I saw his old band using tracks around 10 years ago. This means laptops have been staples. This means, having a backup laptop is critical. Seriously, they had to cancel shows because they don't have a 500 dollar backup laptop. No way they need a gaming type laptop to run whatever they are. Now, most local bands bring way over 500 dollars in backup equipment; just being a logico, not an emo...
LMFAO! You didnt know who Eddie Trunk was till around 6 months ago. Dude, just stop it already. One Donald Trump saying "you never hrd of the guy" is plenty! You like rock music & are over 30 for christ sakes!!! I promice you, theres zero street cred with "the kids" lol saying you never hrd of Mr Trunk till recently.
@@ronniepatterson2827 Finn Mc Kenty has a Satanic Brutal Death Metal band that uses 22 $4500 Laptops to make the sound more devastating and Heavy. He is pushing the boundaries of Extreme Metal way beyond mere human limitations
Eddie Trunk has been throwing a fit for the past 20 years over the replacement guys in KISS wearing the old guys makeup. I’m genuinely surprised he’s even heard of a newer band lol
I don't know about a chainsaw solo, but I do know that The Blackheart Procession used a saw to perform a solo. One of the most haunting tracks I have ever heard!
These boomers do not understand what Ronnie is saying. He’s talking about tracks. Tracks for his bands synths, trap drums, etc. laptops are also needed for the lighting, timing, you name it. Old boomers are thinking he needs to lip sync and that is just not the case at all.
Yet Eddie Trunk does not shits on Judas Priest and Motley Crue for doing the same thing. And worse, he does not say a single word about KISS doing full PLAYBACKS/LIP SYNCING their shows. Fuck Eddie Trunk.
That's the disconnect that neither side of this war seems to understand. Ronnie is talking about backing tracks, and these old heads are talking about tracks that play the entire song so the band can just fake it. Neither side seems to realize they're just talking right past each other
And most importantly, their IEM mix is on those laptops. They probably could have done a stripped down raw version of their songs, but then you have to ask 2 questions. Does the FIR audience want that? And how much would the preparation for that cut into their stage time because when it comes to festival gigs, what makes them go so smooth is the fact that the band has laptops with their settings on it, so basically, they plug in, do a line check and go. The quickest way to get up there, have everything ready, including lights monitor mix and everything is having everything setup in laptops.
The same Boomers in the early '80s thought that the the people and Depeche mode, the Human League and New Order didn't do anything besides the lead singer these people actually thought the synthesizer created the music itself.
@@EraVulgarity the coolest part of Jackyl's career, imo, was when they protested against K-mart for not selling their album due to explicit content, and then rolled up on a flat bed to perform outside a K-Mart, which they filmed and were arrested as a result. 🤣
He might as well, his band blows, and won't even be around in 20 years, someone needs to tell him that Emo music was gone by 2010 and no one wants to hear it anymore
That's about the only talent he has Sebastian just doesn't have any more time for his games... because he's out there actually singing live no tapes no fakes....boo hoo milk spilled on my laptop I have to cancel the show what's next I forgot to charge it LOL his excuses as lame as he is
Falling In Reverse played Inkcarceration earlier this year. 3 or 4 times during their set, there were people who were injured and Ronnie actually would stop and make sure paramedics could get to them. No other band during Inkcarceration did that. Not a huge fan of Falling In Reverse, but I got respect for Ronnie for that
@@jynxycats No, there was someone injured like every other band. Saw a dude get nailed right in the face with one of those hard plastic beer bottles from the front of the crowd and Saint Asonia just kept on playing
Finn you're wrong, if Ronnie cared less about what a out of shape 50 year old man threatening him on the internet had to say about using laptops we wouldn't have gotten those absolutely hilarious memes. The biplane meme had me dead, I actually laughed out loud. Ronster got him good with those
@@ShadowOfDeath33 brought dad and uncle use to listen to this exact song like over and over in our house that in every room there was a 4 to 5ft tall Jensen speaker.
On the nine inch nails rig rundown they explain how guitar tones changes, lighting effects, backing tracks, and click tracks and a bunch of other things are all loaded into a computer system for their live gigs. This would help people understand why the computers are so critical for bands.
Well, NIN also gets a bit more credit and has more clout in this instance. I'd understand if something by Trent Reznor was a bit more involved as far as computer driven audio. He actually has artistic talent, and knows what he's doing.
Name one time NIN canceled a show that people paid hard earned money for because a laptop wouldn't work. If its so important why would they not have a back up laptop? FIR just seems lazy or stupid af.
As a boomer I can honestly say I appreciate the musicians who play in falling in reverse. Just turned 50. Official Boomer, remember the debut of "youth gone wild"
If you're 50, then you're Gen X. Your generation stays with you for life. Unless, you're just using the term metaphorically, which is the way most people use it, lol.
I also would imagine that if this modern tech was around during the 80’s in full swing, it would for sure have been utilized to it’s fullest by all of the top tier bands.
we didn't have it so we had to learn to play something, now that everyone can just use a computer the market is saturated with these no talent losers, someone needs to tell Ronnie that all the emo girls grew up and don't listen to whiney poser music anymore
And that would have been sad. It's not that it's common or long-standing, it's just too bad that we demand such perfection from these musicians that they'd need a track. The drummer having a computer as a metronome or to change sounds or using a computer to trigger guitar pedals being is absolutely not a problem though. This dude talking about Millennial or Gen Z kids having grown up listening to SR is kind if funny though.
@@JustJoshLTRB exactly, and bands in the 80's and 90's had droves of assistant engineers meticulously cutting tape, editing on early DAW systems, using pitch wheels on keyboards and sampler devices to tune tracks, etc. The idea that older music was not edited to the extent that it could be at the time is a fantasy.
