Top Ten Lies by Current LDS Apostles
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- A compilation of modern LDS Apostles' biggest whoppers that ought to convince anyone to take their words with several grains of salt.
00:00 Intro
00:41 No involvement with BYU aversion therapy?
02:06 Staggering growth?
03:35 No idea where first lesson baptism invitations came from?
05:52 Packer not directing excommunications?
09:09 Mitt Romney didn't swear by temple penalties?
10:53 No church leader has ever hidden anything?
12:45 The church is not wealthy?
13:58 No church money spent on Prop 8?
15:03 LDS politicians don't take marching orders from church?
17:25 Nelson almost died in a fiery plane crash?
Some sources:
1. www.losangelesblade.com/2021/...
2. • Dallas YSA with Holland
3. www.thechurchnews.com/2019/6/...
4. www.deseret.com/1993/10/16/19...
www.newspapers.com/article/th...
www.exmormon.org/phorum/read....
5. www.dailymotion.com/video/x31...
6. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/m...
7. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/s...
news-zw.churchofjesuschrist.o...
www.sec.gov/news/press-releas...
8. • Jeffrey R. Holland Q&A...
www.deseret.com/2009/2/2/2037...
www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us...
9. • Are Latter-day Saint P...
• In Which They Discuss ...
10. • Men's Hearts Shall Fai... 
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Everyone who is using that “he who is without sin cast the first stone” thing… please don’t compare voicing criticisms to KILLING someone. Very big difference.
Especially when the criticism is provably valid.
WOW- People tried making such a ridiculous comparison, what world did they come from?
Hey Bruce. Name one I said in the video that is a lie.
You twisted the narrative on everything to meet your needs.
@@Moose46316 You said I lied. Name one specific thing I said that is a lie.
@The Mormon Informant When I have time, I will correct your lies. These men, although imperfect, are prophets and apostles of God
I've never been a mormon but from everything I've researched I've come to the conclusion that it's a multi billion dollar business and just feel sorry for all those that have been brainwashed and don't want to dig deeper or are afraid to under threat of excommunication.
As a former Mormon, the horror I felt upon digging deeper and realizing the wool had been pulled over my eyes for my entire life ... catatonic is an exaggeration, perhaps, but I went around dazed and confused for quite a few days. Not only had I been lied to, but I had been lying to others like the people I knew on my mission on behalf of the church. Ballard's lie about how they never encouraged baptism before an investigator was ready was especially insidious. I had an investigator once who was mentally challenged, and to this day I'm haunted by how I inadvertently took advantage of that to issue a baptismal challenge I knew he would accept because he just wanted to make some friends.
Personal anecdote: I grew up Mormon and went on a 2 year mission. We would have monthly meetings to basically pep us up, motivate us missionaries. There was always a certain type of language and atmosphere to these meeting. My first job after returning home was a bank teller. Well, the bank would have quarterly corporate meetings w/ all the local branches. And guess what??? All those bank meetings felt the EXACT same as the missionary meetings. Same language, same tactics to 'excite' us, etc. It was my first eye-opener that all the church uses is the same mind tactics businesses use. It's a corporation disguised as a religion.
@@acerimmer8338 I was an EFY counselor for a few summers after returning from my mission. Looking back now, I see how literally everything -- from the classes to the dances to everything that happens on Thursday (fireside, testimony meetings, musical program, and the like; it's the most "spiritual" day if that makes sense) -- is tailor-made to evoke the strongest positive emotion possible. But, as I well know in my profession as a psychologist -- emotions can lie. That's why, when I really started to have doubts and when that last shelf item brought the whole thing crashing down -- I decided that in my investigations into the church and its truth claims, I would rely on logic and reason. Not solely on whatever emotions I was feeling.
@@acerimmer8338. Well said. I think the hold they have over people is very clever. The sense of belonging to a community, the rules to live by, the secrecy, the elite feeling. Which sounds very appealing to a lot of people as long as they ignore all the nasty secrets, their many abuses, their mistreatments and lack of care and help to many of their own. and blindly follow. Coercive control to avoid being ostracized. However, and unfortunately, I can see this so called religion prevailing because the organisation is very clever and there will always be more sheep who will follow blindly or perhaps many can ignore the sham of the religious and Masonic masquerades because it makes life easier or more accepting in the area they live and work. They do love building their temples ,don't they? Alas, members only get to attend if they have stuck to all the rules. Not an all encompassing church really for so many reasons. And, just think it's worth around $300 billion tax free. Money and politics and corruption.
Oh yeah, the church is growing so big that’s why there’s like 20 people at my ward and they’re all 70 years old
Mind you, my church is literally in Fayette New York with a church started such an important historical site supposedly and there’s nobody here
Lol
@@brandoncornish5295
Wait until Summer. I was all summertime in Nauvoo. Tens of thousands! The Nauvoo Temple was full everyday!
This time was prophesied! Good job going to church!
It's growing elsewhere. Try Australia or the Philippines. New temples there.
What do you expect when the whole religion is based on the lies of Joseph Smith.
Dont you believe Jesus? The Church is based on what Jesus prescribed: living Apostles and Prophets. (Ephesians 2 & 4 Matthew 10: 40)
We do not worship or base our faith on Joseph Smith. He was like Paul or Moses who were helpers for God.
@@rconger24 : Seriously ?
@@rconger24😂😂😂
@@rconger24 Ephesians 2 & 4 Matthew 10: 40 do not say Christ's church is based on a _continuing_ line of apostles and prophets.
@@rconger24 Ok.. Jesus Christ is the only person that has died and been resurrected. So only he could baptize Joseph and Oliver. Please explain that?
All lies all the time they cannot turn it off.
“You can leave the Church, but you just can’t leave the Church alone” -Dallin H. Oaks.
Maybe if the church weren't so harmful and deceptive, people wouldn't feel the need to lessen its ability to harm and deceive.
Are you really trying to ‘understand’, as your alias would suggest? Or are you really just trying to ‘defend’ what you believe/want to be true?
It destroyed multiple generations of my family why would I leave it alone? So it can keep harming others?
I haven't changed. Im still out here telling people what I know to be true. Only now I know that the Mormon church is NOT true.
