Seven Problems With LDS Tithing
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- 00:00 Introduction
00:32 The church hides its wealth and spending
02:06 The church doesn't even need tithing
4:00 The LDS church exploits the poor
07:19 Tithing is required for salvation
8:35 Tithing is not voluntary
10:29 Tithing doesn't go where the church says
12:45 Slaves were accepted as tithing
After leaving the church and stopped paying tithing, my wife and I started putting the 10% into an emergency fund. It’s incredible how fast that fund has grown.
@@Susan-hk7uj bless your heart, but you're getting scammed.
It's sad that 10% of a dollar (probably less) keeps people from the priceless blessings the Lord has to offer. At least you and your wife are together on that move (for a time). Hopefully you will some day see through the lies of the adversary and you and your precious wife will once again allow the plan of happiness to enter into your lives again.
@@its4michael Y should re-evaluate who is being deceived. You’re claiming that I’m being deceived by a supernatural force, I believe you’re being deceived by something that’s actually real.
Wait to the time of judgment i hope your 10% saved will help you..
@@moonquaker9286 sad how faith is gained or lost, those who pay no thithing see the por go by and have no feelings of mercy for them. Money is their god.
I much rather give my money to charities and needy people personally, than to give it to the multi-billion dollar Mormon church.
You forget what the church does for the poor,ant way i am sure that you give to charities nothing.
@@mexicanosxelmundo7774
The church virtually does nothing for the poor.
You’re totally delusional.
@@hgm26 historically the church has given less that 1% in humanitarian aid per year.
In the past few years it has paid more, about a billion a year.
But we know the church across all its holdings (stocks, tithes, businesses, land holdings, BYU ETC) has over 200 billion in assets and generates at least 20billion a year in combined profits and tithes.
So maybe now its closer to 5%?
Which is better, but still hardly a charity.
I'd be upset if I found out UNICEF was claiming to be a charity pulling these numbers..
My dear Mother in Law , was so impoverished. She told me if she didn’t tithe , she wouldn’t be able to go in the temple. She was below the poverty level, was barely able to afford food. Unbelievable….
All we can do is hope she has a high rank in Heaven, though I do not think it works that way..
Weren’t you ever able to help her out if you knew she was struggling??
@@CarolynAitken-yp2rq Yes, we helped her. I worked out a budget for her, but she was unwilling to change anything. For example, she was paying her 30 something year old son’s car payment ( drug issue). She was the kind of person who would help anyone, no matter what…may she rest in peace.
THAT WAS HER CHOICE, NO ONE FORCED HER TO PAY TITHE. SO STOP SAYING THAT THE CHURCH FORCED HER DESPITE THE WIDOW PAID ALL THAT SHE HAD IN THE NEWSTESTAMENT
@@ClintonUgochukwu-uf5pb 100%
I want to sincerely thank you for your time and efforts to make this video. It’s a shame so many will still view anything that cast’s the lds church in a negative light to be anti-Mormon. However, the lds church is changing over time slightly for the better because of exposure like this! I can only hope, at some point in time, tithing will be handled differently, as many will continue to pay blindly or fearfully.
Interesting how bednar avoids straightforward eye contact to the camera in his statement.
And many pay faithfully because first they obeyed, then they were blessed in any number of pertinent ways, and their faith has become knowledge that this is a great law of the Lord. I love this law.
You say many members of the church will continue to pay tithing blindly or fearfully? You’re wrong. We love the law of tithing because it is the Lord’s promised way to bless God’s children and also tithing is the Lord’s way to advance the mission of his church to preach the restored gospel to the world, to perfect the saints, to build temples for sacred ordinances for the living and the dead, and to help the poor and the needy. In short, to invite all peoples of the world to Come Unto Christ. This is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Mormon tithing is not a freewill offering. If you miss a tithing payment, you will be ridden very hard. People have been coerced into taking out a loan on their house in order to catch up on tithing payments. But is the bank which granted the loan which may go into default going to freeze the loan until one gets caught up? No, the bank is going to file a court order with the sheriff and out you and your family go into the streets.
You don’t have to catch up on tithing payments if you’re struggling, just repent and start again that’s what I was told if you can afford to back pay then do it but if you can’t just start over.
I went to Madagascar and not far from the airport is an LDS stake center right next to the US embassy, both buildings bright, beautiful, shiny, with a large, tall fence all around both. All around extreme poverty, I mean extreme, begging everywhere. I am a lifelong member and I was beyond astonished at that sight. It made me sick to the stomach.
I went to the Sikh golden temple, which is like the Salt Lake temple of sikhism.
their doors are open for everyone, no matter what you wear or worthiness. They welcome you in, feed you let you hang around, sleep if you need.
Then you have the LDS church flaunts its cash with fancy buildings, while putting up huge fences to keep out the unworthy people.
