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I think in the future instead of having all the other attributes at 10 you should make them 15, just so it’s not such a stark difference in quality. For example I think strength would be a lot less important if it was a more realistic advantage, rather than literally double everyone else on the pitch. Same with all the physicals tbh
Would be interesting to see how the list would be if you set the attribute you are checking to 15 instead. I think the spread would look a bit different. I suspect some attributes, like dribbling, scale better than others. I also suspect the reason for Strength being so good is that it's usually the only attribute a defender has that is better than the opposing striker. So they made it matter a lot in the box to give defenders a chance. Edit: Oh, and great videos btw. Keep em coming!
Experiment idea: 20 in every stat except one stat which is at 10 so you can see if there is a stat that even with everything else being good, what will hold your players back the most
That is actually the greatest idea ever! Though I don't think a player can get 20 at almost everything because his CA had to be 500 or something then but it can't get higher than 200 so I think 15 at everything would work.
I once had a regen striker with 18 finishing and I thought he was going to be a god and then he got out scored by my wingers who like yours had about 6 finishing Hahahaha
I had an 11 finishing and 10 heading winger (actually in winger role) who scored almost 100 goals in 6-7 seasons for me and I checked his strength after this video, it was 15!
You can have Harry Kane-like finishing strikers in FM without great strength or pace, but you need other shooting attributes too. Good technique, balance and first touch along with finishing makes a great striker. But yeah, playing in the low leagues recently it’s taken me far too long to realise if your striker is only good at one stat, it should be physical.
@@jat7018 for me I had a striker who was an absolute beast in non leagues (we re talking minimum 45 goals/season and the physicals and ofc strength are his strongest attributes )
Rather than giving everyone the same attribute score all around, do you think I'd be better to do it based on position? For example give defenders all the same attribute as eachother, but make it realistic for a defender. A key issue with strength being the top of the table is that the defender all had 10 strength which is extremely unrealistic as average strength for defenders is probably closer to 15
A test on goalkeepers would be interesting...I can never quite work out exactly what makes a good goalie and often the ones I think will be awesome turn out to be trash
I think strength is a very good attribute to have especially when all the opponents are weaker, like everyone here having 10. If you had to play better opponents with actual stats I imagine it'd have less of a real impact. Still, food for thought. Great content man.
And simulating even for once season means that those attributes would change sure to training, injuries etc so you can't truly know what is really important
Yes, if you play in a bad league an aerial dominant player, strength/jumping/heading, is unstoppable on set pieces. Against more balance opponents not so much.
People who go out and just buy strong strikers now have really missed the point. Being twice as strong as every other player on the pitch is a far bigger advantage than being twice as good at finishing. Finishing doesn't help you gain an advantage over another player.
On the "off the ball" attribute thing; I remember hearing Teddy Sheringham had "the 1st yard in his head" a lot as a kid. That's off the ball movement. That's why he signed for Man Utd and won the Champions league in his 30s. And then carried on playing in the prem until he was 40
Hey Z can you do something like that but as Team Technical vs Team Mental vs Team Physical? I’m afraid it wouldn’t be as informative cause wingers and centrebacks will have different needs but I’d find it interesting.
for what its worth, i did a test on fm19 comparing all three with individual players and teams, i ran loads of different variations and physical always came out on top or produced the best player every time, followed some way back by technicals and finally mentals were quite poor. The one thing i found interesting was the lower down the leagues you go, physicals became even more important, which makes sense when you think about it. Since then, when i do a non league save and climb to the prem i always focus on the physical attributes first and have had a lot of success with it.
Could you include weak foot in these? Id like to see how two footed fc does. Also isnt the simulation different when simming than when watching? Do we know that simming will accurately reflect when we play? Also I loved this! Keep making nerdy stat videos!
I actually expected composure to be much higher. Being cold blooded seems like a must-have for a striker to me. What I really take from this, it's the advantage of work-rate over determination. I know it's really difficult to measure, but it would be cool to see if players with high determination actually have a higher chance of make comebacks in a match or not. Because if not, and your club strategy doesn't involve developing players, it would be something less to look for when scouting and signing players.
The best strikers I have had in Fm are always the ones who have good off the ball and anticipation, composure and pace. But I usually play with Advanced Forwards, its pretty meta in this game to have a smart & fast striker. And has been so for many versions.
The bigger surprise in my mind is that Long Shots did so badly. Considering I see absolute wonder goals every other game (usually the other team scoring against me).