If you're born after 1958, you're technically not a boomer. Also, Jackyl was the Steel Panther of the 90's, they don't take themselves serious. Things like the chainsaw solo was designed to be cringy, that's Jackyl.
I actually like Jackyl. They're a fun live show. Very much, a party band that doesn't take themselves seriously at all. I'd put their live show up there with Steel Panther, at least when I saw them like 15 or so years ago. "Down On Me" is a pretty solid rock song, too. But yeah, I'm down with how this "Laptop Gate" shit is stupid. I think the only real criticism would be: Why didn't they have a backup that was kept by a separate crew member?
Not only does Kiss lip synch and uses instrumental tracks their legendary live album Alive isn't actually live. It's has canned audience noise and it's actually just them doing their songs in one take without and vocal overdubs other than the four of them singing in harmony.
I went to that festival for Falling in Reverse, still went because the tickets were non refundable. Was really looking forward to seeing them live. I will say though Jackyl doesn't take themselves seriously at all and they're honestly just a party band, I don't think that band is as stuck up as many classic rock fans who worship Queen and Aerosmith are.
that first Jackyl record is a damn good time, and I'll stand by it. Poor bastards didn't do anything and they get dragged in here and shit on because of Eddie Trunk 😆😆😆
Yes! They canceled 24 hours before, I can't believe they couldn't get new laptops and figure out something in that time frame. I am one of.those.who got a chainsaw solo instead of fir, and I enjoyed the hell out of it because they showed up!
I once met Sebastian Bach at a biker rally I was working at. He was coked out of his mind and wouldn’t stop telling everyone who he was. Literally nobody cared.
In fairness, the chainsaw solo is actually pretty creative. If it's done on a real chainsaw, it would take quite a bit of testing and control to determine and utilize the tonal range of a chainsaw effectively...
Yet he does not shits on Judas Priest and Motley Crue for doing the same thing. And worse, he does not say a single word about KISS doing full PLAYBACKS/LIP SYNCING their shows. Fuck Eddie Trunk.
well let me ask you something then, suppose you paid $200 to see your favorite band, and when you got there it was just a computer, you would be p**sed too
I know in 1990, maybe 1991, Firehouse used to use a DAT player to pump out backing vocals. To be fair, I'm sure everyone on stage is playing their instruments and singing their parts, but the backing vocals were studio quality and perfect. Not to mention Nine Inch Nails has been using backing tracks their entire career. Backing tracks and laptops have been in rock n roll for a very long time.
yep sure has, but if the expectation is $200 per ticket for a laptop to play, I would rather stay at home, live means live, if I want to hear a CD I can buy it once for $20 and play it forever
The backing vocals part just sounds ... weird af though, especially when they're super clean and perfect. Have your band members sing, they're in the band too. The point shouldn't be that these bands use them to make their music, but that they're absolutely helpless without, and have no conceivable alternative as if the songs would not be physically possible, or listenable, without these few elements. That is 0% true. In the entire history of live music, gonna guess artists have somehow achieved this once or twice.
@@jynxycats I think in the case with Firehouse, they were singing, they were just singing along to a track. They still have to be in key, or it will sound off. I think FH layered their backing vocals a lot in the studio to almost make it sound like a choir, so to preserve that live, they had an accompanying track to fill in the blanks, since each member can't physically do their vocals twice like in the studio. I personally prefer the rawness of just them singing, but I get why they wanted to do it.
Look, my wife and I have 3 bands and 2 of those are JUST myself and her playing to backing drum tracks. If you are in a band, YOU ARE AN ENTERTAINER! It doesn't matter if you use backing tracks so long as you're entertaining! One idea that I have toyed with is having a big crash symbol on a stand mic'ed in the middle of the floor and have anybody who wants to play along with the beat and kind of trade off through the audience. It's a great way to include the audience as well as make memories for them cuz let's face it most of us are only playing to 5-50 people a night. I think laptops are absolutely amazing and give my wife and I's band's the ability to play out more!
Finn Mckenty be like: “I’d be happy to say something critical about a genre” “But I don’t want to put down individuals because it’s just not what I want to do with my life” Then proceeds to do that with his life by putting down a band unprovoked that simply filled in for another band. Walking contradiction if I’ve ever seen one…
I think both sides are right and wrong. Bands use backing tracks for click, for lights, for intro/outro music and more. But rock bands SHOULD still be able to perform without them. Sure, it may not be the show the band wants because it's meant to "enhance" as they say, but why can't they just performa a single show without the laptop? It would be raw and probably really awesome IMO. I saw Wolfie Van Halen earlier this year and his band was missing a guitarist for the show. He said he could have had it played through a track or cancelled, but he didn't want to do either so he took the time to adjust his own guitar parts to make a sound that was raw, live, and close to the album as he possibly could by himself. The result was an awesome and unique show that the fans appreciated.
one of the worst mistakes I ever made in my life was joining a boomer metal Facebook group (which I wasn't aware of at the time) talking about symphonic deathcore bands holy shhh the heat I got for that 🤣🤣🤣some old heads will never understand
Jackyl actually wrote some pretty good rock 'n' roll songs....good live show I am pretty sure Aerosmith has a full time keyboard player live (*might* explain the piano still playing with Tyler standing on it 🤷)
People like Eddie Trunk haven't left the 80's. He thinks there is no music after 80's. I grew up listening to 80's music but for me it is nostalgia. People I went to high school with still listen to 80's almost exclusivly. Eddie is not the only one!
Eddie Trunk is outdated and closed minded. Dude would shit, if He listened to Black Metal along with Death Metal being it was Heavy Metal as a genre going through changes being good/bad He's stuck in the 80's Radio Metal Era.
You could've defended Ronnie without shitting all over Jackyl in the process. Not only were they not involved in the beef but they are a really fun band to see live. The guys in Jackyl are very good guys and have been making music for decades and deserve some respect.
