34 inch tires, 5th Gen 4Runner, 4Runner Lift Install, Ironman Lift, 34's, 4Runner Build
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2021
- Preparing a 5th Gen 4Runner for 34" tires
CHAPTERS:
Lift (Front): 1:59
Panhard Rod: 9:48
Lift (Rear): 12:23
Bump Stop Extension: 16:30
Front Dif Drop: 17:39
Extended Rear Brake Lines: 19:26
Reveal: 21:15
Excellent video! I can promise I'll be referring back to this when I go to install my lift on my 2020 TRD ORP. Thanks for taking the time to document this in such detail.
I hope it is helpful when the time comes. Have a great time with your build.
Great job on the video we just recently finished installing 35's on our 17 TRD Off-Road. It's amazing the difference the tire size makes on these things
That’s awesome, I’d love to see a pic of your beast.
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Really great job! Looking forward to going back and watching your other videos!
Thank you Tim
Lifted! Great video showcasing the steps to pull this off👍 Even though I drive a Chevy, gosh dang I love Toyotas!! 🤙-Josh
Doesn’t matter what you drive as long as you luv it 😄
@@aired-downoverland9239 I like that 😁
Great video! I'll be ordering the nitro gas stage 3 kit and installing it myself so this video helps me tremendously thanks
Very happy you found it helpful. Enjoy your build!
Looks really good, this was a great install video. I'm jealous at how clean yours looks underneath. Mine's a 2013 that's lived it's whole life here in New England, I can only imagine the horrors I'd face trying to get those UCA bolts out, lol. I'm pretty sure they're seized in there for good, I actually only plan on lifting 2 in just to avoid ever having to mess with them, haha.
Thx TR. It’s a fun and reliable toy. With yours being a 2013, it’s just entering it’s prime👍🏻
Excellent video on how to get to 34s on a 4Runner!
Thx OPN
Hands down the best suspension install vid for 4runners. Very informative with all the needed details. Thank you!
Thank you Nathan, I really appreciate the comment.
Great video and content. Sub’ed for sure! Keep this content coming, it is a great start to the channel. Also, your shop is nicely put together!
Thx. I’ve got skid plates, sliders, and dual battery vids filmed, just need edit time. The shop is a constant work in progress 👍🏻
Love the Ironman offroad Green coilovers and Rear springs the green looks good installed
I agree, I’ve always loved that color, starting back when Kawasaki started using it as their primary dirt bike color.
@@aired-downoverland9239 the green does look killer on the kawasaki's
Great walk through video
Great video your shop manners are fairly decent!!!!
Thx imzackson
I was waiting for the 34's to be installed
That video is coming... Spoiler, yes, they fit 😄👍🏻
Thanks for the video very helpful...do you have to regear your truck ?
Good video with very good production quality.
Thank you Tom!
Thank you for taking the time to document the install of the Ironman 4x4 stage 3 foam cell pro kit. We are sold! Now we just need some help installing it! Aired down overland…I’m in the Portland metro area. Maybe you could help! 2022 lunar rock TRD off road premium 4Runner :-) would make for some great content! Love the family centered nature of your channels!
Jackson’s, I honestly wish I had the time and/resources to help folks out. I have days of install time needed for items on my own rig I struggle to get to while working full time. It would be a tough driveway install, especially without the tools needed. Also note from my video that you should do a dif drop, extended rear bump stops, and extended rear brake lines at the same time. These three mods are inexpensive and fairly easy to install. Reach out with questions and I’ll do what I can to help. 👍🏻
@@aired-downoverland9239 I just did this exact install on my 4th gen. I was in the driveway with jack stands. The rear is easy, the front not so much. It helps if you have another vehicle in case you get stuck with something for sure, and a garage like yours is a huge bonus. Thanks for the video, it really helped me get mine put together.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you for the wisdom! Very nice to hear from you. Thank you for the reply..
@@aired-downoverland9239 hey there! Ok so we’ve scheduled the Ironman stage 3 lift install at there Sherwood install center/ flagship store for Jan 17, would you be so kind as to point us in the right direction for the extended brake lines, rear bump stops and the front diff drop!? Is that a 1” drop from total chaos? Thank you hope all is well with you and yours!
