@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames you’d have to take more compulsory troops which would make the rite pointless. They’ve absolutely trashed ChogBros. Should be allowed to drop pod things in or start them in reserves if they don’t have the fast special rule. That was how it used to be and that’s how the Scars have been written in all the Heresy novels.
If it helps: I believe you pronounce Qin Xa as Chin Sha because the name seems to be mandarin in origin rather than Mongolian. Khan/Khagan you pronounce the 'Kh' more like just an 'H' rather than pronounce it because of the wonders of the glottal stop. Jaghatai = Chaghatai = baby in Mongolian.
I say Qin Xa the same way. “Xa” isn’t a letter combination that actually happens in Mandarin, but it doesn’t look like anything else. I’ve read that the Kh in Mongolian used to be pronounced as a voiced ‘k’. In modern Mongolian it’s closer to a strong ‘h’, as you said.
The Rite of Wars not allowing ANY heavy support choices is so dumb. That means the Spartan you get in the STARTER BOX they want you to buy can't even be used if you want to use a White Scars specific Rite of War. It could be used for terminators, but you would ideally want to use Keshig (and if you're doing the Keshig RoW, then obviously you want to use Keshig) but since they don't get ANY dedicated transports, that Spartan will just sit there useless.
@@taffeh for fun. Because people think sicarans are cool and want to include one. Because people don’t want to have an identical army to every white scars army. Because not everyone wants a hyper optimised curb stoping list. Lots of reasons. Take your pick.
@@taffeh cool. Glad you had fun with that. Perhaps people might just like to be able to continue using their existing collection which they’ve put time and money into without having to buy and paint up half a new army? Not everyone will want to have fun the same way as you. Removing creative agency and freedom from players isn’t good. End of.
White Scars was the faction I was most leaning towards but new to the game and the starter box is absolutely terrible for them. Maybe Alpha Legion or Raven Guard would be better to start with and still fit my playstyle.
I disagree, the starter is fine especially if you use the Recon RoW or the Sagyar Mazan RoW. The recon force wit WS rules basically means you go first. (2 dice with reroll to go first and to seize) The Sagyar is a whole box of 5+ feel no pain infantry (possibly 4+ on tacticals/despoilers depending on heart of the legion wording), you can also cheat the spartan in by making it a dedicated transport for the terminators. So the box is good just not in the traditional bikes go vroom style.
u say that maybe DA weren't so bad based on them not having to mourn traitor brothers. but if they were always traitors then nothing changed for them xD
holy shit this books are so bad... what happend to the falcon claws and the Dark Sons of Death Squad?? so what i need to download a pdf for my new book so i can play with a unit that they gave new rules for 3 months ago what a joke...
Incredibly disappointed with their rules. Reducing ChogBros to just bikes and flyers is such a terrible change. No regard for the lore or previous rules from GW whatsoever.
@@taffeh great for the people that were taking flyers. Good for you guys. Shit for anyone that was drop podding in units like HS squads or dreadnoughts or doing literally anything else and daring to be a bit creative rather than just meta chasing.
I wanna give this new edition a chance, my main army having been white scars. Now so much of my collection is redundant. This tastes like the 40k treatment fo book bloat and crap. Huge let down and disspoaintment in the scars rules
The White Scars were so fast that their special rules were reviewed first! The White Scars are my favorite legion. For the Khagan!!!!
I can't wait to model the Kahn on top of the spartan as a count as jet bike.
“Not gonna take Cataphractii in a white scars army”
Watch me!
DARK ANGELS ARE LOYAL!!!!!
Love your work Ash. Thanks so much for these reviews
started collecting mk3s and painting them yellow a month ago, but I'm getting sucked into these legion breakdowns. Awesome job!
“Maybe the Dark Angels weren’t so bad”
Brother Chaplain, it seems the interrogator we sent has done his job as sworn.
I don't think I'll ever do traitor scars but its badass that it's in the book!
So basically, the heavy support section is off limits when using the Chigorian ROW. Very sad 😢
Allies?
