The LDS Church is Financially Exploiting Its Members
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Before you comment “It’s not required,” please show me where the church has said that. I have numerous examples in the video from official sources that say that it’s a requirement for full participation in the church. If you can find an official church source that says it’s NOT a requirement, I would genuinely love to see it.
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Before you comment “It’s not required,” please show me where the church has said that. I have numerous examples in the video from official sources that say that it’s a requirement for full participation in the church. If you can find an official church source that says it’s NOT a requirement, I would genuinely love to see it.
It’s also worth noting here that public exploration of the topic is taboo. The Church seems more than happy to let people think gross income is the standard when that’s not the policy. Also, public advocacy for anything lesser method is subject to discipline.
Sorry for the multiple posts, Lex. This issue grinds my gears.
Also, being subjected to frequent quilt-tripping by authority figures, esp. at young age, can make one overtly sensitive to being guilt-tripped. To the point that it is not healthy, for one reason because life is often more complicated than those who try to guilt you understand (or care). If you the reader find yourself feeling strong negative emotions about yourself when someone is guilt-tripping you, it may be best to take a distance from that person or organization. This is because you need to be able (allowed to) set your own boundaries.
A second issue for people who grow in "just believe" religions: you need to learn to say "prove it". Challenge the claims. The more often you challenge, the more stuff you will find out. It is after all about your own "eternal future". I mean that is why people generally spend money in a particular religion: because they think that particular religion provides some benefit for the eternity.
I love how my family says that too, like where exactly does it say it's not required?
sometimes it's "not required because you can still get into SOME degree of heaven" ya okay
TBH part of the reason I fell out of the church was because I lied about paying my tithing but was still allowed to baptize for the dead as a kid and it didn't make any sense how I was about to get away with that if the Bishop was suppose to be called by god. I was a very poor kid and didn't wanna give up 10% of my income, especially since I had a pet to feed on my own
New bad idea. Paying tithing for the dead isn't a thing yet?
@Riverrstone that is a good idea you can do tithing for the dead. Members can help their ancestors recieve the blessings of tithing in the spirit world by their living families paying tithing for them.
If a donation is required, it's not a donation. It's a fee.
It's a "salvation tax." :)
It's sooooo irresponsible and wrong to teach people to tithe to a multi-billion-dollar corporation BEFORE EATING or paying for RENT.
It’s pure evil!
It’s the cult way!
Ask yourself will your creditors care about church? Nope you owe them money pay them or suffer the consequences. I’d rather lose my temple recommend over having accounts go to collections and my credit trashed
I paid a full tithe on my gross income til I turned 42. All it ever did for me was empty my bank account and force me to plan on working into my 70s. I look at the City Creek Mall and realize that’s where my retirement went. Oh wait, some of it went to pay lawyers to protect LDS child abusers in court. Thank you LDS church.
@@HomestarJr and don't forget you help bail out a failed insurance company
And used to deprive your posterity of the opportunity to own property
Evil.
My mom couldn't afford to pay. The evil bishop wouldn't let my mom go to the temple to see our sister be married. My mom has 75% heart failure, and couldn't pay for her propane to heat her water to bathe, clean her clothes or dishes, except every third day. The evil, cruel bishop had her in tears up until a day before the marriage ceremony, when we found out and paid it for her.
My sister and mom are still faithful members to this hideous church.
This is a sticky issue to me. 122 leaders receive 251K USD annually. Yet, claim "NON PAID CLERGY". Me thinks, someone is Fibbing. I do have testimonies, I am grateful for that. Its too bad the leaders have been caught in lies, and mis-represent their service, and the status of "Non" paid clergy. I was so bothered, I prayed, eventually received an answer, I didn't like it, but was 100% factual. It changed my perspective but not my attitude about the leaders. I do support my leaders, however, like Depends, support. I make a joke about it. Support is a CRAPPY job.
@madogg152
The leaders lie to us.
