Asian Americans Debate Model Minority & Asian Hate | VICE Debates
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- What does it mean to be Asian in America? From hate crimes to the model minority myth to affirmative action, a politically divisive panel hashes out the most controversial issues facing the AAPI community today.
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00:00 Intro
01:13 The Term ‘Asian American’
08:55 Assimilation: Is it Good or Bad?
13:50 The Model Minority Myth
22:48 Stop Asian Hate
27:09 Politics
35:13 Affirmative Action & Higher Education
37:57 What Does the Future Look Like?
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Do Haitians debate please.
FO with your divisive bullshit
Funny one says we should celebrate our diversity but if white people do anything that remotely looks like any other race as a form of celebrating the other races they are accused of appropriation...
As a person I feel that those with white skin cannot win either way.
Vice you are so biased. I hope someone gets ill in your place. Yoh guys are horrible people
Congratulations on collecting a panel that consists of 90% out of touch people
Turned it off the moment your dude said that differences in payment is racism.
Vince says: “Asians are taught to work harder in school and be more respectful.” Then the two people in the front look absolutely disgusted that he would say such a thing.
because they think they have to actually put down on their own people, defend other minorities to fit in/be virtuous. Notice how it's supposed to be about Asians, but they started beating up on Vince over black lives matter.
@@rynecology Oh you’re absolutely right. I noticed that right from the jump.
They also have no clue that Asians outearn white Americans too.
@@persephonel2117 They need a boogeyman to blame their own failures on.
@@persephonel2117 that's why it's okay to lump everyone into a group when they're talking about how bad they're treated or okay to lump everyone in a group when talking about "ytppo" being evil/oppressors, but it's not okay to lump everyone in a group when talking about success/excellence
That guy in the green was killing me lol. He's nodding along to something and then pulls the most confused face the next second 🤣
Cause hes a conformist. He goes along to get along.
@@Gin81593highly agree with you on this one.
@@kentdemesa9468 we need to do what we can to break this mentality. Speak against it, show evidence, proof, statistics on toxic leftist policies like soft on crime and affirmitive action policies. As well as shos video evidence of asian hate crimes and whos really perpetuatimg those crimes since it isnt whites.
He’s sweet as hell! 🤣
@@Gin81593Quite the opposite I would say. A conformist would continue nodding along. It seems he agrees and then disagrees when he hears BS. That's called critical thinking. I don't even believe what he believes but I respect critical thinkers
Respect for Vince. To stand in a room full of people with the opposite beliefs and still stand strong is so so commendable. I say that as someone who is very very timid being a moderate/conservative (still exploring both to see which I stand more with).
Good for you!
I'm a moderatish liberal, but growing up in 80s DC, people were very respectful and had a "agree to disagree mentality" I think healthy discourse needs to be taught. It is the extreme people that make me afraid, especially after Charlottesville and Jan 6th
I honestly do not understand this praising of someone for saying their opinion in a room full of people that disagree. There's nothing brave about that, it just is
@@pcarebear1 I think there are extreme on both sides, I actually consider Antifa extremist as much as I consider KKK to be.
And you're correct, it's frightening because it's showing that were are struggling to stay cohesive and being divided up into two different schools of thought. Literally a precursor to a possible civil war or even worse based on race. Oh and let me not forget the worst possible one, an invasion because we fell apart.
@@Joshua-dc4unWe are an extremely social species. It is intimidating to oppose the majority opinion and risk being socially ostracised. I think it’s commendable that this guy stands his ground against these people.
Vice just found a winning financial formula: put an articulate and mentally well guy in a group of people that are beyond comprehension.
It's kind of unique for Vice which is known primarily as a sewer of biased woke content and ideological jibberish.
Kinda unfair for the sane guy
Take one articulate, well informed and reasonable person: (and a couple of muted more sane people) and have ten SJW lunatics scream at them.
@@BridgeportIPA They are switching tactics. They are trying to put pressure on conservatives by putting them in a room with leftists and thus basically using an Argumentum Ad Populum by portraying it as if people with sane opinions are a small minority. They fail to realize that anyone with a brain watching that will immediately be persuaded by the logical, well-put and well-articulated arguments of men like Vince.
Dude literally has become famous over night!
The purple haired girl is one of the most racist people I have seen in a really long time, I really feel bad for her having so much hate in her heart. Hope she gets the help she needs.
She's not just racist, she's unintelligent and ignorant
One of her 1st sentences was extremely racist. Imagine any white person saying "I didn't believe black people were real." Cancelled immediately... but her? She gets a laugh and everyone moves right along...
Host: so how was everyone’s breakfast today?
purple: ITS WHITE SUPREMACY THATS DIVIDING THIS COUNTRY AND WHY WOULD YOU SUGGEST ITS ANYONE BUT WHITE HOW DARE YOU. Wowwwww WOW OKAY BUT YOU WANNA ASK HOW MY BREAKFAST WAS
Agreed
@@laxattack032 leave blacks alone...we know THE WHOLE WORLD hates them just stop being fake ppl
That Vince dude is solid as a rock. He stood his ground and didn't let the whackos to trample him. Kudos
who is curl hair girl?
Heres his YT chanel
youtube.com/@VinceDaoTV
Vince is a truly intelligent person. He's attentive, respectful, doesn't try to sound smart, and he voices his opinions with simple, slow language that outlines how simple yet effective his arguments are. You quite literally can't disagree with anything he said in good faith: A child growing up in a stable household and encouraged by their parents will have a very high chance of being successful.
@@novagurunh5393 yazi_nay
The truth will shine out in a room full of naysayers and negative voices. Great job by Vince against indoctrinated wokesters.
I, an Indian, am as liberal as it gets: pro-choice, have colored hair, anti establishment, anti-assimilation & a feminist but I must admit the green shirt guy and purple haired girl are really annoying, and I'm sure I'd be so pissed off if I were sat there with them. There is a certain way to put forward your opinions in a debate, but disrespectful is just not one of them.
Colored hair doesn't mean liberal 😂
I am a conservative and let me just say: liberals/leftists are so bad at debating. Even if you disagree with conservatives, you can't help but tell that conservatives are pretty damn good at debating.
@@snakesghost7817you can say that about either side it depends on the person
I agree, these folks are how conservatives are made.