You did a pretty good job with this test. Thank you very much. Know i finally understand why my shitty striker with streng and heading at 15 scores so much
Attributes you can't live without would be a cool experiment. Something like a database where players on a team all have 1 in a single stat, and then 10 in all other stats. So for instance, team "Low Dribbling" would have 10 in every stat except dribbling, which would be 1. This could be useful for lower league saves when you're evaluating players who have mostly good stats, but there's a stat or two that's abysmal.
Nice video and i believe more accurate than the first one. I would suggest the next attribute testing if it happens to be a bit different . I will say it in terms of this one and u can modify it it accordingly. You make every player with 15 attributes or 20 in everything except the attribute u want to test which will be 10 . I believe that 15 the max and 10 the least is better in general because someone with 20 strength will hammer someone with only 10 . Also i would check not only the points in the league but key things in the position i want to check . For instance avg rating of the strikers in each team , because they are strikes goals and maybe assists. i guess it gets to technical so only season avg rating will do . The thing i believe its important is to make the testing attribute for a position the worst and see how the lack of it determines the avg rating of the position i dont know for sure but i believe it's more accurate.
That puts it together. In lower leagues both teams are struggling to score. Every ball flies to corner off GK chest. Seems that STR more than 10 is a "stat check" and the game mechanics are broken so your scoring chance is negligable otherwise. I think that if change 10-20 test to 1-10 result may be even more noticeable.
Sergio Ramos is a good example of a player with high Strentgh and Heading who does pretty well on the attacking front without being an attacker. Those two attributes are pretty important in real life too. :)
What really amazes me is seeing an american so interested and good at football manager. Abraços do Brasil. Great Channel 👍 (wait... wait... strenght?!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The results make sense as in my new ac Milan save Zlatan had good stats but lacked physically due to his age, his attributes over time lowered, his ability to get into the spaces required to have a shot on goal was so limit he only scored 2 goals in all comps in which he played about 30-32 games, it’s sad because I feel like you can’t have a nostalgic older player brought in at the end of his career even tho his stats are still good
I have an idea for an experiment - which position is most important? Have a bunch of teams, each with players in a different position's scores boosted up by 2 from the baseline 10. Or boost to 20 if you wanna be crazy about it, I'd just be really interested to see that incremental change
Interesting that passing was so high. I wonder if that was down to having a strike partner or not so an interesting test would be if playing up to on their own would change that.
You should do a Version 2 of this league, where instead of 1 attribute at 20, you have 2 paired attributes at 20. Strength & Heading FC, Dribbling & OTB FC, Finishing & Composure FC, Stamina & Work Rate FC and so on.
honestly my big takeaway is that marking is so high. You would figure it would be worse for strikers because it would allow them to win the ball further up the field but that wasn't the case.
While it was unfortunate, nobody meant to do it. There have been all kinds of glitches on the different platforms/games lately this one can be added to the list. Zealand and streamer showdown lowdown handled it beautifully. Each production the Stream showdown has so much to pull together, do such a great job Juggling all, and consistently improve each stream. So we have to be thankful for the entertainment they are providing us. Congrats to Tom for the win and Jack for having such a great run! Zealand will have many more chances in the future to win, and you know it will be an even sweeter journey now, when he does! 💕you @roscoedoger , thanks for being such a great Hammer!!!
experiment for YOU: I do not know much of FM20 but in previous versions there was possibility to edit PROFESSIONALISM much more than all other stats. It was funny to watch players with 95 professionalism in your team, however i never noticed any benefits comparing Professionalism eg. 95 to 20 So check it does the game can read more than 20 :)
After seeing Didier Drogba through the 2000s do so well, I noticed he didn't get pushed around by the defense because he was so strong; I started looking for strikers with Strength and Composure when I could, and I was impressed with the results. Glad to see a little confirmation here ☺
This is the kind of content I want to watch from a fm RUclipsr. Thank you for doing this. Would be very happy to see you do all these Sims in fm21 as well.
I've always chosen strikers with high "off the ball" and "composure". I noticed the most prolific strikers for me have had high attributes there. I'm surprised pace was so low though - I have also had fast strikers or midfielders with less than 10 finishing that have been very prolific. If I have 2 up front, I quite like the classic one fast (16+) and one slow striker (~11).
some attributes works well with other attributes. Tackling works well with bravery (and aggressiveness) for instance or passing works well technique. Finishing alone is not enough if you dont have composure and desicions. So I think its understandable finishing was so low
Against a back 3... Strength would be the best attribute for a stiker. There is no space to play, so you gotta get up close and personal. Against a back 4 it would be something else! 😅
I would say the only reason strength won is because every CB had strength of 10 so this would be different if you place them against stronger defenders
Off the ball is lethal, that's why Tammy Abraham was top goalscorer for Chelsea this season and he's scored 2 in 2 games for us. He gets himself so many opportunities even if his actual finishing could be improved.