I finally realized that a "loving" father would Never demand a blood sacrifice just so he would be Willing to forgive his kids, whom "he" created to be imperfect. A loving father would never do the horrible things the god of the bible does. A loving father would Never make their children beg, BEG on bended knee, just for a sign of love and acceptance. A loving "father" would not drown all his children but a few. A loving father would never give his babies cancer of the eyes. A loving father would NEVER stand by WATCHING when his four year old is being r4p3e.
...........
Then I came to me, as CLEAR AS DAY!
All these years, I have been praying to the Sky. The Wind. The empty Air.
No loving god would do those things.
There is NO god!
A wave of relief washed over me! A feeling of peace and happiness that was Fresh and Clean!
I am a part of the Natural world!
What relief and PEACE.
I'm out of their evil web.
@@madogg152
Read
@@Go-pointl I agree except with 1 little difference. I believe God is perfect. The list you mentioned is Satan at work, not Heavenly Father. If you don't understand this and want to blame Father, that is your business. I grew up is a very dysfunctional, non religious family. My sister Killed my mother with SEVERE torture and abuse. Heavenly Father didn't do this, Evil did. All evil is from Satan. If you want to Blame Heavenly Father, he won't stop you. Father gives us freedom of choice. Hopefully, some day, you will realize, the above mentioned stuff you listed, was not from Father and Christ, and was from Satan. Father and Christ are PERFECT. That means, if Satan cause someone to MURDER, Father and Christ can't step in because of "FREEDOM of CHOICE". Your compass is Broken. Your finger is Bent and pointing the wrong direction. I hope someday, you realize pointing at Father isn't the solution. Recognizing the Truth and acting appropriately, will resolve the issues though it may take a very long time.
@@Go-pointl Ex Mo & LDS haters have Dyslexia. They Read and turn against our Father and Savior. What I read apparently is understood very different by me. However, I am from a long line of Engineers. I am logical to a point of flaw.
The Church is Logical. The statement "Read" is an emotional response when all else fails. Hope your enjoy your Blood Money.
The church acts more like a business than a religious institution. My hubby grew up in poverty and his family still paid their full tithing. It was kinda weird because they could have used that money to pay for food but instead they were reliant on the bishop's storehouse. The church would rather make you reliant on them than financially independent.
Such an arrangement is actually in violation of Church policy, section 22.4 of the Handbook-assistance should not create dependencies.
That’s not to say the Church’s hands are clean on this, and it was just a mistake at the local leadership level. Local leaders aren’t trained on this and seldom have the financial understanding to guide members through the mathematical impossibilities.
Like many other areas, “faith first” ends up as “faith only.” Switch off your brain, switch off your conscience. It’s just a matter of faith.
My family was that family. I remember my dad got a $200 gift card to a local grocery store from his work. It was one of the few times in my life that I can remember not having to eat out of cans with "Deseret Industries" on the labels.
@@fairywingsonroses I think cause and transparency make a difference here too. Go back a couple generations and the Church really didn’t have much. It’s one thing to scrimp and sacrifice for the common goal of building a place of worship and quite another for the money just to be heaped upon the money pile.
The idea that other divine stewardships such as caring for one’s family, serving in the community and Church, and humanitarian aid only matter if one has enough surplus after “gross” tithing needs to go.
This was what my siblings and I grew up living with. We were in a single v parent home & my dad rarely paid his child support. My mom worked 3 jobs & paid her turning, yet we still couldn't make ends meet. Our clothes were always used, we were treated as 2nd class in the church, like we weren't good enough. So glad I left that toxic environment & the bs. Nothing like buying your way to heaven through paying money to a church... Guess they didn't get that message, you can't buy your way into God's God graces.
Great information -
So many people have no idea how rich the Mormon church is and WHY THEY STAY RICH
The LDS view on tithing is out of alignment with Bible teachings. Of course it's required and they strongly suggest it's 10% of your gross income. As a Bishopric member, we sent all the tithing to SLC (Hundreds of thousands of $) had very little to meet local needs (Fast Offering funded). Heartbreaking to see the lavish expenditures for real estate while a family can't pay their rent.
