Ex-Mormon Answers Questions About Mormonism
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- Answering recent questions I've gotten about the Mormon Church. Let me know if you have more questions in the comments!
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"If you want to get to the SUPER celestial heaven, you're gonna have to move to a higher subscription level..."
You understand;)
Exactly! The word "mormon" is actually short for "MORe MONey", meaning that you have to keep paying and paying and paying. Only when you get to a high enough level do they call you in for your "second anointing".
I don't know how I didn't realize I was a part of a cult. When it's all laid out like this it's just so obvious 😅
Such a weird feeling, right??
@@geoffreypalmer2661 you want to seriously argue that if the prophet told members to commit suicide, they wouldn’t do it? Not all would, but I guarantee you some would.
With the cost of living, no one in their right mind is having ten kids. Just breathing is 10¢ a minute.
Lots of people not in their right mind. If they don't have enough money, they might get on welfare, or get help from the church. The "Fast Offering" money can help poor families. Tithing isn't the only money the church demands of members.
I was a temple worker. Sure, LDS people can rebaptize you and you can reject it. I was told I would "accept again the gospel" after I died. Hard pass. But they can do what they will do. On the 2nd anointing, I now offer the higher 3rd anointing and discounts on aluminum siding. Act before midnight tonight.
😅
The Mormon Stories episodes you want to check out on the Second Anointing will be on Tom Phillips and Hans Mattsen (Swedish Rescue). John recently announced that they plan to have a follow up interview with Phillips in the near future.
Radio Free Mormon did an episode where he got a document, provided by a Mormon offshoot, which he believes is the actual ceremony used.
One other thing - TSCC always performs the Second Anointing ceremony in the Temple on a Sunday, when nobody else is around. And they send out a General Authority to perform the ceremony. The recipient is always recommended by another Second Anointing recipient.
“Heaveniest Heaven..” cause my to audibly laugh and then snort!
Brother Jake refers to it as "Super VIP Heaven". lol.
My parents went weekly for "date night " as a kid when they said they were doing g sealings. I thought it was ceilings. Now that I have been through myself, I can't believe they count that as date night.
Worked for a painting company that was hired to do work in the temple. They generally hire companies owned/run by members where possible. Non members were allowed in to do work, but since I was just off my mission, they had me do the stuff in the endowment rooms.
Funny story I might add tho… one of my tasks was to seal off the cracks of the doors from the inside so no paint got in while they sprayed the hallways. So after sealing myself in with nothing to do until they finished, I watched the Deadpool movie in the celestial room on my phone, and then afterwards started watching my first Mormon stories episode when I looked up how endowments even started. Still TBM at that time but always had issues with the endowment. I thought I was so rebellious. But my favorite part looking back is that because I didn’t have headphones: the voices of Ryan Reynolds and John Delin have both echoed in the walls of the Las Vegas celestial room 😂
I like when you "talk forever" on these. Just sayin. When I was in the Church I felt like I never had a moment to breathe because they keep you insaaaaanely busy doing all of the things. I was also constantly stressed out because doing all of the things was just what you were supposed to do, not like winning any favor or brownie points or racking up gold stars. It reminded me of how as a kid (I was not raised in the Church), if I brought home a test that I got a 95% on, my dad was mad and would ask "what happened to the other 5%?!" but when I got 100% he just wouldn't say anything at all. Perfection was expected and required but not praised.
Yes. Never good enough. Always something to feel guilty about.
I unofficially left the church a little before my graduation in high school and maybe about a year or two at most later I went through the whole process of officially being taken off their records (which included going to my bank to get some documents notarized) so they can’t count me among their numbers on a technicality.
Like everyone there is always room for me to develop and improve in multiple ways but what I do know is I’m a stronger and overall better person out of it. (Far less judgmental of individual people and increasingly more myself out loud rather just in private)
If someone tries to baptize me again after I’m dead it will be against my wishes and before my death that will be one of the things I emphasize.
It would be like if I went behind one of my LDS loved ones backs to get them removed from from church records.
I made my choice and people better respect that in life and death.
Edit: Lol sorry for the rant
Rant away!