I would join the party of scared, of stupid, and of awful if they became the liberal voices.
lol see i’m a republican lol so it makes me mad asf hahaha ! like bro chill
The woman with the purple hair is very intelligent, articulate, well-mannered, and very ladylike. Said no one ever! 😂
You got me in the first half no lie 😅😅
LMAO you had me for a sec!
At least I love her style 😍and her personality . She’s awesome 👏 In my eyes
@@vixyvelasquez9898 Simping hard there lol
Yeah she was. Cringe
I am black AMERICAN. The asian dude in the suit is NOT wrong on a lot that he said. They were going way too hard on him. I applaud him for standing his ground.
I don't understand the looks he got when he said 'don't have kids out of wedlock' etc but don't counter it. I don't necessarily agree wedlock is the problem, but rather instability.
@@silveryfeather208 Agreed. Because there are many dysfunctional families where mom and dad are there. You're right, its the "instability" that is the issue.
good thing you dont rep most black ppl.
@@silveryfeather208 It clearly meant that as a shot at black people. He’s clearly shown how anti-black he was during the entire panel. The guy with bald head too.
@@coreymb90 Vince is not anti-black. He clearly said he thinks black lives matter and that all lives matter, yet he does not support the organization BLM. The loudest people in the panel were talking over him and accusing him of being anti-black but anyone can believe that black lives matter and not support BLM.
Imagine shaking your head at "stay in school, keep your family together, work hard"
The uneducated and the outcast have formed the radical left and is now an infectious ideology that's just brainwashing so much of the western youth.
And unfortunately that’s exactly why certain groups don’t succeed.
Sadly, that is what most liberals believe..t hat working hard, not breaking the law and keeping yoru family together is "white supremacy."
They look so disgusted lmao
@@TheSterlingArcher16 Care to elaborate?
honestly, I thought stop Asian hate was a cry for nothing until I got yelled at by a non-Asian to stop speaking Chinese in Flushing. He was so aggressive and in my face that I thought he was going to pull a gun on me. It was at night on a dark street and I was so scared. I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. For those who don’t know where Flushing is, it’s the Chinatown of NYC. All the stores and streets had Chinese writings on them.
So 23:45 when they say this is a scam, I’m just baffled. I think they’re blessed for not ever experiencing such encounters, to have aggression forced upon you for no reason. Then you have the people who get punched, who get pushed in subway systems.
I don’t think media needs to help Asians in propagating the stop Asian hate slogan, but just think twice when putting out stories that blame American failures on Asian countries. Because when this type of story gets widespread, the common people who have no means of going against actual asian countries will just turn their anger and aggression to your local Asian Americans. That’s the kind of hate that shouldn’t exist and all the unfortunate events that have happened should be weighing on the consciousness of every reporter that took part in shaping this hate.
Marion Barry former DC mayor literally went to jail for smoking crack with hookers and vowed to "do something about all the Asians and their dirty shops and replace them with African American owned businesses." They erected a statue of him and named a road after him. That's our country's capital. This after months of protesting "statues of racists." It's all virtue signalling bs.
I’m a liberal Asian American, and I could not handle the parts when the purple hair lady spoke. It was just too childish…and just so much condescending tones. It was not helpful to make a point.
He literally said that black lives do matter, then she asked him if he thinks that all lives matter and he was like "sure" cuz he's not a psychopath. And her response to that was "there it is" like she actually proved anything
He doesn’t believe In the Black Lives Matter movement what she meant by does he believe in all lives matter she was taking about the movement and I’m pretty sure so was he due to him saying he doesn’t believe in BLM.
Because ALM is a protest to a protest. The phrase BLM does not mean only Black Lives Matter, it’s just the focus point of that protest/movement. How can you support or think Black Lives Matter but support a protest to their movement and lives?🤦♂️😭
so true
That's women for you. Their ego is off the roof, thanks to federal government forcing everybody to kiss their ass. Why? Women are consumers, and majority of voters, nothing more. And the government needs constant clients to keep money flowing in circulation, to maintain and assert it's power. Because of this dynamic, women are now state property.
She proved her own stupidity
Purple haired girl and green flannel guy mentality and demeanor is a lot of people in today’s society and it’s scary. Kudos to Vince for standing his ground.
Even worse than the "woke" kids at my school lol. These guys are the pinnacle of Tiktok people
It was so unsettling the way green shirt just … had his mouth open. His facial expressions and demeanor is serial killer level narcissistic
they really lost their cool and were so no level headed at all. Makes their arguments very unconvincing.
The majority of this panel is why every University in the USA should be shutdown. This Woke infection is absolutely inaccurate and only destructive. You can tell this because they only harp one side of the thing they are against. When a black perseon shoots a black person, it's ignored. Only when a White Cop Shoots a black person do they care. If "BLM" then why not all the time? Why is it so Selective in when the outrage occurs? These Commie narratives are so weak that they have to cherry pick very specific situation to defend their absolutely garbage points.
That Purple Haired Commie is the most insufferable twit I've seen in awhile. The "I know everything and everyone else is stupid" look on her face the whole time is so telling of how her only thoughts have been embedded in her head by Woke Professors at whatever trash University she attended. VINCE CRUSHED ALL THESE WOKETARDS!
They're emotionally challenged. Children in adult bodies. They will never be successful and will likely lead miserable lives.
Using the Japanese internment camps during ww2 as an example of "assimilation" was crazy...she really thought that she dropped a bomb but it was insanely stupid.
Tbh I think people like her don't even care about facts, it's all about defending your views, even if that means using absurdity.
What about model minority?
So you think having a concentration camp is justifiable?
Making the Native Indians walk to Oklahoma is okay?
Having slaves is alright?
CA laws forbidden any White folks to do business with Chinese.
These are not bombshell but it's historic facts.
Go look at Port Aransas, Texas in the early 1980s. The KKK burned down a Vietnamese Shrimping business just to think that the Vietnamese are Japanese because Toyota and Honda are taking away their job.
The mentality of racisms in US is real and can be dark. That's reality. That's everywhere. The good thing about today is that people progress and learn the BS history that shouldn't be allowed.
Well, it was racism that put them in interment camps. And yes, those Japanese were trying to assimilate.