It's also not in alignment with the Doctrine and Covenants, which only asks for your disposable income. A church spokesperson on Facebook even admitted that it has been changed to which I asked something like, "why does God want more money?" I never saw any spokesperson on Facebook again.
The LDS "church" needs to pay it's "tithing" to the government... Tax them at 10% on everything and see how they like it!
“One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is to have them pay their tithing.”
That is insane! How about helping the needy by investing in resources that help the needy?
Handing 10% of your income to the Mormon church is one of the stupidest possible financial decisions you could make?. I recommend that you keep your real money and they can keep their imaginary blessings!
As a convert I paid my tithing and you know what my blessing Ms were? Rejected by every single lds women for dates and my own missionary ghosted me. Such wonderful blessings
Before ppl say "All churches have tithes/giving.",typical xian churches don't have a tithe settlement or require tithes before allowing members to marry in the church or carry out other special rituals or symbolic actions.
But I believe they do charge them for use of the building such as for a wedding and they pay the minister to marry them.
Some countries have a "church tax" that is paid to the government by church members (some religions are exempt; not sure if Mormons are). However, unlike the United States, where churches can use the money for anything they want, the money in these countries is managed by the government and is used to create services that benefit the community at large: schools, hospitals, community centers, etc. So even though paying the church is required, it seems that the funding is used for much better purposes.
As a finance professional I have very strong feelings on this topic. Few members realize that the Church’s policy whereby income is set forth as the basis for tithing comes from a 1970 First Presidency declaration that also specifies that determination of income is strictly a matter between the individual member and God.
And this isn’t an obscure reference-it’s in active use, just not fully quoted. Additionally, the generosity with which GAs are compensated means that their own payment of tithes is an exercise of faith only to subordinate some material wants, which undermines any edict that lower income members should exercise math-defying faith in paying tithing before basic needs, as church leaders could model such faith simply by paying themselves less, but have chosen against that.
Nowhere is it established authoritatively that tithing is to be based on gross income. The collective teachings and actions of the Church actually support paying on surplus. The fact that saying so openly is treated as heresy shows just how pharisaical the Church is in this area.
We tithes on Gross income 1960s-1990s
Then LEFT!
RIPOFF!
Paying your way into Heaven😢
That's exactly right!
And they EARN BLESSINGS by helping people, but they actually hate being obligated to help.....And if it wasn't for the WOMEN, that business would FALL!
Just like scientology too..
aka it’s a pay-for-salvation scheme 😡
Life is a pay-for-salvation scheme. That's the point. Learn, grow serve.
@@clearstonewindows uh no. terrible correlation.
@@funkyfreshtx um, why? Does life have any purpose? Are we not "judged by our works"
@@clearstonewindows I think you missed the entire point of the video
Such bs with mormon Business inc.
Find the truth
I've seen tithes destroy mormons.
Itsa bad BUSINESS
It's not required to pay tithing to just "be a member". However it IS required to be a member in "good standing" and "worthy" of a temple recommend so that you can get married, endowed, etc. and access the "full blessings" of the "gospel".
saying that the ministry is not paid is a technicality. I didn't know about the "stipends" for a long time. Of course, lower leadership is in fact not paid and get's no stipend. They are just expected to pay tithing and give hours and hours of their time. Man, I wish I got out 10 years ago.
Women get no stipend
@@kellybrandon1179 right, I was just referring to the top 15.
Mormon Stories Podcast brought up in one episode that LDS does and says things so that it leaves a plausible deniability. This is seen in these technicalities.
This just reaffirms my decision of leaving the Mormon church and going a step further by having my name taken of their rolls. Living a happier life.
The church is a chuckle-fest in regarding its tithing issues
Laughing all the way to the bank
Thank you for once again exposing their evil.
