Haven't had either one. I've had the Glengoyne 15,18, 21, 25. I agree with Mike, Glengoyne starts to shine on the older bottles. Glendronach IMO, is probably better in the younger range and certainly compatible or better than Glengoyne in the older range. Great review.
Glengoyne CS, 29% first-fill sherry casks, 16% first fill Bourbon and 55% oak refills casks (presumably bourbon casks but maybe also a few refill sherry casks) vs PX and Oloroso for GD CS. The percentages could vary between batches.
recently did a similar comparison, between Glengoyne CS batch 5 and Batch 9 with the Glendronach batch 11. Prefer the Glengoyne batch 5 with its dialed down sherry notes and more salty citrus character. Didn't really mind the age difference, whatever it is. It's CS NAS after all. Glendronach just came off as a more singular profile. Thanks guys!!
Young cask strength and affordable should give us a good example of the distillery character. I always thought the distillery would put their best foot forward, so I bought all NAS CS official bottlings I could find. I haven't seen the GD and I wouldn't pay more than $79, I hope. The Glengoyne I drink diluted with the 12 year old which is 57% water, to make it palatable. Age does have value. I'm done compromising by a low price and poor specs.
The fact that so many distilleries put out CS bottles that are nas and obviously young is stupid to me. A CS 15 is what we want and there is no reason they can't do something like that. Cheers guy's
I did a drink through of Glenfarclas 105, Glengoyne CS, GlenDronach CS, Mac Classic Cut, Arran Sherry CS, Glenlivet Nadurra, Tamdhu Batch Strength, Aberlour Abunadh, GlenAllachie 10 CS batch 5, Redbreast 12 CS, and GlenAllchie 10 and Redbreast 12 CS was close call at the top. Difficult to select one over the other as they have two different sherry profile. Then months later, I compared Bunna 12 CS against GlenDronach CS and Glenlivet Nadurrah and Bunna 12 CS killed it. In conclusion, many of these NAS sherry bombs enjoyed their glory days in the past but they really don’t have a place to stand with age stated CS sherry bombs like Bunna 12 and GlenAllachie 10 around. NAS sherry bombs just can’t compete against aged whiskies due to their sharp alcohol burn. I would never buy any of the existing Sherry NAS bottles as long as Bunna keeps pumping out it’s 12 year CS.
I understand where you're coming from. Have look at my comment, I think you might like it. I'll add a little spice to the mix though. How much better is Bunnahabhain 12 CS to the regular Bunna 12? Not much in my opinion and it's over twice the price. It tastes like the regular 12 but not watered down. The 12 CS needs some water and so we are paying a lot of money for just a little abv.
@@welshtoro3256 It’s never easy to justify price difference for that little extra experience as there is real steep diminishing return on most whiskies. Is Talisker 18 3 times better than Talisker 10? Is Bunna 18 more than 3 times better than 12? I don’t think so but you can’t never experience what you would from both 18 year olds unless you pay that multiple. I feel the same way about Bunna 12 CS. I get to experience lovely Bunna with that extra CS kick without the burn I get from other NAS sherry bombs. I have not come across any other sherry cask strength at the similar price range as Bunna 12 CS that can come close to offering the same experience. Where I am located, both Abunadh and Bunna 12 CS are priced same and I would pick Bunna 12 CS every time. Arran Sherry is cheaper but this also has young alcohol burn. It offers a different type of sherry flavor profile that almost tastes artificial (lighter and citrusy) compared to traditional sherry bombs (leans more on dark raisins) so it really belongs in separate category.
@@glen5808 I wasn't comparing the Bunna 12 with the Arran or A'bunadh because it has an age statement. However, as for comparing Talisker 10 with the 18 and the Bunna 12 and 18. I have done just that in the past. In both cases they're not three times better or even twice as good. Speaking personally, I think they're just a bit better. I pay £30 for Talisker 10 which means I can have six bottles for the price of one bottle of the 18. I'm never going to buy the 18 again. £36 for Bunna 12 and the same principle applies with the 18 (over £120), if less extreme - almost four bottles. I think the Bunna 12 CS tastes the same as the standard 12 but with more abv. That's good but costs twice the price. When you add some water to bring it down a bit it's almost the same. It is diminishing returns but the return is pretty lousy value and when you've done it once for experience there's no need to repeat, unless money is of no concern.