@@jaredcbowden information is what the man giveth. I'm sorry what you believe is hog wash.. I'm sorry that most of us walked away from a dude who married 15yr olds and other people's wives.. isn't there some commandment about not banging other people's wives that JS shat all over? Even in my darkest hours of debauchery and alcoholism I never tried to fully steal another man's wife. Especially not cuz God wanted me to.. keep your head in the sand brother bowden when you meet your maker he'll have a lot of questions to ask you lol
11:43 “So… just TRUST US” story of the church right there lol. Trust us and whatever we tell you to do, do it. Never do any critical thinking on your own. Or your family will be separated for eternity. 💀💀💀
It is not too much at all for the leaders to ask us to go forward in faith.
Misnomer on your part.
Oh god, that #3. Once he opened his mouth all I could do is roll my eyes. That is one of the first thing us missionaries were taught (at least 20 years ago we were). It was right in our missionary handbook lessons! The very first lesson!
"This is a church, not a corporation" - biggest lie.
How about you come up with something we haven't heard of before.
It's laughable what people do or believe about God's church.
We are told that we will believe anything, so do you!!!!!!
What is your response to the reality of Paul Gregersen debunking the arrogant Egyptologists? Paul demonstrates that Joseph Smith was right, the Egyptologists were wrong. What is your response?
Are you looking for "Mormon" Church or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the state of Utah records?
It's Neither
It's an EMPIRE
THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE OF AMERICA
And it's anything but godly
Utah is literally hell on earth !
@@anjalE30 then I would stay away
Ballard stating that “we(missionaries) were under the impression to invite baptism on the first lesson” is 100% truth. As a missionary I was taught that it was required, I was at a meeting where president nelson directly told us to do so. I was in Lima Peru setting baptism dates within an hour of meeting people. It makes me sick that Ballard pushes his shit into our shoes. I still carry a lot of guilt over what I did on my mission.
They know absolutely where this goal of immediate baptism began. I was told to do the same. Nothing much different than a high pressure door to door salesman.
We were told to do the same back in 1988.
@@uraniumu242 I think you mean weak, not week. Yeah, better not question your beliefs, then Satan gets you!
@@81bajaj corrected, thank you!
No need to feel guilty dude it’s not your fault, GOD loves you-a lot.
As a missionary in Mexico from 1999-2001, we were told from the top -- Mission president, Area Authority etc that we needed to be inviting at least 10 people everyday to get baptized, and that was our top priority, much higher than teaching discussions. After all, it was reasoned (by them), they will get the gift of the Holy Ghost and that was going to bare witness of the truthfulness and help them understand the Gospel more. I hated these ideas so much, it seemed so silly.
@@rickhuntling7338 IE the Gospel from the point of view of this church. Thanks for your reply
I'm not defending the stone seer@@rickhuntling7338
Yet it happened, and continues to happen, over and over again. Right?
I think so. I've had several friends who had similar experiences in different missions. Not isolated.@@briancrismonpetersen7885
I am sure ALL disciples have said that to the Savior right?!
Issuing a baptism challenge during the first discussion was taught to missionaries in my mission by Loren C. Dunn (president of the North America Central Area). He told us that we should pray with the investigators during the first discussion about the truth of the Book of Mormon and immediately follow the prayer with a challenge tied to a specific baptismal date 2 or 3 weeks out. He role played with us in a meeting for zone leaders so we could practice and teach other missionaries in our zones.
Nope. False. No leader has ever once taught missionaries to invite to baptism after only ONE meeting with investigators.
@@scotthullinger4684You're lying.
Preach my Gospel, Lesson 1: "As directed by the Spirit, during this or any other lesson, do not hesitate to invite people to be baptized and confirmed." www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/lesson-1-the-message-of-the-restoration-of-the-gospel-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng
Old Missionary Lessons, Discussion 1, Principle 6: "Invite: As prompted by the Spirit, you could now invite the investigators to be baptized." archive.org/details/Discussion1ThePlanOfSalvation/page/n11/mode/2up
Missionary Training Manual "Check Your Progress" - "5. I invite my investigators to be baptized in the first lesson. 6. I invite my investigators to be baptized with a specific date no later than the second lesson." www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/a-missionarys-mtc-experience-language-2015/fundamentals/check-your-progress?lang=eng
@@TheMormonInformant Note that the instruction is to be BY THE SPIRIT. The need for baptism isn't a game of numbers. It is the first step in a journey toward knowing God. When an investigator feels the Spirit testify of truth, Satan will step in an attempt to plant doubts and fears. What the person needs MOST is the gift of the Holy Spirit to discern light and truth. This gift is given AFTER baptism. And that person is free to do what they wish at any time.
John 14:26: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
Eph 5:8-1" "For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
1 John 5:5: "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."
@@scotthullinger4684the only reason I’m on this video is because missionaries came to my house and set a baptism date for a month out, it was my first time ever speaking to the gentlemen
@@jaelynnholloman4260 - Let me guess: And you assumed somehow that it was standard, universal, practice at the time? No ...
But no doubt some missionaries here & there didn't follow protocol.
the thumbnail gave me a chuckle. well done, sir.
I had no idea about the conversion therapy thing. Absolutely blows my mind. It’s so crazy the things I’m learning about the church after I’ve left. I left because I didn’t care for the LDS church, everything just felt forced. Since now learning more and more about it I’m certainly not going to reconsider going to the LDS church.
I learned about it as a child bc my mom attended Ricks (now BYUI) when it was happening and some of her male hs besties told her what was happening to them bc they ended up having breakdowns on her dorm room couch. My mom was everyone's "mom" when she was there and knew they could trust her. I didn't know but to bury it all in my head bc I was just in elementary and I overheard her phone conversation when I was supposed to be asleep in bed. I had totally forgotten until this video. 💀
Not as much was known back the about when some young men have those kinds of questions. No one else had better answers.
With your statement of self-alienation, how will you become perfected in Christ?
To me was mind bowing too. I have a cousin that is gay grown up in the church and he claims the most traumatizing part of his life was when he was an active member, he used to speak south even when young so imagine his life among people judging you all the time
just trust us.....omg
as a missionary in central america during 2006-08 we were told to push baptisms every lesson
And...?
So????
@@herbofallon965Did you not watch the video? The relevance should be obvious.