Mormon Stories just started a multi episode deep dive on the 2nd anointing. I think there's a level of Mormonism that exists in Utah that might not translate to other parts of the country/world. Because LDS is so dominate in the state it's easier to do all the things. Seminary class with a teacher right next door to every high school is not possible most places. Young men/women events are easier to plan if you have a huge group and it's not just you and the one family several towns over.
1:11 excom’ed members cannot be baptized by proxy except with 1st pres approval. My bro was excom’ed before he died and my parents petitioned for his rebaptism. They have to hold a disciplinary council just as if he were alive, and then a GA has to perform the baptism in the temple.
9:27 all sealing cancellations are processed through the 1st pres office. Whether living or dead.
11:32 you are allowed to go straight to the Celestial Room, but you do have to dress in the robes. And some temple workers don’t like it.
Thank you so much for all the great info!!
Doesn’t matter, God is good
If there is any such thing as an after life and anyone tries to baptize me by proxy into any religion you best believe I will be haunting the bleep out of them.
I’ve also told my grandparents on more than one occasion that the amount of disrespect this is to people who have died is beyond reprehensible.
Exmo Lex -- Unlike the Mormon church itself, willing to answer some of your uncomfortable questions . . .
FYI you can just go sit in the celestial room if it’s not busy…used to do this in Orlando temple when in btwn teaching swim lessons😂😂😂 it probably helped I was a temple worker so everyone knew me, but if I ever felt weird then I’d knock out like 5 initiatories then go sit. I still miss that temple even tho I’m out now.
I grew up in the 80s/90s and was EXTREMELY orthodox Utah Mormon. Prayer morning and night, prayer at each meal, prayer pretty much always (pray always, and don't faint) 3 hours of church on Sunday, plus meetings, plus home/visiting teaching; then gathering fast offerings. Youth/primary activities during the week. Seminary/"released time" starting in 9th grade. School took up 30 hours a week; the rest of my life revolved around what was going on at the LDS Chapel that day/evening. I've heard that in other parts of the world outside of Utah, it wasn't nearly as constant, but Brigham Young (and Joseph Smith before him) did a really good job at turning the Church into an institution that was involved in every facet of your daily life. I've heard that there are still some Mormon sects (like the FLDS) who live like that; though I've also heard that the mainstream Church is slowly becoming less so.
Exactly.
On the three kingdoms: the 1832 First Vision account includes JS’s musings on the glory of the stars, moon and sun that suggest those designations are metaphorical.
Also, think about infinite increase over the eternities in comparison with being limited in a lesser kingdom. As time progresses that difference grows and grows until the lesser kingdom approaches nothingness. Spend two minutes contemplating mankind’s inability to comprehend infinity and you’ll see where aspects of LDS beliefs about the afterlife don’t add up.
previous temple worker: if there is a marriage record, the sealing can be done, meaning if multiple people get sealed to multiple people (regardless of gender if they are dead)
I think the question was about unsealing a couple after they are both dead? I may have misheard it. Anyway, now I'm curious about that, too. Do you know if unsealing a couple after their deaths would be done or if that's a "God-will-sort-that-all-out" kind of thing?
14:49 Every activity listed here is opened & closed with a prayer, most have prayers during as well. Adding meal, morning & evening prayers, yeah, most days easily exceed 10 prayers a day. Frequent daily prayer/self-indoctrination is not exclusively an LDS thing either, it’s strange to claim otherwise.
I agree with all the sentiment... except for one thing. Indoctrination doesn't just require doing everything. Indoctrination causes one to defend their faith despite the evidence. Or, to use the "no true Scottsman" fallacy, by claiming your experience was invalid simply because it is different. Indoctrination keeps us believing regardless of the level of activity one has doctrinally or culturally adhered to.
Great job as always. Keep up the good work!
I'm a current active member of the Church and I pray 10-12 times a day, I'm a convert also. So I can confirm that 10 is prolly base minimum you should do daily.
Club Leah!!!!
I was so, SO DISAPPOINTED going to the temple. It was horrible!
Another great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've heard rumors from older people that the cult used to have a mini-service on Wednesday nights for the adults, and would have two separate services for the whole family on Sundays.