The A'bunadh blows them away. It has some maturity because there is actually some old stiff in it. Have a look at my comment to see where I'm coming from. Cheers
Good comparison. The 59.1% ABV looks like Batch 005. I have 006, with some date and walnut notes. Have never tried any of the Glendronach CS. Want to blend the GG 18 and CS 006 and see what happens. CHEERS!!
Hey DJ. The CS needs some taming down, so if it's the majority then I wouldn't waste the 18 but if you want to kick the 18 up a notch then a teaspoon of CS (or 2) should do the trick. I have the same problem with GF 105. Except my juice is pale like an Ardbeg so it needs all the sherry it can get from the 12 year old I have. And after these 2 bottles I don't know if I'd ever buy Glenfarclas again.
Ha, what an inspiring review. Can't say I'm surprised by how poor either of these performed. Glendronach are going down the bin as predicted and it seems Glengoyne are too. Glendronach have done away with the idea of holding on to old stock to add to their age statements and are selling it off in expensive aged single casks. What's left to sell at the bottom end and make it attractive? Answer: NAS at cask strength. Trouble is there's next to no old stuff going into those batches to hide the youth and I doubt the casks are up to very much as well. What a state of affairs. As for Glengoyne; Well, if we look at their current offer it's disappointing too. The 43% aged stuff is soooo expensive and......43%. Competition for Macallan back in the day but the 43% wont wash. So, the affordable answer is what? I know, let's take the concept of the distillery visit 'Teapot' bottle and mass market it with the same principle as Glendronach. Lower age and inferior casks but a higher abv to justify the price. Sounds like somebody else we know doesn't it? (They really are competition for Macallan.) Young sherried whisky is a tough ask unless it's backed up with some decent wood. I have said on a number of platforms that the industry has hit a quality cask crisis, especially sherry. That and the fact that these corporate take overs demand immediate growth without long term planning and lengthy cask maturation. They're not interested in the distillery in twenty years time. They can sell the company even if the warehouse isn't very interesting. When Billy Walker acquired Glendronach and Benriach he had a gazillion gallons of aged liquid gold. The next owner wont. What we're witnessing in so many great distilleries is the whisky version of asset stripping. To end on a positive note: There are two NAS cask strength Sherries that I thoroughly enjoy. A'bunadh still tastes delicious and that's because they do put old stuff in it. I'd buy that expression over the Glendronach and Glengoyne every time. The other one is Arran's Sherry Cask. Arran are just going about doing good things with the distillery unlike those reviewed. Cheers. WT
We're vibrating on the same frequency because I bought that exact GG batch about 2 or 3 years ago and cracked it open immediately to compare with the Tamdu CS batch 04 and I've never touched them since. These need to be matured for at least double the time spent in these casks for my palate. They're simply too young and not enjoyable. I've deduced that they're simply a money grab composed of extremely young distillate matured in subpar casks. All of these NAS cask strength sherry matured whiskys are a waste of time and money except for GD and Aberlour A'Bunadh. And I still won't buy the GD due to the price.
It seemed like a good decision at the time. The Wolfburn Langskip finally changed my mind. It was $90 and all it presented with was "potential" . As if you could bottle the future. Spoiler alert: you can't. You need real time in the cask. So for money grab, how much does GD CS retail for? I've never seen one. The silly port NAS is $99.
@@jackthepickledhound In my area the GD CS goes for about $110 USD and I could get a very nice single cask IB for that or slightly above that. I'm just done with young NAS bottlings that are priced at a premium.
@@SMITHFE me too. And at a time when the inflated prices are bringing back blends as a reasonable alternative. I'm out of the cult of Young CS, except maybe the Ardnamurchin....
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Haven't had either one. I've had the Glengoyne 15,18, 21, 25. I agree with Mike, Glengoyne starts to shine on the older bottles. Glendronach IMO, is probably better in the younger range and certainly compatible or better than Glengoyne in the older range. Great review.