That last sentence... 😮💨 that made me hurt.
Young ex-mo people whose parents on fixed-income are being abused should consider filing a class-action lawsuit against this evil institution.
Thanks! I joined the church when I was 19 (that vulnerable age that the church exploits IMO). I was a member for about 17 years and have recently left. My faith crisis hit me like a ton of bricks, and I remember having a panic attack after learning the truth. in the midst of that panic attack I remember thinking, “dear God am I dying? If I am, what is to become of me? Will I go to heaven? Hell? Neither? I don’t know anything about what’s true. What else is a lie?” It was quite unpleasant to say the least, but I’m sure you’re all too familiar. I’ve grieved the loss of my faith like the loss of a person . Truly, I don’t know what I would’ve done if it wasn’t for channels like yours, Mormon Stories, and Radio Free Mormon. Anyway, your channel has really helped me through my faith crisis and I just want to thank you.
Yeah, I joined two months before I turned 19 and I had panic attacks as well, during my faith crisis. I also had them before joining and a couple of other times during my membership, including in the MTC as a new missionary. They're horrible experiences. But they always pass and I get better.
The church is a corporation not the church I joined in ‘72
It was a corporation then, too. We just didn't know it.
Funny thing is, the only place in Bible where God is talking about the importance of tithing is in the law of Moses, or when he is talking to people who are under that law covenant. Tithing is not mentioned as a requirement anywhere else in the Bible.
For example, the often quoted words of Malachi were addressed to people under the law of Moses.
Christians are not under the law of Moses because it ended when Jesus gave his life for us (Colossians 2:14). If we were still under the law covenant, we would also be sacrificing animals for our sins.
This can be seen in Acts ch. 15 where some Jewish converts to Christianity started insisting that the Greek converts should be circumcised "and to command them to keep the law of Moses". This became an issue for their then HQ in Jerusalem to resolve. They ended up writing a letter to all the congregations about the issue, and the key parts of that are in verses 28 and 29.
They wrote that "For it hath seemed good unto the Holy Spirit and unto us no greater burden to be laying upon you than these necessary things:- To be abstaining from idol sacrifices, And from blood, And from what is strangled, And from fornication,-From which if ye keep yourselves ye shall prosper."
Note that in the end they wrote that if you keep yourselves from these, you shall "prosper". It does not say a word about the need to pay tithing.
I agree with you, but when the question came up on my mission they told us that "we know we have to pay tithing because Jesus gave the law to the Nephites after his resurrection" (somewhere in 3rd Nephi, I'm not going to bother to look it up) and "it's repeated in the D&C" (somewhere else I don't really care).
HOWEVER: since then I've heard a different take: that Malachi was preaching against the priests who were hoarding the tithes of the Israelites and not using those material goods to help the unfortunate. Sound familiar? Church leaders should re-read Malachi 3 and repent of their hoarding wealth, then build homeless shelters (etc) instead of useless temples.
This was really well done. I love all the written documents that make it so clear. I was a missionary who told people all the time that the church was not paid and all volunteer. These lies just get perpetuated.
Think of how we are encouraged subconsciously to do business with other members of the church… and how the first person pays tithing on what they earned, then did business with another member and that member paid 10% on what they got from the other member who had already paid 10% then that person buys something from another member who then pays 10% of the money they earned to the church which was already tithed twice before that. Then the next person down the line pays tithing from the next business exchange and so forth. Imagine all the tithing money brought in just by doing business with other members over and over again!
This can happen in other mainstream religions, too. I tithed 10% of my gross income to a church in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, but because my income was so low, the pastor assumed I was cheaping out, and gave me an “F” (fail) on my year-end tithing report card. (Yes, he actually graded us.)
GREED.