before i watch the video im gonna guess and say acceleration and strength... ok i didnt do too bad, i noticed how important strength was years a go when i took a punt on a 5 star rated striker who didnt look that good, he was just strong, i guess its because if you have no strength then youll just get bullied off of the ball, and it doesnt matter how good you are, if youre weak then the other team just wont let you play. nowadays all my players have a certain amount of strength, especially midfielders and defenders. also, a tip if you want a good defender: get strength, pace and acceleration. its kinda the same as a striker but opposite, if youre defenders cant keep up with the opposition strikers then all his tackling/work rate/marking/aggression etc becomes irrelevant, your guy just wont be able to do any defending if he has 7 pace and acceleration vs a striker who has 17 pace and acceleration
This is kinda an inconclusive experiment because doesn't take into consideration traits, which in my opinion are very important to fully exploit attributes. My top must have for a striker are always speed and OTB. I still think this is useful though, I'll be paying more attention to strength from now on.
I know the amount of work you put into this must of been incredible but this is one of your most informative and highly useful videos you have done. Amazing work . Cheers
I'd be interested in seeing this simulation with players in typical styles for their role...f.e. give defenders typical defending stats, wingers typical winger stats and see whether stuff has changed...also I guess it's really important to look at the tactical approach, to have some balanced tactic for it
Two things we REALLY need to know. 1. The Combo. The 3 Stats Combined that outpace all other 3 Stat Combos. Because getting a guy with 9 to 12 Stats really high isn't likely, but finding a guy (and training a guy) in the Right 3 can be done by most of us. And then, of course, the Training Regiment that amps those specific 3. :D 2. And the C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! What Stat fights in the shade, alone on a narrow mountain pass, the True Spartan that just keeps the Combo at Bay... if one exists. Then we can create fan-fic and role play about these epic struggles. No... wait... we just Train guys in FM23 and let them duke it out there. I guess we can still role-play while we do that, though.
I love you Zealand, but these kind of comparisons/videos are totally trash, nonsense and impractical. No ones going to face with defenders whose attributes are all 10 or no striker on anywhere above amateur clubs have only one good ability and rest trash. You can definitely improve this. For example, you can create 5 different types of strikers. One with high finishing-composure-off the ball and one with heading-strengh-jumping... etc... You get what i mean. And make them play against some real teams, real defenders, real midfielders. Good ones and bad ones. So you can also compare, because a good dribbler might be a totally impossible guy to defend for bad defenders while a good finisher won't make the same impact against bad defenders. Or having a crazy strengh might always be good. And when you do these of course it will get more accurate but it is not over yet, you can always improve the efficiency so it will keep on going like this. Change this change that. But still, anything would be more accurate compared to ones that you are currently doing. I'm sorry to say.
Gotta agree with BiggDanKillen Strikers being dominant in 1 attribute is something I wonder how same experiment will result when the opponent defenders have all attributes 15. While it is easy to infer that high off the ball strikers perform better they're simply beating up relatively low off the ball and positioning defenders. While I appreciate your experimental educational video. I believe If defender stats are raised to overperform against striker's non-isolated stats results may vary. This experiment checks out striker attribute performance against less CA(current ability) defenders, I wonder how will the results change against same or higher CA defenders.
Klopp came out and said that Divock Origi was easily the best finisher in the Liverpool Squad. He was behind Salah, Firmino, (Mane), Dias, Jota, etc. in the starting lineup.
I would love to see one of these for Keepers. I’ve had a bunch of different goalies with different attribute strengths in saves but have never really seen a noticeable difference in overall performance when it’s come to different attribute strengths in the position.
Pace at 20+, marking at 13th, finishing at 25th? free kicks and penalties higher than longshots and finishing? Other than the top-2 that were clear cut, maybe simulate a few more leagues? like another 5 or 10? Its so hard to fathom, i can't even try to explain free kicks and marking being that much higher than shooting the ball
This is so dumb. If you make everyone's vision, passing and crossing 20 then finishing will be way better. The problem is the finishing strikers aren't getting quality chances from 10-rated idiots
I think that Strength comparison is deceptive. Rarely you will have strikers stronger than the defenders and even then most defenders for first team ( even in lower leagues ) have more than 10 STR. So the scaling of it wouldn't really work that well. Some stats do have bigger disparities from 10 to 15 to 20 and have way bigger impact head to head. Strength seems to be one of them.