Shout out to the Indian dude from BK pointing out Kamal "Code Switching". I feel the same way as a black American. She only claims us when it's convenient and when she's challenged on black American politics
I agree 100% with him!!
Dear Vice
Here's an idea for a social experiment: hold the same panel with the same people in 5 year-intervals and let's see where they will be in their lives and if they're happy or content.
Dude THIS SHOULD BE A FUCKING THING.
Leftists will be in the exact same place. Whining about how the patriarchy has wronged them.
Spoiler alert: The purple haired girl and the guy in a green t-shirt will still be miserable and annoying
@@gustavotonnelli either that or HOPEFULLY they grew up and found an actual life
@VICE WE NEED THIS
Imagine getting enraged over the idea that it’s beneficial for children to grow up in a loving household where the parents stay together and instill good values.
nuclear families excludes healthy people like polyamorous people and idk who else
@@jonasdamion1627 you can say it excludes whoever you want. The facts and figures tell the truth.
Kids do way better when they have two parents at home.
@@jonasdamion1627 since when are polyamorous people considered healthy???
They are enraged at the implication that black/brown families don’t instill these values into their families too.
@@K-NEL The facts are they generally do not. That’s why crime is rampant in black and brown communities. EVERYTHING starts from the home. Fix your familial structure (lack thereof) and see how successful the community then becomes.
Anyone else notice how Vince rolled his eyes when green shirt said he identifies as he/him? Hahahah, my thoughts exactly😂😂
I did 😂
After that, I knew he was based 😂
Who cares what Vince ( Mr. Nerd ) thinks 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@vixyvelasquez9898Eww who cares about what you think🤮
Why did he rolled his eyes at that? I'm sorry I didn't understand can anyone please explain
Vince: "People don't come together, form societies, form families, form communities BECAUSE they have nothing in common. They come together and do those thing because they have SOMETHING in common."
The fact that Vince basically said a truism there, yet some of the others were shaking their heads at it, makes me really wonder what is going on in their tiny little minds.
If you go to a cafe, it's typically because you and the other customers have all gone there to buy food and/or drink. If you go to a football match, you typically expect that most of the other people who you meet there will have gone to play or watch football. If you turn up to a room where a VICE video debate is being filmed to participate in the debate expect that the other people who are in that room will also be there to be involved in the VICE video debate.
Of course, how that fact might be relevant to whether somebody self-defines as an Asian-American is a different discussion, as is how the fact might weigh into the discussion about how desirable assimilation might be, but Vince's statement about people coming together due to having something in common is clearly true.
If you’re going to put something in quotations, quoting someone, you say the quote verbatim, as it seems you added some words, that he definitely did not say
@@aaronmurillo4354
Go ahead and write the quote correctly along with the timestamp for us so that we can all check it then.
@@SandymoorFerrariClub or maybe do it right the first time? Why should I have to fully correct you when you can do it the first time? Why would you twist someone’s words so it can benefit your argument? Is it selfish? I think so. You’re what’s wrong with media, you care too much about being right than actually being factual.
@@aaronmurillo4354
You don't know where it is. That's alright, lots of people in the world are bad at finding things. You aren't alone in that.
@@SandymoorFerrariClub 9:54. It’s okay if you like to lie and spread misinformation! Just say so! Have a good day with your very room temp iq.
As an American of Mexican ancestry, I don’t need someone who looks like me, to feel represented. If we share the basic ideas and morals, I feel represented, no matter the color of the skin.
Gotta respect this comment, values matter so much more than anything else when it comes to uniting people
Same here!
@@freedomisbrightestindungeons I’m not sure that would be the case. You would be an American living in Japan. Unless you have been raised in Japanese culture and come from Japanese ethnicity. If I move to Mexico, I’d still be an American. I was born here, raised on a mix of American and Mexican culture. But I wasn’t born there. And I would never be able to lose that identity.
@@imtae5577 the way I read your statement, and of course, unsure how you actually mean for it to be presented. It sounds like you possibly missed out on an opportunity to get to know and learn from great role models. I’ve had great Hispanic, White and Black role models growing up in the inner city. I didn’t worry about the color of peoples skin to feel validated or have a sense of belonging. And it meant more to me coming from a broken home, to have people of different backgrounds and cultures actually care about me as an individual. Just because I may share a ethnic background with a certain group or individual (politician) doesn’t mean they speak for me, or have my best interests. We are not a monolithic group.
I love music! What about you? We can share our love of music! Music transcends.
The green shirt guy's head was absolutely exploding every time someone said something that he didn't agree with. Which was basically everything
he has a hair trigger..
Small pee pee vibe he gives me.
Just someone who's perpetually offended and forever a victim. Living life as him must be exhausting.
In his mind white people are forcing other races to commit violence on everyone who isn't white.
And the purple hairdo B "literally looked up the stats." Ha!
Ever race commits more violence against their own.
he thinks he got discriminated but he's a privileged kid whos daddy is an investment banker
he is trying so hard to blend into the group community that legit got discriminated
I think Vince just dressing nicely, talking his turn, and how he keeps his composure says a lot about how acceptable his points are.
I mean it doesn't, but his points are valid. If a sharp suit and good diction can convince you to side with a person's arguments then it's no wonder people get fooled by politicians.
@@d.n5287well said!
He ignores all the racism that goes on in this country.
The host, The Navy Suit guy and the Hindu guy were very respectful. Can't say the same about the Purple Hair Girl and the Green Shirt Guy.
I am liberal, Hispanic and a woman and EVEN I WOULDN’t want to be stuck in a room with Cosmo and Wanda on the left. So much hate, anger & resentment coming from those two, it’s sad.
Purple haired Elen and the green shirt 👕?
Same 😂😂😂
Cosmo and wanda😂
Nobody would, not even themselves. They need someone to yell at
Imagine being married to that chick with the purple hair.
If you’re as old as the purple haired lady and not mature enough to discuss things with people who have a different opinion than you, there’s something wrong
i wish they would actively remove the people who just make faces the whole time and scream
My question is how can you be so old yet as woke as can be. The wokest adults I know still have their traditional roots in them, but don't seem to be able to put together what is happening. This woman however is insane. I understand the youth since TikTok and such are corrupting them, but adults?! The only thing she missed was her pronouns (the Bangladeshi guy got it though).
