Would be interesting to see if they would have more success with a higher loyalty value so they actually "build" out a squad over several seasons instead of just jumping ship
By the way managers don't have values it's just what they've sold of players values like that john stones was 100 million sale so 352 million was his value and 100 million that is john stones
Noticed you had Vince Doyle begin his Managerial Career at Age 40. Although "perfect", he had no background as a player. How much does that hurt a manager? Look at Mikel Arteta, who was a star player and began his managerial career at Arsenal at age 37. Unai Emery started his managerial career at age 32. Andoni Iraola started his managerial career at age 37. Thomas Frank, who never played professional, worked his way up the coaching ranks before starting his managerial career at age 35. Roberto De Zerbi started his managerial career at age 34. Vincent Kompany started his managerial career at age 33. Mauricio Pochettino started his managerial career at age 37. Roy Hodgson started his managerial career at age 29. Sean Dyche started his managerial career at age 40. Ok, but he played in lower leagues until he was 36, and his first Managerial jo was Watford, in Championship. Marco Silva started his managerial career at age 34 Jurgen Klopp started his managerial career at age 34. Rob Edwards started his managerial career at age 34. Pep Guardiola started his managerial career at age 36. Erik ten Hag started his managerial career at age 42 (But began coaching at age 32). Eddie Howe started his managerial career at age 31. Steve Cooper started his managerial career at age 35. (Short playing career, and immediately went into the coaching ranks, working his way up) Chris Wilder started his managerial career at age 34. Ange Postecoglou started his managerial career at age 31. David Moyes started his managerial career at age 35. Gary O'Neal started his managerial career at age 37. Point is, these are the current Premier League managers, and most started their manager careers in their early-mid 30's AFTER having successful careers. All started at a higher level than your Vince Doyle. Wonder what career Doyle would have had if you started him in a significantly higher league (at age 40), or gave him a "star" player career, or as you started him in Tier 5 - would it be better to have him start between ages 25-30?
Wow, what a thorough commment and bit of research. You've out done yourself here Bill lol. Yeah I did think that. In future tests he will start higher almost certainly. However, this was my attempt at him being as unemployed as possible, but he had to have a job in order for him to load into the database if that makes sense
Commenting whilst watching so it may be caught onto... But straight away I noticed the Gegenpress style but his Pressung is "Less often" 🤣. Would've loved to see how that would work out lol. Always enjoy your video's man keep it up! 👏
Great video! Couple questions: 1) how do you edit manager loyalty? 2) how do you sim such that the manager actually racks up statistics (wins, losses, accolades, etc...). When I tried it, no statistics pop up because the assistant manager is managing all the games while the manager is on holiday? 3) Is this done via the pre-game editor?
So using the pre game and in game editor I made the manager then made his attributes all 20s then locked them. The manager is not me, as in an in game player. It's someone i created who is in the game just like Pep, Klopp etc. I shortlisted them as a staff member and followed their career
For players usually mid 2040s. For a squad with future transfers mid 2050s, then 100ish for tv deals and youth rating, although be more this year cos it sims so fast
You should give him a rather unique favourite formation so we can see how he influence the world of football. I think Kalvin Phillips influence by Vince Doyle
@@jayhuahua 3-2-1-4 would seem interesting albeit a little suicidal or you could just try things out with a 3-6-1, very midfield oriented and been used in real life (not much for obvious reasons)
Really like your videos. If you do a manager sim would you consider maybe having 2-3 managers at the same time? Was thinking you could have a Postecogleu style all out attack manager (maybe play 3 up front or something and have all the manager traits as being attacking as possible), another ultra-defensive manager who parks the bus (obviously would have a 5 at the back and really defensive manager traits) and one in the middle who plays 4-3-3 and geggen pressing. Also, can you change the manager traits in the editor so you can mess with their preferred transfer targets. Like with the defensive manager have them prefer to buy high profile older players like Mourinho/Conte and the attacking manager have them want to buy u-23 players etc. Not sure how much impact that would have on the simulation and whether that would mean they'd buy better players. Could be interesting to see if the very different styles means different types of clubs target them to be managers too (like Barcelona go for the attacking coach and say Burnley go for the defensive coach). Sorry for the long comment but would be interesting to see another manager experiment if you have the time
So manager videos are very unoredictable and getting thrm to not retire is tricky, so something as finessed as u suggest, while a fabtastic idea, might be very tough to pull off. I do have another manager video coming rhough, it's a perfect potential manager who starts quite average which I hope will be a lot of fun. Multiple managers may make things too long as I have a habit of going off track on tangents 🤣 i love every part of your idea though. I'll look into the possibility 👍 thanks for the comment and NEVER apologise for it being long. Thank u so much for taking the time to watch, then write it. I always take the time to read and reply 👍
You just make a manager or player then add them to a club. I've found it's key to add tbe manager to a clubso they appear in the database. Then it's the luck of the sim, as sometimes they just retire
@@jayhuahua oh okay thanks! also (this may be a dumb question), how do you do the time jumps? everytime i've played FM in the past i could never figure it out and only simulate day by day.