@@geoffreypalmer2661 it is a cult. If you would only open your eyes and see
Well, there ya go...Let someone else do all them there "RITUALS 😂😂😂
So outer darkness in Mormon deep doctrine isn’t hell, it’s basically nothingness. Lemme give you a TLDR on how “the atonement” works in Mormon deep doctrine. It’s made up from the bs in the Pearl of Great Price. But it goes like this: there’s 2 things that make up everything in the universe - intelligence and element. Intelligences are what make up spirits. They are also combined with element and are then able to be organized and do thing and also obey commands. That’s how “the priesthood” works and how miracles work. Water turns into wine cause it’s asked to and so on. “The atonement” basically is that everything is made up of these intelligences and that someone that was perfect suffered so much and didn’t deserve it and basically universally all of it in the universe feels bad and if he asks for mercy then for him they’ll agree to go against the law of justice or whatever that’d damn everyone for sinning. So it’s ultimately grace in the end if Jesus says you’re good and the suffering was necessary because the father would cease to be god if he wasn’t absolutely just and allowed for mercy but because of the suffering of someone perfect, everything is like okay if it means so much to you we’ll overlook this fellow and let the sins slide if you say so, thus the whole justice and mercy both being satisfied thing.
Sorry very long explanation there but here’s where it comes back to outer darkness. It’s for the worst of everyone like Satan himself and, yes, us apostates that knew better and turned away. But outer darkness is literally where you’re essentially destroyed into unorganized intelligence. Your spirit is deconstructed and you’re not even allowed to be that anymore, just unorganized intelligence. And that’s what “outer darkness” means.
Everything above is essentially what everything in the Mormon church is based on these days. Once I realized the pearl of great price was a total fraud, then everything the doctrine of the church was founded on is also BS. And that’s when I walked away.
Not a temple worker, but when I was teen I asked my dad who was about rebaptizing dead exmormons. He said the rule is that they must have been dead for at least 1 year, and if they have been dead for less than 50 years (not sure that number is right) then you must have permission of their closest living relative
One of the things that makes me the most angry as an ex-Mormon is when a Mormon will say “that’s not true!” Over an experience that was true at the time. For instance, when I was Mormon, church was three hours. I’ve had Mormons tell me I am lying since church in only two hours. When I was Mormon, God was referred to almost exclusively as Heavenly Father. Now they’ll say that Mormons “don’t do that!” But refuse to acknowledge that they absolutely did. When I was Mormon, it was expected you attending women’s group weekly, usually on a Wednesday toe Thursday and it was absolutely expected you pray at each meal, before bed and when you start your day. I just hate the denial of their own history, especially when it’s so recent
Real question, what happens in the temple? Why do people go so often? I get there are the rituals people have to go through. I think what is confusing to most people outside of Mormonism is that temples are a place of worship. Do people go there just to pray and worship? Or is it all task oriented “temple work”? Once you have all of your own ordinances (?) , endowments (?) is everything else for dead folk?
Can you do a video on autism and adhd in the church and how that creates woes
Or have a guest video by someone
Do the temple workers giving out the “new names” KNOW, or at least suspect, that they are lying to people? Do THEY think it’s BS?
I don’t know any former temple workers to ask.
I still hear a lot of talks about having as many children as you can. To pray about having another one.
If you went through the temple for yourself prior to any of the new covenant changes, or for the dead. Are you required to redo your endowment to get up to date on the new covenants? Also, do the dead need to have their covenants redone? Do you need your new name changed? This wouldnt be a question if the temple ceremony never changed. The purpose of the "covenant path" is to get you into the highest level of heaven. How is this possible or even fair if there were multiple covenants members made, depending on which ceremony you first went through. Also, the dead that had their covenants made via proxy but make different covenants again depending on which ceremony. Perhaps, this is another reason for building so many temples? To redo covenants so all, both living and dead are on an even playing field?
Baptism for the dead is/was a wet t shirt contest
but do we get our own planets in the highest degree of glory? And if we get our own plant do the men get a harem of baby makers to populate the planets?
That’s not Mormonism you’re thinking of.
Yes, actually! People who get to the Highest Degree of Glory in the Celestial Kingdom will become Gods, and, just like this world's God, will go on to create countless worlds and infinite babies. It is also doctrine that a Man God can be married to multiple Woman Gods, so your questions are accurate!