I'm not overly convinced that strength is the answer in a usual gameplay though. In this all the defenders are on 10 strength so the 20 strength strikers easily overpower them. In a standard game the defenders would probably have 15-20 strength compared to the same on a striker. I actually think the best way to do this would've been every stat at 20 and then one at 10, then do the comparison over the 10 years and the stat at 10 which scores the fewest goals would be the one that is most key for a striker.
The TRUE Test would be, all these Teams you are facing off against, are 20's in EVERYTHING. The 'Impossible to Score On'... only the purest of Goals would get through.
Video idea: Make a 20 strength 20 heading 20 dribbling 20 off the ball and 20 work rate striker with the rest stats at 10 and see how it goes. See if he win golden shoes every year.
does not surprise me at all. finishing and long shots dont seem to matter. 17 finishing and if still pass it to the goalie, meanwhile ppl with 8 longshots ram home worldclass out of the box goals. pace also makes sense because breakaways are garbage, strikers cant score 1v1 or make simple passes across the goal so who needs pace. heading and strenght makes sense because headed crosses are the easiest to score. work rate is important to latch onto long balls. these ratings reflect the limitations of the simulation system
Yo Z, first of all Great channel. I'm a FM fanatic and your channel, no discussion, is the best in the game. I got a couple of questions for you: Do you think that Si games and EA sports will improve the tranfer section? will they allow the manager to make sponsorship deals? and the most important thing: will they fix some of the bugs? Van Dijk(scores like an international striker) the gegenpress(is almost undefeatable). I'm looking forward to see your replay Have a nice day.
i feel like you should do these but instead of everyone just having 10 of everything you could work out what the average cb, rb and lb and etc. are, in terms of attributes and height and even footedness, then you get to test the striker attributes against what the average backline, that might affect the success of certain attributes (like heading) although i do think there’s a lot of successful takeaways to your test especially the “creating shots > finishing shots” point
No one attribute is good enough to "carry" a player on it's own. It's usually a varying combination of multiple attributes that impact different phases of play. Almost like it's a real life coaching sim, huh? Mentals are usually the most consistent. Most physicals do well cause they can abuse shit set piece defending really effectively.
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I think in the future instead of having all the other attributes at 10 you should make them 15, just so it’s not such a stark difference in quality. For example I think strength would be a lot less important if it was a more realistic advantage, rather than literally double everyone else on the pitch. Same with all the physicals tbh
1. strength
2. heading
3. dribbling
4. off the ball
5. work rate
6. technique
7. acceleration
8. composure
9. vision
10. passing
I mean in a system of all average players, of course the Target Man types will fare better since Set-pieces and crosses can be over-powered.
the top 3 is not surprising at all , but i expected composure to have more impact tbh
Thank you. Ngl I think Zealand rambles a bit too much at times
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Can you do for other positions please??
Would be interesting to see how the list would be if you set the attribute you are checking to 15 instead. I think the spread would look a bit different. I suspect some attributes, like dribbling, scale better than others. I also suspect the reason for Strength being so good is that it's usually the only attribute a defender has that is better than the opposing striker. So they made it matter a lot in the box to give defenders a chance.
Edit: Oh, and great videos btw. Keep em coming!
That was my first thought too! Maybe setting them at least at 13 would make the results more "realistic" and more useful for us all.
Experiment idea:
20 in every stat except one stat which is at 10 so you can see if there is a stat that even with everything else being good, what will hold your players back the most
That is actually the greatest idea ever! Though I don't think a player can get 20 at almost everything because his CA had to be 500 or something then but it can't get higher than 200 so I think 15 at everything would work.
Now THAT sounds super dope. Would love to see that video too
@@tarkdasgn8270 You can freeze attributes which i already think they are doing otherwise players would change
I had a save in League Two where my top scorer in one season was a winger, by quite a margin, with 3 finishing.
I once had a regen striker with 18 finishing and I thought he was going to be a god and then he got out scored by my wingers who like yours had about 6 finishing Hahahaha
I had an 11 finishing and 10 heading winger (actually in winger role) who scored almost 100 goals in 6-7 seasons for me and I checked his strength after this video, it was 15!
You can have Harry Kane-like finishing strikers in FM without great strength or pace, but you need other shooting attributes too. Good technique, balance and first touch along with finishing makes a great striker.
But yeah, playing in the low leagues recently it’s taken me far too long to realise if your striker is only good at one stat, it should be physical.
@@jat7018 for me I had a striker who was an absolute beast in non leagues (we re talking minimum 45 goals/season and the physicals and ofc strength are his strongest attributes
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The best striker I ever had in FM was an absolutely nothing player with 11 finishing but 20 composure.