It’s not called “tithing”
It’s called “Your Tithing”
They make you own it
I have absolutely no problem with churches asking people who can afford it to make donations--when those donations are put to good use. I absolutely understand that part of that money needs to go to paying bills--utility bills, water bills, phone bills, building upkeep, etc. A necessary part of living. But that should be a small fraction of what is spent. Most of the money should be going OUT (not sitting in a bank account earning interest) to help members and people, in general. Let's say a member is diagnosed with cancer and medical bills will be hundreds of thousands of dollars (I've known two people who have had cancer--one's bills were over $600,000, the other's bills were over $700,000). Let's say this member doesn't have health insurance. How are they going to pay for their medical treatment? Sounds like a good use for the church's money. Let's say the church decides to use a lot of its money to create a food bank (food is free to families in need), but you take the food to the people; you don't expect them to get the money to put gas in their car to come to you (and you open it to ALL people, not just members, not just white people, not just straight people, not just "Christian" people). Let's say I'm a member of the church still. I can no longer drive (due to an accident resulting in a traumatic brain injury; my legs don't always do what my brain tells them to do and it's just too dangerous for me to drive--a momentary hiccup in my legs obeying my brain's signal to "put on the brakes" could kill me or someone else). I have to rely on my husband to drive me where I need to get. So what if somethings happens to him? How am I going to get groceries? Good way for the church to spend its money. Instead, they hoard their money and put into lavish buildings (yes, the buildings are beautiful, but which is more important---helping the poor or creating a gold-encrusted building?). And they ask the poor to fund those lavish buildings (rather than saying "we understand that it takes every cent you earn to keep a roof over your head and food on your table, so we don't need your money and now how may we help you?"). I worked for a non-profit organization for many years. We seldom had over $250 in the bank--every penny we took in was spent on necessities or on our mission (and the IRS has strict rules about how much you can spend on "necessities"--things like salaries, advertisements, etc. if you want to remain a non-profit). Sometimes we had less than $10 in the bank until our next fund-raiser or influx of donations from generous people. That was a little scary, especially when we needed to help folks, but it's part and parcel of being a non-profit. But the Mormon church? What I could do with a third of the money they have to help others!! I wouldn't spend it on buildings or put in the bank to let it earn interest (and perhaps that makes me stupid), but I'd spend to help others.
Yup, the reason why churches like LDS and others are as wealthy as shown in this video is because they keep most of the funds. And then they have the audacity to guilt-trip people in Kenya (and elsewhere) claiming that cycles of poverty will continue until people pay their tithing. Yet the majority of the wealthy people in Saudi Arabia for example have never paid any tithing to the LDS church. Unfortunately, poor Kenyans may feel compelled to tithe out of fear.
I quit calling it tithing and have started calling it a "Premium Member Subscription." I'll never forgive being drug in to tithing settlement after I turned 8 and being forced to realize that we were struggling even more financially than I realized and heard a bishop tell my parents that if they can't come up with what THEY OWE they should consider selling any assets or non-essentials. When the church tells you to consolidate your assets to give them what YOU OWE it is not an offering, donation, whatever they are gaslit into thinking it is other than a fee.
As a side note, I'd heard a story of someone who sued the church for tithing paid and won? Does anyone have any details? Is this something that we can legitimately do?
I am so sorry your family had to go through that.
I heard about someone who sued the church for all their previously paid tithing money, but I don't know what the end result was. I really hope they won. I'm sorry I don't have more details. I heard the church shrugged their shoulders and said "well, we don't know how much you paid..." and we all know that's 💯 BS because the lds church loves keeping records of everything.
Historically, tithing was supposed to be "10% of your increase" meaning you pay your bills, feed your family, and then look at what money you have left and donate 10% of THAT!
And to be clear: the biblical TRUTH is three (3) tithes were required. 10 to Levites, 10 to party with at Sukkot, and 10 for widows and orphans.
Pay to play........nothing less!
Good summary.
That paystub is from 1999. Holy shit.
Thanks!
Such a great overview of this REPREHENSIBLE bullshit. Such a destructive, exploitive organization.
