their private property!! This is America, one does as they wish, as long as they don't break the law.
This guy in annoying to listen too. Lol. But a good review
Sorry my voice and my accent bother you, but we take reporting firearms seriously, thanks for noticing that.
This is ridiculous.
Nobody is forcing you to watch this, Like this or buy one of these.... This might be ridiculous to you, but tons of folks spend hundreds upgrading these!!
Your friends sub2000 is far from perfect.
But it is his, NOT yours!!! For him, this is what he wanted!! I doubt he will tell you what to do with YOUR property!! I would NOT do that either!!