You simply can't enter the temple even if you are a member, unless you are worthy enough to recieved
a temple recommend to make covenant with the Lord. That's why, the temple outside wordings said. "Holiness to the Lord". It was his house, not owned by an individual, he has strict standards who he allows to enter in. Why the churches are beautiful even in third world countries? Do you think that a powerful being will settle for less, to conform with the world standards? The beautiful churches by The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is a breath of fresh air to look at and if you are a member, it's a nice place to hang out. The gates are for security reasons. Even Celestial Kingdom has Pearly Gates, with angel sentinels guarding it. @@getharryonsax
Sounds as though you are seriously lacking in understanding the whole situation. Church members are never without food and other necessities. Clearly there is nothing wrong with clean, warm buildings for all members. Before you get too judgemental, you need to ask your Bishop to help you understand the generosity of LDS welfare for needy LDS members.
@@blizzard2oo a clean, warm building like the city creek mall that they spent 1.5 billion dollars of tithing money on? i lived in salt lake city from birth until i was 18 years old and not once did i hear about the church housing its members in the city creek mall.
@@blizzard2oowhat are you saying ? It is a shame our church ! Read Mormon chapter 8, and 2 Nephi 26:29-31
"[God] loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!” -George Carlin
Wow, well done! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. It is much appreciated.
I remember when Dallin H. Oaks was called to be president of a Far East mission, years ago. He required all the dirt-poor, adult, male members to show up, to their Sunday meetings, in a white shirt 👕 (sorry, not green 💚, nor short sleeves).
The cost of that one shirt was like a month's worth of regular wages.
Oaks didn't care: to look like a "white-collar person" was more important to him than anything.
(And, it exemplified Dallin's emphasis on two of his own intrinsic 'values': conformity and uniformity.)
Now, if Elder Ronald E. Poelman had been supremely cognizant of those two 'values', he, himself, would not have made his huge blunder (cough, cough), in a talk he gave in October 1984...
Hmm! 1984
Orwell would be pleased.
What blunder did he make in 1984?
I don’t think Jesus cares what you wear to church, after he was friend’s with Lazarus.
if that is true then Dallin H. Oaks is an . Whatever they can afford to wear, whatever they call 'their best', is all that is required. Hmmmm did Jesus teach this?
@@TheChancesmomLet’s keep up with the times, shall we?
I think Brigham Young died a multimillion somewhere around $35 million dollars, which came from poor members. THAT'S DISGUSTING!!!
Brigham Young's estate was worth $1,626,000 at the time of his death. That's $45,871,716 in today's money.
Lot of work putting this together. Done very well too. Thank you
Let us also not forget the D&C 64:23 outlines that if you pay tithing, you will not be burned at the 2nd coming. This implies that the statement "if you do not pay tithing, you will be burned" is also true. I have asked mormons to explain to me how this isn't a scam. None have been able to answer my question so far.
People who believe give. People who believe obey. People who are willing to be subject to God and not fight Him, find his laws and obey them. If you think tithing is a scam, wait til you hear about the law of consecration. It demands everything, not 10%. And I love it, because God gives me everything I value, in abundance.
You love the short leash @blovax.
You want to be told what to do.
You're seeking Lucifer's plan under Mormon Doctrine.
Love how they promise only things that cannot be proven. SCAM!!!
@@bloviaxyour comment is proof that there are suckers everywhere. The church doesn’t like free thinking individuals. The only way anyone can believe in the church is blind faith. What a concept. 🤡
When I was about 12 or 13 years old I remember a neighbor being really upset, her husband had lost his job, it was close to Thanksgiving, she asked Bishop to help them with food, I remember her saying that the Bishop refused, she said that she felt like a criminal, I remember her being very distressed. They soon moved and I never saw them again.
Giving food or financial help is up to the discretion of the Bishop?
Hi @BartonBagnes, I guess you deleted your message.
I just wanted to say that you for sure don’t have to believe me at all, it’s just my experience with the bishop’s store house and not representative of the whole church, and for you to say that you’ve heard of people bragging (BTW who does that? Who brags about church assistance? Weird.) doesn’t mean that the church only has loving caring members, because it doesn’t. There’s good and there’s bad, so chill on the defensive apologetics.
Thanks.
The Bishop, is responsible to the Lord, not the whole church.
It is not totally at the discretion of the bishop. Financial help is not initially provided through tithing funds. It starts with fast offering funds (FOF). Sometimes the needs of ward members exceeds FOF. The bishop is allowed to spend more than what is available in FOF which will be covered by tithing fund with the approval of the stake president. If the bishop lacks money too often from FOF, he will be reminded of two things from his stake president: first, teach your members to be more generous in fast offerings and, second, spend money from the fund more wisely! As a former bishop, this has frustrated me much and often. I was seeking out for the poor and the needy in my ward regularly. I was not waiting for them to come and ask for help. I would get many warnings until I have decided to refuse any callings from the church leaders. The church will cover up from other wards' FOF where there is less poor and needy. Since members have no access to church's expenditure, members have no clue what is happening with any funds.
Most people are extremely poor and in no position to give money to anyone. If anything, the well-dressed clergymen with beautiful cars and gorgeous houses should give instead to them.
