TEST: Streaming vs CD

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  • Опубликовано: 31 янв 2025

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  • @koszyklbn
    @koszyklbn Час назад +9

    I was streaming only for lasy few years , but since 2025 I've also starter to collect and listen to CD also. Not becouse od quality but i like to listen whole album, and on streaming i'm always tempted to switch tracks. Also what i discovered is that i do not remember what i was listening for example 4 years ago. Another reason is i like to support artists more. I've preorder on album and I've got autograph on its, and that is cool!

    • @bobclarke5913
      @bobclarke5913 3 минуты назад

      Funny, when I put a CD player in my car I was jazzed I could skip all those other tracks to get to the good stuff. Wasn't long before I realized I was wearing out my favorite songs and started to miss cassettes making me work for it at least to skip around.

  • @budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
    @budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 Час назад +2

    🙋‍♂️THANKS GUIDO FOR EXPLORING THIS 😎🧐💚💚💚

  • @mcfIy
    @mcfIy 3 часа назад +14

    Thats a little bit odd. I listened just a few seconds in on track 1, and when i heard the crisp drums, i immediately knew that this was the CD. Confirmed it when i heard the drums on track 2. Way less crisp, less defined, shorter trailing ends of tones. I found that to be true on every single track when i compered qobuz through roon and playing the same song (bought through qobuz store) stored on my SSD in .wav format. It's most obvious with the bass. Interesting you couldn't notice the differences.

    • @GerardoRibero
      @GerardoRibero 3 часа назад +1

      I heard the opposite

    • @citroen2cvnz
      @citroen2cvnz Час назад +1

      I heard the same.

    • @timgibson3754
      @timgibson3754 51 минуту назад

      @@citroen2cvnz I heard a slight difference but I couldn't describe it if I had to. I bet with a little buzz I could

  • @MillerWissen
    @MillerWissen 44 минуты назад +2

    Ok so a few important things to point out, packet loss does not mean loss in audio quality it means the TCP package was not received by the other device, it is then resent that's TCP/IP this happens automatically by design, with that said yes it is possible to have loss in very specific scenarios but you didn't quite touch the right ones here, an audio stream here when it comes to online music streaming services happens through an HTTP server, this means that your receiving device will always buffer ahead same way as you can keep watching this video for a few seconds if you lose your internet connection, if it comes back just in time there is nothing lost, the way it works is it requests the next say 10-20 seconds it keeps playing it then requests another chunk and another and another, you will not have loss in terms of audio quality here it will be on/off unless the player is designed to request a lower quality file because it thinks your connection can't handle that current stream which is not very common since we're talking about audio here and even a WAV stream from a CD would only take about 1.5mbps pretty much any connection can handle that with little problem maybe 20 years ago that might've been more of a challenge but not anymore, video that does happen more often because you're touching 10-20mbps and if your connection is pretty unstable it may actually struggle even with so little data, the most important aspect of a CD is not just the quality that is mostly assured but the fact you can rip and keep that in your collection and your personal server, no one will take that from you, streaming you can lose access at any point to a track you enjoy because of internal agreements or simply someone deciding that they don't want someone streaming from country X to have access (maybe it costs more per play etc or they don't perceive that market is valuable).

  • @vlguitars
    @vlguitars 2 часа назад +5

    I, honestly, notice an improvement in the sound of the drum cymbals and the high and low notes of the wind instrument on the CD.

    • @frankgeeraerts6243
      @frankgeeraerts6243 2 часа назад

      YES !.........When you get CD replay right , itis asthonishing to discover to discover the hidden potential of the CD format , just the one hidden in good vinyl / analog .
      Working for decades to better CD sound , I do NOT feel any need to invest huge money into very expensive streamers or dacs.....and I have all trhe albums I want to listen to not depending on the goodwill of streaming to be accessible .
      Tapes, Vinyl and CD 's stored on a wall are even helping the room acoustics

  • @bertroost1675
    @bertroost1675 3 часа назад +5

    As someone else commented when you play your CD you know your source or issue, but does streaming tell you which mastering or source that song or album is from?

  • @lnielse1
    @lnielse1 Час назад +1

    Couldn't hear any difference. Could be RUclips is squashing them down to the same thing. Both sounded damn good. Song obviously recorded and mastered well. Rudy Van Gelder?

    • @brunoch95
      @brunoch95 55 минут назад

      I would be surprised if that was van gelder.