@@allenbrandon10313:34
@@paulburn1400 irrelevant
Masonic handshake at 20 seconds in.
Yup, Joe Smith was a Mason, and thus a member of two cults simultaneously.
Thank you for sharing these facts, yes facts about the LDS Church. Unfortunately, this is not the only church making such outlandish statements.
These are not facts they are falsehoods, and I can prove it. Mormon Informant is misinformed.
You are just excepting this video as fact, without even giving the church a chance.
@@liamgross08 I agree. This video has twisted the narrative
@@hgm26 I fear God more than you.
@bp84cougars Name one thing I said that is false.
The AI audio is amazing, true gift of tongues. What site or software did you use?😊
Terrifying
Sir, it's poor judgement to😢 say the AI system is a "Gift of tongues."
You seriously believe that AI software is used for this? I'm in Utah and members here have experiential proof of all these videos.
Nah this is all real...sadly
@@jusapoet72IT SAYS AI on the screen in that part. Just read what the screen says. You can be against the church and not be blind.
How did Paul H Dunn get away with his lies for 20 years and the other leaders said they didn't know.
Because their claimed "spiritual discernment" is fiction
On my mission, I was pushed and taught to baptize FIRST THING! wow!!!! this video blows my mind, Ballard is contradicting what I was taught the entire time.
I served a mission and was not taught to baptize first. I was taught to teach love and serve.
@@Moose46316 not me. I served in 2007-2009 tho🤷🏼♂️
@mission ion That is what I was taught. I loved my mission, and I love the Church. I served in the early 80s. It was a huge blessing to me and my life. I wasn't taught that we gotta get baptisms first. We must get converts through love service and having charity
@@Moose46316, I served in 2003 to 2005. I was taught the same thing as well. Teach with Love and compassion as the Saviour, Jesus Christ did. Thank you for your service.
@@johnnykaiopaice2338 I loved my mission. I am now in a branch presidency and love serving
so many lies. They are so obsessed with avoiding the appearance of evil they forgot to actually not be evil.
These men are not evil. These men are prophets and apostles.
@@Moose46316Holding a position of leadership within the church doesn't magically render them exempt from being evil. The fact that these men lied in the first place is all the proof you need for religious leaders to have the potential for evil.
@Paul Burn First of all, these are not lies. This man who did the video is twisting the facts. Secondly, I have prayed and asked the Lord, are these men truly apostles, and is President Nelson a prophet? The answer came that these are men are apostles, and President Nelson is a prophet. I will never deny that fact.
@@Moose46316 You say the information in this video has been twisted. Give me proof.
Why do you need to pray in order to confirm that the mormon church has indeed given these men the title of 'apostle' or 'prophet'? This would be common knowledge to anyone familiar with the church, and I don't think anyone was disputing that to begin with.
@Paul Burn We are taught members to find the truth for ourselves to gain our own testimonies. I am not getting into a tit for tat discussion with you. It would prove fruitless because I will never be able to change your mind. I challenge you to read the Book of Mormon and pray for yourself to find the truth.
In spanish , please !!!
lol I'm a Chinese Exmormon. I did some statistics for church growth in Asia... all of them less than 1% (when factoring their presense vs the total population)
We had contests in my mission for the most baptisms. I was shocked.
After leaving the church, I still love the saints just not these leaders who should answer for their deception.
You guys are nutjobs
Millionaires lying to stay in control. That never happens. lol.
Elder Holland is not a millionaire.
@@Moose46316you're right. He's a multi millionaire
@@Moose46316I’m sorry Multi-Millionaire
You fool these old men getting allowances maybe $135k not including bills all paid off when invited for job if Apposile lol. Sign NDA if so you known its Lucifers Church for realz
Have you seen Holland's bank account?
Your logo is really cool but eerily similar to Jacob Hansen’s “thoughtful faith”. 😬
I had mine first.
Love your video & thumbnail!👏😂
Yeah, definitely told to ask for baptism in the first lesson.
In 1953, at my first meeting with the missionaries, I was asked "If you find what we teach to be true, will you be willing to be baptized?" Was a good way not to waste their time IMO.
Thank you for such a comprehensive video. The story at the end. I just find so irritating pretended that he was right about the plane, catching on fire and spiraling out of control in a moment like that a woman screaming, does not define whether or not she felt like she had faith in God or not it was a fear reaction. And for him to downplay what she may, or may not have been feeling in a moment if you’re like that is just so condescending and arrogant.
Yes well said. His reaction to her distress lacked any empathy.
Agreed! There’s always a moral story laced with grandiose superiority!
Why is it not surprising that the example Nelson gave involved an hysterical woman…🙄
It's that overall arrogance that irks me. Makes my hackles rise.
Wym AI reenactment audio
Their words were recorded only in print form. They said them in real life, but no recording was available. I used A.I. to narrate their words in their own voice.
I think that sometimes a person might like to hear about baptism on the first meeting ..
They can always ask. Or the missionaries can try to feel things out. But making it the expectation and then claiming that you never did that is dishonest.
What do expect when church leaders have stated that the truth may be detrimental to your testimony of the gospel. Huh?? I, like Oliver Cowdery after finding out about Joseph Smith's tryst with Fanny Alger, have resigned from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints.
Well, if you understood what the Fanny Alger thing was all about, you wouldn't have blamed Joseph. Joseph sealed himself to men & women at the time to connect to God's family. Sealing did not equate marriage originally. That was twisted by Brigham and boys. So if you left, you should have really left over Brigham and not Joseph. Brigham was an adulterer, not Joseph. Brigham has a lot of blood on his hands and Joseph stated if Brigham were to lead the church, he would lead it to hell and would become the most licentious man in the world. All the dark fruits came from the tares in the church. Fanny Alger was known to be a virtuous woman all her life and married outside the church. Things were not as they appeared. Joseph, Emma and Hyrum spoke against these gross abominations of plurality of wives and just before Joseph got to Brigham to deal with him, he was murdered. You need to know the truth. Leaders in the church who know will be held in high accountability to God for these gross sins and furthering false history. Of course there are some who do not know the real truth of these matters. The church had been corrupted long ago. We sorted some things out but not all. The cleansing will come soon as per D&C 112.
@@SidJane10
You certainly have brainwashed yourself, in all this!
