First thing I noticed is that the born in the saddle warlord trait, you sort of glossed over, difficult terrain is ignored by Calvary, normally you treat difficult terrain as dangerous when you move onto it. With this trait you ignore difficult terrain before it becomes dangerous and most terrain you'll come across is difficult The other thing I picked up was the golden keshig don't get bonus attacks on the charge, but it does mean that you get the sergeants 2 attacks for the kontos lance Great video fellas!
Thanks mate! I think Pete had slipped in that you get 2 for the sgt I think the born in the saddle trait is good, I just think compared to heroes never die which is imo incredible it pales a bit!
Actually I'm not convinced that's how it works RaW. Difficult is treated as Dangerous by Cavalry but the trait just ignores the effects of Difficult (which is the -2 movement Cavalry were ignoring anyway as per the BrB - which seems redundant!) it then gives you a save vs Dangerous so Cavalry still make Dangerous terrain tests in Difficult (because it's Dangerous not Difficult) they just get a save against it - which is a huge nerf from the v1 rules
@@ASHRID5150 Yea very true how the Born in the Saddle is a nerf from 1.0. But in the value that in 2.0 dangerous terrain is actually "dangerous" in the game now, this 4+ save against it is actually more of value.
Hi ,top contents. Just a doubt need your help and opinion, some says Hold The Line will “disordered charge” the Golden Keshig Kontos Lance and make it unusable (ungainly). To me I still think even “disordered” it’s still a successful charge, but there’s never a confirm answer on the web . What’s your take on? Thank you :)
Hmm: Ungainly being a special rule RAW someone could argue it cant be used though they shouldn't BUT it just makes the unit completely unusable since the new FAQ allows selective Hold the Line, id also prob have a discussion with my opponent prior and agree is stupid as hell and not play it like that At events id prob write to the EO and explain how it makes the unit unusable and see if they have an event FAQ pack or something
Ye I think we’re of that opinion over this side: maybe they’re not the BEST in combat or the BEST at shooting but they’re so fast they choose the flank they want and can negate a lot of your opponents army and pick it off before rounding on the other side
Good review. Wee comment regarding charges though. Furious charge doesn't stack, so the Khan is only S9 not 10. The hold the ground charge reaction stops all charge bonuses, that includes furious charge and the golden keshig spears. So you have to set up multi-unit charges or else they're incredibly ineffective.
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it! Would deffo recommend the storm seer to get round the hold reaction there! The multi charge is a good option for it aswell but the storm seer is just such a utility!
I agree with you regarding the disordered charge negating furious. I disagree with you regarding the spears. The question is in there for the FAQ with the devs and will just have to see the outcome. A disordered charge is still a successful charge as contact is still made - it isn’t a failed charge.
Qin Xa can also bring multiple units into play not only a single one 😉 I think he is quite strong when you get the command squad to take the challenges and use Xa to precison strike the juicy other model in the unit like apothecary, vexilas....
Thanks for watching mate! Qin Xa again having a better time of the rule than the khan Ye I agree on the comm squad actually, good point! He’s a much better blender lord I think than a challenge lord
No one really seems to be discussing the issue that getting Khan into an Outflank is actually quite tricky as Outflank requires the entire unit to have it (unlike v1 where it would confer to attached characters) since Khan doesn't have Outflank. As far as I can see the only way to put him in Outflank is to either join mounted Khan to a unit of Outriders (the voidbike rules allow him to inherit Scout (and so 'technically' Outflank - your opponent may disagree.....) from them via Cavalry) or buy him a Land Raider Explorator if he's on foot (but there's no room for anyone else) as Khan can't get Scout from Chog. Bros since he's not Infantry
Good point really that it’s so hard when you’d really think that’d be his thing, I suppose it’s because of his massive charge range if he’s on a bike rules wise Ed from sector wargaming has played him at a whw event I believe outflanking so he’s the man to wax lyrical on that topic I think!
hey mate! Ive got a patreon discord for the channel (which pete is also on to shoot him some Qs) or drop me a message on fb (pete also hangs about in the White scars main group so you may catch him on there!
I dunno mate, I dont think theyre absolutely top tier without the khan, but the movement they have, Initiative for Golden keshig etc I think theyre in a really good place!
Me and Pete thought this too, but I’ve played him twice now, and filmed 2 other games, and he’s played 10+ now and we actually think they’re in a really good place Maybe give em another shot if you have the heart for it mate!
Sagyar Mazan sounds really toxic. You're encouraged to bring nothing but infantry, and your opponent can't score Slay the warlord or any points at all really in 2/6 missions. Is there even a point to play the game if you can't score any points in any way?
@@razalfraz6618 Fair. Unless they go first and turn one charge you, or go first and kill the havoc squad. But a unit of 10 Iron Havoc's cost more than 5 Volkite bikes, which will generally kill the majority of the Havoc's before they shoot. Equivalent points of each would be favourable for the Scars, not the Havoc's.
@@razalfraz6618 apples and pears that really isn't it ? The fact they are so quick and the fact they have such a strong favour to have first turn which is sooo big in this edition is huge.
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First thing I noticed is that the born in the saddle warlord trait, you sort of glossed over, difficult terrain is ignored by Calvary, normally you treat difficult terrain as dangerous when you move onto it.
With this trait you ignore difficult terrain before it becomes dangerous and most terrain you'll come across is difficult
The other thing I picked up was the golden keshig don't get bonus attacks on the charge, but it does mean that you get the sergeants 2 attacks for the kontos lance
Great video fellas!
Thanks mate! I think Pete had slipped in that you get 2 for the sgt
I think the born in the saddle trait is good, I just think compared to heroes never die which is imo incredible it pales a bit!