  • @arekw7388
    @arekw7388 41 минуту назад +1

    is there a difference between streaming and CD? Yes and no :) streaming source quality, DAC quality, source mastering, internet connection quality etc.... in my case it varies - sometimes I hear the difference and sometimes I don't... certainly if we listen to music actively at home, if someone just wants to listen to music streaming is enough... but for someone who likes to deal with physical media and wants to have it - streaming will always be an addition... PS you can always listen to a CD when there is no internet connection or when you don't pay for streaming ;) Anadialog, as usual - thank you very much for the topic and reliability!

  • @goodsound4756
    @goodsound4756 Час назад +2

    I did the speed/reliability test 5 time with different settings, never had any lost packet. Which I expected, as TCP/IP Protocol should not lose packets. Now with UDP Protocol things change, as there are no checksum/resend lost packets stuff.

  • @TheVid54
    @TheVid54 21 минуту назад

    In my lifetime, the CD has remained the best way to collect the music I'm interested in, which is almost exclusively film scores. It wasn't until the advent of CDs that the most complete recordings of film composers have been made available to the public. Original soundtrack recordings on CD offer great value and I was able to eventually replace all my LP editions with more complete and better sounding CD versions, which often increase in value as time goes by. So far physical disc media has, for the most part, completely satisfied my aural and visual needs, and I've never lost interest in accessing and enjoying my now rather vast collection. I would consider my streaming activity as minimal. I enjoy your content and always appreciate your viewpoints.

  • @MacXpert74
    @MacXpert74 2 часа назад +1

    Interesting comparison. Before you revealed which was which I skipped between the two tracks in the video several times. To me Track 1 sounded more dynamic, more 'alive'. I noticed that right away at the start with the bass. The string plucking sounded more defined on track 1 to me. I thought it would be mainly down to different masters though and not so much the digital processing part of it. Although I'm sure you're right that packet loss could potentially impact the sound quality, much like reading errors on CD can, both media do also use error correction to deal with this, which to a certain point seems to be effective.

  • @jbennymusic4181
    @jbennymusic4181 2 часа назад +2

    Another thing to consider is that digitally recorded music can capture higher frequencies than analog recorded music in most cases. There are some High-Res streaming albims that I also own on CD and I like them better than the CD version, but there are also some digitally recorded albums with high-res that sound better on CD to me too. My answer would be that it all depends per-album. But always get an AAD CD of older albums when you can!

  • @paulpaulzadeh6172
    @paulpaulzadeh6172 Час назад +1

    Can you review Audirvana, it is player for Audiophile, use also in studio 👋👋👋👋👋👋

  • @almc-wi5vo
    @almc-wi5vo 2 часа назад +4

    After using CD/DVD (for music). They sound better than streaming, and they are mine. Once you stop paying your streaming sub, you don't have anything. My collection, more the 10k, is there, with info and many versions.

  • @brunoch95
    @brunoch95 56 минут назад

    Great job Guido

  • @tweakerman
    @tweakerman Час назад

    I never stopped buying cds, I buy around 5 a month, I usually look for audiophile cds, what label they are on & who's mastered them, reference recordings is one of my favourite labels 😊
    Another great topic guido 👍

  • @matytinman
    @matytinman 47 минут назад

    You say you do no notice the difference, but I can clearly appreciate it despite RUclips and AAC 192kbps [4K video].
    From what I hear, that CD needs to be resampled to SRC 16/96, having been previously captured in WAV 16/44.

  • @GerardoRibero
    @GerardoRibero 3 часа назад

    Thanks Guido!! Great digital video, as usual. How much do you relies or believes in Audirvana for this test?

  • @grunklechubs4743
    @grunklechubs4743 Час назад

    in the summer I like going to flea markets are picking up all the good CDs for dirt cheap.

  • @danieldrz251
    @danieldrz251 54 минуты назад

    As far as I know, Kobuz sends data in flac. Although flac is classified as lossless, there is the issue of processing during decompression. If your hardware is powerful this will not be a problem, but if it is limited it may degrade.

  • @ShellacWinters
    @ShellacWinters Минуту назад

    I noticed a clear difference between the drums, much beefier on the CD sample.

  • @ericdanielski4802
    @ericdanielski4802 3 часа назад +1

    Interesting comparison.