Rather than giving everyone the same attribute score all around, do you think I'd be better to do it based on position? For example give defenders all the same attribute as eachother, but make it realistic for a defender. A key issue with strength being the top of the table is that the defender all had 10 strength which is extremely unrealistic as average strength for defenders is probably closer to 15
A test on goalkeepers would be interesting...I can never quite work out exactly what makes a good goalie and often the ones I think will be awesome turn out to be trash
Passing, shot stopping, and agility for me
@@jbo4547 there is no "shot stopping" attribute, so which attributes do you lump together to get "shot stopping"?
@@MultiChillidog hmmm im not looking at my FM but i probably meant reflexes or some shit. Idk man lol
Single most important attribute is handling. Don't drop the soap in prison or the football in the area.
For me is consistency. 3 star, very consistent GK do the trick.
I think strength is a very good attribute to have especially when all the opponents are weaker, like everyone here having 10.
If you had to play better opponents with actual stats I imagine it'd have less of a real impact.
Still, food for thought. Great content man.
Yeah I agree its very rare that a striker would have a lot more strength than a defender.
And simulating even for once season means that those attributes would change sure to training, injuries etc so you can't truly know what is really important
@@Jur1_00 they wouldn't change that much
Those strikers with high strength are target man
Yes, if you play in a bad league an aerial dominant player, strength/jumping/heading, is unstoppable on set pieces.
Against more balance opponents not so much.
People who go out and just buy strong strikers now have really missed the point. Being twice as strong as every other player on the pitch is a far bigger advantage than being twice as good at finishing. Finishing doesn't help you gain an advantage over another player.
On the "off the ball" attribute thing; I remember hearing Teddy Sheringham had "the 1st yard in his head" a lot as a kid. That's off the ball movement. That's why he signed for Man Utd and won the Champions league in his 30s. And then carried on playing in the prem until he was 40
Hey Z can you do something like that but as Team Technical vs Team Mental vs Team Physical? I’m afraid it wouldn’t be as informative cause wingers and centrebacks will have different needs but I’d find it interesting.
Team technical easily wins. Difference between being actually good at football and usain bolt 😂
I’d actually assumed mentals win because of composure, decisions, positioning and all that jam
Besir Sehabi I believe mental will beat physical, but being good with the football is more important than being smart. But it would be good to see :)
for what its worth, i did a test on fm19 comparing all three with individual players and teams, i ran loads of different variations and physical always came out on top or produced the best player every time, followed some way back by technicals and finally mentals were quite poor. The one thing i found interesting was the lower down the leagues you go, physicals became even more important, which makes sense when you think about it. Since then, when i do a non league save and climb to the prem i always focus on the physical attributes first and have had a lot of success with it.
Could you include weak foot in these? Id like to see how two footed fc does.
Also isnt the simulation different when simming than when watching? Do we know that simming will accurately reflect when we play?
Also I loved this! Keep making nerdy stat videos!
I actually expected composure to be much higher. Being cold blooded seems like a must-have for a striker to me. What I really take from this, it's the advantage of work-rate over determination. I know it's really difficult to measure, but it would be cool to see if players with high determination actually have a higher chance of make comebacks in a match or not. Because if not, and your club strategy doesn't involve developing players, it would be something less to look for when scouting and signing players.
But what attribute had the most goals or best goalscoring striker's?
The best strikers I have had in Fm are always the ones who have good off the ball and anticipation, composure and pace. But I usually play with Advanced Forwards, its pretty meta in this game to have a smart & fast striker. And has been so for many versions.
The bigger surprise in my mind is that Long Shots did so badly. Considering I see absolute wonder goals every other game (usually the other team scoring against me).
I think it's due to the fact that longshot alone doesn't generate goals. Need finishing and other attributes as well, like vision and teqnique.
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You did a pretty good job with this test. Thank you very much. Know i finally understand why my shitty striker with streng and heading at 15 scores so much
Attributes you can't live without would be a cool experiment. Something like a database where players on a team all have 1 in a single stat, and then 10 in all other stats. So for instance, team "Low Dribbling" would have 10 in every stat except dribbling, which would be 1. This could be useful for lower league saves when you're evaluating players who have mostly good stats, but there's a stat or two that's abysmal.
Nice video and i believe more accurate than the first one. I would suggest the next attribute testing if it happens to be a bit different . I will say it in terms of this one and u can modify it it accordingly. You make every player with 15 attributes or 20 in everything except the attribute u want to test which will be 10 . I believe that 15 the max and 10 the least is better in general because someone with 20 strength will hammer someone with only 10 . Also i would check not only the points in the league but key things in the position i want to check . For instance avg rating of the strikers in each team , because they are strikes goals and maybe assists. i guess it gets to technical so only season avg rating will do . The thing i believe its important is to make the testing attribute for a position the worst and see how the lack of it determines the avg rating of the position i dont know for sure but i believe it's more accurate.