>>> There is now a Church essay (at the official website of The Church) about Joseph Smith's polygamy!
>>> Even the late President Hinckley lied about this, in an interview he gave.
@@ahashdahnagila6884 Obviously he knows the truth better than what the church has publically posted (however buried deep in their website). He ought to contact church headquarters and correct them.
Oliver Cowdery actually repented and was a active member in the Church until he died
Don't forget Quentin's story of flying with, and standing up to Mick Jagger.
Different Cook. Gene R. Cook.
@@TheMormonInformant Oh dang! My bad. I'm sorry.
lol I always felt that was made-up.
something, something, don't make man a king in your mind, or a God in your heart.
Would Christ really kick somebody out of his church? No
The fun thing, for me, is Christ didn't have a Church or set one up. He was a Jew.
If people aren't following Him, they pretty much kicked themselves out.
Just one question! Who is profiting with all this money ? how about you do a video showing the expensive cars , mansions , expensive life styles etc ? ill be eager to see !!
Virtually nobody is profiting from it. The top leadership receives a living stipend of $160,000 a year (twice the median US income), and many of them do have several large properties, nice cars, and lavish lifestyles, but for the most part the money is simply hoarded for the benefit of no one.
It's all being invested in real estate, etc. And held in shell companies. Some have said, so they can provide the new government and take care of their flock after/during the end times.
Thanks for sharing this. Can you explain exactly what is meant by AI audio reenactment. What is actually done to achieve this result?
A sample of each man's voice is fed to a neural network, and through deep learning, it is able to reproduce the person's voice almost exactly. You can then make them say anything. For the purposes of this video, I have made them say only things we know they said, but don't have the audio recording for. This seems ethical to me, but I understand some might disagree. I also cloned my own voice, and the narration for this video is 100% from an A.I. clone of me.
Cloning someone voice without stating so in the video is unethical. You’d need to state that you don’t have the recording. By not providing actual recording audio you are asking us to trust in what you are stating which may or may not be true.
@@MrMachu15 I stated so in the video.
@@TheMormonInformant That is so cool. I wish you could just record them saying "yep, we LIED big time", lol just kidding. Thanks for sharing.
@@TheMormonInformant which software do you use for the audio recording and synthesis?
Always Remember all people are not perfect, even lds leaders are not perfect
Ugh! When I was in the MTC in 2019, I was definitely taught BY MTC INSTRUCTORS AND PERSONNEL to invite people to be baptized ON THE FIRST LESSON!
Also... I worked in the MTC as an actor, who was taught by dozens, probably hundreds of missionaries. Guess what? I got asked quite a few times if I'd want to be baptized in the first or second lesson.
God is taking account -- He knows the truth - and who the liars are
Hey, me too! That's what this video is about! :)
Well said.
Right - and the anti-Christs are the only LIARS here.
That does not include any members of the church in good standing.
It's just the sore loser variety who tells us lies, and who find fault with every good person and thing.
Great Video ❤️👍
The missionaries should follow the commandments and teach new members in aLL THING PERTAINING to the Kingdom first
Great Video, lots of facts.
A business that dabbles in occultism
That is a weird response and has no foundation or truth to it.
@@stanleyhall8951ok prove him wrong mamas boy
Best description of the Mormon church.
These Leaders are at least 4 times older than you. That are in there 80 's.
They should have four times as much practice being honest then.
1 discussion baptism invitation. I was told to do this on my mission in 1992. Interesting.
I remember Nelson’s talk. I was still active then. I felt like I was being mocked at the time because I had had a traumatizing turbulence case. He basically said if you are scared while falling from the sky you suck at faith…right?
I still feel like I was scammed by the church for years.
I don’t think without the lies they could convince anyone that their church is true. It’s one of the most ridiculous religions on earth. Twisted
What makes my religion so ridiculous? Can you please explain?
@@Moose46316God has many wife…… Had sex with Mary, didn’t allowed blacks until recently, Polygamy, Pentagram in and on the temples, hand signs the are the same of free masonry, Doctrine and Covenant has been edited rewritten many times shall I continue???
name any part of it that Christian lol and not completely made up. Are you severely under educated on Lds? Start with Book Of Abraham proven complete sham
It’s easier to deceive people than convince them they’ve been deceived
@BrianWaller-qe7gr There is no deception when the Lord reveals his truth to you like he did to me. We have a living modern-day prophet in President Nelson and twelve apostles.
Very interesting!
Great video! Thanks for sharing
This is from the top leadership, but how many examples could we list from local and regional leaders. I tell people I've never been deceived by any person, government, or organization the way I've been deceived by the Mormon church.
XMormons are so blessed to figure out the truth through all the lies and deception of the LDS Church.
I'm not agreeing the wealth accrued by the LDS church is ok. But to put it in perspective a little, members (though perhaps manipulated) often pay 10% of their continual income to the church. There are 17 million members. That equates to about $5,881 per member. Just saying it's not very surprising it would be this much. Over a 10 year period, the average American household would pay about $60K in tithing. Honestly surprised the $100 billion is not MUCH MUCH bigger, and it probably is.
17 million is not the number who pay tithing, or even the number of adults who would be employed. And 100 B is just the amount we know about. A recent study found that 1.4 million members in the US actually attend each week out of the 6,804,028 members reported by the church. That's 20% of their reported membership. If their numbers are similarly inflated around the globe, then worldwide active membership would be 3,400,000. Only about 80% of those would be adults with a form of income. That means roughly 2,720,000 people worldwide are tithe payers. That comes to $36,764 per tithe-payer.
@@TheMormonInformant Yes, all of that. You don't have to argue it with me 😂
And as we both said, it's probably a lot more (unless it's all tied into property, which there is a ton).
Obviously just spitballing, but if we assume all your considerations "mas o menos" accurate (see what I did there), $35K from the average, single dedicated household is like 6-7 years of tithing in the US. And we know many members are extremely well off and would be multiplying this by large factors. Imagine a 6 digit salary from a faithful member over 30 years.
In my view, many church members think tithing is how money should be 'shared' rather than public tax. Yet, not only does it have a similar effect on the wallet, which they get upset about when it's tax, but the money to church stays inside, to benefit only a small group, and often not even the members themselves (rather a thick bank account).