@@bobbyiscool Self-hate and being obsessed with race i guess.
that's because she didn't get education, she's following a cultish ideologye that didn't help her to grow as a women but stay in a state of child mind.
Icing on the cake is Vince, the guy in the suit, is light years more mature than her and he is only 19
7:38 Vince’s eye roll is so me haha
I didn't see it if not for you thanks 😂😂😂
LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO
😂😂😂😂😂 yay someone noticed, I caught the sasss
These types of discussions are interesting. Vince reminds me why it is important to not stay in an echo chamber of your own opinions and be open to discussions with people you may not agree with to see another side of the same issue.
Yeah Vince rocked this.
The purple chick and green shirt were just plain awful about their conduct.
I found it interesting how shocked purple girl and green shirt were with opinions that didn't fall in line with theirs. Talk about being stuck in an echo chamber!
I love how Vince let’s everyone share their thoughts and views without interrupting them, but then has to ask if he can finish his point because he keeps getting interrupted. Normalize swallowing your pride and respecting those around you despite wether or not they share your opinion.
Mad respect to Vince.
I love Vince too
He's saying the things that they repress in those groups. So when he says them out loud it's like he is swearing.
Absolutely, you don’t have to agree with someone’s politics to show some basic respect. The way that purple hair and green shirt were carrying themselves throughout the interview was so infuriating. They never willing to truly listen and were constantly pulling faces and giving sass lmao.
Agree 💯
Piers morgan just interrupted
“My politics are rooted in love not hate” after hating on the man behind you this whole time. World has gone crazy.
They'll harass someone into unaliving themselves "with love"
"I'm on the side of love, now get against the wall".
Reminds me of everyone who is super happy about Andrew Tate going to jail, talking about how he needs to burn in prison, all while saying they hate him because he lacks compassion and empathy for their fellow humans. Yeah right
@Compos Mentis let me tell you, those of us 25-30 went to school in a time before it was illegal to tell someone to self delete bear witness... and you know who ran that line? Not the athletes, less fortunate, party people, wallflowers, preps, or academic types.
It was the theater kids, degens, lgbtq club, and anime club that would say that unironically to people, before everyone said it 3 times a day.
Twitter users in a nutshell.
Vince was speaking so many facts
but some of his points were tone deaf
The blue suit guy, Taiwanese lady and the bald guy are mature.
As a non-american watching you all be this obsessed with identities is mind blowing. How about personality, interests that sort of thing. America is getting more and more mental
America only cares about racism because racism is a big part of America’s fabric. Trust me, we don’t want to deal with racism any more than the next person, but we can’t choose to ignore something that exists. That’s like a cancer patient saying “I deny my cancer exists!” and proceeding to die of cancer regardless
Speaking as an American. You have no idea.
America is the most diverse country, so of course they create racial communities (hell, every type of community is in America) just because they are struggling to connect with other races. The media its making it worse with so much talk of divide, however you can see it in small scale in other countries. Latin America has a big arab population, as well as big Jewish populations in some countries and though they socialize with everybody, there is indeed a sense of community of because they (usually) prefer to marry within their race, or keep customs that might clash with others. Time will surely fix this as people become more nationalist instead of racial, however with the media like this we are like 100 years behind on this
I wanna add, as a non American, all americans are the same to me because they act american lol. The USA is so big that they never leave the country so they dont realize that whatever race they are, americans act a certain way and everybody can identify it
@@hedgehoge90 just in the inverse as someone who's been to like 60 countries and is a lifelong New Yorker. Everyone acts a certain way, depending on where they're from and their culture. The reason I point out that I'm a New Yorker is because I probably see more races and ethnicities in six city blocks than you do in your entire country. Non-homogeneous societies are more difficult than homogeneous ones.
20:21 “It is white people, I literally looked up statistics”. Telling us she didn’t look up the statistics by telling us she did.
She's lying so bad
@@lovablevietboy her dishonesty is baffling
Yeah wasn't white people 3% and black people were 96%? The extra 1% was other
Punch them in the face is white people's fault you ignore them it's white people's fault I guess we're supposed to take a knee and bow for them to be happy
Her Tik Tok content is really racist and obnoxious. She's human garbage.
I agree with parts of many arguments. Remember to be respectful and not just fit into a single mindset. You can agree with parts of both sides.
i think the moderation from the questioner was excellent is this episode and really promoted a good conversation, he didn't step in on the tough topics between people however he made a strong attempt to keep the conversation on topic as well as to get more people involved in the conversation
That's. Lie this whole segment was 3 hours and a lot of it was kind of specially when Vince started to speak and even the moderator like 2 to 3 times as a straight-up arguing against Vincent he even said well whose side are you on aren't you the moderator? Check out his Livestream on the topic this video was meant to be way longer
When people start to mock, laugh, and make stupid faces instead of actually debating, you know they’re losing.
Except for Vince's eyeroll, that was warranted.
I think it is more representative of how their identity is wrapped up in a one-dimensional view of the world and one that does not contain a healthy dose of self-doubt, humility and teachability. This is because the values we are propagating in much of the public sphere to our young kids and now young adults are, as a version of humanism, overly emphasizing the importance of self-esteem and further a self-esteem rooted in superficial things...like winning an argument through dominance rather than kindness as a form of persuasiveness and brutality rather than gentleness.
@@Jagar_Tharn that's a subtle reaction they were jumping in thier seats whenever he spoke anything
@@immanuel90 That is correct.
@@LoveForBluebirds you said so many smart things I screenshot your comment to study
Jeez. Purple hair girl is everything I have wrong with society. She is a person who simply asks one question like "so you're right-wing?", gets the answer "yes" and then nods her head thinking she now knows everything she needs to know about this person. She has, at that moment, written this person off as somebody to disagree with and you can see it on her face.
She did it twice lol.
First time was 'have you ever said all lives matter?', Then goes off and nods to herself like she got a criminal to confess murder.
Yeah, that's what closed minded bigots do. She's as much a air head as she is a complete POS.