@@Agent_Lunicorn Yes, the 1” from Total Chaos. The brake lines are from Yotamafia and bump stops from Toytec. 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video! Pro tip, when trying to thread that top rear shock nut, ditch the mechanix gloves in favour of some nitrile ones!
That truly is a pro tip. Another is to have your son, who’s hands are much smaller, thread it 😄
I put the same springs as you but now the shock absorbers are very short, could you tell me which one to put them? that are not very expensive, I have a budget for something regular . thanks 🙏🏼
@@albertomendez1290 Alberto, all of my suspension components (springs, shocks, struts) are all from Ironman 4x4; it’s their foamcell pro line.
Great content!
Love the video! Great info. If I drive my 2021 from Seattle, will you lift mine?!! 😎
Haaa, wish I had time to help more people with the rigs. Heck, I wish I had more time to work on my rig 😄
Hello Steve, greetings from Costa Rica. Steve is there a kit like that one for a 3rd generation four Runner? Great video, thanks for your time and clear explanation.
Alberto, I’m actually not sure. Reach out to the people at drkdss.com and ask if they make one note, or plan to. 👍🏻
Just drop the sway bar out of the way. It's so much easier that way. Good video!
Thx, just not willing to do that on a daily drive…yet.
Great video, just ordered the kit for my 2021 TRD ORP. Please let me know where did you buy the other parts other than the lift kit from Ironman.
The extended brake lines are from Yota Mafia, and the extended bump stops are from Toytec. Have fun with your build!
outstanding.
Thank you Oscar 🙌
Hey Steve love your videos! Just picked up a 21 silver OFP! When lifting did the TSS radar give you any issues with faulty codes? Thanks!
No, not once. The Southern Style Offroad bumper I’m running, with the hoop, is design to NOT interfere with the sensor
Thumbs up for the video.
Thx Elliott, it’s been a game changer
Thanks for your time and effort making the video. It was pretty helpful. Wish I had this video when I had my Ironman 4x4 same sets installed last September. What is the spring rating on the front? How do you like the ride compare to the factory?
After 7 months of driving my front lost whole inch and a half of height on both side and the rear stayed at 3" and the ride quality is softened a lot. I am thinking to raise it back up now.
Gunbileg, thank you. The sorting rate for the front is their standard pre-set to achieve three inches of lift. If you’re seeing a sag in your front, or difference in right side to side, you can loosen the lock ring under the spring and use a spanner wrench to tighten it. Do it in small increments, check your height, then adjust more. I just did this on a friend Icon suspension.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you for the info. I
Very nice work thank you for sharing 👍 🇺🇲🗽 Get-R-Done 4RUNNER 👍The Vermonter
Thx Lambert, I’m having fun wrenching away
Nice video!! Thx for the info… is your front 3”? And rear 2”?
Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, 3 front and 2 rear.
Great video! Getting my installed at end of month on my
brand new 2021 TRD with KDSS and hope it solve a shake I have. Have you ever noticed a steering wobble or shake right at 60 mph on these 5th gen 4runners? Mine has it since I got it and had 2 alignments and 3 wheel balancing. One force balance. I don’t think it is the TRD rims or tires? Just changed tires too. . Shake still there. Taking to dealer next week again? 🤔 hopefully the lift will solve it?
Jason, thanks, and that’s awesome, you’ll love them. I haven’t noticed any shake with the stock tires or the new ones. With your truck being new, is it something Toyota can address? I hope you get it figured out.
Sorry, your message wasn’t fully showing when I first read it. That’s concerning but definitely something the dealer should address until it’s resolved; don’t let them of the hook 😏👍🏻
@@aired-downoverland9239 Dealer has been good so far. Lots of comments on forums with people having same issue and even a few RUclips vids on it. Could be just a bad racks me pinions from the factory idk? Thanks for the reply!
@@jasonallin298 The trd alloy rims seem to get bent really easy
Great detail. I have a 2019 TRD OR with KDSS. Any chance of showing what's involved with that?
Fredadd, thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I have no experience with KDSS. I’ve worked on many 4Runners, but none had KDSS. Ironman actually has a video for a lift on a GX460 with KDSS that I think may help you; the lift is basically the same.