All players have a unique ID, which pertains to facepacks. You can turn it on in preferences and the skin I use allows the ID button to be clicked so it pops up so I can copy and paste rather than typing it out for the faces I insert into the experiments
Nice! you got the views! Wondering how you did not get the manager to retire because all the time i do it he just vanishes after one season any thoughts or tips?
Yeah so that happened to me loads as well last year. I gave him a job and a decent reputation and luckily he got other jobs n once that started the momentum was with him
That's actually a pretty underwhelming career, all things considered. He spent most of his career with top teams (at least top teams in the save) and yet he took ages for that CL title and even underperformed in the leagues.
Sorry, I think I meant he will.leave the Saudi team for free when his contract expires. Thats what usually happens, so I may not have explained myself clearly. Thanks for the input though 👍
You ruined this experiment by only giving him one loyalty. The pattern seemed to be he set up the club for success and then leaves not seeing the benefits of that set up, other managers reaped the rewards of all his set up.
@@jayhuahua I mean sure, but I think had his loyalty been sort of middle of the road, you'd have seen a better reflection of his abilities, instead of getting a club ready for success and not being there to see any of it. Just a thought 😁 the video was good regardless 👍🏻
I love the fact he would be with a club and then leave but the club he left was clearly set up really well and continued to win
He obviously created a great foundation... except at Bayern
20:10 Newcastle with a 152 CA player called Lion King
You're joking. That's anazing, I am devastated I missed that
Would be interesting to see if they would have more success with a higher loyalty value so they actually "build" out a squad over several seasons instead of just jumping ship
Yeah that's a future idea 👍
We need multiple manager sims! This was class!
Now I've worked it out... There will 100% be more
By the way managers don't have values it's just what they've sold of players values like that john stones was 100 million sale so 352 million was his value and 100 million that is john stones
he found out later in the video hahah
around 9:20
Yep, i realised 🤣 u won't be the 1st to comment I'm sure
@@jayhuahua that's not the managers value, it the total value of the players they've sold. Sorry I had to do it!
Hey, i left it in for all to realise how idiotic I can be. I deserve all comments regarding this, so keep them coming 🤣🤣
The manager value thing and your realization after that was gold 🤣🤣 keep going mate, road to 10k 💥
I felt it was something you all deserved to see 🤣
@@jayhuahua thanks for not editing it out 😂 more of the same please 🤣🤣
Noticed you had Vince Doyle begin his Managerial Career at Age 40. Although "perfect", he had no background as a player. How much does that hurt a manager? Look at Mikel Arteta, who was a star player and began his managerial career at Arsenal at age 37.
Unai Emery started his managerial career at age 32.
Andoni Iraola started his managerial career at age 37.
Thomas Frank, who never played professional, worked his way up the coaching ranks before starting his managerial career at age 35.
Roberto De Zerbi started his managerial career at age 34.
Vincent Kompany started his managerial career at age 33.
Mauricio Pochettino started his managerial career at age 37.
Roy Hodgson started his managerial career at age 29.
Sean Dyche started his managerial career at age 40. Ok, but he played in lower leagues until he was 36, and his first Managerial jo was Watford, in Championship.
Marco Silva started his managerial career at age 34
Jurgen Klopp started his managerial career at age 34.
Rob Edwards started his managerial career at age 34.
Pep Guardiola started his managerial career at age 36.
Erik ten Hag started his managerial career at age 42 (But began coaching at age 32).
Eddie Howe started his managerial career at age 31.
Steve Cooper started his managerial career at age 35. (Short playing career, and immediately went into the coaching ranks, working his way up)
Chris Wilder started his managerial career at age 34.
Ange Postecoglou started his managerial career at age 31.
David Moyes started his managerial career at age 35.
Gary O'Neal started his managerial career at age 37.
Point is, these are the current Premier League managers, and most started their manager careers in their early-mid 30's AFTER having successful careers. All started at a higher level than your Vince Doyle.