"The bishop can help them with their food". Yeah, the church will send you box after box of inflammatory, processed foods and grains that only exacerbate the problems of poverty, school performance, and medical burdens.
As a convert I paid my tithing over paying the irs and the state nearly $3k. Fast forward a year I now find myself in bankruptcy because of the cost of living increases and putting that $3k on credit cards. Not a single “blessing “ was received. Not unless you include getting rejected and ghosted by my own sister missionary, and over 500 sisters. Joining the church has turned into a complete nightmare for me and will be the single most catastrophic failure of my lifetime
I would suggest that next time you pay everything as you go and not let it pile up, that was your big mistake. I may not agree with the leaders and feel they are far astray and absolutely can lead us astray, I have experienced the blessings of paying my tithing and it doesn't come from or through the church it comes from God.
I'm sorry you feel tithing wrecked your life. Missionaries get busy after their mission.
It is better pay our thiting to emergency needs and we can help people in need or in medication with that, not pay to the bussiness believe system such as churches.
It's unfortunate that you have been misled. All federal and state taxes can be put on a very small payment plan and most of it actually forgiven with the writing of a short letter; especially in your financial situation. Paying unpaid taxes on a credit card is a disaster and whoever told you to do that should be hung by their toes.
Find a financial expert that can help you with this, you need the help. You will not learn financial savviness from friends or parents, you need the advice of experts (and some schooling).
Well your "blessing" is not now but in the Second Coming of Jesus you will not get burned in fire that's the blessing you will reserve
The less money you have, the more you have to rely on the church for assistance. It's a trap.
And if you're always really broke, you're supposed to get the idea that you need to give even MORE so you'll be more "worthy " of more "blessings," right?
facts
Same tactic the socialists use to get a stranglehold on a nation. Make it so people can't make their own way, and have to depend on the government for their needs, and then they'll be subservient, obedient, and supportive of governmental overreach and control.
What on earth are you talking about? If you have no money and get some from the Church, then what's the trap? I've gotten money from the Church when dead broke, there's no trap.
@@joetaylor8687 No, not right. 10% is what it is.
You forgot to mention the "modest stipend" that the General Authorities receive. That money has to come from tithing also yet we are told the LDS church does not have a paid ministry. So that too is a lie.
And yet most of the members are still not aware of this.
Give us money and you will be blessed, give us your time and you will blessed. Pure prosperity blessing teaching.
Bravo! Well done! If you are going to pay tithing, pay it on your "increase", which is the amount left over after you pay the expenses necessary to sustain life. And then call yourself a full tithe payer at tithing settlement. The bishop is not allowed to argue with you about it; he has to accept your word.
In the Old Testament tithing was not required by all and it was not money. The New Testament introduced the concept of grace giving. The 10% of your annual income idea is man made and not from the Lord. And any religious organization that requires or puts pressure on people to give money is clearly not Christian. You should give to your local church because you want to and not because you have to or are trying to get something out of it.
OK, so the law of tithing is not only that tithe payers will store up great blessings for themselves in heaven but also wealth on earth that will lift them out of their poverty. But if tithing is the poor person's way out of poverty, should we conclude that any member who is still poor is disobedient to the law of tithing? How did the General Authorities of the LDS Church get so wealthy? Did they pay significantly more than a tenth of their increase to compensate for the effect of the "widow's mite" in the treasury that outweighs their contributions, paid out of their surplus? What about Mitt Romney and J. W. Marriott, Jr.? Is tithing the secret of their excessive wealth? One might deduce from this logic that wealth in the hands Latter-day Saint is a dependable indicator of righteousness, not merely evidence of the love of money, but then what could Jesus possibly have meant when he claimed it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven?
"If they can make you believe absurdities they can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
I was robbed of 10% between 8 to 26. A long time religious bully.
While the church was making money from dildos on Amazon you also got to have sexually charged conversations with a bishop.
@@stephanl6279haha yeah when I had free Amazon Prime for a month I bought several & didn’t pay my tithes & offerings but I didn’t rob god cos the profits still went into the Corporation’s coffers.
Btw their dildos were junk. Next time I’ll buy em from someone else.
When Joseph Smith first implemented tithing he said the poor and widows were not to be tithed. Two days after Joseph was murdered those who were in charge, the twelve, started charging the poor and widows.
So you must be over 200 years old and you must have been there to eyewitness all of this..... you have no idea what you're talking about. I can say anything I want about you in ten years from now, and no one can dispute it.
@@dustincox144, shouldn't monies be offered voluntarily?
@@dustincox144 the church hasn't been around for 200 yrs....
it's horrible how they will force people to choose between donating to a mega wealthy church or having a next meal
Oh they'll make sure you get your next meal. From them. Because if you're reliant on them, it's harder to leave.
@@cryofpaine The Church doesn’t offer free meals so that’s an interesting theory. People aren’t forced to choose anything. The people that pay tithing do it because the have faith that they will receive blessings. They also do it willingly.