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames you’d have to take more compulsory troops which would make the rite pointless. They’ve absolutely trashed ChogBros. Should be allowed to drop pod things in or start them in reserves if they don’t have the fast special rule. That was how it used to be and that’s how the Scars have been written in all the Heresy novels.
Really helpful video, thank you!
I see a lot of painting white in my future.
Ash overload in my subscription feed and I am all here for it.
If it helps:
I believe you pronounce Qin Xa as Chin Sha because the name seems to be mandarin in origin rather than Mongolian.
Khan/Khagan you pronounce the 'Kh' more like just an 'H' rather than pronounce it because of the wonders of the glottal stop.
Jaghatai = Chaghatai = baby in Mongolian.
I say Qin Xa the same way. “Xa” isn’t a letter combination that actually happens in Mandarin, but it doesn’t look like anything else.
I’ve read that the Kh in Mongolian used to be pronounced as a voiced ‘k’. In modern Mongolian it’s closer to a strong ‘h’, as you said.
I’m really not sure whether to buy the stuff for a Chogorian Brotherhood or a Sagyar Mazan force! They both seem so awesome 😂
The Rite of Wars not allowing ANY heavy support choices is so dumb. That means the Spartan you get in the STARTER BOX they want you to buy can't even be used if you want to use a White Scars specific Rite of War. It could be used for terminators, but you would ideally want to use Keshig (and if you're doing the Keshig RoW, then obviously you want to use Keshig) but since they don't get ANY dedicated transports, that Spartan will just sit there useless.
Hope they don't make us wait for plastics for ages. Wouldn't be fair leaving us behind, while the other legions get everything
I'm unreasonably upset I can't take a Sicaran in a chogorian brotherhood anymore.
@@taffeh for fun. Because people think sicarans are cool and want to include one. Because people don’t want to have an identical army to every white scars army. Because not everyone wants a hyper optimised curb stoping list. Lots of reasons. Take your pick.
@@taffeh cool. Glad you had fun with that. Perhaps people might just like to be able to continue using their existing collection which they’ve put time and money into without having to buy and paint up half a new army? Not everyone will want to have fun the same way as you. Removing creative agency and freedom from players isn’t good. End of.
Use as a stand in for the Kahn on jet bike. He did go a bit wild at the siege of terra
Cataphracti Terminators in the starter box are going to have to be “counts as Tartaros”.
White Scars was the faction I was most leaning towards but new to the game and the starter box is absolutely terrible for them. Maybe Alpha Legion or Raven Guard would be better to start with and still fit my playstyle.
I disagree, the starter is fine especially if you use the Recon RoW or the Sagyar Mazan RoW. The recon force wit WS rules basically means you go first. (2 dice with reroll to go first and to seize) The Sagyar is a whole box of 5+ feel no pain infantry (possibly 4+ on tacticals/despoilers depending on heart of the legion wording), you can also cheat the spartan in by making it a dedicated transport for the terminators. So the box is good just not in the traditional bikes go vroom style.
What’s his face Khan looks like Ming the Merciless: 40K Edition.
u say that maybe DA weren't so bad based on them not having to mourn traitor brothers. but if they were always traitors then nothing changed for them xD
holy shit this books are so bad... what happend to the falcon claws and the Dark Sons of Death Squad?? so what i need to download a pdf for my new book so i can play with a unit that they gave new rules for 3 months ago what a joke...
I mean these are just core units. I expect every legion will get their own book eventually.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames so its 40k all over then need 3 pdf and 5 books to just play a game...
Incredibly disappointed with their rules. Reducing ChogBros to just bikes and flyers is such a terrible change. No regard for the lore or previous rules from GW whatsoever.
If they could take an additional fast attack slot, then it wouldn’t be too bad
@@taffeh great for the people that were taking flyers. Good for you guys. Shit for anyone that was drop podding in units like HS squads or dreadnoughts or doing literally anything else and daring to be a bit creative rather than just meta chasing.
I wanna give this new edition a chance, my main army having been white scars. Now so much of my collection is redundant. This tastes like the 40k treatment fo book bloat and crap. Huge let down and disspoaintment in the scars rules