In many countries out of USA the salary is very low or they work independently, earn less than 800$ per month.
@@isaknight5487 Correct, the very rough estimates I made don't even include other countries.
I wouldn't assume their membership numbers or their net worth are what they say they are.
Boom 🎤 Drop
Hypocrites!!!!
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A.I. Audio re-enactment? So those are faked recordings?
When noted, the voice has been reconstructed. The words are authentic, but the "recording" is simulated.
I’m curious: do you think they actually believe what they preach? Or are they faithless guys knowingly pushing nonsense because it gives them a bit of power?
My opinion is that if you the say the same a lie enough and throw in a lot of conviction behind it then at some point even you start to believe it. The GAs are treated like all knowing Rock Stars wherever they go the general membership hang on ever word they speak as some type revelation. So I think they believe everything they say is some form of inspiration even if it is not exactly true.
@@SteveSmith-os5bs Interesting. And certainly possible. I’ve seen it before in other groups. Do you think they think the BOM is historically accurate, or do you think they suspect/know it’s not, or what?
@Mahatma Randy I really don't think they care. The church doesn't spend too much time trying to authentic the Book of Mormon. The first presidency believes it took place in New State. Most apologists, I think, believe that most of the events took place in Central America, South America, and Meso America. The church still holds that Book of Mormon is a literal history of the Nephites and Lamenites.
@@SteveSmith-os5bs thank you. There’s two kinds of dishonest religious people that I am interested in. The most obvious one is people who are just lying to get money in power. The second one is people who actually believe, but they believe that that belief justifies a whole lot of lying. Because if you’re lying for a good cause, it’s not a sin, or whatever. Objectively it doesn’t make any difference but I just always like to know that kinds of people involved in these sorts of things. Is it a delusion or a scam? That kind of thing
@Mahatma Randy I think that it is more complicated than that. I was very much a true literal believer in the LDS church till age 50, and even after I found out that the church was a fraud, I still stayed active for 9 more years in order to preserve family relationships. Being LDS is not a once a Sunday religion. The church is very much the center of your life, very much like it would be to be an Orthodox Jew. Most Mormons are extremely honest and sincere. I think that the dishonesty in it comes from the very top and is just accepted as fact as it works its way down to local leaders and membership. The vast majority of active Mormons don't want to lie to anyone, and with most local leadership, it is never about power. Bishop and stake presidents hold the position for about 5 years. Mormon culture can be a very complicated subject.
The 2nd Anointing covers a multitude of sins lol
I went through my entire preach my gospel handbook and it said nothing about inviting to baptise during the 1st lesson! If it is written in there it is most likely in the 1st copies or perhaps more recent. Preach my gospel is constantly being reviewed and minor changes made if inspiration/revelation is received by the apostles and prophets.
"As directed by the Spirit, during this or any other lesson, do not hesitate to invite people to be baptized and confirmed."
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/lesson-1-the-message-of-the-restoration-of-the-gospel-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng&id=figure17_p1#figure17_p1
It's also in several places in this companion manual. Start on page 13.
docplayer.net/55544659-In-field-training-for-new-missionaries-the-first-12-weeks-for-new-missionaries-and-trainers.html
@@TheMormonInformant that first part is crucial. "As directed by the spirit..." That doesn't translate to let's have you be baptized.
@@Sethleon-qf8tl This is anecdotal, but in my mission in 2009, the entire mission was required to invite investigators to be baptized on the first lesson, and set their baptism date for one week later. We were chastised and derided for being disobedient if we didn't invite on the first lesson. "The Lord couldn't bless us if we didn't have the faith to boldly invite people to be baptized during the first lesson." The spirit was not a consideration.
If you examine the second link I posted, you will see how emphasized it was to extend invitations on the first lesson. This was the expectation at the time. M. Russel Ballard knows this.
@@TheMormonInformant IF you went on a mission and IF you are telling the truth about what happened on your mission, then the mission president could have got that wrong (he is human too). Even apostles and prophets of old and today are not infallible and can make mistakes. More likely out of fatigue, even exhaustion, which may cause some delusion about SOME details, than deliberately trying to deceive and lie!
May I ask why did U go on a mission? Did you have a testimony at the time?
@Alex in the Middle My mission president didn't get it wrong. He took marching orders from the brethren. It was in this manual, published by the church to be used in conjunction with Preach My Gospel. Start on page 13.
docplayer.net/55544659-In-field-training-for-new-missionaries-the-first-12-weeks-for-new-missionaries-and-trainers.html
I went on a mission because I understood it to be my duty, because I felt I needed to set an example to my younger family members, and because not going never really seemed like an option. I had a "testimony" in the sense that I was convinced by my sheltered knowledge of the church that it was true. But I had never had any answer to prayer, or any spiritual confirmation of anything related to the church. I hoped that going on a mission might change that. Instead, everything quickly fell apart. I'm happy to get into details if you want.
if the savior himself when he was on earth, still people never believed apart from the few ones, he was denied and crucified and what about lds leaders today, the same has to happen to them
Really? Which LDS leaders have been crucified?
When and where did Elder ballard make the comments about baptisms?
www.thechurchnews.com/2019/6/26/23221037/president-ballard-said-missionaries-shouldnt-invite-people-to-be-baptized-without-feeling-the-spirit
What is the *AI audio reenactment at 4:03 in the video? For someone proclaiming that church officials are liars, this video does not demonstrate much in the way of transparency. Anyone who wants to can visit the various church websites and find just about anything they can think of. The church is very transparent.
I literally labeled it as a reenactment. There was no effort to misrepresent the audio as a real recording, and the words they were documented to have said were not altered in any way. That is as transparent as it gets.
@@TheMormonInformant I pray that you find something better to do with your time. The Church does an amazing amount of good. Why don't you try making videos about positive things for a change?
@@brainstem2023 Does the amount of good an organization does excuse the lies of those who lead it? Can I lie constantly as long as I donate to charity once in a while?
Your video is very well done. It makes me very sad though. Thank you for sharing these things in such a respectful manner.
Ether 12:26. And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness;
Neat scripture. Your leaders are still liars.
They’re human so of course they’re going to mistakes.
The church is still the lords restored gospel in these latter days
@@arthurjunior30 Prove it.