  • @marianoarias5799
    @marianoarias5799 2 часа назад +1

    El track 2 es el Cd, un buen cd siempre supera al streaming además de poder seleccionar el cd player en la búsqueda del sonido más análogo, saludos

  • @pfcompany885
    @pfcompany885 2 часа назад +1

    But if you own our private audio server with WAV/flac files, the streaming could be better (good Ethernet cables, Switches, Streamer/Transport)

  • @karl-erikmoberg5668
    @karl-erikmoberg5668 3 часа назад +3

    Hi, streaming protocol tcp/ip is not a real time transmission. A lot has to be done in the DAC end to get low time distorsion.
    CD on the other hand is much simpler. CD format is PCM format and the transfer is i2s direct to the DAC chip, NO packet data!
    CD is simple, no conversions, and thats is why CD is better.
    I have tried lots of streaming solutions, CD is better every time.
    But you need a good CD player?
    Regards Karl-Erik

  • @karl-erikmoberg5668
    @karl-erikmoberg5668 Час назад

    Hi, Saturday evening after a good bath...
    You mention that packet loss affect sound quality, surely it does but even a perfect packet data transmission (iP, usb, hdmi...) will affect the quality due to processing needed that creats disturbances and give time distorsion.
    A CD is the perfect filter for disturbances, once manufactured it is stored hours, days, years and completably cut off the transmission line!
    CD is more direct, vinyl is even more direct.

  • @jeffreysobczynski7113
    @jeffreysobczynski7113 Час назад

    They sound quite different to me - the drums were in particular way different
    Track 1 way better … the cymbal sustain was way longer, the drum hits were more crisp. Further, Joe’s solo sounded distant.
    Not sure this is due to mastering choices or due to packet loss.

  • @woobiecat5631
    @woobiecat5631 44 минуты назад

    I have great internet service. I have Amazin HD. Most are HD, most are 24/96-192. I think it sounds great. YES, Amazon tells you what rate your listening to. YES, they often have multiple versions/mastering of the same album, depends on how popular an album was. example, I see five versions of Fleetwood Mac Rumors, plus the Live version. They all sound different. I also have AAA vinyl, and SACDs. To sample and to try new music, or find older music, you just cannot beat a good streamer. I also have Sony Z1ES with thousands of FLAC CDs copied to it, it uploads to DSD. I often do comparisons. Funny, I often enjoy the new reissued/remixed/remastered albums more, maybe I like compression, I don't know, Choice is nice.

  • @RandSilva79
    @RandSilva79 3 часа назад +12

    "I converted all my CDs to FLAC for convenience. CDs still sound awesome even after 40+ years of it's debut, but I mostly kept my collection for the nostalgia. In the end, no matter the media or streaming app, the big difference is the mastering used."

    • @mat.b.
      @mat.b. Час назад

      FLAC ftw

    • @imjustherefortheks
      @imjustherefortheks 25 минут назад

      Why FLAC and not .Wav? Space storage? Or compatibility?

  • @davidwald2938
    @davidwald2938 2 часа назад

    Wow! Love the drums and piano in that track! I didn't try to compare the files but on my system streaming Qobuz they are crisp and clear to the point I can't imagine it sounding better on cd but in my tests like masters sound identical via transport or streaming to the same dac. I have heard some dramatic differences between 192 and 44.1 when streaming. To me a 44.1 like master will sound like a cd but 192 sometimes can sound much more powerful and present. Listen to "straight on" off Dog and Butterfly on Qobuz from greatest hits on Qobuz and then from the self titled. Greatest hits 44.1 sounds like always heard cd or radio. 192 sounds like you are in the studio with the band! Would love to hear others opinions. Yes, the 192 is louder, but I can't match the sound simply by turning up the 44.1 version and the difference is rather dramatic.

  • @marioenc04
    @marioenc04 3 часа назад +7

    Hi Guido, there are a lot of red flags when you compare a CD with streaming albums. Starting, how do you know they are in the same master. Unless you record your album, upload to the streaming service and download it for comparison, than you would have a begining of a real test. Regards

    • @MacXpert74
      @MacXpert74 2 часа назад +2

      Right, I think different mastering will impact the sound quality to a much bigger extent than any technological differences between CD audio and streaming will do.

  • @jackn4853
    @jackn4853 Час назад

    CD s are getting expensive here in UK. Amazon prices are rising quickly. I like to own the CD then rip it to .flac and play it locally via a usb streamer/DAC.

  • @OnwiththeAction
    @OnwiththeAction 3 часа назад

    I have noticed when streaming classic rock, in many cases there has be re-equalization and compression applied as compared to my vinyl tracks. I use mid tier Tidal so I have access to the highest quality and sometimes I have been shocked with the change. So much so I have said out loud "WTF?" Recently I listened to Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen and it lacked the bass and softly compressed compared to my vinyl record.

    • @GetOffMyyLawn
      @GetOffMyyLawn 2 часа назад

      Many of the albums streamed are the "re-masters". An example are the Led Zep albums that were remastered in 1990, and I think those are the only versions that are available on streaming services.