Wonder what career Doyle would have had if you started him in a significantly higher league (at age 40), or gave him a "star" player career, or as you started him in Tier 5 - would it be better to have him start between ages 25-30?
Wow, what a thorough commment and bit of research. You've out done yourself here Bill lol. Yeah I did think that. In future tests he will start higher almost certainly. However, this was my attempt at him being as unemployed as possible, but he had to have a job in order for him to load into the database if that makes sense
Commenting whilst watching so it may be caught onto... But straight away I noticed the Gegenpress style but his Pressung is "Less often" 🤣. Would've loved to see how that would work out lol. Always enjoy your video's man keep it up! 👏
Oh wow I never noticed that, interesting... was that early on? Maybe he grew out of that which is why success started?
This is the most enjoyable fm content for me mate great job
Gkad you enjoyed. More manager related content coming soon 👍
would love to see this with a manager with no coaching badges
Great idea, one I am planning on already though 👍
Tremendous video. Had me howling at the transfer value realisation!!
Quick Q - what skin are you using? I love the Manager layout for it
Glad you enjoyed. I felt so stupid, you all deserved to see it 🤣
It's the Sas24 skin... link here:
www.mediafire.com/folder/kxim8w96s6dnv/Sas23
Your Gaffe'r value just went up.
🤣🤣
Great video! Couple questions: 1) how do you edit manager loyalty? 2) how do you sim such that the manager actually racks up statistics (wins, losses, accolades, etc...). When I tried it, no statistics pop up because the assistant manager is managing all the games while the manager is on holiday? 3) Is this done via the pre-game editor?
So using the pre game and in game editor I made the manager then made his attributes all 20s then locked them. The manager is not me, as in an in game player. It's someone i created who is in the game just like Pep, Klopp etc. I shortlisted them as a staff member and followed their career
you missed that bayern leverkusen was dominating bundesliga in your save
Nice spot, I hadn't noticed 👍 always hood to see Bayern dethroned
Started and ended his career on tyneside, good to see him come full circle
Poetic how successful he was yet the UCL eluded him... until the end.
Nice concept! how long do you normally Sim your experiments like how many years normally
For players usually mid 2040s. For a squad with future transfers mid 2050s, then 100ish for tv deals and youth rating, although be more this year cos it sims so fast
Madueke to wolves 🤣he wouldn't be too happy with that.
The craziest thing in the entire video was Spurs winning something!
Lots of experiments have Spurs being very successful. Something within the game makes them great after a few seasons
@@jayhuahua I guess simulations can't always be perfect haha :p
Jay's an idiot. But he's our idiot. I was about to explain it the first time, then thought 'nah, he'll work it out eventually,' and I was right 🤣
I felt like such an idiot when I worked it out. I think you can see the moment of realisation 🤣
Lmao thought this was a TomFM video, got jumpscared by a random man. Great vid mate
Haha apologies 😅 but a high compliment for me 👍
You say that you were a tit for mistaking the transfer value, I "knew" it was transfer sales but you convinced me that I must have been wrong haha
Haha I apologise for leading you up the garden path. We got back round in the end 🤣
Sorry just interested, how do you sim it? Just by going holiday or?
Yeah exactly that, just holidaying forward
You should give him a rather unique favourite formation so we can see how he influence the world of football. I think Kalvin Phillips influence by Vince Doyle
Interesting idea. Any formation requests? Might make it a series
@@jayhuahua 3-2-1-4 would seem interesting albeit a little suicidal or you could just try things out with a 3-6-1, very midfield oriented and been used in real life (not much for obvious reasons)
Really like your videos. If you do a manager sim would you consider maybe having 2-3 managers at the same time? Was thinking you could have a Postecogleu style all out attack manager (maybe play 3 up front or something and have all the manager traits as being attacking as possible), another ultra-defensive manager who parks the bus (obviously would have a 5 at the back and really defensive manager traits) and one in the middle who plays 4-3-3 and geggen pressing.
Also, can you change the manager traits in the editor so you can mess with their preferred transfer targets. Like with the defensive manager have them prefer to buy high profile older players like Mourinho/Conte and the attacking manager have them want to buy u-23 players etc.
Not sure how much impact that would have on the simulation and whether that would mean they'd buy better players. Could be interesting to see if the very different styles means different types of clubs target them to be managers too (like Barcelona go for the attacking coach and say Burnley go for the defensive coach).