@@glitter404 What does that have to do with what I said? Some people like a band and some don't, that's personal preference and not worth arguing about. I'm saying the cheap shots Finn took were completely uncalled for because Jackyl wasn't involved in the Twitter spat. He plays a few seconds of the silly Lumberjack song and says they are the worst band ever knowing damn well many followers of his have no clue who they are or have heard any of their music.
He shat on jackyl for the purpose of calling out eddie trunk for being an out of touch boomer. Also, jackyl sucks ass. Idc how good of people they might be.
Would be advisable to have a backup on the cloud or on a memory drive. Shocking that they cancel shows just because of stolen laptops. Can happen any time.
Jesse James Dupree owned the Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis for years..they put on great shows with lots of entertainment. They had some good songs. Always a fun time.
Gotta say, Finn; I’d take Jackyl over Falling In Reverse any day. I’m 45, so I don’t think I’m a Boomer. It’s all relative though, and I still respect you. BTW, I think Ronnie is right about the hypocrisy.
I just remember eddie trunk as a serial name dropper. Most of TMS was him reminiscing about hanging out with (insert iconic metal musicians here) times however many names he can remember.
Most guitar/bass players also use laptops for their tone. I’m guessing few/no bands use outboard “rack” gear on-stage anymore - laptops replaced all that.
I think a better analogy would be "Driving a Car without Automatic shifting." You CAN learn how to ride stick, and back in the day people only had stick. But that doesn't make u less of a racer using automatic. (Although using stick can be inpressive)
No race car has automatic shift:) I don’t think music should be compared to a race, I don’t want to hear IF Joe Satriani (just an example) can play his incredibly technical solos live, I want to listen to him AS he plays them live. If he needs help, he should take it.
@@krokovay.marcell that's fair to not call it a race. I was more comparing the artisty of making music with the artistry of driving professionally! And thats interesting to know that racecars don't use automatic! I just think that people often use samples to "not have to bring a sitar on stage" as Finn said. But how awesome is it when they actually do bring a sitar on stage? I think sample are used for easiness but it's always better to have the actual thing. Especially because then it allows for variation, which is one major point of a live setting. Often with sampled songs, there is little to no variation.
I think Eddie's point was to just bite the bullet and go play the show, but went about it in the worst way possible. Seriously that argument was terrible by Trunk/Bach.
The Jackyl bit made me laugh. I work for a Harley-Davidson shop and Harley does a contest with Jesse James Dupree, the lead singer of Jackyl, every year. That was literally the first time I've ever heard of him or the band.
I mean I agree and disagree. You can find an alternative to play songs without certain elements that was used in the recording but obviously it wouldn't be the same. Also, using pre recorded samples to be able to recreate every single aspect of the song in a live set sounds great too. The whole dilemma for rock fans is maybe just maybe it would be great if you know how to do both. Play with your samples and whole structure also knowing how to make the show happen without it. If i have bought a tix to see that show and figure out that they cancelled it because they cant play a version of their songs without using their pre recorded samples it would make me feel like. Really duude? come on? Ronnie is really talented and his band too they could've done it if they wanted to.
I'm not gonna die on the Sebastian Bach hill but the first two Skid Row records are really good. I remember that t-shirt being cringe even at the time, but we had Andrew Dice Clay-type humor etc. as well and the times were just different. Watch an Eddie Murphy special from the 80s. It is interesting to see Axl Rose being really woke as well now having written "One In A Million". This Bach interview in a record store is very wholesome: ruclips.net/video/dSGw8S8SMJ8/видео.html Not to sound completely boomer-ish at 44 but why are there no more live albums, and will that ever be a thing again? It would be cool to hear bands reinterpret their studio material for what they're able to do on the road; I think it would make the shows more exciting as well.
Many many concert venues I've performed at over the years are often shocked that my band doesn't use tracks. It's widely known in the business that the MAJORITY of all genres are using tracks now and heavy music you likely won't find 1 that doesn't.
No, finn isn't a pretentious crybaby douchebag who says shit to make ppl hate him, then cry victim and racism bullshit. AK is a tool. He talks about ppl exploiting the culture but yet HE BLEW UP from his series called 'The War in Chiraq' he literally got famous off of black kids shooting each other 😂
Ronnie Radke is about 5'2 and 120lbs....Sebastian is nearly 6'7 and 250lbs at this point in time and known for leaping off stage to fight half the audience.....Radke and the weird language he speaks would get stomped into the damn ground.
Yeah, maybe Ronnie got caught up in the drama and spent a bit too long on it in this case, but fuuuuck did he came out on top.. Those @sebastianbach posts cracked me up! Team boomer didn't realize they'd walked into the social media equivalent of a rap battle and lost BADLY. If someone's had serious anger issues in the past & is working on it, roasting clowns online and getting massive amounts of free press is a pretty healthy outlet IMO!
I think it is important to note that Sebastian and Eddie are not the spokesman for older folks, if Falling in Reverse wants to play a computer, I say let them, and I will take my money and go see Slipknot or Megadeth and then the market can decide if these guys have staying power or not, I say not, Emo was played out by 2010
@@w8kdzradio113 Megadeth seems to be doing quite well and seems to manage to evolve just fine from 83 up until now and I'd expect to see a band that's gone 40 years to evolve with the technological changes thrown at the industry. Keeping things the same isn't good, it just starts to stagnate. I'm a Gen-Xer and its fun to just listen to a playlist of different bands or even the same bands esp those with keep on going to just see the progress and change they go through out the years.
I see where ronnie is coming from, but it would have been cool if they would have made something work like an acoustic show. In my case I'm more there for the artist rather than the proformance.