@@bridgerweston7062 The church has an EXTENSIVE welfare system. The Bishop's Storehouse will provide groceries - some sourced from the church's extensive farms - to anyone who needs it. You just have to go to your bishop and be approved. You tell them what you need, they'll give it to you. Deseret Industries provides clothing and other material goods.
All of which is funded by tithing and fast offerings. So essentially, you are paying the church in order to get welfare from the church. It's dumb. Did Jesus make people pay him before he healed them?
"They also do it willingly." Sure, "willingly". After being cajoled and browbeaten by people who are supposedly "God's representatives". It's sickening. As for having faith, faith doesn't put food on their plate or a roof over their head. The church could easily say that God only requires what you are capable of giving, but no. Instead they take far more than what they need, from people who can't afford to give, and bury it away, like the parable of the talents. Just hiding it - not using it to extend their welfare programs to help even more people; not offering financial aid to those in need; not refunding the tithes paid by those who can't afford. Just hoarding it like a bunch of fucking dragons sitting on a pile of gold.
@@cryofpaine have you ever veen to a bishopric store? If you enjoy living on hotdogs, bologna, boxed mac n cheese, canned vegetables, generic jello ...then by all means go to the bishops store. Very, very little fresh food is at a bishops store. Plus you can only get what you need for a short period of time. Forget having any type of food storage like they preach. They ate totally do as I say, not as I do.
@@Doxxylover616 The quality of the food isn't the point. The point is that they force you to pay tithing, and then provide food after you can't afford it on your own (because you paid tithing) so that you're even more reliant on them. It's about control.
And yes, I have been to the bishop's storehouse. My family used it when I was a kid for a while. It was about the quality of what you would get at any other food bank. And my parents served a mission for 6 years at the Home Storage Center (which is the retail food storage store). It shared warehouse space with the Bishop's Storehouse. I helped out there after my dad had a stroke, and it doesn't seem like it's changed much.
When hearing about the SEC settlement, I was honestly not too surprised about the settlement happening, when you covered in 50 problems with the Mormon Church pt.1 you mentioned that the church hasn't been transparent on it's finances since 1959 and I knew it was only a matter of time before they would be called out for it and it finally happened.
The people should keep their real money and the church can keep their imaginary. Blessings!
And now a word from Leviticus 27 "And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the LORD."
So the person with only 9 was not obligated to give 1/10th.
Yeah, and in this case "the Lord" is "the Church," right? How about I start an organization saying I represent the Lord. Do you think people will pay me 10% of their incomes for life?
@@joetaylor8687, you could try.
We are Christians, not Jews.
@@valuecalc :)
Daarth Bednar may find any lack of faith disturbing. Especially since it may jeopardize any General Authority 's several mansions to live in.
“Do you have the faith NOT to pay tithing?” - Darth Bednar
@@hughmcharry5419 I think you just demonstrated that many "active" members will believe literally anything that is dished out. When Hinkley was in the 12, there probably weren't five Nash cars in operation in all of Utah. And why did she "drop him off for General Conference?" Wasn't she a member? Why didn't she join him? It gets way beyond laughable.
I live by E Bednar. He doesn't live in a mansion. Give me a break. Elder Richard G Scott drove a 1980s honda accord LX to my ward in 2000s. Clean as the day it was bought. I was impressed. These men will judge us all at the last day, and I'm very glad. I can think of a million worse judges.
@@bloviaxMay you & your hundreds of wives get busy & populate planets for eternity.
After Judgment Day I will will of course be sent to Outer Darkness with all the other ExMos.
Come visit us when you’re not busy. We’ll be drinking tea, coffee & alcohol so bring a 12-pack of Diet Coke which used to be verboten but now is okay. Okay?
@@bloviaxYour hero Richard G. Scott spoke at a BYU devotional in the late 90s. He counseled us strongly, with apostolic authority, not to read the Starr Report as he’d already read it himself & found it too salacious for anyone else to examine. The country was in the middle of a constitutional crisis at the time.
We were adults but that didn’t matter to Elder Scott.
This is emblematic of the extent to which the Lord’s Annointed go in attempting to control our thoughts & conduct.
The thumbnail on this video is actually so baller thank you for making this
Note that Jesus never asked for a tithe, nor did he say you had to go to a temple to goto heaven... mormon God is either a monster or completely fabricated by con man..., I'll let you guess which is correct.
Jesus told people to obey the law of Moses. That included offerings.
Just read the Bible in context folks. Today's version of "tithing" has no biblical precedent. Exploiting the underprivileged is one of the most despicable things one can do. Those are the very people we should be helping. We are free to give, not bound to pay.
This law is clarified by the Lord in the Doctrine and Covenants. And yet, left open to a lot of interpretation. You judge you and you assert to the bishop that you have judged yourself to be a full tithe payer.
Take your tithing and buy Apple stock. Enjoy the same blessings the church is getting...
Or help other people directly, kinda the way the new testament teaches.