That puts it together. In lower leagues both teams are struggling to score. Every ball flies to corner off GK chest.
Seems that STR more than 10 is a "stat check" and the game mechanics are broken so your scoring chance is negligable otherwise.
I think that if change 10-20 test to 1-10 result may be even more noticeable.
Sergio Ramos is a good example of a player with high Strentgh and Heading who does pretty well on the attacking front without being an attacker. Those two attributes are pretty important in real life too. :)
Pls do this for every position😃
What really amazes me is seeing an american so interested and good at football manager. Abraços do Brasil. Great Channel 👍 (wait... wait... strenght?!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The results make sense as in my new ac Milan save Zlatan had good stats but lacked physically due to his age, his attributes over time lowered, his ability to get into the spaces required to have a shot on goal was so limit he only scored 2 goals in all comps in which he played about 30-32 games, it’s sad because I feel like you can’t have a nostalgic older player brought in at the end of his career even tho his stats are still good
I have an idea for an experiment - which position is most important? Have a bunch of teams, each with players in a different position's scores boosted up by 2 from the baseline 10.
Or boost to 20 if you wanna be crazy about it, I'd just be really interested to see that incremental change
Interesting that passing was so high. I wonder if that was down to having a strike partner or not so an interesting test would be if playing up to on their own would change that.
The best formation is the 433. Your striker needs passing to pick up his wide players.
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This would explain why Chris wood is always one of the top scorer in the Prem in my saves
You should do a Version 2 of this league, where instead of 1 attribute at 20, you have 2 paired attributes at 20. Strength & Heading FC, Dribbling & OTB FC, Finishing & Composure FC, Stamina & Work Rate FC and so on.
honestly my big takeaway is that marking is so high. You would figure it would be worse for strikers because it would allow them to win the ball further up the field but that wasn't the case.
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Been waiting for this upload ever since I saw it live! Btw, I'm actually still mad about the Streamer Showdown lol.
While it was unfortunate, nobody meant to do it. There have been all kinds of glitches on the different platforms/games lately this one can be added to the list. Zealand and streamer showdown lowdown handled it beautifully. Each production the Stream showdown has so much to pull together, do such a great job Juggling all, and consistently improve each stream. So we have to be thankful for the entertainment they are providing us. Congrats to Tom for the win and Jack for having such a great run! Zealand will have many more chances in the future to win, and you know it will be an even sweeter journey now, when he does! 💕you @roscoedoger , thanks for being such a great Hammer!!!
Hi zealand if you do the same but with all attributes in 15 and the specific one with 10 could be other way to see the importance of the attributes
experiment for YOU:
I do not know much of FM20 but in previous versions there was possibility to edit PROFESSIONALISM much more than all other stats. It was funny to watch players with 95 professionalism in your team, however i never noticed any benefits comparing Professionalism eg. 95 to 20
So check it does the game can read more than 20 :)
After seeing Didier Drogba through the 2000s do so well, I noticed he didn't get pushed around by the defense because he was so strong; I started looking for strikers with Strength and Composure when I could, and I was impressed with the results. Glad to see a little confirmation here ☺
This is the kind of content I want to watch from a fm RUclipsr. Thank you for doing this. Would be very happy to see you do all these Sims in fm21 as well.
I've always chosen strikers with high "off the ball" and "composure". I noticed the most prolific strikers for me have had high attributes there. I'm surprised pace was so low though - I have also had fast strikers or midfielders with less than 10 finishing that have been very prolific. If I have 2 up front, I quite like the classic one fast (16+) and one slow striker (~11).
This is some proper research, thanks for it. Any plans for more positions?
So thats why my main striker with 17 finish cant score and my 2nd striker with 11 finish is top scorer....job not well done SI.
nice video zealand, ive already finished it
I’m far too intrigued by the British Lions shirt in the thumbnail. Are you a rugby union fan? Have you been to the UK?