There needs to be a discussion about who is using tracks to enhance the performance and who is using tracks as the performance. The trunk was one of the first ones to pile on Kiss for going full-on Milli Vanilli and I'll support that stance. I'm not paying to see anyone lip-synch. But what a lot of musicians are doing now is no different than what most bands did during Trunk's era when they hid keyboard players and backing singers behind the stage.
lol Jackyl! I remember when I was first getting into metal and I read some description of them that made them sound interesting. I listened to about a minute of one song and forgot about them forever...until just now
I talked to a guy at a beartooth show showing me on his phone that he has a A barstool that Jackyl split in half with a chainsaw like it was a holy grail
What if Jackal's chainsaw solo was just a dead prop swinging around to a soundbite from a laptop? Would it still be fun knowing that? We have a world filled with terrible edm dj's, overpriced pop stars that lip sync in arenas, and rappers who can barely rap-along with training wheel vocal tracks. Milli Vanilli would have thrived in this era.
I remember when the lead singer of Jackyl appeared on the Tom Green show and chainsawed up his desk without Tom knowing. Tom's a pretty chill guy, but not after that.
Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty
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Stop making fun of my pre-But Rock
Jackal are the truth lol
I saw his old band using tracks around 10 years ago. This means laptops have been staples. This means, having a backup laptop is critical. Seriously, they had to cancel shows because they don't have a 500 dollar backup laptop. No way they need a gaming type laptop to run whatever they are.
Now, most local bands bring way over 500 dollars in backup equipment; just being a logico, not an emo...
LMFAO! You didnt know who Eddie Trunk was till around 6 months ago. Dude, just stop it already. One Donald Trump saying "you never hrd of the guy" is plenty! You like rock music & are over 30 for christ sakes!!! I promice you, theres zero street cred with "the kids" lol saying you never hrd of Mr Trunk till recently.
@@ronniepatterson2827 Finn Mc Kenty has a Satanic Brutal Death Metal band that uses 22 $4500 Laptops to make the sound more devastating and Heavy. He is pushing the boundaries of Extreme Metal way beyond mere human limitations
Eddie Trunk has been throwing a fit for the past 20 years over the replacement guys in KISS wearing the old guys makeup. I’m genuinely surprised he’s even heard of a newer band lol
Yet he does not give a damn word on KISS for their use of playback. He is just shitting on FiR because it’s “a new band”. Fuck Eddie Trunk
he also self inserts himself into every old kiss story saying "i was there"
Eddie Trunk smells like Coors Light and Beef Jerky
Eddie ( I was texting this musician last night) Trunk
Eddie Trunk is the definition of Metal Boomer
Finn I can't thank you enough for revealing that a chainsaw solo exists over a twelve bar blues progression
I don't know about a chainsaw solo, but I do know that The Blackheart Procession used a saw to perform a solo. One of the most haunting tracks I have ever heard!
These boomers do not understand what Ronnie is saying. He’s talking about tracks. Tracks for his bands synths, trap drums, etc. laptops are also needed for the lighting, timing, you name it. Old boomers are thinking he needs to lip sync and that is just not the case at all.
Yeah, exactly. Falling in reverse (and a lot of others) use modern tech to enhance the show, not to substitute it.
Yet Eddie Trunk does not shits on Judas Priest and Motley Crue for doing the same thing. And worse, he does not say a single word about KISS doing full PLAYBACKS/LIP SYNCING their shows. Fuck Eddie Trunk.
That's the disconnect that neither side of this war seems to understand. Ronnie is talking about backing tracks, and these old heads are talking about tracks that play the entire song so the band can just fake it. Neither side seems to realize they're just talking right past each other
And most importantly, their IEM mix is on those laptops. They probably could have done a stripped down raw version of their songs, but then you have to ask 2 questions. Does the FIR audience want that? And how much would the preparation for that cut into their stage time because when it comes to festival gigs, what makes them go so smooth is the fact that the band has laptops with their settings on it, so basically, they plug in, do a line check and go. The quickest way to get up there, have everything ready, including lights monitor mix and everything is having everything setup in laptops.
The same Boomers in the early '80s thought that the the people and Depeche mode, the Human League and New Order didn't do anything besides the lead singer these people actually thought the synthesizer created the music itself.
"Babe can we do prime Sebastian Bach roleplay tonight?"
"Sure what wig are you gonna wear?"
"...the wigs not for me"
Holy shit Ronnie got him too good with all those memes
Ronnie took a W. those memes had me dead.
The smile of pure joy on Finn's face during the chainsaw solo XD
Wholesome content
ikr tbh tho it was awesome tho like in a so ridiculous that it's actually become art in some kinda of way
The chainsaw solo wasn't even the worst part of the song.
no it wasn't, I guess that was Jackyl's one hit song, showed how stupid people were in those days
You don't get wordplay like "I ain't jacked my lumber baby, since my chain saw you!" From ordinary bands!!!
Arguably the coolest part of their entire career
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣⚰
@@EraVulgarity the coolest part of Jackyl's career, imo, was when they protested against K-mart for not selling their album due to explicit content, and then rolled up on a flat bed to perform outside a K-Mart, which they filmed and were arrested as a result. 🤣
The irony is:
Eventually but surely, Ronnie will be a Sebastian Bach...
omg it's true
Never.
He's a vampire.
@@amysmithakabipolar.teddybe6047 GAHHAHAHAHHA WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY
oh so he will be in a band that goes on without him, maybe that band Falling in Reverse would be better then
@@w8kdzradio113 surely you can come up with a better roast than that. Is this really the best the metal community can do?
Ronnie Radke needs to make a RUclips show roasting people, he's got it down to a science.
That's interesting. It would get clicks no doubt.
I would subscribe in a heart beat.