@@jessabeauty917 hahahaha insert I know more than you meme
So what happens to children who pass before they do the endowment or able to get sealed? Would they just not be able to go to the highest level of the celestial kingdom?
When I was in the church I was sealed to my spouse, I then had my name removed, is the sealing annulled (since you were never baptized & ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood)
I used to wish that I hadn’t been born into an LDS family so that I could die with the greatest chance to be in the highest level of the celestial kingdom. But instead I was taught what was “right and wrong” and if I chose wrong I kept setting myself up to not go to “the celestial kingdom” with my family
I wonder what happens if twin men or twin women go through the temple on the same day. Do they receive the same name or is there a special circumstance for them? lol
Nope, same name! It is just one name used for every endowment that day, living or dead. It’s just a rotating list, there is no thought put into it, definitely no “inspiration.”
The twins would probably just think “oh our names are the same because we are twins.”
I feel like they would get the same name but since they can’t say what the name is they wouldn’t know
They would never find out they have the same name if they followed the rules either. You are never supposed to share it.
I have a question:
If you can be baptized after death, and still get into one of the kingdoms, why not just drink coffee in life and be sinful and wait till you die, get baptized by proxy and just accept everything then? haha
As someone who left before I ever made it to the temple . To me it always seems like temple is a place to role play and play pretend.
And how do you not get bored of doing the same thing over and over again 😵💫
You do… you get so so so bored 😅
When I used to go to the temple, my first goal was to feel the spirit. My second goal was to not fall asleep.
Do LDS/“Mormons” consider themselves work based or no? And if no, how is it not works based given that it’s called “temple work”.
You nailed the indoctrination question.
Yes, when you are growing up in it, you are indoctrinated in that culture, don't they start teaching things in nursery and kids start that around 18 months ?
I know someone who wanted a divorce. The couple had been sealed. It took forever and to even be allowed to divorce and un-seal. She has a new husband. I never met her first husband.
Im wondering if you could do a video on autism or adhd, and the way the churchs teachings and inconsistenies just
Can stress people like me the hell out
Sorry if this is an innapropriate request
I am wondering what "Work" Mormon's do in heaven? A friend told me she knows she has work to do in heaven. I asked what work? She didn't have an answer. Then I asked her why did Jesus die on the cross for you if you have more work to do. She was stumped and never said it again to me.
I will say the Temple is closed Sunday and Monday.
Mondays too? Is that a recent thing?
@@ExmoLex We left in 2015 and any Temple I've been to was closed Monday's. 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ I just checked the one closest to me and its closed 🤷🏼♀️ no clue
Do the people who do baptism for the dead need the dead person's family's permission to do the baptism ?
No. They'll literally baptize anyone and everyone they can find records for. So much so that Jews have had to threaten lawsuits to keep from being baptized by the cult.
Technically no. But within the church, members are encouraged to research their own family line and make submissions from there. So most names are actually going to be found from living relatives.
The person that commented that they only prayed once per day and went to 2 hours of church once a week is definitely a new convert or is like 9 years old.
3 hours every week (omg they shortened it to 2 now, praise Jesus), PLUS FHE, PLUS Young Men activities (in my days that was Scouting), PLUS Mutual activities with the Young Women, PLUS 5 hours of Seminary per week, not to mention the camps that you would go to that were multiple days plus praying over every meal plus plus plus.....
I'm not going to commit the No True Scotsman fallacy here but, come on. My family didn't even do FHE and we only prayed over dinner and I still had all the other stuff going on. So yeah, there's a lot you are expected to do. I spent most of my teenage years praying.
Also, since they shortened church to 2 hours, didn't they institute a Sunday School thing on Wednesday (or during the week)? So it's not really 2 hours, they just put the extra hour on another day. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't go to church anymore for obvious reasons.
How many people do you think you did baptism by proxy for? How many years did you participate?
Downton Abbey is Mormon Heaven. This is just a comparison I made. The celestial kingdom is where the Crowley Family lives, the upper class where they just have to push money around and look fashionable. The Telestial Kingdom is where the servants live, those who toil away in their uniforms balancing spreadsheets and polishing silver for their betters one sealed off social class up. (Note: you can't go up in Mormon heaven after "the big sleep" but you can go down.) The Terrestrial kingdom is where the field workers live, slaving under the hot sun and blinding snow while living in small houses. Outer Darkness? Why that's the filthy poor and "uncivilized savages" oh and the gays.