Question : The front coil overs are adjustable, that's what it says, the question is can you adjust the spring height after the installation. like from 3 to 2.5" or the otherway. I have seen toytec videos where they are able to adjust the toytec front suspensions.
Yes, you can adjust in either direction.
I ordered the ironman stage 2 last week. Only options available to purchase was the 2.5” performance front coils and the 2” performance rear coils. Was wondering if this was going to level my 4runner or have a huge amount of rake in the back?
I think you’ll still have some rake as it took 3.5 in front and 2 rear to level mine. I wonder if you could tighten up the pre-load ring and lock ring before you install them to get the extra inch??? You should ask them if that would work.
Hi Steve. Great video! What front axle camber and caster angles where you able to achieve with the IM4x4 UCA’s and lift? Also, what is your rake? Thanks in advance!!
I’d have to find my final days sheet, tucked away a year ago. I have it, so if it’s easy to find, I’ll send you the stats.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you! I’m sitting at 2.5” lift in the front with about 2” rake rear to front. The alignment shop is only able to get 2.5 degrees of caster at -.5 degrees of camber. It will be good to see what you were able to get as a reference.
How is the ride quality on road / paved surfaces compared to original stock suspension? Do you feel any loss of traction in hard breaking and cornering ?
It’s excellent overall, I don’t feel like I’ve lost any on-road performance
Sorry if I missed, but for the panhard rod - necessary to do the aftermarket or use your other video for the bracket with the stock rod?
The aftermarket ones are much stronger (solid vs hollow) but not necessary unless you’re doing some hard off-roading. The correction bracket will work with the stock panhard rod.
hey, I'm a big fan of your tutorials. would you say the main things you need to fit 34s was just 3in front, 2in rear, BMC? was the backspacing clearance enough for daily driving since you didnt run spacers?
Thanks for the compliment and question Tan. To run 34’s on a daily drive, you need the 3” front (2” rear to match), the BMC, and a little bit of plastic fender liner trimming forward of the front tires. If you’re running the stock 7.5” wheels, you may not even need to trim plastic, and the backspacing will be enough. My backspacing was really tight (but still worked) because I’m running the Ironman UCA’s, and they’re really beefy. More videos coming, I just lost two full video shoots due to a corrupt memory card or camera issue.
@@aired-downoverland9239 i have those exact tires in that size, just couldn't find anyone with similar setup to learn from. Goodluck with everything, looking forward to more vids!!
@@matthewle1 Enjoy your build!
@@aired-downoverland9239 you didnt have to caster the front forward?
@@matthewle1 The UCA’s I’m running have 4 degrees of caster correction
Hi there, i see you have the kit installed for almost 8months, how is it performing. I will be receiving similar IM4X4 FCP kit next week(purchase inspired by your video). Curious to know What wheels and tires you end up getting. Thank you.
The Ironman suspension lift has been performing great overall and I’ve had zero problems. I’ve used it in just about every condition and have not been easy on it; still no issues. The wheels are Method Racing 704’s and the tires are BFG K02’s in size 285/75R17. You need a lift and body mount chop to run that size tire.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you. What is the offset on those wheels. My plan is to keep running the stock wheels and tires for sometime then upgrade. Do you think will that be an issue. Thank you for your help.
The front sway bar brackets bolts are screwed into a factory welded square nut on the INSIDE of the frame I was told? The little square nut is welded in four small corners, are they easy to break off? My mechanics told me the previous people broke off one of that welded nuts…
All I can say is I’ve been flexing, really flexing, the front end g for over a year without issue. So, my real world experience says they’re strong enjoy. Hope that helps.
I have done a few hundred installs on 4runners, and I broke one bolt off inside the weld nuts. If you are worried about it, there is an opening in the frame to spray the tips of the threads before going at it. If you do break one, you can have the frame opened up, and new weld nuts put in and then weld the opening back into the frame as a solution.
How did you not end up with KDSS lean? I lifted my 2014 trail with bilstein 5100s and 2.5 inch toytech springs in the rear and my runner looked like it was going to fall over to one side. Took the springs out and put in a 1 inch spacer in the rear and it helped but now I cannot clear 33 inch tires even with a body mount chop. I hate this truck already.