He might as well, his band blows, and won't even be around in 20 years, someone needs to tell him that Emo music was gone by 2010 and no one wants to hear it anymore
That's about the only talent he has Sebastian just doesn't have any more time for his games... because he's out there actually singing live no tapes no fakes....boo hoo milk spilled on my laptop I have to cancel the show what's next I forgot to charge it LOL his excuses as lame as he is
@@tinawillits8223 they got taken…
Falling In Reverse played Inkcarceration earlier this year. 3 or 4 times during their set, there were people who were injured and Ronnie actually would stop and make sure paramedics could get to them. No other band during Inkcarceration did that. Not a huge fan of Falling In Reverse, but I got respect for Ronnie for that
mhm.
Guess he learned a lesson after throwing a mic stand at someone.
@@johnnydi2203 I mean, unironically yes, people can grow and change and learn their lesson and become a good person.
Maybe no one else got injured? A lot of bands do this, it's not really a high bar to set lol
@@jynxycats No, there was someone injured like every other band. Saw a dude get nailed right in the face with one of those hard plastic beer bottles from the front of the crowd and Saint Asonia just kept on playing
Imagine how you'd feel if you were going to see Falling In Reverse, but instead got a chainsaw solo
Finn you're wrong, if Ronnie cared less about what a out of shape 50 year old man threatening him on the internet had to say about using laptops we wouldn't have gotten those absolutely hilarious memes. The biplane meme had me dead, I actually laughed out loud. Ronster got him good with those
The hector salamanca one was too on the head 😂
Ronster 💀
That dude's older than 50 bro. He's probably more like born in '58.
That chainsaw solo is 100x better than I expected. It was oddly bluesy
Jackyl has lots of great tunes.Just fun ROCK AND ROLL!!!
@@blairwos1382 agreed I love jackyl and I'm 25.
not my cup of tea, but a chainsaw solo is dope as hell. pretty sure Exhumed also has a chainsaw player
@@ShadowOfDeath33 brought dad and uncle use to listen to this exact song like over and over in our house that in every room there was a 4 to 5ft tall Jensen speaker.
On the nine inch nails rig rundown they explain how guitar tones changes, lighting effects, backing tracks, and click tracks and a bunch of other things are all loaded into a computer system for their live gigs. This would help people understand why the computers are so critical for bands.
Well, NIN also gets a bit more credit and has more clout in this instance. I'd understand if something by Trent Reznor was a bit more involved as far as computer driven audio. He actually has artistic talent, and knows what he's doing.
Name one time NIN canceled a show that people paid hard earned money for because a laptop wouldn't work. If its so important why would they not have a back up laptop? FIR just seems lazy or stupid af.
You can 100% tell the era of the internet Ronnie is from by his humor.
Eddie & Sebastian are the literal embodiment of “you kids get tf off my lawn”!!
Ronnie is never one to let it go but he’s funny as f**k so fair play!
you think if he was going to defend himself or the situation he would be in a band that doesn't suck, he just looks like a man child with this
As a boomer I can honestly say I appreciate the musicians who play in falling in reverse. Just turned 50. Official Boomer, remember the debut of "youth gone wild"
At 50 you’re a gen Xer boomers are like 55+
If you're 50, then you're Gen X. Your generation stays with you for life. Unless, you're just using the term metaphorically, which is the way most people use it, lol.
Gen X for sure. In fact Skid Row tracks were Gen X anthems when they came out.
He's saying boomer mentality though. I get that.
Lol we’re Gen-X sir! 😂😂🎉
@@User-54631 I’m sure most people just use boomer as a general term for older people 😅
As a FOH Soundtech from Trunk and Bach's era, what I find embarrassing here is that F.I.R. didn't have a quadruple redundancy system for their show.
I also would imagine that if this modern tech was around during the 80’s in full swing, it would for sure have been utilized to it’s fullest by all of the top tier bands.
we didn't have it so we had to learn to play something, now that everyone can just use a computer the market is saturated with these no talent losers, someone needs to tell Ronnie that all the emo girls grew up and don't listen to whiney poser music anymore
And that would have been sad. It's not that it's common or long-standing, it's just too bad that we demand such perfection from these musicians that they'd need a track. The drummer having a computer as a metronome or to change sounds or using a computer to trigger guitar pedals being is absolutely not a problem though.
This dude talking about Millennial or Gen Z kids having grown up listening to SR is kind if funny though.
Bands were using tape in the 80s too. It's really nothing new.
@@JustJoshLTRB exactly, and bands in the 80's and 90's had droves of assistant engineers meticulously cutting tape, editing on early DAW systems, using pitch wheels on keyboards and sampler devices to tune tracks, etc. The idea that older music was not edited to the extent that it could be at the time is a fantasy.
3:18 : "You don't bring a whole orchestra on tour."
Dimmu Borgir: hold my beer
I’m a simple man.
I see “Ronnie Radke vs…” in the title, I click on it.
The old bands didn’t have the luxury of backing tracks back in the day. They HAD to play their shit.
While I also agree with Ronnie here, there's no need to shit on Jackyl to make the point. They are a solid rock and roll band.
I'm almost 60 and saw Ronnie in August and he was 🔥. Ronnie is the total package
anyone can yell vocals, did he play anything??
@@w8kdzradio113 how bottom feeder are you to reply on everyone's comments crying about Ronnie Radke 🤣
@@w8kdzradio113 dude you have over 40 comments just hating on Ronnie?💀 get a life
If you're born after 1958, you're technically not a boomer. Also, Jackyl was the Steel Panther of the 90's, they don't take themselves serious. Things like the chainsaw solo was designed to be cringy, that's Jackyl.
Boomers are 1946 to 1964. Look it up.
I actually like Jackyl. They're a fun live show. Very much, a party band that doesn't take themselves seriously at all. I'd put their live show up there with Steel Panther, at least when I saw them like 15 or so years ago. "Down On Me" is a pretty solid rock song, too.
But yeah, I'm down with how this "Laptop Gate" shit is stupid. I think the only real criticism would be: Why didn't they have a backup that was kept by a separate crew member?