In the era Joseph Smith was alive working in a manor house, even in America, as a prestigious occupation. OWNING a manor house was even more prestigious, if you were Lord Crowley life was heaven, remember things didn't start to sink for them until the Titanic did. What really helped me clarify my thoughts on the matter was a video essay by RUclipsr: Renegade Cut, Titled: Downton Abbey - Aristo-Trash. ruclips.net/video/0VVYoqaz74A/видео.html
"can someone be baptized for Jeffrey Dahmer?" He was mormon tho. He was baptized during the middle of his killing spree.
I thought that was Ted Bundy?
Ffs 🤦♂️
I think Jeffrey Dahmer was shortly before his execution. I don’t think Mormon though. I saw an interview with the guy that converted him and baptized him. Re: Ted Buddy-so much for the spirit of discernment.
MORMONS, THERE IS NO BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD.
Scripture is very clear in stating that this life is the only chance we get. Once we die, our fate is sealed:
HEBREWS 9:27
"It is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgement..."
There are no "second chances" after death.
AMEN
I left after 60 years.
Re baptized as a Christian now❤
Why would anyone in their right mind exchange one lie for another?
Question? If you are atheist, why the upside down cross round your neck? I should say I follow no religion and have no stock in this question but curiosity is too strong not to ask as everything does not seem to be here as it appears on the surface or you are portraying regarding your own current beliefs. The upside down cross can symbolise many things but I’d like to know why you wear it as i think you may not be totally truthful in these videos regarding your beliefs now. Are you dabbling in the occult? Please be honest because saying you believe in you…….. is a very self centric common luciferian statement
It’s a band logo
@@ExmoLex yes I get that, bands use many occult logos. You never answered the real question though. Are you dabbling in the occult?
@@Frater369nope.
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15 ) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God. God Himself warns us about this in: MATTHEW 24:23-24
"Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..."
Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God.
So Mormons and Ex-Mo, which Jesus do you believe in?
A. Your jesus of the Book of Mormon, who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B. The Jesus of the Bible, who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God.
You tell me
They jump from extreme faith to atheist because they never was converted
I've been watching these "apostates" for a while now. For people who claim to do works for god, you dump your faith awfully fast. Do all of you believe that the mormons have the only in with God. You guys leave and turn into athiests. You drop your faith like a lead balloon. I am christian, and I got REALLY ANGRY with God and the church. I wrestled with it. I changed churches. But I never became athiest. Help me understand why you jump so quickly from extreme faith to athieism.
The general reply is something like "once you see the holes in Mormonism, you can apply the same reasoning to easily see the holes in Christianity as well". And that's true as far as other churches are concerned... they are all made up. Christianity as a whole, though? I still try to be a disciple even if I am unsure about it.
Bold of you to assume we let go easily.
You didnt stay in the church long enough to have a good knowledge of our beliefs if you are dead and someone does the proxy baptism for you you can except it or reject it there are many people who die without hearing the gospel and the evangelicals believe that those who didnt hear the gospel are going to hell to burn
Well, you didn’t stay in school long enough in order to learn proper spelling, punctuation and sentence structure.
IS JESUS AND SATAN BROTHERS?
In sharp contrast to your Mormon theology, the Biblical witness is clear and convincing: Jesus is the ETERNAL CREATOR GOD (John 1; Colossians 1; Hebrews 1; Revelation 1).
Paul explicitly taught that Jesus is the CREATOR of all, including the angelic realm to which Satan belongs (Colossians 1:15-16; cf. John 1:3).
Jesus is thus Satan's Creator, not HIS spirit brother.
COLOSSIANS 1:15-16 (NKJV)
[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through HIM and for HIM..."
Who are you talking to, bro? You realize that the creator of this channel and the majority of her followers are atheist or agnostic, right? And the ones who aren't are likely mainstream Christians. Do you just see a video with the word 'Mormon' in it, get triggered, and start copy/pasting your comment all over it without actually watching the video?
Sir, this is a Wendy's
@@LongJourneys Bravo
12:00 the church has agreed publicly not to baptize ✡️🕍 but it’s known to be violated. They were taking published lists and using them.