Damn 'nice' and i just signed Toney for Sunderland in the championship....hope he does good
some attributes works well with other attributes. Tackling works well with bravery (and aggressiveness) for instance or passing works well technique. Finishing alone is not enough if you dont have composure and desicions. So I think its understandable finishing was so low
You should so a follow up investigation do the same setup except the tenth and 1st best attribute are both 20
So 1-10 both 20
2-9 both 20 etc
Against a back 3... Strength would be the best attribute for a stiker. There is no space to play, so you gotta get up close and personal. Against a back 4 it would be something else! 😅
I would say the only reason strength won is because every CB had strength of 10 so this would be different if you place them against stronger defenders
Off the ball is lethal, that's why Tammy Abraham was top goalscorer for Chelsea this season and he's scored 2 in 2 games for us. He gets himself so many opportunities even if his actual finishing could be improved.
before i watch the video im gonna guess and say acceleration and strength...
ok i didnt do too bad, i noticed how important strength was years a go when i took a punt on a 5 star rated striker who didnt look that good, he was just strong, i guess its because if you have no strength then youll just get bullied off of the ball, and it doesnt matter how good you are, if youre weak then the other team just wont let you play. nowadays all my players have a certain amount of strength, especially midfielders and defenders. also, a tip if you want a good defender: get strength, pace and acceleration. its kinda the same as a striker but opposite, if youre defenders cant keep up with the opposition strikers then all his tackling/work rate/marking/aggression etc becomes irrelevant, your guy just wont be able to do any defending if he has 7 pace and acceleration vs a striker who has 17 pace and acceleration
Did he do same video for other positions???
This is kinda an inconclusive experiment because doesn't take into consideration traits, which in my opinion are very important to fully exploit attributes. My top must have for a striker are always speed and OTB. I still think this is useful though, I'll be paying more attention to strength from now on.
Cool video 😁 Can you do one for goalkeepers? 🤔
The Google Drive link doesn't work :(
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RUclips broke the link in the description
Depends on your tactics. Having said that, I tend to look at Anticipation and Off the ball stats first for my strikers
Strength has always been my priority for strikers since FM2007. Works every year.
Will you do these types of videos at the start of fm21 as these results may differ a lot in a new game?
nice video ! :D why 10 as the low threshold, why not 1 and then 20. to really see what attribrute that stands out on itsown?
Strikers with low finishing: "we're still useful" lol
Yeah as a midfielder.
I know the amount of work you put into this must of been incredible but this is one of your most informative and highly useful videos you have done. Amazing work . Cheers
I'd be interested in seeing this simulation with players in typical styles for their role...f.e. give defenders typical defending stats, wingers typical winger stats and see whether stuff has changed...also I guess it's really important to look at the tactical approach, to have some balanced tactic for it
Two things we REALLY need to know.
1. The Combo. The 3 Stats Combined that outpace all other 3 Stat Combos. Because getting a guy with 9 to 12 Stats really high isn't likely, but finding a guy (and training a guy) in the Right 3 can be done by most of us. And then, of course, the Training Regiment that amps those specific 3. :D
2. And the C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! What Stat fights in the shade, alone on a narrow mountain pass, the True Spartan that just keeps the Combo at Bay... if one exists.
Then we can create fan-fic and role play about these epic struggles. No... wait... we just Train guys in FM23 and let them duke it out there. I guess we can still role-play while we do that, though.
I'm really starting to believe that this is the best Football Manager channel in history, keep up the good work.
I love you Zealand, but these kind of comparisons/videos are totally trash, nonsense and impractical. No ones going to face with defenders whose attributes are all 10 or no striker on anywhere above amateur clubs have only one good ability and rest trash.
You can definitely improve this. For example, you can create 5 different types of strikers. One with high finishing-composure-off the ball and one with heading-strengh-jumping... etc... You get what i mean. And make them play against some real teams, real defenders, real midfielders. Good ones and bad ones. So you can also compare, because a good dribbler might be a totally impossible guy to defend for bad defenders while a good finisher won't make the same impact against bad defenders. Or having a crazy strengh might always be good. And when you do these of course it will get more accurate but it is not over yet, you can always improve the efficiency so it will keep on going like this. Change this change that. But still, anything would be more accurate compared to ones that you are currently doing. I'm sorry to say.
Gotta agree with BiggDanKillen Strikers being dominant in 1 attribute is something I wonder how same experiment will result when the opponent defenders have all attributes 15. While it is easy to infer that high off the ball strikers perform better they're simply beating up relatively low off the ball and positioning defenders. While I appreciate your experimental educational video. I believe If defender stats are raised to overperform against striker's non-isolated stats results may vary. This experiment checks out striker attribute performance against less CA(current ability) defenders, I wonder how will the results change against same or higher CA defenders.
Klopp came out and said that Divock Origi was easily the best finisher in the Liverpool Squad. He was behind Salah, Firmino, (Mane), Dias, Jota, etc. in the starting lineup.