Bro I was dying laughing at that chainsaw solo 😂
Not only does Kiss lip synch and uses instrumental tracks their legendary live album Alive isn't actually live. It's has canned audience noise and it's actually just them doing their songs in one take without and vocal overdubs other than the four of them singing in harmony.
I went to that festival for Falling in Reverse, still went because the tickets were non refundable. Was really looking forward to seeing them live. I will say though Jackyl doesn't take themselves seriously at all and they're honestly just a party band, I don't think that band is as stuck up as many classic rock fans who worship Queen and Aerosmith are.
that first Jackyl record is a damn good time, and I'll stand by it. Poor bastards didn't do anything and they get dragged in here and shit on because of Eddie Trunk 😆😆😆
Dude the chainsaw solo had me fucking dying haha
While Ronnie ain't wrong, everything should have been backed up and should be replaceable in a day
That's actually a good point. Gotta have back-up stuff.
Get some new laptops quick and get the info off the cloud.
yep, and if they were brand new laptops as he said, I would be watching them like a hawk
Seriously. How pissed as a fan would you be if you had tickets to see them and they cancelled because some of their equipment went missing?
@@1mlb704 its the same as if they arrived with no guitars. I understand that's a show stopper, but it was only a rehearsal day, hire the stuff in
Yes! They canceled 24 hours before, I can't believe they couldn't get new laptops and figure out something in that time frame. I am one of.those.who got a chainsaw solo instead of fir, and I enjoyed the hell out of it because they showed up!
Dude that Jackyl song kicks ass. This is coming from a 25 year old.
I once met Sebastian Bach at a biker rally I was working at. He was coked out of his mind and wouldn’t stop telling everyone who he was. Literally nobody cared.
I fucking read this as eddie truck instead of bach and it sounds way funnier
very true, how is he billed, former lead singer of Skid Row, he wasn't even the talent in that band
@@w8kdzradio113 That’s the best part, to the best of my knowledge he wasn’t even playing in the lineup for the biker rally. He was just kinda…there.
@@KnivingDispodia why can't Sebastian enjoy a biker rally like a normal biker?
@@KnivingDispodia so like his trailer park boys character is just him lol?
I'm here for the unhinged malarkey, gosh darn it
Your “Metal Blade Records” shirt gets blocked by your mic and it look like it says “Meth Blade Records”
Hell Yeah Brother!
Haha It fuckin does!🤣
Meth Blade Records sounds like the sickest grindcore label
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I have a studio at my house and it now has a name hahaha
I work in a jail near Finn. Let me tell ya, meth blades exist over here lmao.
In fairness, the chainsaw solo is actually pretty creative. If it's done on a real chainsaw, it would take quite a bit of testing and control to determine and utilize the tonal range of a chainsaw effectively...
Nah, it was fucking stupid!!!
The chainsaw solo wasnt even the worst part of that song. Jackyl is just straight ass.
Raging against backing tracks in a fear mongering type of way has been Trunks’ MO for years
Yet he does not shits on Judas Priest and Motley Crue for doing the same thing. And worse, he does not say a single word about KISS doing full PLAYBACKS/LIP SYNCING their shows. Fuck Eddie Trunk.
well let me ask you something then, suppose you paid $200 to see your favorite band, and when you got there it was just a computer, you would be p**sed too
The part where Sebastian Bach called Luke Holland a fake drummer 🤣🤣🤣
Actual LOL at "What if they left their chainsaw on the bus or something?"
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I know in 1990, maybe 1991, Firehouse used to use a DAT player to pump out backing vocals. To be fair, I'm sure everyone on stage is playing their instruments and singing their parts, but the backing vocals were studio quality and perfect. Not to mention Nine Inch Nails has been using backing tracks their entire career. Backing tracks and laptops have been in rock n roll for a very long time.
yep sure has, but if the expectation is $200 per ticket for a laptop to play, I would rather stay at home, live means live, if I want to hear a CD I can buy it once for $20 and play it forever
in 1989 Milli vanilli used a DAT player too and we all know the tragic results of that
The backing vocals part just sounds ... weird af though, especially when they're super clean and perfect. Have your band members sing, they're in the band too. The point shouldn't be that these bands use them to make their music, but that they're absolutely helpless without, and have no conceivable alternative as if the songs would not be physically possible, or listenable, without these few elements. That is 0% true. In the entire history of live music, gonna guess artists have somehow achieved this once or twice.
@@jynxycats I think in the case with Firehouse, they were singing, they were just singing along to a track. They still have to be in key, or it will sound off. I think FH layered their backing vocals a lot in the studio to almost make it sound like a choir, so to preserve that live, they had an accompanying track to fill in the blanks, since each member can't physically do their vocals twice like in the studio. I personally prefer the rawness of just them singing, but I get why they wanted to do it.
@@w8kdzradio113 which is weird because the songs themselves obviously slapped.
Wow. I mustve been under a rock. Luke joined Falling in Reverse?!? Ronnie recruiting the avengers for his band
Jackyl has merch that says “rock me, roll me, Jackyl me off.” Which has to give them a few bonus points, right? 😂
Don't forget the She loves my Cock shirt. But seriously I saw them live this past May and they were good. Even had a free meet and greet
Look, my wife and I have 3 bands and 2 of those are JUST myself and her playing to backing drum tracks.
If you are in a band, YOU ARE AN ENTERTAINER! It doesn't matter if you use backing tracks so long as you're entertaining!
One idea that I have toyed with is having a big crash symbol on a stand mic'ed in the middle of the floor and have anybody who wants to play along with the beat and kind of trade off through the audience.
It's a great way to include the audience as well as make memories for them cuz let's face it most of us are only playing to 5-50 people a night.
I think laptops are absolutely amazing and give my wife and I's band's the ability to play out more!