@Lachie Yes! That was super disturbing to me....she did a whole round of applause for Ziad next to her when he spoke about white supremacy, but when Vince said that all lives do matter, she wrote him off and turned around in her seat to prove it. 🙄 She should have just said "people with white skin do not matter or at least not as much as people who have more melatonin." Really disturbing how someone can think that way...why wouldn't ALL lives matter?
She takes huge leaps in logic too like who would say internment camps are a good thing? Girl-
It’s called a narcissist
The guy innthe green shirt keeps clutching his pearls every time Vince says something 😂
It was nice to see / hear some adults on the panel discuss these topics in a mature, civil & logical way.
Good that you put "some."
So when that black/Asian girl said "where is the support for Kamila Harris from the Asian community?" She was basically saying people should support politicians based on race. How is that no longer a red flag???
Could you imagine if people said they support politicians because they're white?!
Vice did this to try to push its woke agenda but it just exposes how weak and moronic the wokies are 😂
Excellent point
I dont care what race you are, no one should support Kamala Harris lmao, judge people on their character and intellect not by anything else. Kinda weird how it’s “I’m gonna support this person because they look like me or are the same race as me” and not “this person has good values and beliefs for me, my family, and my country and I will fight to have them represent me” or in this case do everything you can to not give this person any political power as the only influence they had in politics was having sex with the mayor of San Francisco
@f3mcell what 💀
Vince dao has a RUclips channel
The absolute look of horror on the faces of these people when Vince says if you want to be successful, you should work and hard and don't break the law.
He’s right. It is common sense.
And the others took that as "anti black ness"
@@twilightseven
So basically they believe black people don't work hard and commit crimes. By being offended they have shown they are the racist.
@@twilightseven That really shows their racism now doesn't it?
because that's such a stupid fucking generalized blanket statement that is so wrong?????? BIPOC DO work hard and DONT break the law and STILL have disproportionate accessibility to success compared to white people
Vince hit it home with his points!
HELP THE VINCE EYEROLL WHEN ZIAD SAID HIS PRONOUNS 💀
Guy in the suit: "Work hard, don't commit crime, and don't have kids before marriage."
Two muppets in front: "How dare you!"
This 😂😂😂
Muppets!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣
Muppets😂
LMAO
They reacted the same way a Young Earth Creationist would act if you told them the earth is not 6000 years old and dinosaurs did not live along side humans.
I'll never understand how people can consider themselves "more inclusive" and yet as soon as they realise someone has different views, they instantly ostracise and gang up on that person.
Leftist ideology needs censorship in order to survive
Or saying more inclusive while making up new categories
Because they are self-righteous liars and hypocrites.
All people are "included"
But some people are more "included" than others.
It's woke mind virus
I have always considered myself as an American with Hispanic lineage. My grandmother identifies as a Panamanian immigrant with Spanish lineage who takes pride in being an American citizen. She's never thought just because she's a lady that she can't do certain things. She's never once thought to herself that she was overlooked because she's not white. The biggest issue with some of the arguments is the self alienation that was proven in the final moments of the discussion: The one dude said "i want to be that representation" and the pink haired girl said "well not all of us think like you"
Moderator was great with allowing discussion but also keeping people focused on the (very good) questions. Props my dude.
Green shirt guy Ziad is the son of the CEO of Citibank, and he's talking about how he's marginalized and disadvantaged
You mean the bank of predatory loans? Lol fk that guy x2 in that case
Shakil Ahmed. Morgan Stanley and then Citibank. It’s not even in the least bit surprising.
Isn’t he the same one running with the pathological LIAR George santos ??
No fucking way, LMAO
Daddy only gave him $100M for his checking account
Dude In the green shirt is loosing his mind! Like dude calm down and actually try to listen to what others have to say, he’s automatically coming to a conclusion that “ these people are crazy “ instead of listening and understanding another person perspective, even if they don’t agree.
No kidding. He is just all over the place and heavily emotional to apply logic in his sentences. Along with the lady in the pink sweater.
The crazy exaggerated facial expressions of green shirt and purple hair when they hear something they disagree with is hilarious. Virtue signalling its finest.
He sounds like he swallowed several books of post-modernist theory
Dude in the suit is clearly a drone and a pet. What a robot. A caricature almost.
He is an Asian Ben Shapiro Trump boy 😅 to me
I love Yu Ling. I watched her on Netflix 's "The Circle", and she was hilarious! It's great to see her in this type of setting. She is really well-spoken, intelligent, and interesting. Also, great conversation. I love these talks.
People being shocked at Vince's opinions just shows how much of a bubble these supposedly suppressed and marginalized young people live in...the whole meme about strict Asian parents exists for a reason, Asian culture kicks ass when it comes to discipline and, as you can imagine, this leads to better quality of life on average
No to have a successful culture is a bad thing and unfortunately, this ideology comes from the black community
They’re just inner city uber liberals who’ve never actually thought for their own based on the facts.
@@johnnyfive9815 the problem of the blacks is the fact that 70% of black households are single parent.
basically 70% of young blacks don't grow with a father figure 😢😢
@@starkfaktory6920Single parenthood is the single biggest factor for lack of success growing up. The crime rate in the black community started skyrocketing in step with single parenthood rates starting in the late 60s.
@@D71219ONE hmm, I think black women should start dating good men to avoid single parenthood.
Vince (the guy in the suit) was obviously very nervous but stood his ground and showed tremendous courage in the face of hostility and mockery.
Any sane person would be nervous around a pack of woke possessed hyenas.
And he's only 19!
Vice did this to try to push its woke agenda but it just exposes how weak and moronic the wokies are 😂
He’s pathetic , and who wears a suit and tie to a simple debate, he’s a douche 🤦🏻♀️🤮🤮🤮🤮
The fact that he was the only person who actually wore a suit tells a lot. That's why he will be successful.
Greenshirt constantly hearing the quiet part being said out loud is priceless
On the one hand, I don't agree with Vince's position. On the other hand Ziad and Ellen's behaviour was so incredibly annoying during that debate, while Vince was so composed and polite, that they probably did swing me slightly towards Vince's position (which is clearly the more 'republican' one).
Part of me hopes that Ziad saw some of the feedback to this video and has practised using a calmer voice and less twitchy body language, because his points weren't bad, just poorly delivered. I don't have any such hopes for Ellen, because she seemed to be dumb as a brick.