I would love to see one of these for Keepers. I’ve had a bunch of different goalies with different attribute strengths in saves but have never really seen a noticeable difference in overall performance when it’s come to different attribute strengths in the position.
Pace at 20+, marking at 13th, finishing at 25th? free kicks and penalties higher than longshots and finishing? Other than the top-2 that were clear cut, maybe simulate a few more leagues? like another 5 or 10? Its so hard to fathom, i can't even try to explain free kicks and marking being that much higher than shooting the ball
This is so dumb. If you make everyone's vision, passing and crossing 20 then finishing will be way better. The problem is the finishing strikers aren't getting quality chances from 10-rated idiots
I think that Strength comparison is deceptive. Rarely you will have strikers stronger than the defenders and even then most defenders for first team ( even in lower leagues ) have more than 10 STR.
So the scaling of it wouldn't really work that well. Some stats do have bigger disparities from 10 to 15 to 20 and have way bigger impact head to head. Strength seems to be one of them.
I think a way to make this even more accurate would be take out the highest and lowest score of the 10.
Getting rid of the outliers
I'm not overly convinced that strength is the answer in a usual gameplay though. In this all the defenders are on 10 strength so the 20 strength strikers easily overpower them. In a standard game the defenders would probably have 15-20 strength compared to the same on a striker.
I actually think the best way to do this would've been every stat at 20 and then one at 10, then do the comparison over the 10 years and the stat at 10 which scores the fewest goals would be the one that is most key for a striker.
The TRUE Test would be, all these Teams you are facing off against, are 20's in EVERYTHING. The 'Impossible to Score On'... only the purest of Goals would get through.
Video idea: Make a 20 strength 20 heading 20 dribbling 20 off the ball and 20 work rate striker with the rest stats at 10 and see how it goes. See if he win golden shoes every year.
The dance would have been a great teaser for your upcoming onlyfans account
does not surprise me at all. finishing and long shots dont seem to matter. 17 finishing and if still pass it to the goalie, meanwhile ppl with 8 longshots ram home worldclass out of the box goals. pace also makes sense because breakaways are garbage, strikers cant score 1v1 or make simple passes across the goal so who needs pace. heading and strenght makes sense because headed crosses are the easiest to score. work rate is important to latch onto long balls. these ratings reflect the limitations of the simulation system
So this is why Adama Traore is such a beast in my Wolves save
Are these attribute rankings still accurate in fm22? Does SI tweak the value of these year by year for balance?
Man...This has made me think less of the game. Fucking hell SI, sort your match engine out.
How about average goals scored by every striker?
You should be taking the median over average
I guess Finishing is low because if you can't get into position to shoot, it doesn't really matter how good you are at shooting?
Not only is an American interested in football, in the thumbnail he has a Lions jersey. Makes me wonder if hes into cricket too
I might be wrong but I think strength affects how well they finish. shot power and all that
To be honest i believe these attributes maybe very much subject to your tactics.. like i fb you took tikitaka here, maybe finishing would be in top10!
So basically lukaku is the best striker in the game(well sort of kind of)
So with your stat comparison in game CR7 should be much better then messi
Yo Z, first of all Great channel.
I'm a FM fanatic and your channel, no discussion, is the best in the game.
I got a couple of questions for you:
Do you think that Si games and EA sports will improve the tranfer section? will they allow the manager to make sponsorship deals? and the most important thing: will they fix some of the bugs? Van Dijk(scores like an international striker) the gegenpress(is almost undefeatable).
I'm looking forward to see your replay
Have a nice day.
Maybe it would be different if you put average number below 10.
Give everyone 15 attributes because that’s more realistic in the higher leagues
I wasn’t expecting finishing to be number one, but not even in the top 10?
Strength is the best attribute for Strikers. So this is why you can break down defense by make that player strength is high like a truck.
So that's why Ronaldo and Lewandowski are so buff.
The attributes show us why Advanced Forward is so lethal
i feel like you should do these but instead of everyone just having 10 of everything you could work out what the average cb, rb and lb and etc. are, in terms of attributes and height and even footedness, then you get to test the striker attributes against what the average backline, that might affect the success of certain attributes (like heading) although i do think there’s a lot of successful takeaways to your test especially the “creating shots > finishing shots” point
That striker just punch everyone out of their way
No one attribute is good enough to "carry" a player on it's own. It's usually a varying combination of multiple attributes that impact different phases of play. Almost like it's a real life coaching sim, huh? Mentals are usually the most consistent. Most physicals do well cause they can abuse shit set piece defending really effectively.
Explains Troy Deeney in most of my saves
so i know how to set up individual training from here, way to win