@hgm2611 You got it! Churches actually prevent giving to the poor while giving the false impression to the givers that they are pleasing God.
The talk about "can't afford not to" reeks of cheap sales tactics.
YES! As soon I read that, THAT'S what General Conference always felt like.
Cant afford not to... do you understand what that means for a family that struggles to purchase food, pay their utilities or rent?
@@ewartward I'm guessing you're talking about "blessings"? You're on the wrong RUclips video. We're talking about the real world on here.
I have directed my tithing to the charity hospice that cared for both me, as a carer and my late wife, who had ALS, in the last months of her life. It needs the money far more than the church does. I accept the "punishment....."
Excellent, Rob! After I cure my nausea, I’ll pass your message on to some of my friends. We can only change things if members are educated. Pass it on! 🎉
Who is Rob?
He’s the “Mormon Informant” 1:09
@@patricianoel7782 My name isn't Rob, and I have no idea where you are getting that name from.
@@TheMormonInformant 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@patricianoel7782
Count me in too. The members need to be educated as to their God given rights to be treated kindly in their time of need.
Martin Luther left the Catholic Church and open the gates to the Protestant movements, because teh Church would "sell salvation".
All Churches sale salvation!
Oh my gosh I never knew that Slaves were used as tithing and that the church accepted. That is truly disgusting. My heart breaks for those poor people
Excellent analogy comparing the bank teller giving cash to a bank robber and lds members “voluntary” tithe payments.
Can the Mormon Church help me with student loans?
Money is a man made construct not one of God's creations so for it to be part of exaltation is ridiculous to me. It's like saying you have to clear super Mario Brothers to get to heaven.
That sounds kinda cool 😂 Can I join that religion?
@@mikelima7269 you bet! They'll take anybody and everyone!
@@ChristopherSalisburySalz Alright! Celestial kingdom here I come! (Old school super Mario theme)
I hear you, but what are temples supposed to be built with? Unskilled member labor?
It is not enough to love God, we have to pay to God to get his love or his blessing such as resurrection and the highest celestial (temples) or the luxurious building, it is scam, not really from God of universe, they are the scammers pr robber instead of a leader.
Amazing video, very well done
Some people feel better when they pay tithing, based on the culture they've been indoctrinated in since birth. I really regret all the money I paid in tithing, and wish I had sent it to actual worthy, needy charities who actually do something worthwhile with it besides just pontificate, propagate, and populate.
The LDS church does more service than any charity ever has or will. That’s just you thinking that instead of actually looking at where the money is going.
@@bridgerweston7062 Actual "charitable" causes get only a very small fraction of "the take" in "the Church." But they're big on broadcasting whatever they do give.
@@bartonbagnes4605 This may be because former members are looking for other places to put their discretionary dollars, feeling that they're doing the right thing. Statistics don't tell the whole story in most instances. Yes, some people pay to "the Church" and other "causes" as well, and there are undoubtedly a lot of caring people out there who've grown up with a giving philosophy of life.
@@bridgerweston7062
You sound absolutely ridiculous.
Stay delusional just like you are.
That is their Rameumptom Stand
Yep, that’s what Jesus would do, squirrel away 32 BILLION and not take care of others with that money. Amazing!
These Men are truly Evil
Who's getting rich off my tithing? Do they own the companies that build the temples? Nope. There is no huge cabal of oligarchs scraping money off tithing. This whole thing really is the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and the establishment of Zion.
Jesus said "I desire mercy NOT sacrifice"
Bed at sure is expert at twisting things. Can’t stand him. Since I’ve left the church, I have not seen a degrease in the quality of my life, actually, so much better. Actually have been able to enjoy life now after years of working so hard.
I just don't get it. Do they honestly think it's God's commandment and pay tithing brings blessings???
Yes, they do.
Yes. My parents said my brother'a car only worked when he paid his tithing.
Yes. That is the Biblical law of tithing!
When I was on my mission, we used to teach investors that not paying tithing was the equivalent of robbing God.
Yes I do. Yes it does. It's very freeing. I lust after shiny stuff way way less and it's been great. I feel unease about money and the world much less, and it's been great, and it's been decades.
The more I look at the mormon church, you know what I see?
Oceania from the book 1984.
Is it bad when this broke the news that I felt very indifferent because this pretty much sounded like the level of morality I expected from church leaders anymore?
Bednar always telling people how little choice they have with the church and members be like “yes yes praise the Lord!” Like come on!
I stood opposed to the first presidency last year mainly for dishonest financial practices. This year I stood opposed again and I thought I had an I told you so. But everyone denied anything was wrong 🤯
There responses to tithing are insane from an outside perspective. But to true believers they think oh I will be blessed with a greater future if I throw away today. No brother that’s not how the world works nobody should sit around waiting for a better day to come let alone throw your only chance at a better day at the same time
Is it true that apostles are not required to pay tithing on the millions they earn?
Yes! Thank you for your time, care and effort in this presentation
The only time during the year the local leader meets with the congregation is to ask them about how much money they gave the church.