This. I think he has a very fixed notion of what being "American" is and the idea of "assimilation" essentially being to conform to the expectations of the majority, even more so if you're a minority, like you don't have a right to your own cultural heritage. A lot of what he mentioned is basically parroting the opinions of the more vocal conservatives on social media, not sure why he's getting so much praise for it. Joyce is probably the one who has the most points I agree with, but even some of her views seem kinda wishy-washy. Even if the hate crimes were politicalized, doesn't mean that they weren't statistically prevalent enough to be considered a very real issue. Systematic inequality exists and Asians are very much marginalized, there's no sense in denying that, but the way to get ahead is certainly not through affirmative action, adopting a victim mentality, expecting free hand-outs, or dismantling meritocracy which gives everyone an equal chance to succeed.
Vince just took on 3 people who were almost foaming at the mouth. Kudos
who is curl hair girl
the guy in the green shirts constant head tweaking pisses me off 😭
That’s how all of these VICE panel debates are. Whether it’s racial ones like Asian, black, Hispanic, or other ones like LGBT or feminism. It’s always 1 or 2 conservative (or just rational type voices) versus several leftists foaming at the mouth w/ their disdain for everything.
@@HawksFan5884 Couldn’t of said it better 🤣
@@Leinnn i know it may be nitpicky, but could've is "could have" or in this case couldn't have. With that said, I completely agree
Vince stayed emotionally calm the whole time. I noticed he's very shaky almost like anxiety but I'm also insanely impressed at how calculated his words are and it's direct to the point.
Heck yeah. Me just watching this is pissing me off since they all gang up on him with common liberal talking points without any substance.
My guess is he's probably been physically assaulted a few times by people of a specific political persuasion. So now he's a little more on guard while still staying true to his point of view.
@@MrHarpguitarist He’s pretty young like 19 yrs old and I think he’s new to this type of setting. Also he’s the only conservative there.
My only issue with what he said is just one key word. "They". When speaking of the asian-american group he used "they" often as if to distance himself from it.
@@kingarchlich5142 That’s what I don’t like about some of the nonwhite conservatives. Some of them try too hard and go overboard.
Vince: We are advancing scholastically to help change and innovative the world.
group: No we are victims
Vish killed his opening to Stop Asian Hate!!!!! Extremely well said.
He made up a lie that Asian hate doesn’t happen in rural America. I had guns pointed at me and my Muslim friends in rural West Virginia. Nothing more happened as our whitte friends helped out. My one Vietnamese friend married a man from rural West Virginia and her husband’s family doesn’t leave the house without guns whenever she visits as they fear for her safety.
Crimes against Asians have gone up dramatically since Coronavirus. It’s no lie.
Crimes has been on the high rise all over America since coronavirus, that’s facts.
Vince and Vish were rockstars, the lady from Taiwan was too. They were all coherent and seemed to be educated on the subject. Everyone else just raised their voice hoping that would help them win the argument lol
I can't help but notice that the only normal looking woke guy happened to be a flaming bundle of sticks.
who is curl hair girl
According to who and for which subjects? Just because they didn't express the same energy as the others did, does not mean they are well educated. I think the others were more so surprised by the way they talked about very serious things so casually. Like Joyce, who was talking about how the stop asian hate movement was a form a propaganda when we literally see asians and elderly asians getting attacked on the street because they are asian.
@@PrinceFailureofNoobsX Asian hate crimes by black people.
Vince was a rockstar. Amazing that he’s only 19 years old, he’s got a bright future ahead!
Wtf he’s 19??? I thought he had 3 kids 😭
Bro does not look 19, especially for an Asian
@@mugiwara9507 those 25% Italian genes !
@@TheChocolatBlanc they must be strong 😂
When people are smart and aren’t blinded by false ideologies, they tend to be successful.
Purple hair is UNBEARABLE
Vince for sure hit the spot on how he saw the next america.
I see a lot of people going to the right, not only from me, but tons of friends going to the right. Even my dad and he was hard democrat not the far left either, but he was set on left wing politics.
The man in blue was really complimenting everyone in the room by saying their culture/families have strong values and morals which may be a reason why statistically they do well financially etc. I know this is a broad topic but he is right, it starts at home. Having a solid foundation to build on is so important
And they tried to tear him apart for it 😅
I'm sure that Bangladeshi American guy would've had a much less oppressive life in Bangladesh I wonder why he doesn't live there
@@dingleberry4234 that bangaladeshi Muslim guy started it
Right but he has a tendency to say it as if they are the only ones when that is not the case. He doesn't know black people if that is what he thinks. Having certain values and knowing how to execute them in real life despite all of the obstacles setup in your way in order to make it to the middle and upper class are totally different things.
@@TNDCBaby The panel was comprised of asians/asian americans though. Of course this group isn't the only group that has strong values but the other groups are not the focus.
The awkward thing about wokeness defining Asian identity is that Asians in general have higher average incomes than the White subgroup. Even stranger is that the Bangladeshi individual is part of the highest-earning subgroup of Asians, who make even more than the rest of Asians.
No one needs racism and no one is denying that it exists, but the fundamental axiom that everyone white is racist is so unnuanced and inaccurate that that wokeness feels more performative than informative. With changing demographics that reflect previous generational mobility, you will see changes based on the choices people make.
Don't tell people from a young age they live in White Supremacy because they may be deterred from reaching their full potential on the assumption that everyone is racist! Deal with actual racists instead of this broad accusatory victimhood complex. Bullying is the central problem of both racism and woke hostility-don't be surprised if these categories have significant overlap.
The eye roll at 7:42 😂
It's crazy watching 9 Asians get angry because you mention how family oriented Asians are and it's probably a big reason they are the wealthiest Americans.
lol thats how far the lefty cult go
no. its a focus to education. not family oriented.
@@dr.chonki4922 no the family aspect is a huge reason why they focus on education.
@@yafetkibrom8110 this is true, no pHd? Failure.. disgrace to famiry. Cousin Johnny doctor now.. you such big dissapoint.
I bet green and purple cry watching Steven He videos.
To be able to debate multiple people at once is a skill I admire with this Vince guy. Very articulate despite being prevented from speaking.
He's like John Wick.