Glengoyne CS, 29% first-fill sherry casks, 16% first fill Bourbon and 55% oak refills casks (presumably bourbon casks but maybe also a few refill sherry casks) vs PX and Oloroso for GD CS. The percentages could vary between batches.
recently did a similar comparison, between Glengoyne CS batch 5 and Batch 9 with the Glendronach batch 11. Prefer the Glengoyne batch 5 with its dialed down sherry notes and more salty citrus character. Didn't really mind the age difference, whatever it is. It's CS NAS after all. Glendronach just came off as a more singular profile. Thanks guys!!
Young cask strength and affordable should give us a good example of the distillery character.
I always thought the distillery would put their best foot forward, so I bought all NAS CS official bottlings I could find.
I haven't seen the GD and I wouldn't pay more than $79, I hope.
The Glengoyne I drink diluted with the 12 year old which is 57% water, to make it palatable.
Age does have value. I'm done compromising by a low price and poor specs.
The fact that so many distilleries put out CS bottles that are nas and obviously young is stupid to me. A CS 15 is what we want and there is no reason they can't do something like that. Cheers guy's
I did a drink through of Glenfarclas 105, Glengoyne CS, GlenDronach CS, Mac Classic Cut, Arran Sherry CS, Glenlivet Nadurra, Tamdhu Batch Strength, Aberlour Abunadh, GlenAllachie 10 CS batch 5, Redbreast 12 CS, and GlenAllchie 10 and Redbreast 12 CS was close call at the top. Difficult to select one over the other as they have two different sherry profile. Then months later, I compared Bunna 12 CS against GlenDronach CS and Glenlivet Nadurrah and Bunna 12 CS killed it. In conclusion, many of these NAS sherry bombs enjoyed their glory days in the past but they really don’t have a place to stand with age stated CS sherry bombs like Bunna 12 and GlenAllachie 10 around. NAS sherry bombs just can’t compete against aged whiskies due to their sharp alcohol burn. I would never buy any of the existing Sherry NAS bottles as long as Bunna keeps pumping out it’s 12 year CS.
I understand where you're coming from. Have look at my comment, I think you might like it. I'll add a little spice to the mix though. How much better is Bunnahabhain 12 CS to the regular Bunna 12? Not much in my opinion and it's over twice the price. It tastes like the regular 12 but not watered down. The 12 CS needs some water and so we are paying a lot of money for just a little abv.
@@welshtoro3256 It’s never easy to justify price difference for that little extra experience as there is real steep diminishing return on most whiskies. Is Talisker 18 3 times better than Talisker 10? Is Bunna 18 more than 3 times better than 12? I don’t think so but you can’t never experience what you would from both 18 year olds unless you pay that multiple. I feel the same way about Bunna 12 CS. I get to experience lovely Bunna with that extra CS kick without the burn I get from other NAS sherry bombs. I have not come across any other sherry cask strength at the similar price range as Bunna 12 CS that can come close to offering the same experience.
Where I am located, both Abunadh and Bunna 12 CS are priced same and I would pick Bunna 12 CS every time. Arran Sherry is cheaper but this also has young alcohol burn. It offers a different type of sherry flavor profile that almost tastes artificial (lighter and citrusy) compared to traditional sherry bombs (leans more on dark raisins) so it really belongs in separate category.
@@glen5808 I wasn't comparing the Bunna 12 with the Arran or A'bunadh because it has an age statement. However, as for comparing Talisker 10 with the 18 and the Bunna 12 and 18. I have done just that in the past. In both cases they're not three times better or even twice as good. Speaking personally, I think they're just a bit better. I pay £30 for Talisker 10 which means I can have six bottles for the price of one bottle of the 18. I'm never going to buy the 18 again. £36 for Bunna 12 and the same principle applies with the 18 (over £120), if less extreme - almost four bottles. I think the Bunna 12 CS tastes the same as the standard 12 but with more abv. That's good but costs twice the price. When you add some water to bring it down a bit it's almost the same.
It is diminishing returns but the return is pretty lousy value and when you've done it once for experience there's no need to repeat, unless money is of no concern.
Tamdhu CS is very good sherried NAS stuff
Neither of these whiskies are Speyside!!
*highlands, my mistake. Sometimes these for me to think of these heavily sherried influence not peated whiskies as, Speyside. Bad habit
GlenDronach is hit or miss for me, but I have never been able to connect with Glengoyne. Would like to see how these would do against Aberlour.