I am and always have been on the edge of poverty. I make too much for help, yet barely can pay my bills. I am denied a temple recommend because I can't pay tithing. I used to pay bills with credit cards so I could pay it. I refuse to do that anymore. It wasn't an original requirement for temple entrance. When did that happen and under what prophet? Has the bishop helped? No, not a bit.
I recommend mantra meditation or breath meditation, where you set aside say 15 minutes and focus on your mantra or breath and anytime your mind wanders you bring your mind back to the mantra or breath. This is far more helpful than going to the temple. I was miserable because of the hypocrisy of church members and had a real poor self esteem. I discovered mantra meditation after reading Meditation for Dummies and would choose a positive mantra and meditate on it 45 minutes 5 days a week for 18 months. This really boosted my self esteem and made me 10x happier than going to church and the temple. Can't recommend mantra meditation enough. Mormon church doesn't teach this kind of meditation. Stopped going to church as they deceived me about what true meditation is and they teach that feelings like fear, anger, jealousy and pride are evil. I am an INFP personality type. My dominant trait is feelings.
Even if you believe the official story, God created the whole universe long before man created money.
This was a fantastic summary. Thank you!
I have NOT met a poor member of the Church, in all the years I attended, that came out of poverty because they gave tighthin. That oeomise of the Church is FALSE! In fact, the few resources that poor people have need to go to THEIR OWN NEEDS!
Utah is #2 for personal bankruptcy, so no financial "blessings" there.
A.I. Rusty sounds correct but it needs more whistling. Please Stop Paying Your Tithing!!!!
How do I remove myself and my name from the church? Ive heard that they use my name for tax breaks.
quitmormon.com
Where in the ten commandments does it require tithing?
What you shared.. those are my issues....
The church is using coercion, shame, and holding peoples salvation hostage. These quotes are disgusting and shows how little compassion the leadership has for it's believers.
People want the progress without living the laws, how's that gonna work? I can see how frustrated they must get with people being so unwilling to have a little faith over a decent span of time. Christ always complained about people that wouldn't give just a little faith and kept clinging to the things they could see with their eyes and hold in their hands. It bugged him too!
Your AI usage is on point 👏
In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul was pretty clear that the church pays offerings when they can. The Mormon law of tithing is non-biblical. Of course,Mormonism itself is non biblical.
It all rests on the authority and validity of Joseph Smith - and we know what a stand-up guy he was! :)
@@jeffedmundson3934 yep, womanizer, polygamist, liar, thief, brigand. I mean who wouldn't want to follow this uh, "religion"? You too can become a god!
The tithe was not given in the form of money, and only farmers were required to tithe from their crops and their livestock. Malachi 3:10 was written to the Levitical priesthood, which was robbing God. They were keeping the portion of the tithe which was suppose to be fiven to thenwisowed, the orphaned andthe poor..
People tend to believe in things that have profited them in the past. I think many of these "leaders" get the picture that if they can keep the game going, maybe neither they nor any of their progeny will ever have to actually work for a living ever again, as long as they stay with the script and in with the in-crowd. Getting up and wagging your tongue behind a pulpit periodically isn't really work, particularly when you're addressing an ever-compliant, totally obedient flock that will buy virtually anything.
@@hughmcharry5419 Yeah, right. And the Tooth Fairy will be hosting the Easter Bunny's birthday party this year too.
@@hughmcharry5419 Try just a small sampling of a realm called REALITY. Many of these jokers haven't actually worked a day in their lives, and it goes from generation to generation. They bring their kids along, and in the real world it's called NEPOTISM. Guess who the current President of BYU-I is? That's right, it's Henry J. Eyring. I'm sure they did a national search to find the best candidate, right? Uh huh. Check out Holland Jr. and Rasband Jr., etc., etc. etc, etc. They know where their bread is buttered, as long as all the dutiful members keep sending in the butter, not asking too many questions, not thinking too much, and not doing too much research.
@@bartonbagnes4605 Oh yeah, right. I forgot. It all comes straight out of thin air, but I think the video forgot to state that as well.
You should google things before you make claims like that Barton.
www.sltrib.com/news/mormon/2017/02/02/how-much-do-top-mormon-leaders-make-leaked-pay-stubs-may-surprise-you/
@@bartonbagnes4605 You claimed they weren't payed from tithing. I showed you the paystubs from Eyring's stipend paid by the church, which derives its money from tithing. You were wrong. If you knew how to research, you wouldn't make false claims so often.
Excelente!!!
Did anyone else notice that video of Bednar looked extremely AI generated? The audio was off and so was his face. To the creator of this channel, please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are wrong.
Here's the full event: ruclips.net/video/vAx1LRSB9kU/видео.html
Here's the church's edited version: ruclips.net/video/drsaphYuQ04/видео.html
@@TheMormonInformant Not the first one, the second one with the fireside. Not trying to be accusatory, just want to know where it came from.