So true and he remains calm and makes the others look like fools
somehow he's like jordan b peterson
@@ganeshaputra2646 thats who he reminds me of
The moderator also deserves props. They would've happily shouted VInce down without the intervention.
These debates should happen in sound proof glass pods with speakers so people can't speak over eachother and have to wait their turn.
It hurts me to think of anyone hating anyone. Although I have experienced the demonic hatred from multiples races in the past even when I have shown love, I cant help but to think what if this is the worlds karma for those that have used, hated, mistreated and looked down on other races without care of their feelings & emotions but now those same racist, hatefilled, negative toxic semi narcissistic people who looked down on others are now seeing how awful it feels. The beauty of God is that he heals, love and forgives no matter what we look like, we are all his and very capable of love over hate. I pray that we all heal, love and grow in harmony ❤🌍 God bless.
Vince expressed his ideas calmly and rationally. Purp hairdo and green flannel grinch all up in arms emotionally.
green flannel grinch is a nepobaby whose investment bank daddy let him go to yale
They just rambled on a whole bunch of nothing
He wasn't calm, and went into some tangents at times. It was a great group though.
@@manme6051 Yeah because he had to defend himself from a pack of wolves.... 🙄.
@@manme6051 He was much more composed than the other two who seemed absolutely flabbergasted by the inconvenient truths he spoke.
Let's just let the fact that Vince is just19 years old sink in. Okay, they're all pretty much the same age. But Vince, at 19, thinks more maturely than all the rest of the panel would probably think when they're 46.
Very interesting conversation both in the video and in the comments. Very eye opening indeed.
I agree, VERY eye opening!
i am glad that they showed south asian as we are always forgotten as a part as the asian comunity
Thank you Joyce, Vince and Vish!!! I’m an Asian American and I’m proud to call myself an American and refuse to be a victim.
Yes, and I think there's hope for the guy in the back row-center. He was nodding his head to a lot of what Vince was saying.
@@StAndrew65 Until he opened his mouth
you can refuse to be a victim all you want till somebody walks up and makes you one. You can also stick your head in the sand and pretend there arent victims of racism Instead of defending your race against the racism, you’d rather stick your head in the sand and say little monologues like “you refuse to be a victim”.
give me a break ,society decides not you ,this society. Society in America is inherently racist. It was built on that and it is continuing..
@@briansearle6868 lol yeah
💪 you get the psychological game they're playing. If you make Asian people feel like they're less than they will be less successful 100%. That victim card makes u weak AKA a little biatch
Imagine having to deal with people that don’t let you finish your thought and just always interrupts.
Happens often when women speak irl
@@brittroobies274 *woke people
@@spilledcoffee383 I don't need a correction. What I said was correct as it was. Most men often speak over women regardless of the topic. A person's "wokeness" has nothing to do with it.
They may look 50 years old without filters but still stuck in their puberty.
@@spilledcoffee383 Not quite especially if you watch these vice panels. People of all walks of life and all different political affiliations have interrupted people talking.
I wonder how quick people will be to call a pandemic coming from a European country like Italy, “the Italian disease”. And start to worry about Italians in case they’re traveling there and coming back here with it. No matter where it comes from, we will temporarily stigmatize the people from that area. People just don’t want to get sick and die
The guy in the green shirt made the most sense in this conversation.
Vince’s opening statement was “We need to agree on a singular thing in order to have cohesion when it comes to diversity.” and there was nothing but crickets…
They don't want to. They hate America, even if they identify as an American. They swallowed the cool aid that America is evil, so they try to distance themselves from it.
They all reek of narcissism as well. They insist all of society has to assimilate to them, all while refusing to assimilate themselves.
Nah broh we need diversity yet lacks unity
@@joshuaquirante5893 ....what?
@@joshuaquirante5893 huh?
@@joshuaquirante5893 Wut?
"As long as you view yourself a victim, you will NEVER get ahead..."
- My Asian Parents
Only the weak demands equality. *keyword demands We can all be weak any point, but it is how we overcome our adversity that truly makes us strong.
@@ainako1010 Only the weak demand equality? So people who aren't viewed as equal are weak, that's your definition of weak? And the soloution is?
@@diamond4270 Have you seen that viral video of a guy with only one leg who make really awesome costumes? His name is Josh Sundquist. He takes his handicap and creates something meaningful, truly unique, and inspiring.
My point is everyone has strengths and weaknesses. However, there are those who are weak and not only expect but DEMANDS others to lower their standards to fit them.
The solution? Well, I suppose it depends on the situation.
@@ainako1010 So you saw an inspiring "oh my god look at him" video and realized that anyone can do anything? That's very Disney. When it comes to people with impaired function the conversation is very different, and not relevant to skin color & ethnicity but let's go with that example. There's a difference between your biology hindering you from doing certain things and society doing it, that's the difference. This convo is not about strengths and weaknesses, it's literally about injustice, intolerance, privilege etc. No one with impaired function demand others to lower their standards for them, they're asking for access, to be included in society and that's asking you to "lower" your standards so others can be a part of the society you're a part of? A very self centered view i must say. Only people who don't have to demand equality complain about it
@@diamond4270 The original post was ... "As long as you view yourself a victim, you will NEVER get ahead..." Do you agree with that comment?
We are all just americans, but we really aren't just americans, We are incredibly diverse human beings
Its crazy how they attacked Vince for not having a victim mentality...several of the liberals were pretty tough to listen too and way too emotional
19:46 Black Lady, "So is it the black people doing it? So we are just inherently violent?" Vince: "I didn't say anything about environmental violent!" Everyone "No one excused you of that, you are showing your bias." Kind of like they have been the whole time. Watching hypocrisy happen and them not realizing their being hypocrites is funny but sad
Then purple hair is like "it is white doing crime on asians I looked it up" I knew she was lying instantly, first time I heard about #StopAsianHate a few years ago I looked it up and was definitely not whites in top percentages of perpetrators. She's simply parroting her emotional social media echo chambers
If you read between the lines they are okay saying white people are inherently violent, but will get their people hair in a tizzy when any one else is considered a source of violence
BRUH hearing that I thought I was going crazy. That one girl literally said it and when he just tries to defend himself by using HER OWN words, HE'S the one showing bias? But SHE said it? I was lost. Like dude you don't have to agree with someone else to diplomatically allow them to speak their point.