You can’t prove faith you can only experience it, my friend
SOOO excited to see a video come out from you! This is great! I've shown your videos to my parents to inform them, which were very helpful. Thank you very much!!! 💙
How did they take it?
@@TheMormonInformant They took it pretty well. They didn't know about the Kirkland safety society, they were shocked. The fifty problems one we would pause and talk about points and read the quotes from leaders. They were surprised by what some leaders had said. They had never heard of the kinderhook plates, so I showed them that one. I really like your videos because they are loaded with solid information!
@@melissamckinley-rigg2311 So glad to hear it!
I'm gonna be straight forward I am a convert to the church and I have done a lot of research on the church. I don't believe in the church because of what the brethren say I believe in it because Jesus Christ told me to believe in it. Every time I start having doubts there's always something to pull me back and about 80 percent of more of the time it's Jesus Christ. I always have inspired videos pop for me just telling me to have faith and keep going. Now would Satan want me to strive to follow the commandments of God? No he wouldn't. He would do everything to keep me away. I know that the church is true. I know that a lot of the things the church does is super shady like the BYU shock therapy thing is something else. Something else I have learned is that I'm not going to get all the answers right away. That sometimes it takes time to get the answer. So even though all this is super incriminating it will be revealed to me eventually. Now my testimony is that God has told me that the book of Mormon is true so that means Joseph smith was his prophet and that means these men are his chosen apostle. Look at Peter for example. When the savior told him that he would deny him he told him he wouldn't. Well we know that he did intentionally for his own life. I don't see red banners and stuff for him do I? I don't know all the facts but I know as I listen to these men they speak truth probably not every word but it keeps me going.
I converted ten people to the church. It is one of my biggest regrets, and I hope they all got out eventually. If it makes you happy, don't let me get in the way of that. But don't ever let the church take advantage of you. The church has $200 billion, and doesn't need your tithing. Your time belongs to you, and its not selfish to say no to assignments and callings. Don't let it take anything from you that you don't want to give.
This sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me
Sounds like cope
@@seufubeca1yup, but what it most sounds like is prelest.
The church lied to me: taught me a false gospel, lied about how the BOM was translated-never said anything to me about his head in a hat lied about the Book of Abraham, and lied about there being no paid ministry. But, these things in this video make me want to vomit.
I remember on my mission hearing stories about other missionaries baptizing people who didn't want to be baptized. Some paid them to be baptized and some were baptized because they had a crush on one of the missionaries.
I just left the church for the very same reason, went back to the Methodist Church where I belonged. What a difference, I was welcomed with open arms, no judgement, no telling me how much tithing I would be paying, and they actually mention Christ in song and sermon.
"Everything good comes from the Lord, everything bad comes from the devil".
If we always comment negative to other people then we let evil rule over us. If we kept on criticizing other people we hardened our hearts, and we allow Satan to have power in our lives.
Which one will we choose, allow Jesus Christ to rule over us or Satan?".
On the other hand, the Devil is the father of lies. If the apostles are lying, then they are being influenced by Satan, and so are the people that they lie to. Don't you think it's important to know when Apostles are lying so you know what Satan is telling them to say?
AI audio reinactment!
Yes!
Excellent thumbnail!!
You forgot to include Peter the ancient Apostle lied and denied knowing Jesus 3 times. What's your point? All have fallen short, including me and you. Thanks be to God and His grace!
Well, the title is "Top Ten Lies by *Current LDS* Apostles." Peter is not a current apostle, and he didn't belong to the LDS church. I didn't forget him, you just didn't read.
So besides investing time criticizing leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, please declare your POSITIVE message about the Lord, Jesus Christ. Explain how believers can be saved through Christ's atoning blood. You see, once you convince people to shun one religion, wouldn't it be wise to bear witness of the True Way to salvation from sin, unto eternal life in the kingdom of God?@@TheMormonInformant
@@AskDrMatt I am not a Christian. Why would I try to convince anyone of Christianity?
fallen short from what exactly?
People love to find imperfections in other people/organizations who do alot of good and service for others…
People love to defend liars by deflecting and pointing to something irrelevant to the fact that they are liars.
9:14 he’s an honest liar!those prosperity preachers have got competition!
And my soul hungered; and I kneeled down before my Maker, and I cried unto him in mighty prayer and supplication for mine own soul; and all the day long did I cry unto him; yea, and when the night came I did still raise my voice high that it reached the heavens.
That certainly is a quote. Not sure what it has to do with the video.
@@TheMormonInformant The quote is true. Your video is false.
Name one thing I said that is false.
@@TheMormonInformant The very first one is a lie! If someone is going to poison you. They won't give you a bottle of the stuff. They'll mix it with your favorite dessert and have you consume it. Such is the case with lies. The worst types of lies are those mixed with truth. You have denied your testimony of the Gospel which is pure truth. I advise that you .....kneel before your Maker and cry unto Him for your own soul...until you get your testimony back.
@holidayrap Bearing testimony that something is true without offering evidence isn’t the knockout punch you think it is. All these lies by LDS leaders have been documented, your quote was literally pulled out of a hat using a rock.
The standard of truth has been erected. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
-Joseph Smith, 1842
Your church is already shrinking in relation to the world population, and will officially be in decline by 2030. 36% of people born in the LDS church leave and never come back. Less than half of millennials born in the church are still members. 34 percent of Gen Z are religiously unaffiliated, and that number is climbing. Only a third of gen Z members are predicted to stay in the church. Your active membership is less than five million. That's only 0.06% of the world population. That is as high as that percentage will ever be.
I think that it is really an important detail that the shocks were not given to the biceps, but directly on the dick. It was also measuring arousal and giving shocks when detected.
That is false. The study details the exact method, which involved shocks to the bicep, and a plethysmograph on the penis to measure arousal. No shocks were ever delivered to the penis. The rumor came from a single ABC article reporting the experience of John Clarence Cameron, a participant in the study. I emailed John personally to ask if the article got it right, and this was his response:
"ABC got it wrong. I asked then to retract it but they posted a correction separately. so that misinformation is still out there. The electrodes were placed on the soft part of the underarm - always."
The author likely misunderstood the purpose of the plethysmograph, and assumed that the shock was delivered by it.