@@jamesgallegos5680 The original contained a translator, and was edited to remove the translation and the resulting pauses. Bednar's words were not changed in any way. ruclips.net/video/P96APKw1EfQ/видео.html
@@TheMormonInformant okay sick. Just wondering. Love your videos. They are very useful for educating my friends and family lol
The church did away with the ward building fund.
I hope the day never comes when I am told I no longer need to Pay tithing, my family has been blessed and seen miracles, we have drawn closer to the Lord due to our opportunity to be obedient to this commandment and our relationship with our Father in heaven has strengthened because of the miracles we have personally received. it’s also good to know that our tithing has perhaps helped others.
"Perhaps" is the right word, since less than 1% of the church's wealth goes to humanitarian purposes. You could pay 0.1% of your income to almost any charity and do just as much good as your 10% to the church does.
The Church Provides more than 80% of the humanitarian aid throughout the entire world !! I don't know where you guys come up with this crap !! It's all garbage ...
What is your source for that claim?
@@TheMormonInformant
God 😉
@@TheMormonInformantin all fairness, many charities have corrupt administrations who always seem to find a way to get a pay rise, even if it means cutting generosity to outsiders. Weak institutions seem to attract corruption 😕
Reglious gangster's
WHO IS GETTING RICH???
I am so over those businessmen and their narcissistic manipulations.
It's not so much as people paying as them horriding money for building up the kingdom of God and helping the poor and needy.They should help the poor as long as their one person hungry or without shelter
The Pathways program gets zillions of people better work. It's all an institutional engine to raise people up, not a handout, yet I've taken fast offering handouts temporarily til I'm on my feet, awesome.
I mean, tell me, who in the Mormon church can testify that since they have been paying tithing, that their life has become much more prosperous financially or whatever?????
It appears the follies of Joseph Smith continue with the church. The bank in Kirkland Ohio where Joseph Smith had to retreat to Canada while the gullible saints paid off his debt. The Egyptian papyrus the cost the saints dearly and Joseph Smiths translation where he had different meanings for the same hieroglyphs in his journal. Joseph Smith was one of the to 19th century grifters that there were.
This is evil.
Tithing is necessary. "will a man rob God?"
@@bloviax no but the church will rob men!
Great content but too many ads. Very annoying
I don't control the ads unfortunately.
@@TheMormonInformant are you at least getting paid?
@@YahisMyLife No. My channel is not monetized.
@@TheMormonInformant that sucks they can still place a bunch of ads and you don't get anything. Do you have a rumble channel?
You misunderstand. I don't want ads or monetization. I don't want to be paid. My only motive here is to inform.
I am curious if you believe that Moses parted the Red Sea?
I don't believe that happened, no.
I dont give a dollar to the church
@@ambert5790 Shut up
I do not have a problem with the church bailing out companies.
Weird flex, but okay.
Tithing doesn’t bring blessings to anyone but the Q15
A lot of truth mixed with slightly less bias. But still enough bias to change the doctrine on tithing Joseph f smith taught. The church does a pretty good job of releasing information on where they’re spending money and about financial audits that they do. I’m not aware that any laws have changed but I don’t think they have to public-ally release any financial disclosures to the public.
"The church does a pretty good job of releasing information on where they’re spending money and about financial audits that they do."
They make a statement once a year that they have audited themselves. There is no discussion of where they are spending the money besides the occasional advertisement of their humanitarian donations.
Let’s ignore what Christ taught
Did Christ teach that tithing was required for temple access and exaltation? Did Christ teach that tithing should be spent on shopping malls and hunting preserves for the wealthy? Did he teach that church leaders should hide the finances of the church from the members? Did Christ teach that the poor should pay tithing rather than feed their families? Did Christ teach that tithing could be paid with slaves? The answer, of course, is no. So why did the church practice tithing this way?
“By their fruits ye shall know them”
Looks like some pretty rotten fruit to me 👀
Great video, and very clear! I love your use of AI, pretty cool
Usually, poor people who pay their tidings, if necessary, receive the double or triple in help from the Church of Christ. If not, it's a sign of learning to be self sustained. Instead of being or becoming addicted to drugs, gambling, drinking, etc, etc...
Study them and the ones who are not following that sacred law.
Malachi 3:8-12
Those verses weren't speaking to the church as a whole. They were addressed to the priests of Israel and the sons of Levi. There is no indication that they should be applied to the church as a whole.
@@TheMormonInformant I think we should read the whole Chapter, to better interpret that law and for whom is addressed...and even, the season or time
@@humbertonunes6186 I did. That's how I know who it was speaking to.
These verses in Malachi aren't supposed to apply to everyone. They were addressed to the priests of Israel and the sons of Levi who were hoarding tithes already given by the people of Israel. Nowhere do the verses say that every believer "robs God" if they don't pay tithing, or that every believer will have the windows of heaven opened if they pay. The priests robbed god by hoarding or misusing the tithing of the people of Israel, and they were promised increased blessings if they repented. redeeminggod.com/malachi-3-tithing/
I happily pay my Tithing and will continue to do so. Listen there is a reason the Book of Mormon is the Keystone, if it is true then paying tithing is something we are suppose to do.