She kept Straw Manning. So stupid.
I didn't even catch that first time around.
I remember when they picked Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state and when she was chosen, they stated she was chosen because she was the best qualified. No one cared about her race. She was a very intellectual person. When Kamala Harris was chosen, they stated we will pick a person of color/female/...etc. That makes a difference in how she is viewed
then again Condoleezza wasn't retarded
Go listen to a clip of Condoleezza Rice answering a question and compare it to Harris. There's a reason no one talks about Harris being the best qualified, because she isn't.
Where is the link to Kamala Harris being chosen?
@@BoneistJ exactly
i get the point your making but condoleezza rice wasn't exactly much better tbh, this is the same moron who said CNN shouldn't be allowed to play bin laden's speeches, which is actually counterproductive and also a violation of the 1st amendment.
They all had great points, I see both sides of the debate. I think a lot of these points can be true at the same time. For instance there probably is a lot of Asian hate but the media could be capitalizing on it by perpetuating and sensationalizing to a certain degree to benefit from.
I think it's more than fair to call yourself an American if you have citizenship etc - you don't hear people calling themselves german american or swedish american - when they could very well be 1st generations americans and their parents could have just come from Europe or even England or Australia for eg.
People definitely identify as Italian-American, Irish-American, Polish-American, etc. In fact, in major cities like NYC, they drop the "-American" and say they're Italian, Irish, Polish, Russian, etc., even if they're families have been here for a couple of generations.
Vince really showed a lot of maturity here that the other panel members were lacking
It's a sign someone is content with their lives. People who are rude to strangers usually have poor self control and other social maladjustments.
And he's only 19 years old. Parents raised him well.
Especially the 50+ pink haired woman.... she was toxic as hell.
@@elzonnepalmes7500 wtf? He's so mature. No way he's that young
Imagine being a white American, moving to India at 8 years old and being offended of people asking you where you were from based on your appearance.
It's absurd. It defies belief that anyone could be that stupid.
Maybe their just curious where you came from or your ethnicity.
heck, I moved from Brazil to Canada and people every now and again ask me where I'm from based on my accent.
Indeed, but to understand that requires something many of the left lack heavily on an individual plane - SELF REFLECTION
@@brandonkasaoka9632 and this is pretty normal thing. It's ok to be curious and asking questions. :)
22:49 Exactly! Very well said.
Wait! Is the guy on the end with the beard Former Rep. George Santos Chief of Staff? If that him, this makes the saga even more wild 😂
Vince is only 19!! He has restored some faith that I’d lost in the younger generation. Keep on educating and inspiring your peers, Vince!
Yet he seems more mature than the rest.
Wow that's surprising
No waaaaaaaay... He's 19??!! Future CEO right there
Wow he is really smart
You can tell he will have a great future ahead. Unlike those two in front.
How bizarre is it that you have people that literally define themselves by their ethnicity but when someone asks them about it, they are offended? People nowadays are really hungry for victim status. It's actually a pretty gross trait to have IMO. Vince is the only person on this panel with free thought and a giant set of balls. Kudos to you my man, you were SPOT ON.
Vince is a man that can defend his own statements. It’s not anyone’s responsibility to defend your own statements
This is because people want to define you but where you come from if your not from somewhere interesting many ppl will like not care and if u are they’ll fetishizes and its made some people uncomfortable with sharing that information
He's a fairy who spouts talking points, what do you expect?
He doesn’t need any help he has facts and moral fiber.
@@xiayu6098 The Leftists on that panel want to Scapegoat and Other an entire race.
We have seen this movie before, it has a really bad ending.
To everyone who is hating on the purple haired lady, please realize that dissing their character is not the way to go. If you believe that she was disrespectful during the debate, that’s fine, but don’t try to make that her whole personality because she actually did present points. I agree with points from many sides, and when you discredit the person and not the arguments, it makes it so you can’t hear their points. If you start discrediting the lady, you are becoming like what you believe she is doing, not listening.
Did we watch the same video? What "points" did she make?
She made no valid points, now go dye your hair back to its original color
@@jay3368 Dude, you’re exuding that hate I was just warning against. Making assumptions about someone you disagree with, categorizing them with a group you dislike. FYI I don’t support what she’s saying, I’m just saying we need to watch out so we don’t become deaf to valid points since we are hating the person.
I really don't like seeing the conservative Asians been talked over and attacked. Their point of view is as valid as everyone else on the panel.
Purple haired lady spoke with such confidence yet brought nothing to the table but emotions.
I guarantee she comes from extreme affluence because only kids who come from such backgrounds could actually see themselves as victims.
She likes to hock when she says white so she puts them in their place lol
she likely has emotional damage/trauma from being socially and romantically rejected by whites
She did a disservice to herself, her argument and the man seated next to her.
@@jamiegarcia7582 that aint a man, hes a slimy pos
I'm surprised Vice hasn't disabled the comment section yet lol. Anyways, you can see the MASSIVE difference in mannerisms and etiquette between Vince and that green-shirt guy and purple-haired girl. The green-shirt guy and purple-haired girl are like the quintessential representatives of what's wrong with people nowadays: hypocrite, rude, biased, victim mentality, conceited, condescending, feelings and opinions over facts, and so many more.
Good job Vince for standing your ground.
You forgot narcissist.
I suspect that youtube tends to show you comments that it thinks you'll agree with. I don't know that for a fact, but it is my suspicion. I have yet to see a comment that is disparaging of Vince or the bald fellow, or supportive of Miss Cluster-B (purple-haired weirdo).
I notice this on a lot of channels I post on.
@@DEmeant0r Racist too
The difference in their mannerisms is that Vince is a normal dude while the others are literally homosexual
@@hunterbidensaidslesion1356 i dont think these debates are for people on the left. I dont see many left learning people debate anyone on RUclips with such a winning steak as people in the right
I understand the hyphenated American POV. Like, Asians I've met from Canada don't say they're Asian-Canadian. They're just Canadian. You can say you're American without having to state that you're Asian if it's obvious
I completely and 100% disagree with Vince, BUT he is THE best conservative person I've ever heard speak. He is respectful, he is calm, he waits for his turn, he is based. If only all conversations could be like him. But it is really interesting how scared vince looks.