@@BearfootMiniatures no stress I probably misheard
Actually I'm not convinced that's how it works RaW. Difficult is treated as Dangerous by Cavalry but the trait just ignores the effects of Difficult (which is the -2 movement Cavalry were ignoring anyway as per the BrB - which seems redundant!) it then gives you a save vs Dangerous so Cavalry still make Dangerous terrain tests in Difficult (because it's Dangerous not Difficult) they just get a save against it - which is a huge nerf from the v1 rules
@@ASHRID5150 Yea very true how the Born in the Saddle is a nerf from 1.0. But in the value that in 2.0 dangerous terrain is actually "dangerous" in the game now, this 4+ save against it is actually more of value.
Hi ,top contents.
Just a doubt need your help and opinion, some says Hold The Line will “disordered charge” the Golden Keshig Kontos Lance and make it unusable (ungainly). To me I still think even “disordered” it’s still a successful charge, but there’s never a confirm answer on the web . What’s your take on? Thank you :)
Hmm: Ungainly being a special rule RAW someone could argue it cant be used though they shouldn't BUT it just makes the unit completely unusable since the new FAQ allows selective Hold the Line, id also prob have a discussion with my opponent prior and agree is stupid as hell and not play it like that
At events id prob write to the EO and explain how it makes the unit unusable and see if they have an event FAQ pack or something
@@BearfootMiniatures thank you for the enlightening:)
The Scars sound brilliant!
Ye I think we’re of that opinion over this side: maybe they’re not the BEST in combat or the BEST at shooting but they’re so fast they choose the flank they want and can negate a lot of your opponents army and pick it off before rounding on the other side
Good review.
Wee comment regarding charges though.
Furious charge doesn't stack, so the Khan is only S9 not 10.
The hold the ground charge reaction stops all charge bonuses, that includes furious charge and the golden keshig spears. So you have to set up multi-unit charges or else they're incredibly ineffective.
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
Would deffo recommend the storm seer to get round the hold reaction there! The multi charge is a good option for it aswell but the storm seer is just such a utility!
I agree with you regarding the disordered charge negating furious. I disagree with you regarding the spears. The question is in there for the FAQ with the devs and will just have to see the outcome.
A disordered charge is still a successful charge as contact is still made - it isn’t a failed charge.
Does the +1" movement count with jump packs? I thought the movement was fixed to 12", not to become 13".
Hmm I shall check in the AM!
It does not. Wish it did though.
Qin Xa can also bring multiple units into play not only a single one 😉
I think he is quite strong when you get the command squad to take the challenges and use Xa to precison strike the juicy other model in the unit like apothecary, vexilas....
And thanks a lot for the vid 😉
Thanks for watching mate!
Qin Xa again having a better time of the rule than the khan
Ye I agree on the comm squad actually, good point! He’s a much better blender lord I think than a challenge lord
No one really seems to be discussing the issue that getting Khan into an Outflank is actually quite tricky as Outflank requires the entire unit to have it (unlike v1 where it would confer to attached characters) since Khan doesn't have Outflank.
As far as I can see the only way to put him in Outflank is to either join mounted Khan to a unit of Outriders (the voidbike rules allow him to inherit Scout (and so 'technically' Outflank - your opponent may disagree.....) from them via Cavalry) or buy him a Land Raider Explorator if he's on foot (but there's no room for anyone else) as Khan can't get Scout from Chog. Bros since he's not Infantry
Good point really that it’s so hard when you’d really think that’d be his thing, I suppose it’s because of his massive charge range if he’s on a bike rules wise
Ed from sector wargaming has played him at a whw event I believe outflanking so he’s the man to wax lyrical on that topic I think!
I'm starting a WS Chog Bros army in heresy 2.0. Would love to get some advice on how to build/play it. Do you guys have a discord?
hey mate! Ive got a patreon discord for the channel (which pete is also on to shoot him some Qs) or drop me a message on fb (pete also hangs about in the White scars main group so you may catch him on there!
WS are my absolute favourite legion but I wont be playing them in HH. Sadly they're just a bit naff.
I dunno mate, I dont think theyre absolutely top tier without the khan, but the movement they have, Initiative for Golden keshig etc I think theyre in a really good place!
They are quite strong
my white scars are on the shelf for a long while. they got completely “ducked” this edition imo
Me and Pete thought this too, but I’ve played him twice now, and filmed 2 other games, and he’s played 10+ now and we actually think they’re in a really good place
Maybe give em another shot if you have the heart for it mate!
They really didn't ....
Sagyar Mazan sounds really toxic. You're encouraged to bring nothing but infantry, and your opponent can't score Slay the warlord or any points at all really in 2/6 missions. Is there even a point to play the game if you can't score any points in any way?
Didn’t actually think of it that way! If someone leant into it ye definitely could just auto win 1:3 of the time!
Broken. Legion.
Nah super underpowered mate what you talking about! FNP primachs is a massive debuff
@@BearfootMiniatures only Primarch to get a FNP and Reroll IWND from Medicae.. brokennnnn.
@@Basskin bikes are toughness 4 wait until a 10 man iron havoc squad with las cannons rip apart your favorite minis and characters
@@razalfraz6618 Fair. Unless they go first and turn one charge you, or go first and kill the havoc squad.
But a unit of 10 Iron Havoc's cost more than 5 Volkite bikes, which will generally kill the majority of the Havoc's before they shoot.
Equivalent points of each would be favourable for the Scars, not the Havoc's.
@@razalfraz6618 apples and pears that really isn't it ? The fact they are so quick and the fact they have such a strong favour to have first turn which is sooo big in this edition is huge.