Glengoyne needs to be older for my to really enjoy them. GD, I’ve have excellent whiskies at 15 years and the single casks, 11.
The A'bunadh blows them away. It has some maturity because there is actually some old stiff in it. Have a look at my comment to see where I'm coming from. Cheers
I don't buy nas sherried scotch because it needs age to get good, usually at 15 plus years. Cheers boys.
Macallan cask strength wasn’t bad, back i the day but today? You’re probably right.
Good comparison. The 59.1% ABV looks like Batch 005. I have 006, with some date and walnut notes. Have never tried any of the Glendronach CS. Want to blend the GG 18 and CS 006 and see what happens. CHEERS!!
Hey DJ. The CS needs some taming down, so if it's the majority then I wouldn't waste the 18 but if you want to kick the 18 up a notch then a teaspoon of CS (or 2) should do the trick.
I have the same problem with GF 105. Except my juice is pale like an Ardbeg so it needs all the sherry it can get from the 12 year old I have. And after these 2 bottles I don't know if I'd ever buy Glenfarclas again.
@@jackthepickledhound Thanks for your comments. Wanted to start small with the CS so I can move up slowly.
Ha, what an inspiring review. Can't say I'm surprised by how poor either of these performed. Glendronach are going down the bin as predicted and it seems Glengoyne are too. Glendronach have done away with the idea of holding on to old stock to add to their age statements and are selling it off in expensive aged single casks. What's left to sell at the bottom end and make it attractive? Answer: NAS at cask strength. Trouble is there's next to no old stuff going into those batches to hide the youth and I doubt the casks are up to very much as well. What a state of affairs.
As for Glengoyne; Well, if we look at their current offer it's disappointing too. The 43% aged stuff is soooo expensive and......43%. Competition for Macallan back in the day but the 43% wont wash. So, the affordable answer is what? I know, let's take the concept of the distillery visit 'Teapot' bottle and mass market it with the same principle as Glendronach. Lower age and inferior casks but a higher abv to justify the price. Sounds like somebody else we know doesn't it? (They really are competition for Macallan.)
Young sherried whisky is a tough ask unless it's backed up with some decent wood. I have said on a number of platforms that the industry has hit a quality cask crisis, especially sherry. That and the fact that these corporate take overs demand immediate growth without long term planning and lengthy cask maturation. They're not interested in the distillery in twenty years time. They can sell the company even if the warehouse isn't very interesting. When Billy Walker acquired Glendronach and Benriach he had a gazillion gallons of aged liquid gold. The next owner wont. What we're witnessing in so many great distilleries is the whisky version of asset stripping.
To end on a positive note: There are two NAS cask strength Sherries that I thoroughly enjoy. A'bunadh still tastes delicious and that's because they do put old stuff in it. I'd buy that expression over the Glendronach and Glengoyne every time. The other one is Arran's Sherry Cask. Arran are just going about doing good things with the distillery unlike those reviewed. Cheers. WT
I recently picked up the GD. I agree, it was decent and decided to not get the GG based off that…glad I didn’t get both.
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Yea, neither of these are speyside…they are highland whiskies.
tomato tomato? But classic mike :)
We're vibrating on the same frequency because I bought that exact GG batch about 2 or 3 years ago and cracked it open immediately to compare with the Tamdu CS batch 04 and I've never touched them since. These need to be matured for at least double the time spent in these casks for my palate. They're simply too young and not enjoyable. I've deduced that they're simply a money grab composed of extremely young distillate matured in subpar casks. All of these NAS cask strength sherry matured whiskys are a waste of time and money except for GD and Aberlour A'Bunadh. And I still won't buy the GD due to the price.
It seemed like a good decision at the time. The Wolfburn Langskip finally changed my mind. It was $90 and all it presented with was "potential" . As if you could bottle the future. Spoiler alert: you can't. You need real time in the cask.
So for money grab, how much does GD CS retail for? I've never seen one. The silly port NAS is $99.
@@jackthepickledhound In my area the GD CS goes for about $110 USD and I could get a very nice single cask IB for that or slightly above that. I'm just done with young NAS bottlings that are priced at a premium.
@@SMITHFE me too. And at a time when the inflated prices are bringing back blends as a reasonable alternative.
I'm out of the cult of Young CS, except maybe the Ardnamurchin....