My rig does not have KDSS, so I had no issue with it leaning after the lift. Have you measured each wheel well to see where you’re low? I would start there, then make adjustments as needed. I would also measure a stock 4Runner front end to see if the 5100’s are giving you a full 2.5 lift. You should EASILY clear 33’s with a BMC.
Hi Steve! Can we please have an update on how the suspension kit is doing after 10 months? How has it held up? How’s the quality? How’s the ride? Thank you. I’m looking for the same kit for my fj!
Absolutely Dilan. Performance for the money is amazing. I run with a group primarily running Icon and there’s nothing they can do I can’t. Street manners have been great, zero complaints. I’ve had nothing break, fail, or come loose after initial shake down and re-tighten. Are there smoother, more capable suspension systems out there, certainly, but I’m not desert racing and don’t need to spend $4k-$6k to impress anyone. If you want to see it in action next to other rigs, my rig is in many videos on my brother’s channel, Overland Pacific Northwest. You won’t see them doing anything I can’t. In fact, you’ll see a video with my front end catching several feet of air on the beach. So yes, I’m still a huge Ironman fan.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you so much for the reply I’m happy to hear the kit worked out for you. Your videos were very helpful!
Very glad they helped
Hey bud! I’m rewatching this video for like the 5th time lol. What made you this particular lift kit/aftermarket suspension? Curious on your thoughts. Thanks!
I had a budget set for my entire build and didn’t have the budget to go high end fully knowing I would swap out later. I haven’t swapped out because I’ve had no issues or concerns with the current set-up.
@@aired-downoverland9239 would you recommend this kit for other 4runner owners that want to run similar set ups? Have you had to/done a rebuild the shock yet? How has it impacted your ride quality on the road? How has it impacted your ride quality off road? Do you notice a difference with the aftermarket pan hard bar and the relocation kit? Seems like you are happy with the setup just looking for a little bit more info ^_^
Happy with them on and off road. Are there better suspension set-up’s? Sure, but do most people need them? The panhard correction keeps the geometry of the rear where it should be.
I can use the adjustable sway bar end links were you get them? I have 3 inch lift in the rear on mine
I got mine from Ironman 4x4
@@aired-downoverland9239 thanks for the info bro
Should've loosed that lower control arm at the cams and disconnected the lower ball joints bolts and it would've been a breeze to reinstall the new strut.
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but what spring heights did you go with front and rear?
3” front and 2” rear
Did you have to make any adjustments to the front coilover? What were your initial measurements?
No adjustments, the Ironman coil overs provided 3” of lift.
At 12:17 you mentioned to get the vehicle aligned front and rear. But how do you align the rear solid axle?
In my case I have an adjustable track bar, so side-to-side can be adjusted to ensure the vehicle tracks straight.
@@aired-downoverland9239 panhard bar adj?
yeah, after watching this, having no helper and doing an F-150 a few years back I think I'm gonna Sub this one out.
Smart move if you have no help; safety first! Best of luck on your project.
Do you think I could fit 35 inch nitto mud grapplers on this suspension?
I think they’d fit up front with the body mount chop and high fender trim. The rear fender well is where I’m not sure. I just posted a pic on my Instagram (aired_down_overland) from the weekend, it shows the rear tire stuffed up in the fender with very little extra room…and I have extended bump stops
could’ve a 2” lift with spc’s adjustable ball joints been enough to fit the 34s? a front diff and skid plate drops will reduce ground clearance so defeating the purpose of having 34’s
A dif drop has no negative effect on ground clearance. Skid plates have minimum effect on ground clearance and will save your rig, trust me, the dents and gouges in my steel skids tell the story. With a little front of the tire fender trimming, and a body mount chop, you might fit 34’s with the SPC UCA’s.
what was your height in the back from the wheel hub to the fender ?
It was so long ago I have no idea
What do you know about the spanner to adjust the front struts? Ironman says it's proprietary, but my shop can't get one - perpetually back ordered.
Great question Dean. I’ve adjusted several sets of Icon struts, which also take a spanner. The Ironman adjustment is the same principle. I’d try calling them, or fabricating one. They are local to me, so let me know if you strike out calling them and I’ll see if I can drop in, time allowing.