I hope Finn really does start dropping in a laugh track. Just once in awhile
A full sound board with silly noises on it like ola does would be great
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Finn Mckenty be like: “I’d be happy to say something critical about a genre”
“But I don’t want to put down individuals because it’s just not what I want to do with my life”
Then proceeds to do that with his life by putting down a band unprovoked that simply filled in for another band. Walking contradiction if I’ve ever seen one…
ugh, he didnt say Jackyl was better than Falling In Reverse, he said the band that subbed for them didnt need laptops.
I think both sides are right and wrong. Bands use backing tracks for click, for lights, for intro/outro music and more. But rock bands SHOULD still be able to perform without them. Sure, it may not be the show the band wants because it's meant to "enhance" as they say, but why can't they just performa a single show without the laptop? It would be raw and probably really awesome IMO. I saw Wolfie Van Halen earlier this year and his band was missing a guitarist for the show. He said he could have had it played through a track or cancelled, but he didn't want to do either so he took the time to adjust his own guitar parts to make a sound that was raw, live, and close to the album as he possibly could by himself. The result was an awesome and unique show that the fans appreciated.
I don't need to hear intros and outros, if everything was like the CD there would be no draw to go to the show
@@w8kdzradio113 yeah, personally I like fully live bands for the rawness and the imperfections. That's just me though.
one of the worst mistakes I ever made in my life was joining a boomer metal Facebook group (which I wasn't aware of at the time) talking about symphonic deathcore bands holy shhh the heat I got for that
🤣🤣🤣some old heads will never understand
there are facebook groups with only music fans born before 1965? weird....
maybe the band being C leaguers is why you got heat for it?
Jackyl actually wrote some pretty good rock 'n' roll songs....good live show
I am pretty sure Aerosmith has a full time keyboard player live (*might* explain the piano still playing with Tyler standing on it 🤷)
People like Eddie Trunk haven't left the 80's. He thinks there is no music after 80's. I grew up listening to 80's music but for me it is nostalgia. People I went to high school with still listen to 80's almost exclusivly. Eddie is not the only one!
Eddie Trunk is outdated and closed minded.
Dude would shit, if He listened to Black Metal along with Death Metal being it was Heavy Metal as a genre going through changes being good/bad He's stuck in the 80's Radio Metal Era.
You could've defended Ronnie without shitting all over Jackyl in the process. Not only were they not involved in the beef but they are a really fun band to see live. The guys in Jackyl are very good guys and have been making music for decades and deserve some respect.
Just because theyre good guys and have performed for a long time doesnt mean they are any good, doesnt work that way sorry.
@@glitter404 What does that have to do with what I said? Some people like a band and some don't, that's personal preference and not worth arguing about. I'm saying the cheap shots Finn took were completely uncalled for because Jackyl wasn't involved in the Twitter spat. He plays a few seconds of the silly Lumberjack song and says they are the worst band ever knowing damn well many followers of his have no clue who they are or have heard any of their music.
He shat on jackyl for the purpose of calling out eddie trunk for being an out of touch boomer. Also, jackyl sucks ass. Idc how good of people they might be.
Would be advisable to have a backup on the cloud or on a memory drive. Shocking that they cancel shows just because of stolen laptops. Can happen any time.
We run our show off a laptop, but we have the show backed in the cloud.
I saw Jackyl live in 2006. Fun show.
Jesse James Dupree owned the Full Throttle Saloon in Sturgis for years..they put on great shows with lots of entertainment. They had some good songs. Always a fun time.
Someone said Rosanne-Core to the band Jackyl in the chat and they couldn’t be more right! Fucking killed me. Hahah.
Gotta say, Finn; I’d take Jackyl over Falling In Reverse any day. I’m 45, so I don’t think I’m a Boomer. It’s all relative though, and I still respect you. BTW, I think Ronnie is right about the hypocrisy.
You're a boomerette
Sebastian Bach is the anthropomorphic personification of the term "hold my beer"
Dude, the chainsaw solo is absolutely fantastic though!
I just remember eddie trunk as a serial name dropper. Most of TMS was him reminiscing about hanging out with (insert iconic metal musicians here) times however many names he can remember.
Wasn't saying jackal is better he was saying they didn't need laptops to do their show
Most guitar/bass players also use laptops for their tone. I’m guessing few/no bands use outboard “rack” gear on-stage anymore - laptops replaced all that.
I didn't even investigate this drama cus I knew you would sort the facts and give it to me straight. Job job as always
"When you went to the show, did you have fun?"
No, because the band pulled out lol.
Bach is still bitter that Grunge kicked hair metal "bach" to the Stone Age.
That was cheap but I still laughed
no Skid Row was the one who did that
I think a better analogy would be "Driving a Car without Automatic shifting." You CAN learn how to ride stick, and back in the day people only had stick. But that doesn't make u less of a racer using automatic. (Although using stick can be inpressive)
No race car has automatic shift:)
I don’t think music should be compared to a race, I don’t want to hear IF Joe Satriani (just an example) can play his incredibly technical solos live, I want to listen to him AS he plays them live. If he needs help, he should take it.
@@krokovay.marcell that's fair to not call it a race. I was more comparing the artisty of making music with the artistry of driving professionally! And thats interesting to know that racecars don't use automatic!
I just think that people often use samples to "not have to bring a sitar on stage" as Finn said. But how awesome is it when they actually do bring a sitar on stage?
I think sample are used for easiness but it's always better to have the actual thing. Especially because then it allows for variation, which is one major point of a live setting. Often with sampled songs, there is little to no variation.
I think Eddie's point was to just bite the bullet and go play the show, but went about it in the worst way possible. Seriously that argument was terrible by Trunk/Bach.