Sorry for the long comment but would be interesting to see another manager experiment if you have the time
So manager videos are very unoredictable and getting thrm to not retire is tricky, so something as finessed as u suggest, while a fabtastic idea, might be very tough to pull off. I do have another manager video coming rhough, it's a perfect potential manager who starts quite average which I hope will be a lot of fun. Multiple managers may make things too long as I have a habit of going off track on tangents 🤣 i love every part of your idea though. I'll look into the possibility 👍 thanks for the comment and NEVER apologise for it being long. Thank u so much for taking the time to watch, then write it. I always take the time to read and reply 👍
next you shouild make all the staff on one team perfect
I have been testing staff. Quite tricky... as numbers increase massively as a team moves up the leagues
The transfer value is the value of players sold 😂
We got there in the end 🤣
absolutely loved this. im not really familiar with FM, but i love watching the simulations. does anyone know how to setup something like this?
You just make a manager or player then add them to a club. I've found it's key to add tbe manager to a clubso they appear in the database. Then it's the luck of the sim, as sometimes they just retire
@@jayhuahua oh okay thanks! also (this may be a dumb question), how do you do the time jumps? everytime i've played FM in the past i could never figure it out and only simulate day by day.
You created a hunk is what you did.
Lol is that why you clicked?
@@jayhuahua I came for Vince Doyle (pun intended), but I stayed for Shaquille Tjon-A-Loi
🤣🤣🤣
Just seen the player name Llion King in the Newcastle squad hahahaha
The best name FM has ever produced
what reputation did you give him as that would play a part in what jobs he gets hired for
They started as a base 5000, right down the middle, but this obviously grew over time
whats ID in the top right?
All players have a unique ID, which pertains to facepacks. You can turn it on in preferences and the skin I use allows the ID button to be clicked so it pops up so I can copy and paste rather than typing it out for the faces I insert into the experiments
Should’ve made his pressing style “more often” as it’s meta in fm and would’ve played better football
Potentially a good shout, but i didn't interfere with traits or tendencies too much. Thanks for the suggestion though 👍
Nice! you got the views! Wondering how you did not get the manager to retire because all the time i do it he just vanishes after one season any thoughts or tips?
Yeah so that happened to me loads as well last year. I gave him a job and a decent reputation and luckily he got other jobs n once that started the momentum was with him
This coach has Lukaku mentality😂😂😂
Not sure what that means haha
Perfect manager, perfect club HEEDARMY
Heedarmy?
@@jayhuahuagateshead fc fans are called the heed army because we say head funny
good job wahwah
🫡
That's actually a pretty underwhelming career, all things considered. He spent most of his career with top teams (at least top teams in the save) and yet he took ages for that CL title and even underperformed in the leagues.
Yeah maybe more UCL trophies expected. He did win a lot of domestic leagues though
Rennes must have had a tycoon takeover?
Yeah maybe, i didn't think to check. I like to think Vince worked wonders
YO where can i find the skin you are using?
www.mediafire.com/folder/kxim8w96s6dnv/Sas23
You can find the different versions here
how do you get the ca and pa to show@@jayhuahua
It's simply adding them as columns as u would anything else, however you need to have the in game editor enabled to do it
Bath lost 0:1 to Yeovil…….. and City were dominated by Villa……
Not a great gameweek for me 😭😭
💚🤍💚🤍💚
City losing pleased me, especially as United beat Chelsea 😄
A regen with 20 crossing??????
Who was that? One of the Newcastle superstars?
John stones didn't leave on a free it says 100m
Sorry, I think I meant he will.leave the Saudi team for free when his contract expires. Thats what usually happens, so I may not have explained myself clearly. Thanks for the input though 👍
@@jayhuahua are u from stoke on trent by any chance
Not far... just north of there, little town called Buxton. Why you ask?
@@jayhuahua it's the accent lol originally from stoke but live in Cornwall
Ahhh fair. I always felt the accent was more akin to Manchester than Stoke as Buxton is half way in between
are you a wolves fan i am
Random question, did I elude to being a Wolves fan somewhere? But no, I am sadly a United fan
You ruined this experiment by only giving him one loyalty.
The pattern seemed to be he set up the club for success and then leaves not seeing the benefits of that set up, other managers reaped the rewards of all his set up.
Ruined... or left myself room to do future videos 🙃
@@jayhuahua I mean sure, but I think had his loyalty been sort of middle of the road, you'd have seen a better reflection of his abilities, instead of getting a club ready for success and not being there to see any of it. Just a thought 😁 the video was good regardless 👍🏻
Add some background music
Noted
ABCDPSG
Huh?