@@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks but not necessary. I've been emailing with them.
you don't need the tool from Ironman to adjust the front struts, but you can use it for adjustments and servicing. Per Ironman, the struts can be adjusted without the tool, but either way you have to remove them from the vehicle.
Sir, How did you get it adjusted? did you take them out? or is it possible to do it while on the vehicle?
You can do it on the vehicle with spanner wrenches.
2in or 3 in for your front and rear suspension?
3” front, 2” rear 🙌
I have KDSS system what do you recommend for lift kit
3” front and 2” rear is a good setup 👍🏻
thank you for the video. I did the same kit install yesterday. notice a lean on the driver side, did you have the same issue.
Prashant, no I didn’t have a lean. I’d report that back to Ironman. If you’re in Oregon they may offer to adjust the low side (tighten that spring). It can be done while the struts are on the vehicle, but you need a few specialty tools.
@@aired-downoverland9239 Thank you. Unfortunately not any closer to Oregon. I do have the adjustment tool which I purchased from Ironman. After driving 10 to 15 miles, I did measure all four level ground to the fender height. Looks like Front passenger side is 2/8th higher than the Front Driver and the rear passenger side is also 2/8th higher than the rear driver. Not a visible lean. All sides are in 38 3/8th to 7/8th range. I am getting alignment done tomorrow, will see if the shop can fix any. Again thanks for your help and your video helped a lot. Only thing I did different is to remove the front sway bar. Luckily I had enough clearance in the rear to get the top of the shocks installed, used a 6mm spanner to hold the shock top and wrench the bolt on. Got that trick from the Adventure built guys.
I also see you use OEM wheels with new tires , did you use any spacers. My apologies, if I am bothering you with all these questions. Thank you sir for your time.
@@pbaireddy I only had the stock wheels on for a short period of time, then went to an 8.5 inch wide Method 703 wheel.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thank you, did you get 0 offset with 4.5 back spacing?
Great vid, but heard lifting a 4 runner causes issues with the front? How do you remedy that?
I’m not sure what issues you’re referring to? As for me and the people I wheel with, none have had issues. Let me know what specific issues you’re hearing about.
@@aired-downoverland9239 from what I hear the needle bearing are sensitive to the pressure of changing the height on the differential.
@@tBone20082 I have not experienced that, nor have those I know with 5th Gen 4Rnrs.
@@aired-downoverland9239 good to know… 👍🏼
@@tBone20082 Happy to be of any help
Did u make re gearin after 34s? If not why? Best regards.
Yes, I re-geared to 4.88’s and added a front air locker. I did run the 34’s for a year (on and off-road) before I re-geared.
Why is it that all the 4runners and Fj Cruiseers have the boxed frames and manual transfer cases, not the Tacomas??
GREAT question! I say we stage a protest at Toyota until they get smart about it. I’d love to see the Taco with those upgrades, and, a solid front axle. While we’re at Toyota, let’s get them to start adding front lockers. Are ya with me?!
Cause they are Better
Did it ruin your tss at all? I did mine and the tss is telling me it’s not working to take to the dealer.
Sorry for the delayed response, I've been out playing too much...if there's such a thing. No TSS issues for me, at all.
I just did all this on my 4th gen v8 4runner
Nothing sounds like a V8, nothing
@@aired-downoverland9239 heck no
No KDSS on this truck?
Correct, no KDSS
Hi there..good info
Do you regear your truck?
Thanks for the question Angel. Next month the truck will be regeared to 4.88’s, and an ARB air locker will be added to the front.
why do you have to replace the pan hard bar?
You certainly don’t have to. The new panhard came with the lift I purchased. When I removed the stock one and realized it was hollow, I was glad I had the new one. That said, myself and friends have Offroad 4Runners with stock panhard rods for years without issue.
I wonder how much the whole kit cost
Just check Ironman’s website for the latest price.
Does anyone know if the back of the shock touches up againts the metal on the back
Not sure I understand your question.
@@aired-downoverland9239 😂I csnt seem to explain it. After you’ve screwed the bolt up to for the shock, and you get the bottom pushed all the way in with the rubber mallet. Does it hold/push up againts the metal at the bottom of the shock?