The pattern was established right at the start with Martin Harris. First of all Joseph takes a page or 2 describing how Eternal torment is so much worse than he can possibly imagine then says.
• Disregard these counsels, and misery shall befall you-perhaps even self-destruction and loss of property.
• Share a portion of your property, including some of your lands, while ensuring your family’s support.
• Settle the printer’s debt.
• Free yourself from bondage.
You make a believer feel like their route to heaven or hell is determined by their Monetary input and bingo. It's so blatant.
Sound quality is very low on this system.
It always is on videos I share from TikTok. Hopefully you can turn up the volume!
Tithes fund salt town. Salt lakes subterranean sister city.. go go team zion
Great video! Audio was a bit quiet, just fyi.
Yeah, the audio is always quiet on videos I share from TikTok.
The lds church is a investment company that operates a church
Money=heaven. Sure, that's exactly what Jesus meant to say 🤦🏽♀️.
How about provide how much money and assets the Church donates as well?
How does that make what they do any better? Since you asked, they take in billions and billions from tithing and investment returns from tithing. They donate millions. They also count volunteer hours as money, which is why they say they donate around a billion dollars to charitable causes. So far this year, the church has earned 10 billion dollars on invested tithing, taken in 3 billion in tithing, and given about 75 million to charitable causes. That is half a percent of their income. Pathetic.
They count "hours of service" usually at inflated rates rather than actually donating money 9 times out of 10.. the few million in real money they ever donate is usually about 4 days a year worth of interest.. the other 361 days goes right into the ensign fund/stock market..
To obtain a temple recommend members are asked do you pay a full tithe? Yes that is correct. But that doesn’t mean if someone has not paid a full tithe, it prohibits them from entering the temple nor has it prevented others from entering the temple. The most important question we get it asked in the interview, is do you feel worthy to enter the house of the lord? WE, ourselves are the judges of our conduct. Period. End of story. In the meantime, I hope everyone is having an enjoyable summer. I’m burning 🔥 in Texas.
I provided many examples. Can you find me one church source that says that?
People volunteere to do so. What's the matter?
For me, tithing has nothing to do with money, especially since everything I have is from God. All He is asking is for me to give back a tenth of what He has given me to help others. I give my tithing because I love Heavenly Father, and I have been blessed with everything I need because I have paid my tithing. Entrance into His presence has nothing to do with paying money but from the change of heart that comes through sacrifice.
Name one thing where you can be a 'full' participant and where some type of monetary expenditure isn't made. Even this channel has a membership payment requirement. Just because the Church is 'sitting on billions' doesn't mean it is exploiting its members to ask for 'full' participation. Suppose your channel blew up and you have millions of subscribers and are pulling in millions in ad revenue, at what point would you be seen exploiting your viewers by simply existing? Sure go out and spend on charity and give back to your members.... The church is doing that. At what dollar value do you draw the line that asking for 'Full' participation is exploitation?
There’s nothing on this channel that requires a membership payment. All the videos I post are free for anyone to view.
@@ExmoLex"There is nothing on this channel that requires a membership payment." So wait I can be an Exmo Lex tier 3 member for free? Hey everyone either ExMo Lex just gave every the OK to join any tier subscription for free, or she's just flat out lying and exploiting her followers with misinformed consent. You better be careful what you say.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 Is she holding your eternal family hostage until you pay up? Is she threatening to cut you off from God's presence if you don't pay? Is she telling you that you'll be miserable for eternity if you don't become a tier 3 member? No? Then you've proven you don't know what you're talking about.
This is a perfect example of a false equivalency fallacy. You think that because someone has a paid system it's the same as all paid systems. She is offering a perk system, nothing more. The Mormon cult is saying if you don't pay the fees that not everyone can afford to pay easily, then your eternity is ruined and you will never have an eternal family. That's called extortion.
