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Is Finishing or Composure Better for Strikers? | FM24 Experiment
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- Опубликовано: 27 янв 2024
- In this Football Manager 2024 Experiment, we follow two wonderkids one with 1 finishing and 20 composure, the other the opposite. Who will thrive, who will have the better career? Who, will win?
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I think what’s happening is he’s being loaned to the youth team who is in a lower league and the game doesn’t quite know how to display that
Yeah, possibly. Cheers 👍
Yeah, that'll be it
FC Twente has a shared youth academy with Heracles Almelo, so I guess they loan him out to that team and that’s why.
I think better way to compare composure and finishing is to create perfect players with fixed abilities, which one has max finishing min composure and the other one is opposite, instead of wonderkids who can improve their composure but not their finishing so much.
I love these experiments not because they really show or prove anything. The methodology is not very scientific, but it's so much fun pitting these different players against each other and seeing who comes out on top and all the ups and downs, regardless of what that says about the game mechanics
Yeah... i hear that point of view, but i also like to see the progression and who does better from the original base that I create. There is an argument though about fixed abilities, perfect would be too much though as players would compensate with other attributes
@@jayhuahua only if there was a way to fix just 2 attributes and let them evolve in others
I do think the growth aspect is somewhat interesting and informative to an extent, but I think you've perfectly summarised my channel in a nutshell - I might steal that as a bio haha
I'd live to be able to fix specific attributes. That'd give a whole new perspective on so many experiments
Three centre mids each with 1 good stat and 2 terrible in first touch/passing/technique would be interesting. Enjoy these, so thanks for another terrific upload!
Interesting. A little trifecter of attributes. I like the concept. I'll add it to my list 👍
New nations you say.... Just warming for the continental ballotelli experiment! Haha. I always tend to lean towards finishing at low league and composure at high levels. Low level you just want somebody banging as many good shots at goal as possible as the keepers are wank, so as many chances as possible, higher level you need create the right chance!!!
Haha. I still haven't even looked at the attribute breakdown for it yet 🤣 i keep forgetting
@@jayhuahua ..... TomFM wouldn't forget 😒😒 kidding mate you're much better than him 1) he got a Fiorentina shirt with batistuta on and said he had no idea who he was. 2) You use swear words which make neanderthals like me happy 😁 haha. Plus it will be like game of thrones when the dragons finally come for me once it happens! Can't wait haha 😂
Haha you're right TomFM wouldn't forget, and to be compared is an honour because I think he's brilliant. Love his stuff so it is very humbling to be even compared, but to be classed as better is certainly high praise indeed. Haha, in my defence, I forget SO much at the moment through my sleep deprived state - it's a great idea and certainly offers a clickbaity thumbnail. It has a lot going for it.
I feel like Van Rooijen kinda switched to a winger - attacking midfielder, so would have been interesting to check that. Aside from that, a very enjoyable video!!🎉🎉
Yeah I think he did, and it is probably exactly what I'd do in fairness given the 1 finishing
Should you also have Mr Balance in this experiment? 10 Finishing and 10 Composure
I suppose, but they'd probably just do the best and take up valuable time that we could be focusing on the other two
Really enjoy your stuff, but think you realised quite quickly on this one that this didn’t really get to the bottom of which is more important. I would like to see this again under a different format where you fix current ability at 175 & potential ability at 175, start them at 20 and show for 10 years (averaging out the finding as the players should have evolved). The next improvement I’d make to all your videos is summarising your findings outside of FM showing a couple of graphs / comparisons with other experiments. You could then introduce leaderboards on which characteristics are most important for different positions etc
Appreciate the detailed feedback. I felt we learned composure improves at a much faster rate which is great to know in my opinion. Graphs and all that jazz feels very EBFM and he is the king of all that. Changing up my style to try and replicate that would feel kind of jarring tbh, but i do appreciate the idea
Have you given anything? Hours of quality entertainment.
Appreciate the kind words
Was waiting for this.. Let's go
🤣 love it
Interesting one here, a good video for breakfast before work, ha.
In my humble game experience, Finishing is not the important attribute for SCs for ... weird reasons. The 5* SCs in my game always have 10-11 Finishing as wonderkids, and they ended up having 20+ goals a season in just 30-40 matches. (I practice very heavy rotation. If a player has 40 starts from 38+6+17 = 63 possible matches, he must be something already ...)
If anything, good ball headers are more important for goals. But I love one of the comments who said that Finishing is more important for lower leagues, and then Composure is more for high levels. Another mentioned Decisions. Indeed.
Finally, just FYI and up for discussion just for the love of the game - Traits like Placing shots are great for Finishers. But most tactics are set up such that Pace and Off-the-Ball would be important to "get there" in the first place. Else, I would also love to see the return of the Poacher, just for the fun of it. Seems impossible, because the AF is just better af. 😅😅😅
yeah, feels like pace/accel is a necessity for a striker to score tons of goals. Otherstuff is important too of course, but feels like without those 2 being at the very least average strikers barely get in position to score.