This reminds me of the time when in 2006 Enter Shikari used backing sound for Mothership when recording their demo
The Jackyl bit made me laugh. I work for a Harley-Davidson shop and Harley does a contest with Jesse James Dupree, the lead singer of Jackyl, every year. That was literally the first time I've ever heard of him or the band.
Eddie Trunk is the ultimate boomer gatekeeper in metal. This is what's wrong with the scene
Jacky has lots of great songs. Don't know any Falling in Reverse songs. The band is the engine not some fucking laptop!!
I mean I agree and disagree. You can find an alternative to play songs without certain elements that was used in the recording but obviously it wouldn't be the same. Also, using pre recorded samples to be able to recreate every single aspect of the song in a live set sounds great too.
The whole dilemma for rock fans is maybe just maybe it would be great if you know how to do both. Play with your samples and whole structure also knowing how to make the show happen without it.
If i have bought a tix to see that show and figure out that they cancelled it because they cant play a version of their songs without using their pre recorded samples it would make me feel like. Really duude? come on?
Ronnie is really talented and his band too they could've done it if they wanted to.
Pressing the play button on a sample you didn't even record yourself doesn't make you a real musician.
I'm not gonna die on the Sebastian Bach hill but the first two Skid Row records are really good. I remember that t-shirt being cringe even at the time, but we had Andrew Dice Clay-type humor etc. as well and the times were just different. Watch an Eddie Murphy special from the 80s. It is interesting to see Axl Rose being really woke as well now having written "One In A Million".
This Bach interview in a record store is very wholesome:
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Not to sound completely boomer-ish at 44 but why are there no more live albums, and will that ever be a thing again? It would be cool to hear bands reinterpret their studio material for what they're able to do on the road; I think it would make the shows more exciting as well.
A chainsaw solo? Woah so badass, these guys must be tough, you don’t wanna mess with these guys
They lost me at the laptop argument haha
Many many concert venues I've performed at over the years are often shocked that my band doesn't use tracks. It's widely known in the business that the MAJORITY of all genres are using tracks now and heavy music you likely won't find 1 that doesn't.
This video is just evidence that Fin truly is the metal/hardcore dad😂
finn is the dj akademiks of rock beef
No, finn isn't a pretentious crybaby douchebag who says shit to make ppl hate him, then cry victim and racism bullshit.
AK is a tool. He talks about ppl exploiting the culture but yet HE BLEW UP from his series called 'The War in Chiraq' he literally got famous off of black kids shooting each other 😂
Embarrassing. but Ronnie roasting him was absolutely hilarious and worth all of it!
He's an example of what can make Twitter entertaining
Ronnie Radke is about 5'2 and 120lbs....Sebastian is nearly 6'7 and 250lbs at this point in time and known for leaping off stage to fight half the audience.....Radke and the weird language he speaks would get stomped into the damn ground.
That chainsaw solo is quite dope tbh…
The comment "your two grown men arguing about when laptops were invented" should be enough to make them realize how goody it is lmao
Yeah, maybe Ronnie got caught up in the drama and spent a bit too long on it in this case, but fuuuuck did he came out on top.. Those @sebastianbach posts cracked me up! Team boomer didn't realize they'd walked into the social media equivalent of a rap battle and lost BADLY. If someone's had serious anger issues in the past & is working on it, roasting clowns online and getting massive amounts of free press is a pretty healthy outlet IMO!
I think it is important to note that Sebastian and Eddie are not the spokesman for older folks, if Falling in Reverse wants to play a computer, I say let them, and I will take my money and go see Slipknot or Megadeth and then the market can decide if these guys have staying power or not, I say not, Emo was played out by 2010
@@w8kdzradio113 Megadeth seems to be doing quite well and seems to manage to evolve just fine from 83 up until now and I'd expect to see a band that's gone 40 years to evolve with the technological changes thrown at the industry. Keeping things the same isn't good, it just starts to stagnate. I'm a Gen-Xer and its fun to just listen to a playlist of different bands or even the same bands esp those with keep on going to just see the progress and change they go through out the years.
Can't believe the chainsaw-as-an-instrument thing didn't catch on.
I see where ronnie is coming from, but it would have been cool if they would have made something work like an acoustic show. In my case I'm more there for the artist rather than the proformance.
There needs to be a discussion about who is using tracks to enhance the performance and who is using tracks as the performance. The trunk was one of the first ones to pile on Kiss for going full-on Milli Vanilli and I'll support that stance. I'm not paying to see anyone lip-synch. But what a lot of musicians are doing now is no different than what most bands did during Trunk's era when they hid keyboard players and backing singers behind the stage.
lol Jackyl! I remember when I was first getting into metal and I read some description of them that made them sound interesting. I listened to about a minute of one song and forgot about them forever...until just now
yep the same way I did Ugly Kid Joe and Green Jelly
If they just got off tour and they use laptops live did they not use one for that tour or do they have a separate laptop for festivals?
The chainsaw solo is the pinnacle of musical achievement
80’s band: Sax Solo
90’s band: Hold my Chainsaw! 🤘🏻
To be fair, chainsaws as a musical instrument are severally underutilized in modern music
I talked to a guy at a beartooth show showing me on his phone that he has a A barstool that Jackyl split in half with a chainsaw like it was a holy grail
What if Jackal's chainsaw solo was just a dead prop swinging around to a soundbite from a laptop? Would it still be fun knowing that? We have a world filled with terrible edm dj's, overpriced pop stars that lip sync in arenas, and rappers who can barely rap-along with training wheel vocal tracks. Milli Vanilli would have thrived in this era.
I remember when the lead singer of Jackyl appeared on the Tom Green show and chainsawed up his desk without Tom knowing. Tom's a pretty chill guy, but not after that.
Sabastian Bach will never not be synonymous with model trains in my mind
Who here is into trains!?!
That chainsaw solo cracked me up dude, haha.