Here's a better example for you. You're going through heart failure and need a transplant. The medical system says that you need to pay $500k or they won't do it. You only make $45k a year and are living paycheck to paycheck. The hospital says that you just need to try harder to pay or you won't get the heart you need. See the difference. The cult isn't offering perks, it's offering literal salvation for a price that not all can pay.
And before you say I don't know what I'm talking about, I was a member of the cult for 35 years and saw firsthand the trauma that system causes to people who can't afford to pay.
@@AngloDragon You're right. Good example of equivalency fallacy. You are using terms like hostage and cult and extortion as if thats whats being exchanged but never actually answered my original question. I could take this channel to the extreme as well and say it's keeping people "hostage" by not permitting free access to every viewer equally in any tier. My point was it doesn't matter what it is, heart surgery, ExMo lex tier 3, exaltation, all of them are perks. A perk is something that is not available to just anyone. It's special and often comes with a price. My question was to name any perk or 'full' participation that doesn't require any monetary exchange. If you won't, which you can't, then the question becomes at what dollar value does something become extortion and extremes that you are using in your comment? Is 500K extortion for a heart transplant?
@@jacobsamuelson3181 Your examples of my word usage are not false equivalencies, at worst it's loaded language. Though I believe Lex has shown that the use of the word "cult" is fully valid. My use of "extortion" was to define what the church does to it's members and their eternal families if they don't pay tithing. Since you didn't seem to like my example, I'll give another one. If the mob comes to you and says, "pay us X amount of money or you'll never be a family again." that is an example of extortion. The Mormon church says the same thing, but on an eternal scale. Yet you claim that this is a perk. Would you also claim that paying of the mob is a perk of keeping your family, or an extortion?
Now, to your original question: is there a perk or "full participation" that comes without monetary exchange. Yes, every church that doesn't collect tithing. They may ask for donations, but don't hide any of their doctrines, ceremonies, or membership behind a pay wall. I've been to churches of multiple denominations of Christianity that don't tithe. They will pass around a collection plate, or have anonymous donation booths, but don't record who paid what and are thankful for whatever anyone gives. Sometimes they might have fundraisers, but they don't condemn or exclude people for not donating.
And since you specified "monetary exchange" what about religions that tithe in forms other than money? Some faiths offer the option for people to tithe a percentage of their time in acts of service in lieu of money.
Lastly, I'll say this. The Mormon church does not have a monopoly on the concept of eternal family, but they act as though they do and hide that "perk" behind a paywall. Family is a perk of life, and is one of the few free things we get just by existing. Some people have a family through blood, some from experiences, some from choice. The concept of "sealing" that family together for eternity is ridiculous. If when I die God takes away my familial feelings and my family status unless I paid the fee to qualify for this ceremony, then he is a sick and sadistic being that isn't worth worshiping. I will love my family for as long as my consciousness exists, whether finite or eternal, and they will always be my family regardless of a ceremony. That the church traumatizes people into thinking they lose that without paying for a "perk" is what I find revolting about that organization.
I've seen this many times before. Anything new? Try harder please 😂
You obviously have an axe to grind and your facts are skewed. People pay tithing because they choose to. I have Southern Baptist and Catholic friends that pay a 10% tithe. So, your point is, ......
Some people pay because they’re threatened with hell fire. She went over that in the video. Maybe you should listen. LDS leaders have called tithing “Fire Insurance” because it keeps you from being burned alive during Jesus’ second coming.
I used church sources to support my claims. Do you have contrary examples? I’d love to see them.
You can’t point out flaws in the church! That’s axe grinding! That’s contrary to the covenants you made when you drank the Koolaid! And other churches take advantage of their members too! So that means it’s ok for my church to take advantage of me!
Congratulations! You're finding out that you and your friends are all being emotionally manipulated into financial exploitation by greedy organizations. Awareness is the first step in getting this abuse to stop. I really hope that one day you are all free. ❤
Is this going to get a follow up response by the commenter?