One thing: The M Russell Ballard and Elder Oaks quotes sound AI generated (the voice, I mean)
Not a big deal, but I wonder if it would be better just to read it without doing a AI.
People might argue that the quotes are inauthentic because they’re AI generated.
I literally labeled them on screen as A.I. reenactments. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I used A.I. to do this. People can ague all they want about whether that is ethical, but these are their real words, written in news articles that documented them. I just used A.I. to narrate them.
That was quite a well-done video. Thanks for caring enough to make that.
The whole...."we don't influcene politics" thing is absolute BS. Nothing happens in Utah without the express permission of the church.
Right? Remember when Romney ran for president? The: “And I’m a Mormon” advertisements everywhere! They don’t have to ask for donations to run campaigns. It’s required by every single Mormon to donate to the campaign, or else…
Yeah, that made me LOL. In Utah, the church IS the government.
Love this! Thank you for pointing these out. It’s so important that people understand this but unfortunately, too many members are brainwashed into thinking that they are men of God for “speaking as a man” when they make mistakes.
And you dont lie?...
@@Robearthjr I don’t purport myself to be a man of god or an emissary for God or even to talk to God on behalf of millions of religious followers. I don’t pretend I am a mouthpiece for the one and only true church with religious teachings that will provide salvation for everybody on the planet. Mormon leaders need to quit telling members that “we will never lead the members astray” because when they get caught they also always say “we do not apologize”.
Stop lying why not go watch hello saints where an evangelical pastor investigates the LDS church he tells you this thoughts and feelings trying to understand why the LDS church believes the way they do what is the difference between evangelical Christian’s and the LDS church. Love how you say LDS members are brain washed man that’s a bold statement since the LDS church is the fastest growing church in the world. LDS church does more for humanitarian efforts then any church in the world. Members and non members.
I'm literally brought to tears. I believe 🙏 in The Most High God. I am a Latter Day Saint...not a Mormon. I knew things were way off when I spoke up about the graven images using Biblical scripture, and members targeted my speech with just repeating the church is true crap. I also find myself begging for help as I'm going through severe persecution, and I'm not getting offered help.I begged for my patriarchal blessing. Begged for my house blessing,and sealing of my child and never got it. My baby is over 1 years old now. I wrote a letter to President Nelson regarding my situation, requesting placement in Utah, and never even got a response. I pray people repent. Yeshura/Jesus didn't hangout with the rich folk, and I think many of the members have forgotten about that. I'm willing to work, service others and participate in relief society but I'm getting overlooked. I hope this is not retaliatory because those graven images should come down immediately! I care!
I am sorry to hear about the situation with your blessings. I've never heard of such a thing. I'm not rich and there are plenty of poor people in my stake. I am happy to help you if you wish.
I think you are living with the CINO's (Christian In Name Only). A true Latter Day Saints, will help you, if you ask for help. That's why, the Lord will clean up Zion. It was already written in the scriptures, that Zion will be chastised because of their wickedness. They are not obeying the Lord, despite having the gospel truths. They take it for granted, believing that they will be saved in the Kingdom of God. Not everyone that say Lord, Lord...will be saved, but those who are obeying all his commandments, will be saved. And those that love their neighbors. If we are not careful and never read the scriptures to study and apply it in our lives. We will always, always be deceived.
Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
... And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ.
Lies aren't of God, and intentionally telling a lie is not a "mistake." Glad I could clear that up for you.
@@TheMormonInformant from your perspective and biases.
@@samk833 Satan is the father of lies, according to your scriptures.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/4?lang=eng&id=p4#p4
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/10?lang=eng&id=p25-p26#p25
I can't find any scripture suggesting that lies are of God or godly. My "perspective and bias" is your own doctrine.
"Lying is intentionally deceiving others."
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-31-honesty?lang=eng&id=p6#p6
In every case I discussed, these men knew that what they said was false, and never took the opportunity to correct the record. Their deception was intentional. They didn't make a "mistake." They lied.
@@TheMormonInformant lies according to your biases. When we don't have the Spirit, we don't understand the things of the Spirit. The devil doesn't understand the things of the Spirit and he never will. We need to humble ourselves so we can have the Spirit to understand.
@@samk833 There is no "bias" involved in determining whether a statement is true or false. It either is or it isn't, and all you need to do is look at the evidence. The evidence is clear. These men lied. To draw any other conclusion would require a delusional bias against objective reality.
Omg!!! On my mission we were taught to ask if they wanted to be baptized on the first discussion. It worked for me…Ballard is so gross
This is a really good video and I really appreciate the information. I’m not a fan of the AI generated voices, though. They’re very effective and convincing, yes, but I feel like it’s pretty morally questionable to use someone else’s voice without their consent? I trust that the quotes you’re using are real and I appreciate that you marked which ones used AI generated voices. But the implication that a person could use things like deepfakes and AI generated voices to make it look like a person did or said something they didn’t do is troubling to me. Again, the video is great and you’ve done good research, I would just suggest being careful about using AI generated voices.
A.I. becomes unethical when you make a convincing clip of damning or embarrassing words a person hasn't said, and present the clip as being genuine. Here, the words are 100% their own, and have been clearly marked as fake.
In most of these cases, a real recording existed at some point, or probably still exists but isn't available to the public. Knowing these words were once uttered by these men, it doesn't feel terribly unethical (to me at least) to make them repeat their own words. I believe the transcripts to be accurate enough that nothing here has been misrepresented, but nothing would make me happier than the church pulling out the actual recordings to correct the record. I do understand your unease, and I hope I have done more good than harm by producing these clips.
If it makes you feel any better, I included myself in the cloning. The narration of this video was 100% a clone of my voice.
@@TheMormonInformant That's fair, I appreciate the thoughtful response. I understand that AI has a lot of potential for good, and it's something that scares, interests, and fascinates me at the same time. Ai generated art has been a big controversy in the art community lately and I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Presently I still feel uncomfortable with the potential of AI art and voice replication, but we still have yet to see how it'll affect the world.
@@TheMormonInformant the lying of Holland isn't even good at lying: so obvious just listening to him shuddering a true give away he's making it up as he's speaking.
There's something off about the Elder Ballard audio. I donno. My gut is saying something is wrong there as in, I think it might be fake. Doesn't sound like him, the lie sounds weird, I donno.