Are you asking if the shock is under pressure, meaning it try’s to extend on its own? If that’s your question, yes
Did you have to adjust the panhard bar?
I had it checked when I had the four wheel alignment done, the required adjustment was very minimal. When I installed it I set it to the stock length.
How’s the suspension holding up?
I’ve put it through its paces, many times, without a single issue.
at 18:32 excuse me? what are they for?
That’s a front differential drop (dif drop). When you lift a 4Runner it changes the angle of the CV axles, causing them to wear quicker. The dif drop reduces the angle of the CV axle. They only cost about $150.
thank you
Please tell me where I buy the extended brake lines
You can get them from Yotamafia, they have an online store. They also make them in-house.
@@aired-downoverland9239 thanks 🙏🏼 for your help
I'm doing everything the same as you on the rear suspension, it helped a lot in your video
@@albertomendez1290 Very happy to help
@@albertomendez1290 The extended brake lines are the #1 priority. 👍🏻
There's another channel that shows lifting, spacers and/or negative offset actually makes clearance worse. Seemed a compelling argument for using factory setup with larger tires.
There are justifications for most modifications, or for remaining stock. The justifications center around your intended use for the vehicle. If you modify, or don’t modify, based on that, you won’t go wrong. 👍🏻
The torq specs would have been helpful since we can assume you knew them when you did this…
Absolutely. Research everything before I start a project to ensure I have the tools, hardware, and knowledge to get it done.
Why does he keep saying UAC? Is he not referring to the upper control arms UCA?
Yes, I’m referring to the UCA; apologies for misspeaking while trying to do the work and film simultaneously.
He's referring to ubiquitous anonymous complainers
@@aired-downoverland9239 Appreciate the reply and no problem was just making sure I was tracking. Love the content keep it coming!!!
@@at20rule I get going on a project/vid and who knows what’s going to come out of my mouth 🙌
@@claytonwilliams4273 As a retired Army guy myself I will say you sound like those military guys who always have an excuse (you know exactly what I mean) and you aren't better then any of us. OSINT ELINT HUMINT have a google dolt... 00D40
I did all of this myself..finished it in 12 hrs.lol
And yes, it was a pain in the butt..that coil overs are so heavy i have to lift it with one hand while my other is tryng to push the hub down..very very hard if you are doing it by urself
Rene, you’ve achieved legit rockstar status. That’s a full day but I bet it looks great and you’ve got a serious sense of pride. Well done!
How much did this all cost you?
I purchased my lift before prices skyrocketed for everything, so about $2k for the lift.
hello excellent Work, how much did you lift front and back?
3” front, 2” rear Luis 👍🏻
There's a lot of other easier ways to do this lift install. Nevertheless it's a good video.
Which part of the lift in particular? I’m always game to learn new ways, especially easier ways.
Please post other any easier ways, may help the users like me who are planning to install one in near future.
How’s the ride?
The overall ride on and off-road is excellent
@@aired-downoverland9239 25% off right now so I might get it because I was thinking Iron man or Old man emu
@@El_Gato718 I hear the Old Man Emu gear is pretty sweet; no first hand knowledge though.
Didn’t have 34’s on it
Not sure what you mean???
Why do so many people insist on pronouncing the silent h in panhard bar.
Tell me all about your automotive background please.
From someone who has never done suspension until recently...you made this really complicated lol. Skid plate > sway bar bracket > sway bar connector > tie rods > brake line support > UCA > coil over. Then do it backwards and torque it down.
Apologies Austin, it was not my intent to make it complicated but to help those who wanted to do the same/similar installs
No 6 pack of Vice Grips? Amateur...
Haaaa, true!
Did you have to make any adjustments to the front coilover? What were your initial measurements?
No adjustments, to the coilovers. Not sure on the measurements.
Did you have to make any adjustments to the front coilover? What were your initial measurements?
After having them for about 6 months, I adjusted them to compensate for the natural sag most new springs have.
@@aired-downoverland9239 Sir, How did you get it adjusted? did you take them out? or is it possible to do it while on the vehicle?
Just the one adjustment about six months in. Note sure on the measurements