Indeed. Pace is a crucial aspect but as u say, good heading is also very good. A case in point is big Lorenzo Lucca, but having decisions mentioned has given me an idea. Not sure whether I want to do a full squad video on decisions or a wonderkid sim like this but it has sparked an idea
There are multiple reasons the loan glitch could be happening but it could do with your skin not being able to display the youth team or dutch team in the lower leagues he is being loaned to, or it isn't showing that team and just replacing it with Twente
Hmmm yeah maybe u could be right
no RALPH CHECK WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
I do love how invested you are in Ralph watch
@@jayhuahua it's not a hobbie it's a lifestyle
yep i needed this
Hope you enjoy
Do marking or tackling for defenders
I have this recorded... just need to edit and make the thumbnail. Might be out in the next week or so, will need to consult my excel doc 😎
Wasn’t aware of the composure effect. Just realised how much better the youngsters I have with high composure 🎉😮 Got Endrick at Derby in the Premiership, 5 years in the future with 15 composer and 18 finishing 🎉🎉
Endrick at Derby 🤣
@@jayhuahua took 4 years in the prem for any of the good young player to even consider joining. A lot on the never never but he’s scoring 20 a year so 🤷
Love those saves... proper satisfying 😌
Unusual nations being featured?! I will lose my shit if the mighty Burkina Faso features
hahaha sadly they do not have a league in the base game. By unusual I mean unusual for the channel, not the big 5 really. Trying to diversify so things aren't always samey samey
How about some wonderkids from the Solomon Islands 🤣🤣
Lol they're not on the base game are they. I like the nationalities leagues loaded
@@jayhuahua Yeah that’s true. I’ve done it before and the players go to Australia or Japan most of the time if they have high enough potential from my experience.
Look forward to a video every Sunday Uppa Jayhuahua
Tuesdays Thursdays and Sundays is the current schedule. I will factor in extra uploads when I finally have new Leeds episodes haha. Still playing season 2. Desperate to sink some hours in to it but just never have the time
@@jayhuahua it’s all good mate the content you’re getting out is class and everyone seems to be loving it.
I’m surprised you get as much out as you do, but I’m not gonna complain😂😂
Yeah well most people sleep... I am currently doing edits, database creation and thumbnails at all hours when up with a baby 🤣 if my output goes down noticeably, you will be able to work out he's finally sleeping so I am too lol
@@jayhuahua that’s absolutely mental mate😂😂😂 you can really tell you love it by all the effort you put into the videos, don’t cut any corners like other FM RUclipsrs.
It will be a struggle but I’m sure we’ll cope if you have a break😂😂👍
Fantastic video once again jay. Just as an FYI, incase you didnt know players can move under 18 but it has to be within their own continent
Can they? Ahhhh ok I guess I always get this wrong because I have to wait until players turn 18 because I'm a South American Slag
@jayhuahua yeah i tend to do a SYC style build a nation save most years and players from europe can join at 16 or 17
If I had the time I'd love to do a build a nation save. Maybe I will do it if I get more time
@jayhuahua maybe you could do it as a series? Could do an episode a week or something once you are through some more development vids
Haha i am currently playing my Leeds save still on season 2, when season 1 came out AGES ago. I couldn't keep up with 1 a week, unless i didn't work full time, but sadly i do
Martin Alderton (Leicester striker with horrendous regen face) must be a Faceinthegame (Just like Kane Fullalove 😂), I had him on my FM20 save and he was class. There's far too many of them unfortunately.
I do love when u see a faceinthegame name u recognise across different saves
Klopp at Liverpool kind of unrealistic 😂
I do find finishing is an absolute nightmare to improve on a player even with additional focus and lots of offensive training sessions.
Yeah it was interesting how much more composure improved, and this is without additional focus, well maybe the AI did but i know I'll be looking for a finishing as a higher attribute on wonderkids and then work on composure
Jesus, that sub count goes up so much every time I check.
It's incredibly rewarding to see the climb 😄
@@jayhuahua I can imagine! I had a stint in my channel where I was consistently growing each video, getting a few dozen subs and a few thousand views and it was great, but I just didn’t have the motivation you do! I can only commend it. Keep grinding, 10k soon come!
Growth is exponential on RUclips I think. I started like everyone with no subs and I pit a LOT of hours in and made a lit lf videos that simply got no attention. It's all about pushing through and keeping it up if u enjoy it and fortunately I do.
Missed a trick not putting the finisher as Finnish 🇫🇮
Haha a pun in the nationality. Very good
Passing vs Vision
Added to the list.. Great one. CM, or CAM?
@@jayhuahua As next to all tactics use MC's that would be preferable I assume. How ever making them capable for both seems reaonable as well :)
where are you faces from? i use new gan for my current youth only save, but the faces from yours look alot better than what i use
I use midjourney and make each face manually. Quite a bit of work for the squad experiments but well worth it on the whole
how did their PKs look?
Their what?
before i even watch the video i will think composure career is better since i feel like its easier to train finishing up then train up composure
I look forward to your follow up 👍
@@jayhuahua well the finisher guy was the better striker but i feel like a lot of that had to be cause of composure guy was was first moved to the wing then eventually to the midfield in the end of his career. I wonder what their Goal average per game was when only played as striker was. Since it looked quite similar once composure guy went to city and was allowed to play striker for once but at that point his finisher was so far behind. Cool experiment i just wish the AI didn't retrain their position
Yeah but to be fair I think that's what I'd do in this situation, so I can't blame the AI there. I found it very interesting how easy composure grew compared to finishing as well. Very eye opening in my opinion
@@jayhuahua yeh i understand the AI doing it but it would have been cool if they still played him as striker cause i think he could have been better then the finisher striker cause i still feel finishing is easier to train then composure but i still learned from this that composure is still possible to train very well which i did not expect and that is really cool and a great surprise. From my personal experience i feel i often do better with players that have higher composure with lesser finisher then the opposite, but it would not surprise me if other people feel the other way. But i guess that has a lot to do with playstyle and tactic
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you should do a canadian next video 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Not sure if it's my next 🤔 but I have 100% popped a cheeky Canadian in one of the personality experiments that's coming
How do you get the regens to spawn so quick?
There's always some 15 year olds that are regens at the start of every save file, usually more from nations you have loaded, so if you want a specific nationality and don't want to change it manually, load the nation
It's neither, It's Decisions
Decisions... Well this feels like a video in itself
Best club in the world. FC Twente 🎉
I'll assume you are an FC Twente fan?