No audio recording was ever provided for his original talk. His words were impersonated by A.I. as a substitute. www.thechurchnews.com/2019/6/26/23221037/president-ballard-said-missionaries-shouldnt-invite-people-to-be-baptized-without-feeling-the-spirit
The year 2016 has been an extraordinary year for stake creations. Thus far, there have been 85 new stakes organized since January 1st, 2016. T
Holland claimed the creation of "double digit stakes *every week of our lives."* If that were true, there should have been at least 520 stakes created in 2016 (10 x 52 weeks). In reality, there were 92 added in 2016, for an average of 1.77 stakes per week. Thank you for proving my point that Holland is a liar.
@@TheMormonInformant oh!! that make him a liar, he is human he can make little mistake or the secretary pass himm the wrong information, come on Bro, don't be so quick to judge, that no make him a liar and you know it, just you want to fight against Jesus Christ, is your eternity no my.
When people say things that they know aren't true, they are lying. Do you really believe that Holland didn't know how many stakes were being created, and was off by more than 8? If he truly didn't know, then he was lying by claiming that he did know.
when the world needed him most, he came back.
Please keep doing these videos.
O my gosh, the biggest theatrical lier was Mr Nelson. What a poor funny , what ever. I wonder what he’s going to tell his maker. 😇
It's awesome that you have this much free time that you are able to make videos about a church you don't belong to lol
It doesn't take much time at all for me, and it has saved hundreds of people years of their lives and thousands of their dollars. As your church continues to wither into obscurity, you may want to devote some of your time considering why it is losing 2/3 of gen Z and half of millennials, and whether it is a good use of your time to continue supporting and defending a dishonest, harmful, and obsolete institution.
@@TheMormonInformant why do you care about what I do with my time? All you are doing is proving Joseph Smith right.
You were the one telling me how to use my free time, and not seeing the irony of wasting yours. And if you were referring to Joseph's "prophecy" that his name would be had for good and evil, that is a Barnum statement. It applies to any well known figure from Hitler to Mr. Rogers. It is only impressive to people who haven't given it an ounce of critical thought.
@@TheMormonInformantthe church will continue to grow
@@bensonjarvis5025 It's already shrinking.
doesn't surprise me, they are not known for telling the truth
General Authorities all have degrees from the University of Paul Dunn School of Story Telling.
Dallin Oats is now a professor at the University.
General authorities are not perfect, and Elder Dunn repented. However, I know through much fasting and prayer that these are men of God and that they are apostles for our day and age
@@Moose46316
Sorry it was joke I’m sure you’re sincere. I couldn’t stay in the church bc of the many land mines ( CES letter) and didn’t believe any more as anti Mormon literatures were true.
The moslem terrorist prays to his God and has faith that his prophet Mohammed is true, he is willing to die for his faith-but is it true?
Another thing that bothered me was the discovery that blood of the first people of the Americas did not detect any Jewish blood proven by DNA. I’m Polynesian, this is just one of the land mines. Now the church is changing the Book of Mormon to read “among” the blood.
@vp3970 History and genetic evidence suggest that modern Jewish DNA is neither an inclusive nor exclusive indicator of the genetics of ancient Israel. Throughout history, the Jewish population was reconstituted from only a fraction of its former people on at least several occasions. Only a fraction of the Jews returned from Babylon; only a portion of the Palestine Jews survived the Roman counterattacks following the Jewish uprising which culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD; many others perished in European pogroms. Dr. Robert Pollack notes that Ashkenazi Jews, which constitute most of the present Jewish population, “descend from a rather small number of families who survived the pogroms of the mid-1600s. It has been proven that because of so much intermingling with the Babylon, Palestine , Roman's, that the modern Jew is not a good baseline. If is easy to see that today’s world Jewish population does not contain all of the genetic data present in pre-dispersion Israel.
@vp3970 I know that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.
What does “ AI audio reenactment” mean?
Why can’t you just use the real audio?
The real audio was not available. Their words were only available through news articles that wrote them down. I used A.I. to reenact their own lies in their own voice, as if the listener were there to hear it.
Sounds like a software was used that is supposed to sound like Oaks and Ballard to produce those "recordings". The voice sounds slightly off in a way, too perfect, there's not enough dramatics in the speech, sounds like a robot, the pacing and tone is weird. They're fake.
I literally labeled them as A.I. reproductions. The words are genuine, but the "recording" is acted out by an A.I. impersonating the speaker.
My personal all-time favorite was Gene R. Cook's (First Quorum of the Seventy) elaborate speech at Ricks College, wherein he went on and on about his religious discussion with Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones during an airplane ride. Anyone with the functional intelligence / awareness of the second grader would automatically know that Mick Jagger never traveled as a passenger on regular commercial flights (let alone flying "coach"), never traveled alone (and in fact without the band and other band-related entourage), and was far too aware to get caught up in a deep personal religious discussion with some sap he'd barely met on an airplane. Anyone who would believe that one would surely think we should build statues of the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny right next to statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
@@smoothscales9193 And maybe you ought to spend some time exploring a realm known as REALITY. It might be a shocking experience, but that's the way progress works.
MayB the old ugly guy looked like Mike elder Cook should have asked him to sing a few bar of, Sympathy for Devil to make sure.
Tbh I doubt that any general authorities even ever traveled coach since they seem to get the best of everything. So Elder Cook probably never traveled coach either.
And the statues of ol' Joe and Bring em young
What I don't get is all these leaders from Bishop, stake president, mission president, area seventy, seventy, twelve Apostles, do they really believe lds church is true or they know it's just a corporation doing business under religion
I'm sure that the majority sincerely believe that the church is true. Everyone born in the church starts out that way, and not everyone is willing to entertain the possibility that they might be wrong.
We live in a world where material things matter most. MONEY is one of those things. If there was no money then what the Church do?🤔 All Churches need money to print literature, feed the huge hunger, etc
Yep, your video makes a lot of points. Just think about it: the Pharisees can even find out problems from Jesus himself so just go ahead enjoy your echo chamber. Have a great day!
Dis the Pharisees catch Jesus lying to his followers? I don't see the comparison otherwise.
Is this video really all true?
Yes. If you have any specific points you would like sources for, I would be happy to provide them.