  • @michaelhavlicek3233
    @michaelhavlicek3233 Час назад

    Nice video Guido, but using a over 6000Euro T+A Dac is for a lot of people including me too much money. Michael from Germany

  • @jkim4712
    @jkim4712 57 минут назад

    You missed important aspect of streaming. Generally speaking CD sounds better than streaming. But there are many old recordings with new remastered version you can hear from streaming that sounds much better than old original version CDs. This is the biggest reason I like streaming. Buying the new remastered version CD to replace original version collection I got over the years will cost way too much.

  • @MohsinWadee
    @MohsinWadee Час назад

    I don't think what you've said about CD mastering catering to Spotify is completely true. There have been a few online articles which state that Spotify actually now lowers the volume level of tracks. If this is true, then the record companies are oblivious, or they're still misguidedly doing it. This actually requires a further, fresh investigation.

  • @scottwheeler2679
    @scottwheeler2679 3 часа назад +1

    They are both streaming and CD are audibly transparent. "Hi res" is no more transparent than CD. Transparent is transparent. Any differences are differences in the source material itself. SPARS code doesn't tell you anything about the sound quality nor does the date of mastering. Each title is it's own entity and has to be taken on a case by case basis. If you have a packet loss then you have a drop out not a loss in sound quality. BECAUSE they are packets there can't be a loss in quality. The amount of data isn't lower. Packets, sections of data are lost. That means a drop out. "THAT" is a scientific fact.

    • @jimbennett2795
      @jimbennett2795 2 часа назад +1

      WHAT? THEN WHAT IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT UNSUBSCRIBING

    • @scottwheeler2679
      @scottwheeler2679 2 часа назад

      @@jimbennett2795 He's talking about one of many audiophile myths and mysticisms. If you go to the actual website and see what they say about the consequences of lost packets this is what it says. "You may be asking, "What is packet loss?" or "Why should I care?" Well, packet loss (also known as "packet drop") is simply when a packet is not able to be delivered. It's sent, maybe even received by the server, but somewhere it gets lost. It's like, if you send some message to a server, but the server never receives it or the other way around (It sends it and it fails to reach you.). Regardless of the direction, this is bad.
      With typical, TCP-based web browsing, the sender will realize that its message was not delivered properly and will resend it until it goes through right or gives up, but this still adds significant slowdowns because it has to wait long enough to give up on it being delivered before starting the whole delivery process over again.
      With UDP and similar unreliable protocols, messages will usually not be attempted to be redelivered and are just lost for good. In a voice call, this might mean some words are just never sent. In an online game, this will usually mean that something you tell the game to do never happens. Your movement gets undone or your bullets never register. This can understandably be very frustrating, and any significant amount should be attempted to be fixed, but to do that, one must be able to test if it is present." No mention of a change in sound quality. Just data drop outs. No magic.

    • @sidesup8286
      @sidesup8286 Час назад

      @Jim. It doesn't take much to sway you to change sides, does it?..Keep in mind that Guido has quite a bit better equipment than 95% of the people out there. Both cd playback and streaming equipment.

    • @scottwheeler2679
      @scottwheeler2679 Час назад

      @ By what measure does he have "better" equipment?

    • @sidesup8286
      @sidesup8286 27 минут назад

      @Wheel. By the measure that we've actually heard, or own, a lot of his reference equipment; and we know how superior sounding it is compared to what most people's equipment can do. We "Live Life" not "Measure" it. Strange that the bizzare % of ones who ask for proof of everything, have never proved anything themselves. Except that they waste all that good amount of time they have on their hands

  • @thexfile.
    @thexfile. 2 часа назад

    Resellers are killing LPs with high prices.

  • @pureblood8307
    @pureblood8307 3 часа назад +4

    CD is always better

  • @BlAcKpHrAcK
    @BlAcKpHrAcK Час назад

    The Liberty Mix 27-01-2025 Mix Broadcast ruclips.net/user/lives6xFsTAHMnY?feature=share

  • @bob-s-bit-s
    @bob-s-bit-s Час назад

    hi bbc sounds is very bad level wars is hitting the sounds bad ( the play list is the best thing about the bbc )
    for track i like i hear first on bbc and check them out on spot later
    the spot is better if you pay the mini fee's
    i have watched alot of your video's you have good and bad points

  • @user-jp3vl5jx1j
    @user-jp3vl5jx1j Час назад

    „You will own nothing and be happy.“ Sorry I dont follow the herd.

  • @Викаким-м6я
    @Викаким-м6я 26 минут назад

    владельцов CD огарчу чуть чуть покрытие отпадает современем😢

  • @Викаким-м6я
    @Викаким-м6я 29 минут назад

    я по английски не очень но 1 звучит лудше .