This is an honest question, and I am not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely curious. Why take so much time to post videos fighting against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Im not looking for an argument or for anyone to be defensive, just genuinely curious why people spend a lifetime fighting against the church?
I haven't spent a "lifetime." These videos don't take long to make. I make them because I think people make better choices with more information. I spent 25 years in the church, and I would have left much sooner if I knew half of the things on this channel. I want to give others the chance to make informed choices about their membership, and in this case, their tithing to a secretive and unaccountable organization worth 200 billion.
@@TheMormonInformant Thanks for sharing, I definitely respect your opinion. The first thing I thought of after reading your comment was why then do we all pay taxes? The leaders of our country are so far from being stand up ethic citizens (both red and blue). Yet we pay taxes into the system who can print as much money as they want and give it away to other countries/individuals for unethical reasons. Do I pay taxes, absolutely... am I happy doing it... absolutely not. but I do it because it's the law. Personally I am happy to pay my tithing because I have a testimony of it regardless how much money is in the account, I have a testimony of the blessings Ill receive as well as because its one of Fathers laws.
Now I am not here to convince you you're wrong or you convince me I am wrong. I genuinely like having conversations with people and why they believe the things they believe. And why people fight against something they are no longer apart of. Anyway thanks again for sharing your thoughts. I hope you have a great week
Taxes is a good parallel. It's paid under threat of harm to old unaccountable men, and spent on many things it shouldn't be. We pay it because we face punishment if we don't, and because once in awhile the things it pays for benefit society.
@@TheMormonInformant If you think you're blown away because faithful Saints pay honest tithes, what's your reaction going to be if/when these same Saints actually living the Law of Consecration where they give their whole measure of all they possess (of their time/ talents and everything they have to the Church? I guess it goes back to belief. Do you think you can do more alone, on your own, without the Lord, or do you think you would be better off with the blessings of salvation (in the case of Consecration) or how about just having the Windows of Heaven open and a blessing literally poured out that you can't receive (as a blessing of paying an honest tithe?)? I guess it boils down to belief.
@@nathanturner5291 _"what's your reaction going to be if/when these same Saints actually living the Law of Consecration"_
It will never happen, and I'd be willing to bet on it if you were allowed to gamble.
_"Do you think you can do more alone, on your own, without the Lord, or do you think you would be better off with the blessings of salvation"_
I would think that the existence of this channel would answer that for you. I don't believe in an afterlife or a God. I do just as much alone as when I thought there was a God, so that kind of confirms my position.
_"how about just having the Windows of Heaven open and a blessing literally poured out that you can't receive"_
Never saw any evidence of that in 25 years. Seems made up.
_"I guess it boils down to belief."_
Yep. You do, and I don't, for all the reasons I listed in this video and more.
"Pay your tithing or wander alone without your family in outer darkness". I refer to tithing as your temple worthiness check.
good video, shows how corurpt this "church" is
Who's getting rich?
So glad that I follow a true prophet of God. I'm glad to pay 10% of my income to the Lord.
"So glad that I follow a true prophet of God. I'm glad to drink the grape Flavor Aid." -Jonestown Cultists
@@TheMormonInformant Boo. That prophet and the apostles of your age will judge you at the last day. Check yourself lest you wreck yourself.
@@bloviax I couldn't be less afraid of that possibility.
@@TheMormonInformant Neither was Alma.
@@bloviax Unlike Alma, I'm not a fictional character.
The Mormon god needs money for mansions and expensive cars.
not to mention all of the "mansions above" lol
Or to get back to Kolob.
Faith is an action word. It takes faith to pay tithe. Whether you a member of the church or not . Tithing is a commandment given to Israel and all true followers of Christ. It's still in effect today. When the Lord returns you do not want to be lacking in this area. In that day you can't say I didn't know.
Show me where tithing is commanded by Christ.
I enjoy paying tithing. It's a commandment. It helps me to be grateful. God doesnt need my money, but he asked for it andvIm glad to give!
Does God want your money to be illegally hidden in 13 shell companies?
It makes me so sad y’all don’t see the corruption right under your nose😩 God simply doesn’t require 10% of your money in order to go to his kingdom.
Read the New Testament again, as if for the first time. See the difference between what Jesus and his apostles taught as compared to what the LDS Church teaches. If you are honest with yourself you will see the differences.
There is not much to be done with utterly brainwashed people. It's almost a form of mental sickness. The facts can be staring straight in their face and they will ignore them.
@@NightRangerBlue hey matey.
Which differences exactly should we watch for?
The only problem is a lack of faith and testimony... the Kingdom of God must be independent to accomplish the work of the Lord!
No, I listed a few more if you were paying attention.
you should be a church and get 10% of the money too
No thanks.
The worldly eyes just cannot see not understand the spiritual side of the law of tithing.
The sheep cannot understand they're being fleeced.